13 reasons why

>>81744010
If you just watched it yesterday why are you asking us if it's good you spazz

Do women really kill themselves over shit like this? Or is the TV series a poor portrayal of mental illness and suicide? Or am I wrong for saying mental illness is the cause of suicide

>>81744072
its a meme where we're supposed to tell him if he should like something despite being more than capable of producing an opinion of his own

>>81744010
It was pretty good

>>81744097
women are retarded

>>81744072
welcome to /tv/ newfriend

>>81744097
holy shit i dont know man. they admitted shes a "drama queen" a few times in the show, though. i think its both.
but some parts were triggering as fuck, like the ACTUALLY cucking scene, and the
>skinny white outcast plans school shooting lol
thing

>>81744198

Only watched the last episode with my sister. It pissed me off how she was a roastie that had a network of support to help her. Yet the unstable "school shooter" kid had nobody. He was the real victim of the series.

Further, the cunt's male friend who tried to guilt trip the school councillor into believing it was his fault for her going through with the suicide. He was trying to help her, yet she wouldn't let him help.

Dunno, it really feels as though the series undermined suicide.

>>81744485
true. i also hated how he talked to the negroe, just because he didnt immediately go "OH YOU GOT RAPED LETS IMMEDIATELY GO TO COURT EVEN THOUGH YOU SAY NOTHING"

i really liked the gay manlet with the mustang. and i found the last episode really sad, i think the acting overall was good. desu, i think regarding acting its one of the best shows featuring such young actors.

>>81744485
>Yet the unstable "school shooter" kid had nobody. He was the real victim of the series
I'm glad it wasn't only me who felt this way
I felt bad for Clay, because that whore was manipulating him from beyond the grave through love. But Tyler was just a fucking wreck

>>81744809
tyler had it way worse. its terrible how they made it seem like hes an asshole.

also wtf was with alex?

>>81744935
>>81744485
Okay, let's be fair though. Tyler was a creep. He stalked a girl. Now, he was probably too big a pussy to ever do anything physical, but that's not cool.

The real victim is Jeff, and to some extent, Clay. Hannah deliberately set him up to be tape 11, so that only Bryce and Mr Porter would come after him. Everyone else would've already listened to the tapes before they got to Clay. Because Hannah knew Clay wouldn't pass the tapes to Bryce. She knew he couldn't sit on his ass and would do something. She also destroyed her parents by becoming an hero so fuck that girl, seriously. She made fucking idiotic choices, she was a coward, and she had a victim complex by the end. Also I can't feel much sympathy for anyone who kills themselves, because there's always another choice.

>>81745411
dude, tyler was a creep, but that dude had it way, way worse than hannah. and hannah... i couldnt deal with her

>well, you dont understand it, youre not a GIRL
>he said i have a good ass, brb killing myself

>>81744097
Obviously you've never struggled with mental illness or dealt with a close friend or relative with depression.

When you are depressed and apathetic - everything is difficult, insurmountable and draining. Small stuff really adds up and you begin to wander if things will ever get better. You can spend days obsessing and beating yourself up over a simple social interaction.

I thought the series communicated these things fairly well, but it was obviously lost on you

>>81745586
why havent you killed yourself then

anyone else wondered about the actual suicide scene? i wouldnt have thought netflix shows the suicide so explicit, especialy the along-the-arm cuts

>>81745732
I think the show was rated M or R from the beginning, so I was more surprised they didn't show any tits

was anyone else extremely triggered by the fat asian whore going all on about "OBJECTIFYING WOMEN" because someone wrote she has nice ankles?

>>81745887
When you see the parental advisory warning before the episode you know my nigga Bryce about to crush some ass

>>81744010
Can you not formulate your own opinion?

Im still depressed and in mourning of Hannah Baker. It's pretty sad. I can't blame a teenager for being so melodramatic, but she kinda brought most of that shit on herself. Bryce's gotta burn.

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>>81745586
>/tv/ autists
>able to relate to characters they can't directly self insert

>>81745996
I was triggered by her being a lying, back-stabbing, unloyal cunt and almost getting away with it

>work at McDonalds
>Hannah Baker comes in
>orders a double cheeseburger
>give her a normal cheeseburger
welcome to your tape

Is it true the show is romanticizing suicide? Is that even a bad thing?

>>81744097

Women kill themselves over getting raped, yes.

>>81746722
fucking lold irl

>>81746811
>13 reasons why
>names 1 reason

youre retarded faggot

>>81746722
kek

>>81746722
I've seen this meme a few times

>>81747294
A fellow veteran of the meme wars, what an honor
42nd Infantry, Bane Division, you?

>Was it good

Do you need people to tell you to have an opinion or something?

>>81747192

The rape is enough of a reason, but the others definitely made her isolated and depressed and contributed to her suicidal depression.

>>81746765
Is anyone going to answer this?

>>81747584
>>81746047
>>81744072
is this shithole really so filled up with newfaggots? srsly, fucking kys

It might be the worst show I have ever seen

>girl who kills herself is totally unlikable, constantly shitting on all of her friends
>she can't handle the bantz, but still throws it around
>gay girl is super closeted and afraid, despite the MAJORITY of on screen romances being gay
>girl just blames everyone for her killing herself
>the fuck can't listen to more than one side of a tape a week or some dumb shit like that
>everyone acting like it's some huge conspiracy
>even listening to the tapes in the first place

Fuck this premise, fuck this show

>>81747802
>killing yourself because of a pretty much violentless high school """""rape""""""

please faggot, theres way, way way way way worse things happening to people and they dont off themselfes. like, you know, actual backalley rapes with beat in faces and a torn rectum.

