WTF HAPPENED SINCE THEN???

Dis good

Chromosomes are a social construct

Why let facts get in the way of an agenda

that wasn't settled science, thing's have changed since then

>>82026394
exactly, since the spacewomen;;;;

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>>82026394
>that wasn't settled science

>>82026345
>>82026394
actually, the definition of gender is what changed
here what he meant is "sex is determined by your chromosomes"

>>82026345
Since then the definition of gender changed. So hard omg.

Don't worry though. Sex still has the same meaning and there's still about 7 sexes. Just like when you were a kid.

>>82026345
BILL NOY THE SHABBAT GOY
*SHILL SHILL SHILL*

>>82026394
>when gender doesn't exist but you cut your dick off because your mind is female

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>>82026412
>"sex is determined by your chromosomes"
Or is it???

all genetic information is determined by chromosomes, including irregularities such as XXY, XXX, etc

either learn science or get out of the way, don't learn only enough to be a danger to yourself

that's like figuring out how to turn the car on without knowing how to drive it

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>>82026413
>the definition of gender changed

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>>82026368

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>>82026458

>>82026345
He has different writers

dis thread gon be gud

>>82026345
he seems angry saying it, as if he didn't believe it

>>82026453
eye color is on a spectrum too
and autism

>>82026453
>bill nye the social """"""""""science""""""""" guy

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Science has just evolved since then.

Year of being inundated by this shit probably drove him to believe it.

Human instincts come from genetics.

If people didn't have these instincts in their brain there wouldn't BE MALE OR FEMALE.

You wouldn't want to be the opposite gender, you wouldn't want to be any gender. Gender/sex would be a foreign concept to you.

Fortunately these instincts do exist, so people do feel this way.

Nothing is a social construct. These people are fucking tards.

>>82026555
hello Trumpfag, nice digits "desu"

WHY DO THESE RETARDS IGNORE INSTINCTS?

WHHHYYYY ARE THEY SO FUCKING RETARDED?

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>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wllc5gSc-N8

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2exu65Jekc

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rayxew89NyE

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46h-LfNWPn8

When did exceptions overrule normalcy?

Why teach vegetables are good when some people are allergic? Why dont we teach all exceptions as equal as normalcy?

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>>82026607
>When did exceptions overrule normalcy?

>>82026576
>Trumpfag
I hate trump.
I'm not even american.
I'm a free market ethnic nationalist lmao

>"desu"
thanks senpai

>>82026453
>gender is like sex, it's on a spectrum
wat

>so bad that even reddit doesn't defend it

>>82026410
I'm not into gender politics but science is always being reviewed and explored. No one has a big book with all the answers 100% settled and sorted. We learn new things all the time.

>>82026394
There is no such thing as settled science. Science is the attempt at understanding and modeling reality. The best fitting model sometimes falls apart when new data is discovered.

Especially any science related to human biology directly is very prone to bias. That goes for both 50 years ago when transgender was a mental illness, and today when transgender is more normal than normal.

>>82026825
kill yourself

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RONALD DRUMB!!!

>>82026830
transgender is a symptom of disassociation disorder.

He got enlightened by the critical thinking juggernauts of tumblr, the leading scientific website on the internet

>>82026833
>The scientific method is a body of techniques for investigating phenomena, acquiring new knowledge, or correcting and integrating previous knowledge
>The scientific method is a continuous process
> Depending on how well the tests match the predictions, the original hypothesis may require refinement, alteration, expansion or even rejection. If a particular hypothesis becomes very well supported a general theory may be developed

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Maybe Bill is just trolling everyone.

>>82026825
The problem is queer theory and gender studies aren'tactually based on the scientific method.

>>82027040
You're assuming that what Nye is saying is taken purely from such a thing. Have you ever stopped to think that gender theorists are taking information from science an manipulating it to fit their world view?

>>82027098
? That's exactly what I'm saying.

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>>82026528
This dude sounds exactly like Fix It Felix from Wreck It Ralph.

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>>82026830

An apocalyptic scenario happens

How do you transgender without the aid of enablers and medication?

you will just be a crazy guy who wants the same protection privilege as the females in the new established villages

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I'm all for this degeneracy if it increases the chances of finding a mildly-cute femboy with an enormous schlong

>>82026345
He learned it in engineering school, oh no he just read an article .
science guy ≠scientist
Science guy= a jerk who reads the science section in a news paper.

>>82026555
>Nothing is a social construct.
So you're denying the existence of culture?

>>82027256
culture is a biological construct

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Post yfw you finally embrace Islam because you can not bear to associate with the degenerate west anymore.

>>82026830
>That goes for both 50 years ago when transgender was a mental illness, and today when transgender is more normal than normal.
It's still a mental illness, my man.

>>82027256
Culture is why the animal kingdom is normal/heteronormative?

>>82027288
That's a bold claim to make unsubstantiated.

A paradigm shift happened goy. Enjoy having your problematic balls chopped off weak western cucks, KEK!

>>82027294
I dont wanna hang with arabs or afrians

>>82027310
>the animal kingdom is normal/heteronormative
Then why does my male dog try to fuck the neighbors male dog?

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I know I'm going full Rust mode, but human consciousness really was a mistake.

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>>82027294
wtf i love Allah now

>>82027313
Yes it is.
Why would culture somehow be socially constructed?

Is culture in wolf packs a social construct?
Why are humans any different?

>because muh higher intelligence
So? We're still animals with strong instincts. If we didn't have instincts, sex and gender wouldn't even fucking exist.

>>82027294
Nah, gonna go with Tengri this time Pepe Mehmet the Second.

>>82026825
>No one has a big book with all the answers 100% settled and sorted
Uh, God much?

