J.R.R. Tolkien and C.S. Lewis bonded over their mutual hatred

nica sauce, fuckface.

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>>82115959
>all that asshurt over dwarves

Was it autism?

>>82115985
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/news/jrr-tolkien-cs-lewis-bonded-mutual-hatred-walt-disney-private/

wordlimit

>J.R.R. Tolkien and C.S. Lewis bonded over their mutual hatred of Walt Disney
>Narnia movies finally were made by Disney

You should have wrote in your testament about it as Tolkien did, you dummy Lewis

Why is Lewis bitching about unoriginal evil queens? He pulled that shit in at least two books.

>>82115959
Who would win in a fist fight out of the 3 if they were brought back to life.

Bonus mode they all get to use the most powerful weapon they thought of in their lore.

>>82116090
Disney just paid the money and later sold the franchise to Fox. Walden Media made the movies.

>>82116047
Manlets are to be cuddled and loved ok.

>>82116137
The design

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>>82116090
Pottery
>>82115959
So the akschushuallyllly nerds have more in common with their idols than previously thought?

>>82116169

Still unpure

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>>82115959
>What might not have come of it if this man had been educated–or even brought up in a decent society?

Is the hate for Walt Disney warranted? All he did is open a couple of theme parks for kids and drew cartoons, what the fuck warrants so much envy against him?

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>>82116211
Americans are uncivilised brainlets: confirmed.

>>82116150
Tolkien, he was a WW1 combat veteran, he'd get fucking dirty trench warfare style.

>>82115959
>"I recognise his talent, but it has always seemed to me hopelessly corrupted,"
Fuck man he should see them now

>>82116264
Nope, he was a working class American schlub with a dream, which he realized, compared to these effete upper class snobs.

>>82115959
>>old british queens upset at the uppity colony-nigga

>>82116332
>Combat veteran
No he wasn't, he operated a telegraph machine in a secure bunker far in the rear for 99% of his service in WWI.

He would still probably win though.

>>82115959
They would have fucking loved /tv/.

/ourguys/

>Tolkien and Lewis would be posting on tv shitting on disney/marvel/starwars were they alive

/our guys/

>>82116588
>They would have fucking loved /tv/.
Maybe old /tv/ and a big maybe for Tolkien, but lewis was against all the pleb trash culture this board pushes

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>>82115959
>"the effect of all of them is to me disgusting. Some have given me nausea..."
Tolkien was the original Snyderbro fucking BASED

>>82116451
Don't know about Lewis but Tolkien was an orphan. He didn't exactly have an easy life.
>>82116465
That was WWII you spud. In WWI he fought at the Somme, it's what inspired Mordor.

>>82116700
Tolkien would have loathed the christian references in Snyder's work. He would shit on him harder than he did on Disney.

>>82116150
Tolkien killed other men with his bare hands in the trenches you moron

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>Tolkien was bothered by the tales’ inconsistent use of mythological figures. Characters from classical myth are scattered through the stories, alongside figures from modern folklore and kiddie lit. He couldn’t see how a story could feature both fauns and Father Christmas, dryads and dragons, Baachus and Beatrix Potter-type talking animals. It was all too derivative, too contrived, too much of a poorly conceived, partially thought-out mishmash.

>Furthermore, Tolkien didn’t share Lewis’s love of children’s literature as such. While Tolkien appreciated fairy tales and myth, he didn’t think they should be relegated to literature for children. He disliked dream tricks (as Lewis used in The Great Divorce) to transport people into alternate worlds, and he mistrusted magical literary devices in which children popped into other worlds through mirrors, wardrobes, or rabbit holes.

>In short, Tolkien took myth more seriously. He built his alternative world from the ground up. Beginning with the language of the elves, Tolkien created the race that spoke the language, then conceived and carefully created not only the other races and their languages, but the whole world in which they lived, complete with its geography, history, and comprehensive myth. Tolkien may have been scornful of the rapidity and ease with which Lewis created his stories, but he was so not simply because the works were produced quickly, but because it showed.