>>81744010
I think Bryce raping her ruins its mostly. Its 13 reasons why but the rape always is going to be the one people actually see as why she killed herself.

It did a good job of showing how the pieces fit together to a suicide not just being one big event then let it down with that.

Better would have been if she confronted Bryce to get the confession like Clay did to get the confession and he beat her up like he did to Clay telling her not to rat.

Also too much was done in ways that would never happen in real life. Also, the dialogue sometimes is completely cringe 40 years writing 16 years olds dialogue.

Parents did a good job overall and I'm glad they showed the suicide and the parents reaction. I think it was well done.

>>81746811
thats pretty good honestly
i wont have to worry about cumming inside

>>81748325
you gotta find an extremely labile bitch first, because a normal woman doesnt kill herself after being raped

>>81744010
I think it could have been good but was ruined by what I saw as feminist propaganda. It just put out all the things feminists say about rape that don't actually happen that often in reality - muh rich white jock rapist, muh insensitive counsellor who blamed me for getting raped, muh no one believed me so I was forced to kill myself and you're all to blame for it. Lots of it was very powerful (suicide scene was pretty raw and upsetting), but I found lots of it to be unrealistic and that put me off it. Also, thought there were too many competing storylines - school shooter one is clearly an attempt to make a second series relevant, and felt very forced and out of place.

>>81748603
fucking THIS. should have been raped by a nigger in an alley. and then left there to bleed out.

good thread to be honest, especially for /tv/

>>81748699
>>/pol/

>>81748787
>/reddit/

>>81744010
I got a bad aftertaste of the series. The story is literally based around a dumb girl who lives in perfect life conditions, gets a little bullied, kills herself and blames everyone else fot it. She literally ruined her own, her parents, the teens involved lives. Basically she spread her psychological trauma to the others. She also technically killed the photo creep.

I really couldn't empathise with her, maybe except the rape.

Also, why the fuck did they push the gay/lesbian agenda so much?

However, the show did have a few fair points and I liked it that they tried showing the lives and families of all the teens involved.

>>81748985
i agree with you absolutely. especially on the empathise and faggot part.

>episode 3
>dramatic music as two guys buy some alcohol
>they have to use fake id to buy beer
>they do some cringey peer pressure drinking contest
lmfao stupid Americans, I dropped the show at this point

>>81747926
>>81747933
>edgelords

>>81749494
Do you think anyone will bite?

>>81749543
>if you don't like this faggy YA schlock, you're just trying to be edgy

>>81749571
Okay I was kidding about dropping the show, but I had to pause it for a minute because I was cringing so hard.

>>81749543
>someone put his dick inside of me without even hurting me physically
>ge whizz better kill myself

kys faggot

>>81748985
This.

My gf is super into it at the mo so I've sat through like five hours of it.

>protecting your friend, the local rapist
>a picture of a guys ass is "blackmail"
>using tapes in the year 2017 and expecting teens to go out of their way to find devices to play them on
>its not stalking or weird when i come and stand outside various houses regularly
>fatal butterfly effect IF YOU EVEN GET DRUNK ONCE

Plus various others. Stupid and utterly unlikeable lead female. Feel bad for her parents and the main dude.

I think that people don't get that you're supposed to judge Hannah. She fucked everyone around her, and traumatised not only Clay, but her parents and most of the kids.

Tyler's role I think is to show how different people deal with similar situations. The guy got shat on throughout the series and no one cared, and a single event really contributed to starting everything off. He's supposed to show bullying from the male perspective, in contrast with hannah being the female one.

It made me realize what of a big loser I am

Use of
>Interwebz
>Shill
>Cuck

As if people talk like that in real life outside of among close friends bothered me

Say it with me, lads.

FUCK OFF, COURTNEY!

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>>81748603
>Rich white jocks don't rape people
>Authority figures don't blame the victim
>People not believing you got raped isn't extremely depressing

>>81748603
>seeing a show that has nothing to do with politics as propaganda just because it deals with an extremely isolated case

>>81750267
This. When Clay called her out for making everyone else's drama about her, he was completely correct. In fact, Hannah was the third worst of them all. Bryce, then Justin, then her. She let Jessica get raped and said nothing even afterwards. She said nothing when she knew what happened to Jeff. She made their trauma her own and then further traumatized the girl she should have stood up for and the boy she loved who didn't deserve it, and Tony too. She sucks and I think she was supposed to to a degree.

>>81750727
>As if people talk like that in real life outside of among close friends bothered me
Watch alt-right protesters on any given stream

>>81744169
A 22 year old shot 4 men and 2 women, and then killed himself, because he never had sex
And 4chan praised him as a hero

Clearly, you're an autist

>>81753097

If you think 4chan praised Elliot Rodgers as a hero you might actually be mentally disabled and should probably get checked.

>>81753012
To me it seemed very obvious we weren't supposed to see Hannah in a greatly positive light with all the shit she does and sees without telling anyone

Which overall I understand why she wouldn't being a teen, all that stuff happening would be traumatising like knowing you are partly a cause of the friend of a guy you love dying etc
Overall everyone in the show is an absolute cunt, which is true of any highschool kid

>>81748985
>perfect life conditions
>parents store is failing, probably won't go to college because of that
>ostracized at school despite being called a slut that everyone is after
>every positive connection formed is soon shattered and broken for no real reason
Basically she's on the verge of poverty and is afraid to reach out to literally anyone because everyone seems to have ruined her

And then she was raped

>>81753154
>If you think 4chan praised Elliot Rodgers as a hero you might actually be mentally disabled and should probably get checked.
Only the most popular pink boards
r9k, pol, b

Google 4chan, /pol/ comes up as the first result simply because it's the most popular
Obviously I don't mean smaller boards like /po/ or /cm/

>>81753194
Not Clay. But even she acknowledges that was all on her.

