Name a better Vietnam war movie Pro Tip: you probably can

>>82175646
Reminder that Fortunate Son was only in Forrest Gump and you won't find it on the soundtrack for any other Vietnam movies.

I honestly prefer Full Metal Jacket

>>82175676
I wanna make a vietnam movie just for the it aint me memes

>>82175712
Run through the Jungle is the better Vietnam song anyway.

>>82175676
Think again
https://youtu.be/Y6vHXumb47M

>>82175646
The Deer Hunter

>>82175646

Operation Dumbo Drop

Checkmate faggot

Platoon

Hamburger Hill

Starship Troopers

Kong: Skull Island

>>82175646
Predator

>>82176620
This.

>>82175646
redux

>>82176436
>movie
>>82176747
redux is awful

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>>82175646
Tropic Thunder

>>82175646
Spec Ops The Line

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>>82176545
this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_-RGlLePnI

>platoon
>4th july
>fmj

These are the holy trinity of Vietnam films

>>82176747
>>82176791
>tfw you only have redux on DVD

If I want to watch Apocalypse Now I've got to have 3 hours to kill and a lot of tolerance for unnecessary fluff. I hardly ever see redux defended on here.

childhood is thinking apocalypse now is great

adulthood is realizing platoon is better

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>>82178614
holy shit, someone needs to send this to joe rogan.

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>>82175646

Despite being quite biased in many ways, still easily most historically accurate Vietnam war movie.

>>82175646
Platoon, full Metal Jacket

It Ain't Me

>>82175646
The Green Berets
1968

Watchmen

>>82178840

Propaganda to be honest.

>>82178799
how was it biased? it was pretty balanced portrayal of both the US and NVA. Good movie though, best post-2000 vietnam war movie by far although that isn't saying much.

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This was pretty good, if you don't mind rape.

>>82178554
Redux is trash. The original is singular in its vision and narrative. Redux waters down the 'war is hell' vibe and gives some Frenchman hamfistedly telling Americans to not be so colonial.

>>82178554
Why don't you just buy the bluray that has both the original and redux? It's like $5.

>>82176436
>cod
absolutely disgusting

OG game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrjkT5Z8JP8
also had other good songs like The Letter

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>>82179525
>how was it biased?

It is bit selective to what parts of battle to display or just mention.

1. Ending charge isn't exactly historically accurate, especially in theatrical version, home video release is bit better. I kinda understand the focus on it for dramatic reasons. End of the battle was far more anti-climatic in reality... if it was end of the battle at all.

2. LZ Albany is skipped all together, it isn't even mentioned. It was far bigger cluster fuck than LZ X-ray. Basically US tried to ambush NVA fucking off from LZ X-ray with 2nd battalion 7th cavalry. Thing became rather chaotic ambush-counter ambush and US forces being outflanked and overrun with US casualties twice as high as in LZ X-ray.

3. The biggest reason why NVA disengaged wasn't exactly 1st cavalry division. It was combination of lot of ARVN troops and USAF starting to do tactical strikes with B-52's in general direction they believed NVA was. ARVN were marching and being airlifted into area with supplies using a lot of helicopters borrowed from pretty much everyone that wasn't 1st Cavalry. USAF, USN, Marines, ARVN and VNAF.

Last two parts could have easily have been made into quick, brutal and chaotic montage sequence at the end to wrap up movie in bit more depressing tone. Then again this was shortly after 9/11 and US was involved in a fresh new war.

>>82179525
>it was pretty balanced portrayal of both the US and NVA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5D1nxb9LX4
It's shit, read the book instead if you can stomach the actual unhollywoodized accounts. Nice visuals though.

Why do Vietnam war movies have so much aesthetic. It has way more than war movies should.

>>82175646
Kong: Skull Island

>>82178840
Was my Petersan brave?

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>>82180594

Because it was first war with modern popular culture and media coverage being almost real time. It was ran by bureaucrats in uniform that really didn't give a fuck and invented bullshit like body counts as means of measuring progress. It was a war turned US into divided nation, with extreme polarization between soldiers and general population. It also became a self-flagellation ritual for Americans.

Also bonus points for nice tropical environment.

Aaaaaah... the frenchschh... planatation scene has alwaysbeencelebratedforbeingboring

1. Full Metal Jacket
2. Apocalypse Now
3. Platoon

I like FMJ a bit more.