>Tolkien’s real objections to Narnia, however, run deeper. Tolkien disliked allegory, and the Narnia tales were too allegorical for his taste. Lewis protested that they were not an allegory (he had already written an allegory in his Pilgrim’s Regress) but an analogy. While it is true that the characters in Narnia do not have a one-to-one allegorical relationship with abstract truths, they do point clearly to greater truths and greater characters in the Christian story. Tolkien objected.

>tfw there never was a time when Disney wasn't pleb central for plebdittors.

>>82115959
This is funny cause I remember Harlan Ellison and Michael Moorcock expressing distaste for Tolkien's work.

>>82116931
>Moorcock
unfortunate name or GOAT name?

Tolkien being friend with C.S. Lewis must have been like a 20 year old hanging out with an eleven year old.

>>82116809
>On 7 June, he was informed that he had been assigned as a signals officer to the 11th (Service) Battalion, Lancashire Fusiliers. The battalion was part of the 74th Brigade, 25th Division.
>A weak and emaciated Tolkien spent the remainder of the war alternating between hospitals and garrison duties, being deemed medically unfit for general service.

Signal corps means he would have spent most of his time wiring messages and wagging flag signals. His own recollections from the Somme indicate that the most he saw of combat was a trip to a frontline trench to talk with a machine gun operator. He got so sick from disease carried by lice that he ended up spending the remainder of the war in what amounts to the reserves.

He was not a true combat veteran, more like a POG who saw the front from a forward operating base for a time.

And he has no involvement in WWII. He actually didn't want to fight in WWI but his family basically forced him to join.

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>>82116877
>ywn hear Tolkien tell Lewis to go back to r*ddit

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>>82116877
>it's n-not an allegory Tolkein-sama I s-swear
>it's an analogy
>:^)

>>82115959
At least Disney wrote what his characters' tax policies were.

>>82116931
>Harlan Ellison and Michael Moorcock

their work though innovative is still inferior

they twisted their genres like disney did and in doing so, lost the deeper aspects and the appeal of the mythology.

>>82116877
ONE OF US ONE OF US ONE OF US

/ourguys/

Disney IS universally hated here though, right?

>>82116931
>Harlan Ellison and Michael Moorcock

Literally Who?

>>82117121
No it's not, /tv/ is not one person.
go back to redddit

>>82117121
Classic Disney, no. The guy was pretty based, it was basically suburban housewife lifestyle propaganda.

Now? /tv/'s enemy number ONE (1)

>>82116986
>Tolkien arrived at theSommein early July 1916. In between terms behind the lines atBouzincourt, he participated in the assaults on theSchwaben Redoubtand theLeipzig Salient.
>In the run-up to theSecond World War, Tolkien was earmarked as acodebreaker. In January 1939, he was asked whether he would be prepared to serve in thecryptographicdepartment of the Foreign Office in the event of national emergency.He replied in the affirmative and, beginning on 27 March, took an instructional course at the London HQ of theGovernment Code and Cypher School.

>>82115959
>Disney now owns and produces fucking EVERYTHING
I wish monopolies were illegal.

>>82116877
>he was so not simply because the works were produced quickly, but because it showed.
whew

>>82117271
go tweet some shillary posts you stupid communist

>>82117240
That first bit is incredibly vague, he wrote nothing about it in his own recollections, and I highly doubt a signal officer would be participating in any kind of heavy combat.

The second bit has nothing to do with combat, I can't even fathom why you bothered posting it.

>>82117304
Ironic, since Disney is the one spewing leftist and commie propaganda.

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>>82117121
We recognize it's poison but still enjoy it on occasion.

