People fear what they don't understand.

or maybe people do understand, but just don't like what they were given.

>>82000455
Ultimate Man-K i n o

i fear shitty movies that waste 3 hours of my life.

Why do people pretend like this wasn't just another popular blockbuster? it made 800 million dollars. Yall act like it's some obscure arthouse film. It was a blockbuster that way underperformed because Snyder is a hack. Now he's bringing quips into Justice League because he has no artistic integrity. Can you stop spamming this movie?

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>>82000455

>>82000902
It's literally the most expensive art house film. It also literally the greatest film ever

>>82000994
You faggots almost sound like you're being serious sometimes.

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>>82001359
I know where your coming from. I used to be like you but then I actually watched the movie I realized it was a masterpiece. Watch it with an open mind sometime.

what movies have you marvelfaggots directed? i'll wait

>>82001423
I can't roll my eyes hard enough.

>>82001423
R/dc_cinematic friendo

>>82001423
they don't call him Zack "Kubrick" Snyder for nothing

Nice job stealing that from X-Men The Animated Series, faggot.

>>82001423

>if you can't make anything good on your own, steal


>>82001481

>what movies have you marvelfaggots directed?

Are you retarded? Have YOU directed anything? Or do you just spend your time sucking the dick of a guy who regurgitates superior work into your face but with the names changed so you can scream 'KINO!' ?

>>82001503
Pride comes before the fall

>>82001504
Reddit hates bvs and the only redditors who like it like it because they misunderstood the film and sympathized with luthor

>>82001423
Bravo Snyder.

>>82001578
>taking inspiration from religious art to help highlight a narrative point of how the world would react to a being like superman
>Stealing
Try harder

how does he do it, bros?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwwlXFXXPNE

>>82001423
You're too much of a pleb to understand why you're a pleb.

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>>82002008
I used to hate movies without seeing them too. I deemed movies I never saw as "pleb" like yourself but as a joke I decided to watch bvs and was pleasantly surprised

>people who don't like the film pretending the film is a masterpiece to trigger other people who don't like the film

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>>82001578
>>if you can't make anything good on your own, steal
So Stanley kubricks a master theif right?

>>82002246
no memeing here BvS is 8.5/10. besides 4chan is a DC/Snyder stronghold

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>>82000455
>>82000994
>>82002163
>>82002546
BvS:UE was fine, aside from shoehorned WW and Doomsday. But why is it always at the forefront of DC kino on this board? Man of Steel always takes the backseat whenever these films are discussed even though its infinitely more better than BvS and SS.

THIS is Zach Snyder's true masterpiece

>>82002757
This.

BvS will be a future cult classic don't get me wrong but the movie is too ahead of it's time,
i've seen it 8 times and i've only begun to scratch the surface at all the themes and ideas the movie tackles. it's genius.

MoS however is the perfect Superhero film. it embodies the true meaning of the american hero and so much more.
it is the Godfather of superhero films and will likely never be topped.

>>82000455
i would love if they did flashpoint paradox version and make him look emaciated

>>82002546
I'm in the same boat here, I loved the movie but I wonder how many people here say they did to trigger others. does /tv/ really like it on average?

>>82002757
I agree with your criticisms of bvs but mos isn't perfect. Nolan kept Snyder from fulfilling a spectacular vision that could've been realized. Quite frankly there was too much mindless action without any emotions or motivation attached to it. They also botched the build up/origin story pretty bad, exploring it a little more would've helped break the pacing of the film better. There's also music and loud explosions constantly(before you say that doesn't matter watch this https://youtu.be/NUrTRjEXjSM )
Zod was a terrific villian though, one of the best I've seen done, the score was pretty good, and the third was nearly flawless but the first two are heavily flawed.

>>82003054
There are people who actually loved the movie but they aren't saying things like it's "too ahead of it's time" and "it's genius"

these are the people out to trigger and fortunately for them people are retarded and will snap up the bait

>>82003066
*third act

>>82001423

Upvoted for roleplaying the "MOS was good meme" to the next level

>>82000649

When 90% of questions, critiques, and talk about the movie misunderstands basic facts about it, I don't think people really understand it.

>>82004509
t. Pleb

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Yeah bro...true...

>>82005005
>fucking 9fag.

Does that shithole site still exist?