>>82175676
memelords BTFO

>>82175646
Kong: Skull Island

>>82180818
>>82180594
Don't forget the top notch music.
We couldn't even get our own fucking music for Irak/Afghanistan.

ITT: People figuring out Apocalyse Now doesn't really have any competition.

>>82181816
>Don't forget the top notch music.

Pop, rock, soul and even country in it's modern forms were new things in 60's. Any really big hit became instant classic. Since then all popular music has just become so fractured.

We aren't even talking about actual genres, but sub-genres and hybrid sub-genres. Mainstream music has become over produced trash and it's power played on radio to the point where no-one who still listens to radio wants to hear it for decade.

Since all is so fractured chances of some song becoming general purpose classics accepted by everyone as classic are pretty much impossible. Songs may become classics within their genre or sub genre.

If you asked general population to pick their 100 all time favorite songs and compiled top 500 list from answers. That list would be full of 50's and 60's classics, with ever decreasing number of newer entries. Possibly lot of classic punk songs from late 70's and early 80's. Some 80's and 90's metal and old school rap. With stuff from last decade virtually completely non-existent on the list.

>We couldn't even get our own fucking music for Irak/Afghanistan.

Because your own music for Iraq and Afghanistan is mix of old general purpose classics and genre classics from past decades.

>>82181816
Lack of a draft. As soon as the draft for Vietnam ended, so did most of the protests and songs.

>>82180837
will we ever get a good movie about how the French got blown the fuck out in Dien Bien Phu?
It has quite an interesting premise desu.

>>82182685
That or a movie about the evacuation of South Vietnam.

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>>82176545
Sgt. Barnes did nothing wrong.

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>>82180856
How can you put FMJ ahead of AN?

>>82181816
Burn motherfucker burn

>>82176436
Black ops was trying to throw every Vietnam reference and cliche in there though

>>82175646
I really enjoyed It Ain't Me

>>82181816
LOL I was listening to GG Allin and emo shit in Iraq

>>82184693
WHEN I DIE PUT THAT BOTTLE IN MY HAND

>>82181816
>We couldn't even get our own fucking music for Irak/Afghanistan.

Sk8er boi? Let The Hajjis hit the floor?

>>82175646
forrest gump

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My favorite is Heaven & Earth. It puts me in a certain mood

>>82183671
hearts of darkness was a better film than apocolypse now

>>82185059
Hearts of Dartmouth is better than both

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Are people here fucking serious?

>oh wait, I forgot how stupid people actually are

There is no objectively better Vietnam war movie. Obviously.

>You're a monkey if you watch the short version
>Full 3 hours is kino of kinos

>>82185942
Nah, Redux sucks.

>>82185961
If you're a brainlet it does, all the genius goes over ones head

>>82183671
what does napalm smell like?

>>82186043
When?

>>82186043

Victory.

>>82186352

In morning.

Gonna name all the ones I've seen.

Apocalypse Now
Full Metal Jacket
Forrest Gump
We Were Soldiers
The Deer Hunter
Platoon

>>82186472
nice

>>82185942
won't dont deny it's a work of genius the likes of which we'll never see again

but in terms of working as a movie, i prefer FMJ and unironically forrest gump

gump's idiocy and bubba's oafishness were so key. they were all dumb kids out there, noone knew what they were doing and nothing made sense to anyone, and no film illustrated that better than forrest gump.

coppola once said "My film is not a movie", and "My film is not about Vietnam. It is Vietnam. It's what it was really like. It was crazy...And little by little we went insane."

i think in terms of a film being about a journey to the "heart of darkness", Apocolypse Now is only beaten by Stalker. AN is a world class film, but to a certain extent Vietnam is only incidental. It was aiming higher than being a war movie artistically and it achieved its goals. But that doesn't make it the best Vietnam war movie.

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>>82179552
>don't mind rape

Que?

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>>82186575
>but to a certain extent Vietnam is only incidental
My dicks hard man, you get it.

>Stalker
I haven't seen it, I'll watch it though.

>that doesn't make it the best Vietnam war movie.
>Unless Stalker is better it does

Personal preference is one thing. The skill and effort that went into another thing.

My father was in the Army during Vietnam, served two tours. Apocalypse Now is one of the movies he said he can't watch, because it was just too fresh and real in his head. He died in 98, miss the old man.

