Just finished The Red Pill. Wow.

Is that the one where feminists see how miserable men are ?

Is it possible to have half blue, half red pill?

>>82060474

*raises paw*

Uhhh...you take the black pill, because you're a nigger

>>82060474
No but there's this really great thing called growing the fuck up and not treating politics like team sports

>>82060474
Great question, would anyone like to answer?

>>82059467
This was a very entertaining movie

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>>82060504

>>82060474
is there a purple pill? not sure if it's actually true, but I heard it on the grapevine

>>82060474
it's called the purple pill and it's taken when you think you've found that elusive special unicorn of a girl you'd like to settle down with

>>82060523
this

>>82060561
if you enjoy the pain of others, maybe

>>82060523
>>82060705
>le enlightened fence sitter xD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB_omHQwYh8
>>82060601
you're a snownigger

>>82060474
No, because the pills contain liquid and you can't break them half as the contents would spill.

>>82060474
>>82060601
Fuck off my board tripshits.

>>82060804
low IQ tribalist detected

>>82060474
>>82060601
kill yourself tripfag. You know she'd want you to

>>82060804
>fence sitter meme
yeah dude extremism is so much better xD

>>82060523
Still not over that drubbing you took in November, eh?

>>82060954
>>82060996
>that shitty half-assed reply to getting outed as a pseudo-intellectual dummy
kek

>>82060954
>>82060996
So you admit to not having any convictions whatsoever?

Good to know, I don't usually waste my time on more than one reply to people with no backbone.

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Obligatory.

And whether you're left/right shouldn't matter, the cunts and opponents of this movie have been using kike tactics to have this movie silenced- only to give it more credibility!

>>82061082
I have many convictions, the left and right can be correct about different things, but they are also both full of bullshit. Can you really not see that?

>>82061195
I was spitting this pseudo intellectual drivel when I was 16. Grow up. What's next, calling people sheeple?

>>82060523

piece of shit FUCK YOU the fate of western civilization balances on my memes youre either with us or against us

>>82061146
>Obligatory.
>
>And whether you're left/right shouldn't matter, the cunts and opponents of this movie have been using kike tactics to have this movie silenced- only to give it more credibility!
Central leaning liberals would probably be more interested in joining in if you cucks didn't try to put us in the same group as these cunts.

>>82061146

Since im not autistic and can read facial expressions some people purse their mouths when angry or agitated

hope this helped anon :3

>>82061419
You seem to be autistic if you consider that an "angry or agitated" mouth.

Hope this helped, anon :3

>>82061263
You're projecting. I don't think I'm saying anything controversial here. Surely you have seen both left and right blatantly lie about shit? It's obvious neither can be perfect and you have to vote practically with that in mind.

Nevermind, I mean I'm so so sorry I'm not mature enough like you to vote the same way no matter what

Life is too short to worry about trying to fit your feelings on love and life into a color of a pill.

Eventually people on both sides of this become their worst enemy and it is self fulfilling.

Who hasn't gone on shitty dates, had their heart broken, been taken advantage of? It seems like the MGTOW crowd can't deal with not getting the best of someone everytime. They have a fear of failure and rejection it seems.

>>82061328
Probably. It's too easy to get caught up in strawmanning the other side.

>>82061419
No, you think?
It's better being autistic than one of the faggot orbiters that have nothing better to do with themselves than empower these hideous creatures.

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>>82060474

I got you famalamajama

>>82061517
>Projecting
Now I got you spewing buzzwords. Jesus Christ you really need to grow up and find your backbone somewhere.

>>82061517
what the fuck does any of this Red Bill shit have to do with voting you sperg

stop taking pills

>>82061494

wow did I hit a nerve? It's ok to be on the spectrum our society is much more understanding

>>82060523
>>No but there's this really great thing called growing the fuck up and not treating politics like team sports

adolescence is believing in individualism and freedom of choice

adulthood is accepting that tribal action is unironically the most effective way of maintaining and fostering material prosperity, despite its ingrained flaws

>>82059467
>tfw I share a city with this broad
>tfw a fucking leaf

>>82061572
lol I'm not even the person you're responsing to, but wtf are you arguing. OP just said that he believes both sides have fair points, and that maybe one should be issue based rather than adopting a single party philosophy. How the fuck is that edgy?

>>82061614
Lol this butthurt troll nerd got outed as stupid and autistic. Get fucking rekt!

>>82061667
>has to samefag to further cement his teenager, spineless, juvenile interpretation of the world
Inb4 some lame attempt at a shoop.

>>82061629
>adulthood is accepting that tribal action is unironically

adulthood is just voting with your wallet for the party that supports your profession.

If you're a civil engineer you want the party that is going to nation build the fuck out of the middle east.

If you're a lawyer you want the party that is going to oppose tort reform.

>>82061521
I'm kinda MGTOW after having a bunch of sex but so few relationships, none of which were healthy.
I'm not flying the mgtow flag but I see enough shit to where I don't need to bother. Single parenthood, rape accusations, gold digging, plus the fact that some of the more chadlier nerds have married most of the good alt/awkward women around here.

Refusing to settle for a woman with a child. Not a kid person I guess because I was never really allowed to be a kid and I'm fucked up for it. That plus my temperament is an automatic DQ for any type of fatherhood role.