>>82000455
People spam what they cannot sell.
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/search/text/People%20fear%20what%20they%20don%27t%20understand/

>>82005766
Yes and it's considerably bigger than both 4chan and reddit.

>>82005005
>if you are a comic book reader, its a damn great awesome movie
i dont even know where to begin to show you how wrong is that sentence.

>>82000455
Is that why they made a shit Dark Knight rip-off Superman film hoping it would sell?

>>82008007
Nolan wishes he could do an action movie half as good as Zack "Kubrick" Snyder

>>82005766
>does that shithole site still exist
>in response to a week old meme

>>82001423

We must forgive the haters, for they know not what they do. Most people simply lack the mental facilities to understand. They transgress upon masterful art in there unwillful ignorance.

I literally cried in the theater when I finally understood the allusions and metaphors Synder put on display. I doubt we will see anything come close to this for at least 50 years, if not more.

>>82002757
The theatrical cut is actually the kino cut, patricians know this. Man of Steel is still better though, greatly agree.

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>>82001423

So if I made a porn movie where a bunch of fat women was fucking horses in St. Peter's Basilica with a guy looking like Jesus walking in the background it would be kino according to Snyder autists?

>>82000455

Show me anything even close to this in DC garbage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z09qIekuFg

>>82008963
Brian Singer is a faggot who fucks little boys on set, and his movies are oozing with homosexuality. He's a disgusting pederast and his movies reflect his sick worldview. The X-men are also a stand in for Jews, it's so hamfisted and self absorbed.

>>82009084
>Brian Singer is a faggot who fucks little boys on set
True

>and his movies are oozing with homosexuality
Also true

> He's a disgusting pederast and his movies reflect his sick worldview.
Still following

>The X-men are also a stand in for Jews,
Only Magneto, the villain that's constantly forgiven his transgressions because of his tragic past.

Also, First Class wasn't made by Singer.

>>82008931
Only if you were very, very, very clear they weren't supposed to be jerking off to what is clearly pornography.

And to make that point, the way snyder does, all the women would have to be intensely hot.

>>82008840
I know how you feel, I feel such sadness for those who haven't even given Snyder a chance. Man of steel made me become a Christian.

>>82008931
No, because Snyder uses religious imigary as a story device to allude to larger themes. What you described would be buñuel tier

who here /martha/

>>82010269
>Snyder uses religious imigary as a story device to allude to larger themes

Feel free to post even a single example of this.

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>>82010360
The scene when superman dies draws very strong allusions to the death of Christ. Supermans characters is an allegory for Christ and doomsday is an allegory for mans sins and superman sacrifices himself to defeat doomsday mirroring death dying for our sins. The scene is done in the same way many depictions of Christs death these could interpreted as a literal comparison or as a device to show us a human perception of a being of great power.

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>another bvs thread

>>82010511
Okay.

How does that allude to larger themes?

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>>82010580
>>82010360
>>82008963
>>82008007
>>82005005
>t. buttblasted marvlels who are frustated that DC proved itself to be too big for them to understand
pic related: a scene mareddit will never come close to emulating

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>>82010615
It's pretty self explanatory but the messiah allegory ultimately goes back to the main themes of rising above the darkness of this world for valor. We see this themes expressed in a religious sense and secular sense through the different characters.

>>82010769
So you've gone into three things so far that are completely self-explanatory.

How do those things allude to larger themes?

>>82008926
>The theatrical cut is actually the kino cut, patricians know this

Agree 100%. The ultimate edition meme will die off soon hopefully.

>>82010809
I've pretty much explained it what more do you want?

>>82010906
How any of that alludes to larger themes.

I'm looking for something here that isn't completely obvious to the point of being insulting.

If you can't explain or connect to any larger themes, then you've failed to prove the initial assertion that snyder ever alludes to larger themes than what is patently obvious.

>>82000455
What is there not to understand. Superman destroys a city to set up the next movie where batman hates him for ~10minutes and then they become BFFs and team up to kill a giant CGI wubstep booger.

>>82001423
jfc Snyder is a genius.

what kind of man are you Snyder?

