What went wrong?

>>81823729
nothing

nothing it was comfy just like all the other trek shows

Fans at the time complained about DS9 not being TNG 2.0 and straying too far from Trek's routes, so UPN made the writers more or less ignore Voyager's premise and pretty much just continue TNG's alien/anomaly of the week formula.

You not using the trek thread

Everything.

>>81823729
Janeway murdered Tuvix.
R I P
I
P

they left the salamander babies instead of raising them.

>>81823729
Crew kept dealing with Delta Quadrant drama instead of trying to get home.

>>81823729
Nothing I enjoyed it.

>>81823729
Nothing. Good TREK show. Unlike some other stolen B5 show that later morphed into shitty Star Wars clone because who the hell wants to watch the Adventures of Hotel Middle Management in Spaace.

No consequences and very few recurring alien characters (when they're totally dependent on aliens for a lot of shit).

>>81824314

Oh can it.

DS9 was the peak of "Star Trek". Dat serial format and willingness to visit the dark corners that regular Starfleet couldn't handle off the bat.

It dared to question utopia itself and even the Federation.

"Do you know what the trouble is? The trouble is Earth-on Earth there is no poverty, no crime, no war. You look out the window of Starfleet Headquarters and you see paradise. It's easy to be a saint in paradise, but the Maquis do not live in paradise. Out there in the demilitarized zone all the problems haven't been solved yet. Out there, there are no saints, just people-angry, scared, determined people who are going to do whatever it takes to survive, whether it meets with Federation approval or not."

"I know you. I was like you once. But then I opened my eyes. Open your eyes, Captain. Why is the Federation so obsessed with the Maquis? We've never harmed you. And yet we're constantly arrested and charged with terrorism. Starships chase us through the Badlands, and our supporters are harassed and ridiculed. Why? Because we've left the Federation, and that's the one thing you can't accept. Nobody leaves Paradise, everyone should want to be in the Federation! Hell, you even want the Cardassians to join. You're only sending them replicators because one day, they can take their rightful place on the Federation Council. You know, in some ways, you're even worse than the Borg. At least they tell you about their plans for assimilation. You're more insidious, you assimilate people - and they don't even know it."

>>81824630
t. edgy manchild

normal people don't have to see moral ambiguity because they face it in real life

start living and go outside of your parent's basement

>>81824630
Quark: I want you to try something for me. Take a sip of this.
Elim Garak: What is it?
Quark: A human drink. It's called root beer.
Elim Garak: [unwilling] Uh, I don't know...
Quark: Come on, aren't you just a little bit curious?
[Garak sighs, takes a sip and gags]
Quark: What do you think?
Elim Garak: It's *vile*!
Quark: I know. It's so bubbly, and cloying, and *happy*.
Elim Garak: Just like the Federation.
Quark: But you know what's really frightening? If you drink enough of it, you begin to *like* it.
Elim Garak: It's insidious!
Quark: *Just* like the Federation.

>>81824685

Oh yeah, because TNG and VOY were so mature in comparison to DS9.

The only time I bought TNG was "First Contact", because it had real terror and rage. No one would be calm facing the fucking Borg.

>>81824751
t. edgy manchild that didn't actually watch the shows he talks shit about

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>>81823877
>Tuvix
Years ago I saw a guy posting on /b/ requesting porn of Tuvix for some ungodly reason.

I can't help but feel every person who makes reference to Tuvix is that same guy.

>>81824703

Another example of DS9's superior writing. In the same way it was willing to criticize the Federation, it was also willing to show us two different aliens talking about the Federation to one another.

I love this ambiguous exchange.

"You think they'll be able to save us?"
"I hope so."

>I'm Tuvix. I like myself. Please don't kill me

>>81823729
They abandoned the original premise, e.g. two disparate crews working together about three episodes in and resources shortages soon went away too. Thus they had an infinite number of shuttlecraft to expect instead of each being a precious commodity. This turned Voyager into a plotless mess with cast-off scripts from earlier shows and nothing to distinguish it. A cast of largely unlikable characters didn't help.

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Childhood is arguing Harry should have been promoted once in the 7 years

Adulthood is realizing he never deserved it

>tfw your entire crew dies but you survive and go into an alternate universe where you died and everyone is cool with it

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>>81823729

A lot.

But at least ONE thing went great with the show.

>>81825110
pic not related

>>81825020

The actor was frequently late to work, and was a pain-in-the-ass to work with.

This is why he got screwed over on the show regularly.

>>81825182

>Hating on the Doc

The light switch is the only redeeming thing about the show.

>>81825220
>liking the traitor that never gets punished

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>>81825182

You're an actual cuck

>>81824703
This reminds me of that asshole from college who thought he was so smart because he was a cynical whiny prick.

>>81825205
Kek can you blame him, could have been freed from the show if they just killed him off like the plan was.

