The Sopranos

>>81910118
More like Dr. Milfi, amirite!?

the literally couldn't have laid it on any thicker

betray her ethics and gain revenge (tell tony about the rape)
or
don't submit to her base desires (don't tell tony about the rape)

they even did a pretty blatent dream sequence about it

>>81910173
I understand the conflict presented, but then it went nowhere and was never mentioned again.

>>81910173
this
>>81910199
also this

one of the weakest moments of the show, along with Adriana being a talent scout

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>>81910239
>along with Adriana being a talent scout
weak episode, but it had some great moments

>>81910199
>>81910239
Sometimes things happen for character development and not for """"muh plot""""

>>81910258
>Sometimes things happen for character development and not for """"muh plot""""
This incident didn't develop her character.

Fan service.

>>81910118
To give me fap material.

>>81910199
>it went nowhere and was never mentioned again
i think that's the point - my understanding was: Dr. Melfi was so stuck in her righteous ways, that she literally allowed the rapist to walk free, just so that she wouldn't rely on Tony to take revenge for her.

I think this was kind of cool in terms of writing, yet a really dumb choice made by her character.

>>81910199
It was to show she was literally willing to get raped for her profession.

>>81910239
That episode is constantly called one of the best of the entire show, pleb. It perfectly encapsulates the struggle Melfi has when it comes to Tony.

>>81910199
>things plebs say
It sets up the whole rest of the show. It means she's the only person Tony can't manipulate and bully, because she owes him nothing.
It shows us how much integrity Melfi has, unlike everyone else in Tony's life

The whole show was full of sjw subplots

>>81910199
Because the story was wrapped up, retard. She made her decision, she has to live with it.

>>81910118
What was the point of Melfi?

>>81910199
>but then it went nowhere
it literally was wrapped up in the last line of that episode

>>81911483
women being raped (like in real life) is sjw? the current cultural climate would mean half of Season 3 wouldn't make it on the air. "University"? Forgetaboutit.

>>81911861
greek chorus

>>81911861
A foil for Tony to talk about mafia shit

>>81910199
this show was too much for you kid

>>81911483
To think that at the time these episodes came out, Tumblr didn't exist. It was a simpler time.

>>81912274
What is the major difference in tone/theme/mood of shows before and after 9/11?

I didn't buy how it ended with melfi and tony.

so one night she's reading a book about personality types and she goes "holy shit why didn't I think about this six years ago?!" and dumps him?

>>81912529
gets much darker/more apocalyptic afterword

>>81912530
The series wraps for all the characters were weak, few shows are able to reconcile why major life events are happening to everyone at the same time in a manner that nessciates the story ending. In a way I admire Seinfeld for not even trying and for the Sapranos not doing "everyone moves away"

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>>81910118
They had to scramble to find shit to do in season 3 after one of the antagonists died IRL
I still love season 3 except for the scene where AJ cries while wearing the military uniform

>>81911468
You think that's integrity? It's dumb pride. she's the educated intellectual and he's the criminal scum. Not telling tony about the rape is just to remind herself that she's better than him and make herself feel better.

She's that shallow and insane. If you can get your rapist killed, Do it. There's no excuse. If that spic raped someone else it's all on her. Dumb selfish bitch.

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>>81912740
>If you can get your rapist killed, Do it. There's no excuse.
>mfw
You can't be this pathetic and jealous

>>81912785
Jealous of who or what? She's an idiot who would rather let a rapist go free to rape again than ask a lowly criminal for help she's insane.

>>81911861
I never understood how any of their discussions led him to "becoming a better gang leader", but they seemed to bring it up a couple times in the series. The only kind of related thing is she told him to read a specific book, but the show implies he's learning tactics from her and not from the most common book in the world

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>>81911389
>constantly called one of the best of the entire show
That's an appeal to authority and not an argument

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>>81912865
>i know the name of a fallacy so i win
yeah, nah

>>81910199
Dude, there's a number of Sopranos episodes that have their own self-contained plot. Why pick on this one in particular?

>>81912820
You'll understand when your older buddy.

>>81912916
>>81910199
Most Sopranos episodes are self-contained. I just watched the episode where Tony almost kills Chris for thinking Adriana was blowing him in that car accident and in the very next episode Tony and Chris are fucking around like nothing happened, literally making jokes with each other and shit

>>81912740
It would've destroyed her relationship with Tony as doctor and patient, there's that to think about as well.

