Today I will remind them.

>>81940273
all truly great art causes polarization

>>81940273
>two heroes who are largely known for being against killing

>huh wouldn't it be EPIC if they killed?!

Why is Snyder allowed to direct movies?

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true capekino is never appreciated in it's own time

It's really undisputable BvS will be looked back on very favourable, at least compared to MCU

Suicide Squad less so

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>>81940294
whatever helps you sleep at night

>>81940273
Remind us of what? How Disney pays off Rotten Tomatoes?

>>81940347
Because he'll usually make back the budget years before the movie is released with ad placement.

>>81940347
Oh look another marvelcuck too stupid to understand BvS

>>81940732
>Entry level bible stuff
>How to spot a pleb

name one (1) actually good Disney Marvel flick that you've watched more than once (1x)

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>>81941405
Iron Man x5. Avengers x3, Winter Soldier x2, Gotg x3. Iron Man 3 x2. Civil War x2. just rewatched Strange with a friend who hadn't seen it.

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>>81941480

>>81941480
>lying on the internet

you only watched Iron Man twice

>>81941551
I'm probably lowballing Iron Man desu. It was on television a lot, and I keep getting sucked in by RDjr's performance.

>>81941591
go to bed jeff, you don't even own a tv

>>81940294
This. Anything widely popular is usually bland and merely pandering to the lowest common denominator.

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>>81941524
>Superman the movie
>57 million tickets
>60% more than Man of Steel
>in only 800 theaters

that's practically a limited release in this day and age.

>>81940525
suicide squad has hot pants. its a better movie. It had a blurry film transfer, blurry lenses, and bad exposure, boring sets. Batman was in it! BvS was just nonsense.

I like Zack Snyder on his direction reguarding Watchmen and Dawn of the Dead. While Watchmen was mostly frames and scenes straight from the book, but he handled all the source material and well. While being in the middle of the zombie craze Snyder's work on Dawn of the Dead was amazing. The movie played out really well and I feel is far superior to the original.

>>81940273
Yeah, what were they thinking. So when are we getting another reboot?

>>81940294
This is complete bullshit, most great art doesn't cause polarization. Also these are 3 hour long toy commercials.

You guys better put some respect Academy Award Winning Film Suicide Squad. Seriously though, some people really masturbate to rotten tomatoes scores. Reviews have never been important and they've been shit for a long time. People only try to make them more important now because the only thing Marvel does well is get good reviews.

>>81942680
Guardians of the Galaxy 2 will be a long ass toy commercial with a half-assed plot like the last one. The entire purpose is to sell Groot toys because that's where the first movie made the majority of its funds. No complaints about that? Exactly.

>>81941658
I like how the only time the DCEU isn't "widely popular" is when the shills are trying to claim it is art.

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>>81942696
>the only thing Marvel does well is get good reviews.
And fill theaters.
Which is, you know, the entire point of big budget action films.

>>81942750
>Guardians of the Galaxy 2
We're discussing Batman v Superman and Suicide Squad. You literally can't stop mentioning marvel's capeshit because there's no substance to your favorite brand, so there's nothing to discuss. These are all toy commercials and adding visual references doesn't change matters much.

>>81942753
Why is there such disparity between the "critics" and the public?

>>81942794
You're right. That's mostly hype though. A lot of their movies don't hold up. The hype makes them the money, but later on, the movies aren't looked upon favorably. Sure money is important to the studio. You're right. It's all about the money in the end, but sales don't equal quality.

>>81942797
lol. It's a comic movie, both comic universes. My point was that you don't really have a problem that it was made for toy sales and t-shirts, you're just upset that DC made it. Also, you can't really be mad that the movie was like that when it was marketed like that. A fun brainless joy ride. Did you really see "substance" in those trailers?

>>81942696
>only thing Marvel does well is get good reviews
You mean Disney. Disney gets good reviews.