Should have just pushed the envelope like Beltran.

>>81825309
>likes the doctor
>calls other cuck

go cry about photonic rights somewhere else, fag

I personally hated the pastel colors they went for with voyager. Everything looks fake and cheap.

>>81825435
Really? I always thought it was the comfiest ship, maybe just tipping out Enterprise-D.

Can see what you mean though, it was a bit of a plain look.

>>81825435
ah yes because DS9 plastic set, especially the defiant, truly are so much better

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>>81824821

>I can't help but feel every person who makes reference to Tuvix is that same guy.

He's still out there, searching for his mulatto whale.

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>>81823729
anyone got the gif of the dude on the left looking at another female alien and calling it a man

>>81825535
Defiant was a boring set, but I suppose you can forgive the design since it was meant to be a warship.

The Promenade set was fantastic tho.

>>81823729
They were dealt an interesting premise and ended up just creating another TNG (albeit without any of the emotional depth).

>>81825535
But at least it looked like a functioning ship and not a plastic tonka truck makeup. Voyager's pastel makes it look like the control panel would be those geometric shapes you insert into corresponding holes.

>>81825677
I like how Janeway after finding out her man has dumped her shit and moved on is upset for an entire episode and doesn't even try to hate-fuck Chakotay to get over it.

I swear Tom (sort of) and the Doctor are the only ones who actually develop in any way or have any developments that stretch over a number of episodes.

>>81823729
Still better then the current Jew-Jew-Verse

>>81823729
Janeway
Chakotay
Torres

>>81825782
The characters were explicitly designed not to have growth and be boring, all to make the aliens of the week interesting.

Classic jewery. Why have the need to be good when you can just compare it to something bad to make it look good?

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>>81823729
Not this based son of a bitch.

>>81826025
Young Ensign Kim. 42 years old and still not good enough to earn a promotion, despite only having accrued only one formal reprimand against himself during the entire show's run. That's that Young Ensign Kim for you.

>>81826342
Would you accept the "there always has to be an ensign" line? He didn't get promoted because he ran his mouth too much in an interview where he was a sexiest person alive token asian appointee. He ran his mouth about his handlers, then got surprised when he didn't get good character growth.

I know you want and need your fiction to reflect reality as best as possible, but come on anon, this is a jewish medium. Its rife with pettiness and usury.

1. The god-like tech Star Trek is known for neutered the peril the crew faced.

2. UPN was afraid of a "too dark" show.

3. Braga chased Ron Moore off the show (and many of the ideas Moore had turned into BSG)

Nightingale episode was pretty much an Ensign Kim wank piece.

>star trek with no political drama and a weaker cast

dropped

>>81823755
FPBP dubs confirm

>>81823729
My main problem with this show was the way the episodes often ended. They were very anticlimactic by Star Trek standards, with no real resolution.

The show itself was fine IMO, just those episode endings needed to be better.

>>81826645
tfw Tuvix got a resolution

what were some good things about the show?
>Year of hell
>...

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>>81825110
Computer, change the EMH actor's political stances from leftist to centrist with mild right leanings.

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>>81826744
>Computer, initiate program "Trump_Non-interventionist004"
>[FALIURE TO COMPLY, PROGRAM DOES NOT EXIST]

>>81825279

>Saves everyone's lives hundreds of times
>Traitor

>>81823729
It was bland and the writers were scared to develop the story too much because of asspie nerds getting butthurt about lore.
Literally the nerds ruin every franchise because of lore.

>>81826879
name 3 episodes where that happens
I can name more instances where he puts everyone in danger

>>81826879
>Does what it was programmed to do
Good
>exceeds its programming and directly harms lives
Bad

Its easy. let me guess, you think the doctor is an actual being and not a program.

>>81824685
>>81824800
You sure are mad.

>>81827032
>u mad?!??!?

not really, I am just discussing but whatever makes you feel superior

>>81826879
Photonic Defence Force out in force today

How did Janeway ever allow the ai equivalent of a medical tricorder to get so many perks and privileges, ridiculous.

>>81827071
No, you're not discussing, you're just crying that anyone who disagrees with you is "edgy" without backing up your statement.

And yes, I do feel very superior to you, thank you for noticing.

>>81825205
You always say this but you never post a source. I don't believe you.

>>81827154
you seem autistic
you shouldn't feel superior to anyone to be honest, especially considering how worked up you are getting over this non-issue

>>81827071
t. edgy manchild

>>81827301
>getting this triggered by the truth
>somehow I am the mad one

>>81827339
I'm not even the same anon. I just knew it would get to you, which it did.

Yeah you are the mad one m80. Get yourself sorted. You don't want to be an
>edgy manchild
forever do you?

/tek/ GENERAL BAY BAY!!!

WHO /sexualorgans/ HERE?!?!