>>81910307
I think it did help in her eventual break from Tony but it was needlessly long and in depth compared to how it could have been. It didnt even have to be a rape subplot to further the divide but it at least furthered that I guess.....

>>81912651
>the series wraps for all the characters were weak

I feel like that's the point. It's like life; there's no neat, tidy ending. Life just kind of goes on.

For example, AJs story was really only just beginning.

>>81913011
Whatever. In another episode they really should have followed this plot through to it's logical conclusion. That guy was pretty good at raping so it probably wasn't his first or last time. He rapes someone that Melfi knows/knows of and she has to agonize over her retarded decision not to act.

>>81912955
I'm probably older than you also:
>your
Dumbass.

>>81912970
I think that's part the episodic nature of the show and part how repressed all the characters are, particular the guys, by their need to keep up appearances for the mob and by their own emotional insecurity and fragility.

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>>81912865

>>81913046
>Whatever.
Melfi's work was literally her entire life. She's shown to have a fractured marriage and a son that resents her alcoholism, it's no shock that she chose to retain that special relationship rather than hire Tony as a hitman.

>>81912970
I love that episode. The part where they do the montage of phone conversations that twist the narrative more and more. Classic. And incredibly accurate.

>>81913078It's been a while since I saw the show but their relationship wasn't that special. She refused to see him on several occasions iirc.

>>81913112
She takes him back after he forces her to move out of town and one of her patients commits suicide possibly as a result - what does that tell you about how attached she was to him?

>>81910118
I have no idea but i can think of one thing seeing a bear eat my hunting mate.

God i guess this is how it must feel to get raped, i am so sorry on the behalf of all non-raping men.

Whenever i see a woman in trouble from now on i will protect her with all the might i can put up.

>>81913070
Meant for >>81912892

>>81913046
>logical conclusion
The possibility that he rapes Melfi and then goes on to rape a female friend or acquaintance of Melfi, and Melfi knows about this and knows for a fact that he committed both crimes, is not only illogical, but practically impossible, in terms of probability. It's exactly the kind of thing a lesser TV show would do to teach a character a "moral lesson" while sacrificing any sense of realism or real-world authenticity, and exactly the kind of thing The Sopranos subverted.

>>81910118

to keep tony in her therapy.

>>81913140
He always does all the work. She refuses to see him and he always has to talk her around. Is she acting on the assumption that he'll always come back? you're not making any sense.

If he's so important why keep cutting him off in the first place?

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>>81912785

meadow was so cute in season 1, but with beginning season 2 she looks different, still not bad but not as cute as in season 1.


time for some gabagool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOdvh8ik68I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EVfdKi73Kg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkrkoWNyKsE

>>81913210
She refuses to see him at most twice, once after he physically threatened her in Season 1 and once in Season 2 after he forces her to work out of a motel during the brief war with Junior. He walks out on her and "quits" literally dozens of times during the series, his commitment is far more tenuous, while she is literally bound by oath to help him.

Tony never took therapy seriously and never did any of the "work", like keeping a record of his dreams, or taking his medication as subscribed. She wasn't the best therapist, perhaps, but he was definitely a worse patient. Probably a large part as to why Melfi was so obsessed with saving him.

>>81910118
Did Tony sanction it or not, that was the purpose.

>>81913199
sopranos isn't above ridiculous coincidences to progress a story. Like tony recognizing an ex-hitman in the middle of bumfuck nowhere don't be dumb.

>>81913308
The "College" guy was very unlucky that Tony happened to be in the town he was relocated to, but it's not impossible, and wasn't something the show tended to abuse too much.

>>81913354
If there's one thing about sopranos it's that it's a small world and everyone is connected. Nothing happens without without someone who knows someone else or one of their relatives or something finding out.

>>81911483
>charcoal briquette
Yea, it was just pandering to sjw's constantly

Would Tony actually do anything though?

>>81910118
So that the viewer could self-insert.

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>>81910307

Yes it did, it showed she absolutely will not give in to Tony's way of life.

>>81913354
TV shows have to do this though. You have to have a reason to be watching this episode at this point in time. There's a saying that writers ask themselves when writing a storyline - "why today?" because you have to justify why you are depicting this moment in time specifically, which often leads to uncommon occurrences being commonly utilized

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>>81911483

>>81913639
He hated Janice and still kicked the crap out of the Russian guy who slapped her - what do you think he'd do for the one woman he loved and obsessed over, but couldn't ever have?