>>82010952
>If you can't explain or connect to any larger themes, then you've failed to prove the initial assertion that snyder ever alludes
You asked how Snyder alludes to larger themes through religious symbolism I explained that he uses to draw allusions between Christ and nietzschean philosophy to draw back to the main theme and to also present in a light similar to our increasing polarized world. If that doesn't answear your initial question than your just trying not to like the movie in the most contrarian way plausible. The thing that's made the movie so liked is that there are multiple ways themes and angles in the movies to analyze.

>>82001858
this is clearly your video

please try to be subtle when shilling

>>82011186
Again, those aren't larger themes. They're _the_ themes. They're the completely obvious and overt themes directly being established by the use of religious imagery.

I'm asking for how the use of religious imagery alludes to larger themes. You've done nothing but illustrate the completely flat, surface level, completely overt themes.

I just hate Lex Luthor so much. That faggot wannabe joker ruins the movie more than anything else.

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>>82011403
>I just hate Lex Luthor so much.
what a fucking pleb. Eisenberg should have gotten an Oscar for his performance. fuck the haters

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>>82011335
The religious symbolism used to draw the connections between the Christ allegory and as a device to contrast the nietzschean philosophy is used to present the theory of christus victor, a theory of atonement, and what the death of Christ/cross would achieve. The prophecy, is battle that takes place between the Son of Man and the Satan that would play out with Jesus and the devil ultimately striking each other simultaneously. We see this theologically rich metaphor played out in the end of bvs. We see the theroy expressed through other symbols such as the spear of batman being the spear of the Roman soldiers killing Christ and superman using it to kill doomsday shows even further that they are incorporating the theory to help express the divine exchange Jesus commited. The nietzschean theme being expressed is contrasted with the religious symbolism to highlight the idea man did create God in his own image but rather he created the devil in response to God's presence. The literal translation of übermench being superman

>>82012624
I know, I know my English isn't that great

>>82011430

>If God is all-powerful, he can't be all-good.
Okay, this could be interesting. Maybe something about how power corrupts? The freedom to make your own rules makes you disregard those of others?

>Because if he is all-good, then he can't be all-powerful.
Wait, WHAT?! This doesn't actually follow and it's just turned the whole thing into a terrible circle of bad reasoning.

Is this seriously what people think is good writing?

>>82011430
People fail to understand the brilliance of BvS because they can't think like a genius who is plagued by his own intelligence and demons. When Batman hears the name "Martha", he doesn't go "wow his mom has the same name as my mom", he goes "Whatever this alien has gone through in his life...he has become human." When Lex talks, it's because his narcissism and ego have convinced him he is as close to god as he can, and the presence of Niezche's Ubermensch threatens his status as a living god. He is scared, and it's the first time he's been scared since his father was alive.

Essentially, reddit doesn't understand the psychopath unless he's yelling out CHIMICHANGA or WUB A LUB A DUB DUB

>>82000455
Why do people act like this flick is so complicated?

This movie literally has a scene in the middle of the movie where it cuts to Perry White in his office yelling about where Clark Kent is. Any logical film would obviously then cut to Clark Kent doing Clark Kent things or being Superman.

But no it cuts to Lois Lane. Why? Bad editing.

If bad editing, ham fisted religious diatribes, and religious imagery make a film kino. Then around 80% of capeshit is kino.

Marvel and DC are both trash.

But Snyder trash is the worst. Because it thinks its smart, when in reality it isn't and people like you assume because it isn't well received is because it's too smart for everyone else.

This movie will be forgot in 5 years.

And those who think Snyder is the modern Kubrick have to be brain dead.

Snyder can frame great shots, yeah cool.

Listen to his commentaries. He has no insight. He literally made things up on the day of shoots because he thought they looked cool.

He is a frat boy who pretends to love Ayn Rand objectivist trash.

Stop shilling this trash.

Oh by the way The Secret Life of Pets made more money then this garbage.

>>82000455
Also you have to love how people spout out that Zack Snyder is some auteur film maker. Yet his Justice league has the exact same formula as that shit Avengers movie.

-Mcguffin cubes need to be found.
-Big primary color villain wants them
-Sends his subordinate with a horned helmet to retrieve it.
-Army of grey worthless CGI soldiers
-Heroes fight

Hell I wont be surprised if Snyder has the exact same reveal for Darkseid as Thanos.

Fuck capeshit is cancer

>>82001551
Only neckbeards on /tv/ call him that.