I think she owed Jessica so much more and it's fucking insane that she even made a tape for that girl that was anything but 10 minutes of apologizing profusely. She let Jessica down 10 times more than Jessica ever let her down and she never really acknowledges it.

>>81753232
>Only the most popular pink boards
>r9k, pol, b
t. wasn't on /tv/ until after star wars 7

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>>81753232

Okay, you are actually deficient in some way.

Do you understand the concepts of irony and sarcasm? Have you ever seen a joke? Nobody actually thinks a spoiled, disturbed loser who shoots people is a hero.

I'm getting a very strong impression that you weren't on any of those boards in 2014, or on 4chan at all for that matter.

>>81753232
Do you honestly think most of the people on those boards actually think he's a hero?

>>81746025
>my nigga Bryce about to crush some ass
lmfao

>>81746722
lmfao

>>81745732
It honestly made me uncomfortable

>>81746765
have you watched it? it literally shows how badly it affects all the lives around her, especially her parents. i'd be surprised if that scene where her parents find her didn't literally convince a bunch of people not to do it

>people saying Tyler needed help
>He could've just stopped being a creepy little shit
Nobody likes him because he was always up in everyone's business AND he was a fucking creep. Fuck that dude.

>>81744010
Alex looked like Justin Bieber

>>81746765
No because of the suicide their lives were all impacted and bad shit happened to them

>>81748985
Honestly it fits I. A way because she was a massive drama queen. I haven't finished the show but does it ever explain pills clay used take?

>>81749998
All of those make sense except the blackmail one. Of course they will find a way to play the tapes when they thought their was incriminating things about them on said tapes

>>81754424
I think it's implied they're antidepressants.

>>81753574
Marcus the nigger would have raped her too if they weren't in public together

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Life is Strange: The Show

>>81754970
Right down to the utterly unlikeable main characters.

Did they say how she managed to cut both of her wrists with one hand, I only saw that one scene

>>81754999
She uses both hands.

>>81755063
Did she miss all the tendons?

>>81755146
I wondered that too.

They at least tried to make it look more difficult the second time though.

>>81754088
He is also overly vindictive.
>girl I stalked doesn't want to hang out with me?
>Whelp, better punish her by spreading out those stalker pictures I took to to further ruin her reputation.
>I'm such a victim, lol

Why is half the cast gay in the show and outside the show? What agenda are they pushing here?

>>81755553
Why is half the cast straight in the show and outside the show? What agenda are they pushing here?

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>>81755553
redact this post immediately

>>81753097
More the message than the action. He only got two women so he is barely a hero

>>81755553
I think they went to make model organization.

>>81755859
So which ones aren't gay in real life besides the protagonist?

>>81755146
Down the tracks not across the road

>>81744010
it was really bad

teen drama shit directed by fucking Selena Gomez

>>81756315
Watch Riverdale for good teen drama lel

2nd season; that stalker kid in the next school shooting

screencap this.

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>>81744010
Is it just me or this one long drawn out 90's style PSA about something gay that only people born after the year 2000 would kill themselves over?

Seriously, does it get better? The first episode was really fucking good and felt like a tv show. The rest of this shit literally feels like a PSA about men being ebul.

>>81754970
The book came out before the video game genius

What were the jocks planning on doing to Clay to stop him listening to the tapes?

It's not like they didn't know Tony had another set and could easily make copies.

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Why the fuck is everything "triggering" to liberals? These fucks need way too many safe spaces.

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>>81753181
Jeff was elder bro tier and died

>>81756538
I found that as the show progressed, almost all the characters were shown to have way more dimensions.

Justin for example had a lot of fleshed out backstory.

cmon no image dumps of the main girl in this thread? christ

>>81757494
It had the warnings before the heavy episodes, and they still watched it.

They
STILL
watched
it

>>81756149
The other half that isn't gay; did you have problems with fractions in school or something?

I have to say, the rape scene where Hannah just goes limp and the subsequent wrist slitting scene were quite unsettling to watch. I'm not someone who typically has problems with these either.

>>81753547
>>81753438
>>81753299
You know you're in the wrong when your only argument is "nuh uh, you don't know"

go to any of those boards and start a thread
more people will praise his actions (maybe not his methods) than not

>>81757870
They aren't mad because someone committed suicide
They are mad because of how suicide was depicted

>>81757760
That's true

Jeff is who anyone should aspire to be friend wise

>>81758093
They're mad that it was about suicide. They're fucking idiots. They say to end the stigma but say at the same time that it promotes suicide. They're never happy.

>>81758093
I don't know, it feels like these people rushed through it and didn't take time to dissect the show.

Once I got to the episode about Zack, where he still had the note, it proved Hannah to be an unreliable narrator. I started to analyze the characters more after that, and came away looking at all sides of the argument.

There really doesn't seem to be a side in this show that is always right. There are shades of grey.

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I'm torn with this show. Some episodes were boring and some of those people didn't even deserve a tape. Other episodes (11, 12, 13) were amazing. The suicide scene, dance, rock climbing, and Clay on the cliff were kino.