>>81910118
Making families who watched the show together feel uncomfortable.

>>81913662
So she's just arrogant? I always thought it was out of character for her to spare her rapist and almost certainly condemn other women to getting raped. She's already seeing a therapist just like tony does and seems interested in his way of life enough to research it.

I have trouble believing anyone could be that stubborn. Not just for herself but for future victims too.

>>81913781
>I have trouble believing anyone could be that stubborn. Not just for herself but for future victims too.
People generally only think for themselves. In this instance, she was thinking of her moral purity (superiority).

She's fascinated with him and his life, but also utterly horrified and mystified by it. She'd be destroying her own personal ethics by harnessing his rage and violence for her own revenge.

>>81913833
Isn't she kind of already violating her own code of ethics by seeing a therapist herself? How can she give sound advice when she can't even sort herself out?

>>81913781
Women who are legitimately raped let the rapists walk free all the time. You're thinking with reason because you're a man. Women lack this. They're more likely to make up a rape for personal gain than to report an actual rape.

>>81913896
I'm aware of that, also that women fantasize about rape but that's another topic for another time and probably another board.

>>81913878
There's no rule against that, in fact, it would be very easy to justify it on the basis of needing herself to be in peak psychological condition so as to give her patients the best care possible. See how easy that was?

>>81913923
It's like taking financial advice from someone who is deeply in debt and seeing a financial advisor though. She shouldn't be able to do that in good conscience

I just finished the series and I didn't expect that ending at all. WTF

>>81913982
Remember, when she sees her patients she sees them as a doctor, not a person. Now - the boundary lines obviously aren't very clear, her relationship with Tony spills over into her personal life quite a bit, but officially, the she's living two separate existences.

>>81913878
pretty much all therapists see therapists. Therapy is nothing but a huge circlejerk

>>81914055
its like takin a SHIT

>>81913982
>>81913878

it is common for therapists to get supervision and stuff like that.
they even have to do a therapy before they can begin with their work, nothing wrong with that.
it is people like you that see it as a weakness but often it is not.

>>81913308
Well witness protection would naturally seek to place someone precisely bumfuck nowhere so it isn't exactly unrealistic.

>>81914037
>>81914055
People are arguing she's so ethical but she's giving family advice when she's an alcoholic who doesn't even know how to maintain a good relationship with her own spouse and child how is that ethical?

>>81912680

AJ had the shittest arcs imaginable, nothing he did was interesting or thought provoking. Meadow was terrible but at least she wasn't as cringe worthy as AJ.

So why didn't Melfi confide in Tony to take the guy out after being screwed over by the justice system? It's a lot more realistic but in a sense I guess but I guess they wanted to show how the good hearted people get fucked over by society more while the ones with more corrupt souls are rewarded.

>>81914037

if you have little psychological experience you see that tony is cutting the borders slowly but enduring, for example giving her a coffee, which is the most obvious one.
he is a manipulating psychopath and you see that early in the show, even if you think everything is justified and he is a nice guy, he still is playing with humans, just not with his family.

>>81914132
I mean, every character on the show is shown to be morally duplicitous on some level, and living life ultimately not by some steadfast ethical code, but by whichever ways make things easier for them. She's not exempt from this, even though she is one of the most virtuous characters on the show.

>>81914180
You know who had an arc? Noah.

Is Tony dead?

>>81914186

what is even worse, the mother of tony, borderline or narcissist, is just the mother of david chase, who wrote the show.
he wanted to educate people about borderline ps and stuff like that.
when he finally found the actress for this role he thought "oh my god that is my mother" and she played the role very well.
sick shit, because i knew many women that are like this, when they are not beautiful anymore and get old they are just evil, and if they are young they just play their games like there is no tomorrow.

>>81914198
Since her ethics are flimsy at best, getting tony to kill her rapist would have certainly made her life easier, not having to think about the past and future victims.

The only strong argument IMO is that she didn't want to be indebted to him, not that her reasons were ethical. She's a smart girl and probably knew that when you owe a mob boss a favor you're gonna have a bad time.

>>81914328
>Since her ethics are flimsy at best, getting tony to kill her rapist would have certainly made her life easier
Exactly, which is why it's her shining moment, she takes the high road, when it would've been incredibly easy for her to instead indulge in violent revenge. She was satisfied with just the feeling of knowing that she could. I think throughout the entire show that's the moment where a character truly stands by their principles and doesn't give into base human instincts. Tony deciding not to fuck Julianna Skiff is another one, although he almost immediately goes back on it.

