Women can be jedi too. Get over it.

>>81924578
The place of female jedi is in the library!

>>81924578
Why she so cute?

>>81924578
>Women are better Jedi than men. Here's 13 reasons why!
A real article on the internet somewhere, probably.

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Why'd you have to make the image so damn big

>>81924625
what's this trying to say?

what is that pic implying?

that females are better because they still have all their limbs?

>kylo ren
>a dark side user on the level of Dooku or Vader

the real sexism is subverted

>kylo doesnt go full power because shes a she
>she """""""wins""""""" by default

>>81924578

>3444x3444

not even once.

SO IT'S MISOGYNY THEN!

>>81924686
That in the original trilogy characters shrug off occurrences that would traumatize and psychologically fuck up normal human beings.

Like when Alderan is destroyed. Leia reacts like she missed a bus and is wisecracking jokes with Han and Luke minutes later.

>>81924728
He was also like near fatally wounded.
He took a hit from Chewie that would have killed anyone else.

>>81924728
It's either you beat a girl, or get beat by a girl.

>>81924687
well, they all have an extra to begin with, so they should able to handle one less to be really equal
PROVE. QUEEN KATHLEEN. WRONG.

>>81924636
typical male racist pig

Women deserve to be Jedis just as much as Samuel Jackson (black) and all the other alien species did, I don't get why jedis have to be men all the time surely women are as strong and smart as men are!

>>81924578
And if women were worth making into Jedi then how come they're not creative enough to come up with their own sci-fi ideas instead of affirmative-action pushing their way into someone else's creation by means of a Jew director?


I am STILL waiting for women and blacks to start creating their own sci-fi, capeshit, fantasy, etc like whites and Asians do instead of demanding "representation" to compensate for their own lazy stupid refusal to come up with their own shit.

And no the brothers who did the Matrix don't count as women.

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>>81924813
literally in Ep. I and Jedi Power Battles

>>81924950
Earthsea is a brilliant fantasy series written by a woman. It really deserves a good adaptation.

>>81925031
>needs feminism

FTFY

>>81924720
>dude stops a blaster shot midair and holds it there
>dude mindfucks people with ease
not a powerful force user

come on bro

>>81924720
>stops a blaster in mid-air
>a move we've literally never seen before in all of star wars

>>81925141
Kylo isn't as powerful as Darth Vader. TFA literally spells this out for viewers.

>>81925097
too raw and unfocused, could be stronger and lacks true commitment. all his misplaced aggression/violence is proof of his inevitable going to the light side

Sad!

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>>81925019
You don't get it.

When liberals say "diversity" they only want to see people that look like themselves.

That's why SW is all fucked up now. We have a galaxy with 1000 sentient lifeforms in it, and diversity didn't exist until all the villians were white males and allt he heroes anti-white women and brown-skins.


They don't get SW at all. That human-centricism is all fucked up and doesn't belong in good sci-fi. But liberals don't care because of "(human) WOMEN CAN BE JEDI TOO" and "GAY MIDDLE EASTERN MUSLIMS WHO THINK THEY'RE CHINESE PANDA BEARS CAN BE JEDI TOO."


They're so self-absorbed and selfish it's made the blind to their stupidity in ruining SW.

Kylo was injured and was probably mentally fucked from killing his dad earlier

Rey sucks but still

>>81925234
I like how you conveniently cut out that orange midget with butthole eyes out.

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>>81924813
This is a dumb argument.
There were already women jedis. See pic related.

The issue isn't whether women can be jedis (they have been and obviously can again). The issue is that being a jedi shouldn't be as easy as fuck for literally anyone to do it, since the canon establishes that it literally requires training (See original star wars and prequel).

>>81925234
That quote isn't even about star wars.

>>81925214
>inevitable going to the light side
so far no skywalker has ever remained on the dark side, so of course hes gonna change

>>81925416
so that settles it Luke, Rey and Kylo join forces to stop Snoke

>>81925255
>Luke trained the younglings to be a new crop of Jedi
>one turns evil and kills the others


100 internets bets gay-Luke molested him and daddy protected gay-Luke due to pressure from Princess (FUCK YOU LEFTISTS) Leia.

>>81924578
I haven't watched any new SW, but how the fuck is Kylo an experienced dark side user? He's sith equivalent of weaboo

>>81925392
this

>>81925528
>stop Snoke
LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMEEEEEE

We need a Shyamalan twist up this shit!

>>81925392
But is not Rey the chosen bitch or something, with uber powers and all that?

>>81925546
He was trained by Luke as a jedi and by Snoke in the dark side.

Snoke literally tells him it's time to finish his training by the end of TFA.

>>81925392
HUMAN women.

Leftist don't give a shit about the non-humans. It's all about pandering tot he special snowflakes of earth.


It's like here on earth about how Asians don't count as minorities ebcause they're not lazy and stupid, and are productive and creative, so they don't need to hijack other people's shit for the sake of "inclusion" to get hand-fed for never producing their own shit.

So when talking about non-whites they're never counted.

I'm sure Anakin fought a dark side user in some prequel book or something.

>>81925649
"no"

>>81925649
SO WAS ANAKIN. And he didn't just start picking up lightsabers and using force powers when he was a toddler or even when he became a padawan.

He had to LEARN how to do that shit. THAT's the difference.

>>81924657
>she
Anon...

>>81924625
If you found out your dad was a genocidal madman and the emporer's lapdog after decades of thinking he was a hero who was slaughtered by the very man currently telling you he is your father, what would you do?

>>81925664
That's racist! Err, species-ist!

>>81924720
>Rey
>on the level of Luke and Anakin

>Anakin at this point has had ten years of training
>Luke at this point has had weeks- if not months- of training from the two greatest Jedi Masters
>Rey at this point has had 0 training.

>>81924687
Yeah Wtf. Rey should have lost a hand, but then that wouldn't be hack writing.

>>81925665
leaning hard on No. Sith are rare. Like Jedi post Ep III rare.

>>81925392
she was pretty hot desu

>>81925785
12/15/17

>>81925665
>>81925793
The only "active" Sith at the time Anakin was discovered were Darth Maul (killed by Obi Wan) and Darth Sidious.

Sidious only other apprentice was Darth Tyranis (by AOTC), and that was the only sith Anakin had ever fought in the prequels.

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>>81924578
>Obi-Wan after his first duel with an experienced Dark Side user
Uh oh, looks like he's le merry soo!
Worst fucking meme.

>>81924578
I dont' give a shit after the force awakens star wars is dead to me. dead.

>>81925944
>Obi-Wan vs Darth Maul
>Maul just exhausted himself fighting a Jedi Master while also fighting Obi-Wan
>Still almost defeats Obi-Wan
>Obi-Wan is a Jedi Padawan with a decade of training
>Rey still has had no training

Keep trying to make false equivalencies to defend your manifu, doesn't change the fact that she is a MaRey Sue. There is no true equivalency you can make with her and any other Star Wars character, so try to keep up.

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>>81925944
>It's not terrible because it's like The Phantom Menace

>>81924720
DELETE

Also, >tripfag

>>81924625
Do you know that the first pic could be just shock, and the second is a reaction to the man that killed the aunt and uncle right?

>>81925200
But regardless of what TELLS, it SHOWS different thing.
In fact, the movie has greater issues than "muh powerlevel"

>>81925944

This>>81926062 + Maul completely wrecks Obi Wan, he kinda wins by cheating and is clearly established as the poorer duelist. Rey is just outright better than Kylo.

