Was he right, /tv/? Seriously though we need more HBO historical

>>82182268
If they're going to do these kinds of series, they should get the history right.

>>82183490
>spotted the yuropoor

deadwood?

The good thing about this show is that it's now retroactively pissing off all the Hamilton fangirls who still think that the US would be better off under a French-style unitary political system where states' rights and rural, agrarian folk are trampled over.

>>82182268

Historical dramas (real historical dramas about history, not lol it's in the past it's history) tend to be huge pleb repellents for some reason.

>>82183719

I think you mean Jefferson

Still, fuck Hamilton. Aaron Burr is a hero for killing his bitch ass.

>>82182268
I don't like some of the things that Adams did, the alien and sedition act for example, but he was a true patriot. Adams x Jefferson = best bros forever

>>82183719
Anybody with any knowledge of American history knows that Alexander Hamilton was the biggest cuck among the founding fathers.

>>82183947
Adams and Jefferson despised one another.

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>>82182268
>Wolf Hall
season 2 when

>>82182268
i think John Adams is the best miniseries ever

and Paul G. was outstanding.

>American "history"

Does anyone else in the world actually give a shit? At least most people can connect their history to Rome, only americans care about american history and it's only because it's all they know.

>>82184026
this is a crazy stupid post

>>82184026
America is the most powerful country in the history of the world. Culturally, militarily, economically; you name an aspect of life, America is the best of that.

Stay mad yuro/orient cuck

>>82184026
>At least most people can connect their history to Rome
No they don't, you dumbass.
Germany, the UK, and pretty much every european country past the Rhine and beyond the North Sea is entirely divorced from the Roman legacy.
The American political system was specifically modeled after the Greco-Roman political systems so if anything, the US is more 'Roman' than the UK and Germany.
And before you say it; Spain, Italy, Portugal, France, and Russia are just LARPers of Roman culture despite all their talk of 'we wuz Romans and sheeit'. They are about as Roman as modern Egyptians are just like the actual ancient Egyptians.

>only americans care about american history
Ethnocentrism is only bad when americans do it, but it's perfectly ok for other countries like Japan to do it.
Right?

>>82184203
You know what the best planet in the solar system is? Jupiter. Because it's the biggest. Earth's history is shit compared to Jupiter.

>>82184316
That's not true, many aspects of Rome live on in the world. Their system of law is the foundation of every system of law.

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>>82183719
What state rights do you have?

You don't have any agrarian folk. Only a 'Napoleonic' Federalism would have protected agriculturists anyway.

>>82182268
Boardwalk Empire and Deadwood aren't exactly historical drama but they are period pieces and quite good.

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>>82184366
We've got dramas about the Magna Carta but nothing about the Twelve Tables, desu.

>>82184373
Well, just recently, the 9th circuit of Californian judges overturned Trump's executive order to cut funding to sanctuary cities.

>>82184203
Culturally. You dont have a culture, its why you Larp as Irish and Italian.

The city of Vienna alone produced more important culture in 50 years than the US has in its existence.

>>82184461
>California
A mistake in democracy.

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>>82183913
>tfw named after Aaron Burr

>>82183719
This. Even that scene on youtube is polluted with his fangirls quoting one of the songs. I mean that's what I assume seeing like 10 comments that say "fuck you John Adams you motherfucker"

HBO is making another series about Andrew Jackson but will it be just as based? This isn't the old HBO we knew.

>>82184647
Meanwhile Hamilton threads on 4chan are polluted by /pol/tards who hate those who disagree with Hitler's POV.

You're exactly the same as those you hate and can't form an opinion of your own.

>>82184537
>he city of Vienna alone produced more important culture in 50 years than the US has in its existence.
Does Vienna have its own film industry?
This entire board exists because of American culture, not Austrian culture.
The talented and relevant austrians left austria and moved to America.

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>>82184546
>overtakes Britain as the 5th largest economy in the world
>mistake

>>82184705
Why the hell are you even on this website if you are so assmad about /pol/ and its views?

>>82184647
Jackson was the most based president of all time, he understood the danger massive banks imposed on the nation and fucking raped them into oblivion. Also fuck natives.

>>82184707
So technology is culture now?

Are you promoting arabic culture by having a post where two of their numbers are similar at the end?

>>82184766
Stupid people are everywhere, you get used to it. FYI both sides are moronic and it wouldn't be an issue if you could just stop wasting my time by parroting them.

>>82184783
>Also fuck natives.
>The weak should fear the strong
Wtf I love big banks now

>>82184848
>wasting my time
Nigga you are on a shitposting site. Every minute here is a waste of your time.

>>82184799
>technology is culture now?
Media and entertainment, you idiot. Learn the difference.

>Are you promoting arabic culture
Not an arabic invention. Learn your history before spouting ignorance.

>European education

>>82184647
I'm surprised they don't hate it because it portrayed Abigail as a strong, yet undeniably matronly and subservient woman. As we know, real strong women are about GURL POWAR

>>82184783
Those were the so-called "civilized tribes" who even took the Removal Act to the court and won.