Also, of course. Tony scared the shit out of her and she was smart enough to stay well enough away from his business.

>>81910118
Oh shit I just realized she's the wife from Goodfellas.

>>81912833
It's about talking therapy leading to higher quality introspection. Just like it helps you face your own issues better it helps you see real life problems in a different way. She's the only one he spells out the intrigue etc. in the actual way he sees it because she's not a part of it. Just translating your thoughts into words to another person helps you see things in a more objective light.

>>81914480
remember when Paulie ratted on Tommy to the Gambinos for trying to rape her

>>81914409
If her shining moment is letting a proficient rapist go free she can have that one I guess. It might haunt her for the rest of her life. Maybe that's less scary than being forcefully coerced into banging someone who scares the shit out of her I don't know.

>>81914180
>AJ had the shittest arcs imaginable, nothing he did was interesting or thought provoking.
I don't really agree. AJ's arcs just showed him dealing with the reality of him just not being cut out to be a gangster and struggling with the fact that he will never completely fit in with his family.

>>81914853
I agree with the other poster I fucking hated AJ. It wasn't realistic at all. In reality everyone would be sucking his dick because his family is fairly rich and his dad is head of the damn mafia. Oh no but he has an existential crisis and tries to kill himself pfft. He's too young to be that disillusioned with wealth and power. It's got nothing to do with being cut out to be a gangster since his father obviously doesn't want that for him.

>>81914958

he tends to depressions, like his father, but at the same time he is no "alpha" like his father so i think the role isn't unrealistic but just annoying, i waited the whole show to finally see tony beat him.

>>81914732
Violence doesn't undo violence.

>>81914958
AJ was incredibly realistic. Reminded me a tonne of my younger self, pseudo-intellectual, resentful of his father, obsessed with the end of the world and politics for no real reason. Chase did a good job of writing an angry and confused adolescent in the 21st century, better than any other show.

>>81914958
I don't think it was being disillusioned with wealth and power, he was just a kid who didn't like to see harm come to others. A 'good' person, so to say. He had to deal with the reality of his father's entire life revolving around hurting, extorting, and killing others. And the resulting wealth of those activities was the wealth he grew up in. He even tries to be a gangster by helping those other mobster's sons beating and mutilating that other kid that owed them money. At that point he realises what the daily reality of his father's life is like and he tries to off himself.

>>81914732
And it might "haunt" her (it doesn't) for the rest of her life, but the consequences for her in that case are far less immediately severe than destroying her doctor-patient relationship with Tony and making her indebted to a psychopathic mobster.

>>81910173

Couldn't she just tell the police so he gets put in prison? It's not either ignore it or have him killed.

>>81915176
No he's too young to be suicidal over that. He hasn't even got to the point in his life where he gets to spend money.

The suicidal part comes after spending money doesn't make you feel any better.

Her turning to Tony gives him validiation and eases the cognitive dissonance caused by violating mala inse evolutionary traits.
Tony knows he is evil deep down thus the panic attacks. He fears judgement and being held to account on a deep level and her proving she is no better than he is relieves inner tension

>>81910118
The intention was to illustrate that she's a better person than Tony and his ilk for not having her rapist murdered, which she easily could have done.

>>81915412
Its pretty much the same dynamic as that of Batman and Joker

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most satisfying death of the entire show

>>81915357
He's really not that bad though. Pretty much everyone who he destroys knew the risks and took them anyway. Did he have a going to hell revelation after he got shot? I don't remember.

Someone so well acquainted with the seedy underbelly of mankind shouldn't really have such scruples. Who the fuck is really "good"? 99% of the "good" shit people do is superficial signaling garbage to make themselves feel better.

>>81915538
Tony is a murderer., a pimp, a drug dealer and a leech on his community. He talks about loyalty, about community to set himself up as some sort of Robin Hood but all he does is spread misery. He couldnt even be loyal to his wife

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you know Quasimodo predicted all this

>>81915538
Good is what produces the most benefit for the maximum amount of people and encourages social cohesion and stability.

>>81915538
She's totally insulated from the "seedy underbelly", as a member of the intelligentsia. The closest she gets are her sessions with Tony and watching the evening news.