Hannah could've been made into a much better character. A lot of decisions she made made it really hard to feel sympathy for her. I mostly liked Clay and their relationship though, maybe because I'm a lonely fucker.

The suicide scene was also surprising. I've seen cartel/isis beheadings, etc. but I was really taken aback at how graphic they made her suicide. I felt like a pussy because I had to force myself to watch it. Clay describing all this to the counselor and the scene of her parents finding her was absolute kino, and damn near redeemed all the shitty parts about this show.

Justin did nothing wrong.

>>81753232
>what is a meme

>>81758245
I think the point was that Hannah wasn't perfect, it would have made for a boring and self-righteous plot.

The thing I liked is most of the characters were multi-layered. They did terrible things, but they weren't necessarily terrible people. And it showed how everything added up little by little.

I think I really identified with Clay, I used to be very much like him in high school, and had a Hannah of my own that it never worked out with.

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>>81758245
>justin loses his girl and his home
>ends up in the streets
>the one person that could have been his friend raped his now ex-gf
>has nowhere to go now because of all of this

Justin had a hard life.

>>81758245
thats right, good goy

I haven't seen this show, can people clear something up for me?
Some people say the rape was very raw and traumatic and the main reason for suicide and others say that she was consenting/allowed it to happen. Also, don't quote me on this but apparently the rape was added because the original reasons were really stupid and didn't justify suicide.
Just asking for different opinions.

Why did Jeff had to die

That honestly hit a real sore spot for me since I had a friend who died in an accident like that

>>81758458
She was in the hot tub with a rapist, she tries to get out, he stops her, she slips, he rapes her. She's traumatized and doesn't move. That's literally it.

>>81758458
If you don't care about spoilers just watch for yourself.

https://vid.me/iTUH

>>81758458
>and others say that she was consenting/allowed it to happen
No it was very clear that she did not want it. She was struggling to get out of the hot tub but he pinned her down and she went limp as he did it. Then had a very sad walking home montage.

The guy also confesses to it on screen later.

>>81758518
Because he was one of the few decidedly good characters but also not important enough to the plot to not be disposable so he would be a prime target for killing off so it would just be tragic but not impede the plot in anyway.

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>>81758391
I agree that it would've made for a boring plot, I genuinely didn't think of that.
I suppose it was just harder for me to sympathize with Hannah than it was with Clay. (Probably because I'm a guy) I also always think back to things that she could've done differently and how shitty things wouldn't have happened to her had she done those things. But, if the others didn't do the shitty things to begin with, it wouldn't have been an issue.

You're so right about the characters. Clay, Justin, Jessica, and the Asian jock whose name escapes me are great characters IMO.

I identified with Clay a lot because I've always been somewhat awkward socially (Made massive improvements to that over the past year fortunately) and the idea of a pretty girl liking me brings a lot of feels.

>>81758412
I loved how they slowly revealed hot shitty his life was, poor fucker.

>>81758433
>hehehe this guy likes something i dont ill call him a subordinate to le jews thatll show them

you sure got me pal

>>81758458
Some of the early reasons were very trivial compared to the rape, yeah. They still made her life shitty and made her a target for the rape, in a way.

People who say that she consented are fucking edgelords/literally retarded. There's no way that trying to get out of the hot tub, struggling, and telling the guy to stop equal consent. After a while she just goes limp.

>>81758618
>>81758713
>>81758589
I just watched the clip, how on earth can people say that this was consenting??? People really exaggerated this scene saying that she just sat there.

>>81758458
But anon, it isn't about a sole reason. Hell, lots of rape victims don't kill themselves over it. When shit just keeps piling up, however, you reach a breaking point.

>>81758785
Implying she didn't deserve it by that point.

>>81758785
Because the internet is full of edgy idiots?

>>81758816
Yeah that's the thing. What "justifies" suicide differs a lot by person, and what mental illnesses they may or may not have. Some people go through literal hell on earth and never think to end their lives. Some people just get bullied the normal way and go for it.

In this case, shit kept piling on Hannah. And I get the impression that they weren't wrong about her being overly dramatic. Plus there's that little detail that the girls in her old school were also fuckfaces so she's been dealing with this stuff for long before she moved to that town.

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>>81758785
It's the internet, what do expect? The world is full of sick fucks and anonymity is a powerful tool. I bet the majority of these faggots wouldn't have the balls to actually do something like rape.

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I watched episode 1, but looking through this thread, holy shit is this a reddit cancer containment show? Extremely cringeworthy pseudo intellectual high school dialogue, overly stylized in your face cinematography (for retards who need that style so they know edgy shit is coming) mandatory party scene, parents just don't understand scene, and of course the cliche feminist cartoon characters (the beta white knight who can't save anyone and should be admired but also cucked, the dreamy jock that's hated but also crushes ass and maybe has a redemption/revelation arc, the cast of well-meaning but ignorant adults that fuck everything up which is a trope that is making a comeback now I guess after the old 90s teen dramas).

It's Paper Towns the movie right down to the unlikeable ugly main character that supposedly is a party girl and the beta friend who has to "solve the mystery of her omg le so fucked up xD life". Anyone who watches Selena fucking Gomez's brainchild and unironically enjoys this thinking it's such a "real" take on teen life is honestly and truly a fucking faggot and deserves to keep believing 16 consecutive years alive really is the apex of time on earth and if you haven't lived life to the fullest you should end it disregarding the fact that once away from parents you literally can do whatever you want.