>>81924578
She is a Jedette

>>81926263
>Jedette
Reading this makes me want to strangle you.

>>81925656
But for him it was also the first time actually fighting another force user, no?

>>81924720
the twist in ep 8 is that kylo isn't even force sensitive. he stopped the blastershot with anti-grav tech in his gloves and when trying to mindbreak rey she actually got into his head instead. snoke doesn't even know it yet.

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What if MaRey Sue is a force incarnate or some shit? Then you "she is too strong" complainers will be owned. I'm not picking sides here. Just playing the devil's, or snoke's, advocate here. What if she is naturally so powerful and training will make her into a Yoda... What then?

>>81926762
>What if MaRey Sue is a force incarnate
That would man that instead of a character so ridiculous that can be sensibly CALLED "Mary Sue", we would have a full-blown, no ambiguities True Mary Sue (TM).

when did "nerds" become so fucking whiny?

>>81926762
Anakin represents the Force incarnate. And he still got BTFO by Dooku and Obi-Wan. And Luke in ROTJ.
There's no excuse for MaRey Sue.

>>81926830
when did "film lovers" get such low standards?

>>81926838
>Anakin represents the Force incarnate

Not in the new canon. They'll say that he was a false chosen one.

>>81926762
>>81926838
Also, the whole Midichlorian and chosen one shit was already cringey. If they repeat it, this means they are prequel-tier (arguably worse because of the serious lack of originality. As an example, the super-weapon in the prequels is the Clones, a different beast from BIGGER DEATH STAR).

>>81924578

Count Dooku - decades of experience training with the Jedi order, followed by dark side training

Darth Vader - as above, but conceived by fucking midichlorians

Kylo Ren - faggot

Yeah I mean I don't see the problem here.

>>81926927

Please see >>81925783

>>81926927
>faggot
Isn't that the golden jedi/sith standard? Only Vader was pussy sensitive in the whole series so far.

>>81926830

About the same time they decided that social conservatism was for them

>>81926927
see
>>81927014
You are either being disingenuous or you are a retarded fanboy.

>>81926927
>Kylo Ren - faggot
A faggot that can block blaster shots and broke down Luke's school going supreme gentleman.

>>81924578
Besides her being a mary sue, her costume is so bad. I can't tell what they were trying to do with it. It doesn't look tough, sexy, or anything.

>bed sheets over her torso
>uncovered shoulders for some reason
>bandages all over my arms for some reason
>two belts
>giant bracelet with no purpose
>hobo pants

Whereas Luke wears practical believable clothing like his flight suit or tatooine farmer clothes.

>>81927049
>disingenuous
>shows canon examples of how long they were trained and who they were trained by

Right, because training and who trained you has NEVER, EVER made a difference in a battle. It's not important at all. WWI? Well those trained soldiers were just as good as the one they conscripted and threw in there. UFC? They don't train for that stuff with veterans, they just grab people of the street and kick George St. Pierre's ass right off the bat. Professional sports players? They don't train for that shit, there's no such thing as "practices," they just jump right into the game.

Sorry, MaRey Sue had 0 training and kicked someone's ass who got training by LUKE FUCKING SKYWALKER and wiped out HIS ENTIRE ORDER. This is the guy who held a blaster bolt in mid air.

You fucking MaRey Sue deniers are more retarded than Flat Earthers.

>>81927014

She's obviously not on the level or Luke or Anakin, and Kylo is nowhere near a sith lord.

Look, she is depicated as strong with the fucking force, she channelled the fucking force, She wasn't totally green in terms of physical combat and her oppontent was smug and arrogant and self assured and counted his goddamn nerfs before they were herded. The only reason you give this much of a shit is because you've never felt the touch of a woman, and the thought that a woman could be a better jedi than you just rustles the shit out of your jimmies.

Now stop being a faggot.

>>81927032

I'd always thought of them as celibate, like monks or some shit. Not due to any rule or code, but simply because they'd stopped giving a shit.

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>>81924625
Seems like perfectly normal reactions, you autists have no idea how normal people function.

You'd have him scream his head off when finding his dead aunt and uncle? And look dumbfounded and in shock when he finds out the truth after an energetic duel? lol

>>81927206
its only purpose is to extenuate any movement, making her seem more vibrant/exciting then she actually is

>>81924753
Because the OT was silly adventures in space, specially ANH

Only when the prequels came out did we experience the full depth of the star wars universe and its political history

>>81927246
>because they'd stopped giving a shit.
I bet every jedi knew force handjob

>>81927246
>"LMAO DUDE SHE'Z A WOMXN THEREFORE ANY CRITICISM OF THE BELOVED STRONG INDEPENDENT WOMXN MUST BE MUSOGGYKNEE"

>obviously not on the same level
>can fly a ship better then they can
>can do Force powers that they never did without training (mind trick)
>can duel with a lightsaber better then Luke could until ROTJ

>Kylo
>nowhere near a Sith Lord
>he just wiped out Luke's Jedi Order
>he just defeated Luke himself
>he just did Force abilities that no Sith has done before (blaster telekinesis)
>muh "arrogance" excuse

t. Disney shill.

>>81927282
>the alternative to the image is doing the literal opposite of the image
who's the autistic one again?

>>81927227
I was pointing out your post to say the other poster was disingenuous.
Your post is under "see". I was answering to HIM pointing out what YOU wrote.

>>81927227
>disingenuous

I don't think that word means what you think it means

>>81927300
They failed utterly, then.

>>81927366
Whoops
I'm sorry dude I think I fucked up

>>81927371
dis·in·gen·u·ous
ˌdisənˈjenyo͞oəs/
adjective
not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.

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One thing I don't get. Someone, please, explain this shit to me! Why didn't Luke own the fuck out of Ben Solo when he went to the dark side? Surely Luke would be near Yoda's or at least Dooku's level. Did he just walk away, because he didn't want to hurt Ben? I'm sure Luke could assrape all of the knights of Ren, if he so pleased. So why? How could Ben Solo fuck up the whole jedi temple and Luke just becomes a hermit on an island?

Also, Snoke is not a sith, but he must know the ways of the force, so what the hell is he? I assume he doesn't have a lightsaber, so he must be some kind of force sensitive monk wielding a stick like that Asian guy in R1? Btw, I haven't watched R1. But we know Snoke is force sensitive, because he felt the "awakening" what the fuck that is. I guess Rey. And lastly, who would name their son Snoke? Who would serve a guy called Snoke? Who would look into the mirror each day and think "Yes that's me, SNOKE. I look fabulous today.". WHY? WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

Btw, why didn't Kylo rape Rey when he had the chance? He must have felt the pull to the "light", if you know what I mean...

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>>81927349
That is what the image was implying. Why else put these two images together?

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>>81924578
>caring about disney kiddie movies

>>81927246
There are female heroines since the 80s and before (Ripley).
I seriously hope you are trolling.

People (barring few fedoras) have no problem with the woman, have problems with the incoherency within the universe.
This: >>81927345
States it very well. Now answer with actual arguments to that post, and I can believe you are not just here for shitposting.

>>81927407
>Why didn't Luke own the fuck out of Ben Solo when he went to the dark side
Because, despite what the Disney shills will try to make you believe, Kylo Ren is actually quite powerful. He has the Skywalker blood in him which puts him on the same tier as Luke and Anakin. It's likely that with his Knights, Luke would've got BTFO'd in his old age. So he was either defeated outright, or retreated knowing he'd loose.