>>81826867
Trump has done everything he's promised to do.
https://youtu.be/OES7kbWZ70Y?t=30

>>81827436
Nice try, but I wasn't that anon either

>>81824821
>for some ungodly reason.
Rule 34 was srs bsns.

>>81827457
And thus passed the age of Trek on /tv/. May it rest in peace and be remembered well in death.

>>81827197
You're the one who's getting worked up just because I casually pointed out how mad you are. It's very amusing, tbqhwy.

>>81827557
Whats really funny though is i post that very sadly. Trek threads from way back in 09/10 are what brought me to /tv/, the interesting and intelligent discussions were a welcome respite from the pits of /v/ and /b/ I used to browse. Really sad how cancerous these threads have become

>>81823729
>What went wrong?
Had a really interesting premise that could have made it really unique and interesting in the grander scope of the franchise that they pretty much sweep under the rug.
Its missed opportunities: the show.
Also behind the scenes shenanigans directly affected the show itself.

>>81827561
>you are mad because you answered to a post quoting you

lol ok

>>81827615
Maybe you are the problem, not everyone else.

>>81827665
You answered it in an angry way, just like you keep doing. Real talk, why you so mad breh?

>>81827615
What do you expect when people start thread only to shit on other series and accuse you of being "reddit" or other retarded stuff if you have a different opnion.
We still have nice thread but are usually VOY threads.

>>81827665
Its the manner in which you respond, not that you simply do.

>>81827667
Nah

>>81827615
When they got turned into generals with drama and faggotry it was the end.
I don't even go into threads with /trek/ or stupid barclay memes because its the same shit.

But what can you do but ignore it and try to post quality star trek posts. The opposite of this post.

>>81827702
>>81827735
>project your own feelings on someone posts
>yeah he is clearly mad

how I am supposed to argue against your delusions?

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>>81827746
I agree. Your adamant nature leads me to believe you're on the up and up.

>>81827799
Why don't you tell us why you're so mad, buddy? You get bullied at school today?

>>81827720
Seriesfags shitting on other seriesfags is a given in any trek discussion. That goes way back to the days of Picard vs Kirk. The real problem is how often these threads pop up, usually with some dank barclay meme or voyager bait. Just people looking to drum up old rehashed arguments and spout bullshit. Trek has been normie-ized.

>>81827799
I can feel your futile butthurt thru the monitor anon. The answer is you just don't respond. You move on. You've lost your composure, for all to see. You found 1 place online where people don't hate you only to find they do. It must be awfully emasculating and belittling. Just know you bring all your life's suffereing upon yourself.

Just move on (you won't).

>Its a the saddest samefag argues with himself episode
This episode sucks.

>>81827847
>>81827906
????
You both should seek help

>>81827954
Stay mad.

>>81827954
t. edgy manchild

>>81823729
If you aren't the doctor, seven of nine, or neelix, then you did not mean shit.

>>81827977
But I am not mad, stop assuming
>>81827994
>being calm and composed means being edgy
So how would you classify the behavior o the other guy?

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>>81824630
DS9 is lowest tier trek.
Fucking spiritual beings inside a wormhole with captain kangz as their messiah.
Boring shit, it is not even in the same league as Voyager.
DS9 is garbage-trek

>>81827995
They really needed to give timm russ more to do.

>>81828053
I love how easy it is to keep making you respond.

>>81828160
He was low-key the best member of the crew.

>>81828160
The Doctor is best Doctor.

>>81828233
yes, responding to other people is how discussions work

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Neelix episodes were the best episodes

>>81828491
It's a Neelix wants to die episode.

>>81828491
>the episode where him and Tuvoc got stuck on that planet that was in a pocket dimension or something where time passed faster

>>81828534
I like all the Enemy Mine ripoff Trek episodes. They were never quite as good as Enemy Mine was in its best moments, but they tried.

darmok came close.

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>>81828491
The greatest love story ever told

>>81828321
You're not discussing anything. You're just showing how mad you are.

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>>81828491
Neelix really deserves his own thread

>>81828304
Phlox is best doc. Sorry.
By the end of voyager his episodes turn into him literally screaming MUH RIGHTS into peoples faces.

>>81828973
Every time you guys say Neelix I read it as Netflix.

>>81828985
Didn't they do like 3 measure of a man episodes in voyager? It's like the writers didn't even watch their own show.

>>81828985
Correct. Phlox was a very complex and believable character.

Why doesn't Star Trek have any good women?

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>>81828491
Neelix should have his own Star Trek series where he is the captain of a starship which is both an orphanage and a cooking academy.
There wouldn't be a lot of conflict, it would be more of a Trek-sitcom and it would be comfy as fuck.

that fucking space indian native american.

>Seven never would have fucked him.

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>>81829267
Pardon ?

>>81829247
>that look

>>81829247
>anime-looking Star Trek art
How much of this is there?

