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Was this really capekino? Or is capekino still only theoretical?

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Was this really capekino? Or is capekino still only theoretical?
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it was capekino and charles life is a depressing fail
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The first capekino. I refuse to take a man dressed up as a bat seriously.
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>>82099991
Sorry, but Batman Begins is not only theoretical.
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>>82099991
It was pretty good, but the ending was unsatisfying. It felt forced and unnatural. It should have been more like Unforgiven, the story of an old man getting the shit beat out of him and fighting through sheer force of will. Instead we got super juice. Rewrite the last act and it would have been great.
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>>82100715
Not Kino see:
>>82100605
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>>82100833
Here you come up against the problem with capekino - you get movies that would have been kino if not for the "cape" element. Logan was as good as it could be considering it's an X-Men movie, and we found out how good that is - it's almost good. *Almost*.
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>>82099991
Only thing I liked was that it was R-rated but the whole "we're old and tired" meme got annoying by the end. It waso wasn't comic booky enough for my liking but then I LOVED X-Men: Apocalype!!!FACT!!!
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>>82101060
>I LOVED X-Men: Apocalype!!!FACT!!!
Sorry buddy but I'm gonna have to discard your opinion.
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>"This has been the most perfect night I've had in a long time"
>"It wasn't me. It wasn't me."
>Charles singing on the pickup truck
>Logan and Laura looking at the grave
>"Daddy"
>Laura fixing the crucifix to form an X
>the entire premise of Logan just waiting for Charles to die so that he could suicide

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtExSE2oOZs
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>>82101293
Is that how Mangold thinks neckbeards think adults think? He may be right, I guess. Self-pity and depletion. Looking down at your feet waiting for death. With a gray beard. That probably is what they think adult movies are like.
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>>82101409
Who the fuck is Mangold? It's evident you'd know more about self-pity and spite more than i or Mangold does.
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>>82101490
(((Mangold))) gave us capekino.
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>>82101490
Thanks for confirming what I said.
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>>82101552
Saying nothing is all too easy here in this age of banal passive-aggression. Nobody can feel up their spine long enough to say what they feel and to speak it plainly.
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It was fine but still it was ALL based around a retarded, forced and obvious plot decision to rest in a civilian house while being chased by very angry bad guys. I understand the humane aspect but Logan could still drive regardless of his condition. Gramps and the kid could eat and sleep in the fucking car.
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>>82100833
This. The first half of the film is practically perfect, but it breaks down as soon as they go and stay at the ranch because it's incredibly contrived. I just cannot imagine Logan in that state agreeing to stay put for a whole night while. But we need a way for X to die to keep the film going. The other kids also ruin the pacing immensely.
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>>82101527
he just watched more movies than you
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>>82099991
>that piece of shit third act
>kino
O I AM LAFFING
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Who were the kids talking to on the radio that were meeting them across the leaf border? Any /co/ lore on this?
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>>82101668
>I just cannot imagine Logan in that state agreeing to stay put for a whole night while.

This along with an untrained Rey standing up to the Order's most menacing fighter are the two biggest logical gaps in otherwise beloved movies.
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>>82099991
A logan thread that's actually a logan thread. Ain't that sumthin
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No one here has ever had anyone hunting for them nor has had to take a very old frail person who could die any moment on a roadtrip. The most difficult decision any one here took today was whether to drink the 300 calorie green bottle or 325 calorie but less sugar red bottle.
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>>82102049
>a very old frail person who could die any moment

>possible death on the road.
>certain death during rest.

great writing
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>>82099991
No. Capekino is still something that could happen but as of this moment does not exist.
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>>82102565
>go on the internet
>imbly
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Capekino:
>Batman Returns (1992)
>Spiderman 1 & 2
>Nolan's trilogy
>Watchmen
>Iron Man 1
>GotG
>Man of Steel
>Logan
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>>82102602
I mean it's obvious that BvS is a cult movie by now, but even then it's still astonishing how much fan art it has
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>>82102424
indeed. the narrative element used in that one is called irony. the certainty lies in the viewer, not the characters. this plebe viewing error is called autism, the inability to filter out what the story presents the viewer versus the actions the characters take based on their own limited awareness.
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>>82099991
take this cape shit over to /co/ manchild...
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>>82101676
There's also a bit of Fury Road choreography in that limo chase sequence, and the prosthetics of the reavers uses a callback to Snowpiercer, especially when frostbite girl froze mma stuntman's arm.
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>>82102771
>limited awareness.