>>82061572
>calling me pseud
>acting like an oh-so-mature pseud
>literally compare yourself to me
>not projection
Also, cool counter argument. I guess we're done here.

>>82061577
I'm not the one who brought it up

>>82060954
>>82060996
t. someone who doesnt realize its them or us

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>>82059467
This dude is the most correct person in the doc. Everyone has their own problems and it's unreasonable to start debating about which gender has more privilege/biases when they clearly exist in many forms and aspects of life.

>>82061082
>So you admit to not having any convictions whatsoever?

There is a middle ground between partial birth abortions and forcing rape victims to bring a fetus to term. There is a middle ground between banning water pistols with high capacity assault clips and selling AR-15s to the mentally ill. There is a middle ground between being a degenerate with a victim complex who thinks "fascism" means "things I don't like", and worshiping a fucking cartoon frog.

"Conviction" doesn't mean going to the absolute extreme in one direction or the other. Conviction is standing by whatever the fuck your ideals are regardless of wherever the fuck they fall on the spectrum.

You are a fucking retard regurgitating shit you read on an online echo chamber, just like the braindead antifa faggots you bitch about. Now grow the fuck up or go back to /pol/.

>>82060474

It's actually pathetic that you haven't killed yourself yet and continue on with your joke of an existence. Keep going..it's actually making me laugh knowing a joke like you bothers to even stay alive.

>>82061706
>Reducing the entirety of your "argument" to "NO U" and buzzwords
Yeah, grow up. I'd say screencap this and look back at it in a few years, but you sound like you're really stupid too, not just young.

>>82061802
See >>82060804
Try harder to sound smart, you pseudo intellectual autist.

>>82060504
>>82060523
>>82060525
>>82060610
>>82060688
>>82060804
>>82060890
>>82060977
Please, NEVER reply to trips.

>>82059467
I liked it too, although much of what was cited in the movie I already knew a lot about thanks to 4chan.

>>82060474
No. It's either truth or lies. There's nothing in between these two really.

>>82061855
>a single two word sentence
>my entire argument
Meanwhile you have no argument and are just repeating "grow up" and "backbone" over and over. Learn to read.

So i guess we're not talking about the movie then

>>82061970
If you're OP, sorry. What did you think about it beyond just "wow"? Give us something to build off of.

>>82061696
so these people form groups (lobbying groupes, maybe unions or something) and pool resources to enact/enforce these policies for material gain.

a civil engineer by themvelves likely won't be able to do it, but a lot will. boom, tribalism.

>>82061962
I thought we were "done here"? Goes to show that I was right about you being spineless and having no convictions whatsoever.

>>82060523
The problem is that when you idolize freedom, you don't know what it entails. You're not aware of the implications of freedom, nor the responsibilities that come with it. It's nice to be all libertarian and "hey man, we're like equal maaan." because it masks the reality of the situation. It masks the reality that many many people should not have power, because they cannot or will not handle their shit correctly. You know it, everyone around knows it. Look at twitter or social media. Look at them.

Look at capeshit fans, at people that still drone out to the hum of the TV. The idiots that blindly consume whatever garbage Marvel or Disney shit out. The 600 lb "humans" that still exist because medical technology has advanced to damn near magic. How about all of the vapid youtubers that shill their shit here? How about all of the retarded celebrities? Like Leslie Jones. All the illiterate spics and niggers? They vote. Their voice, as far as the system is concerned, is as equal as yours.

You're going to come down from up high to bitch about how you're better than everyone else, but at the end of the day, you still have to face the man in the mirror.

>>82061889
>tee hee I don't need actual rebuttal

The amusing thing about people like you is that you start out sincere, then when you realize you've said stupid shit, you're totally out of your depth, and you'll clearly get the verbal equivalent of a curb-stomping in an actual debate, you default to troll mode and convince yourself that you didn't really care in the first place. That's how utterly fragile your ego is.

>>82062118
>The problem is that when you idolize freedom, you don't know what it entails.
>Look at capeshit fans

lmao

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>>82062072
Again, not an argument, just lazy trolling.
>I don't usually waste my time on more than one reply
At least the time wasting was mutual my extremely convicted friend

>>82062143
>Troll-mode
>Utterly fragile
Coming from a limpwristed faggot who's take at the entirety of modern politics is simply "compromise and pick no sides", that's mighty rich. Grow up or go peddle this shit to tumblr.

>>82062219
Considering you've made absolutely no argument in the entirety of this discussion and had to resort to samefagging, it's really silly of you to demand anything that isn't me shitting on you.

>>82060474
tripfag end yourself

>>82062255

ur stupid as fuck dude

>>82064947
>Has to reply 2 hours later to try to save face
Kys

>>82065320

lol ur so stupid u cant comprehend more than 1 person thinks your stupid as fuck

>>82065881
Come back again in 3 hours to try to save face, dummy

i hav vagina sures thems goes to heaven eccehuomo

I would agree, but you missed the biggest retards in the room, anyone who likes anime.

>>82059467
I wanted to see this but retards in Australia got it banned.

Where can I watch this online?

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>>82060474
Yes. Just like gender, pill color is on a spectrum with endless gradients between the extremes.

>>82061146
Even real life feminists ik have fish mouths

>>82067911
>retards in Australia got it banned
on what grounds?

>>82070081
On disagreeing with some Australians.

