Just step on it dude, it's only a formality

>>82117766
no thanks, i dont want to go to hell

>>82117766
Fuck that. Just stick me into that comfy hole.

>>82117887

do u honestly think jesus wudn't forgive u for stepping on a icon of him under duress

>>82117933
do you honestly think religious people act rationally

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>>82117887
>worshiping graven images

yeah ... no

>>82117887
Don't worship idols, fgt.

>>82117933
>>82117978
>>82117983
>iconoclast fags
>durr i cant get symbolism
you don't go to hell by stepping into a piece of wood, but for the intention behind the act

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>>82117983
What if my idols look based as fuck? Pic related.

>>82118250
Symbol =! What it symbolizes

How hard is this for you heretics to understand?

>>82118251
The entire movie the japs looked the part as a bunch of flea bitten starving peasants while Garfield looked like he had just stepped fresh out of the makeup trailer and smeared a bit of dirt on his cheeks

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>>82118421
Yeah, I agree about Garfield. Didn't ruin it for me, except his stupid accent. Driver was the real MVP.

>>82117766
No thanks tbch, death is preferable to apostasy.

>>82118250
>yes rock with picture! I would much rather pray to you then directly to God! Of course God is always far from my thoughts so I need constant reminders!

>>82117766
Imagine a world, where science has not yet progressed to the point where it has now. A world where you never were educated beyond how to farm radishes, care for livestock, and haggle for the best price for either at the market. Where you have about as much idea as to why the sun rises and the tides go in and out, which is not at all. Now imagine someone tells you, "All this stuff (including yourself) was made by a God and you've got a pretty sweet deal if you simply believe in him and pray every so often. But if you don't, or reject his love, you condemn yourself to an eternity of suffering."
A few days or months of agony would be nothing compared to this ignorant, primal fear of endless torment.

>>82118588
>Driver got to die a true Christian
>Garfield becomes an apostate who literally helps the government hunt Christians

The ending where we're suppose to appreciate Garfield still secretly being Christian is bullshit. He's a Judas just like Liams character.

I'm gonna go ahead and call this movie what it is: a fucking snoozefest.

>>82118588
Driver was low key very good in this.
Although I did wonder why the japs let him die so easily while they took such good care of Garfield's character

>>82118813
>The ending where we're suppose to appreciate Garfield still secretly being Christian is bullshit.
He was weak, but still believed in his god. What's the problem here? This kino was about cowards.

>>82118843
bless you.

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>>82118761
No it's more like:
Imagine if you have your own wonderful beliefs and festivals and all these amazing myths, legends, and tales, and now some brainwashed faggot comes up to you who says there's only 1 god and he wants you to do everything he, not the god but the man, says because it says so in his book which was written by another man who spoke to this god. And then you said "no" and he beat the shit out of you and raped your family until you either accepted or died.

>>82118873
Driver's faith was too strong. They realized it's better to use his death to influence Garfield. Maybe?

>>82118929
He's actually worse than Judas. At least after his sin Judas killed himself over the guilt.

Garfields priest basically was if Judas betrayed Jesus and then lived the rest of his life persecuting Christians and died an old man helping the Jews as a Christian hunter.

>>82119060
Its weird, Driver seemed to be the weaker one in terms of faith.

He hates being in Japan, he hated living in squalor and the ignorance of the Japs and frankly whines a lot. I would have thought he'd break easier than Garfield.

>>82118929
I felt it was more about people being averse to taking responsibility for their actions, reinforced by how they've deferred all responsibility for their actions to God, thus putting them in a position where admitting fault would require claiming God has fault.

>>82119108
Garfield became Kichijiro. If you remember that poor Japanese guy from hte movie. Did Kichijiro deserve to be forgived? At what point was there no more forgiving? Can God forgive Garfield after death? The movie didn't answer this and you clearly have your opinion. I'd like to add that this movie was very Catholic, which is a religion of forgiving. I liked Kichijiro a lot, because it made me think. I've met people like him irl. I personally would not forgive.