the only thing that's limited is your english.
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>>82103055
same could be said of your technique. how many tryhard posts have you made itt that couldn't catch a you? pssh stay trying brainlet
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>"Illegal mexican children are the future"

Yeehhhno

It ws capekino until that ebin anti drumpf ending
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>>82103146
Shit, I've been found out. Time to abandon and find an easier mark.
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The first act is pretty good then it just a cliche action movie about saving kids. All Logan does is get angry then reluctantly agree to things. Still a good movie, with some great action sequences.
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I fucking hated it. The first half was really great and then the 3rd act was a steaming pile of shit. As soon as the spiclets came on screen the entire movie imploded.

This was above and beyond the most ham fisted political message I've ever seen in a movie. Literally spiclets running for my border while the bad guys are grabbing them and yelling "Don't let them get to them our borger!".
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Good until the kids.
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>>82100833
>>82101668
>The other kids also ruin the pacing immensely.

Yeah, i felt like i saw "logan" for 3/4 of the movie, and suddenly in the end it turned out to be madmax 3, whit the "sending the kids away" plot and shit.
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>>82105454
Except logan doesn't even tell you where they're going.
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>>82105276
>this is what a mental disorder looks like, ravenous obsession
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I honestly can't figure out what's so special about this movie.
Its the fucking x-men universe, mutants with powah.
Up to a point, I could maybe buy Batman's moral dilemmas universe and
blue naked guy as criticism of whole superhero idea,
if you look at it at that certain way, you can fill Tom&Jerry with depth and insist that's " kino" among cartoons.
Purely as an average guy, all superhero movies should be made as Deadpool(funny,over the top and forgettable),
everything else is too much.
Also, there is one capeshit kino movie and that's Super, a movie about betacuck with mental issues thinking he is
superhero because he can't handle his shitty life so he is "granted superpowers " to even the odds.
That's all there is to it
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>>82105857
browsing /pol/ for so long really did a number on guys like him, didnt it?
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>>82102640

Remove GotG and add Batman v Superman and Batman 89. Also maybe Ang Lee's Hulk.
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probably the closest it can get, but capeshit is inherently incapable of being kino
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>>82106442
>being a kinotard after Reddit stole the meme and made it their own

So basically your opinion is shit
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Original Capekino.
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>>82106464
You're***
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>>82106332
>I honestly can't figure out what's so special about this movie.
No one thinks its special per say, but it's good because it doesn't come off as tropey as the previous films. It's not about saving the world or whatever with 20 different people all cluttering the scene. It's about a mutant man who is 200 years old waiting for his last friend to die so he can kill himself. It's good, simple drama that happens to involve mutants with abilities. It's a lot more 'real' and emotionally engaging than most capeshit, which is why people loved it.

Also pic related.
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>>82106477

more like flopkino

should've been animated
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>>82106491
>you're = you are

Yup, redditor kinotard
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>the farmer tried to shoot Logan too right before he died
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>>82106782
Why the fuck wouldn't he? Logan is miserable cunt who should've been put down ages ago. All he does is create problems.
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It's above average capeshit. Visually it is far better than all of them. I wouldn't rate it higher than The Winter Soldier though.
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I liked it but the villians were so lackluster compared to how much screen time they got.For an instance, Boyd Holbrook's character was portrayed as someone who is going to be a major force againts Logan but he felt like a throwaway character that mostly didnt nothing.The film lacked a strong villian that much they had to resort to fanservice by cloning Logan.It was pretty lame in my opinion.But i liked it overall.
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>>82107264
mostly did*
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>>82107264
Boyds character was honestly cool as fuck, I wish he was better utilized.
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>>82107264
>>82107615
yeah he should have had more quips, maybe hit on a girl henchmen and do a wheelie on a dirtbike like cool bro it would of been hella frickin epic bromeisters
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It's better than your average capeshit fare, but it's overrated as fuck just because it's a half competent superhero film.
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>>82101409
>Mangold doesn't know how a 250+ year old man waits for death
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>>82101409
Nice projection
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>>82102640
Spider-Man 1 is the most unintentionally funny movie I have ever seen. Cried laughing last time I watched it
>THINK ABOUT IT
>HEEEROOOO
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Good movie ruined by the contrived as fuck farm scene, the kids, and the kid's annoying, screechy voice.
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>>82108607
>unintentionally
check out this unintentional newfag
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>>82108875
I'm not talking about the horrible jokes and attempts at comedy the movie makes. I'm talking about the parts you're supposed to take seriously, like the deaths of Uncle Ben and Osborne.
The acting is so fucking bad-- the "comedic" scenes in the movie are the least funny things about it.
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Leftshit propaganda.
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>>82099991
Caliban, someone who used to hunt and exterminate mutants, died a hero.