Ozzies are 100% pozz. They keep shitposting on 4chan about "huh WE R FULL FOCK OFF CUNT" bullshit while getting massively fucked by massive LEGAL immigration. Guns are evil too, despite the fact that Australia has never had huge problems with those and anti-gun campaigns were all driven by false narrative about American homicides. On every step the state nannies you, soon you won't be able to tie your shoes without asking some fucking civil servant for permission.

And they want more of this shit. More and more. It never stops.

The guys who come here are wannabe Crocodil Dundee's who have literally 0 civil courage and create image of that country being somehow full of tough people.

>>82067911
It was rated M, seems like it's just a few cinemas that refuse to show it.

>>82061521
>Life's too short to worry about not having human rights

>>82059467
Aren't there nudes and a sex tape of her?

where 2 watch this

>>82059467
The Red Pill...

...starring Big Red.

>>82070226
Also the abos cuck them constantly, and their average IQ is 60. That should tell you a lot about aussies.

>>82060474
Delete this post before the newfags try it

That creates mustard gas

The documentary? Has it been released yet?

>>82059467
So why isnt there a torrent of this documentary on the internets

>>82059467

Am I the only one who thought she was sexy?

>>82060804
Heh, but I did pick a side. What? You think there are only 2 sides? What a ridiculous notion indeed.

It is called the false dichotomy logical fallacy, it's a thing.

looks like I was smarter than you all along

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>>82061698
fuuck, your situation is not only unremarkably common, it's really easy to fall into as well.

I mean I dont WANT to become MGTOW myself but I just find that the effort that goes into marriage and kids compared to the rewards and the possibility of catastrophy failure in regards to the kids is a prohibitive risk. Can you imagine having a snowflake child? like, some preteen asking for money so they can buy a dildo or some shit? I couldn't take it.

>>82061668
>rekt!

Confirmed 12 year old B&

>>82061082
I bet if the left created a talking point of how delicious ice cream is you would spam /pol/ with how much you hate ice cream.

>>82071623
Its the american mind set. Their political system only allows for two sides. They were born and raised with liberals vs conservatives, republicans vs democrats. And theses /pol/ faggots believe they are redpilled because what, they reject liberalism?

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>>82071767
it's propaganda from canadian big dairy to prop up NAFTA, which Trump is trying to renegociate.

I don't have time to educate you

>pills are on a spectrum

>Men's rights

Jeez, why don't you just grow up you manbabies and be a man, get a wife

>>82059467
Anyone else wanna bang Big Red? Does she have porn?

>>82060474
Yes, willful ignorance in the face of the truth.
>>82060523
>le neutral meme
Society is developed through opposing ideas. If you dont take a side, you are not helping to fix the mechanism that you and every other fence sitter claims is broken. The best ideas will never overtake the lesser ones if the ideas never come into contact with one another.

Kill everyone in this thread.

>>82061521
MGTOW is an extreme, i'll give you that. Imo they have a good idea going in the sense of "a man should take care of himself first" but denying the opposite sex entirely (especially when the pursuit of said opposite sex is arguably the only concrete "meaning of life" we can prove) just seems stupid and overreactive.

>>82071558
>>82072052
mynigger.jpg

>>82072052
she looks like she would be a submissive whore in bed, I can't say I wouldn't...

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>tfw the boogieman of the altright is a fabrication used by the mainstream media to marginalize and pigeonhole any opposition
>tfw it was actually the alt-left disillusioned by the corporate buyout of their democratic party by foreigners and the sabotage of their championed candidate in order to get a literal puppet into the white house who ended up turning the tied in the favor of trump as both a fuck you to the democratic party and also the hope that wildcard is better than someone you know to be corrupt
>tfw the media won't ever EVER accept responsibility for alienating half the country by labeling everyone who doesn't agree with them on every issue a bigot or a nazi
>meanwhile they regularly paint "freedom fighters" in the mideast committing atrocities against christians, jews, athiests and other mulsims as the good guys and the one sole government directly opposing them as the badguy
>tfw we live in a world where any criticism of said media can be shrugged off as trolling, sexism and racism and you are marginalized into a group of people who have no real-world impact on anything
>tfw the media keeps talking about and inflating completely irrelevant race issues when the economy is fucking up constantly and allowing corporations to buy up the land beneath you and own your property that you paid for and literally shut down your farming equipment if you want to repair it on your own

>>82072176

But MGTOW isn't about never having sex again, or dating, it's just not getting married

>>82072488

It's just a coincidence that they don't get laid.

>>82072537
anybody can pay for it

>>82072537

A lot of them do get laid, and a lot of them were married and got fucked in the divorce courts

>>82072551

Yeah that's healthy. Sign me up for MGTOW.

>>82072553

Shitty people marry shitty people and have shitty things happen. Shocking.

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>>82071734
>Can you imagine having a snowflake child? like, some preteen asking for money so they can buy a dildo or some shit? I couldn't take it.
There's an easy solution if that happens

>>82072710

>50% of marriages end in divorces
>at least 50% of women are shitty

huh

>>82072674
at that point you already consider relationships and sex transactional, so it's nothing extraordinary to do in order to satisfy their libido.

chads and beta nu-males also see sex as transactional, they're just willing to jump the hoops to get it and face the social humilliation of failing when they don't.

>>82072553
>alot of mgtows get laid

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>>82061802
>There is a middle ground

Fallacy of the middle position.

