What's his best movie and why is it The Master?

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>>82052012
>The Master

He'll never top There Will Be Blood and everyone knows that. He knows that.

Boggie Nights is his best.

Inherent Vice, and it's not even close. It's his own truly great film, though TWBB and Boogie Nights are both p good.

>>82052071

Idiot. Stop replying to idiotic what-is-his-fart-and-why-is-it-fart threads.

>>82052095
>>82052125

Idiots.

>>82052125
>Inherent Vice
It's his worst movie. Couldn't even finish that trash.

>>82052206
The problem is with you, not the film.

>>82052071
In terms of general audience and critical acclaim, TWBB probably won't get topped. Everyone's seen that movie and few people have anything bad to say about it.
>>82052125
Honestly I didn't really follow Inherent Vice when watching it. It seemed to just go from one scene to another. A lot of people on here do like it though so I may have to give it another try

>>82052228

The cancer is you.

>>82052267
>go from one scene to another

Which is why it's called a film and not a painting, imbecile.

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>>82052206
If you didn't even finish watching it then why do you feel qualified to talk about it?

>>82052206
If you really feel this way, you are a fucking moron. The Belladonna and couch scenes alone make it top 100 easily.

>>82052339
I meant the scenes didn't seem to link together. Again, I did come out of the film feeling like I missed the point so I'm probably wrong here

>>82052363
I didn't really talk about just said I thought it was shit, as did audiences.

>>82052267
It took a few viewings to actually figure out the plot of IV, but it's mostly incidental. The real meat of the story is in the themes. It's like a late period cowboy movie for hippies; Doc Sportello, last of the dopers as the free love of the 60s gives way to the corporatism and cynicism of the 70s. It's very good.

>>82052410
Don't fall for their bullshit. You are right the movie is shit.

>>82052012
The Master is his most "movie to make dumb people feel smart"

Boogie Nights and TWBB are the best ones

>>82052820
>movie to make dumb people feel smart
how exactly?

>>82052820
Even Hard Eight is better than the Master or Inherent Mistake

>>82052820
Boogie Nights is his most reddit

Magnolia is his best

>>82052982
go back

>>82052820
>The Master is his most "movie to make dumb people feel smart"

you'd have to be dumb to believe this

Most people who don't like Inherent Vice are just too stupid to understand it, and it isn't that hard to understand.

>>82053198
It's not entertaining or thought provoking. You aren't smart for pretending otherwise.

Just watched Punch Drunk Love. It was pretty funny.

There Will Be Blood > The Master > Punch-Drunk Love > Inherent Vice > Boogie Nights > Magnolia > Hard Eight

Inherent Vice is really good, I don't understand the hate. I thought it was really funny when I first saw it in theaters, and I get more and more out of it every time I've re-watched it. It's actually encouraged me to read more about stuff that was happening in that era just to better understand what the fuck they're talking about, and it's rare that I give enough of a fuck about a movie to do external research on it.

>>82052982
this. though I think Magnolia is slightly more Reddit.

>>82052071
he's not finished yet

>>82053317
Getting it doesn't make you smart, but not getting it definitely makes you stupid.

>>82053547
Then I'm stupid. The film is a mess. Tell me whats "to get"

>>82053628
Pynchon is dense as fuck. Read some books and come back to it in a few years, maybe you'll get something out of it when you're less stupid.

>>82053689
...you didn't get it either, you're just pretending.

>>82053689
Typical
>read the book faggot
doesn't make the film any good.

>>82053729
Did you want me to boil down a 2 and a half hour Pynchon adaptation to one sentence? Or maybe to write an essay on /tv/ that will only ever be read by some guy who hated the movie? It's about how heroin, cults, government infiltration and a variety of other factors corrupted and brought about the end of the 60s counterculture and it's about a hippy who can't let go of the past. Passage of time is the inherent vice. If you want a deeper reading that that, I'm sure there's plenty of good ones out there.

>>82053198
THIS

>>82054023
>woah dude, shit is happening.
I'm sure you think this is top shelf.