>>81915596
Who does he murder who didn't deserve it, or knew the risks though? IIrc he wasn't a fan of drugs. As for loyalty to his wife, that's not really the same thing as loyalty between men in their culture. In his mind she should just be grateful to have a rich husband who buys whatever she wants. She lost the high ground by flirting with other men anyway.

Melfi picked muh morals and now that spic will probably rape more women because he just got off the hook.

>>81915625
bobby. no... ;_;

>>81915776
"Murder" is murder, regardless of knowing the risks.

>>81915810
I'm on season 5 right now. Does bobby get hurt?

>>81915818
So the prison guys who give lethal injections are technically murderers?

>>81915776
How about the wives and children of the peoe he killed? How about the fact Tony created the environment that employed these people as professional criminals?

>>81915844
Not according to the law. Murder is a very specifically defined crime. Tony is a murderer. The entire latter half of the show was repeatedly showing the viewer that he was an irredeemable sack of shit who saw nothing morally unconscionable with what he did.

>>81915844
They are murderers but acting with legal permission. Tony kills extrajudicial

>>81913706
He didn't really do it out of anything for Janice. It was more of a show that you do not hurt the sopranos

>>81915832
>they say you don't even see it coming

well he was wrong

>>81915861
If he didn't do it someone else would do it. Maybe someone worse. It's possible that by being the boss he actually reduced the amount of suffering in the area. Were the other guys after his territory worse than him?

>>81915899
This, he cared because he viewed as an attack on him and his dignity.

>>81915917
> If not him someone else
But it was Tony. Tony was a criminal eho hited professional criminals to loot the community and flood it with whores,drugs and murder.

>>81915899
Right, he did it out of a sense of duty, not actual personal empathy. When he did act out of personal empathy, like killing Ralph over the horse, he typically went to much further lengths. Whacking a made guy and a top earner out of emotional anguish like that, for instance.

God, I miss the old days when redditors were a rare sighting here...

>>81915985
So you support putting whores out of work? IIrc tony wasn't a big fan of drugs it could have been a lot worse. What did he do to loot the community exactly?

>>81915917
Guys like Phil and Richie were obviously even more insane, but Tony was definitely a bad guy by any standard. He robbed people, brutalized people, and murdered people, for his own gain. Those are bad things. Bad people do those things.

>>81916057
>What did he do to loot the community exactly?
Does the bust out count?

>>81916057
He stole from honest people and used the threat of force to keep them silent.
And yes I support putting whores out of work because not only does it spread disease but it puts desperate women at the mercy of people like Tony.

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>>81915915

tfw thinking of eating her last ziti

>>81916204
>And yes I support putting whores out of work
You monster

What honest people did he steal from? Iirc most of the stealing happened from peopel linked to other gangsters and people who were stupid enough to gamble with the mob.

Honest people don't gamble with the mob.

>>81916278
Random truck robberies are a common occurrence on the show. From Brendon's hijacking gone wrong in Season 1 to Chris and Tony robbing the bikers in Season 6.

>>81916336
I thought the truck robberies were from a company backed by other gangsters

>bikers

Are they "bikers" or proper bikers who are also an organized crime outfit?

>>81916278
You gave anexample yourself: He ran an illegal
Gambling den. Money he took in is cash that didnt go to someones child. Tony is a detriment to society.

>>81916395
Who the fuck knows? Why are you so invested in defending a professional criminal who the creator of the show admitted was ultimately capable of no human good whatsoever?

>>81913522
>he doesn't live in that type of community

Rhode Island Bro here, very close nit. Everyone knows each other and everyone is in each other's shit. It's not strange.

>>81916443
Go away tripfag.

>>81916435
Professional criminla is a very flexible term, A shitload of politicians are technically professional criminals but nobody is bitching about them.

I'm just trying to keep things factual here without relying on stereotypes.

>>81916506
Professional criminal is a pretty concrete term. Tony has never had any other job beside being a criminal. He was robbing and looting out of the womb.

>>81916506
Everybody bitches about politicians. They're one of the most unanimously reviled groups of people in society. Tony makes his living through extortion, theft, and murder. He's a professional criminal.

Here's something factual; you're fucking retarded.

>>81916562
>>81916577
The trouble is that useing your logic that the person who runs an area is responsible for all the bad shit that happens then people like say, the mayor of chicago are so much worse than a fictional character like tony soprano that tony seems like a good guy by comparison.

>>81915538

he is, but people like him can manipulate easily so the viewer may think of him as a nice person, this is very well done, because if you think objectivly he is bad for everyone around him.