>inb4 dude you're le mad, le edgy, le autistic, le

You're on this Korean Butter-Sculpting Newspaper Blog too so don't go pretending to be a normie.

Justin ended up surprisingly being the most layered and raw character. He's shat on a lot but what he did wasn't that much worse than what Hannah did: nothing. And he's actually given multiple reasons for keeping quiet that Hannah wasn't.

>>81758894
>>81758892
I wasn't sure about watching this show at first because 'edgelords' undermined everything but I will give it a go. Thanks anons

>>81758931
It gets better and the cliches fall away, but you have clearly made your mind up already.

>>81758931
Now that the Donald Trump is president and the alt-right is officially mainstream 4chan is feminist now.

>>81744010
Overall, 85% of the show is absolute shit. The last two episodes are fucking amazing. I didn't care for Hannah too much until she got raped by Bryce.

Coming from a person who's been on the verge of suicide several times and even got admitted to a mental hospital, I'm glad I wussed out of killing myself. After seeing that scene, I don't want to think of the idea of even killing myself ever again.

I still think the message comes across a bit... incorrectly. Interesting idea, poor execution that leaves a lasting impression on you after the last episode. A 6 out of 10 for me.

>>81758931
It should be about Tyler (camera guy), but people wouldn't give a shit about that. Instead, you get an 8/10 girl who would never have all 12-14 of these things happen to a single person.

>>81758960
A warning. Though he's overly enraged, some of what this anon says is correct. The dialogue and set ups can be pretty eyeroll-worthy. >>81758931

>>81758998
>alt-right
(You)

>>81759002
No it shouldn't. There's nothing interesting about Tyler. His trope is very recognizable and he's not sympathetic at all. You don't get to be a creepy shit who scares the fuck out of people and invades privacy because you think you should be able to when they don't talk to you then act the victim.

People didn't like and "bullied" him because he was a creepy asshole.

>>81759040
What honestly enrages me the most is how Hannah just completely missed Porter's whole point. If you don't fucking 'fess up, don't expect anything to happen at all. I get it. Rape sucks. But you have to do something about it or move on, don't be that retard.

>>81746025
FUCKING KEK

>>81759060
So it's better about an attractive female who would never face all of these issues? Fuck off, retard. Tyler is literally the character of many suicidal individuals, but nobody gives a shit about the weird creepy kid in school.

>>81744010
turned from enjoyable to cringeworthy in no time. Clay becomes a whiny white knight, Hannah over-exaggerates, and Tony is gay

>girl sees friend raped
>angry no one does anything about it
>goes to rapists houseparty instead
>gets "raped" but never says no or stop
>wont tell school counselor who rapist is but expects justice
>kills self because no justice

or she could've gone to the police after the first rape considering she was a key witness... but that doesn't sell as well as an angsty teen drama where she kills herself for attention

>>81758960
Like >>81758999 and >>81758931 said, the show is mostly a huge clusterfuck of cheesy dialog and self--righteousness, but it at least brings up suicide as something to be concerned about. It's just a shame how fucking badly written the book and movie are, in spite of having a solid concept.

>>81759141
Clay got sorta fucked over by Hannah too. Not sure why he got so upset over it.

>>81759176
>make Hannah a 4-5/10
>make her socially awkward
>have her have real mental issues

That right there would make this show 100x better, but instead we get tropes about attractive women getting raped and "bullied" by the cool kids, while simultaneous being one of them. Fuck this show.

>>81759253
ehh that really wouldnt fix all the bad writing and stupid shit she did.

the moral of the story is that teenagers are stupid as fuck and dont ever expect girls to harden the fuck up because they never learn

>>81759118
Nobody cares because he scares and hurts people and invades their privacy. He's a shit and gets what he deserves.

I'd rather have a show about Justin. He's the character with the most reason to commit suicide.

>>81759293
If they would have done what I said, she would have never actually been associated with the "cool kids" and would have had her small click in school and made fun of by the cool people because they're the outcasts in school.

>>81759293
>>81759320
I honestly wish the original ending was used. Hannah tried to overdosed, her parents found her on time, and had her stomach pumped. Afterwards (just adding my retard fanfic here) she should have been taken to a mental hospital and meet other people just like her who have been through a rough patch. Hopefully she will have learned her lesson and leave a stronger woman. That would have been a much more empowering story, but meh. Author's choice.

>>81759320
Which would MAKE people care, you fucking autist. The entire point of the show is to try and end the stigma of suicide, have it talked about more, look for signs of suicide, and to help those who are suicidal. Guess what? That's literally Tyler. He was a weird social outcast that would have been bullied as shit and would have been suicidal. Too bad this show doesn't actually care about people who would really be suicidal. But yes, continue your headcannon.

>>81759320
He's a retard high schooler like you were/are anon, he doesn't deserve the shit he gets. Just like everyone else in this series because they're fucking KIDS. They're supposed to be retarded and have poor judgment. High schoolers are children who happen to live in adult-sized bodies.

>>81759421
Wait she doesn't actually die in the books original ending?

>>81759501
correct. also all the characters were straight and white

>>81759501
Yeah. There's 3 different endings:

1) The one in the show where she bleeds to death.
2) The book ending where she ODs and dies.
3) The original ending the author thought wasn't good enough where she gets her stomach pumped and lives.

The third ending should've been the one he used, with her maybe making friends at a mental hospital. Fuck Jay Asher.

