What is the "Finnegans Wake" by James Joyce of film?

Boondock Saints

Eraserhead

>>81885884
>autism
>call it literature

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>>81885884
>Brekkek Kekkek Kekkek Kekkek! Koax Koax Koax! Ualu Ualu Ualu! Ouoyauh!

>>81885946
On the scale of surrealism, I don't think Eraserhead is even close to Finnegans Wake
I'd venture some Stan Brakhage type shit like Mothlight

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>>81885884

Batman vs Superman Ultimate edition

ITT: People who haven't read it and think it's complete nonsense because they read a fucking cracked.com article

It's an amazing book. I can't think of any movie I've seen that accurately matches its style

what's the film equivalent of James Joyce's BRAAAAP letters

>>81885884
Batman v Superman

>>81886557
The only person who seems to think it's bad is >>81885986
I'd hope anyone who actually takes the time to click a thread like this is aware that Joyce is perhaps the greatest prose author in the English language

>>81886604
>I studied burger flipping so I have to give myself some value by pretending that reading nonsense has some sense
lmao

>>81885884
kékkek

>>81886661
Looking at A Portrait of the Artist or Ulysses should prove beyond reasonable doubt that Joyce isn't trying to slip something past his audience. In fact, he worked on Finnegans Wake for many years, all the way up until his death, revising it along the way. It's basically a neverending stream of multilingual jokes and wordplay, in which English is deconstructed and rebuilt in new combinations.

For example, look at the part on the bottom left where it says
>like Haroun Childeric Eggeberth he would...
It may seem like random nonsense, but the choice of those names is quite intentional - the initials 'H C E' are a recurring motif in the book to represent Finnegan (you can find them in the opening line in "Howth Castle & Environs").
By choosing Haroun (al-Rashid), the Abbasid king; Childeric the Frankish king; and Eggeberth the Saxon king, he is emphasizing a domineering quality in Finnegan, bolstered by the fictional word 'caligulate' (which is obviously a riff of Roman emperor Caligula)

Every clause in the book, no matter how absurd and nonsensical, had a distinct meaning to Joyce - even the crazy 'thunderwords' like
>bababadalgharaghtakamminarronnkonnbronntonnerronntuonnthunntrovarrhounawnskawntoohoohoordenenthurnuk!

>>81885884
Haven't read it, but Last Year At Marienbad, maybe?

Inland empire?

>>81886604
> greatest author
> stories are about nothing

>>81887268
You have to be braindead to believe this

>>81885946
Eraserhead is, like, Kafka tier.

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>>81885884
CIA RISES

>>81886557
>It's an amazing book
No it's not.

>>81887481
Ask me how I'm 100% certain you haven't read it

>>81885884
Passages from James Joyce's Finnegans Wake by Mary Ellen Bute

>>81885884
People who write in books should be shot.

>>81885884
Wow, I thought I could read but I guess I'm illiterate.

>>81886604
>English language

Youtube poop

Waking Life?

>>81886899
>Every clause in the book, no matter how absurd and nonsensical, had a distinct meaning to Joyce
Yep, that's autism.

Jean Luc Godard and Ann-Marie Mieville's

H I S T O I R E (S) D U C I N E M A

>>81886899
Dogshit that means something is still dogshit, you know

>>81886061
I haven't read Finnegans Wake. Is Inland Empire close to the scale of surrealism?

>>81888168
No, dogshit that means something is Art.

mothlight

>>81886604
>The only person who seems to think it's bad is >>81885986 #
And ezra pound.
Whats the quote? It wouldn't be worth reading even if it had the cure to syphilis.

>>81885884
this looks like a college freshman is taking their first literature analysis class and they think everything suddenly has meaning. lmao

Problem Child 2

>>81885884
I didn't realize Dr. Seuss wrote prose.

>>81886604
Ulysses and portrait of an artist are great. Memeagain's Wake is trash.

>>81886899
Was it Ulysses or Finnegan's Wake that was written with the intent to troll literary critics? I forget which.

>>81888253
Nah. People used to have Joyce parties where they would sit around and dissect Finnegans Wake for fun.
Its the literary equivalent of the plane scene.

>>81888384
too high brow for me i guess


its like the equivalent of highlighting important parts and suddenly the entire page is yellow lol

>>81886028
>It had been a stretch a-time since anyone in Hazzard County used their brains.

>>81887334
Omg le epic one day where man goes to funeral and jerks off on beach

Omg le epic night where family dreams

>>81886028
>memeing the greatest work of English prose

>>81888484
Abstracting things until they're absurd and then attacking how absurd they are doesn't make you look smart, it makes you look like a teenager, which I'm willing to bet you are

>>81888572
Wow, did you learn those fancy words from Joyce?

So what are the stories of Ulysses and Finnegan's Wake?