>>82119108
I never understood why Judas is so vilified. If it weren't for him Christ never would have ascended to heaven and christianity would have vanished like a fart in the wind without muh martyr. Add to that homeboy paid the ultimate price for his faith. He's really the unsung hero of Christianity.

>>82119298
powers that be needed a villain and satan isn't in the bible

>>82119316
Pretty sure he tempts christ in the wilderness.

>>82119298
Honestly from what I gather if Judas begged Jesus for forgiveness he likely would be forgiven. It's the fact that he despaired in his sin and killed himself that damned him.

>>82119249
It seemed to me Kichijiro was the embodiment of what Ferreira was talking about when he said the japanese never really understood the faith. He would continue to sin and deny his faith and then beg for absolution afterwards.

>>82119316
>satan isn't in the bible
But he is? I remember he chilled out with Jesus like they were best friends.

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If you are a religious person and are afraid of going to hell for stepping on a religious effigy, you are RETARDED.

Jesus doesn't give a single shit if you step on it, if you break it, if you burn it.
Some of the most religious people that ever lived didn't have jack shit but themselves and some rags to express themselves spiritually and worship.
They made churches with fucking rocks and made crosses with a pair of sticks they just found laying around.
It was completely symbolic.
Faith is you, and the people around you.

I pity you because you don't love and respect your fellow men anymore, you don't understand what the fuck i'm even talking about because you've lived so far removed and alienated from the average human being you use faith as a mental delusion to run from the world itself, faith is your too of escapism, wishful thinking and nothing more.

Jesus still loves you but he's going to bitchslap the everloving fuck outta you and slap a dunce hat on you once you pass the gates.

>>82119379
Yes. Was Kichijiro Chaotic Neutral?

>>82119396
For who did Jesus die?

>>82119396
If that's true then why the fuck did Judas get shit on for saying to sell expensive oils and give the money to the poor rather than waste it on Jesus feet?

Sounds like that whole scene shows that respecting God matters more than leviating human suffering.

>>82119025
You are talking about hoe Christians did this aspie shit in Japan, without being invited or asked, who tried to convert Japanese people...right?

Literally why they were there. I can't imagine how that somehow makes them the good guys.

>>82117766
Did the guys that literally killed him get forgiven?

>>82119491
If i'm not mistaken Jesus didn't ask for his followers to use the oils on him, right?
Nor did he specifically shit talk Judas for objecting, it was the followers, right?

>>82119612
Jesus replies to Judas statement with.

"The poor you will always have with you, but you will not always have me."

>>82118251
>White washing instead of hiring Portuguese actors.

>>82119711
That's frankly so hilariously cuntish and out of character it seems like something one of the disciples would've added after the fact to embellish the story.

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>go to an isolationist country that explicitly doesn't want your shit
>repeatedly tell you "no thanks, but you can still visit, just don't do that converting stuff"
>don't listen
>keep sending, in secret, hundreds of priests
>"hey guys, please cut it out. We don't want this religion. Look, we don't want to, but we may have to arrest some of you".
>still continue to send priests.
>poor Japanese start to convert
>"guys, we have been really cool about this before but you just gotta stop".
>refuses to stop.
>Christians start to get killed.
>Christians become more autistic, send more.
>"holy shit, just stop coming here!"
>the good guys

Not condoning killing of any sort, but they kept going there...

>>82119731
I am Portuguese and I beg you NOT TO HIRE ANY PORTUGUESE ACTORS! THEY ALL SUCK, except some comical ones and a female old one. I repeat, DO NOT HIRE PORTUGUESE ACTORS, HOLLYWOOD! KEEP CASTING PEOPLE FROM OTHER PLACES (except Brazillians) AS PORTUGUESE! WE DO NOT CARE ABOUT HAVING BRITS AND AMERICANS PLAYING PORTUGUESE WITH A STRANGE ACCENT! I ASSURE WE DON'T!

BTW, you won't see any Portuguese dub version because we are not barbarians who dub foreign films

>>82119880
>because we are not barbarians who dub foreign films
But without dubbing we would have never gotten the für Sie meme.