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>>81828491
>care for a bowl of delicious Leola Root stew crewman?
This is now a Neelix thread

>>81829299
She was way too hot for him and a much better developed and deeper character. He was like cardboard.

>>81829435
he was way better than Quark as an alien character

>>81829435
>he's doing the meme finger
Could the Star Trek writers predict the future?

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>>81829247
>>81829435
Neelix's very own show would be pure Trek-kino

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>>81829068
>It's like the writers didn't even watch their own show.
They thought they had killed off a minor recurring character from the early seasons so they always brought him back for "time travel to a past season" episodes, but he never actually died until they figured this out and killed him late in the final season.

>>81829299
Acoochie moya!

Were all the other space shows of 90s and early 00s like Babylon 5, Firefly, Andromeda, Battlestar Galactica and Farscape inspired by the success of TNG or was it just a coincedence?

>>81829494
They both had A+ choice in klingon qt3.14s.
There should be a spin off where Quark and Neelix open a bar and grill.
It practically writes itself.

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Neelix helped me through some dark times in my life.
Don't know where I'd be without him

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VOY was a fuckload of missed or butchered opportunities and good ideas.
The worst show without a question but as other have said already - it was still comfy Trek - something we'll never ever see again.

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>>81828081
>>81828491
>>81828671
>>81828973
>>81829247
>>81829435
>>81829531
>>81829733
>based Neelix posting

>>81823729
>it's a Janeway suddenly cares about the prime directive now that it gets in the way of the crew returning home episode.

>>81829867
>Can't tell if neelixor a cenobite
4spooky8me

>>81824630
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jkinv1Ew3eI

ja DS9 is top tier. always voyager fanboys who whine the most. never ENT or TOS or TNG

Remember when Trip made that women kill herself

I liked Seven

Only good thing about Enterprise was all the sex and Vulcan tits

>>81831194
I remember when he got pregnant by reptilefu.

>>81831194
Details?

Also are you asking if we remember or demanding that we remember? I can't tell since you didn't punctuate your post.

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>akoocheemoya

>>81831324
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHMdRez-Tsw

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>>81823729

>>81831410
Did Trip go to his room and cut of a finger after this? Because that feels like the conclusion

>>81831391
Why Worf, Chakotay, Riker - all fucking big dudes, one is almost animal fucking warrior race represent, the other's hobby is boxing and the third is a tall sturdy bearded fuck starfleet officer - all of them are shitty fighters always getting their ass handed to them?

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>>81831291

>>81831562
Is DS9 Work does pretty good in that prison pit fight

>>81831562
because the plot needs to go on? the same reason why ship security in star fleet is a fucking joke

and both Worf and Riker won plenty of fights

>You'll never fuck t'pal from behind without a condom

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>>81831445

>>81831606
Worf in TNG and DS9 almost feels like two different characters.

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>>81831662

>>81831682
nice meme, Worf kicks a lot of Klingon asses in TNG too and other aliens too

>>81831645
>You'll never get her addicted to sex

>>81831724
Delete your post and try again.

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>>81831758
>mfw he kills Gowron in DS9

>>81831758
He sure passed the buck with that Borg though

>>81831758
>That time he just breaks Weyouns neck

>>81831814
borg were basically cyborgs stronger than Data

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>DS9

Post more funny Star Trek meme images.

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>>81831846
>stronger than Data

Data could 1v1 a borg drone.

>>81831846
Incorrect. Remember that time when Data easily kills one of Lore's drones and feels pretty good about it too?

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>>81831887
>>81831934

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The better question is what went wrong here?

>Voyager was considered a failure and cancelled
>But it still reached seven seasons/172 episodes

If only Firefly could have been a similar "failure."

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>>81832024
>>81832024

>some reasonably successful video games.
TIL Voyager had video games.

Are they good? Which do you recommend?

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>>81832053
>>81832059

Red Squad

>>81831932
he had the drop on him

still the point is that Borg were supposed to have super strength until ENT

that's why they don't just punch them in First Contact either

>>81831995
only a failure compared to tng, which in that case every show is a failure except tng.

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>>81832059
>>81832059
Both were pretty good. Elite Force 2 is considered the best one.
Also Bridge Commander was a good Trek game.

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>>81832127
The best Star Trek game Ive played is the Armada III mod for Sins of a Solar Empire. Its GOAT.

>>81832127
Pretty cool that they're FPSes. All these other Star Trek are strategy games with lots of reading and makes my brain hurt.

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>>81832105
>First Contact
>TNG movies
are you really gonna mention those?

>>81832274
well First Contact is canon and the literal reason why Archer had to deal with the Borg so it was relevant

>>81832274
First Contact is not just one of the best Star Trek movies, it is one of the best movies ever made.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs4wKRHmiR8

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>>81823729
Not actually keeping these interesting and likable characters on after their lower decks episode. Hypochodriac guy was boring but the dude who lives in voyager's basement and hated janeway because he could be at some prestigious science academy if not for her and the girl who knows she probably would have washed out of starfleet after her first year on a starship were awesome. She has a line that breaks my heart everytime. "I'm not a part of Voyager Captain, I just live there". Actually showed how much Janeway fucked up people's lives by trapping them in the delta quadrant.