>>81942881
>That's hype though
If that were true, you wouldn't have seen Avengers 2 and 2.5 breaking a billion dollars.
>but later on, the movies aren't looked upon favorably.
Stop gauging public opinion by Autism Central here.

>>81940347
Wait, are you talking about batman and superman? Cuz that's not a thing for superman. (Yes, the casual handling of mass casualties was still a fuck-up)

Batman v Superma deserves better

Suicide Squad deserves worse.

>>81942680
>most great art doesn't cause polarization.
uhhhh, what?
Most great art will never be recognized as such in its own time and even afterwards, the majority of people will still not get it.

Please do not confuse "Critical consensus" for great art.

>>81942810
Because the movies were misrepresented to the public.

>1.6 billion dollars box office
>425 million to make
I'm sure they are upset

>>81942989
>that were true, you wouldn't have seen Avengers
Yes, because every Marvel movie debut's at 100% on rotten tomatoes. You may not realize what that does and how that affects hype. I work at a theater. Most people come in, come in because of the RT score they checked when looking for films.

>>81943105
How does that follow? If the people went out to see it expecting what the advertising showed, got something they weren't expecting but still didn't like, wouldn't the score reflect that?

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>>81943144
>I serve popcorn, this allows me to understand why people choose specific movies.

>>81943147
Basically, the critics are full of shit and fake authority. They get people's expectations so low that when the people walk out of the theater they're like, "wow, that was nothing like the critics said it was. It was actually pretty good". That causes the disparity.

>>81943147
>person goes to see movie
>they pay for it

they don't get to change their minds.

At least I assume you're talking about boxoffice grosses as a representation of audience opinion. 65% and 73% are fucking awful for audience scores.

>>81943255
No, I talk to people, While you talk to yourself and pretend to know everything. I mentioned working at a theater because I was basing my assertion on first reactions and conversations with people who were surprised about the quality of a film.

>>81940294
capeshit isn't art, they are popcorn movie's at best . Entertainment for the masses sit, kill two hours, eat some popcorn and stop trying to make this shit relevant.

>>81943314
Not actually. Those are just average movie scores. The score is 1-100%. 50% being half and completely average. Based on the scale 65% and 73% are pretty good for any film.

>>81943271
That makes sense. Given what we know about crowd-sourced decision making, I'm actually more inclined to trust audience scores than critics' scores.

Pretty much any time I see more than a 20% swing from what critics rate and what the audience rates, I assume someone somewhere is working an agenda.

>>81943356
If you believe 63% or even 40% is an acceptable score for a movie, you need to watch more movies. MST3K is a good place to start to fill out your lower echelons to prevent you from saying idiotic bullshit like "transformers was the worst movie I've ever seen."

>>81943325
Do you feel the same about comics?

>>81943399
Factually. The new Ghostbusters has a 73% on RT while Live by Night has a 34% on RT. I honestly don't know how anyone can trust RT's critic scores to determine quality, nor the critics the site aggregates from.

>>81943356
>>81943399
75% isn't Man of Steel's "score", its the percentage that rated it above Rotten.

But honestly, cook up whatever metric that'll allow you to sleep soundly.

Oh and Avengers has about the same audience and critical scores, so you'll trust that, right?
Or does that not fit with your new metric system?

>>81943514
live by night was shit and ghostbusters was a clear attempt to make politics, rather than film quality, the subject of all reviews.

>>81943418
Did you even read my comment or did the autism take over? I didn't say anything about transformers. Didn't say that 40% is acceptable. None of that matters. "Acceptable". I"m not the studio. I didn't make the movies. The scores don't matter to me because I'm not a sheep. I was simply saying that 50% is a half way score between completely atrocious and God given. You really need to chill man.

>>81943591
>>81943418
The percentages are not scores.
Once again I repeat-
The percentages in no way represent the actual scores given to the movies.

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>>81943591
>50% is a half way score between completely atrocious and God given

And saying something like that is symptomatic of simply having seen insufficient movies to have a meaningful opinion on such matters.