>why didn't Kylo rape Rey when he had the chance?

Because, while I think he might be gay, I don't think he's into traps.

>>81925405
So he inserts his jewish agenda into everything he makes, good to know.

>>81925019
>Jedi Power Battles
my negro

>>81927407
Qui-Gon.
Sleazebaggano.
Biggs Darklighter.
Shmi.
Plo.
Nute.

>>81927394
No worries mate it can happen! I wasn't completely clear.

Now let's double down on the shills.

>>81927529
Qui-Gon and Biggs are okay for Star Wars, Plo and Nute are alien names, and the others are absolutely retarded

>>81927371
I seriously hope you are not a native english speaker.

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>>81927445
let me use up my saturday hating on the storyline of a kids space wizard movie, which are really toy commercials. Look it up, how much the toys make compared to the movies... I'm pathetic, but let me hate on MaRey Sue! I hope Snoke reveals that Rey is the dark side chosen one and that is why she's so powerful. What that means? I dunno I just made that up, because that's what I do on a saturday night. Please just end me.

>>81926912
>serious lack of originality.
they haven't done anything original yet.

>>81927345

>"LMAO DUDE SHE'Z A WOMXN THEREFORE ANY CRITICISM OF THE BELOVED STRONG INDEPENDENT WOMXN MUST BE MUSOGGYKNEE"

I don't give much of a shit about her gender, but it's pretty fucking obvious that if the character were male people wouldn't give nearly as much as a shit.

>obviously not on the same level
>can fly a ship better then they can

She does nothing more impressive than Luke or Anakin did. But even if she did, as a force-sensitive, she'd almost certainly have a natural aptitude for it, just Anakin and Luke had as children. I don't see any of you questioning the likelihood of Anakin surviving a podrace or Luke nailing 2m wamprats

>can do Force powers that they never did without training (mind trick)

The force manifested differently in force sensitives. Who's to say it isn't possible to realise the JMT without training? It'll take more than some whiny faggot to convince me it won't.

>can duel with a lightsaber better then Luke could until ROTJ

She learned to fight and defend herself while growing up in a hostile environment. For all you know she had more martial training than Luke.

>he just wiped out Luke's Jedi Order

Did he? What did that entail? Did he bust in by himself, or did he have help? Did he have the support of Snoke or the first order?

I'm guessing you have no idea and are just making desperate excuses.

>he just defeated Luke himself

Again, did he? No evidence that he fought Luke directly, or what the circumstances of *that* was. Could be that Luke saw his pupil turn to the dark side, realised how badly he'd fucked up and went straight into exile.

>he just did Force abilities that no Sith has done before (blaster telekinesis)

Jesus, you're retarded.

>muh "arrogance" excuse

- Darth Maul was killed while goading over his 'fallen' opponent
- Darth Sidious was killed while goading over Luke on DS2

And you'd suggest there's no precedent for sith being beaten whilst being arrogant about their broken opponent? Fucking idiot.

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>>81927479
>Luke would've got BTFO'd in his old age. So he was either defeated outright, or retreated knowing he'd loose.
you're a fucking retard anon. luke wasn't even there when shit went down. snoke is scared of luke. kylo and the rest wouldn't stand a chance if he wanted to kill them.

>>81927479
If Kylo is so fucking strong how could he lose to the MaRey Sue?

>>81927470

what've other heroines got to do with what >>81927246 said?

>>81927947
Because she's still more powerful than a very powerful Sith. That's what makes her a MaRey Sue, among other reasons.

>>81927947
perhaps he didnt want to win

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>>81927902
Why doesn't Luke just go kill Snoke? Snoke ain't even a sith lord. Is he a pacifist? Pretty bad option to pick from, but maybe that is why he became a buddha on a cliff island planet. What if he tries to battle the dark side without resorting to violence? Good luck, I say, but maybe that's what's going on there?

Wasn't the whole point of Force Awakens that Kylo Ren is not an experience dark side user? He's like an autistic child.

>>81927729
The you are even more pathetic, because you answer to a thread you despise so much.

>>81927845
>"The force manifested differently in force sensitives. Who's to say it isn't possible to realise the JMT without training? It'll take more than some whiny faggot to convince me it won't."
The only time Luke ever used a Mind Trick was in Return Of The Jedi after he had finished his training with Yoda. It's definitely not something you can simply do.

>>81928063
>he's not that experienced in dark side force, so that means someone who's never used a lightsaber before can beat him in a fight

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>>81928090
And what do you do? I already called myself pathetic, so you don't need to do that. You have nothing to offer, so go wank to /b/

>>81928063
Yet he can do uber things like stop a blaster shot in mid-air. It's all very inconsistent.

>>81927989
His argument is "you hate women" and he reiterates it i subsequent posts but, albeit I did read fedora tier-arguments against Rey (arguments I despise), say that one criticise the character because hates woman is tumblr-tier arguing I cannot read on these boards.

Mn are accustomed to female heroes, both in movies and in games, so muh-soginy is not an argument (as much as "waaaah wimminz are weak, they cannot fight", is as much as a retarded argument).

>>81928136
Isn't this a case of 'it is a mystery which will be explained in the next film'? Remember when people were like 'wtf is going on' in the prequels? Well the next films were SUPPOSED to explain; they didn't. But films these days won't allow it.

Anyway my point is; isn't Rey like the reincarnation of the Light Side Goddesses or some shit? As in, she's stupidly powerful, she just won't find out until next(?) film?

>>81928063
I loved that idea of the Supreme Gentleman wannabe Sithlord-actual edgelord. Great way to avoid the comparison with Vader.
But then... explain me his exploits and how he wiped Luke's order.
As other posters pointed out, he is a walking contradiction. The idea in isolation is cool, but clashes horribly with his role in the story.

>>81928168
I should tell you to go tu fuck yourself but then I laughed at the pic.

>>81928136
Doesn't she get flashes when she picks up the lightsaber? I assumed it was like Matrix logic

>>81928173
The prequel trilogy and George Lucas established that there are dark side techniques specific to the user and that they are amplified based on rage --
Kylo Reeeeee

>>81928259
I assume it will be explained in the next 2 movies. There wasn't a lot of information about Vader when A New Hope came out

It's true, any fandom will always go back to fucking powerlevel discussions.

>>81925141
it was a 'shock and awe' move.
it was a modification of the 'stop a laserblast with your hand' move that literally everyone can do

>>81928259
We know almost nothing about the 'Knights of Ren'. But Snoke said "Even you, the Master of the Knights of Ren, have never faced such a test..." Which could imply that being the master of the knights is a big deal. I think we see them in Rey's vision wielding all kinds of weapons which must be lightsaber tier. The knights must have helped Kylo Ren to destroye the temple. I think they will be introduced in TLJ and be a great test for MaRey Sue.

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>>81925234

who hurt you, anon-chan?

>>81925019
>not using the superior Stass Allie.

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>>81928054
>Why doesn't Luke just go kill Snoke?
because disney are scum and would rather push she strong woman/diversity agenda than give us a good star wars movie.

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>>81928292
I should fuck myself, but you gave me a (You) so here's your (You)

>>81928419
Master of The Knights Edgelordum>>>>>>>>>>>Master Sith/Jedi>>>>>>>>>>>>Snoke>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>FORCE TREE

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>slaughtered an entire jedi temple
>the jedi temple that belonged to luke skywalker
>h-he's not even that experienced

Can Disney shills and their shitty nu-Star Wars franchise leave?