Jackson fucked it up.

>>82185039
>Jackson fucked it up
Yeah, should have just killed them. Theyre fucking disgusting in this day and age.

>>82184923
Let me confirm that we are all too aware American confuse entertainment for culture.

Do you have a composer better than Beethoven, a playwright better than Shakespeare or a novelist better than Dostoyevsky? No, you don't.

You've got the Hamburgular.

The US does remind me of Rome but in a somewhat later period than you'd hope for.

america has no history so americans don't care about history. simple really.

>>82185212
Vienna has produced people better than them in the last 50 years?

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>>82185212
>You've got the Hamburgular.
And yet even that has been culturally appropriated

>>82184026
Pfffthaha good one anon ;))

>>82183974

they were political rivals but they became good friends later in life.

on his deathbed i think some of adams' last words were "jefferson still lives"

of course jefferson died later that day. it was july 4th too.

>>82185402

actually i was wrong jefferson died several hours earlier.

>>82182268
they've been making political films every now and then

>>82185259
No, of course not. At its cultural peak it easily did. The US is also past its peak now so its fair to close the book and take stock.

Its remarkable how little worthwhile art the American era, 1945 to 2001 really produced. You might feel from the British, the Romans, the Greeks and so on that its the duty of a great power to produce great art. I don't think the US ever got the memo.

>>82184647
>HBO is making another series about Andrew Jackson but will it be just as based? This isn't the old HBO we knew.
MUH DICK

If they do it as well as the HBO series I will fucking explode.

>>82184783
Jackson is an interesting character and an important President. Jackson changed the Executive Branch without changing the Constitution; that's impressive and important to note. The two big events of his presidency, breaking the banks and the treatment of native americans, demonstrates the mixed bag of both a powerful executive and populism.

Really hope they do the series justice.

>>82184373
>What state rights do you have?
That's not how that works.

>>82184783
>t.illegal immigrant
Teddy was the most based president of all time

>>82183719
Agreed. I think Hamilton is such obvious propaganda. My sister started getting into the songs because they would always play them at the debate tournaments she goes to. I made sure she knew all about the historical Hamilton, how much of a dick he was and that the play was propaganda. For Christ sakes, they even had members from the Obama administration consulted for this production!

Best Revolutionary was always Thomas Paine. Too bad the only time he had any influence was when they were first drafting the Pennsylvania's original revolutionary Constitution

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>>82183913
>>82183950
>Creates a national bank that stabilizes the currency
>Understands that rubes cannot be trusted with power
>Is somehow a cuck

???

>>82184647
>>82184783
>Goes against the constitution and kills a bunch of civilized Indians, setting up the modern-day problems we have with Native Americans
>Destroys America's banking system, setting up one of the worst financial crashes of all time (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1837 since I'm just going to assume you have no idea this happened if you like Jackson)

He handled the nullification crisis quite well, but otherwise he was pretty fucking shitty.

>>82182268
If you haven't seen Band of Brothers yet, stop what you're doing right now and go watch that shit

>>82182268
the taring and feathering was appropriately horrifying

>>82183947
>alien and sedition act
Goes directly against the 1st amendment. The only reason it wasn't immediately shot down was because the Federalists packed the courts with their own guys.

>>82185711
1st amendment wasn't incorporated until the 14h passed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gitlow_v._New_York

The constitution is just like, a set of guidelines you should try to follow.
It doesn't mean anything.

>>82184203
Why are americans always going on about how powerful and important their country is

Does it make you feel better?

>>82182268
Mason & Dixon mini-series when?

>>82184707
>Does Vienna have its own film industry
Yes. Its not as big as Hollywood

>>82183996
the original and best "mmhh"

>>82184923
>Not an arabic invention.
Technically Hindu invention. Point still stands

>>82184203

One of the poorest in education, one of the highest in number of incarcerated people.

>>82184203
the usa gov is best at propaganda, you people are fucking deluded

>>82185943
>poorest education, highest incarcerated people
Would you like to know why :^)

>>82185978

Oh, please, do tell.

>>82186063
Most likely related to individuals of the melaninic persuasion

>>82185488
I'm sure you're not biased and retarded in the least

>>82186063
Niggers.
I'm sure you or someone else will start screeching "go back to pol!" but the cold hard truth is that if you remove their statistics from the overall US stats, all of a sudden the country is in line with all the other white nations you are comparing it to. I wish people would address the problem instead of just trying to pretend it doesn't exist.

>>82185635
>Understands that rubes cannot be trusted with power
More like wanted a lifelong monarch and Senate appointed for life, and the national legislature gets to appoint your state governor and overrule any decision your state legislature comes up with

>>82185212
Jazz composers are the best of what we offer.
Modern American theater is shit, I agree.
We have Faulkner, Melville, and Pynchon for the literary canon.

>>82183490
Stupid euroclap

>>82185849
FUCKING THIS

>>82185819
He was literally responding to some butthurt europoor who said nobody gives a fuck about America completely unprovoked. Read the thread you moon-rune speaking mongoloid fucking faggot.