>>82027353
Its an exception that is overwhelmed by normalcy.

Did culture make almost all animals straight?

"As a nation of free men, we will either live forever, or die by suicide"

-Abraham Lincoln

>>82027380
>Nah, gonna go with Tengri

where ar eyou from lad?

>>82026345
I get pedo vibes from this cunt

can you make a baby, no then you are male

pretty fucking simple

>>82027380
> meme pagan degenerate
You're part of the problem son.

>>82027372
>Why would culture somehow be socially constructed?
I can't tell if you're trolling or retarded.
>Is culture in wolf packs a social construct?
Yes.
>Why are humans any different?
Because they're more complex.
>We're still animals with strong instincts.
Correct. Nobody argued that humans don't have instincts.

>>82027337
Me neither. Understand that Islam is a white supremacist religion and the ultimate goal of Allah is to open the hearts of white people to the truth by making our environment insufferable.

>>82027418
> > meme pagan degenerate
you're dumb whoreson, tengriism is the essential religion, THE religion, the purest most honest unadultered clear manly BELIEF

>>82027372
Socialization is biological, but not the resulting culture. There is no universally consistent human culture.

>>82027447
Hum, jews and christcucks are somewhat tolerable, but heathens go straight to the chopping block.

>>82027419
>I can't tell if you're trolling or retarded.
I can't tell if you have brain damage or have a genetic predisposition to poor reasoning abilities.

>Yes.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
No it's not. They act the way they do because of genetic instincts.

>Because they're more complex.
That doesn't matter. They still have the same core genetic instincts.

HOLY FUCKING SHIT YOU'RE A BRAINWASHED RETARD


So according to you, if you took a bunch of babies and raised them to ignore gender and sex completely, they would magically not form sexuality and wouldn't identify as male or female?
That's retarded pseudoscience.
Why do you pseudoscientists even exist?

>Nobody argued that humans don't have instincts.
Then it's not a social construct then.

>>82027408
Because he's liberal and doesn't share your opinion.
Just admit it to yourself, your life will be easier and you can stop watering down the term 'pedophile.'

>>82027464
you fell for the kike fairytale, congrats, you literally KEKED and JUSTed yourself

We've made massive progress in gender theory, anon. I mean, sure, there wasn't any particular biological advances or introduced technologies that have changed our means of observing gender. But we have progress regardless!

>>82026345
He learnt more.

>>82027418
>Eternal Blue Sky
>Degenerate

Please don't associate us with Viking cucks or other european neopagan cults

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I don't really have any gripes with homos, but how can you be born with a dick or vag and think it's just not right for you without that being a mental illness?

I mean sheeeit I would have even been pissed if I was circumcised as a baby.

>>82027456
>but not the resulting culture
The resulting culture is a product of the biological instincts.

>There is no universally consistent human culture.
Culture plays a small role just like environment plays a small role. Cultures that never met each other have similar cultures thanks to their genetics.

>>82027476
>everything we do is a result of biology
so free will doesn't exist.

>>82027481
>>82027491
Loving these dank memes you moon worshipping roach cunts.

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>>82026453
>tfw you almost made it through life without watching Bill Nye furthering (((((their))))) agenda and talking about fucking

>>82027477
I'm not from US, definitely not a republican. It's just a simple observation, probably not true. Please don't be buttblasted.

>>82027501
>so free will doesn't exist.
LMAO NO SHIT

FREE WILL DOESN'T EXIST

lmao these retards still believe in free fucking will
holy fuck my sides
kill these leftist retards

>>82027491
WHERE ARE YOU FROM LAD I WANT TO KNOW

ALL COMMUNISTS NEED TO BE KILLED

>>82027525
>tfw you were too old for Bill Nye, but were just the right age for Mr Wizard who actually did science experiments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkJEt1UsUcs

>>82026528
>tfw I probably would

The distinction between gender and sex is the distinction between socially and culturally created roles on the one side (gender) and the biological categories of male/female on the other side (sex).

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>/tv/ rejects the religion of lolis
Your loss

>>82027552
kino

>>82027546
Seething redditor detected

>>82027539
He's a turkish hipster who voted against Erdo

>>82026830
>transgender is more (((((((((normal))))))))

>>82026413
If gender is the way we look and behave is "Goth" a gender?

>>82027531
>free will doesn't exist
>except when you want to be gay or a tranny, that's a choice.

This is what happens when you grow up being taught that it's not important to raise a family. Of course gender and sexuality are useless when you don't have to rear children. Have sex with whoever you want! Spend all your life savings on "yourself"! It doesn't matter if you're going to die alone, what matters is that you lived for yourself!

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>>82027578
>being an unironic communist
rebbit need to be thrown out of a helicopter

>>82027521
>Buttblasted western cuck simmers

Stop prepping your bull, be a man and Praise the Eternal Tengri

>>82027539
why do you want to learn my teacher :^)?

>>82027611
Stop equating hermaphrodites with trannies. One is a genetic disorder, the other is mental.

What a difference between gender and social sex?

>>82027496
>The resulting culture is a product of the biological instincts.
So if our culture today is steering toward the widespread acceptance of trans people, it makes this shift normal and a product of our biological instincts.

>>82027641
Just curious lad, just curious. Also one of you

>>82027566
Trannies wanna be/are different socially constructed genders because biology is wrong

lol

>>82027644
Mental disorder does not exclude genetic influence.

>>82026591
Your chart fails to mention wealth disparity. If high taxes are killing the middle class then why are those that own the means of production getting richer then ever? Maybe you're missing a faction?