>>81928252
If she's a reincarnated goddess, that's even more retarded than her being an amazing sword fighter for no reason.

>>81927770
You just don't understand! It's NOT the Death Star at all! I-it's bigger!....So take that!

>>81928515
I can't remember. Something to do with there were two people, man and a woman and then the man went evil for some reason and so she did something to stop him. Something about a tree. Something about how it's all about balance, not one side winning so she's in Rey to stop Dark Side from raping everything cause there is only a few Jedi left.

Or something fuck knows, somebody will do post the leak.

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The question is, why the hell did she hear Obi-Wan's voice when she touched the lightsaber?

>>81928600

Why would Han and Leia name their kid Ben when neither of them give two shits about the old man?

>>81928507
>killing the younglings
>a feat

>>81928600
She's a God and she can hear all the Light Force Jedi who have died. I bet you that's it.

>>81928387

That's not it. Op's image shows the diff between making the dark side a menace and making it a farce. The sith always had raw strength over the jedi before disneywars. Where the jedi excelled was in harmony with one another. In star wars storytelling terns it makes no sense that rey needs no supports (or shitty joke cameo supports like old han that dont know her at all) to lean on like annie and luke did. It breaks the paradigm apart and replaces it with generic action movie nonsense

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>>81924657

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>>81925664
>Asians don't count as minorities ebcause they're not lazy and stupid, and are productive and creative
asians are as chimp-like as any other non-white

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>>81928682

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>>81928499
A fucking tree?

>>81928600
>The question is, why the hell did she hear Obi-Wan's voice when she touched the lightsaber?
Nice dubs, old man. I think the lightsaber had recorded all of those visions and sounds. Kinda cool when you think about it. But the more you think about the force or the more the characters mention the force it will seem the stupidest thing ever. These movies are made for toys anyway. Now then. Where did I put my Kylo Ren figurine?

>>81924625
Have you ever had someone die on you out of nowhere?

Most of the time you don't start to cry immediately until the shock wears off.

This one time during winter my cat fell through the ice and died, and at first I thought she looked kinda funny because she was frozen solid, just like in those old Tom & Jerry cartoons where the tail and limbs were completely frozen straight. I didn't start crying until I was alone in my room and realized what had happened.

>>81926927
>conceived by fucking midichlorians
Midiclorians are just bacteria which happen to like force users

Force itself isn't bacteria.

>>81928714
>Nice dubs, old man. I think the lightsaber had recorded all of those visions and sounds. Kinda cool when you think about it.
kill yourself faggot

>>81928719
It's funny like that. You cognitively know that your cat has died but the information hasn't been processed by your brain yet.
Do you think your brain knows what has happened and is in shock/denial or is the information just on a delay?
Compare it to being pinched; does your brain get the pain signals but suppress them or do the signals just arrive later?

>>81928631
Well, he helped rescue Leia and also saved Han from a shitty smuggler life by hiring him.

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So this dude is not a Sith and I assume not a Jedi, so he is basically a wannabe, am I right lmao

>>81927345
At no point is it suggested that Kylo defeated Luke or that he wiped out the Jedi trainees by himself. TFA shows that he had the other Knights of Ren with him, and in the newest TLJ trailer we see he waited until Luke was away and he had Captain Phasma and a bunch of stormtroopers with him too.

You're just mad Kylo isn't an escapist power fantasy character you can self-insert into

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>it's fucking 2017 and there are still people who unironically protect hackbrams shitty flick that in any way can't be called Star Wars

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>>81928847
>saved Han from a shitty smuggler life

>>81928973
>people bitch about Rey and Disney Wars while unironically praising the ACTUAL mary sue of star wars

toppest of keks, sorry the tutorial of a doom clone isn't the canon explanation for the death star plans anymore

what if women can be jedis in bed but men cant and thats why shes got both her hands because kylo wanted the vag but he couldnt so he cried so hard

>>81928342
>>81928419
But this is not ok. A movie should be a story, this is just the Lost (not by chance) gimmick translated to SW! Is horrible!

>>81928810
Well I think consciousness is separate from the brain but let's not get into that. I believe you don't start to get sad until you make the conscious effort to realize you won't see the person/animal you love for a really long time--or perhaps even never again.

>>81928988
>went from fucking around with giant slugs and overgrown apes to fucking princesses
It was a clear improvement.

>>81929048
>A movie should be
Fuck off.

>>81928631
Naming him Bail Solo after Leia's dad would have made way more sense. But fuck that guy, he only adopted her and raised her as his own, he wasn't a space wizard.

>>81929057
went from being on the run from a crime lord to being on the run from the empire, went back to being a smuggler anyway.

>>81929082
Regardless, it should be self-contained enough.

>>81928906
>"DUDE WHAT IF THE EMPEROR WAS HUGE AND ALIEN THAT WOULD BE FOKIN AW-SOME!"

>>81929048
>this is just the Lost (not by chance) gimmick translated to SW
ok? I liked Lost and thought JJ Abrams was the perfect choice for Star Wars, especially after seeing the first two Star Trek reboot movies

A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back had plenty of cliffhanger moments and mystery shit. I'm not saying TFA was as good as them but it certainly wasn't a bad movie

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>>81929032
I'll decide what is the canon for myself, you let the jews decide for you, fine by me.
I choose good story, great characters and the feel of Star Wars.
You were chosen to watch moneygrab soulless agenda. Good for you.
Pay your shekels, goyim.

>>81929122
That's because JJ and Kasdan are fucking hacks willing to throw character development away for nostalgia.

OP is creating the best content /tv/ has had in ages. Keep em comin

>>81928173
in the beginning of the movie he is still confident in the facade that he is the next Darth Vader

as the movie progresses his will is eroded and he's made to take a good hard look in the mirror as to what he is and deal with the moral ramifications of what he's done and what he has to do the continue the charade, and once he makes the decision to kill his dad he fucking loses it because it doesn't make him powerful like he thought it would, combine that with the bowcaster shot and he was brought down to Rey's level

>>81924625
Unfair. Luke was very worried about his aunt/uncle, hence why he ignored Obi Wan's warning and tried to save them, then he discovered their friggin' charred remains, and he has a look of shock and "ok I have to do something now" about him.

In Empire he learns the dude he thought killed his father + is an alround mass-killing agent of the Empire, is actually his father. He hates it and believes he makes the ultimate sacrifice, only to narrowly survive.

This thread shouldn't be about female jedi but female stormtroopers. Now that's some forced shit.

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>>81929181
>but it certainly wasn't a bad movie
kill yourself retard

>>81929242
>Unfair
wording this. the way Luke says "Lead them back....... home" was amazing. one of the best and most underrated deliveries of a new hope

>>81926889
This. If those leaks are true, then this will be the case, as sickening as it is.

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>>81929205
>implying star wars hasn't always been a cash cow franchise
>implying George wasn't even more exemplar of writing stories based on marketing and financial decisions (see sparing Solo in RotJ because he feared it would affect toy sales, making Vader Space Jesus)

if prequelshit wasn't enough to kill star wars for you, I don't know how the Disney stuff is all that egregious. Oh wait, you were 4 when phantom menace came out and TFA was made by le evul disney jews, niggers kike feminism mary sue!