>>82186957
*The skill and effort that went into a piece of work is another thing.

>>82178554
Redux would be great if they cut out the French Colonists.

>>82184937
Shut the fuck up, Hitman 2-1

>>82187082
>it went over your head

>>82187482
Godfather says fuck you

>>82186957
stalker isn't a vietnam film it's a tarkovsky movie based on the book "roadside picnic" by the strugatsky brothers. it's a "journey to the heart of darkness" movie.

in terms of accurately depicting the vietnam war, or the country/people's sentiment around the war, AN is not a great film. in terms of a movie being about the American spirit, AN can't be beat. In terms of being a movie about being a "journey into the heart of darkness", AN is up there with the best.

>>82187786
Alright man, thanks.

Rambo 2

Just watched the 200 minute version, haven't seen the original cut, is it better? Is it worth it?

>>82175676
What about It Ain't Me?

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>>82178799
>historically accurate

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>>82188568

It is easily until the final attack scene breaks down pretty much everything with too much 'murrica fuck yeah patriotism.

There are war movies horribly unrealistic combat scenes, Windtalkers is probably most cringeworthy example.

>>82185942
>redditspacing

>>82175646
Its honestly not a vietnam movie though. It was set in vietnam but it could honestly be located in any conflict zone in which there was a river they had to travel down. The war stuff is actually kinda irrelavent, the true story is about the heart of darkness and its call, the descent into maddness, and the culling of the unworthy. The only ones that survive all the way to the end at the character that have completely given in to the maddness, the evil, and the lure of the heart. Every character that has some form of morality dies in the journey until we are left with a mind raped LSD hippie, and Willard. Chief makes it too because someone has to drive the boat, but once his role is done he also dies. Willard kills kurtz and becomes him, he accepts the heart of darkness and kills all of kurtz followers, but we are left wondering what will become of this clearly insane murderer. The movie's vietnam trapping kinda fall away after you read the book. I like the setting, dont get me wrong. But I honestly cant think of it as a vietnam movie anymore like FMJ, platoon, hamburger hill, or deer hunter.

>>82175646
Platoon is the GOAT

/thread

sage

>>82176436
>Psychadelic music statiion
>Fucking Credence
How embarrassing

>>82189309
I think it is a vietnam film because Vietnam is the whole point, everyone looses their minds because of that war

>>82189446
Nah, Vietnam hadn't even happened yet when the source material was happening

>>82188544
>>>/r/eddit

>>82175646
Aguirre: Wrath of God is better.

>>82189446
Vietnam is quite literally a meme, ask anyone that served there, unless you were special forces all you did was raid villages, drink a lot and wait for something to happen 90% of your tour. That's why so many soldiers were on the gear, it wasn't to cope, they were just bored as fuck

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despite being a little harsher than reality...

>>82189446
They get worse the farther they go up the river, iow the closer they get to the heart. Its the same way in the origional book which is set in the Congo

>>82176457
THIS

>>82179552
no michael j fox was a faggot white knight the whole time.

not enjoyable because of it.

>>82189744
When Connor chased down that pregnant Vietnamese whore and ripped her throat out was a bit too much.

>>82189861
Ill explain it more. Basically we start off with kilgore the helicopter commander. He is crazy and eccentric, but no different from dudes like patton in a lot of ways. He is the kinda crazy you would expect. He is at the beginning of the journey, at the start of the river. At the end of the river is the circus battle which is just before kurtz and that place is total maddness, its the farthest up the river, closest to the heart. None of the men there are sane or morale, all are completey section 8. And it proggresses like that. The farther we go up the river both the people we meet and the characters becone increaingly more unhinged. They talk about the horror of the war, but its not the war itself pushing them to do it, its the heart of darkness. The heart is a actual thing. Its not physical, but its a real force thats asserting itself on these people. Calling to those who are are fallen enough to heed it to come to it, and culling the unworthy along the way. Its very lovecraftian but you wont get that unless you familiar with the source material. Watching the movie with no prior knowledge of hod its easy to see it as a vietnam movie, but as others have said its actually reaching beyond that.

>>82175646
Apocalypse now may be set in the vietnam war, but it isn't actually *about* the vietname war -- it's about nihilism and existential angst.


Platoon, on the other hand is actually about Vietnam, and the experiences of the generation that had to go there, and was actually directed by a guy who was there himself.