>>82027667
only a few people accept this tranny this
most people just tolerate it but dont accept it

>>82027566
But that's almost a moot distinction. The specifics of gender expectations may vary based on culture, but you still have a consistent theme across nearly every culture where child rearing is assigned to females and bread winning to males,

>>82027701
You could have said that about homosexuality 20 years ago. You could have said that about women's rights 150 years ago.

>>82027690
>If high taxes are killing the middle class then why are those that own the means of production getting richer then ever?

they arent middle class

>>82027687
But the thing is that it can and does.
They are different and should be handeled accordingly.

>>82026555
>Nothing is a social construct

This is false but most of what you said is completely correct. These people completely ignore the biologically instantiated nature of human behavior and specifically gendered behavior. However, things like boys wearing blue and girls wearing pink are clearly not biologically instantiated. I honestly think what these people mean when they say gender is the biologically instantiated phenomenon of gender with the socialized constructs around it. The problem is they ignore the biological and pretend that Biologically explainable behaviors are purely social constructs and thus arbitrary (they just aren't).

>>82026345

he obviously meant to say sex.

gender is a social construct.

>>82027727
Those didn't require surgery

>>82026412
>actually, the definition of gender is what changed

Yeah, and "transgender" suddenly start taking meds that change how you're programmed and thinking of or going through with surgery to make them the other sex

If they called them transsexuals, it'd be much better for everyone, no?

>>82027761
It really isn't though. The only thing backing this """fact""" up is pseudo-scientific wishful thinking on the part of sociologists and liberal arts majors.

>>82027766
Being a tranny doesn't require surgery you fucking dunce. The vast majority of them don't cut their dick off.

And that's completely ignoring the fact that cosmetic surgery is significantly more common among cisgendered people than transgendered.

>>82026825

I see what you're trying to say, but the fact that there are only two genders is an absolute truth. Saying there might be more than 2 genders is like saying the earth might be flat. Anything other than male or female is just in the mind. Trans people are mentally sick, I'm not trying to be an asshole to them or anything like that, it's just a fact. If fucking up their bodies actually helps them cope with their mental illness then I'm fine with it, why would I care anyway. But honestly I don't think it helps all that much considering how many of them end up committing suicide. I also don't think we should bullshit people or twist and turn "science" in a way that makes them feel better.

>>82027793
So theyre cross dresses who think they're a gender

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>>82027617
To be honest having children seems like huge risk that isn't worth it.

Why not just be with someone you love and not have to deal with the time and financial stress of a child that consumes some of the best years of your life to support?

After all that commitment they can STILL go down a shitty path no matter how well you raised them.

It's not like you're going to be lonely if you have a partner and both of you have the freedom to do whatever you want because a child doesn't have to factor into decisions.

inb4
>hurr you wouldn't be alive if your parents didn't have you.

Well I wouldn't have cared because I would have never existed.

>>82027813
>anything other than male or female is just in the mind.
Gender is in the mind. It's like your name, you're assigned it at birth.

You're confusing gender with biological sex.

>>82027501
This is a pure appeal to emotion and skirts away from the actual question at hand, whether or not culture/social constructs are biologically (more specifically genetically) instantiated.

>>82027793
>Being a tranny doesn't require surgery you fucking dunce
No, it only requires the development of hormones that they NEED or else they will kill themselves.
They're blood could be on your hands for not paying for their hormone therapy, you fascist.

>>82027727
Just another symptom of christianity failing to be a sustainable system.

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All this shit has reached this level only because America was unnecessarily xenophobic to this kind of people.

>>82027758
girls wanting to wear the color pink IS a biological genetic instinct

>>82027846
My name is arbitrary.
My gender has a vital role in child rearing.

How has this kinographié not been posted yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wllc5gSc-N8

>>82027727
accepting gay/trans people and being gay/trans are 2 different things

>>82027875
>it only requires the development of hormones that they NEED or else they will kill themselves.
Sounds pretty typical for a medical condition, desu. Based modern medicine.

>>82027918
>My gender has a vital role in child rearing.
You're confusing gender with biological sex.

>>82027882
>xenophobic
kill yourself

>>82027931

Then they're transsexuals, not transgender

Anyone taking hormones = transsexual

>>82027945
No he's saying actual woman have a biological instinct for child rearing

you gigantic fucking idiot

gas yourself
kill all leftists

What about transvestites? Aren't they just specifically into clothing of the opposite gender?

>>82027931
The point is completely sailing over your head, isn't it?
Your disorder should not be my obligation. If you want to know why my tolerance is pushed, then you have your answer.

>>82027895
I'd need a source on that honestly. Not even saying you're incorrect and maybe that was a bad example. Another issue with a lot of this is that social construct is in itself a very nebulous term in itself.

>>82027552
>Treating kids as kids and not pampering them 24/7
WOW I'm so glad this no longer allowed in the current year.

>>82027971
So you disagree with universal health care.

That's a different argument entirely.

>>82027945
gender is biological, attraction is biological, society is biological.

>>82027882
true. Racial segregation and criminalization of homosexuality is a completely, totally brainless shit only burgers can do.

>>82027945
No, I'm not.

What YOU'RE confusing is childrearing with reproduction. The act of raising children is not the same as simply giving birth to them, and cultural expectations have been extremely consistent throughout history regarding breadwinners and caretakers.

>>82027949
How can they be transsexual if we already agreed that sex cant be changed?

>>82026345

Sex and gender are interchangeable words with identical meanings in literally every scientific field.

It has only ever been considered a matter for debate by feminist philosophers, sociologists and a few fringe nutters in epigenetics. That is to say, it has never been considered a matter for debate by scientists.

It's literally an internet meme spread by liberal arts majors that has caught on like something out of The Wave, and publicly questioning the media machine's consensus would be enough to crucify any public figure. What a time to be alive.