>>82186222
Do ALL americans have this weak pathetic inferiority complex about their country?

You all seem get so mad so easily at the smallest criticism. Absolutely pathetic

Can you cunts stop talking about other people and discuss based John Adams. Favourite scene?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n725zX3zIk0

>>82186262
Enjoy your failing eurozone, faggot.

>>82185489

Sean Penn is playing Andrew Jackson.

Guaran-fucking-tee its going to be nothing but "Le evil white man removes poor civilized educated native americans".

Damn shame, too. Andrew Jackson is a top-tier president.

>>82185212
>Do you have a composer better than Beethoven,
Dead medium, would be illogical to compare, but in the world of music Americans and Brits have made all of the significant contributions in the last 100 years.
>a playwright better than Shakespeare
Dead medium, but Shakespeare is overrated anyway, and we have thousands of people involved in film etc. We also have Broadway. I'm sure you'll jusr write off thousands of films and plays you've never seen though because you're a pigheaded fucking european.
>or a novelist better than Dostoyevsky?
Yes, we do.

>>82186262
>someone makes thread to talk about a great show about a great American

>LOL NO ONE GIVES A FUCK AMERISHOOT AMERISHART AMERIFAT AMERIBETES AMERICLAPS AMERIDUMB LELELELEL xD

You people act like literal children on a constant basis.

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If you want to have faggy US vs Europe threads, go to /b/, you insecure retards.

Anyway, not necessarily HBO, but the good historical dramas I've had a chance to watch (off the top of my head) are

>The Borgias
>Rome
>War & Peace
>The White Queen
>The Tudors

>>82186366
It's based on the book American Lion.
I don't know if it's biased.

>>82186501
You are so incredibly mad

>>82186164

Part of the problem is the way the system works to funnel them from school to prison, do not pass go. Not saying it isn't at least partially because of gang culture, but it's not all on them.

>>82186636
I'm not saying the entire race is irredeemable (there's a reason I said the problem is niggers and not blacks) but we're really not doing them any favors by nervously giving them a wide berth and maintaining the status quo or even worse, embracing their gang culture and celebrating it.
I don't have all of the answers to their problems, I just wish that more people would be interested in figuring out what the answers are and helping to implement them.

>>82186784

Well, half the country is saying there is no problem, why can't you accept my culture, and the other half is saying the problem is blacks in general. Meanwhile the system keeps on trucking as usual and nothing gets done.

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>Europe and the USA have far more in common than they have in difference
>Europe and the USA together are the two pillars of modern western civilisation
>Both Europe and the USA have massive glaring flaws of their own
>People still shitpost against each other because they've convinced themselves that the place they're from is some awesome superior paradise in comparison to the other

>>82187505
Some of it is just bantz, though there is a part of it that is genuine salt. Europe is destroying itself, and the UK and USA are experiencing a rebirth of national pride and independence. The more cucked members of cucked nations don't like this so they sling such mud as they can find.

It's unfortunate that for all their talk of pride in their culture they're completely willing to let it be destroyed.

>>82184012
there were reviewers who claimed Paul G was bad casting because he wasn't "heroic" enough

fucking amerilards

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>>82183913

True American Hero

>>82186266
>Let's live in peace from now on as blood brothers, Britain
>OK
>America declares war 20 years later and fails miserably invading Canada

what did they mean by this

>>82188800
>and the UK and USA are experiencing a rebirth of national pride and independence
oh.. sweetie...

>>82183490
pretty much this. Americans don't know how to do historical movies without making things up anymore.

>>82184203
America doesn't have the highest GDP Per Capita though

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can you retarded monkeys go back to /pol/ with your shit-flinging? we're trying to talk about based John Adams

>>82184026
American history past 1792 is boring af

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>>82182268

>John Adams
>President

I know him. That can't be. That’s that little guy who spoke to me.

>>82184707
>Does Vienna have its own film industry?

it does. But it doesn't have the jew money to produce shit tier movies to make bank

Everyone outside of amerishartland recognizes his based status. HBO basically packed it in after this series

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Billy Ray was the best Founding Father

Anyone else hyped up for this? Can't wait til the Aztecs get BTFO

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4209950/

>>82191208
>Only white guy in cast
>Best character in the show

What did Miranda mean by this?

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>>82186266
Fuck, America. I'm so sorry we let this happen to you.

>>82191615
wat

>>82183950
He literally cucked some guy. He's a bull.

>>82183950
He's just the patron saint of banksters, which is why he gets lauded so much today.

>>82183974
They started friends, had a falling out, and later reconciled late in life.

>>82184647
>Sean Penn is playing Jackson in the six-hour event series, which is being produced by Lionsgate and is based on the Pulitzer Prize-winning biography written by former Newsweek editor Jon Meacham. Penn also is executive producer on the project, which is scheduled to go into production this summer.


>>>Sean Penn

Lmao this is going to be a critical diatribe to rival the book of Revelations. Latest I could even find on it is from a year ago pre-production. Any evidence this is actually happening?