>>82117121
Maybe with you libcucks
Iger is team trump and /tv/ is /pol/ sister board as confirmed by our mod thats been babysitting /tv/ for a decade now

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>>82115959
>The bigger things get the smaller and duller or flatter the globe gets. It is getting to be all one blasted little provincial suburb. When they have introduced American sanitation, morale-pep, feminism, and mass production throughout the Near East, Middle East, Far East, U.S.S.R., the Pampas, el Gran Chaco, the Danubian Basin, Equatorial Africa, Hither Further and Inner Mumboland, Gondhwanaland, Lhasa, and the villages of darkest Berkshire, how happy we shall be. At any rate it ought to cut down travel. There will be nowhere to go. So people will (I opine) go all the faster. Col. Knox says ⅛ of the world's population speaks 'English', and that is the biggest language group. If true, damn shame – say I. May the curse of Babel strike all their tongues till they can only say 'baa baa'. It would mean much the same. I think I shall have to refuse to speak anything but Old Mercian.

It's just british classism reflected against an American. Tolkien and CS lewis wrote books for teenagers, Disney created the medium of animation and the idea of theme parks. Faggot brits I fucking hate you get off my board

>>82117597
B A S E D
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>>82117358
fucking SOURCE

CS Lewis was the worst christian apologist of all time, i have never read a weaker piece of apologetics than le milk jug argument

>>82117597
But what was his tax policy?

>>82116150
Lewis rings the bell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qO02Atg3Dk

>tfw your great grandson is a pleb

>>82117751
Ill-educated boob.

>>82115959
It's funny that their friendship later turned sour over Lewis' Narnia books.

>>82117776
No :^)

>>82118171
Did it? Criticism of friend's work doesn't necessarily ruin the friendship, does it? I mean, I'm not arguing, if you know something I don't, I'm curious.

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>>82115959
>another anti-Disney thread

>>82118171

I never heard of that. If anything it was because Lewis was a dirty protestant.

>>82115959

To be fair, Frozen had yet to be released in Tolkien's era.

>>82118329
You mean you expected some stronger words? They were gentlemen, you know.

>>82117121
This is an art board so obviously yes. Anyone saying "no" or anything other than only "yes" is a shill btw

>>82118363

It's understandable that they had harsh words before Disney perfected art with Frozen.

>>82118384
False, this is a meme board.

>>82118249
They drifted apart more over religious differences and personal ones than over their work, though they did reconcile late in life.

>based JRR hated disney when it was good
He would probably go on a shooting spree in Disneyland if he saw it today

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What animation studio has the talent to turn Tolkien's Father Christmas letters into the kino it deserves?

>>82117751
Okay, we'll get off your board, if you get off our World Wide Web and get off our computer. Also, the website doesn't say .us, does it? :^)

>>82116211
He would've been another educated nobody

>>82118249
Well, their friendship did sour, but it wasn't just over the Narnia books.

>>82118386
I doubt Tolkien was a supporter of incest, lesbian incest come to that.

>>82118249
Lewis also refused to go Catholic and settled for being Anglican due to peer pressure. This really rustled Tolkien who was really hardcore about Mass in Latin and doing things the old way.

I think the Catholic church should make Tolkien a saint to appeal to the young audience

>>82118544
>jrr with his ww1 bolt action capping transniggers and fat blobs
>bayonet charge when he runs out of ammo

>>82118600

Again, you say that but he hadn't seen that webm with Ella's bouncy tits.

Disney took credit for other people's work. If some one drew Mickey he would sign his name on it. An optical mutiplane camera his studio invented and won an award for he would not let anyone else go on stage to except the award

>>82118751
>except

>>82116823
Source: your ass

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You have to look like
<---This
To get Tolkien's praise

>>82119018
for what?

>>82115959
>Commoner American guy just wants to have fun and entertain and make children happy, and clearly has a genuine love of it
>Upper class British literature snobs hate him

Tolkein and Lewis just come off as autists really.

How do you think they would've felt about MCU and Disneywars?

>Tfw will never have a round of beers with Tolkien, Lewis and Alec Guiness while we trash pop culture together
It seriously hurts.