I guess we shouldn't have extremes like no nuclear war and mutually assured destruction, since limited nuclear war is the middle position, it must be correct.

>>82072755

Yes I'd say most women and most men are shitty vain people who don't know what it takes to keep a relationship working. They conflate love with sex and when that sexual attraction wains they inevitably grow apart. They're shitty selfish people doing what shitty selfish people do and it's not entirely their fault. It's how they were raised. MGTOW isn't stopping, it's only giving men another outlet to be shitty and selfish.

>>82060523
You first lefty.

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>>82060804
If you aren't far left or far right you are a fence sitter

>people don't get called out for saying reddit pill any more

neo-4chan on the loose, thanks jay irwin

>>82072865
The fallacy of the middle position is: "the middle is necessarily the best, full stop." The middle can be the best, or it can not be the best, depending on relevant facts. /pol/ tards don't understand what fallacies mean because they're fucking retards. Most intellectuals are "centrists" because when it comes to human affairs, extreme solutions are rarely rational and rarely take into consideration all relevant facts. The reason wannabe-sociopaths like /pol/ tards regularly come to extremist conclusions is that they only consider one side of every issue. When you ignore every single fact that doesn't support your agenda, obviously your conclusions are going to be skewed toward one extreme or the other. The reason dumb people are rarely "centrists" is that intellectual honesty is difficult and mentally taxing. It's difficult to admit that an issue is far more complex than whatever you want to believe, because simplicity is very conducive to agenda-pushing. If things are simple, the solution is clear and morality is of little concern. People like this tend to flip-flop from favoring complexity to favoring simplicity at the drop of a hat, whenever each is more convenient, regardless of the actual level of complexity of the issue.

>>82072995
le reddit meme
muh website wars XDDD
judge by content not because of 4chan or reddit,
btw old 4chan was pretty faggy, yet nobody actually talks about it

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>>82060474
>krager

>>82073156
Nice try reddit. We are judging you by the content of your posts. The content is reddit.

>>82061629
True wisdom is when you realize Marx was right all along.

>>82061791
I felt so bad for him and his kid. I would like to see an interview with the mother, however.

>>82062118
>many many people should not have power
I'd rather give Leslie Jones power over you

>>82070913
>>82071520
>>82071557
>>82067911

http://www.thepiratebay.se.net/torrent/17011917/The_Red_Pill-HD.mp4

>>82062118
Anything is better than giving power to people who like fascism. Managing society is always going to be a problem of lesser evils. One visit to places like /pol/ is all you need to recognize that literally anything, anything is better than giving people like that influence. People like that are also never satisfied, so even if you don't think their gripes are with you, that's only a temporary state of affairs.

>>82072035
you're thinking of MGTOW

>>82061521
this is a film about Men's rights to seeing their children after a divorce and so on

>>82061802
lol you sound like a fag or something

>>82060523
This, cant you be pro choice while be pro 2nd amendment? Is that fence sitting?

>>82072746
Talk about using a sledgehammer to crack a nut

>>82073868

The debate over abortion is whether or not all human beings have an equal right to life. A fence sitter position on abortion would be something like "I'm personally not okay with abortion but I'm not going to stop other people from having them." By taking this position they're actually engaging in the debate, they're merely trying to avoid taking a position.

You wouldn't be a fence sitter for being pro-choice and pro second amendment because they're entirely separate debates.

>>82074083
>By taking this position they're actually engaging in the debate

I meant to say " they're NOT actually engaging in the debate

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>>82060474
Yeah, it's called being a well-adjusted, educated adult.

>"B-B-B-BUT MUH STRONG CONVICTIONS!!11!!!!1!"

>>82074156
So becoming an adult means giving up on everything you stand for?

When's this snarky centrism you're convinced of going to wear off?

>>82074183
Sometimes the things you stand for just mean you're stupid. For example, being a /pol/ tard or an SJW.

>>82073222
trips of truth

>>82074083

I don't like eating fast food but I'm not going to stop other people from eating it. That right there is the exact same as your abortion argrument the only difference being that you don't have an extreme viewpoint about it

>>82062025
that is not tribalism you retard

>>82074334
Two more convictions. You're pretty hypocritical

>>82074354

Abortion is ultimately an either or issue. Either all human beings have an equal right to life and it's wrong to kill the innocent human beings or not all humans have an equal right to life and it's okay to kill certain innocent human beings. There is no middle ground on this debate.

>>82074501
Society has already decided that all humans don't have an equal right to anything since the dawn of time

>>82074559

Having a right to life doesn't mean nobody could ever kill you, it just means nobody should kill you unless you do something that forfeits your human right to life. I can't walk up to you and randomly shoot you in the head because you're a human with a right to life, but if you have a gun and you're about to you shoot a toddler then I would justified in shooting you because you have forfeited your natural right to life with your actions.

>>82074501
This is in itself a biased summation of the argument coming from an obvious pro-lifer.

>>82073454
>My fascism meme.

Have you fucking seen the /pol/ gathering from the Shia shit?.
Half of them are not even white.

If you get triggered by a bunch of memesters minorities maybe it means liberalism has gone too far.

In any case it doesnt matter because the left will keep using """"fascism""""" to anybody that disagrees with them until the word lose all meaning.

Like equality or rape.