>>81758713
I DO like sjw jew propaganda faggot
thats why its so dangerous

>>81759564
there's much more impact with death. its not an actual life so why pussyfoot around hard issues and let a fictional character survive.

>>81759564
Man I would've like the third just to see her end up with clay because I love silly sappy love shit

But overall I do agree, the ending felt a little out of place in a sense to me, though I enjoyed the episode, and when Clay goes to Skye to talk just to see how she is since he suspects her of being suicidal

>>81759253

Possibly. I hear what some in this thread are saying, but the way it was shot and the fucking dialogue lead me to believe it was going to be shit before even getting into it. It's the way I am with all movies. If you're going to start diving into taboo themes like suicide (I watched 1 episode so I didn't even get to the actual rape) don't spoil it with tropes, cliches, conspiracy plot lines, and bad characters or you just ruin the message and people walk away saying "Wow, high school is crazy. I'm glad my football player boyfriend lets me consent before sticking it in my ass" instead of "Wow, people felt that way? Maybe people I know feel like those characters too but I never knew because we experience things differently."

Can anyone really give me a reason to watch more episodes? >>81758997
Almost made a point but decided to backpedal.

>>81759613
Mostly because I think it misses the point in a lot ways. I find it really hard to sympathize with Hannah besides the rape scene. Having been in a mental hospital myself and seen people going through legitimate HELL during their hospitalization, I'd say it lends itself better for a more interesting and powerful topic.

>Hannah was attracted to jocks as evidenced by her choice in men
>Hannah lied about Asian jock throwing away her note
>Hannah lied about witnessing the redbone chick getting raped by Bryce while hiding in the closet
>Hannah later sought out Bryce at his party
>Hannah admits to black teacher that she never resisted Bryce when he nailed her in his hot tub
>Throughout Bryce's friends all vouch for him as a good guy
>We see it when he breaks up a fight and protects the photo-stalker-kid from getting beat
>Bryce never admits rape to Clay, is coerced by loaded questions to say 'easy girls are easy'

the real secret is that Bryce was innocent and Hannah set him up after killing herself because the alpha-male love interest didn't consider her more than a side-piece

>>81759657

>>81758997 was me. If you want to give it a go I can go into more detail.

I was a little disappointed about the standard tropes the show started with. The reserved MC, the badboy jock that tricks the helpless girl etc etc.

The characters become much more than that as the show progresses. Justin (the badboy jock) gets some really interesting backstory and character development for example.

Without spoiling too much, we learn the narrator is unreliable. It makes for an interesting scenario where there's no "right" side. You need to decide that for yourself.

>>81759657
I didn't watch past episode 1, but I read all the spoilers and the *major scenes*, but my thing is that these 12-14 would never happen to the same individual, especially in high school. If all of these things happened to one person, I feel that they should kill themselves, because of how terrible their life was and literally getting no breaks in life. It's a good concept making suicide more talked about, but the storyline and dialogue unrealistic as shit.

>>81759657
The actual suicide scene fucked me up. So... Yeah. Last three episodes are the only good ones.

>>81759613

Sorry, but you're clearly a child. Death is scary, abstract, unknown, and final, but it's not the worst. Torture is worse and it comes in many forms. Dying at the end means it's all over for her. No need to worry about her consequences or living through her problems. However, if she just barely made it out alive, she'd be forced to make things better, unless they were FUBAR and yes, then it would be worse than death and more impactful.

>>81759797
Exactly. You're dead. You have nothing to worry about. You're a corpse now. And not only that, a teenaged one. Some parents had to bury their own daughter who didn't even take the PSAT yet. That's fucked up.

When you're alive and see that death is scary? That's it's not a game? That once you're gone, you're gone? That's when you get real fucked up. I would've preferred seeing her go to a hospital after getting her stomach pumped. Meet new people who have been through similar situations. Have her mature and grow. And hey... Maybe hook up with Clay if he didn't decide to go with Skye yet.

>>81759797
im old enough to be your daddy kiddo. teenage suicide is commonly perceived to be among the harshest of tragedies. youre missing the point entirely the tragedy of suicide is not for the victim it is infinite sadness it presses on to everyone surrounding them. my cousin committed suicide and ruined several of my aunts lives.

>>81759898
Another thing is, most people who are suicidal don't want to die, but the pain of living is too great so it would be easier to never feel that pain again. It's not about dying, it's about ending your misery. Suicidal people are still afraid of dying. And we didn't get that in this show either. Could have had an amazing scene after the suicide saying that she's terrified of dying and leaving those she loves, but the pain of living has become too great too bare.

>>81759929
What >>81759797 means is that the person who committed suicide doesn't have to worry about a single thing. The act is done. There's nothing to regret about because you're dead. He's not saying the person's relatives won't suffer because oh fuck you bet they do. Really sorry about your cousin, by the way. It really sucks.

>yfw this thread and /r9k/ could make a much better story than this show

>>81759984
Hm, I think she did. I don't wanna rewatch that scene again because it frankly sucked watching it the first time, but at least you can see it in her eyes that the pain she's feeling is very real; some regret, actually. But yeah. I wish it were more evident, as well as her saying, "shit, what'll Helmet think of me" and blah blah blah.

>>81760070
That's only the audience. The person listening to the tape doesn't get that. She can still talk about the pain she feels inside that she knows her decision is selfish but the pain is too great to deal with any long and she just wants it to end.

>>81759751

Thanks anon. As >>81759007 mentioned, yea I'm overly mad, but the show immediately dives into some serious material that I DO take personally and just clumsily slams through it like it was just a cash grab bargain bin DVD.