>>82013062
>primary colours
>in a snyder capeshit

anon please, it'll be a dark monotone grey or black villain

>>82012942
>this one cut was bad, therefore I have objective proof the whole movies bad
This is what marvelshills actually think

>>82001853
Then Superman Returns is ultra Kino.

Oh and if you say otherwise its because you dont get it

>>82013062
>Man of steel, structured around platos republic
>Bvs, structured around the bible and nietzsches philosophical writings
b-but justice league will be marvel tier.
See the picture from>>82012624

>>82012942

>this doesn't cut the way I think it should so it's bad

>>82013186
I've literally never made the argument that people disliked bvs because they didn't get. They disliked it because they saw the objectivity worst theatrical cut or had preconceived notions and hated it before seeing it.

>>82009084
YOu realize this wasnt directed by Bryan Singer right?

>>82010755
SOMEONE TELL ME WHY THE FUCK THEIR HANDS DO NOT CONNECT WHEN SUPERMAN TRIES TO PUNCH BATMAN AND HE BLOCKS IT

>>82009084
>The X-men are also a stand in for Jews,
They stand for anyone thats different.

They were created to represent the Civil Rights movement.

Martin Luther King = Prof. X
Malcolm X= Magneto

Fact.

>>82010511
Funny dont remember Jesus ever breaking anyones neck.

Whats the religious imagery of Superman letting Jimmy Olsen die? Then saving Lois Lane and then killing a middle eastern man by throwing him through like 5 stone walls

>>82010906
How are these too smart for everyone? Every single person ive talked to about this understood the imagery.

doesnt stop it from being a bad movie.

It doesnt deserve its RT score. But it doesnt deserve much higher

>>82011430
Funny because you all hate Max Landis and Eisenberg has said he based his mannerisms off of Landis

>>82013546
I never ever said it was too smart for anyone. He asked me about the religious symbols and I explained it.

>>82013480
I was explaining the scenes that were based off religious/theological moments. Some of the scenes serve different elements other than to be solely a a comparison to Jesus. For example in certain scenes superman parallels Joseph and in others the archangel Michael

>>82013808
So having religious imagery that is obvious to well everyone makes this a good movie? okay got it.

Maybe if it was more subtle I could agree. The Death of Superman was always a story that was supposed to be about the crucifixion.

Pretending Snyder did something groundbreaking by having him stabbed by a spear as well is bullshit.

Superman has always been an allegory for Jesus.

Maybe if in Snyders films they showed him doing whatever he could do to truly save others it would work better.

>>82013140
ha implying anything Marvel has made is good.

This is the biggest problem with the defense of this film. If you dont like it, that means you must love Marvel.

Marvel is trash.

Ive always appreciated DC characters more but they are just as trash.

>>82014084
I think it's the mixture of religious allegory mixed with the nietzsche to mirror our political climate is what people liked not just the messiah allegory.

The point of the spear was to suggest the theory of christus victor which suggest Jesus consciously knew what his sacrifice would do and sought it out. Having superman himself plunge the spear in doomsday to sacrifice himself suggest Jesus willingness to sacrifice himself to save man from sin

>>82014190
It's honestly just a meme to bring up marvel shills in these discussions. Only autist from /co/ take it seriously. But one of the reasons why bvs is liked because it actually did something different than marvels template that a lot of people are sick of.

>>82002757
can anyone shop harry potter's face on this poster please ?

>>82012624
again, dude, for the fourth time, you've just reiterated the very basic themes established by the imagery. You've yet to quantify at all any sort of "larger theme" the imagery was alluding to.

>>82015757
Give me an example of what you mean then

That's a really good poster

>>82010755
this is the only decent scene in the whole movie

>>82015882
How can I give you an example of something you claim has happened yet you can't quantify in any meaningful fashion?

If something alludes to larger themes, that would mean, at the very least, themes that aren't completely obvious. All you've done is describe what is completely obvious. Four times.

>>82004842
We're talking about Batman v Superman anon.

>>82000455
What a great poster desu.

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>tfw all these brain dead marvlets not understanding true kino.