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>>81929322
>retard
t-they're all wrong

maybe it's not a masterpiece or even a good star wars follow up, but it's a good movie

>>81929240
>and he was brought down to Rey's level
that didn't stop him throwing rey 30 feet in the air so he could have that stupid little fight with finn

>>81924578
>implying Kylo Ren is experienced
>implying he isn't just a manchild with powers

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What did they mean by this?

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>>81929367
this post is spot on. most people in /tv/ seem to think the prequel trilogies were some grand saga

this character was made so that 4 year olds would buy his action figure

>>81929371
most people will like what they're told to like. what was good about it anon?

>>81929405
>manchild with powers
So he's like every great sith lord/jedi master

Will Rey have a part of her body cut off just like Luke and Anakin?

>>81929181
I think that if you don't get why lost is bad, you would not get why this kind of writing is bad.
You have the perfect attention span for this new SW I guess.

Well, I can still watch the old movies.

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>>81929405
>trained with luke
>trained with snoke
>lost to someone with no training

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>>81929367
At least back when George was in the lead, good thing happened. Good things in videogames, novels, comics. Star Wars universe was not limited by the fucking movies.

Was there anything good about star wars lately?
>movies
no
>games
no
>novels
fucking no

Nice try being an edgy oldtimer prequel-hater memer though, have a (you).

>>81926236
Except Maul is established as an experienced fighter with a full understanding of his opponent, whereas Kylo Ren is a punk-ass kid who gets cocky and isn't prepared to fight a jedi.

>>81929448
>most people
But that totally doesn't include you, right, snowflake?

>>81929533
>whereas Kylo Ren is a punk-ass kid who gets cocky and isn't prepared to fight a jedi.
he's 10 years older than her and she isn't a jedi

>>81929439
iirc they did not expect Maul to become popular at all.

The whole merchandise wave came a bit delayed and him getting revived later is ultimately the result of his late popularity.

>>81929509
the problem is that you're a prequelfag who thinks the Force is about being kidnapped as a baby, being tested for the Force level in your blood and then shipped off to the Official Yoda Jedi Training Academy™ to whack around glowbats with your youngling buddies for 25 years. it was NEVER about "muh training", it was about spirit, belief, and conviction in a power greater than oneself. Rey believes in herself, Kylo is an impotent, raging sperg who thinks he's hot shit but secretly hates himself.

Kind of like how Vader went from kicking Luke's ass in ESB to being a mopey bitch in RotJ because Luke constantly eroded his conviction in the dark side

>>81929448
It was a fun action/adventure with good music. I saw it opening night and loved it -- as did a lot of people on here

>>81929494
Critically there were a lot of flaws with Lost, as there were with this movie. They were still great "experiences," which is something JJ is usually good at delivering. I loved Cloverfield in theaters, too

I grew up on the originals (pre-special edition because oldfag) and practically have them memorized from rewatching them so often. Hated the prequels and thought TFA was a solid 7/10 for what it was

>>81929592
I had a Darth Maul lightsaber before the movie was out. Played sounds and lit up

>>81929625
Lightsabers are one thing.
But Maul also got a lot of other shit later.

Pencil cases, figures and other shit.

>>81928810

having a strong emotional reaction at the moment of a death can get you killed. the brain realizes there is a lethal problem, pumps you full of various chemicals and lockdowns, so you can get the fuck out and survive.

animals go into shock specifically as a survival mechanism for horrifying shit. luke's reaction to seeing his charred family is 100% realistic.

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>>81929525
>eufag

kill yourself, I'm sorry you feel like you wasted your time writing all those book reports on the New Jedi Order and Republic Commando series in middle school because they're not """canon"""" anymore

>>81929612
>it was NEVER about "muh training"
Yeah that's why Luke needed two masters to teach him!

>>81929586
I went in to tfa as a lifelong star wars fan wanting to love it, I even went back a second time because I didn't want to admit to myself it was that bad. I must have just been too tired at the midnight screening, but it was garbage and the more I thought about it the worse it got. i'll ask you again what was good about it?

>>81929612
>I'm Mike Stocklasa welcome to RLM
>I DONT GET MY FEEL OF MAGIC MY STAR WARS I WANT JJ TO DIRECT IT
>I loved it.

>>81929651
Ehh I remember him being heavily marketed. He was noticeably absent in most of the video games, though

>>81929678
How much """training"""" did Luke actually do, though? He was with Obi-Wan for two days and maybe a week with Yoda, and very little of Yoda's training was a literal training, it was about teaching him to think beyond the physical. He wasn't doing lightsaber training.

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>>81929625
>good music.

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>>81929671
Well it's you who cares about what is canon and what is not.
As i told, if you are fine with being mindraped by Kathleen Kennedy, it's ok. I don't blame you.

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So who was the best side-villain of the prequels?

>>81929671
Not him but most of the EU was never canon in the first place.

People praise the Disney takeover for getting rid of Abeloth, the Vong and other shit but those things were never canon to begin with.

Just like the Force Unleashed story and most other videogames.

Thrawn books were considered canon and other stuff like Kyle Katarn were half-canon/theoretically canon.
Lucas himself said he only ever considered the movies and TCW TV canon anyways and thats like the only opinion that mattered back in the days.

>>81929755
Even Mark Hamill said the music made scenes he was sceptical about good

>inb4 Disney paid him to say that

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>>81929683
what's even the point of arguing here? Any points someone brings up regarding their positive opinion of TFA you're just gonna say HAHAHA NO

and you're an EU/prequelfag anyway who doesn't even like Star Wars as a film series, you like it because it lets you have childish escapism through documenting fictional universes on wookiepedia about chairs, so who the fuck cares about your opinion?

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>>81929612
>the problem is that you're a prequelfag
except I was watching the classic trilogy for 15 years before the prequels came out.

>>81928906

snoke founded the jedi, he was betrayed by his own pupils, then founded the sith as a retaliatory action of revenge.

the sith is just a revenge cult of people who've been wronged.

this is why luke goes "boo hoo jedi must b ending now" after he reads the history books in the tree. he's sent down a spiral of events that give him a desire for revenge, and the books make him feel like he has justification for it.

The movie establishes Rey is competent at a lot of things. The force works in mysterious ways to help her survive.

Kylo is emotionally all over the place and underestimates her.

Let go of your hate. It's a space fantasy. Rey is the direction the new series is going. Either embrace it and try to find things to enjoy in the new trilogy or stop bitching and watch the originals or in your case probably the prequels until you die.

>>81929765
General Big G was the most interesting in design but executed in a mediocre way in the movie.

>>81929802
>can't remember a single piece of score that isn't a remix of previously composed Williams themes
>oh and also Kylo Ren's theme - the most generic piece of score ever
>everything else is just so bland

>>81929222

or maybe he left his family and went back to smuggling as a coping mechanism for the serious family problems stemming around kylo?

>>81929802
>tfw even "Across the stars" can't salvage the terrible romance scenes in the prequel

>>81929765
Grievous

>>81924625
I don't think a hysterical sobbing twenty something year old would've fit the tone halfway through a standalone magical science fantasy adventure movie

>>81929765
Is that third one from a video game? I feel like I have never seen him before in my life even though I've seen episode 3 twice

>>81928173

did you not realize that the entire movie had a thing where they introduced what looked like the new vader, then spent 2 hours completely humanizing him and specifically showing that he didn't even like being the bad guy?

>>81929806
>and you're an EU/prequelfag anyway who doesn't even like Star Wars as a film series,
I really enjoy the original 6 movies, fair enough if you like the new disney movies but I don't think they fit with the old movies at all. regardless of that you sound like a real faggot anon.