The thing is though, does the dialogue get better? Characters HAVE to develop on a show like this and I could have filled in a cookie cutter background for all of them, but it does seem like everyone who semi praises the show uses head canon and inserts themes like, "even though the girl is clearly wrong, it's the MC that has the most troubling life even though he's barely talked about minus a few flashbacks of him getting cucked"

[/spoiler] feel free to spoil whatever you wanted to for me. I'm probably not going to watch it, but if you can't even be assed to type out whatever is its main draw then that makes me feel like o was more right about not watching it than I thought.

>>81744097
Both. The show makes it seem like if you kill yourself you were in the right and everyone will see you as a majectic angel they didnt deserve

>>81760144
Ah, I see. Like her recording about it. Yeah. That should've been done. Honestly the way Hannah did everything was horrible. No note to her parents, Clay, Tony... Nothing. I wish that were a part of the tape now, honestly.

>>81760197
As somebody who contemplated suicide in my teens, this show pisses me off to no end.

I want to write a real suicide book because of this, but I know nobody would ever read it.

>>81760173
I would say 30% of the dialogue comes off comes off as a bit try hard- as in things highschoolers would never say.

I felt most of it was rooted in reality. The situations presented felt real (most of them) and I was able to relate to and empathize with most of the characters as the show went on.

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what THE FUCK is wrong with americans? For godsakes, just WHAT THE FUCK

is it a bloody nation of sociopaths and cunts?

it's insane, fuck yankees

>>81760173
Yes, it gets better. The first time I watched it I stopped within 5 minutes because of the cliches. Then I decided to give it another try and after the first episode it starts to pick up, has a small lull in the middle then ends in a great way.

Certain characters (Justin and Jessica especially) undergo massive development. Justin went from a Chad Thundercock type I fucking hated to one of the easiest characters to have sympathy for.

>>81744594
yeah, chicky, as a school counselor I can guarantee that you can point the rapefinger at someone and he'll instantly vanish into a prison never again to see the light of day.

... I'm an oldfag, so I ask in all seriousness, are teenage girls that retarded now? Because when I was young, they still understood basic things like "courts" and "trials."

>>81760173
If you really hate high school dramas or high school in general, you won't like it. High school kids are the worst. They're drooling retards. So yeah. If you hate the things typical high schoolers do, then you definitely won't like this show at all. I know I didn't. Still think you should watch it because it made suicide a watercooler topic. It's a super important issue people gloss over, so it's kinda nice to know at least something about it.

>>81745732
Not as good as the wrist-slitting in The Rules of Attraction.

Got one thing wrong ... second wrist is always shallow cuts. You can no longer hold the razor blade in the hand you just cut very well, so it's shaky and your grip is weak, especially if you've slashed the tendons up.

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>>81760551
Sheltered generation, family. Instead of being more educated in spite of having more information at our reach, fucking smart phones have made our kids stupid.

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>>81760342

Here's a you buddy. I was there too and feel the same way about this show. My life became fucking dank right after that time in HS though and is still really great. Hopefully someone like us does make something that impacts people with a realistic take on this mindset, unlike this show which made me want to kill myself and send tapes to the producers.

>>81758458
She sees this guy rape a girl, while she stays silent and does nothing as rape-o-rama happens.

Later, she makes the brilliant decision to hottub with the guy she saw raping her friend.

Guess what happens.

I want to know, if I wrote a short story would anybody here read it? I want to actually write about some of my own experiences and put into a book instead of having a cliche story- something real- something most of us on 4chan have probably experienced. If not a single person would read, I don't want to go through the effort.

>>81760731
Legit would make a super lengthy post on Medium or something, man. Piece of shit show.

>>81760572

I do, but the thing is high schoolers aren't "all" drooling retards. Just most of them. I went to your "typical" high school full of these cliches but they're nothing like they are in these shows. Worse than that, the scummy vibe they try to make a point of is always a thin veil as it subtly glamorizes the drinking and the sex in a way that is supposed to have no correlation with the rape and depression. If you're done watching these shows and feel dizzy and nauseous, it's because the shots and music flip constantly so you don't see how they lead to each other.

>>81760731
During the day it wasn't TOO bad, but going to sleep it fucking hit like a ton of bricks- this feeling of loneliness that nobody actually cared about me, best ways to end my life without feeling pain. Damn, now I'm remembering that dark time.

>>81760783

I've wanted to, but it's hard not falling victim to teen tropes. I've written a bit about my experiences before and cringed at what I saw on paper. One day I hope to really make something good.

Anyway my point is, maybe I'd read it but try to avoid what I mentioned otherwise you'll end up sounding like a supreme gentleman.

>>81760952
I'm sure there would be some because those do happen, but this would delve into the life story of this person and how the depression began to become too great. I'll probably start it one of these days and try to get opinions on here and other boards.

>>81760913

Fuck off mate are you me? Many a night spent writhing in my bed holding a pillow tight because I was so lonely. We made it though reddit!

>>81760783
>>81760952
I did something like this to give to my doctor because of mental reasons I can't talk. Got lots of drugs.

>>81760892
Oh dude, same. My high school was relatively small. There were no jocks per se, but we were separated by tribes just the same. I don't think the show is the best representation of suicide or rape. I was a suicidal person myself a few months ago, so I know a thing or two. That combined with the fact I'm college student just makes me cringe beyond belief while seeing this. Either way I'm glad suicide is now a "hot" topic now. I just hope people take it the way they shouldn't and not something "cool" or anything retardedly edgy or something.