>>82188868
My point is, who gives a fuck about accuracy? Go watch documentaries for that.

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>>82176436
>Battle of Khe Sanh
>1968
>CCR's Fortunate Son
>released 1969

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>>82190584
>My point is, who gives a fuck about accuracy?

So historical accuracy is irrelevant in historical drama? Maybe they should start doing product placement of mobile telecommunications devices in war movies about WWII or earlier shit like the French Revolution?

>Go watch documentaries for that.

Actual documentary battle footage pretty rare until cheap video cameras in 1980's. God bless Syrian civil war and GoPro's.

>>82179939
best "thats the way these gooks laugh at you" simulator ever

>>82190974
>So historical accuracy is irrelevant in historical drama?

It is, I guess you don't know the core of the "based on..." meaning. Braveheart was inaccurate as fuck but it's still one of the best historical films ever made. The epics from the 50s and 60s were rarely accurate as well, and 80% of them were kino as fuck.

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>>82191307

Do you realize that We Were Soldiers is based on one of the best commanders memoirs about Vietnam War? Book was shadow written by the journalist who was also present in the battle. It is generally accurate aside from ending.

>>82176620
I loved it when It ain't me started

>>82189744
That ending where Connor sacrificed himself by dragging that agent orange canister into that village was truly powerful

>>82191724
It didn't even make sense either, what was the point of using a defoliant where there were no trees?

>>82191603
But artistically - it doesn't matter. And accurate or not, the film is kinda good but nothing special. Do I like when films and series follow written materials faithfully? Sure, it's a nice bonus but ultimately - doesn't matter.

>>82176457
final tier of vietnam kino. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuGSXflBoWU&t=66s

>>82178746
this x1000

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>>82192033

There obligation to at least somewhat follow history. For example lets look at Blackhawk Down. The point where Riddley Scott lost it as director in my opinion. He thought about doing it without US military support, but in the end cooperated with US military to get access to stuff like helicopters and bunch of humvees. It came at pretty cost of couple minor changes to real events. One relatively highly decorated ranger got name change as real he had become convicted pedophile since getting silver star. Another minor change is rather minimal showing of combat zone being full of civilians caught in crossfire. Around 1000 to 1500 died, estimate is that about one third to two thirds of them weren't militants, but civilians.

Another example. Generation Kill. They also had sergeant major with kiddy fiddling tendencies. Then again they did the show without official support from US military.

>>82185942
The Redux included some completely unnecessary scenes, with the most egregious one being that french bungalo scene which added nothing to the plot. After watching it, I understood why they cut those scenes for the original release.

>>82185942
>not watching the 7 hour workprint cut
>also that ribbit spacing
yeah nah kys yourself m80

>>82193281
Sometimes I think I'm the only one who liked the French scenes

>>82175738
proof that >>82177563 is correct

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>>82190741
5 years later and this still bothers me.
I hate when writers do this.

>>82188997
>not wanting to read a blob of shit

"HURRR YOUR FORMATS LIKE THAT SITE I SECRETLY GO TO BUT WILL MOCK OTHERS FOR IT!!!"

>>82178746
it's actually the other way around

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>>82193311
There is no 7 hour workprint cut.

Reddit is better than 4chan. Let's be real.

>>82193311
>>82188997
>For you

I personally think the best method is co poisoning. You need:
-Ready-made bbq pack
-Airtight (enough) room
-water bath
Dump the red hot embers into the water bath in the airtight room. The room quickly fills with CO and you drift off for eternity. The paramedics have NO chance at reviving you. Brain death at approx 10 mins.

SIGNS everywhere about what you did. Anybody else that walks into that room is fucked unless they are a firefighter breathing air from a tank.

Keep in mind there is no heaven, this life is as good as it gets.

>>82193281
>completely unnecessary
One could make a solid argument that all art is "completely unnecessary"
>It just went over your head

>>82193392
Nah the personification of political identities was top notch kino brother

reminder if you dislike redux you belong on reddit

>>82195057
>Reddit is better than 4chan. Let's be real.

Then why are you here

>>82195187
Both are good for different things. Reddit is (overall) better.

>>82195281
Then go back

Apocalypse now is my favorite movie set in vietnam, full metal jacket is my favorite vietnam movie

>>82195541
I've been here 7 years, how about you newfag?