Xavier, someone who found a home and a place to care for mutants of all shapes and sizes died like a bitch.

Wolverine, a man who walked a grey moral path all his life died like a normal man.


Hmm, really makes you think doesn't it my friends from 4chan?
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>>82108971
Being impaled on a log after fighting a clone of yourself is dying like a "normal man"?
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>>82108912
You really think you have sharper comedic sense than Raimi and Defoe? Think about it, hero. Sleeep.
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>>82109116
I think it's more likely that it's a comedically bad movie than a genius satire. Do you have anything to back your theory up?
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>>82109014
I lost my grandfather and uncle to clone induced log impalement.
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>>82109154
I know it's more likely you have no idea about the body of work those two have, and that the truest definition of satire is there always has to be somebody who cannot see the joke because they are the butt of it
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>>82109240
I think you're inserting meaning into a bad movie because you're ashamed of liking it so much.
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>>82109240
no ur a butt
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Only Snyder can create capekino

Logan is capeprettygood though
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Post more dafne picks you fuckers
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>>82109271
>>82109285
it's no wonder 4chan's level of humor has dropped drastically with the reddit colonization, who couldn't even process they are being made fun off as they are entertained, by a coloring book movie no less
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>>82109512
If anything, wouldn't the movie be making fun of the people who genuinely enjoy it and take it seriously? I'm saying the movie is funnybad.
>reddit colonization
Sorry bud, I've been on 4chan for over 8 years now. What about you?
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>>82101668
>>82105454

One of my biggest problems with the kids is how badly they job it when the soldiers are attacking them.

Like fuck, they were raised to be the same kind of soldier Laura was, and she's the only one carving soldiers like turkeys while the rest just take potshots with their pissy powers?

The soldiers' "lol we'll just jog up to them and tackle them, no tranq darts or anything" is one plothole, the second is that the kids should have been making lethal force a necessity by fucking up so many of their attackers.
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>>82109560
>funnybad
>he says as he bandies his e-credentials while apologizing
evidently not. are you going to pullout your /. id card next?
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>>82102640
take off Iron manlet and Reddit of the galaxy and you're gold
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>>82109608
>Like fuck, they were raised to be the same kind of soldier Laura was, and she's the only one carving soldiers like turkeys while the rest just take potshots with their pissy powers?
To be fair, one of Laura's powers is her "berserker rage", is it not? I agree, though, the kids were the worst part of the movie.
>>82109633
What are you babbling about now?
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>>82109662
all your cringe, reddit, while you try to ignore how badly a coloring book satire movie took you for a ride
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>>82109701
You never answered my question from earlier. Also what do you mean by "took you for a ride"? I enjoyed how bad the movie is. Also you keep using the term "coloring book movie" instead of actually explaining anything. Do you have autism? Is this reddit thing a projection?
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>>82109347
>Only Snyder can create capekino
>Logan is capeprettygood though

The truth has been spoken. Christopher Nolan, Zack Snyder and David S. Goyer are the only true prophets of capekino.
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>>82109662

>To be fair, one of Laura's powers is her "berserker rage", is it not?

That's probably true, but still, they were all raised to be remorseless killing machines. And the impression I got from the kids before the final act was that they were self-sufficient and trained beyond what their age would imply.