>>82053628
Not the guy you're arguing with, but this is basically my take on it - For the most part, it's just a love story. You don't have to fully understand all of the little subplots and conspiracies that run in tangent to his search for Shasta, Doc doesn't either. You're supposed to feel like you're slipping down the rabbit hole into a big, incomprehensible pile of shit, everyone's got their own stories & agendas running into each other, and he's trying to piece together just enough of it to figure out what's happening with Shasta.

He basically sees Owen Wilson's character as another guy like him who's in over his head, and manages to find a way to dig the poor guy out of the shit.

Stylistically, it's meant to reflect a pothead's interest in conspiracy theories - uncovering one "clue" after another and getting lost in an infinitely complicated web of other people's agendas, secrets, random coincidences that may or may not mean anything, etc.

Pynchon has really done his research on all this shit, though, and the book/film is packed with references to historical events, popular folk tales & conspiracy theories, and even the more fantastical subplots are detailed and thought-out to suggest whole elaborate stories that are only briefly glimpsed at from Doc's perspective.

But again, you don't actually have to get all that to understand the movie, it's meant to be overwhelming. The main reason I liked it on first viewing was because I laughed a lot, I think it's the closest thing PTA has done to a straight-up comedy. I really don't get why so many people took it as some pretentious, boring academic movie or something

>>82054390
Appreciate the long response
but in the end
>incomprehensible pile of shit
your own words

I thought the movie was a chore and i love conspiracy shit.

>>82054656
The most reductive, thoughtless response possible.

>>82054814
You win then, it's a masterpiece.

>>82054656
I liked it though, and it's not really just a bunch of bullshit, even if I couldn't follow it all the first time I saw it. There's a lot going on that isn't directly essential to any of Doc's goals, but it sketches out a whole fictionalized world that's referential and related to real life in California at that time.

to each their own, though. if the main performances weren't doing it for you I can see how it'd be a drag, it is a reeeeally dialogue-heavy film

>>82054361
Inherent Vice is more about him being persecuted and his adventures. In the novel Doc gets fucked up and in the end he becomes obsolete because a computer is much more useful than him, and even though he gets fucked up basically all the time, that's what makes him like his life.

That's basically what the novel is about without going much deeper into the plot, but PTA ruined the movie with his shitty ending.

>>82055301
>but PTA ruined the movie with his shitty ending.

Pynchon must've been OK with it because he worked with Pynchon on the adaptation.

Trust me, there's a sex tape of him and Fiona Apple out there, and that is his greatest film.

>a modern art masterpiece

>>82054656
Golden Fang is the main thing in the movie, they have rehab clinics and in those clinics they dope the addicts when they go to the dentist, they create a vicious cycle of addicted people. Owen's character is used to attract addicts to the clinic, he does it because he's afraid that him and his family will die. Mickey was one of the addicts and they used his money to build more clinics. There's a lot of side conspiracies, but that's what I remember from now, it's not that complicated.

Punch Drunk Love

>>82055375
I was going to post the DFW as Pynchon pasta, but the ending is very different from the novel, and I don't even know if Pynchon liked it. I think he ruined the ending, but if Pynchon liked it, who am I to disagree with him,

>>82055577
I know it's different than the novel, but there had to be some reasoning why he would change the ending.

I guess we'd have to ask PTA and what Pynchon felt. All I know is that Pynchon did have a say in the script.

>>82055507
I gotta say one thing about this movie, though - I understood it a LOT better when I watched it with subtitles. Maybe my hearing is going to shit, but the combination of low, dramatic whispering + Joaquin's mumbly delivery meant that I literally could not understand 50% of what the fuck they were saying when I saw this in theaters. I barely got a word out of that long scene between him and Owen Wilson at the party.

It's not that the plot is all that hard to understand, but SO MUCH of it is delivered through dialogue, and a lot of that dialogue is literally hard to understand without subtitles. I know I'm not the only one who had trouble with it, and I wonder if that might be part of the reason it got such a poor reception in theaters

>>82055721
Nah, you're right. I saw it in theaters and there were many times I couldn't understand what was being said.

It was like the whole movie was whispered.