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77 posters and not a single mention of this movie. Yall disappoint me.

>>82179552
>if you don't mind rape.
why else would you watch it?

>>82195989
Didn't like how Herzog made that one dude be an asshole for no reason for muh drama

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>>82195989

Honestly the documentary, Little Dieter Needs to Fly, was better. Dieter Dengler was pretty fucked up mentally in real life, all kinds of trauma from war and post WWII childhood in Germany. Nice anecdotal stuff like removing wallpapers to boil off plaster/glue that was made edible flour. Guy had tons of sugar, honey, salt and other unspoilable food stuffs in his basement, attic and fucking walls of his house. As intensive as Christian Bale is at his best, he doesn't match the real deal.

Also that damn UH-60 Blackhawk in original poster triggers me for some reason.

What exactly is the criticism of Apocalypse Now here it's a 10/10 film

>>82175646
LEMME SEE YOUR WAR FACE

>>82175646
Apocalypse Now is probably the best movie where the setting is the Vietnam War but I don't really think I'd call it a Vietnam War movie

Deer Hunter, Apocalypse Now and Platoon are objectively the trinity

FMJ and Hamburger Hill are next

and then We were soldiers

>>82176545
This is the correct answer

>>82196379

That is an issue.

>>82180856
this

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Full Metal Jacket is the best and if you disagree you a literally a cuck

FMJ

>>82175676

the meme still captures the idea the 'nam movies are full of period pop music though

>>82198947
>All fucking niggers must hang

What did Animal Mother mean by this?

Never watched Apocalypse Now before

What should I watch? Normal one or redux? Tell me what to do /tv/

>>82198947
FMJ starts sucking as soon as they get to Vietnam and that is a FACT

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The best Vietnam kino is real life.

>>82199211
Redux if you've got the time. It goes a bit into the French occupation of the region and why it failed, alluding to the fate of the Americans.

all the plebs who havent seen or let alone heard of the deer hunter

forever #1 Vietnam movie by far.

>>82176457
only contender

>>82176436
battlefield vietnam as well

>>82199211
I only watched redux and was extremely underwhelmed. I asked on here and the general consensus seemed to be that the shittiest scenes were the ones that were added in the redux version. I saw the normal version later and still feel its overrated. Martin Sheen is a terrible actor, theres too many cliche characters (the reporter guy, holy shit so bad) and the build up towards Kurtz falls flat and is anticlimactic in the end, probably because Brando was an obese alcoholic at that point.

>>82199412
GIVE'EM ALL FLAT TIRES

>>82195281
reddit is only better for accessing content regarding a specific topic. Its awful for discussion, probably one of the worst places of all time for debate. Anyone who has a reddit account and actually comments on stuff there is a complete retard, but reading trending posts on something you are interested in is alright.

>>82199498
And before someone says it, I completely understand and can appreciate the theme of traveling into the heart of darkness and the evil nature of men as you get further into the horrors of war and up the river. I just dont think its as well executed as most seem to. My main problem is Martin Sheen, hes just so awful, with the same stare all the time. Whenever hes supposed to be nervous, excited or any other feeling its narrated instead of him actually acting it out.

>>82199498

The thing about Apocalypse Now is the fact that it is obvious metaphor for entire war. It isn't movie about the war, it is the war. Even shooting the movie was chaotic as hell. It was shot in Philippines, their air force used those planes and helicopters seen in the opening scenes in actual operations during the time movie was shot in actual operations against islamist and commies.

When it comes to kind of anticlimax at the end, it is supposed to be that as it metaphor for entire war.

>>82199921
>My main problem is Martin Sheen, hes just so awful, with the same stare all the time.

He isn't awful actor, he just didn't have range back then. He is perfect in Bad Lands and pretty good in Apocalypse Now. He found more range as older guy.

>>82179552
this movie is fucking great
this was the first John C. Reilly movie

>>82178746

This. Oliver Stone is the only director of them who actually fought during the Vietnam War, including the Thet surprise attack. Platoon is the best Vietnam movie.

>>82188868

>a giant Bill Paxton head comes back from the dead to eat some helicopters in Gookland

>>82199276
>

>>82202001

kek

>>82176545
This my answer too.
>one pill makes you larger, and one pill makes you small
Which pill was Barnes, and which was Elias?