>>81885884
Joyce was a fucking hack

>>81885884
people who do this to books should be shot in the street

>>81888572
I'm willing to bet you didn't understand most of Joyce's work and are just parroting what you've read in literary criticisms to seem like an intellectual.

>>81888666
>abstract and absurd are fancy words
Did you drop out of high school or are you just planning on it?

Ulysses takes place in one day in Dublin following the perspectives of multiple people going about their day-to-day activities. It is an ode to the beauty of small minute details in life.

Finnegans Wake (there's no apostrophe) doesn't have so much of a single plot as it is a series of short vignettes, typically one or two pages long, with a series of significant characters connecting multiple of them. The point of the book isn't plot, it's the humor and playfulness of the prose, and the fun of puzzling out all of the portmanteaus and other forms of wordplay.

>>81888784
Except I've never seen a single critique of Finnegans Wake I agree with. They all claim that it has extremely poignant meanings and that every allusion and reference is crucial to understanding it, when I think Joyce was just a good old boy who loved language and wordplay and wanted to give the reader some massive and fun to chew on

Greetings from /lit/

>>81886899
>"It's so dense": The Book

Dog shit

>>81888803
So in other words, stories about nothing.

>>81888868
>thinking Joyce gave a fuck about the reader

You need to go back

>>81888991
Ulysses is about day to day life (something)
Dubliners is about day to day life (something)
A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man is about growing up and spiritual awakening (something)
Finnegans Wake is about nothing or many things depending on who you ask (up to you)

>>81889060
The reddit opinion is "THIS BOOK (see: a screenshot of a page or two) IS SOOO CRAZY XDDD WTF WAS HE ON WHEN HE WROTE THIS??"

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Is he right?

>>81888991
But only YA plebs and genreshit fans read for plot anyways. It's all about prose, baby

>>81889097

And how do you know what Reddits opinion would be, redditor?

>>81888163
this

>>81885884
Finn again wake

>>81889166
Wild guess
How did you?>>81889060

>>81888868
>*tilts fedora*

Joyce freed his mind and became a sceptic.

>>81885884

Perhaps Begotten, though I think that's not quite right.

>>81885884
>>81885884
This is book kino, isn't it?

>>81889123
Good authors write great prose. Great writers tell great stories with great prose.

>>81885884
>Kekkek Kekkek Kekkek

More like Finnegans Woke

>>81888803
Life as a pseudo intellectual must fucking suck.

>>81889218
not him but you are such a retard holy hell

>>81888868
>when I think Joyce was just a good old boy who loved language and wordplay and wanted to give the reader some massive and fun to chew on

yes

>>81885884
The notes are more confusing and harder to read than the book.

>>81889065
Wow anon

>>81889677
Not him but you sure showed him!

Joyce's earlier works are on point, but around Ulysses he became a meme god and couldn't stop himself.

>>81888428
Highlighting is nowhere near the same thing as writing notes you complete utter pleb

>>81890110
this

>>81888428
Before the internet.

>hurtleturtled out of heaven

#SquadGoals

>>81886604
You are joking right?

>>81887575
Ive read Ulysses and that was shit; this looks to be in the same vein

>>81886604
/tv/ is just full of plebs my dude

I haven't even read the book and yet I don't think that I'm smarter than the hundreds of thousands of academics over the last hundred years who think that it has value so I'm not going to just dismiss it outright because I think it looks weird and hard to read.

>>81890388
An appeal to authority is not a good argument.
Read it and get back to us.

>>81890606
Are you a scholar? I think not. Your opinion counts for nothing against someone who knows what they're talking about.

Go back to shilling DC

>>81890606
An appeal to authority is a fine argument in this case. I can't say that it's a good or bad book, but I can't say that it's retarded to dismiss it unless you know a fuckton about literature.

>>81888163
K I N O
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>>81890670
you dont seem to understand a simple fallacy, so your IQ is probably too low to even have a conversation with you

>>81890727
Even among academics Joyce is controversial, nevermind among writers in his own time. Virginia Woolf straight up said his work was shit.

>>81890727
And what qualifies as a "fuckton of knowledge"

Ive read a fuckton of books (joyce included) and i say it was shit

>>81890727
>An appeal to authority
is a logical fallacy, and not an argument

>>81885884
>what is the "overrated le intentional incomprehensible trash" of film?
Sucker Punch

>>81890803
Surely BvS

>>81890670
is this bait?

fuck off back to >>>/lit/ you nerds

>fkowrmergkoeagkafpakoragkoawkog

That's me being a literary genius, every letter has a meaning

>>81890798
You're a fucking idiot, appeal to authority is a fine argument. It's only a logical fallacy if the authority isn't an actual expert.