>>82016485
>saying the christus victor was painfully obvious
Your bring very disingenuous about what I'm stating. Ok let's just assume the themes I stated are the only themes in the movie and are also painfully obvious, let's just assume that. Does that take away any of the meaningfulness or impact of them? It's like staying the scorpion and the toad has obvious themes so there's nothing you can take away from it. Soloris has pretty clear themes of examining the concept of humanity but that doesn't mean you can't dissect it or that it doesn't expand further than that. I'm starting to think your done sort of troll

>>82016755
Son, really, if it required any sort of effort or thought to discern what snyder was going for with the obvious and overt religious imagery, you have physiologically based mental deficiencies.

>>82000455
>tfw no Henry to cuddle in his Superman outfit
Sad times.

>>82012803
>thinks an Epicurus quote is bad writing
>outsmarted by superhero movie

If God is all good and all powerful, there would be no evil in the world. His infinite power would not allow that evil to exist due to his infinite goodness.

If God exists, then the evil we see on Earth exists either because God doesn't care or doesn't have the power to intervene.

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>>82001423
>Mfw this dollar store symbolism gets all the "kinographers"

BvS being praised here affirms beyond a shadow of doubt that the overall taste pervading this board is redneck-tier.

>>82016901
mangling epicurus is pretty bad writing.

Especially when you're proving your argument just by having the opportunity to posit it to said "god." For if hes there listening to your bullshit, hes proving hes either not all powerful, all good, or both.

>>82016836
Once again it appears as if your bring disingenuous. You assume I'm in the crowd of made up people that say people didn't like bvs because they didn't understand it. Trying to make me insecure by repeating it was painfully obvious and proceeding to name call just shows you don't have any real criticism of this movie. I'm not saying it's hard to figure out the themes but I am saying the themes can be analyzed how they apply to the real world. The archetype types of the characters with the themes create a story in which you can dig for deeper things. Like the bible, everyone knows what the meaning behind the stories are but that doesn't mean you can't analyze them. But I'm pretty certain your just a troll at this point.

>>82016947
Its worse than that.

Go search for "capekino" on twitter.

>>82002757
Hope you're meming because I couldn't stomach this garbage fodder past the first hour due to its sheer cringe. Keep in mind that I can't think of any other movie that I turned off.

>>82017020
Son, I'm not trying to make you insecure. You made a claim. I'm simply waiting on you to quantify it. And while I wait, I'm pointing out how you've yet to quantify it. And if you think you have quantified it, then you're fucking retarded.

>>82014084
>Maybe if in Snyders films they showed him doing whatever he could do to truly save others it would work better.

Like die to save the entire planet? Wield a weapon that turns him into a mortal so he can defeat a monster created by the people he is trying to save?

The imagery goes beyond saying Superman is Jesus. The visual parallels are there but the grander theme is that of the human need to project ideas onto figures in a world devoid of meaning. People see him as a god and as menace, and Snyder shows those perspectives. The film still reminds you that Clark Kent was just a person. The comparisons are undeniable, the way people see Trump as Hitler or Bernie Sanders as Jesus, but that's just projection. Superman defines himself through his own actions, but his internal struggle in this film is getting over how other people define him. He is uncomfortable with being seen as divine or demonic, but learns to accept that by continuing to be himself.

>>82004842
>90%

make it 95%

>>82016888
This.

>>82017101
>repeatedly calling someone son
>says the person whos made their point hasn't made their point and if they think they have they're retarded
>isn't trolling
Riigggghhhhttttt...here's your (you)

>>82017170
>Wield a weapon that turns him into a mortal so he can defeat a monster created by the people he is trying to save?

This was just stupid writing. As wonder woman was far more effective against doomsday than superman was even when superman wasn't holding kryptonite.

>>82017250
>i can't quantify my own claim so you're trolling

okay son.

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>Though Cav was a manlett
>He turns out to be taller than you.
ha ha your still in a shitty movie.

>>82017314
How have I not qualified my own claim?

>>82017012

Is it bad writing, or is Lex foolish, manglinh classical ideas to fit his mode of thought?

>>82017457
*quantify

>>82017457
You made (or got stuck attempting to quantify) the claim that the imagery in snyder's films alludes to larger themes.

Then you spent four posts reiterating the obvious, most basic thematic elements of the shots and never once touched upon a larger theme or described anything that could allude into larger themes.

>>82017578
Bad writing. As it requires lex to be intensely stupid. And any element that requires intense stupidity to function is always bad writing.

