Is Luke Skywalker a Mary Sue?

he's the most famous mary sue in history.

So is Yoda

>>82002637
He used to bullseye womp rats in his T-16 back home.

No because he's a pathetic bitch in the first movie and only starts to grow up in the second where he gets his ass handed to him by his father

>>82002674
Literally Luke S.

Lucas.

>starts off as a whiny bitch
>gets his ass kicked through most of the first two films
>han hates him at first
hmm....

>>82002637
No, it's just a pathetic attempt to justify Rey as anything but a shitty character

No.

He got saved from being killed numerous times in the first movie.

He got his hand cut off by his daddy in the second.

He had to get his daddy to save his ass again at the end of the third movie.

The answer is no.

No.

everyone in Star Wars is a Mary Sue

>>82002637
The only thing he was inexplicably good at was piloting and even then he needed Han and ghost Ben to help him out.

>>82003253
It wasn't inexplicable. He used to bullseye womprats in his t16 back home

the only time he actually "won" was in ANH

ESB was basically him being reckless/overconfident and thus getting his ass handed to him

in ROTJ he would have died if Vader didn't have a change of heart

so no, he isn't

>>82002637
>>82002674
No, he's like Naruto. And like Naruto he literally needed EVERYONE to stay alive and to be successful. And at the end of it all, Even with the Sage of the Sixth Paths Power, their asses were saved by a ghost who had the power to warp realms and decided to return to the land of the living and give his chakra to an old friend once more.

>>82003323
Great post, anon.

Hopefully the next movie will fix the flaws set by JJ.

>>82003647
That's not how movies work. That's a sign of a shit story teller, of which J.J isn't even a shit story teller, in fact he's not a story teller at all.

George Lucas, despite all his faults is an awesome story teller. His finished product isn't as great but he tells a believable story, every time.

>>82003358
>I used to pilot a cessna
>take this F-22, it's basically the same

>>82003765
True points, but what I was getting at is that the next movies will not be written or directed by JJ, so there is that...

>>82003799
Idk anon, I played x-wing vs tie-fighter and piloting them wasn't that hard

>>82003799
That's not the same thing, and you bloody know it. IN star wars, you retarded Rey shill, There's interchangeability. The Only exception is frigates, and destroyers and the Millinium Falcon, which was a custom made Freighter.

Anakin's pod racer's controls were exactly like the controls in the attack wing he piloted.

>>82003827
Rian Johnson's no better than J.J. because he has exactly, Zero Creative Input. It'll be more of the same.

>>82003827
They didn't hire a cook or a chef, or even an interior decorator. They hired a security guard, or more accurately, they hired a driver to get the stuff on location, on time. A driver has no say in whose in the car or where they're going. He's just hired to get people there, and that's Rian Johnson.

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>>82004031
No, Rian Johnson will definitely make the pacing and dialogue much better and there will be no filler scenes like in TFA.
>Snoke: "We shall see... We shall see..."
Just you wait and see. I have trust!

>>82004275
In that regard, he'd be no more than a janitor, cleaning the offices. Whereas the actual ground work and substance of that office will be the doing of other people. IN this regard, Disney and the dyke feminist, Kennedy.

>>82004031
>>82004551
Nah, bro. Stop being so autistic and enjoy the movies.

>>82002786
bingo. Luke couldn't even get his tie fighter out of the swamp.

>>82005581
YOUR OWN BLASTED SHIP, YOU MUST LIFT.

>>82002637
>watches his mentor get killed in the first film instead of helping him and blasting Vader in the head
>In the second movie he gets his gunner killed, gets his best friend frozen in carbonite and shipped off to a sand nigger slug, then gets his ass kicked and his hand hacked off
>In the final film he almost gets his ass eaten at sand nigger slug hotel, surrenders like a bitch, gets his ass kicked all over the new Death Star, and has to have his battered old dad save his ass while his friends take on the empire

Nah.

He was kind of a punk.

>>82005344
Did you see what they did in The Force Awakens? There's no, enjoying the movies anymore. It's dead.

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>>82002734
H-holy

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>>82002637
It doesn't matter. In the context of the OT it worked.
Still no. 1 childhood crush. Wish I could go back to that innocent time.

>>82003323
Saving this for later.

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>>82007070
Why is /tv/ so gay for Mark Hamil?

>>82003323
>Implying it won't be revealed that Rey had previously undertaken training and her mind was wiped

That would make her not a Mary Sue, but it still won't excuse these Disney films from being utter shit

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>>82007467
He is cute and feels safe..

>>82002734
Just like the new girl's last name is "mixer".

>>82002713
900 years of training and batlle experience

OK

>>82003799
Worked fine in Independence Day.

>>82003323
the definitve argument

>>82002637
>is a whiny, immature cunt
>good pilot but doesn't know shit about space travel (which Han chastises him for)
>needs help from Obi and Han to destroy Death Star
>barely entry level competence with Force until meeting Yoda
>learns nothing and gets wrecked at Bespin
>finally getting somewhere after three years
>rescues a friend with help
>finally defeats Vader on Death Star
>makes morally correct choice and then gets wrecked again
>saved by his dad

>>82008054
That's because George Lucas is a story teller. I'd bet you a billion dollars that Kathleen was the one who set up the sale to Disney. She wormed her greasy fingers in there hoping to create something she could put her stamp on. IN her mind, it's the next best thing to being President. Creates an irreparably broken Protagonist. The most serious case of a broken character ever seen in Hollywood history.
Because JJ and Kennedy sucks at story telling, something George excels at, the trilogy is little more than a prequel fiasco with people just getting through to it until its completion.