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TFA and Rogue One are both the worst Star Wars movies.
They don't feel like Star Wars at all and are also simply bad or boring without anything memorable inside them.

TFA only has the TR8R moment standing out and Rogue One has Vader killing a bunch of rebels. The rest is either bad or forgettable. And Williams work on TFA is easily the weakest in all of Star Wars as well.

Say what you want about the prequels but atleast they are Star Wars in their core and have a lot of good memorable scenes. Even the Sand movie.

>>81929910
>or maybe
You're just making excuses for a bad movie.

>>81924578
>kylo
>experienced

wew lad

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>>81930006
>Say what you want about the prequels but atleast they are Star Wars in their core

What is "Star Wars" to you? You're just coming up with vague, meaningless platitudes. I fucking hate the prequels because I find them thematically anathema to everything the originals represented plus boringly shot, terribly written, and poorly made in general

Yet I bet you will complain TFA doesn't feel like star wars yet simultaneously complain TFA is too similar to ANH

>>81930006
Leave it to the Seev poster to try to spin the thread into prequel praising.

>Kylo is Han Solos son

I still can't believe that.
They say it in the movie like a million times but it just doesn't get through me.

And i don't think the problem is Kylo being ugly. It's just that the entire presentation was weak as fuck. Just like Hans death.
How can such a big important character die and nobody feels anything? How can you fuck up that hard?

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>>81929309
>she will never gently nibble on your testicles

>>81926762
>well yeah but if they just write in a reason why shes a mary sue its ok

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>>81930049
>trained by luke
>trained by snoke
Rey
>trained by nobody
>the only scene about her past - her being abandoned as a child implying she had no training before and grown all her way to the first screen appearence on jakku, doing nothing but scavenging
>USES FORCE
wew, lad
thats not how you make a movie

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>>81924578
>Women can be jedi too. Get over it.

Not to add fuel to the fire but they said this even back in 1983 with RotJ and nobody has ever refuted it.

It's just Rey is a terrible forced character for the time being is all.

>>81930025
that's actually the reasoning behind it though. Just because Han Solo wasn't the perfect mary sue you put on a pedestal as a child doesn't mean it's some grand betrayal of his character.

He didn't go back to being a smuggler for shits and giggles, it was a means of escapism to deal with his grief over raising the new dark lord, and it's made abundantly clear it's not something he's still particularly good at or enjoys doing, and his real calling is fighting for freedom

>>81930006
>have a lot of good memorable scenes
I can only name the ones /tv/ has memed because I've seen them here.

Episode 1: Podracing and Obi-Wan seeing Qui-Gon dying just like Luke seeing Obi-Wan dying
Episode 2: The futuristic city at night with Obi-Wan and Anakin jumping between cars
Episode 3: overly long battle sequence
Saw all 3 in theaters and like once or twice on home video

>>81930128
>How can such a big important character die and nobody feels anything?

The characters or the audience?

>>81930128
Han should've gone out fighting. Not mewling like a pussy over his edgetard spawn. Seemed so out of character.

>>81929625
>They were still great "experiences,
what this does even mean? It looks like an elaborated way to say "just turn off your brain".

Lost and TFA are just stuff made up on the fly with no respect for the story, the universe and the viewer.

>>81930092
>What is "Star Wars" to you?

-Family
-The struggle of good vs evil (selfless vs selfish)
-Redemption and Sacrifice
-The meaning of friendship and heroism

>>81930236
>reee why didn't he have a super duper badass death where he shot 10 million stormtroopers and then blew himself up to destroy starkiller while screaming NEVER TELL ME THE ODDS

you are a child and have no right to call anyone an edgelord

what if rey is more powwrful because of vagina

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Post yfw "Kreia was right" becomes canon.

>>81930128
Han's death is the equivalent of blowing up Aldeeran. Nobody gave a fuck.

>>81930257
How is this not represented in TFA and Rogue One?

>>81930249
I liked the special effects, seeing it in theaters with all the fans, waiting in line, talking about it on here, etc

>>81930189
Audience

Han Solo is a fan favorite but did you see people cry over his death?
Of course not.
The entire scene was bad because the audience never really got a chance to see what happend between Kylo and Han.
And Harrison Fords performance in TFA was overall pretty bad. He was a walking corpse for most of the movie and obviously didn't really care.

>>81930271
The prophecy of the chosen is made by her in the EU.

>>81924578
>>81924728
>>81925255
>>81925783
>>81925944
It's not just about in-universe consistancy and fucking power levels you spergs

Think about it from a writing perspective, 3 movies built up to Lukes final confrontation and defeat of Vader, but Rey has already defeated our main Villain in the first movie.

How can there be tension in the next 2 movies knowing that Rey can beat anyone at any time with no effort?

I don't understand how people can defend Rey beating Kylo with no training because he was 'injured' as though that duel was something that actually happened. The only reason Kylo was injured was because they fucking WROTE him to be injured so Rey could win the duel.

>>81930395
because kylo isn't the main villain obviously

>>81924625
Do you realize that The Force Awakens is the SEVENTH movie in a franchise and made just a few years ago with an enormous budget?

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All these Star Wars movies that are in production and not one is Top Gun: X-Wing edition.

>We will never see old Wedge Antilles training new pilots
>We will never never have top tier spess dog fights and other First Order super weapons
>We will never have a Max Rebo cover of Danger Zone

>>81930395
Just have her fuck up in a bad way that gets herself or someone close to her hurt or killed? Pretty easy way to create tension.

>>81930268
It would've made sense for his character. Live by the gun, die by the gun etc

>>81930395
two problems here

1. You are equating Vader with Kylo when literally the entire point of the character is that he isn't Vader
2. You are assuming Kylo cannot grow more powerful or grow alongside Rey because he lost once

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>>81930150
>somebody saved my pic

>>81930310
>Family
Family in Rogue One is limited to Jyn and her father and both don't interact a lot.
The rest is a crew of special snowflakes going on a mission.
And family is a theme in TFA but very badly done and surface level.
>-The struggle of good vs evil (selfless vs selfish)
The Empire/Order is obvious evil but the at the same time you never really get the feel that the good guys are in any form of danger. Which makes the entire thing pointless.
>-Redemption and Sacrifice
Kylo will obviously go through that later. And Sacrifice doesn't necessary mean going on suicide missions. Rogue One overdid that.
>-The meaning of friendship and heroism
TFA is the story of Rey and her being the perfect at everything girl which isn't heroic. And there wasn't any friendship in TFA unless you count the 1-2 HanxChewie moments or Finn being bro with Poe (Which didn't make any sense)
And the cast in Rogue One doesn't live long enough to form a believeable bond as well.

>>81927445
Posting a reddit image on an internet tv and film forum sure shows that you don't care about "disney kiddie movies"

>>81930494
except he's not really that guy anymore, that terrible scene with the monster showed that he's washed up and not that respected anymore

>>81930310
not him but

>struggle of good vs evil
There can't be a struggle when Rey is perfect at everything, also with the rumours of 'Grey' Jedi it shits on this even more

>redemption and sacrifice
Kylo will probably be 'redeemed' but he's hardly stone cold evil like Vader was. And for sacrifice see point 1

>the meaning of friendship and heroism
I guess there are friends in TFW (though im not sure I agree with star wars being about the meaning of friendship anyway), and there cant be heroism when your protagonist is again, an OP mary sue

basically Rey is the worst thing ever

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>>81925370
>B-b-but Muh Nigress Yoda

Ebin.