>>82017270

Wonder Woman did all right. But every blow from her that didn't kill Doomsday would just cause him to adapt. So she could only do well for so long. Cutting his arm was probably the best she'd do

And they all just met. There's no group tactics. It takes months for a real infantry squad to begin to gel. They were all just whaling on DD

Nevermind the fact that Superman is Superman. He takes the risk to protect others. And WW had Doomsday in her lasso. It was a golden opportunity to get that killing blow.

There's no guarantee that Doomsday couldn't have adapted to the Kryptonite if he had been merely wounded

>>82017768

I don't know if you know this but sometimes people are stupid in real life.

It requires him to be arrogant though, not stupid. And Lex has always been arrogant. Flawed that way. So driven by things he thinks are right that he can't see the truth.

All Star Superman had a good handle on that I think. Especially when Lex sees the way Superman does and realizes how wrong he is

>>82017781
I'm not asking for cohesive unit tactics, I'm asking for superman to realize
>hey, this shit is killing me but shes doing alright and seems pgood with weapons, here you go strange woman I've never met who's clearly stronger than me, use this, should equalize the playing field a bit.

instead of

>oh fuck I can't even swim when I'm near this and I almost just fucking drowned. so I'll use it to try to kill something several times more powerful than I am

>>82017907
Real life does not have a script writer. People being stupid in real life is not justification for having stupid people in a script, as that's just the writer using stupidity as an excuse to be lazy.

>>82016901
>there would be no evil in the world.

I swear, everytime athiest bring this retarded question or similar to this it's always out of orrogance and ignorance.

God gave man free will. Free will to follow, or do there own stuff. Free will to make peace, or cause wars. Shit that's happening in the world is because of sin, and selfishness of man.

>>82017961
this counter argument comes from a lack of understanding of what "omniscient" means. For an omniscient being (read: God) would know, from the moment of creation of the universe, everything everyone would ever do. Thus making God responsible for all their acts. Thus making God the source of all evil in the universe. Thus making God malevolent.

>>82017737
I mentioned the religious symbolisim works for the messiah allegory(christus victor) and talked about how the messiah allegory fits into the other themes. Discussing the relationship between that and Nietzsche's philosophy presented in the film that both leads to the main theme of the movie which is transcending the darkness and base of the the world for a life of valor (a life of the übermench) how exactly did I not explain what I said I would explain again?

>>82018058
The fact you keep mistaking the most basic and themes of the shots for "larger themes."

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>>82017961

>I gave people free will, even though I've intervened countless times in the past for justice (the great flood, eygpt, jesus christ) I'm gonna let these children in Africa get raped and mindbroken till they're turned into child soldiers killing even more innocents. It just makes sense.

>>82017912

Yeah I can see it now

>hang on there evil monster just like that! I have to hand off this weapon to this stranger instead of charging you while you're vulnerable

Nevermind Batman blew his load with his Kryptonite grenade. There was literally no better moment

And if he was the kind of guy to hand off danger to other people, he wouldn't be fucking Superman.

>>82017949

>I don't think people in movies should act like people in real life

>>82018289
"acting like real people" is just a lame rationalization for bad writing.

>>82016836
If you think these themes (which is one of many) is small minded or not well thought out, then I think you don't understand depth.

But there's themes of patriarchy, matriarchy, guilt, world culture, etc. Movie is well done. It's unfortunate you can't appreciate this, because I don't see how you can appreciate anything else.

Personally I bet it's just bc it's religious imagery that ruffles people's feathers. >Muh athiesm and edgy psuedointellectualism can't be challenged by stoopid skyman myths

>>82018289
Oh so now we're going to act like zack snyder's take on superman is resembles in any way, shape, or form, any character that ever had the name.

I guess you're done here.

>>82018348

Nice counter argument.

>>82010755
>that webm
I honestly think the actual Batman Superman fight is the worst action scene of Snyder's career. Everything just felt so slow and oddly floaty. It was Iron Fist level bad.

>>82018399
Considering you're going to have to backtrack on year's worth of shilling to the tune of "NOT MUH" to try to claim snyder's superman is remotely similar to any other superman, yes, you are completely and totally done.

remidner the snyderverse is the "grounded and realistic" bizzaro universe to the nolanverse

>wonder woman is a stick
>the kents are HORRIBLE parents
>wonder woman is useful
>aquaman is a pacific islander
>aquaman is useful
>batman is a moron
>batman is a spree killer
>lex luthor is a moronic twink
>superman is neither a dick or boyscout, but a mopey moron
>lois is the most useful non-metahuman in the franchise

and so, much, more.