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>>81832431
you call them interesting and likable characters?
how about this fucking dude right here?

>>81832431
>Voyager's basement
How does a ship have a basement?

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>>81832623
Its on a really low level deck where shit is super cramped and janeway has to ask for directions

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>>81829867

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>>81832623
I didn't mean literal basement just in case you thought that.

>>81832708
This is cp. Anybody who viewed this image is going to jail now.

I like both VOY and ENT. Some episodes fell flat, but that's true of every series.

I hate any episode that features Tom Paris though.

>>81832812
Even his name is dumb. Tom Paris. Fucking frenchies.

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>>81832812
>>81832868
How do you guys feel about Lt. Marseilles?

>>81827470
And i dont want more useless war

>>81826744
>centrist with mild right leanings.
>implying Trump is centrist
He's extreme right.

>>81833088
If you think he's extreme right then you have no clue what that means.

>>81831724
fucking christ, that's awful

>>81832431
>tfw these kinds of people probably existed on Picard's Enterprise as well
wouldnt you fucking hate working for a captian who'd constantly nearly get you killed, but you cant do shit since you arent the head of a department?

>>81833088
thats right goy, hes literally hitler

>>81833292
why even sign up on starfleet then?
it's not like it's military service and you are forced

>>81823729
Nothing. It is by far the best Trek show which isn't TOS

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ITS BEEN A LONG TIME

>>81834379
>start ENT
>redneck music starts playing

What were they thinking

>>81833292
They didn't, the Enterprise was the flagship of sstarfleet, only the best of the best got on and everyone knew what they were getting. If anyone's performance was under par and they didn't request a transfer themselves, they'd get shipped off by their CO anyway. Janeway can't do anything about Mortimer and Tal because they're stuck in the delta quadrant and they need every hand working they can get. If Tal was in the alpha quadrant she'd have resigned or been sent to a smaller ship, Mortimer would have done his 1 year required ship experience with little hassle and gone on to his research thing. Novbody with their level of incompetence or attitude would have made it onto the Enterprise in the first place, let alone serve more than a few months.

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>>81834379
>>81834410
If you just don't have faith of the heart you just don't.

is the 09
13
16
years films any good?

>>81834410
Redneck music before a Trek show sounds amazing. Enterprise's theme sounds like it was played by a shitty Rod Stewart cover band.

>>81834577
>09
Yes
>13
No
>16
Yes

>>81834582
Anything not rap is redneck music, excluding classical.

>>81834582
Fuck you, Enterprise's theme is the best one in the series.

>>81834610
I can't believe how watchable Beyond was

>>81834644
what about vaporwave?

Voyager > DS9

>>81834874
You = my nigger
Though apparently DS9 gets really good with the Dominion War shit, I just can't trudge my way to it.

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How can trek ships even compete?

>>81833088
>>implying Trump is centrist
A moderate democrat from the 90s.

>>81832924
Isn't that Tom Riker?

>>81833088
i'm not a trump supporter but you're retarded

>>81823729
Eh, a bit inconsistent here and there with its own established lore but pretty comfy overall. Doctor and Neelix were great characters, Janeway too.

>>81823729
The reset button.

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>>81834908
That sure is a great ship design, anon.

>>81835007
lol

>>81834962
>Neelix
I love Voyager, but let's not get ahead of ourselves

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>>81835007
It sure is

>>81835058
I'm confident that will never exist in canon

>>81835033
Out of all the cardboard cutouts, he was the one with actual depth and a real history that effected the show.

>>81835088
Too late

>>81834610
>>81834833
I wasn't expecting much after the mediocrity that was Into Darkness, but Beyond really was an actually enjoyable movie. Made me realize that J.J. Abrams was responsible for all the stupid shit in ID and getting rid of him was all they needed to do. Glad to see other people liked it too.

>>81835169
We'll see

>>81831194
You mean space tranny.

>>81824630
I am sorry to say you just don't get Star Trek.

>>81835402
I am sorry to say you just don't get Star Trek.

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>>81835058

>>81835442
Everything you wrote is thoughtful and I appreciate DS9 for being a great sci-fi drama, but it departs from the ideals of Star Trek.

> willingness to visit the dark corners that regular Starfleet couldn't handle off the bat.

The core of Star Trek is the notion that these dark corners don't exist anymore. It's about getting past that stage of humanity, and exploring what comes next.

>>81835606
I think he meant that they don't exist for humans, but that doesn't mean the rest of space is equally utopic.

>>81835606
Exactly, you don't get Star Trek.