>>82027970
Just trannies the jews havnt sold surgery and medicine to

yet

>>82027970

Crossdressers, transvestites, drag queens and whatnot, are nothing new; they're "transgender" in one way, and that's the appearance of being the opposite of what they're normally

Then you have transsexuals, which somehow also means transgender today, when it shouldn't going by the whole sex doesn't equal gender thingy

>>82027996
It really isn't, and only a fool will treat it as such.
These people consistently demand that I pay for their conversions. Why should I simply ignore that?

>>82027552
you could never have a show today where an old man is left alone with young children and can touch them

>>82028000 Biological is physical, therefore, everything is physical.
so let's talk about everything in a terms of physics.

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What went wrong?

>>82028023

Taking hormones is the same thing as getting your dick cut off or what have you

People keep on calling them transgender, when they're not; they're transsexual

This is using their terminology

>>82028013
Go fuck yourself with a baguette, Pierre.

>>82028084
why did they have to call it such a faggy name. "SISGENDERED"

Like i'm going to fucking identify myself with such a retarded label

>>82028086
But if we agree that gender is social construct and sex is biology they cant be transSEXual because they cant change their sex, thats the point.

>>82028139

Then their entire basis of argument breaks down

Ergo, gender and sex are one and the same

>>82026645
>implying hermaphrodites don't exist

>>82027970
They've been roped into the whole shebang: Eddie Izzard now calls himself "transexual"

>>82028179
Abominations of Slaanesh that ought to be purged

>>82028179
>implying hermaphrodites aren't a genetic defect

>>82028195
>Eddie Izzard now calls himself "transexual"

Source?

>>82028137

I think it's pretty appropriate. If you allow yourself to labelled like an exhibit by people who make millions of dollars selling overpriced drugs to sexually-confused mental timebombs, you deserve to be given a label that reminds you of what a little bitchboy you're being.

>>82028179

Male = almost half the population
Female = almost half the population
Disorder = very, very uncommon

That's not a spectrum; that's 3 separate entities

>>82028210
sure but they fall between or outside binary sexual identification.

>>82028216
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARKUJIoeZpw

>>82026833
you obviously never went to college

>>82026345
Illuminati or Scientologists got to him.

>>82028238

Which "male" and "female" don't gradually merge into

You're either male, female or "I have a very, very uncommon birth defect"

>>82028179
>humans of sub-saharan origin have black skin
>oh yeah, well what about albinos, checkmate christfags

Do you really think every otherkin genderfluid retard has a penis-clit?

>>82028083
YES! If biologists were to completely ignore the physical aspects of biology and pretend that somehow biology is above physics influence there would be issues. That is the issue, the social """"""""""""""""""""""sciences"""""""""""""""""" have been producing garbage that completely ignores or outright denies fundamental principles of biology, especially where behavioural research is concerned regarding the different genders. Merely identifying that women and men's brains are different grants you the label of neurosexist in many sociology faculties.

Sex and Gender were synonymous up until a few years ago. The whole "gender is not like Sex men it's a spectrum xddd" is a pathetic excuse used by degenerates which has no scientific basis whatsoever.

Sexual preferences =/= Gender , Sex

>>82028238
None of them had both functioning organs.

>>82027839
No kids here and can confirm. Gf and I are both engineers. Love the freedom, the double income, the time to ourselves and each other and more. I can go on facebook and literally view a timeline of my old friends, classmates and coworkers falling apart from the financial pressures, lack of sleep, strain and stress of children. Every one of their partners also getting fat. I'd hate to live like they do.

>>82028179

Hermaphrodite is an archaic term, the correct medical term is "intersex", which is a catch-all to describe the statistically insignificant group of people with defects in their sex-determinant chromosomes.

There is no spectrum - there are males, females and literal mutants whose mental and physical health is endangered to a level that no "transgender" person could possibly comprehend, regardless of how much they fuck with their hormone levels.

Unlike transsexuals, intersex people were born that way.

>>82028283
WithiIn the uncommon birth defect category I imagine it's quite varied possibly warranting a spectrum. But I really don't know enough about herms to say anything beyond speculation.

>>82028293
Not true, it's been a distinction for decades. It's only because of the internet you're aware of it now.

>>82027494
it's just political correctness.
I've your saying someone's sick, that implies they "have" to be cured in order to lead a fulfilling life.

I've got no problems with gays,trannies and whatnots, but you can't say they're normal from a biological standpoint. They're a flaw in nature's design. Like being born with 6 toes or something.

Is it normal? No.
Is it a problem for society? No

Why are we making such a big deal out of this.

>>82027962
>gas yourself
>kill all leftists
Why are conservatives so psychotic?

>>82026345
>WTF HAPPENED SINCE THEN???
he realized he can make fucktons of money pandering to faggot leftists and millennial goons. I don't blame him for that but when niggers try to show me his shit they can't expect me to take him seriously.

>>82028351

>But I really don't know enough

Just about the only thing you've gotten right so far.

>>82028327
>the time to ourselves
>and each other
hhhhmmmmm...

>>82028327
If you want an economic argument for children you should be aware that if you raise them properly then they're basically a fool-proof insurance scheme for later life

I mean, good luck when you're 50 and one of you dies

>>82028370
All i did was point out a group that doesn't belong in either gender category and suggest that one might be able to make a logical stretch to apply bill nye's statement to them. Idk what's incorrect about that in your view.

>>82028359
We're just rational.
Doing what's in our best interest.

>>82028430
We could happily retire on our current savings

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>>82028359
There's a difference between shooting someone directly, than infiltrating all the institutions and corupting them to the point that the entire civilization colapses on it's self. now that's psychotic

>>82028474
Things go wrong, that's the entire purpose of family: unconditional love

Some people also find utility in love itself, if you lose your one partner then you're on your own forever if you lose her in later life

>>82028498
I have a family already, 2 including hers.