It was just a bit of a letdown.
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>>82109728
What question? I've given you enough to start your own query. And what will you offer for another answer?
>mfw giving satire tutorials to a non-english speaker millennial who's never been taken for a ride
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>>82109751
What were you expecting?
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>>82109815
You haven't shown any evidence that the movie is a satire. I asked how long you've been here for-- but you know that already, and you're intentionally dodging the question. Now you'll lie about it if you answer the question at all.
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>>82109854
Where are you from?
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This thread is embarassing.
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>>82109887
Nice rebuttal. Still dodging the question and still no evidence the movie is satire. Fuck off now
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>>82109918
>You haven't shown any evidence that the movie is a satire.
Now THIS statement is unintentionally funny. Think about it, hero.
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>>82109846

In summary, a team of new proto-Xmen turning the cruel training they had been subjected to against their tormentors and putting up at least a spectacular fight before getting taken down by numbers/superior tech.

Basically like Laura's first fight against the Reavers but with a whole team of the kids.
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>>82109956
How long are you going to keep using your macro replies instead of backing up a word you say?
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>>82109982
>please backup my lack of sense of humor
Go on, hero who has never been taken for a ride. We might get somewhere, eventually.
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>>82110026
My lack of sense of humor? I told you the movie was funny. What are you on about? Just dodging questions again and not backing anything up?
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>>82110046
Then you do see it as two artists having a laugh at the expense of people who are
>supposed to take [scenes] seriously, like the deaths of Uncle Ben and Osborne.
and who seriously opine without blush or bluster that
>The acting is so fucking bad
What else is bothering you?
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>>82109974
How many child-soldiers do you know couping their commanding officers?
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>>82109974
It's a fair expection m8, and all the more annoying when you think about. Not only does it take the focus off of Logan and Laura (you know, the best part of the film), but there's no pay off at all from focusing on the kids. What little we did see of their powers looked cringy and unconvincing. Fuck it hurts. Movie was literally a 10/10 up until they leave the casino.
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>>82110168

... what does that have to do with anything?

Showing the kids coordinating and cooperating to take on superior numbers with creative usage of their powers would have been good for a number of reasons:

>Makes perfect sense considering being born, raised, and trained as supersoldiers + fantastical powers
>Been a satisfyingly karmic way of turning Pierce and Rice's treatment of them against their abusers
>A sort of "passing of the torch" showing the kids have/will become in effect a reborn X-Men team, giving some hope for the future
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I'm pretty sure you can watch cast and director interviews from Spiderman, and no-one hints at some sort of deeper message. They made a fun superhero flick and are happy with that.

I'm not sure if this anon is attempting to be satirical himself or is just a mindless "one level above yours" contrarian.
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>>82110389
All this is coming from your comic book sensibility of what a child-soldier is, nevermind one kid already jumped from the roof because he didn't want to be a child-soldier, as well as the need for adults to whisk le super hardened child killers you envision away to safety because they couldn't fight their captors in the first place.

If they could have fought as what you think they are capable of, they would have already fought inside the facility and taken over.
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>>82099991
how is Xavier still alive in this kino?
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>>82110478
>jokes must be explained in dvd commentaries
ah another butt of the joke. there really is a surprising lot of them, what's more they get angery when it's even hinted that a children's coloring book movie flew past them but also that it was intentionally made to do so, because that was part of the joke
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>>82110517
He mind controls himself into being alive.
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>>82110494

Yeah I guess you're right. It was much better watching the kids waddling around squealing in fright in defiance of all previously-established behavior.

Nevermind that Laura herself went through the same training as the rest of them and came out exactly the kind of child-soldier you're deriding, or that beforehand the kids were implied to be in a similar vein by all the scenes in Eden, or that at least twice in the final act they showed themselves as both capable and willing to employ their powers lethally against their aggressors, but those scenes were awkward and clunky and contrasted with them, again, running around squealing.
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>>82109238
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>>82109238

I'd like a greentext of this, tbqh
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For a movie that seems to pride itself on departing from the comic book movie mould, the bad guys were super one dimensional and 'comic booky'. Sure they might have been more violent than most villains we've seen in the past, but that doesn't change the fact that we feel absolutely no sympathy for them.