>>81943524
What are you talking about? Those were the numbers that were given to me. I just used them to explain the rating system they use. I didn't make anything up. Do you trust audience scores? Who is more motivated to rate a movie? The average person or someone who really hated the film/loved the film? Probably the people feeling extreme emotions, right? What I'm saying is that neither of the scores are unbiased and I don't care what either of them are I'll see the movie myself if I'm interested.

>>81943700
Saying that means I didn't skip math class for hand jobs from my uncle

>>81943658
Everyone knows how RT works, no one gives a fuck.

The entire point of their system is to lock critical reviews to a "yes" or "no." It doesn't matter if its a 4/10 "yes" or a 6/10 "no."

>>81943524
>Oh and Avengers has about the same audience and critical scores, so you'll trust that, right?

Yeah, I do trust that, actually. It was exactly what it sold itself as - brainless entertainment, nary a hint of a message to be found. I'd take my kids to see it again and we'd laugh about how funny it was when the Hulk slammed Loki all over the place like a cartoon.

I'd take them to see Man of Steel and BvS again, too. And we'd talk about why Superman seems sad and why the Batman seems a little nuts and continue to discuss it for months afterward, and I'd get some great opportunities to use the movies as examples of what heroes really are and why putting anyone on a pedestal, even Superman, is a bad idea.

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>>81943658
These are the actual average scores of Ghostbusters, 6.5 from critics (barely fresh) and 3.1/5 (or 6.2) from audiences.
The scores actually don't deviate that much from one another, GB was right on the fresh/rotten line.

>>81943742
funny claim, considering the level of math you've displayed is elementary, and you still barely understand it.

>>81940273
Suicide Squad won more Oscars than the entire MCU

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Kill yourselves MCUcks. Here's a gif of a marvelfag getting decked.

>>81943769
Your children hate you.

>>81943782
You're right, it is elementary. When you learn that 50 is half of 100 we can talk.

>>81943769
>I'd take them to see Man of Steel and BvS again, too. And we'd talk about why Superman seems sad and why the Batman seems a little nuts and continue to discuss it for months afterward
I think it's wonderful that you can use the Snyder films to discuss autism with your sibling's children.
It'll help them relate to you.

>>81940273
>those audience scores
Corrupt as fuck my friend

>>81943798
It had pretty neato makeup.

>>81943830
And you can't think of a single context where "50/100" is not something to be remotely proud of or praised?

>600 millions more than the MCU by the third movie
>one oscar more
>no flops
>audience scores reflecting the actual quality of the movies
Remind us what, OP?

>>81943806
I heard my twelve-year old son tell one of his friends that he thinks the DC movies are a lot more like the comics and that the Marvel movies are too much like cartoons. I was proud of him for that, because that's not a judgement he's ever heard me make. That was him forming his own opinion.

>>81943938
You need to greentext that imaginary story for us.

>>81943890
Basketball

>>81943969
Jesus, man. Are you that threatened by truth?

>>81941480
>Iron Man x5
What the fuck. I hate this board.

>>81943801
>That's what your average marvelcuck poster looks like

>>81943995
I just think its cute you're using the opinions/taste of an imaginary 12 year old to make it seem as if BvS wasn't horrid.

>>81944069
This.

>>81944069
Look man, I sort of migrated here when IMDB's discussion boards shut down. It was here or reddit and I fucking despise reddit. This image of channers as basement-dwelling NEETs is about as relevant as Eminem.

4Chan has basically become the internet's subconscious.

>>81940273
Who the fuck cares about ratings or critics? This thread is stupid. Just because a lot of people like something, that doesn't mean it's good. and the other way around.

I prefer to hear more about people's personal feelings for the films. Why they like or hate. Not just, this is bad/gud, because score.

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>>81944217
>4Chan has basically become the internet's subconscious.