>>82028519
>thinking sibling bonds are as strong as parental bonds

>>82028430
>I mean, good luck when you're 50 and one of you dies

There's always suicide.

>>82026471
nothing wrong about any of these
reality changes, populations change

>>82028293
>language is based in science
Nope.

>>82028529
That's very subjective anon and frankly I don't care if my bond to a potential son is stronger than my brothers or sister, its not a pissing contest.

>>82028137
It comes from cis-trans isomers from organic chem. But yeah, quite a moronic term.

>>82028430
>have ~10 children
>get them into trades
>found family business that monopolizes trade in your region
>pool money to invest
>have your ~10 children make at least 3 children each
>1 of those continue the trade, another goes to university to aid family run business, another one gets into key positions in the community (local politicians, police, firemen, doctors etc)
>continue until you essentially own your town
>use this tactic combined with nepotism to expand

>>82028265
I bet on Ashkenazi Merchant, always bet on the Merchant

>>82028563
I was talking simply in economising terms, parental bonds are stronger and it's more likely that your son will be there for you than your brother or sister will

Also it's more likely that your siblings will die in later life as opposed to your son who'll be at least 20 years your junior

>its not a pissing contest

Don't get salty when you realise that your smug "look at all these retard breeders WASTING their time and money" falls apart at a single glance

>>82028623
But we already ruled out the economic terms because I could retire right now

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Here in Russia In academic field and humans everyday language has always been term - "social sex", and no one has a problems with this conception. Anyone understand what a difference between "social sex" and "biological sex". What is your problem burgers?

>>82028354
The man who invented the word gender is a degenerate monster that should be jailed for experimenting with children btw.

Look up john money.

>>82027010
This argument is backed by nothing. It's written very nicely but it's obvious that he is 100% basing it off of crazy transsexuals he saw on the Internet and not any actual face-to-face interaction with them.
I guess verbosity is all it takes to convince some people though.

>>82028633
Shit happens, that's why insurance exists, and with family you're not subject to the whims of (((insurance companies))) or (((the economy)))

>>82027408
i get pedo vibes from trump

>>82028636
I prefer that word, it implies that the social side of biological sex is inherently determined by the biological sex itself

>>82028670
>with family you're not subject to the whims of (((insurance companies))) or (((the economy)))
no, you're just subject to the genetic lottery. what if your kid is born with severe down's syndrome or grows up to be a psychopathic killer or a chronic hard drug abuser?

having a kid is significantly more risky than not having one.

not that guy, by the way.

>>82028636
We call "social sex" gender, and "biological sex" sex. It's pretty simple to understand unless you're a republican.

>>82028712
And what if the kid grows up to be a billionare?

Sure it's risky, so are mortgages

It's pretty telling how /pol/ gets constantly mad at scientists and have to come up with convoluted conspiracy shit to pretend their beliefs aren't retarded

They will call themselves "rational" and 'stoic' too

>>82028670
What shit? Literally the only thing that could happen to significantly effect that is total financial collapse for my country at which point there are bigger problems than my retirement. If there was such a situation where my assets and wealth are reduced to 0 and my siblings abandon me then yeah I'd just kill myself. But why would I throw away the best years of my life for such a ridiculous, exceedingly unlikely possible outcome? The way I see it is the only good argument for children is the value in that process of upbringing and your relationship with them. If that doesn't appeal to me, there is simply no sound economic argument.

>>82028732
There's a lot more room for a kid to go wrong than for a kid to go right.

>>82028755
>There's a lot more room for a kid to go wrong than for a kid to go right.

That's disproven by the fact that 50% of the population aren't drug addicts

>>82028771
So drug addiction is the only metric for success now? We really have hit rock bottom

>>82028359
Because we don't want you on our planet.

>>82028750
>It's pretty telling how /pol/ gets constantly mad at scientists
This is a thread about Bill Nye, not scientists.

>>82028771
>drug addiction is the only thing that can go wrong
wew lad

>>82028751
> Literally the only thing that could happen to significantly effect that is total financial collapse for my country
>this is the average childfree retard's mentality

Debilitating illness? Then your wife leaves you and your only company is the phillipino nurse that changes your bedpan? Yeah, good luck with that lad

Some of us appreciate unconditional love, sorry you're too much of an autist to appreciate that

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>And do you remember Bill Nye?
>The science guy that blew off all out nips as kids and made us love science
>Well now, he is teaching young kids that trannys are part of evolution
>Making him
>... A BITCH

>>82028799
>>82028804

Swap out drug addiction for anything else, don't be obtuse

Over 51% of society is at least functioning

>>82028803
Bill Nye presenting generally accepted scientific progress is him as a proxy for scientists, dude

He hasn't changed a bit, you have

>>82026345

He needs money and came out of obscurity by nostalgia faggots, so jews used him to spread their marxist propaganda.

It's like you are stupid or something.

>>82028751
> If that doesn't appeal to me, there is simply no sound economic argument.

Do you convert all your money into gold and put it under the bed too?

>>82028807
Children's love is "unconditional" in the same way as siblings. Both of which are in reality very much conditional btw. Again, if I ever had a debilitating illness I'd kill myself.

>>82028869
>Children's love is "unconditional" in the same way as siblings

You have terrible parents, don't you

>>82028728
Except social sciences use the term to deny how important sex/genetics are to these socializations. that is the issue, not the fact that there is a distinction. This is an issue with the social sciences at the moment. https://academic.oup.com/sf/article-abstract/73/4/1267/2233196/Sociology-and-Biology-What-Biology-Do-Sociologists?redirectedFrom=PDF
It's a big debate that large swaths of the humanities want to ignore or even dismiss as oppressive. (I don't think you fully appreciate how fundamentally broken a lot of the social sciences is due to postmodernist influences and outright anti-science rhetoric).