Also I'm not even saying that it PROVES the book is valuable, I'm just saying that it means there's a good chance the book is actually valuable and unless you are highly knowledgable you shouldn't shit on it.

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>>81885884
David Lynch's "great American novel." I didn't get much out of it besides a general tone & atmosphere the first time I saw it. Re-watched it a few years later, and I connected with Laura Dern's character(s) a lot more, it made a lot more sense.

>>81889348
>he fell for the story meme
Hello Cormac!

>>81890775
>Even among academics Joyce is controversial
No he isn't.

>>81890775
>Even among academics Joyce is controversial,
Not true at all
>Virginia Woolf straight up said his work was shit.
One of the few to do so

>>81886604
You obviously never read Ready Player One.

>>81890775
To be fair, most of those people are fucking prudes, and Joyce wrote at a time when racism against Irish/Catholics was still real and prevalent. I haven't tried to read Finnegan's Wake, but Ulysses is a disgusting, beautiful character study that should appeal to pretty much anyone who gives it a chance

>tfw the endgame of literature is poetry
>people fell for the joyce meme

>>81891165

Only correct answer

>>81888803
>It is an ode to the beauty of small minute details in life.

Sounds gay as fuck. No thanks I don't read gay nerdshit.

>>81891180
>he fell for the joyce meme

hello pseudo intellectual!

>>81891348
I hope you mean pre-18th century
Because anything else would simply be stupid

>>81891165
The problem with this comparison (even though I think it's one of the better answers) is that Inland Empire still has actors that do things on screen even if what actually happens in different scenes isn't entirely easy to connect. I haven't read Finnegans Wake but a lot of OP's image doesn't even consist of words with actual meaning to them (at least if you're reading it uninitiated). I can't even think how you'd do something similar with film.

>>81885884

Can we all agree that Joyce either took the whole "Shakespeare (((invented))) 1700 words" assertion to its logical conclusion, or rather he fundamentally misunderstood what Shakespeare did?

>>81890670
>I haven't read the book
>But experts say its good
>So it must be good
This is literally what you're defending you mouth breathing, meme spouting autist.

>>81891299
>a time when racism against Irish/Catholics was still real and prevalent.
It was a better world.

The problem with most literary fiction is that it expects to do alotta legwork for simple points that other works done much easier without all the pretense

the most highbrow thread on /tv/ in months

>>81891454
I think Lynch and co. are using every element of performance & filmmaking for pure expressive power, rather than any attempt at straightforward narrative. Joyce does something similar with language.

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>>81885884

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>gaggin fishygods!

>>81891518
Unless you're an expert, your opinion doesn't matter on something like this.

There's this idea that plebs have that everything should appeal to them, and if it doesn't appeal to them when they're 16, or 18, or 20, then it has no value. They equate inaccessibility with pretension. I don't know if the book is pretentious, but if you don't have enough knowledge to breach the inaccessibility to understand it, then you don't know either.

>>81891478
from ulysses on, joyce was so autistic and living in his own literary microcosm that his work is mostly incomprehensible gibberish to the layman. calling him the greatest writer of all time is basically saying that things like emotion and aesthethics are less important than circle jerking on words.

>>81886604
>greatest prose author in the English language
>english language
That's not saying much. Upgrade yourself to Russian or French you utter fucking plebeian.

>>81891837
Good picks.

>>81891837
>"""""""language"""""" other than English, Latin, or Greek
Bait harder

>>81891299
>To be fair, most of those people are fucking prudes, and Joyce wrote at a time when racism against Irish/Catholics was still real and prevalent.
Haha, yeah, those days are gone of course, wait a minute...

>>81892106
>I'm a monolingual burger but I throw in the classical languages not to look like a pleb

>>81891694
>There's this idea that plebs have that everything should appeal to them, and if it doesn't appeal to them when they're 16, or 18, or 20, then it has no value.
The interesting thing is that this bizarre line of thinking is rather unique to literature. You never see someone going around claiming Vivaldi or Rubens are 'bad' even if they aren't personally a fan, and you certainly never see people making threads on /mu/ which say
>I can't sing and I don't know how to play instruments, any advice on releasing an EP?
while we get threads on /lit/ virtually every day along the lines of
>never been much of a writer, but I'm starting a book. Any advice?

It seems the fact that people have to read and write constantly in their day-to-day business makes them think they are a certified expert, while they would never make that mistake with music, painting, sculpting, etc.

>>81892261
Yep, also you see how artists get made fun of horribly for "muh style" excuzss when their craft is bad, but in the literature world people will put inhuman amount of efforts into defending bad stories.

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>>81891267
RP1 is pure art.

>>81892968
>>81891267
REDDIT IS FIERCE TONIGHT, BOYS

>>81892968
POST MORE

>>81890326
Brainlets....
Smh my head