>>81930540
Why do I have a feeling you only know the the concepts of family, friendship and good/evil through movies and video games?

>>81930164
>that's actually the reasoning behind it though. Just because Han Solo wasn't the perfect mary sue
I underhand the reasoning but it's still shit, han was never perfect but his arc was overcoming his selfishness, jj just wanted to remake a new hope. Who the fuck wanted to see divorced han and leia? no one, who the fuck wanted luke to be a worthless depressed coward hiding on an island? no one. of all the the things they could have done they did betray the characters and the story up to that point, fuck tfa.

>>81930624
Because you refuse to overthink your position and spend more time thinking about potential weakpoints in other peoples arguments.

>>81930569
But the movie shows she's not perfect at everything though? All her triumphant moments come when she's either hoping for the best or after some failed attempts. You know, like a normal persons would.

>>81930271
If only she succeeded in wiping out force users...

>>81930271
Please no more floating lightsabers

>Luke
>gets rekt by sandpeople
>gets his family killed
>succeeds at the end because the force helps him guide that thing down the hole

>Rey
>kicks aliens ass
>doesn't have a family to lose and is strong and independed - Doesn't need a Finn to hold her hand because she can take care of herself
>flys the Falcon without experience and beats Kylo because the force stopped being plotarmor god and started making people - in that case Kylo - literal retards for a few seconds so she can win

Basic Rule of shonen manga

>dark side edgy villain will always end up as one of the protagonist but will never be completely forgiven so he has to have a redemption arc
>Mary sue protagonist will be trained by the strongest hermit alive
>big bad will always have other stronger enforcers than edgy faggot

>>81930720
Wait what, when does Rey fail at anything?

She fights off those dudes trying to steal Nu-R2, then perfectly pilots the Falcon and saves them from Tie Fighters, gets a magic vision from the lightsaber, then she reverse Force rapes Kylo, teaches herself the mindtrick, and finally effortlessly beats Kylo in a duel.

>>81930683
>Who the fuck wanted to see divorced han and leia? no one, who the fuck wanted luke to be a worthless depressed coward hiding on an island? no one. of all the the things they could have done they did betray the characters and the story up to that point, fuck tfa.
I made the same argument about the ending of La La Land and got made fun of, so by extension you should be made fun of too... you won't be

I decided I wouldn't watch La La Land again. Most people loved it, but it wasn't for me

>>81924578
>experienced

But that's wrong. Kylo Ren is only a half-trained brat that throws tantrums.

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>does not know about force existence up untill she meets han
>thought it was a myth
>knows the technique of mind tricking people and force pulling
>the technique is actually staring at something and open your mouth like a retard.
Just explain it.
protip: you can't

>>81926721
That'd be kinda cool actually

>>81930897
Im confused what does any of that have to do with La La Land?

>>81930920
There are three options.

1) Rey has amnesia and learned all that shit years ago and sometimes things just flip through

2) Rey is literally the re-incarnation of the LIGHT SIDE itself

3) There is no good explanation for it and JewJew is simply a shitty writer and made things because he thought it was cool or funny

>>81930910
10 years training is a lot of experience compared to none.

>>81930920
>the technique is actually staring at something and open your mouth like a retard.
Well that's obviously the way a beginner does it becouse Obi Wan - a master jedi, had a closed mouth in the ot. That's definite proof she's not a Sue.

>>81928719
>Most of the time you don't start to cry immediately until the shock wears off.
So when did Luke cry after the shock wore off?

Oh right, he completely forgets about it and they're never mentioned again in any part of the trilogy.

>>81931005
/tv/ is hypocritical and you don't have to watch the new Disney movies if you don't want to

>>81931024
When I first saw it I thought #1 was implied because of her vision

>>81929843
One question - how would you react if people in lotr would fly supersonically?
Is acceptable, right? There are flying creatures in lotr and is fantasy, after all..

or not? If not, why?

>>81931050
ok one of us has to be drunk cos I have no idea what you are talking about.

Someone mentioned not liking Han and Luke running away and you said you made the same argument about the ending of La La Land?
I don't see the connection

Why does Reddit downvote any criticism of nu Star Wars? Did you see how quickly they overwhelmingly danced about Rian Johnson being too pussy to show a gruesome scar?

>>81930694
Lel you don't need to over think anything in TFA and Rogue One to see they both share star wars themes

>Family/Friendship
TFA has rey/han, han/chewie still, han/leia/kylo, rey/finn, finn/poe, finn/han. It's all right there but you're too socially stunted to see it.
Rogue One has Jyn and her father, the brothers, the crew together as a whole. Hell it has fucking Jimmy Smits praising Leia.

>Good/evil
It's literally the premise for both fucking movies and exists throughout the entirety of them.

>Redemption/Sacrifice
Does Rey being abandoned on a desert for most of her life not seem like sacrifice to you?
What about Finn taking a leap of faith and escaping the one thing he knows because he knows it's the right thing to do?
Or Han going to confront his son after abandoning him knowing most likely it will lead to his death?
If you can't find redemption and sacrifice in rogue one you are an idiot.

Seriously it seems like all youre doing is looking for things to bitch about instead of taking in what's there right in front of you.

>>81925944
Maul took on two Jedi, killed one, then knocked the other down a pit and only lost because he started fucking around with him shooting sparks down instead of killing him. Tard.

>>81930150

you forgot the part where kylo specifically did not want to kill rey. literally he had the chance to throw her to her death and he asked her to train with him.

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>>81931024
1) Wrong. She was left at a very veery young age. She could not have much training before.
2) Probably. This shit theory might come up the right one.
3) Thats true.

You don't get it OP.

Rey was the dark side user.

>>81931030
Probably cries on the ride back to Ben.

Although not otherwise mentioned, they are easily still a major factor in his motivations. To stop The Empire.

>>81931024

it's obvious that it's #1 from her autism visions she has any time she hears words about the force.

>>81930894
She has trouble taking off with the falcon, is muttering to herself praying that her plan works.

She lets loose a ridiculous monster that almost kills her friend.

She can't shoot a blaster worth shit and then gets taken hostage by kylo.

She fails the first couple mind tricks.

She is getting beat on by kylo until she lets the force control her actions.

It's the force you dumb shit. It works in mysterious ways.

>>81931139
>Does Rey being abandoned on a desert for most of her life not seem like sacrifice to you?
But we don't see that

>What about Finn taking a leap of faith and escaping the one thing he knows because he knows it's the right thing to do?
We don't see that either, we only see him leave, from our perspective Finn is a good guy from the start and nothing else.

>>81931119
If you haven't seen La La Land then just forget I replied, sorry. Wasn't even anon you replied to originally

>>81925141
>not even powerful enough to catch lasers with his hands and knock them away like dark vader does
LOL

>>81931301
You've just fallen for her mind trick.

>>81931311
>But we don't see that
We literally do.

>>81925664
What about pandorans in WoW? There you had a Nordic fantasy setting, and to pander to the chinks Blizzard included fucking panda people and ruined of the aesthetic of the game and whored themselves out in a single instance.

>>81931024
>Rey has amnesia and learned all that shit years ago and sometimes things just flip through
Are you implying that a toddler could have any significant training? You Nu Star Wars fans don't think that's leagues worse than the shit Anakin did in Episode I?