>>82028890
So you have terrible siblings?

>>82028846
How's this any more rational than what you mentioned about /pol/ earlier?

>>82028750
fair point about /pol/ getting riled up

but the gender ideology is not science.
it does not match scientific standards.

>>82028935
What about it?

>>82028842
>51% of society is at least functioning
"at least functioning" is a pretty broad stroke. you could argue that a crackhead with a mcdjob and a slum apartment is "at least functioning."

>>82027589
Yes. Just like a sandwich is spaghetti because they're both food.

>>82026345
Cultural Marxism.

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>>82027411

>>82028858
Not only did I cover that in the comment you're replying to, but if the value of my currency were to fall to nothing so too would my children's wealth.

>>82028957
I asked how this position of yours is rational, anon.

You don't become a scientist by talking about science, no matter how hard the current pop science followers wish for it to be that way.

>>82026825
Gender theory isn't backed by the scientific method though. It's pure politics.

>>82027895
Boys used to wear pink until halfway through the 1900s

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/when-did-girls-start-wearing-pink-1370097/

>For example, a June 1918 article from the trade publication Earnshaw's Infants' Department said, “The generally accepted rule is pink for the boys, and blue for the girls. The reason is that pink, being a more decided and stronger color, is more suitable for the boy, while blue, which is more delicate and dainty, is prettier for the girl.”

you're an idiot

>>82028846
The only progression science has made on this is the process of turning a dick inside out. Did he talk about that, or did he talk about social constructs?

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>>82028458
>everyone who disagrees with me should be killed
>rational

>>82029022
Wait, do you not understand what the word proxy means? Or what science communicators do?

>>82029037
no, just anyone that uses violence against me

>>82026453
>holding a man and woman's brain
Is he talking about the differences between them? Or pretending like there aren't any and that they're both "the same"? Or about how even after surgery and hormones your brain will always be a man's.

>>82029048
Reading other peoples lines for a show doesn't make one a proxy, it makes them an actor.

>>82029029
I was talking more about global warming, trannies are much more a cultural thing that he shouldn't dip his toes into

>>82028356

The problem isn't "flaws in nature's design", these are people whose brains have been infected with a psychosexual virus and we are now being forced to be complicit in their continued distress. Transgenderism isn't some mystical, previously unheard-of third form of the human, it's a dominance-related sexual fetish that gets horribly out of control.

Sure, it's "biological" and results from "different hormone levels", in exactly the same way that any other fetish is - the problem begins when a person becomes so enthralled in their fantasy of being on the other side of the bed that they refuse to return to reality after they've got their rocks off. It becomes delusion, which can develop into full-blown psychosis.

Treatment for delusions should always allow for a certain amount of "enabling" the false reality, because attempting to suddenly burst the sufferer's bubble can cause a psychotic break, so treatment for gender dysphoria not so long ago typically asked families and psychologists to kind of "go along with it" while the patient is gently brought back down to earth with anti-psychotic meds.

That treatment, for purely political and financial reasons, has been replaced with an unhealthy opposite, wherein the patient eventually "comes out", is publicly praised for their "bravery", and no attempt is ever actually made to correct their delusional state.

They're given hormones and disfiguring surgery instead of anti-psychotics, and their "doctors" find excuses for ignoring the Hippocratic Oath because there's a lot more money to be made in an illness that you never actually try to cure.

A simple sexual fetish is transformed into an obscene, mind-consuming circus, then plastered onto our screens and we're expected to be okay with all that or else WE are the ones branded as immoral.

It is, most definitely, a problem for society, or rather a symptom of a much larger problem - collective denial of reality whenever it becomes more profitable to do so.

>>82027948
What's wrong with that word? It's certainly better than raycisss

>>82028238

>binary sexual is made of male and female
>somehow have both
>hurrrr it's outside the system

>>82029048
Do you think you turn into a scientist because you talk about science, anon?

>>82029106
Where did I say that?

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>>82027589
just as long as you don't identity as "emo"

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>>82028846

people keep saying that he is a proxy but he is a hack

Brian cox would fit the role of proxy and is also a Professor of particle physics at Manchester university

Bill is making americans more retarded thinking they know science after listing to his dribble and repeating it instead of actually inspiring them to get into the sciences

>>82026453
>spectrum
On a hypothetical spectrum or on a real spectrum? Since gender is social construct we can create as many genders as we want(let it be 155467467) and it's will be a real spectrum. But today we have only 2 gender, only two social roles of this type, and it's not a spectrum.

>>82029116
You implied it here >>82028846 and here >>82028750


I'm currently talking about Bill Nye, does that make me a Bill Nye proxy? I'm really curious about how this works in your mind

>>82028575
Pretty stupid considering trans comes from transition in this case

>>82029156
You really don't understand what proxy means, do you? It doesn't mean "is equal to".

It's either that or you're just genuinely illiterate.

>>82026345
He was killed and replaced by and alien shapeshifter, just like Miley Cirus

>>82029088
>That treatment, for purely political and financial reasons, has been replaced with an unhealthy opposite, wherein the patient eventually "comes out", is publicly praised for their "bravery", and no attempt is ever actually made to correct their delusional state.
Do you have any evidence that the "unhealthy opposite" is truly unhealthy and not, in fact, a superior treatment?

>>82029173
> Proxy- the authority to represent someone else, especially in voting

I think the key argument is whether one could consider Bill an authority on what he is teaching.