>>82074659

Is it unfair? It's a biological fact that the unborn from the moment of conception is a distinct human organism that is growing, or in other words, a human being. Pro-life people believe that all humans have a right to life and should not be killed while pro-choice people (who accept the facts of biology) believe that not all humans have a right to life and some of them can be killed.

>>82074658

And yet we kill people who did nothing wrong all the time. But I guess muslims who get bombed by drone strikes and are counted as "collateral damage" by your logic are subhumans

>>82074792

I don't know what that has to do with anything. People are killed for immoral reasons, yes and? Is your argument that because some people are unjustly killed this justifies killing more people unjustly?

>>82072176
>>82072176
>>82072176
>Having sex is the meaning of life.
Yea no such thing.

>>82061517
>I don't think I'm saying anything controversial here
Are you sure? You should be sure, you wouldn't want to do that, it would be terrible if you did.

It's the fact you say nothing controversial because you have no convictions or fanaticism in your fundamental beliefs that is the problem you fucking bitchmade coward.

I actually helped fund this documentary on Kickstarter but i still haven't seen it.

I can imagine what its gonna be about.

The female director is a qt. And based.

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>>82074792
Muslims who get bombed by drone strikes and are counted as collateral damage are 1. Muslim 2. likely heavily inbred because of how the Muslim world functions 3. very likely non-white.

So technically yes, taking those 3 factors into consideration, those boxes being checked, I'd say the majority of collateral damage in such cases would fall under that subhuman classification...

>>82067833
> image of a poorly drawn teen in a red baseball cap browsing over social media sites more suited to his liking before arriving at the conclusion that an anime image board would be the best choice

>>82071809
Wow did you really just imply that someone is or isn't redpilled? False dichotomy much?

Didn't the Redpill forum creator get outed as some fucktard Republican just recently?

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>>82061562
i like it

>>82075985
outed?
So?

>>82075985
>Redpill forum.

What the fuck are you talking about?.

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>>82059467

>>82072995
The redpill is not a reddit concept.

We didnt invented it but we are the first that starting using it against modern liberalism.

>>82075985
even worse, a redditor
also has nothing to do with this film

>>82075985
NH Republican representative actually, but doxxing someone because you dislike what they're saying is still shitty.

>>82072995
I know it's the new liberal tactics to call everything related to the right as Reddit

>>82074659

I hate the way people use the word bias as a way to dismiss other peoples views. It's an intellectually dishonest trick to avoid confronting opposing arguments. Everybody is biased. Bias in itself is not a problem. You need to explain why you believe that him framing the argument the way he did is wrong or unfair.

>>82076209
>"""""""doxxing""""""" a public figure
t. retard

>>82076201
No, I'm from Kiwi Farms.

>>82076209
You can't dox a public official, actually. He put all that information out there himself like an idiot, and then went into DELETE EVERYTHING mode when caught.

>>82073134
>I'm a centrist because centrists are smart
>everyone else is wrong because they're dumb
>it's ok though you can learn to be intellectually honest like me
Do you have any sort of argument or are you just going to call people who disagree with you names?

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>Is prostate cancer a feminist issue

While I understand their complaints about male issues, anti feminist MRAs can be pretty stupid.
Prostate cancer is a universal issue. Cancer in general is a universal issue. I don't get why these MRAs whine about prostate cancer and male suicides when society is trying to put an end to these things. This is just an excuse to say feminazis don't care about men.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxKLezZU4eg

>>82076395
That's not an accurate summation of that post at all. Do you have any sort of argument or are you just going to strawman?

>>82076528
Mate, if you're so smart you should know better than to argue anonymously on the internet.

>>82061521
That fence is so far up your ass it's causing a GI bleed

>>82074942
So your metric for how right you are is how contrarian you can be, and not how much you try to find and stick to the truth?

>>82076501
>Is a ppl think putting some lights helps cure cancer episode.

You have to realize that men in general realize that doing stupid shit like using some ribbons and Changing your profile picture doesnt do a goddamn thing.

Thats why mra or "feminism for men" will never gain track, most men are rationalists and pragmatic. Feminism is all about feelings and appearances.

Nothing triggers a feminist so much as real pragmatic advice.

BUT do compare the ammount of money that prostate cancer research gets compared to breast cancer and you realize MRA have point.

>>82077431
>>82076501

What's with the excessive line breaks?

>>82073134
this

>>82074738
A fetus with barely a few weeks of existence is quite the far cry from a born human, but sure, keep assuming it's the exact same thing

I still can't believe people can refer to red pills and blue pills without irony

>>82077431
>Feminism is all about feelings and appearances.

I think it's actually more about equal rights for women...

>>82077827
If it was about equal rights for women they'd be removing rights from women.

>>82077627

In terms of development, the difference between a newborn baby and a fully developed adult human is greater than the difference between a fetus and a newborn baby. This is one reason to believe that the level of development that a human is in should not be a determining factor in whether that human has a right to life.

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How in the shit is all this garbage you guys are talking about related to TV? man the mods here are so fucked, they let the worst shit fly and the actual decent discussions get pruned ASAP.

>>82077827
What rights do men have that women are currently lacking?

>>82061323
>>82061419
>>82061614
now THIS is redditspacing

>>82077928
And in terms of development, a fertilized human egg is hardly any different than a monkey fetus. Should they have a right to life too?

>>82077898
>>82077972

Are you seriously trying to argue that the dictionary definition of Feminism is incorrect? I hope not.