>>81943022
Yes it is.
In fact, in the Kingdom Come arc, Superman become unpopular in the public realm because of his refusal to kill. Joker kills a bunch of people, including (implied) Lois Lane, and Superman just takes him to the police like a cuck, when a new hero named Magog blasts Joker in the chest on the steps of city hall.
Then people like killer heroes better, because they're more efficient, so Supes goes into hiding and a new generation of reckless heroes are running around killing each other.
It's the whole catalyst and heart to the story.

>>81945434
Do me a favor.

Prove you can distinguish between killing and murder.

>>81945479
What does that have to do with my post?

>>81945572
That even the Kingdom Come version of Superman drew on the lore from comics as his past. and that Superman had killed.

>>81940347
It's not that, it's just his shitty lack of context.

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good thread

dc kiddos eternally btfo

>>81940273
Suicide Squad was the worst film I've seen in years. The rating should be lower.

>>81945741
Incredibly rarely. I can think of maybe two people that the mainstream DC universe Superman had killed.

He has a "no-kill" code, but that doesn't mean he never kills. It means that he does everything in his power not to, which makes it all the move devastating for him when he does.

The smart call would've been to not make him kill anyone for his first movie or two, build up his commitment to saving lives, then tear it down down the line. Not having the buildup of seeing how far he'll go to save a life negates the emotional impact of seeing him take one.

>>81940273
Today is the day i remind you....

DC: 1
MVL: 0

>>81943675
for some reaon this pic actually makes me feel sad-DC cuck is such a little guy, makes it sadder with the JL jumper ;_;

>>81945969
>Incredibly rarely. I can think of maybe two people that the mainstream DC universe Superman had killed

Yes, and one of them was Zod. It also happened early in his career and it was frequently cited as part of his motivation for exploring literally every other option before he resorts to it again. It's just that when you're Superman, you've got an awful lot of options.

Now working off the assumption you're still the same guy I asked in the first place, do you distinguish between killing and murder?

>>81946102
Yes, I think that there is a difference.

While murdering someone is definitely killing them, I wouldn't categorize all killing as murder.

It's like that "squares and rectangles" shit.

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>Believing the ratings Jew

>>81946182
The difference lies in premeditation and defense of either self or others.

Hypothetical:

If the Joker did something to draw the Batman's attention, then once he was present, he pressed a button on a remote and informed Bruce that he'd just activated a device connected to his heart that transmitted a signal to a nuclear bomb hidden somewhere in Gotham, and that the detonator was rigged to go off after either 30 heartbeat signals or 24 hours, should Bruce kill him?

>>81940273
Do any of y'all actually give a shit what rottentomatoes says? Damn well knowing these were ass yet have a decent score. Foh.

>>81943083
>DCEU
Fans divided
Critics hate it
Underperforms financially

>Great art

Ayy lmaoo

>>81940354
But everyone loved Superman: The Motion Picture, Batman 1989, Spider-Man 2002, Iron Man, and many other fantastic films.

Snyder is shit.

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>>81940354
>>81940525

>>81941316
>How to spot a pleb
Yeah, easy. Just look for any Snyder rider posting claims of any substantive depth in any of his films.

>>81948487
>underperforms

Top kek, moron

>>81940273
Why didn't Batman and Superman fight much? They had one face-off then hit each other for a short few minutes. It was a 3 hour movie and they only had one fight. I would have expected Snyder to give us at least 3 fights between the titular icons throughout the course of this time. Did anyone else feel cheated by this?

>>81940273
P A I D
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>>81940273
>watched the extended version of BVS the other day
>it's better than anything Marvel has ever made
Frankly I don't give a fuck what the reviews are like, all they do is increase my disdain for idea of a "critical consensus." The film may not fit into the superhero movie formula with which Marvel has had so much success, but it's a superior piece of cinema. I wish it hadn't been so grimdark and edgy, but the complexity of the story made everything Marvel has put out look like child's play.

>>81948924

This but ironically

>>81948804
>Did anyone else feel cheated by this?

Not in the slightest. Super man is like the end boss for the Batman. He gets one shot, win or lose, and even his win is predicated on either Superman's reluctance or his compassion, or both.