>>82119372
>recognizes he has done wrong
>Shuns salvation in pennance
Pretty honorable. And he knew that christ knew that he had betrayed him. They all had roles to play.

>>82119804
>defending arresting missionairies because "m-muh culture"

Kys

>>82119804
Fuck off you weeb cunt.

Jap lords allowed Christian missionaries so they could get their hands on Portuguese weapons.

Afterwards once Tokugawa gained total control of Japan was when isolationism and Christian persecution began at full strength.

They were invited in and shut out once one prick had total control.

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>>82119804
You've oversimplifying the situation.
The ban on christianity was mostly political in nature, Hideyoshi and Ieyasu enforced the ban and killed Christians to keep cultural control over the population (it was especially important once westerners started to flood in).

And by the way, just so we're clear, the church sending missionaries was also an attempt at infiltrating japanese society and customs and estabilishing a foothold in japan that could've grown eventually into a position of political power.

To make a long story short, this isn't about religion, it's about power.
Religion is only the superficial mask under other shit that was happening in the background at the time.

>>82119986
I didn't defend that at all. I said that it's mostly your fault for entering a hostile country that keeps trying to kick you out and threatens to go out of its way to arrest or murder you. You act like Christians are fucking entitled to convert whoever they want in whatever country they please, you bleeding heart, Christfag.

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>>82119986
>>82119987
Are you saying you currently support the islamization of your countries, anons?

>>82119987
I'm sure you have a source.

>>82119383
I prefer the gnostic interpretation that lucifer and christ were the same person, the morning star, and the trials and tribulations of christ were Lucifer cleansing himself of the sin of pride and expiating the sins of humanity in the process.

>>82120099
It's called reading a history book, for fuck's sake.

>>82118929
It wasnt about cowards but how resorting to different approaches to save lives isnt much different that christiantiy itself.Garfield's character was believing in the context of christianity not the indoctrinated subject of it

>>82120055
>it is about power
Nobody was disputing that.

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>>82119804
>but they kept going there...
The job isn't done yet.

>>82120109
That sounds like literally the dumbest shit i've ever heard in my entire life.
Who the hell is the absolute dumbass that came up with this shit?

>>82120087
Dont see a problem with it

>>82120127
Your post was half wrong and historically illiterate, why don't you just source it?

>>82120087
Inb4 B-but dats different!

>>82118421
It's the hollywood hair mate. No matter how dirty they would make him, the sexy ass hair still makes him look handsome af

>>82120055
Even during the toyotomi period it was very on and off, as some of his trusted daimyos stayed christian such as konishi yukinaga.

>>82120157
Go to bed demiurge.

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>>82120161
Oh my.
And they told me /tv/ was a hive of alt-right /pol/tards, see, it's not true at all.
There's plent of VERY progressive people here.

>>82118813
>we're suppose to appreciate Garfield
We are not supposed to feel anything. It's not capeshit, there's no hero or villain. You have to make your own mind

nips might've been wrong about virtually everything but they were right in recognizing the cancer that is the kike religion

>>82120087
If whites willingly decide to convert to Islam then why should I care?

You realize the Christians in Japan were natives of Japan right?

>>82120099
Different guy check out otomo sorin, konishi yukinaga, shiro amakusa for starters.

>>82119731
This

>>82120270
>You realize the Christians in Japan were natives of Japan right?
This isn't true in the slightest. Is this the power of Sunday school?

The Japanese didn't just spontaneously come up with Christian values.

>>82120299
Or you could link directly to a single source that backs up those original claims?

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>>82120215
Japanese history is full of leaders that valued efficiency, competency and loyalty over petty shit like religion, that's nothing new.
Read anything about Nobunaga and how he handled the military, to name one.

However it's also full of people getting mad over petty shit, at the same time.
It's sort of a mixed bag.

>>82120265
Enlighten me, what were they "wrong" about?

>>82120317
>You realize the Christians in Japan were natives of Japan right?
>This isn't true in the slightest

What? You think those christian Japs weren't natives? Does being chrisitan make them non-japanese somehow?