Upping the violence only works if we're challenged by it in some way, but here it was just Wolvie carving through mindless goons. The narrative would have worked a lot better if there was some level of sympathy for the villains.
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>>82110838
Why do you have to be passive-aggressive like that when you're shown your basic error in basic plot comprehension, i figured you for a neckbeard but now you are repping as numale?

The corporation's director even said something about rage being the untrainable component all clones prior to Cloneverine lacked, the entire reason why that batch of kids were about to be terminated for fuck's sake. How many plot details of kid movies have so far bamboozled you, must be in the hundreds now. Get a grip on yourself man you are embarrassing /tv/
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>>82099991
>only theoretical
You mean hypothetical. Theory implies it's agreed upon.

Also, Logan isn't a capeflic
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>>82111090

Countering the way a point's made rather than the point itself, I see.

>the entire reason why that batch of kids were about to be terminated for fuck's sake

Besides rebelling against them whenever they could and/or trying to kill themselves, you mean.

The program managed to create almost exactly what they wanted in Laura, who only retained some humanity through the influence of the nurses. The corporation was obviously training *all* the kids to use their powers lethally, the nurse's video and Laura's affinity for fighting confirm it. Why is it unreasonable to expect that the rest of the kids act at least somewhat similarly to her, having all gone through the exact treatment and training she did?
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>Charles mentions the statue of liberty, with Logan claiming it was a long time ago
>however this is the last movie chronologically, so the first movie's plot has been deleted from the timeline along with all the others pre-DoFP

????????????
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>>82111510
That's not a counter, that's a comment on how you present yourself. I'll keep making those whenever I feel like calling you out on it.

Why did you turn out on 4chan while your classmates moved on to having kids and careers when you had all gone through the exact treatment and training you did?

Again the comic book sensibilities. There is a basic ignorance here about people who commit murder for self-preservation as opposed to people who murder out of a sense of duty, obligation or ego-satisfaction such as rage. One is human even animal instinct, the others are what the movie's corporation and real world professional armies want from their soldiers. Everything the kids did, they consistently did from the former. That's why they are fucking kids who are fleeing.
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>>82111747
How much does a continuity editor get paid, do you think? Is it a decent stepping stone to a screenwriting career?
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>>82101827
RCMP waiting to situate the kids from an intolerant and jingoistic America.
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>>82099991
>>82099991
>theoretical
He hasn't seen the Snyderverse
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Should this thread influence me?
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>>82102640

>Spiderman 1 & 2

They suck dick dude
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>>82111748

I can't help but thinking that the skills and training impressed upon them their entire lives would have served their self-preservation better than running around squealing with their arms flailing. Whether or not the "remorseless killer" instinct stuck as well as it did with Laura they still had the ability to fight back simply by going through their training (though in at least two instances when they did use their powers they pulped/murdered their targets without hesitation, so obviously something stuck).

What would the problem or complaints been if they had fought back like we've described? "That's not how kids act", simply countered with "That's not how kids who haven't gone through what these kids went through would act". It would have altogether just fit better, plotwise and thematically.
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>>82111747
In the same way all the mutants get wiped out in both timelines: roughly the same major events happening but in different ways.
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>>82112796
Rehash. If the kids could le epic battle like the way you want to direct it, they wouldve done so when they were about to be summarily aborted because le remorseless killer clone obsoletes them, ergo no need for the Laura part of the story and the other two old men could have died peacefully in their dustbowl shack.
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>>82112945

What would "le epic battle" at the facility have solved or prevented that it didn't? They'd still need to escape from the heart of enemy territory, cross the country, and reach safe harbor. Laura could still have been separated (I'm not saying the kids should have been an infallible force, just more capable than they were presented) and her caretaker would still need to seek out Logan's help.
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When Charles insists on eating dinner with that black family, that's the exact moment the movie goes to shit.

No, not because they're black, idiot.
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>>82099991
It was pretty good. I was rewatching the old X-Men movies and one of the best parts is Logan being a father figure.
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>>82113225
There wouldn't be any enemy left if every kid coordinated and cooperated to take on superior numbers with creative usage of their powers such as a team of new proto-Xmen turning the cruel training they had been subjected to against their creators for le epic spectacular comic book fightan bishybashan. After remorselessly killing le army of reavers, everything mexico could offer as resistance would be anticlimatic.