>>82118558
US Gov't here,

We want our Arpanet technology back please. Find some other way to run your British ponzi schemes.

>>82119140
Disney was a money grubbing asshole with no integrity

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>>82119051

>>82119144
>How do you think they would've felt about MCU and Disneywars?
I am a fucking pleb who has to think for a second before trying to write something like "What might not have come of it if this man had been educated" to get it right and I hate those piece of shit franchises.

They would have felt nothing but the purest kind of revulsion

>>82119069
Where do you get that he would have hated it?

>>82119140
Walt was a cool guy and there was nothing wrong with the stuff Disney created during his lifetime. It wasn't high art and it wasn't meant to be.

>>82117358
>>82118200
>google reverse image search result: man
Well thanks a fucking lot Google.

>>82119051

I don't think Tolkien knew about Lovecraft and even if he did he would have probably hated his guts.

>>82115959
>This American animator has found a simple new way to entertain people, and British classical literaturists HATE him for it!

Find out how!

>>82115959
Invented? As if. I'm sure snarky Sumerian intellectuals were carving cuneiform into tablets about how lame the Epic of Gilgamesh was.

>>82119290
>It wasn't high art and it wasn't meant to be.
That's the problem.

>>82116150
Lewis says the Deplorable Word, everyone but him dies.

>>82119395
Why? What's wrong with making cute cartoons for kids? And Fantasia was great anyway btw.

>>82119320
He knew about his contemporary Robert E Howard

>>82116588
I could see Lewis being a /pol/ shitposter

>>82119479
What did he think about Conan?

>>82119320
>>82119479
He would probably hate both of their guts. After all, they were writing pulp fiction and Lovecraft was NEET of his time who basically had a lucky break and got his works published.

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>>82119500

> This comes via a recount of de Camp hanging out with JRRT in a memorably described encounter, as detailed in his non-fiction review Literary Swordsmen and Sorcerers: The Makers of Heroic Fantasy:

> "We sat in the garage for a couple of hours, smoking pipes, drinking beer, and talking about a variety of things. Practically anything in English literature, from Beowulf down, Tolkien had read and could talk intelligently about. He indicated that he 'rather liked' Howard's Conan stories."

> In J.R.R. Tolkien Encyclopedia: Scholarship and Critical Assessment by Michael Drout, de Camp adds the following explanation/equivocation of the above quote:

> "During our conversation, I said something casual to Tolkien about my involvement with Howard's Conan stories, and he said he 'rather liked them'. That was all: we went on to other subjects. I know he had read Swords and Sorcery because I had sent him a copy. I don't know if he had read any other Conan besides 'Shadows in the Moonlight', but I rather doubt it."

He could have read Lovecraft too. The blog i took this from did say that he is an untrustworthy source since it is only his account. I found the quote in my hardcover collection of Conan.

>>82118600
>I doubt Tolkien was a supporter of incest

Read the Silmarillion.

>>82118600
two sisters making love can hardly be called impure in anyway

>Tolkien and Lewis also appear to have invented the sort of shady, Twitter-friendly hate-watch we all take for granted today. What pioneers.

Why do they feel the need to throw garbage like this in. Journalism is shit these days.

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>>82119051

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>>82117125
>Moorcock

He's basically part of the trilogy of authors Dungeons & Dragons shamelessly stole from, in addition to Tolkien and Vance. I'm actually kinda surprised Elric of Melnibone never received such prominence all things considered.

>>82119302
Did he actually die not knowing he was a hack?
Classic

>>82116631
Would love to see Tolkien BTFO lorefags here

>>82119747
And in the Telegraph of all places!

>>82119747

Everything has to relate to something trivial in order to gauge a readers interest. J.K. Rowling is a great example of this when she makes a political statement such as "not even Voldemort is that evil".

Tolkein:

>Loved Jews
>Hated Germans
>Hated Walt Disney
>Preferred pre-Christian English lore and culture

literally /our guy/

>>82119895
>liked Finnish memes

>>82119697
Man they literally kill themselves over that.