>>81916655
No one pelected Tony the legal whore murderer

>>81916278
Remeber the scene when Patsy was going around charging shops for protection? Thats an example of the mov looting the community.

>>81916655
You're beyond help.

>>81916669
Everyone around him except his kids are there by their own choice.

>>81916715
It really depends on the area. If the area has enough potential for crime they might really be protecting those business owners.

I bet that in some places in the world shopkeepers would hapily pay an organised crime syndicate to kill anyone who robbed them.

>>81916715
I love the sopranos but never felt anything but loathing for Tony. I dont understand why people excuse him

>people saying it shows how strong melfi's ethics are
>she deliberately doesn't move him on to behavior therapy because she likes the feeling of knowing she could have her revenge if she wanted

>>81916762
You're basically admitted Tony is a toxic, destructive and murderous person by putting all the onus on those around him to stay away, like he's a wholly negative influence who only leads to ruin.

>>81916771
Maybe you're just not old enough or had a sheltered upbringing and don't understand how fucked up the world really is.

>>81916771
I love him, but he's an absolute bastard and sociopath. I love him for all the other things about him, not his criminality and selfishness, which admittedly make up a huge part of him as a person.

>>81916762
We do pay for a gproup for protection: they are called the police and unlike armed thugs we have the ability to regulate cops. If the police are corrupt its because people like Tony arent taken down and corrupt the legal system

>entire show dedicated to showing you the eternal conflict of a man
>people think his personality can be defined in a single word

>>81916849
Police aren't an effective deterrent for petty criminals and even less of a deterrent for organized crime. This is also tue int he sopranos universe because the entire show revolves around crime. You didn't really think this one through did you?

>>81912785
They deserve death

>>81910199
This
I get that she didn't want to get Tony to kill him, but she did find out his identity. Did she go to cops about it or did she let him go free? That's what I want to know.

>>81916799
I served in the US Navy for 8 years and from my viewpoint the legal system is a major reason we dont devolve into a drug ctatorship

They had to have one character on the show that acted as a moral compass, to reference all the actual characters against. That was Melfi. She is "best" person on the show by design.

Now because of this, she's a lot less relatable and believable as a character, but her purpose on the show was to be its conscience.

>>81916922
He was released from custody due to mishandling of evidence.

>>81915241
so you're talking about a show you didn't even watch?

>>81916237
>>81915915
Is Janice responsible for his death? I'm the guy who's still on season 5

>>81916863
Cunt

>>81916940
Oh shit.
Ain't that a bitch.

>>81915521
I mean it better have been. It was virtually the last 3 seasons had been building to that moment.

>>81916938
>>81916776

>>81916966
No, his phone is. (not kidding)

>>81916908
Thats where you are wrong. Chicago cops were corrupt to the core which is why an outside force of Federal agents was able to take them down.
None of these mafiosos last long; Lucky Luciano is the only one who ever managed to retire and even he was deported.
Police, by the way, arent a deterrent and their job isnt to prevent crimenot is to catch offenders.

>>81916776
I don't think this is true.

>>81917042
>Police, by the way, arent a deterrent and their job isnt to prevent crimenot is to catch offenders.

And that's where mafia protection steps in. The idea is that criminals are too scared of concrete shoes to rob the store in the first place.

Frankly I'd prefer to not be robbed in the first place.

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>>81916506

>>81917098
And what do you think the mafia does to businesses they can't extort? Leave them alone? Or "convince" them?

>>81915117
it can undo future violence

>>81911483
>The fucking rapist was a spic
>SJW

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>>81910118

L E G S

>>81917201
What's really the worse extortion though ? Taxes to pay for police officers who can't help you and you'll go to jail if you don't pay? Or mafia protection that is probably more effective? If you dont' pay you might get beat up or robbed which could happen to you anyway since the police won't protect you.

>>81917275
At what cost, though? What if Tony and his guys found someone matching his description (medium height, medium build, Hispanic, working at Popeyes) but who was actually the wrong guy and killed him?

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fuck that faggot billy he deserved to die like a bitch

>>81917327
Lots of businesses turned them down but had to be "convinced" through mob violence and robbery to take the deal, so I'm guessing they would've taken law enforcement over the mafia.

>>81917327
If people like mafia protection so much why are they willing to risk their to end it?