>>82029173
"proxy" is completely irrelevant to your initial claim of people getting mad at scientist and me pointing out that this thread couldn't be about that since Bill Nye the Bachelor in Mechanical Engineering guy isn't a scientist.

I then asked how these mental gymnastics are more rational than what you accuse /pol/ of.

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>>82026830
>modeling reality
>>82026830
>very prone to bias
>>82026830
>more normal than normal

>>82027501
That is correct, there is no biological reality to the notion that there exists free will, at most you have only a scant tiny percent of actually affecting your own actions and making choices.

>>82029088

This, I agree with. I never considered what started the process. I thought they just wanted to end up exactly as they do, a kind of frankenstein plastic surgery nightmare.

There must be moments of clarity well down the road?

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Time to swallow your red pill

>>82026345
literal illuminati brainwashing

>>82029227

Yes, namely the fact that hormone treatment and gender reassignment surgery never result in the reversal of gender dysphoria, occasionally worsening it.

While it's true that suicide rates drop after surgery, the delusions obviously persist and have become reinforced by physical and chemical changes to the body.

If you consider patients living nearly-normal lives with HIV to be "superior" to completely cleansing their body of HIV and allowing them to return to full health, then I guess we've arrived at a "superior" treatment for gender dysphoria.

Meanwhile, the perfectly healthy friends and families of dysphoric patients will all just have to agree to permanently deny reality and accept their loved ones' obviously-distressing illness as a fixture that can never be removed. If anyone raises an objection, they'll be shouted down and branded a bigot because the truth is part of the "inferior" treatment and we don't do that any more.

The world is literally going mad, and this is television being used to normalise the madness.

>>82026528
umm no there has gay people for hundreds of years

>>82027411
This should be the definition.

>all these people who let some guy on a TV tell them that a basic word's definition has changed in the last few years

how much of a drone can you be

>>82028457
>there are people born with defective organs so everything is a spectrum

>>82029088
>Hippocratic Oath
As if any medic actually gives a shit about that, the moment a medic won't treat you because he's not getting paid 5 figures for it he's already shitting all over the hippocratic oath.

>>82026345
He got a nice paycheck from Netflix to make a propaganda show.

>>82026345

Bill tried to help these freaks, but they turned him down anyway when his science began to contradict their agenda.

>>82028356
This pretty much entirely this. I don't think transgenders or homosexuality are necessarily a problem. I believe people are free to do whatever they want as long it only affects them. However, I also think that these factors are not natural and are brought up entirely by social factors. Regardless, as soon as you mention them not being "natural" normies lose it.

>>82029554

There's a big moral difference between expecting to be paid for your time and deliberately worsening a patient's condition for the sake of increasing your profits. A massive difference.

The Hippocratic Oath is "First, do no harm", not, "Provide your skills all the time to anyone".

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vo-XgqPNxU

lit

>>82028538
But someone forces the change

>>82028356
>Is it normal? No.
>Is it a problem for society? No
>Why are we making such a big deal out of this.
Because society is being told it's normal. It's like common core math, except people care. We know that isn't how it works, stop teaching it to the kids.

>>82029645
>"third reich"

Closed the video.

>>82029655
"no"

>>82026453
>has a bachelor's
>people regard him as an intellectual
Ayy lmao

>>82026345
He became Bill Nye the Political Correctness Goy.

>>82027294
Anyone have this Pepe on full size?

>>82026345
He's been trying to "comeback" for many years now.

He realized sincerely trying to be the world's high school science teacher was not working so now he just panders to millenials born in 1997 desperate need to feel connected to the 90's and justifies their opinions with "IT'S SCIENCE".

IT'S SCIENCE. IF I SAY ITS SCIENCE THEN THAT MEANS WHAT I SAID IS IRREFUTABLE. OH YOU HAVE OBJECTIONS? YOU'RE DEBATING AGAINST SCIENCE MAN. ANTI-INTELLECTUALISM IS ON THE RISE.

>>82029689
Common core is good, it teaches the inner workings of mathematical concepts, as opposed to mindless rote memorization. Did you bother to listen to anyone who knows what they're talking about, or just special ed /pol/ tards whose agenda is claiming they're being victimized by everything regardless of the facts or their lack of expertise?

>>82029689
>Because society is being told it's normal

This

>>82029450
>While it's true that suicide rates drop after surgery
To be precise anon, the drop below pre-transition tranny rates, but still well above normal person. Even well above gay person.
>b-but it's because of discrmination!
NOPE! Trannies who pass are more, not less, likely to commit suicide.
http://www.cjcmh.com/doi/abs/10.7870/cjcmh-2011-0020?src=recsys&

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>>82029723
But

>>82026555
gender is a social construct, there's nothing inherent that makes think "i am male" other than my physiology
if you were born on a planet with no other humans somehow and went your entire life as the only creature of your species, you'd have no concept of gender
which is why transgenderism is fucking stupid, needing to dress like the opposite sex and take hormones is the only way you won't be a suicidal fuckwit? except they still kill themselves

He always seemed like a bit of asshole after the show ended. Sure, he's dealing with absolute retards, but we wore his frustration on his sleeve.

>>82029790
bill nye being a pandering slut doesn't mean that population changes and immigration aren't something that has been occurring since the dawn of time

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>>82029382
I honestly wouldn't give many doctors that much credit today.

This bitch is a pediatrician and did this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bvq07KBfhnQ

>>82027552
>this fucking guy
will he ever return to btfo Bill Nye?

>>82029814
>gender is a social construct, there's nothing inherent that makes think "i am male" other than my physiology
lmao
Why do you post anti-scientific bullshit and expect people to take you seriously?
You think instincts don't exist?
You don't believe in human evolution?
How dumb are you?