You get TNG, I'll give you that, but in TOS there's a darkness inside us. Picard would tell you that he has evolved beyond the darkness, but Kirk would tell you that the darkness lurks within us all, and an essential part of life is our struggle to overcome it.

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>>81823729
>What went wrong?

Casting Capt. Mom Janeway instead of a hot chick.

>>81835717
>not wanting to have Janeway edge you then ballbust you with her fists in a femdom rage
What a faggot

>>81828708
you havent masturbated yet have you

>>81835684
Of it is an essential part of life, but it isn't the story of Star Trek. It's not what the series is about.

>>81835838
That's not what TNG is about.

It is what TOS is about. That's why half of Kirk wants to rape Rand. That's why Kirk wants to wage war against the Klingons, and gets indignant when the Organians stop him. That's why Kirk has a moment of indecision where he very nearly kills the Gorn. That's why Kirk becomes confrontational when he fears that he's being replaced. That's why Kirk struggles to forgive the people who killed his son.

DS9 is unlike TNG, but it's still Star Trek.

>>81835684
This is bait, Kirk went on and on about how "humans" went past their petty selves and evolved to their new phase.

There were episodes where he came off even as a preachy arrogant asshole, like when he told Sargon that "lol we got over our crisis in the past!" and other stuff.
Same was true for many other remarks made by other characters.

>>81836013
He was just telling Sargon that we survived the nuclear era, not that we eliminated all traces of darkness from humanity's spirit.

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>>81823729

>>81836086
No fucking shit, neither did Picard ever said that humans were saint.

Doesn't change the fact that humans in TOS were still acting as if they were morally superior and more enlightned than the previous ones and not like you are trying to paint them.

>>81836091
>killers
You mean, the two men that kept it alive for so long, desipte the studio being a major autist?

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>>81825435

I like the Intrepid class, it's my 2nd favorite Trek ship.

>>81836126
In TOS they act like they're better than the humans of the 20th century, but not perfect. They're still trying to better themselves.

In DS9, it's the same.

>>81836166
in DS9 they don't try at all to be better, if anything they go backwards

>>81836209
in ds9, they were not on enterprise. enterprise has the best of starfleet.
ds9 just had people wanting to work there for reasons. like bashir wanting to work on the fringe of space, but ultimately just to keep his self hidden.

the people on enterprise wanted to always show they were the best of the best.
ds9 just had people existing in time.

>>81836209
Remember that time when Sisko was racist against the Ferengi, and refused to let his son be friends with one? But then he realized the error of his ways, and he changed to encouraging their friendship? A good example of personal growth, struggling to overcome one's tendency towards xenophobia, humanity making progress.

Feel free to backpedal now.

>>81831604

lol

>>81836312
oh you mean a generic plot with mistrust toward aliens and people changing that you can find in any other star trek?

feel free to kill yourself now

>>81836344
>feel free to kill yourself now
you are behaving as if you just got BTFO and are scared of no longer feeling superior.

>>81836344
You said that they don't try at all to be better.

Now you acknowledge that you were wrong and they do try to be better, but it's not good enough for you because [reasons].

Nice backpedal.

>>81836368
I am behaving like someone that is tired of people acting as if they know stuff about Trek when they actually don't. Also I don't see why I should endure the arrogant behavior of those people while they are free to act like they want.

>>81836385
Except it's totally different because people praise DS9 for being different not for when it was like Star Trek should be which was rare and mostly confined on the "bad" seasons.

>>81836432
>I am behaving like someone that is tired
no doubt.

>>81823729
why are there so many trek threads lately?

and they're all maxing out

like 10 dedicated neets?

>>81836432
>I am behaving like someone that is tired of people acting as if they know stuff about Trek when they actually don't.
You just got BTFO on DS9 _and_ TOS. You are a perfect example of a person who knows less about Trek than you think.

>Also I don't see why I should endure the arrogant behavior of those people while they are free to act like they want.
You're describing yourself.

>Except it's totally different because people praise DS9 for being different not for when it was like Star Trek should be
People praise DS9 for being unlike TNG. If you think that being unlike TNG means being unlike Star Trek, then it's your own fault for not paying enough attention.

>which was rare and mostly confined on the "bad" seasons.
Hey, remember that time when Bashir and O'Brien decided that it was better to live a short life morally than a long life unethically? When they decided to place humanity's soul ahead of humanity's future? That was in one of the great seasons.

>>81836472
>>81836385
Also, I would like to add, that there are multiple TNG episodes were humanity is still shown as flawed and humans having to grow up but I am sure that will not stop you people from still claiming that TNG is not Trek and that the humans there were perfect automatons or whatever new meme you come up

>>81823729
Janeway sucks ass, also her voice is fucking terrible, absolutely terrible. Idk if anyone mentioned it yet. Wow.

>>81836551
Star Trek is the greatest television series of all time, so you're going to see a lot of talk about it.