>>82119025
I know it's a stupid meme image but it really bugs my autism so I'm going to bite rather than just letting it slide.

To claim that Christianity is not European is to claim that Italy, Greece, and the Roman Empire are not European, butthurt "pagans" need to grow up and realize their meme religions will never go mainstream.

>>82120420
Explain how a Jesuit priest is a fucking native.

>>82120317
Dozens, maybe hundreds of Jesuits converted the Japanese natives.

You used fear tactics of Islam even though its growth comes from foreign immigrants rather than Europeans converting.

>>82120453
He was talking about the Japanese christians you fucking retard

>>82120396
Is that a sengoku rance pic you have there?

>>82120396
While true those same Japanese warlords were also stuck on petty level conflicts for the longest and seemed perfectly content just keeping the status quo as long as they got to be kings of their castles, yeah. It's no coincidence that Nobunaga eventually ended up turning so many people against himself because he was actually trying to get shit done, for example.

>>82120471
>keyword: convert
Are you missing something here?
>You used fear tactics of Islam even though its growth comes from foreign immigrants rather than Europeans converting.
Idk who "you" is, I'm not religious.

>>82120494
...which were converted. His point only seems to matter if you assume that "most natives are Christian", which implies they did this shit on their own.

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>>82120408
its the philosophy of complacency, subordination, and servitude, an ideological slavery that erodes both nations and individuals by promoting collectivism while condemning individualism, scorning personal accomplishments and ambition, and favoring the meek

>>82120515
Are you fucking retarded? Fucking hell go back to /r/atheism you 12 year old shit.

Most Christians in Japan were Japanese. It wasn't Europeans immigrating en mass to Japan like Islam is doing.

Andrew garfield is such a shit

>>82120573
*tips fedora*
*hails satan ironically*

>>82120595
>Most Christians in Japan were Japanese
...which were converted.

>>82120541
>Don't care if whites convert to islam
>Japs converted willingly, so why care

How the fuck does that assume that "most natives are Christian"?

>>82120595
No, you are right anon. They invented Christianity all on their own. This isolated, pacific island nation just came up with Jesus and started an underground Christian movement for no reason.

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>>82120498
It's from Drifters, from the guy that made Hellsing back in the day.
It's pretty retarded, but fun.
Also has a delicious shota tho he's probably too old for /tv/'s notorious taste.

>>82120657
Wrong anon, kid.

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>>82120625
good goy

>>82120680
>invented

Keep digging your hole of retardation.

Most Christians in Japan were natives converted by a small population of European Jesuits.

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>>82120595
>Christians also historically practiced forced conversions
>"B-BUT IT WASN'T LIKE ISLAM!"
I hate you people.

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>>82120775
>a "small" population of European Jesuits.
Despite this being wrong as fuck, you really like semantics don't you?

>>82120775
>I don't know what the word "convert" means

>>82120573
Nothing is actually wrong with healthy collectivism.

>>82118250
>step on the image with the intention of surviving without budging from your faith in the totally monotheistic Holy Trinity
What now, theist?

>>82120573
>favoring the meek
Want to elaborate, Adolf?

>>82120625
>cant bring arguments
>le memes xdddd
really makes me think

>>82120826
>>82120899

What exactly are you autists trying to prove?

The Christian population in Japan during this time was made up of maybe a few hundred Jesuits and tens of thousands of their Japanese converts. Hence ny statement that mostly natives made up Christians in Japan.

>>82120992
on what? turn the other cheek goy. obey your superior. riches are for sinners, you should work hard and find joy in work itself. you'll get a reward after death...hehehe

>>82121006
That without an insurgency from an evangelical religion there wouldn't have been any converts.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?

>>82121141
So, general alturism triggers you?

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>>82120128
>It wasnt about cowards but how resorting to different approaches to save lives isnt much different that christiantiy itself.Garfield's character was believing in the context of christianity not the indoctrinated subject of it
This is actually the best opinion I've read about the movie. Good for you, anon.

>>82121644
You are welcome
*tips back*