>>82018307

You really want movies where everyone is James Bond? Makes the right choice all the time, knows everything, has a clear view of the world?

Lex is unhinged. He grew up in an abusive house hold and latched onto philosophy to justify his perceptions. But it's filtered through his warped perspective rather than true to the initial intent

It's not stupidity.

>>82018566
Movies where characters act rationally.

I know, that might as well be super-genius james bond stuff! That's totally not relatable at all to the average person.

>>82018539
>lex luthor is a twink
Anon, I think you might be projecting on this one

>>82018451

You're right the real Superman would've stayed at home and let someone else die for it

>>82018649
Nice dodge. Someone intensely stupid might think you made a point, but your lack of counter argument is noted.

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>>82017961
Calm down, rabbi.

>>82018627
Lex luthor was psychotic in this version. He ends up in Arkham after all. His motivations are under the control of the JL villian who gives him the insane urge to kill superman. That's why he acted so strange. Would you have preferred if he had a real estate scheme like he has every other time he's been in a movie?

>>82018739
>its the lex was under darksied's control the entire movie guy

jesus christ dude just stop. He starts off a moronic twink, he stays a moronic twink, and at the end, hes still a moronic twink.

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>Fell for the /tv/ that this was actually good
>Finally watch it
>It's a complete mess

>>82012831
>films 4 plebs 4 dumbies

>>82017961
>still believing free will exists

Get a load of this faggot.

>>82018681

Oh boy. In classic /tv/ fashion you've dodged addressing half of the things I've written. Picking one thing out of a post and going with that. I could go into other Superman media, comics, movies, cartoons, and you'd find one thing to respond to and dismiss the rest.

Why bother? If you don't like the movie, why keep talking about it? Why respond to any if these threads? I actually like the movie

You're right about one thing. Snyder Superman is unlike previous versions. He's better in a lot of ways. And he's converted a lot of new Superman fans. If you don't like it, there are numerous other things you can spend time on.

>>82018739

Crazy yes. I don't buy that he was under influence from Apokolips. He didnt access the Kryptonian archive and learn about Apokolips til halfway in. And his scheme was well under way by then

No, this is classic Superman hate on Lex's part. It has a certain pseudo philosophical twist, but that's the sign of Lex's own derangement

I really can't wait to see more of this Lex though

>>82019145
negro, you wrote a single line. How the hell could someone dodge half a single line?

The problem with snyder's kal-el is the DCEU has never established any reason for clark to be selfless. Yet he has to be, for no good reason, at key moments otherwise its not a "superman" movie.

>>82018627

Crazy people aren't rational.

>>82019245
no NO! you see, the movie is non-linear in my headcanon, and lex actually comes into contact with apokolips and chills in the kryptonian ship the entire time between the zod fight and the end of bvs! Despite absolutely nothing indicating this!!

>>82019308
yes, they are. The crazier they are the more rationally they conduct themselves. As crazy and rational aren't mutually exclusive. The craziest people have an intricate network of logic to justify their outwardly irrational behavior.

snyder's luthor just read some dog-eaten philisophy 101 cliffnotes and regurgitated them.

>>82010755
>Breathe it in
>That's fear
He has no reason to act this way. What an edgy faggot, god this movie is terrible.

>>82019321
There is proof you false-flagging ass! The lab coat! In some scenes in the ship hes wearing it and others he isn't! And they're out of order!!

>>82019253

Here:

>>82017781
>>82018289

To address your point, yes they have. The death of Jonathan Kent is a big moment for that. Actually like 3/4ths of the things the Kents say to Clark informs his values. His own selflessness.

And that is just one of those things inborn in Clark as a person.

But, I am not going to argue about this all night. You liked it or you didn't. You clearly didn't. Go watch something you actually care about. Discuss that with a bro and feel good about it.

That's what all this shit is for, anon

>>82012831
They don't understand because it wasn't explained well in the movie. The director didn't give them the pieces needed to understand why that name was important. It's either that, or people realize that they're reason for fighting is proof of bad writing.