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>It's a "PTA discussion becomes inherent vice thread" thread

Get fucking comfy bros

>>82052071
unrelated but fuck boardwalk empire is so god damn good. just finished season four and I feel like my heart got ripped out

>>82055721
Well, I'm brazilian so I always watch movies with subtitles. I watched the movie for the first time and basically got some things of what it was about, then I read the novel and watched it again, and the movie gets ridiculously easy to get. I think the movie was obviously meant for the non-novel readers and the experience is much better, because you start to feel bad you can't get into the conspiracies and the details of the plot. But all the experience is kinda of ruined when PTA changed the ending..

>>82055644
PTA just changed the two last scenes and if he delivered the original ending he'd have to include the van guy who used a computer. I'd have preferred the did that, because the title starts to make sense and it's a much better ending. I think Pynchon didn't interfere because PTA would have to rewrite the script and the Van scenes would probably screw the pacing.

I'd like to see an adaptation of The Crying of Lot 49.

It's not as big as his later work, but it's probably his easiest to translate.

>>82056046
I feel like the film purposefully avoided technology use besides phones throughout, and the computer might have thrown off the atmosphere, would have conveyed the motifs better though

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>>82055958
Off the top of my head I can't think of a series that has better cinematography, maybe twin peaks, but some of the van paten directed episodes are just absolutely sublime. The 4th season in particular is so moody and dark I have so many images from it stuck in my mind. I can't find any good screenshots of it but the scene from erlkonig with eddy in the interrogation room surrounded by stacks of chairs and a ruined piano with a beam of light filtering through the dust particles from a single window. It' just so fucking good. Also every PTA movie is great my favorite changes every time I rewatch, really found of punch drunk love and inherent vice for how unconventional and minor in scope they are compared to opuses like magnolia and boogie nights.

>>82056362
>Off the top of my head I can't think of a series that has better cinematography, maybe twin peaks
Have you seen The Young Pope?

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>>82056362

>>82056396
not yet but i loved grande bellazza is young pope it tight?

Nothing before punch drunk love.
He was a discount version of scorsese and altman

>>82056269
It wasn't a computer, it was a van that was the antecipation of computers, I misexpressed myself.

>>82056466
And, yet, Boogie Nights was great.

Inherent Vice isn't really a movie that is meant to make sense. It's more about how the film makes you feel and the performances, etc.

The Master is his best film by far and then Boogie Nights

>>82056450
Yeah if you enjoyed Sorrentino's other stuff you'll probably really enjoy it, I think it's great

>>82056522
Boogie night was shit, magnolia was even fucking worst. Both are discount version of scorsese and altman movies, especially magnolia. Seriously boogie nights must be one of the most overrated pices of trash ever made. Punch drunk love and everything after is great cinema tho

this is the best thread on the board right now, boardwalk dude i'm with you such an underrated gorgeous show

>>82056671
/thread

>>82056412
pure kinography

>>82056671
>Punch drunk love

I haven't seen that yet because Adem Sandler lol

Worth a watch?

>>82056671
There are a hundred other directors who tried to rip off Scorsese or Altman without making a movie half as good as "Boogie Nights." It shows its influences in the structure & style, but the characters and their stories are Anderson's own. I found it all really engaging, you get seduced & let down by the porn fantasy world right along with all these great characters.

It's such a stupid film-student criticism to call out that you recognize 1 or 2 influences on a popular film, and act like that makes the whole thing a ripoff. Would you change your mind on Punch-Drunk Love if you found out it "rips off" Jacques Tati? Would you change your mind on Martin Scorsese if you found out he "ripped off" Orson Welles & Francois Truffaut? All artists are influenced by other artists, you're not blowing our minds by pointing that Boogie Nights isn't 100% original

>>82056671

Who gives a fuck what influenced it? Boogie Nights is better than anything that overrated Altman did

>muh talking over the top of each other such genius

Is the master the most "film women don't understand" film out there?

>>82057248
Yes. But it will make you even madder at Sandler because it clearly shows what he'd be capable of if he only cared to.

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>>82052071
>He'll never top There Will Be Blood and everyone knows that. He knows that.

The Master is unironically better than There Will Be Blood by just a small margin.

would have said There Will Be Blood but the ending was terrible.

my personal favorite was Punch Drunk Love