Nah this inching the goalposts no longer interesting, I can sense that is all you have left. im out.
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Are there convincing opinions in this thread?
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>capekino
Go back to t/v/itter
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>>82113570

You're running out of arguments if that's the best one you can come up with, m8. Why would you assume that every security asset in what is obviously a huge Weyland-Yutani-esque corporation is concentrated solely at this one facility? Though tellingly, you seem to think the driving force behind the bad guys is Mexico.

Face it, m80, it was a poor decision to turn the kids into jobbers. My issue isn't that they all should have been gung-ho "get some!" killers, my issue is that they should have been, at the very least, able to fight and defend themselves in a better manner than what was portrayed.
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>>82113793
Why are you assuming the kids can le power up for the finale against an armored platoon yet deny them the same laughable power up against the very same force bereft of their heavy vehicle-mounted firearms inside the facility? There are so many assumptions you inserted and ive gamely allowed in this postchain for it to even reach this absurd point.

The kids aren't and were never written to be up to your power rangers expectations, the movie isn't even about that, accept it. It speaks more of your petty and entitled posturing to pour so many laughable words and scenarios over this minor point of the story than anything else affecting the narrative integrity of the movie.
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>>82113793
So it sounds more like you have an issue with the stunt choreography, and maybe the production's unwillingness to spend more on vfx for the powers of the mutie kids.
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>>82109489
They banned everybody in the last thread. You'll probably have to wait 3 days.
>>82106503
Good taste.
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>>82099991
*capeshit.
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>>82099991
nope

it was OK. better than the usual capeshit but nothing special beyond that.

I dont really understand all the praise its getting, I'd put it on the level of maybe X-men 1-2 or Batman Begins which are some of the better capeshitters
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>>82108971
>Caliban, someone who used to hunt and exterminate mutants, died a hero.
i wish pierce didnt survive that
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>>82102640
Lose Man of Steel and add Darkman
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>>82114379

Well again, besides being out of character and a letdown after spending the whole movie with Laura, it seems a missed opportunity thematically. Not only suggesting the formation of an effective new team of X-Men, but attributing their effectiveness, ironically, to skill and training impressed upon them by the same anti-Mutant people who wiped out their kind, and turning it against them.

Now that you bring it up that does seem a likely reason such a thing wasn't implemented, a shortcut to save on some cash. Hell the two or three times they did use their powers were extremely clunky.

Just more reasons the third act almost rekt the whole film. The cross scene might've saved it though
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>>82099991
I really like these old style posters. I remember they did one for Captain America too. It was great.
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>>82115000

>I dont really understand all the praise its getting

>Character is built up over 8 films, and tangentially by years of comics
>Viewers come into Logan with all that pre-built connection to the character
>Film takes advantage of connection to brutalize character
>That connection compounds the empathy thus creating a more overwhelming emotional reaction
>Viewers take it as the film being simply so good it effortlessly reached them rather than a concerted effort by all the films/comics beforehand

It's kind of cheating, like killing off a dog for the same effect.
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>>82116744
It's by Dave Rapoza. Everybody on /ic/ has been sucking his cock for years. He's a pretty great artist.
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>>82116744
>>82116827
Laura looks like she has downs in this poster.
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>>82108971
>blowing yourself up with a grenade and not killing any of the bad guys is "dying like a hero"
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>>82100715
That movie is not the good Batman.
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>>82106477
Corny as all fuck, but I love the atmosphere Johnston creates in his movies, so I guess that's pretty kino.

It also makes me nostalgic for a classic America I will never get to experience.
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>>82099991
nope only theoretical
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Watchmen it's the only Capekino
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I agree with all the complaints and criticisms you guys have with the movie.

I still think it fucking ruled. It. Fucking. Ruled.

It wasn't Capekino; it was Superkino.
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>>82120857
I agree. It's clear to see that there was an agenda, Mangold said as much. And it's also clear to see that the kids aside from Dafne sucked fuckin ass. I still loved the movie more than anything I've seen in a long time.
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>>82106477
the only correct answer
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>>82121443
NO LEWD
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>>82119975
Watchmen was great but it left a ton of source material out. It would have been better if they had the aliens.
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