>>82019321

The movie was written so Lex is introduced later and a lot of the ship stuff happens closer together

But Lex set his plan to go after Superman in motion before the ship. He was looking for Kryptonite before he gained access.

He just wasn't ready for the cosmic shit he found

Don't do the headcanon thing man. Watch what's there

>>82019537
every line from the kents to kal-el is telling him to be a selfish ass and think only of himself and his safety.

>>82019595

He practically beat you over the head with the importance. Superman doest just say Martha and they stop fighting. There's a whole flashback to Thomas Wayne saying it as he dies in the street.

The only way it would've been clearer is if Michael Caine came out to give the exposition for it. But Snyder is a show, not tell kind of guy

>>82019670

>
Oh boy. In classic /tv/ fashion you've dodged addressing half of the things I've written. Picking one thing out of a post and going with that.

Goodnight anon

>>82019626
the idea of lex's plan coming together in some other sequence that is shown is pure headcanon, breh.

He wasn't looking for kryptonite, he was looking for alien tech. He found kryptonite.

>>82019758
So I need to repeat myself every time you reiterate a point before you'll attempt to defend your new claims?

That sounds kinda autistic.

>it's another thread full of dc fans trying to force people to like their shitty movie that they've convinced themselves of being some form of high art while zack snyder counts his product placement checks from ihop and turkish airlines

is there a more cucked fanbase

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>>82019851
>it's another thread of triggered MCUcks screeching autistically because people like a movie they don't like

go back

>>82019781

He found Kryptonite in Metropolis

He went looking for it in the Indian Ocean later

>>82020002
>He found Kryptonite in Metropolis

haha oh god what the fuck are you even talking about

literally making up shit to force headcanon to work

>>82008926

Exactly this.

BvS Theatrical cut is the best cut. But MoS is the best cape film of all.

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>>82019977

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Why is he so perfect looking?

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>>82020238
And where we had thought to find an abomination, we shall find a god; where we had thought to slay another, we shall slay ourselves; where we had thought to travel outward, we shall come to the center of our own existence; where we had thought to be alone, we shall be with all the world.

>>82020238
what the fuck is that on his neck?

>>82019245
Maybe he was being controlled unwittingly. Maybe he was incepted into doing it and subconsciously his mind associates superman with his father generating a god complex and it drove him more and more crazy. At the end he realizes this and is already completely crazy at that point.

could you imagine a marvel thread where we debate the story, cinematography and directing?

it shows the MCU fans have nothing to debate besides which quips were funniest

>>82020352
My king

>>82013378
Because the little arm guard thing is wide enough to block Superman's arm before their hands make contact
>>82019464
Yes he does, he finally gets his revenge and validation on what he feels is basically an alien terrorist who leveled an entire city and killed tens of thousands of ordinary people. The goal was to make him feel how those people felt. Of course Superman isn't a monster and already knows what empathy is but Batman didn't know that.

>>82002907
>taking 8 times to understand btfo v supercuck.
Epic levels of retardatio...
Wait your rping arent you?

>>82000455
what if they feared my peenus weenus :DD

haha :)

>>82002757

that's true, all I want from the dceu is man of murder 2, aquaman and dark universe when they can end it

>>82024491
The illiterate /v/-style typing is all that's needed to oust the third-worlder marvel shill.

Godlike film, will be studied for decades

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>>82001578
>>Are you retarded?
>calling yourself retarded
>implying same standards don't apply to you since you are not anon
>newfag detected

>>82025141
>if you don't agree with me you are a /v/ marvel shill.
Weak deflection.

>>82021374
>my brand is better than yours!
>the only debate in a bvs thread is trolls who rp like snyder isn't a hack and people who don't like the movie.

>>82019722
>they didnt just stop fighting
>dude martha line.
>stops fighting and has a flashback.
>now friends.
Sounds like it was abruptly stopped.

>>82018955
Careful anon you might get called a unintelligent mcucuck omega-3 beta shill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVIB9sGYeUw

kino

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>>82008963

There is a massive transgender subtext to the X-Men movies, and capeshit in general. Think about the symbolism of putting on a mask. Humanity is in for one crazy ride!

>>82009084
>Brian Singer is a faggot who fucks little boys on set

"He" has no dick. Just like Jimmy Saville. It's an in-joke.

>>82026572
he gets madder after he says martha, then lois comes and explain the situation