>you'd have no concept of gender
That's extremely false and almost no scientist would agree with this ABSURD notion.
Said human would still have strong instincts, he or she would probably end up with mental disorders or something because his instincts don't match the culture.

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>>82029825
I know, but stuff lately feels forced, whites are just being put under the gutter these days

>>82027501
there's free will to choose what you'll do each day but not what your fucking sex will be when you're born retard

>>82027589
this is a surprisingly solid argument actually
all the so-called properties of gender that trannies have this mental need to attain apply independently to goths too (except for different sex organs)
>distinct, separate fashion sense
>different use of makeup
>discriminated against for how they look
>desire to have paler skin and black hair despite their natural biology

The difference is that goths don't kill themselves or give tens of thousands to doctors

>>82029929
>jailed for thinking different.

>>82027768
They used to be called transsexuals ten years ago
I don't know what changed desu
I guess it's an attempt to circumvent obvious biology?

>>82029825
Yes, mass migration to non colonial countries was totally a thing before the second half of the 20th century.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx_VoH0C8G4

Do you see 'white people' complaining about other races taking and using 'white people's" scientific breakthroughs and technological advances for their own use?
This shit really needs to stop.

>>82029914
>hurr
great argument fagtron

>>82026345
please tell me people have been tweeting this pic at him all week

>>82030053
>white people, I hate you but you have to let me into your country.

>>82026591
It's now considered normal to want to mutilate your childs genitals, give them hormones which completely ruin their developing system, and turn them into a different gender because when they were 3 years old they said "mommy! I'm a girl!"

This is like a South Park episode come to life, where the parents are doing something so fucking stupid. Why the fuck would you take anything a 3 year old says literally? They barely know how to tie their shoes and count to 20. Some kids still shit their pants at that age, but when they say they feel like they're a boy/girl, we're suppose to ENCOURAGE that and fully believe them? And just ignore the fact that kids say silly shit all the damn time and go through silly phases?

>>82030053
I fucking hate the very concept of cultural appropriation. It is so dumb at such a fundamental level that it honestly baffles me.

>>82030053
>god white people are so stupid!!!
>but pls let me and my family into your countries

Does he believe what he's saying or is he just trying to be relevant again with the younger generation again? he should be aiming for the youngest gen as millenials are beyond hope.

>>82030121
never too late to start anon

>>82026345
DELETE THIS SHITLORD!

>>82030226
Everyone who has a stable presence in the entertainment industry is either a whore or a top-tier A-lister who can pretty much do whatever they want.

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1300/J485v08n01_03 "Prevalence of Childhood Trauma in a Clinical Population of Transsexual People"

>In our study of transsexual people, 55% reported experiencing an unwanted sexual event before the age of 18, with the average age of initial sexual contact being 13.

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885 "Long-Term Follow-Up of Transsexual Persons Undergoing Sex Reassignment Surgery"

>Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population.

>>82030062
I had an argument, you simply ignored it.
You lose.

Someone on /pol/ said the show was basically like the Wiggles for millennial adults. The more I watch the more apt that description is. It's like a kids show. Just regurgitating puerile opinions back at the viewer in a childish way. Reaffirmation.

>Hey, kids! Can you tell me how many genders there are?
>....
>That's right, infinite! Now, lets hear a song about it from MC some jew
>[Song that took 5 minutes to write and every "punchline" is PENIS, BOOB, VAGINA, REPUBLICANS, CHRISTIANS]

>>82030226
Gen Z don't watch actual programs
The best way to appeal to them would be to make a reaction video to this with the most ridiculous shit cherry-picked
bonus points if the reactioner frequently goes on substantiated rants about what it seems like to them, audibly expressing their emotions every 5 seconds

>>82027408
You sound like a libtard calling someone they don't like racist and all the other -cists

When you tell a child that he/she can change gender if they feel like it they do not understand it involved turning their penis inside out or taking leg tissue and creating a false penis out ofit. They think there's a magic pill that will make them change genders.

Every child wonders what it would be like to be different gender. It's a phase. They also love to "change" their name for a month or two.

>>82028327
HAHAHAHA

literally /r/childfree, litearlly reddit

holy CRAP i hope this is satire.

>>82030226
Gen Z doesn't give a shit about 90's nostalgia.

Gen Y loves 90's notstalgia because they were born post '96 and feel bad for not actually remembering the 90s.

>my sister was born in 97 but acts like she watched every single early 90's cartoon.

>>82027589

In today's world mayonaise and attack helicopter are genders.

>>82030394
I don't agree with childfree, but you're a huge faggot and the reason why people post bad meme images of stupid fat people having 10 children and intelligent whites having none.

>>82030374

I remember I wanted to be Batman and the Green Power Ranger but I can understand the principle

>>82030459
I dont give a shit what you do with your life but that post was so insufferable and cliche of these types of people that I had to reply to it

>>82027411
Sterile women are men?

>>82028483
>He fell for the conspiracy meme
Absolutely psychotic

>>82030506
I'm not that guy, which was clear from the first 5 words from my post.

Fucking retard.

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>>82030649
You're a brainlet who cannot comprehend me using "you" to address the general person. Is everything really about you? The world revolves around you?

Here's an example: I say "You should be able to get healthcare for free"

Do I mean YOU specifically? No, I don't give a crap about [you]. Don't flatter yourself, you're so unimportant to me that I wouldn't bother addressing a post to you before this one.

>>82030695
>I was using the "royal" you.

Did not read the rest of your post.

>>82030695

That's just terrible grammar, you pleb fucking shit.

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>>82028817
loving every laugh anon

>>82026345
Doctors and biologists discovered there's more to gender than just chromosomes and thus rightly revised their understanding of it.

>>82026345
People decided to distinguish between gender and sex to better explain trangenderism.