>>82059467
>>>82077827
>What rights do men have that women are currently lacking?.

this.

>>82077997

A monkey fetus is not a distinct human organism in the state of development so no, I don't believe the monkey as the right to life. Having said that, I do believe it is a monkey even though it is really small and less developed.

>>82077972
Yo, you already have your second amendment rights so stop fighting to protect them. See how that sounds?

Even if women are fully equal to men there would still be a reason to be feminist

>>82078051
>distinct human organism

define this

>>82077959
Go to sleep Anaki

>>82078084

A human being. A human organism with its own human DNA.

>>82078051
"A distinct human organism"

Ok, in what way is a fetus a distinct human organism and an arm is not? When someone needs amputation we don't cry about the arms right to life. Because we consider that part of their body in control of the person. Fetus is the same. Its a part of her body. She has to gestate for s long time to make it a viable organism outside her body.

Now I understand this does not allow for whimsical abortion but here's the kicker: if you are required by law to allow for abortion when medically necessary, you essentially have the requirement in law to respect a doctors choice regarding abortion.

>>82078121

Is a tumor a human being? It fits your definition.

>/pol/ hates niggers and degenarates
>Uses a term said by a black man in a movie directed by two trannies
Really gets the good ol' neurons running

>still getting worked up about abortion
We'll have artificial wombs soon which will lead to the inevitable genocide of the ovarian jew. It's a complete non-issue, brothers

>>82077959
it's a documentary film. Just get the mods to delete all the posts about hating women

>>82078199
/pol/ is satire, newfag

>>the redpill.
Using that word is incredibly misleading.

Not everyone who is against feminism is a MRA or mgtow.
And the reddit subforum with that name is just a bunch of dudebros sharing PUA tips.

Nothing to do with the redpill we use, in that is any uncomfortable truth ignored by mainstream culture.

>>82078255
Lmao nice try "pol is satire" meanwhile Shia Labeouf is going insane from.shadilay the autistic musical

>>82078178

Your arm does not have distinct DNA. The fetus is a human organism with its own DNA and it is growing. This fulfills the biological definition of a human being and that is the difference between your arm and a fetus growing inside of you.

>>82078184

Replace arm with tumor and you have essentially the same argument. Your tumor is not distinct.

friendly reminder r/theredpill was founded by a republican politician lmao

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/04/25/the-republican-lawmaker-who-secretly-created-reddit-s-women-hating-red-pill.html

>>82078072
Wha--

>>82078292
>Replace arm with tumor and you have essentially the same argument. Your tumor is not distinct.

But a tumor does have distinct DNA. That's what makes it a tumor.

>>82073868
>consider myself liberal
>but am pro gun
>other liberals think I'm conservative because of this
Man, what the fuck are wrong with people.

>>82078304
Okay reddit, nobody cares since that has no meaning to the documentary

>>82078224

reproduction without men has already been possible in humans for a decade (with a process created by a female scientist)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenogenesis#Humans

The Eternal Male btfo

Stop using pro-choice arguments from the 1950's. Our understanding of biology has advanced, the unborn from the moment of conception is a human being. You can be pro-choice and accept this, and many do. They argue that not all humans have an equal right to life.

"Althought life is a continuous process, fertilization is a critical landmark because under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed."
-Human Embryology & Teratology, 3rd edition pg. 8

"Zygote. This cell, formed by the union of an ovum and a sperm (Gr. zyg tos, yoked together), represents the beginning of a human being. The common expression 'fertilized ovum' refers to the zygote."
-Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects

"The development of a human begins with fertilization, a process by which the spermatozoon from the male and the oocyte from the female unite to give rise to a new organism, the zygote."
-Langman's Medical Embryology

>>82078199
>what is Gödel, Escher, Bach
>what is Total Recall

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>>82060474

>>82078310
The issue at hand is that women have all the rights men have, so why do they fight for feminism? Its stupid and we don't need feminism right??

I just used an analogy to explain that simply having rights doesn't mean that they will always be protected, govt's can take them away, and you have to continually be on the watch and fight to keep your rights not infringed upon.

Do you understand, brainlet?

>>82078292

I don't see the moral link between distinct DNA and abortion. What's so special about distinct DNA?

>>82078337
>reproduction without men has already been possible in humans for a decade
Yes, and because women are completely useless besides that meat socket between their legs, they're still completely reliant on men.

The other way around though? Nah

>>82078382
Then that's an issue of liberty, not feminism.

If the goal of feminism is equal rights for women, and women have those equal rights, then feminism can cease.

Unless, of course, it's stopped being about equal rights.

Also, your analogy was quite poor.

>>82078420

t. virgin

>>82078438

Feminism is liberty for women, stupid.

>>82078383

I don't care about DNA by itself either. I care about human beings and what abortion does to them. DNA is merely just one of the things used to identify a unique human being. If the unborn are human, and it's wrong to kill innocent humans, then we should stop abortion.

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>>82078441
t. hole

>>82078486
Not him, but if being called a virgin gets to you, then you probably are one.

>>82078288
he fell for the "/pol/ isn't satire" meme too hard

>>82078476
>DNA is merely just one of the things used to identify a unique human being

But obviously not the most important one, which you conveniently left out. That being a consciousness.