>>81761006
This is shit that actually happens to people. When you're all alone with your thoughts trying to sleep, everything that you burrow away comes up and you realize how alone you feel. Just wanting to be loved, to be happy.

>>81744010
Why is everyone in this fucking show gay?

>>81755859
Heterosexuality is by far more probably in any human species

It's like half the cast being dwarfs or having autism

>be me
>sitting on the bus to go home
>listening to the latest Joe Rogan podcast on my headphones
>have the volume on 90%
>Hannah Baker decides to sit next to me
>she asks me to turn the volume down because she can hear Joe talk about bald apes
>I turn it down 5%
>Hannah gives me one look, then turns away

Welcome to your tape

>>81761215

Because it's unrelatable trash. It's a feminist agenda with a fresh suicide packaging. Same old crusty rape sob story though.

>>81744010
if you finished it you should know if its good

>>81758931
>admits he hasn't seen the show
>immediately proceeds to shitpost a wall of text about the show

lmao do your parents even love you?

Good thing I dodged this turd and didn't waste 12 more hours more than I should have. You only needed one episode to tell that Hannah was absolutely insufferable. As much as the show wanted me to, I frankly couldn't care that she died. The gimmick on which this whole thing rotates around is ridiculous too. How does someone put that much effort into a cat and mouse game surrounding her death but not put the effort into fixing her life. Also, you could tell it was going to be one of "those" shows when Hannah has a piss-poor upskirt pic taken at a playground slide where nothing really visible and it's able to be spread like wildfire and ruin her reputation in one day. Either Hannah is full of shit and that picture was more explicit than Clay's white knight memory recalls or this high school's moral compass swings between Puritan colony and Sodom and Gomorrah rather quickly.

>>81757494
To be fair, certain parts of the series hit a bit close to home for me. To the extent that I had to stop watching at one point.

That being said, it was my own fault. I knew that going into a show about depression and suicide might drag up some shit for me.

Went up to episode 3 and dropped it. It's cliché and the kys girl is an unlikeable, vindictive meme spouting feminist buzzwords.
Like gosh I actually work in mental helath services and this shit runs contrary to the suicide prevention stuff we learn.
"Lel look guys I killed myself but let's play a game. PS it's all your fault"

>>81759253
>"bullied" by the cool kids, while simultaneous being one of them
This happens all the fucking time in real life.
Plenty of people I went to high school with who were "cool" were miserable at the time. Most of the ones I've spoken to in the years since say they ditched the cool kids as soon as school was over because they couldn't handle being around them any more.
Being cool is such a commodity to high schoolers, and America's culture really promotes this to young people. People will put up with a lot of shit if they think it'll keep them popular.

>>81762029
Im so glad you didn't watch the show but still decided to shit up this thread with your inane opinion

This show has turned my friend into a big pansy.

Every time we talk he brings up this show and talks about how he relates to it and how its an "accurate portrayal of mental illness and suicide". Goddamn it shits me. Yesterday he told me he's started reading Huffington Post, after they wrote an article on this...

>>81762462
>trust me it picks up 8 episodes down once you go through the meme-worthy drivel
I think I will go through it just for laughs but it's wildly inaccurate and if anything makes you glad the chick necked herself.
Why won't you tell me about your triggers?

>200 posts about YA trash for 12 year-old girls
lol
netflix is really brainwashing you cucks

>>81745586
>90's born moron detected.

The book/show isn't saying she was right about all the people she blamed. It's pretty obvious that a lot of the people she blames for her death really don't deserve it.

She's mentally unwell, which she pretty bluntly admits to throughout her tapes. She's emotionally volatile and prone to toxic behaviors which aim to minimize external real or perceived rejections. She's a prime candidate for BPD.

The point isn't that she's right, or not a complete cunt. But that you need to be kind to everyone because you don't know if the person you wrong is as unwell and vulnerable as she was. You never know if the person you attack simply is unable to properly handle it.


This show is just going to insult you beyond belief.
It's not sublte, it's not well written and it doesn't handle the "depression/suicide" aspect with any nuance, depth or care.

The acting's fine, the pacing's shit.

>>81757494
They're kind right. The show made it seems like killing yourself will make all your bullies or people around you feel bad and learn what they did wrong but it's not like that at all.

>>81757494
>If I see something on screen I might do it in real life.

Honestly, if you decide to kill yourself because you saw it on TV, you probably didn't have it in you to get through the rest of life.

>>81763048
If you really wanted that wouldn't you just shoot them instead?

Did anyone notice how this whole thing started over Alex saying she has a nice ass? If he never days that/makes the list and she/jessica dont over react the show is over...

>>81763408
Do you believe in the butterfly effect, Anon? Well you should. Because this? Is your tape.

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>>81763502
>all of 4chan gets tapes because we probably contributed to many people's suicides over the years

>>81763372
Killing them makes you the villain. Killing yourself makes them the villains

>>81762593
Do you have a lot of unresolved anger-issues?

>>81760187
tfw have to tell myself this isn't the case

Entertainment romanticizes the hell out of suicide

>>81763676
I do have a temper.

>>81763408
Yeah, he realised that too.
That's why he shot himself.

>>81754996
LiS had likable MCs tho

>>81755553
there aren't as many gay characters as you actually think

> courtney
> tony
> ryan

out of the main cast, that's it. There's three, maybe four others. In a cast of about 20/25. Fuck off.