>>81917420
That's sort of a brutal reminder that they're really at the mercy of criminals and the cops wont protect them though.

>>81917493
These criminals being the mafia, you mean. Who you're trying to say are the actual social watchdogs we need in our lives.

>>81917025
Poor Bacala

I had a dream I fucked her this morning it was odd and like a tony relationship thing

>>81917519
It's almost like an unofficial local government that steps in when the official government is unwilling or unable to fulfill it's duty to keep the people safe.

They're not just protecting against the mafia they're pledging to fuck up anyone who messes with a protected business and prevent the robberies from happening in the first place through fear because the real police aren't scary enough.

>>81912740
I don't think you understand what integrity means

I don't get why she just didn't file a charge on the guy again?

I mean she was sitll injured and probably had some sort of evidence. They could have just arrested him again for it

>>81917632
It's an unofficial clandestine paramilitary force that exists to make money for itself at the cost of everything around it. Anything else is bullshit.

>>81917713
I'd like to hear you opinion on that if you owned a store that had been robbed 20 times in 3 years with no arrests.

Hell some fast food joints have bullet resistant perspex now.

>>81917795
Ok I'll get back to you once I do that

>>81917379
we can play the what if game all day but when it boils down to it, the idea holds true that violence can prevent future violence is perfectly valid.

>>81918096
It doesn't prevent it, just replace it. That "what if" game is exactly the kind of idea Melfi had to grapple with when it came to her not using the mob to carry out her vengeance. The mob doesn't do due process. The mob doesn't guarantee a fair trial. The mob doesn't hold itself accountable.

>>81918252
>hurr durr I'm retarded: the post.

What do a fair trail and accountability have to do with this case? Also violence most certainly does prevent future violence. If the penalty for violent crime was death the rate of violent crime would drop overnight.

>>81918377
It has to do with them possibly killing an innocent civilian because he could happen to fit the vague descriptors of Melfi's rapist. Remember Phil's goomar and her old Ukrainian father?

>>81910199
that's a motif in the show, don't you see the repeating patterns?

>>81918436
She had his name dumbass.

>>81918457
Doesn't mean they'd get the right guy. A solider could've got wind of the hit and taken things into his own hands to impress Tony, and fucked it totally. Chris, a nearly-made man, got shot up by some associates who wanted to move up the ladder, you think they'll be as careful going after a suspected rapist? The mob is an ugly machine with a lot of moving parts acting independently. There's no telling who'd hear what and do what as a result. Melfi could've started a chain reaction that resulted in a pile of bodies, none of them her rapist.

>>81918531
>taco mcburrito who works at this coffee shop
>get the wrong guy

I wish she asked tony to kill you you're a fucking idiot.

>>81913040
That is my take away as well

>>81912970
i think that it's a definite undertone whenever the theme of chris mistrusting tony comes up, all the way to when he gets strangled

just because people can act like something didn't happen, doesn't mean they've forgotten

you never had a bad moment with friends/family/colleagues where someone gets very emotional, but you see each other so often that you can't afford to have that be the basis for your every interaction?

>>81918623
I think you're putting way too much faith into them. Phil Leotardo was a made guy who literally everyone knew and knew where he lived, and they messed that up.

>>81918681
I hear you. Someone I work with gambled away 2 grand of my money but I have to be civil since we have to see each other every weekday.

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>>81910239
>one of the weakest moments of the show
No, that would be the terrorist subplot
Sure you can call it post 9/11 paranoia but it was quite literally just tacked on to the story

>>81910118
>Let a rapist go free because "muh principles" so he can go on and rape again
Melfi was a bad person

>>81918739
He literally wears a name tag. Please kill yourself.

>>81910199

The show lacks consistency and is overrated

It's literally a soap opera

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What did Vlad666 mean by this?

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>>81914239

Why did you bring a nigger to my house Meadow!

>>81919398
Every season is great

Kill yourself

>>81910118
To show that she was a better person than Tony. She was given the opportunity to stoop to Tony's level and gain the satisfaction of revenge, but she chose against it.

>>81910307
It showed us, the audience, the strength of her convictions. It was a test for herself as well, as I doubt she knew she could/would go so far on her morals. It was also expanded on in her therapy sessions where she frequently breaks down because of her trauma, and it even effects her work. At one point she yells "I hate them!" Impulsively when discussing her patients. The internal struggles that Melfi overcomes are plentiful in this show, this was one of many. You don't need excessive plot to drive this point home