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>>81931301
Nuwars kids in denial.
I am sorry to disappoint you, but it's the SEVENTH STAR WARS INSTALLMENT. In the previous ones it was told that THAT'S NOT HOW THE FORCE WORKS.
You can't deny Luke's training, Obi Wan being a Jedi Master, and the whole prequels.
You just CAN'T DENY THEM.
>muh mysteriou force
>if i try to tell him to free me maybe dis dumb stormtrooper will do so le xD
>audience laughs

>>81931133
Reddit does whatever Pleb Letter Media says.

>>81931301
this is b8 right?

Rey's failures consist of :

having to mutter to herself before expertly piloting a ship she's never flown before (???)

Letting loose a cartoon octopus, which you may remember she also kills by pushing buttons that close a door on the other side of the ship, how does she even know the layout of the ship well enough to do that?

Failing the mind trick a couple of times until she gets it right, no practise, no training, just repeating it until it works

And then being evenly matched against a trained lightsaber user until she remembers that she can use the Force, at which point she just beats him with no effort.

>>81931078
>She has trouble taking off with the falcon, is muttering to herself praying that her plan works.
Yeah the first seconds of her flight are shit but after that she becomes an ace pilot
>She lets loose a ridiculous monster that almost kills her friend.
She also saved him from that and those monsters got rid of the evil guys that were about to kill them.
>She can't shoot a blaster worth shit and then gets taken hostage by kylo.
She only ever misses the first blaster shot. After that she hits every single time far better than any Stormtrooper.
>She fails the first couple mind tricks.
She shouldnt even know that those are a thing
>She is getting beat on by kylo until she lets the force control her actions.
The dumb thing is that she still fights like a brute but wins at the end because Kylo suddenly goes weak on her instead of pushing her KO like he did with Finn

>>81929405
>>81930049
>>81930910
Finn tired to fight him and got wrecked, why was it easier for Rey? He was already injured when Finn fought him.

>>81931619
meant for >>81931301

>>81931494
Man remember when in the first star wars movie when obi wan disappears and then speaks to Luke from beyond the grave with no explanation at all and can only be chalked up to "the force"

It's almost like "the force" has always been a mystical source of power that no one fully understands that allows the writers of these films to do whatever they want.

Autistic fantasy fanboys are worse than sjws

>caring this much about fiction

Do yall never stop and think how youre wasting the short amount of time you have living by arguing over something that is literally fake

you could be out there working hard, making millions, becoming famous

but instead youd rather argue over something thats fake and even worse you attach political issues to them as pretty obvious projections of your insecurities (both sides do this)

like lmao

>>81930831
This right here. People made fun of the EU but the new movies are straight up anime.

>>81926603

Same with Luke and Anakin.

Hel Qui-gon died on his second fight with a sith.

Either rey is really good, or Kylo sucks, or both.

>>81924578
>Women can be jedi too.
Uh yeah, there were plenty of female Jedi and a number of female Sith. People always want to bitch about something.

>>81925690
who taught luke force telekinesis in between Star Wares and Empire?

>>81931691
>you could be out there working hard, making millions, becoming famous
Same reason you don't, because next to no one here will achieve any of that. We are plebeians and do plebeians, like argue over meaningless shit. And we take our meaningless shit very seriously. If you don't, there's the door.

>>81931744
Kylo was injured from Chewie's blaster and a blow from Finn. He's also less powerful than Vader, they make that pretty clear in the film, and Rey was already trained to use a staff, so she isn't a stranger to melee combat.

>>81931906
*do plebeian things

>>81931671
I can't see your point here. Everything you are pointing at is your small amount of intelligence.
It's different when there is a guy, who is an experienced magician, can speak to you while being dead and noname scavenger who did not know about force existence doing magic tricks instantly.
Go back to plebbit.

>>81931932
Staff =/= Lightsaber
Also Kylo was already injured during his fight with Finn, and he beat him up all the same.

>>81924578
Didn't both Luke and Annie get fucked up in their first fight vs. a Sith?

Mary Sue didn't even get a scratch or anything. Meanwhile Finn get's get shoulder burned and spine seared and he was actually trained

>>81931932
>Still with the bowcaster shot strawman
Wow, i guess fighting with a stick is basically the same as using a weightless laser sword!

>>81924625
To be fair, that's George Lucas's decision. Hamill asked whether Luke should be more of a wreck upon seeing his dead aunt and uncle, but Lucas specifically wanted the scene to play how it did.

Empire Strikes Back wasn't directed by Lucas, so they were allowed to actually show emotion.

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Fuck off sexists! This is OUR franchise now!

>>81927349
you got btfo by a dumb frogposter hahahahahahhahahaha

>>81931157
If she is luke's kid, won't she become a dark lord too? Seems it skips a generation.

>>81931963
Luke blew up the death star by being led by the force jussayin

>>81931139
TFA has no build up to relationships at all.

Neither of the relationships you're mentioning have any credibility when characters become best friends/family figures 5 minutes into meeting each other. Hell, they were together for a couple of days, at best.

And IIRC Leia and Han were neglectful parents to Kylo, so there isn't much family values playing there.

>Does Rey being abandoned on a desert for most of her life not seem like sacrifice to you?
What? It's not a sacrifice, it's an act forced upon a helpless child.

>>81931994
Finn isn't a force user. Rey is.

>>81931932

Yea, but Maul was fighting two people, dooku was fighting two people, Vader had the upperhand in many many ways. The point being, the good guy was the underdog. They made kylo the underdog and more sympathetic character. The girl wins. It breaks a long tradition of having the bad guy win their first fight. So the expectaction is Rey, AFTER TRAINING, will lose her next fight? Maybe? Everyone assumes not, that women will not be maimed in the disney star wars.

>>81924950
>capeshit
>Actually wanting more capeshit
Go back from whence you came pleb and never return

>>81925031
Wasn't there an adaptation by Miyazaki or am I confusing it with something else
>>81925068
What did anon mean by this?

>>81932046
Why is Padme fucking brown?!

>>81932037
>weightless
They're not weightless anywhere but the prequels. You can clearly see that they're swinging objects with weight.

>>81925214
>too raw and unfocused, could be stronger and lacks true commitment
Yeah, pretty much. Dooku and Vader by the time of the OT, not only had decades of experience, but a strong sense of discipline towards themselves that Kylo seems to lack

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>>81932238
>one in a million shot
>DOING FUCKING MAGIC TRICKS INSTANTLY
you are doing it wrong, plebbit.

>>81925234
>human-centricism is all fucked up and doesn't belong in good sci-fi
Not all good sci-fi has to have a shit ton of aliens in them. Next time think about what you're saying before you post your rant

>>81932301
>Maul was fighting two people, dooku was fighting two people, Vader had the upperhand in many many ways.
All of these people have likely decades more training and experience than Kylo.

>>81931671
But Obi wan was an established space wizard at that point. What we see here goes against rules of narrative.
That's actually what bugs me off the most of these movies. They are "meta". Most of the stuff that happens is for meta reasons.

>>81932451
>You can clearly see that they're swinging objects with weight

Fucking seriously? that's because it would be impossible to have actual weightless lightsabers in the movies unless we actually invent real lightsabers, retard.

>>81932511
all of the mc jedis have done mind tricks, I don't think they're so special

>>81932551
Lightsabers have weight in the EU, and Lucas always wanted them to look and "feel" like they had weight.

>>81932559
Tell me when Luke did a mind trick before his training.