>>82078364
>what is Gödel, Escher, Bach

Yeah, it definitely came from there and not the alt-right kiddies imitating /sp/ with their lil b memes

>>82078304
the documentary explicitly says it has nothing to do with the subreddit at the end. It's a different kind of redpill.

>>82078519
What gets to me is wasting my time with people that use such shitty and cheap retorts in a conversation that some fuck even made an infographic for it.

>>82078476
>If the unborn are human, and it's wrong to kill innocent humans, then we should stop abortion.

Unless you make an exception to the rule for practical reasons.

To answer the question "Does having a brain(or consciousness) make someone a person?", we must answer a more basic question: "What does the brain do?"

When our brain isn't performing complex tasks (such as when we sleep), or when it hasn't developed the ability to do so (such as when we are infants), our brain simply keeps our bodies alive. At brain death we lose our "organic unity," and we become a corpse. Our body parts no longer function together to keep us alive. If a person stops existing not when the brain dies but when his body parts no longer function together to keep him alive (or when he no longer has organic unity) then it makes sense to say that a person begins to exist when his body achieves this organic unity.

When does this organic unity occur? At fertilization a person begins to exist, because at that time the unborn child's parts work together to keep the child growing and living. When the child becomes so complex that he needs a brain to survive, he will simply grow one, because he is a person who can continue developing new organs and new abilities over time. A brain-dead person cannot do this, and that is why the brain-dead are no longer persons, while the unborn, even without a brain, are persons who are merely immature or less developed.

>>82078617

meant for >>82078539

>>82078609
I agree, we should also do the same with jews and shitskins for practical reasons of course

>>82078603
>some fuck
Yeah, a virgin.

>>82061521
honestly it seems more about mens rights shit

but otherwise it's still not good to not analyze anything about women's behaviour and just assume they're romantic little boys who want someone nice (men are almost about to put pigtails to be sweet and "attractive" while women act like the dominating men they wish were fucking them)

The name of this doc is absolutely horrible but the doc itself is pretty good, the chick from that women's magazine seems insane.

>>82078617
>If a person stops existing not when the brain dies but when his body parts no longer function together to keep him alive

Huh? This contradicts the previous point.

>>82067911
The film has a website which shows screening locations, including Australia.

>>82079151

I don't believe it does. The brain is just one organ among many that constitute "organic unity." You can lose organs temporarily or even permanently and still have organic unity, so it's more precise to say that a person dies when organic unity is lost instead of any one organ even if the loss of that organ does directly lead the a loss in organic unity.

>>82076501
they're kinda right, doesnt the NFL have those stupid pink ribbons and nothing about prostate cancer?

it does receive more attention, but that's a biological and unchangeable desire for us to care more about women and children. The solution is definitely not to whine (which just produces disgust in the listener, especially women) but to force yourself to care less about women, be more selfish and form groups for men's interests and run over them in this struggle of competing interests.

Men worried about "optics" for society and women are destined to fail from the start, it should be a mens-only thing like there used to be (tho caring women shouldnt be excluded)

>>82079355
>>82077431
Yeah MRAs do have a point.
Prostate cancer research needs more funding.
This is definitely an equality situation too because breast cancer gets much more funding. So I get their message but blaming women isn't going to change anything.

>>82079644
i mean, blame women all you want (because what's truly necessary is much worse than that) but it gets you nothing in comparison to actually doing shit. MRAs thought they could get shit by playing the equality rules and do a "feminism for men" but fucking lmao

but i get it, their attempts in doing shit is curbed and demonized by women and white knights

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>it's a "/tv/ tries to hold an opinion" episode

>>82079208
>The film has a website which shows screening locations, including Australia.

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>>82061824
triggered much?

>>82078519
a gentleman kisses and never tells

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>>82079811
>its a /tv/ thinks they know how the world should be episode

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>>82061146
Knowing such an event would occur before it manifested in reality is a feat that no man could accomplish

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>>82062118
I feel sad whenever I see somebody defending fascism of all things. Why is everyone so retarded these days? Goddamn, so many gullible idiots now willing to jump right in with communists or nazis because people have individual freedoms and that triggers them for some retarded reason.

>>82080120
>t. someone triggered about the individual freedom of opinion
Pretty ironic

>>82079828
Nah, I was curious if it was banned in the country, and it ended up bullshit.

Fuck, the movies doesn't premiere until next month, and there's links to it in this thread.

>>82078420
I wonder how viable an all onegender society would be.

I'm waiting for artificicial incubators and wombs would be interesting to see what happens then

>>82080158
i can see how you'd think that, if you never spent more than 20 seconds trying to formulate an idea

>>82060523
IM NOOTRUL

>>82078470
Modern feminism is about female exceptionalism

>>82061892
/thread

>>82080377
No need to elaborate on how triggered you are about peoples' opinions, anon.

>>82078617
That doesn't matter at all though. If it can't process information in a meaningful way then it can't think or feel pain. It's less alive than a mouse, certainly less alive than a chimp, and we torture those animals 24/7 while alive, for science. I'd say that's honestly a much bigger problem than abortion.

>>82079292
okay, but we're not talking about being alive, we're talking about consciousness. Just being alive doesn't matter.

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>>82080359
>I wonder how viable an all onegender society would be.
If we're talking about the right gender, it'd be utopic.

>>82080493
put forth effort next time

>>82080807
Pointing out the hypocrisy of some post doesn't require much effort, anon. Why would it?