>>82115959
Yeah but what were the dwarves' tax plans in Snow White and the Seven Dwarves?

>>82120158

Doc kept most of the income and took advantage of the other Dwarves mental illnesses for labour.

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>>82115959
>mfw Lewis and Tolkein have their way and make a fedoraized version of Snow White where everything is their way including hideous and horrifying dwarves, faggy lute music, some kind of THICC evil queen, and zero entertainment value.

>>82116454
>an Irishman and a South African
>british

>>82115959
Jews being Jews.

>>82118717
Post

>>82117353
>>82117304

Disney reported people to the House Unamerican Activites Committee

Hillary is not anti-monopoly, she used to be on the Walmart board

Communists did not vote for Hillary

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>>82120840
>when you're so pleb that even as an adult you care more for Disney movies for children than Tolkien's stories

>>82119276
>>82116877

>>82117751
>british
see>>82120844

> Disney created the medium of animation

that was Windsor McKay

>>82117751
I second this, but this board is flooded with them so it's of no use. They truly are a horrifically dumb and ugly people though.

>>82115959

Tolkien diddled boys in boarding school and Lewis is a false witness. Both jews as well. No surprise they couldn't handle Walt.

>>82117751
>Disney created the medium of animation and the idea of theme parks
He invented neither of those, he just popularized them.

>>82116642
>Implying Tolkien would browse 4chan

Try to think before posting next time

>>82117304
Oh communist believe that ip is property.

Sorry, Disney lobbying to extend copy right to 100 yrs instead of the original 10 is some Jewish pinko shit.

>>82121094
I haven't watched that movie in 20 years. But I'm glad that it was good instead of a shitty movie that would have made the comic book store guy and those two fruits happy.

>>82121407

>protecting the fruits of your labor is communist

Yeah dude *inhales marijuana cigarette smoke* everyone should just give away everything for free after 10 years so I can pirate all the movies, music and games I want. I'm totally not a parasite on society or anything bro. Those damn commies not giving away things are though!

>>82116877
they both sounded like autismal faggot nerds

>Waaah dwarves shouldn't listen to negro music!

What a fag.

>>82121548

>ugh you can't have dragons and druids in your work they just don't go together. you see there are different pantheons in folklore....

Tolkien is the guy at the party who obviously doesn't belong and everyone avoids so they don't have to endure a rant about how toadstools symbolize medieval mercantilism.

anyone who is into tolkien and indeed rates any of those fat curly haired faggots with the feet that live in holes, should unironically neck themselves

thank you

>>82115959
>or even brought up in a decent society

Why do Brits hate America so?

>>82116931
Epic Pooh is something everybody should read.

http://www.revolutionsf.com/article.php?id=953

It's up there with the NYT review of Guy Fieri's Time Square restaurant.

>>82121490
Ideals can not be owned. Sorry I don't smoke weed or believe that people can own ideas for an arbitrary amount of time.

You ether own it or don't. Ideas are nether scarce or tagigable. Why not own the idea forever? Is the government fucking you over by "giving" it away?

Also, I believe people with communist intention belong in mass graves. Communist need physically removed.

>>82116986
>A weak and emaciated Tolkien spent the remainder of the war alternating between hospitals and garrison duties, being deemed medically unfit for general service.

Isn't that because he got trench fever when assaulting a trench with his Btn?

>>82121735

>ideals cannot be owned

Disney didn't copyright heroism or family values. They copyright the works they spend years developing. They don't own the idea of making a cartoon but they own the ideas of specific, established cartoons. I don't think you understand copyright and you're just some asshurt piratefag.

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Disney eternally btfo

>>82121878
>Base all your initial success on using ideas that have gone into the public domain
>Once you're successful bribe politicians to make sure nothing ever enters the public domain again

Really makes you think.

>>82116986
>his family basically forced him to join
He must've REEEE'd.