The film gives us an ideological clash - vigilantism versus heroism.

>>81940273
This is really sad desu.

I'd never ever tell anybody I'm a DCEU fan if I'm one. Maybe one /tv/ but not in real life for sure.

>>81948958
From an expectation standpoint I felt cheated, mainly because it was marketed to me with promises of a certain fight which took a while for it to deliver. When it did it was short, so I was not as entertained as I should have been. It felt like false advertising.

>>81949108
I was onboard from the moment it was announced, because I felt like the creative team might be up to something interesting and unexpected. It turns out I was right.

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>>81945994
>>81940273

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>>81948804
That's precisely the point. Why should these heroes fight? Do you actually want to see Batman and Superman to meet at three points in the movie, fight, then leave to build up to le big fight. What is the actual point of that besides some autistic need to see some see some pretty lights?

Fuck that, Snyder instead puts us in a position to show us that ultimately the conflict is ultimately senseless, built on miscommunication, their experiences, the media and press throughout the story reinforcing their insecurity and fears.

They aren't treated as power fantasies but actual characters.

>>81941480
Sony gonna jump to 2 billion when Spider-Man comes out. Seriously I don't understand how Spider-Man is still so insanely popular, more so than any Marcel/DC hero

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>>81943801
>that stride as to avoid getting hit

>>81948958
>>81950133
>the movie should be boring on purpose so I can push my pretentious rhetoric online

>>81950133
So lame bro. Deliver on your promise or gtfo. It's simple.

>>81943271
Partially this, but mostly due to the fact that faggits love eating shit.

>>81952136
If you're so eaten up with ADD that you found that boring, I pity you.

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>>81940273
D R O P P E D
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>>81953663

>le dropped meme

Reddit putting work in today

Oscar.

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Up to February of 2016 rotten tomatoes was owned by Warner Brothers. How could it be that a site is rigged to give their parent company's movies bad scores?

Also, all capeshit sucks.

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Just a reminder that if you look at the Tomatometer, this is the kind of 'review' you are looking.

>>81940273
>26%

too high for one of the worst movies ever made

>>81940273
wait so were these actually decent movies? I avoided them because I heard bad things.

>>81953729
>Reddit
Reddit is pro Jewish. They are braindead

>>81943801
>marvelfag getting decked.
by a crazy crackhead black that should have been aborted

>>81954031
Because RT doesn't write the reviews.

>>81954195

Reddit hates Jews more than /tv/, idiot. There several subreddits dedicated to anti semetism and neo Nazis

>>81954091
BvS Extended Cut was good, SS was shit

>>81954091
Suicide Squad is debatable, but if you appreciate comics and have an understanding of them that goes deeper than some cartoons you watched years back, yes, these are fantastic movies and capture more of the spirit of the masterwork stories like The Dark Knight Returns and Watchmen than pretty much any comics movies ever made.

Bear in mind, that doesn't mean they're direct lifts of either of those. They swap some of the allegory around and bring a more contemporary message to it than simply doing a cut-and-paste DKR ever could, and it's respectful enough of its audience that the character's motivations aren't just painted on. They have actual psychologies to be explored and revealed. They're treated more like real people than pretty much any comics movies I've ever seen. Don't expect every character to be honest. Don't expect anyone to speak their motivations or have them spoken to them.

In my humble opinion, they're masterpieces.

>>81954467
alright
>>81954515
I feel as though youre exaggerating a little but thank you for the insight

>>81954714
>I feel as though youre exaggerating a little but thank you for the insight

Not a problem. I didn't start out with this high an opinion of them. If you're a thinker, you won't be able to stop turning things over in your head, and they'll just keep getting better and better.

My favorites are the original Iron Man, the Raimi movies, The Winter Soldier, The first two Nolan movies, and these two. Of them all, I consider Iron Man, Begins, and these two to be the absolute best, but all for very different reasons.

>>81955039
>these two

These two being Man of Steel and BvS. Looked back and realized MoS isn't mentioned.