>>82074685
kek because the white /pol/ cant leave the house while the minority /pol/ are just fun loving gubment leeching memers

>>82080359
I guess it wouldn't change a lot, except trans people would probably find it easier to have children (operating only after removing semen/eggs).

>>82080724

Why should the ability to feel pain determine what rights a human has? Thinking and feeling are actions that human beings can perform but to say those actions are what makes you human and gives you the right to life commits the fallacy of confusing cause and effect. You must be a human before you can act like one, so you must be a human before you can think or feel like one.

>>82080881
>trans people
Wouldn't exist

>>82080915
I feel like you are twisting logic to support something illogical. So are you saying embryos aren't human? Then what's the problem with aborting them?

>>82080863
see
>>82080807

>>82080788

I disagree because if the unborn aren't human, and they aren't alive, then the debate is settled and abortion is morally permissible. The unborn are alive and they are human, and I believe this is reason enough to believe that abortion is morally impermissible. The pro-choice view of personhood is human plus birth, or human plus consciousness, or human plus viability. But how is this different from those who say personhood is human plus white skin, or human plus male gender, or human plus an IQ higher than 70? Why not just say being human is enough?

In regards to consciousness see >>82078617

>>82080997

I believe you misunderstood something because I believe human embryos are human beings. I'm not sure where you got the idea that I didn't.

>>82080915
>>82081012
There is no way to know what makes us human, how far that definition extends, or where it ends. That is the whole bedrock of this debate. I think then, one must decide that unborn humans with no higher brain function are reasonably okay to kill if need be. Not needlessly, mind you.

>>82081085
you said one must be human before they can think or feel, not the other way around. I understand now, but at first I thought you meant we aren't human until we can do that. Now I get what you meant.

>>82081003
Why don't you answer the question, anon? >>82080863

>>82081115

We can certainly know what a human. I provided some scientific sources for this here >>82078359

Assuming everybody accepts biological facts, the debate between pro-life and pro-choice is whether or not all humans have an equal right to life.

>>82081115
Imagine the dilemmas that will arise when human augmentation comes around...I'ts gonna melt our brains arguing ethics in that age.

I like pro choice because we already have too damn many humans on the planet. Less humans please.

>>82081303

Yeah it'll be interesting. I do think it would be more of a debate between the rich and poor though, like in Deus Ex: HR.

>>82081320

Some people like scientists or political leaders contribute knowledge or ingenuity that could help us solve many problems. They are what we would call 'givers'. Other people such as homeless, the severely disabled, or people in prison only consume our resources and don't contribute anything to society. We might call them 'takers'. If the world is suffering from overpopulation then shouldn't we kill the homeless, severely disabled, prisoners, and other takers who only consume resources and don't give anything back? Then, only after we've killed them, we can decide if we need to kill the unborn. After all, they are innocent and could grow up to be either givers or takers.

>>82081260
So if a person loses all their limbs and replaces them they are still human right? What about if they were ina horrible accident and we did the first surgery that connects a human brain to a robot? Still human? What if we modified that brain with enhancements and machine parts until only select few parts were organic. If you spoke to this oerson they say they are human. Are they? I think it's clear that what we are resides in our consciousness. Something embryos do not have.

>>82081402
Why not both?

>>82081440

Because the unborn could grow up to either be givers or takers.

>>82081458
>>82081427
>poor people want to fuck without condoms so we should kill the disenfranchised.

>>82081427
>>82081458
>spring a leak
>develop a whole new system of getting rid of water
>instead of fixing the leak

>>82081427

I'm not entirely sure if a human brain on its own could be called a human being, even if that brain had the ability to think or speak with advanced technology. The reason I have my doubts is because I see a person as a body and brain together in unison because our bodies hormones have a very profound effect on the way we think and act. If we were to upload somebodies consciousness into a computer and then try to talk to them, I don't believe we would be talking to the same "person" if it is a person at all.

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>>82060504
lol

>>82060954
If your IQ were a bit higher, you'd recognize that tribalism is an essential human instinct, and that a society built on anti-tribalism is a sand castle. A society built on arbitrary constructs, which are in direct opposition to the natural instincts and impulses of its citizenry, will always fail.

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>>82082631
A little ironic considering this thread was derailed instantly by crybaby leftists.

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>>82082631
>Unironically using the term alt-right

Sure is good goy in here

>>82083038
>implying you didn't heavily identify is alt-right until it got too mainstream to be cool

>>82082081
tribalism can be bred out

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>>82078288
>A documentary made by a self described feminist woman is """""alt-right"""".

>>82083118
>we just all need to be the same thing
>starts killing one another for being hutu or shiite

>also ME conflicts arised because european imperialist grouped different peoples together

>>82081616
>comparing the ethics surrounding the termination of human life in its early stages of development to a minor plumbing problem.

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>>82079977
>it's a /tv/ thinks episode

>>82083038
>unironically using reddit spacing
hello nu-/pol/

>>82084069
>he fell for /pol/ 4D chess b8

>>82083118
Why?

>>82083118

How?

>>82059467
how do you make your mouth even make that shape?

>>82066562
Your stupid as fuck bro.

>>82084069
>nu/pol/

Just outed yourself buddy, but 25 cents was deposited into your account.

another great /tv/ thread. thanks for posting a bunch of stupid crap everyone!

>>82088234
watch the movie like the 2 people in this thread who did