Was curious to see what my favorite kind of anti-Tolkien (in the sense of counter to Tolkien's influence, not opposed to Tolkien) writer thought about JRR Tolkien.
What I found was that George RR Martin wrote an memoriam for him when he died in 1995.
Roger Zelazny didn't deserve to have the hackiest of hacks attempt to wax poetic about his passing.

Do any of you deluded twinks think that Tolkien is literature?

>>82122214
Who will write the Fat Man's euology, complete with a defense of him not finishing his books?

>>82117597
This is why I refuse to adopt any pattern of speech other than what I developed in relative isolation, reading books and listening to my insipid English Professor mother:
it doesn't matter if you sound pretentious, language dictates much of how you digest the world, and adopting a baser medium makes you a baser thing.
Tolkien comes off stuffy to most people because most people are subhuman garbage.

>>82122283
Just smash your face against the keyboard. That's the only thing that would do him justice.

>>82122267
Then only writer better than Tolkien in the 20th century was Bill Watterson

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>>82117358
please gentle sir share more of your collection.

>>82118171
Lewis became a liberal, in short. They disagreed on the Spanish Civil war and things went downhill from there. He later joined the Anglican Church, which compared to pre-Vatican II Catholicism is basically guitar church, when Tolkien converted him from edgy atheism in the first place.
Then he went on to pontificate about things that were insanely out of his depth and lo-and-behold: Tolkien had some serious disagreements.
Lewis is a pop-culture figure, no longer in fashion, and that's it.

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>>82117121
no.

>>82122283
Preston Jacobs

>>82121878
>>82121878
Mickey mouse should be public domain.

Fuck you Disney shill.

>>82122422
http://rocket2saturn.tumblr.com/search/rocket+does+cosplay

>>82122827
i wasn't this hard since i sniffed my sister's neck.

>>82121078
>Communists did not vote for Hillary
The CPUSA has been officially endorsing Democrats for president since at least 1984

>>82116959
His name alone would cream every European girl's panties

>>82118557
Unironically only Disney
Pixar depressingly has gone to trash
DreamWorks is lower tier as always
SomeJapanese animation studios are God tier, but they would put some weird twists in the story

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>>82121157
>>82120844


>it's a 'person who was born in a country and spent 5 seconds there should be considered that nationality despite not being ethnically or culturally from there and not considering themselves to be from there' episode.

>>82121211

sorry, only people from countries with more than 50% white people are allowed to post in this thread, Jamal.

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>>82118544
>That's it! I'm burning Disney to the ground!
>Sees Peyton
>W-well maybe I was too hasty in my judgment

>Clive Staples Lewis was a British novelist, poet, academic, medievalist, literary critic, essayist, lay theologian, broadcaster, lecturer, and Christian apologist
>Christian apologist
We need a holocaust real bad real soon

>>82116047
the guy made multiple mythical languages

it was pure grade autism

>>82115959
>two autistic manchildren complaining about a movie for babies
Are they /ourguys/?

>>82118600
Oh fuck. Are you actually trying to emulate Tolkien's writing style. Cringe.

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>>82124040
>Christian apologist
It's fine, anon.

>>82124211
What a christcuck

>>82117121
The modern Disney company is hated here. Disney the man was pretty based.

>>82123719
Cartoon Saloon could do it

>>82115959
>two nerd hero manchildren vs a literal cultural icon who shaped entertainment for a century.

Hmm.

>>82121094
>implying LOTR isn't for children

>>82121691
Was that restaurant review written by an embittered asshat?

>>82118600
what a fag. lesbian incest is the best kind of incest

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Tolkien would have into sci fi, man vs machine, matrix or terminator style.

>>82121676
Why is the US evidently such an indecent society?

>>82119490
Oh absolutely. Anyone of the Christian threads would be a chance for him to rail against what he thought was degenerate and probably make some great pasta

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>>82119653
thanks.
a qt for you