>>81836564
>You just got BTFO on DS9 _and_ TOS. You are a perfect example of a person who knows less about Trek than you think.

Not at all, but I am sure your twisted view on reality shows otherwise

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>>81825205
>[citation doesn't exist]

>>81836584
Nobody here claimed that TNG is not Trek.

The only person making "___ is not Trek" claims is you. Quit projecting.

>>81836584
>or whatever new meme
it looks like 4chan is getting to you, friendo

>>81823729
just an underwhelming finale

>>81836632
how would you have wanted the finale? i like the original finale.

>>81836628
This is literally how the argument started with the guy claiming that TNG is not Star Trek so the guy "understood TNG but not Trek".
Don't try to blame me who didn't even start this argument

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>>81835738

No, that makes you the faggot.

If they had cast someone like say, Jeri Ryan as the captain, we’d all be ranting about how good Voyager was.

>>81828491
>that episode where he dies for roughly a day, gets revived and realizes theres no god or afterlife

why did they take his smile and optimism away

>>81836672
You misread the post. It isn't saying that TNG isn't Trek. It's saying that TNG isn't _all_ of Trek.

You are tired and you are fucking up. You are starting fights and accusing others of the mistakes that you made. Go to bed.

>>81825205
Fuck off. He was the only one actually interested in the franchise and grateful to be there, not his fault he was a bland human character.

>>81836730
>He was the only one actually interested in the franchise
you dont know anything about Tuvoks actor huh? i am real sure he was the more interested in the franchise. he is still crazy about it

>>81835798
Why are you so mad that you waited until you thought I was gone to try and get the last word?

>>81836781
im someone who came in way late in the topic. i stand by my statement

>>81836131
>alive for so long

They only lasted one and a half shows. Voyager and half of Enterprise.

>>81836650
Less borg fighting and more emotional impact in the culmination of their years long journey.

>>81836804
you liked the time traveling? or would you have liked them being old when they actually make it home?

>>81836650
Make the future terrible, so that Future Janeway has an actual reason to undo trillions of lives and not just for teh lulz.

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why did the Neelix posting stop you fucking heathens ?
Stop arguing about whether DS9 is better than Voyager or anything else (because obviously its fucking not, it's shit) and start posting your Neelixs' !!

>>81836841
she did it to save Tuvok
Kirk would have done the same for Spock and no one would have complained

>>81836872
I don't understand the appeal of pretending to like a child molester.

At least, I hope you're pretending...

>>81836624
Which Harry is this?

>>81836833
neither.

>>81836909
>Kirk would have done the same for Spock and no one would have complained
Everybody would have complained.

Kirk only sacrificed the people who volunteered to be sacrificed. On the bridge of the Enterprise, while still in spacedock, he tried to get his friends to leave him, so that nobody would suffer but Kirk and Kirk alone. They chose to stay.

Janeway sacrifices people without their consent. It doesn't matter if it's one person begging for their life, it doesn't matter if it's trillions of people living their lives, she fucks them all freely.

>>81836690
You sound like an actual child. I don't mean that as an insult, I mean that you sound like you have the sensibilities of a child playing with his dick for the first time and just saw a boob

>>81836927
Silver blood

>>81836690
>t. Transformers fan

>>81836798
Well, I don't masturbate (owning retards on the internet is masturbatory enough as it is), but I'm not sure how you derived that from my post.

>>81837036
>Well, I don't masturbate
;)

>>81836800
Rick Berman alone, has been involved since TNG.

>>81836962
the time police would have stopped her if she was doing something wrong

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>>81836969
>>81836987
> casting an old broad as the main star of your tv show

You sound like a bitter dried up old spinster librarian, much like Janeway.

>>81837072
"Ha."

>>81836781
>accuses other people of being mad
>is the one that stalked the thread in hope of a reply

>>81837101
>stalked the thread
Click the checkbox and be amazed.

>>81837120
>stalked

>>81837078
Fuck off with your bait, Kate was a great actress. This isn't a porno you Transformers low IQ sperg.

>>81837164
WATCH IT BAJOR!

>>81837101
So you're mad as hell, we know.

topic is now done. the only people posting in it are addicted to yous.

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>>81837205
YOU WATCH IT, GULLY.

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>>81837137
>Kate was a great actress.

I agree but she was still a terrible casting choice for the star of a Trek series and hobbled the show right out of the gate.

I was fine with a female captain but at least give me someone whose easy on the eyes, not my 6th grade math teacher.

It is teleVISION after all.

>>81837004

No children tonight, but the one who liked them?

You are dedicated to your "cause"

Not a whole lot, I thought it was a comfy show. I enjoy the format of just traveling through the Delta Quadrant fighting the alien of the week.

Also Tuvok is eternally based.

>>81837288
If you're horny, you can just go look at porn.

There's no reason to drag down the rest of the show in your pathetic quest to be shamelessly pandered to.

>>81837288
Christ just fuck off

>>81835169
Cbs keeps pushing it back and back
The original airdate was January
Of this year
Now we're looking at filming not even starting for several months.
And no set release date.

>>81837297
Was this English?

>>81837348
it was going to go, but then alt right became more popular and they knew a show with a muslim main character would do bad so they trashed it since the propaganda would not work.

>>81837354

Yes, in fact it was perfect English if you take add that period to the end of "cause".

Seriously, your pedophilia doesn't help these threads.

>>81837348
>Now we're looking at filming not even starting for several months.
Filming already started several months ago.

>/trek/ threads in charge of discussing Trek

>>81827615
>muh gold old days
This is 100% not true, there have always been idiots and there will continue to be until they close this board.

>>81834904
>good
It's not the war, its how they focus on side characters after the first 2 seasons
Garak, nog, and even dukat get huge development.
Basically, if you really want, you can skip prebeard sisko eps, just read a summary, and you'll enjoy it once he goes beard.

>>81837059
What the fuck is this supposed to mean?

>>81837387
but those threads were never about Trek
they are usually about DS9

>>81837381
>No children tonight, but the one who liked them?

This makes absolutely no sense. Try it again.

>>81837410
DS9 is Trek.

>>81837120
>literally putting it in the thread watcher so you don't miss any reply
how mad

>>81837381
>Seriously, your pedophilia doesn't help these threads.
Anon, nobody knows what the fuck you are talking about

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>it's a Captain Proton episode
top kino

>>81837437
This is a .png but I swear this picture just moved as I opened it up.

>>81837424
In context of all of your past posts, it makes perfect sense.

You are the one constantly posting the Voyager children, usually with snapshot fileneames.

They are useless posts with no substance and add nothing to the these threads. I get that it's /tv/ but at least at some fucking text to your posts.

>>81837376
A muslim mc will piss off their core audience
Not even sisko, who was literally concieved by the prophets, who basically lived in the past, present, and future, believed in any religion.
Did archer? I didn't get into ent

>>81826645
>My main problem with this show was the way the episodes often ended. They were very anticlimactic by Star Trek standards, with no real resolution.

>Ensign's Log, Stardate 3512.1
>The alien plot device got us 10,000 light years closer to home
>Then it stopped working for a minute so we vaporised it and had the EMH wipe the memories of everyone who touched it
>Under the Captain's orders, I will clear these EMH's data banks of these events then airlock myself

>>81837466
*strokes chin pensively* What did you mean by this?

>>81832059
The only good trek games are mods for non trek games. That said, stellaris

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>>81837437
>it's a Janeway plays Queen Arachnia episode

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>>81837589

>>81837521
archer was more concerned about time problems than religion problems

>>81837708
I got 99 problems but religion ain't one.

>>81837521
I like how everyone is sperging out that she is Muslim as that will have anything to do with the actual plot.

Does /pol/ think Star Trek is just gonna be about Jihads or something? I bet not a single character will mention it either. She is probably a sheik or something and just holds on to some traditional garbs and routine prayers she does in the privacy of her own quarters, like Chakotay. Here is prob how it will happen:
>we see her quarters
>she prays a bit
>friend maybe goes: "you Muslim?"
>she goes: "yeah"
The end.

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>>81837610
>Kate's overall "classic Hollywood" style delivery and mannerisms
Comfy as fuck.

>>81837803
>I hope you don't mind me asking, but Sunni or Shia?
>Both. Neither. It doesn't matter. Status report?
>Long-range sensors detect three Klingon ships approaching our position. They will be here in 4.7 hours.
>Understood. Keep me informed if the situation changes.
>Yes, sir.
Unleash the fury of the 4 chins!

>>81837803
The point is that it has always been part of Star Trek to ignore the subject of religion relating to humans as much as possible in-series, and out of series Gene was pretty explicit in stating that there is no religion on Earth in the future. What purpose does breaking the established tradition serve? I'm not the guy you're replying to and I don't care about /pol/ shit, it would be just as dumb to add an open Christfag character, but there's just no point in it.
Also Chakotay was spiritual but not religious.

>>81837979
So maybe we'll have a spiritual but not religious Muslim.

>>81837996
If she's a muslim that would imply she's a practising member of the islamic faith, it's different than being some vaguely spiritual akoochemoya shit

>>81837979
I just don't care as long as it is worked in with some logic, like how all you needed was that Chakotay was spiritual because his father was. That works. Plenty of spiritual races. Sheiks can be spiritual, it could have a decent setup and then ignored for 7 seasons because it doesn't matter too much.

>>81838025
In the 23rd century, things will be different.

>>81838025
You realize that there are different denominations of Muslim, right?

>>81837979
DS9 didn't follow the same formula and it's the best Trek has ever been so I don't see the problem in not following Gene's vision