Would it actually play out like this?

Star Destroyers have shields.

Yes. Star Wars has no defense against teleporter technology and Star Trek ships are faster. The only edge Star Wars has in speed is that their Galaxy has mapped out Hyper Space routes, in a fight in the Star Trek galaxy or even a neutral third party galaxy, no such Hyper Space maps would exist and so Star Wars ships would largely just be dead in the water.

Star wars lasers are actually plasma I believe, and star destroyers do in fact have shields.

>>81742533
this is just sad

>>81742518
shields that can't stop a single asteroid meanwhile Star Trek ships can withstand the big bang and being bombarded by entire galaxies shot at the speed of light

>>81742476
>star trek is better because it's more realistic

Mcfucking kys

star trek shields are basically immune against regular projectiles, explosives and nuclear weapons right?

>>81742518
>>81742518
>>81742565

This is massive nerd shit, but absolutely nothing in expanded universe tells us how SW shields work and whether or not a trek teleporter would find an issue with a star wars shield. There were threads thousands of pages deep in the old days of the internet discussing this and all it gave us was more trek vs wars circlejerking. The only winning move is not to play.

>>81742634
Star Trek is better, but not because of realism, obviously

>>81742634
Who says it's more realistic? Star Trek has had people with Jedi powers since the original series. Look up Lieutenant Commander Gary Mitchell.

>>81742754
>jedi powers

More like god powers. Mitchell is small fry to cosmic monstrosities that come after

>>81742476

No.

It would transpire that the Enterprise had picked up some kind of inter-dimensional stow away that decided to take a runny 5th dimensional space shit in the warp core and the crew would spend a few hours desperately running around trying to maintain life support systems all the while Picard hashes out some flimsy truce with the Empire after refusing to surrender in the face of insurmountable odds and then Wesley fucking Crusher would just MacGyver up a physics redefining work around to reinstate full warp and power capabilities and THEN they'd teleport Picard onto the bridge of the Star Destroyer where he'd wax philosophical about the nobility of human endeavour but ultimately teleport back and the two ships would go their separate ways setting up about 20 further encounters in following episodes.

>>81742476
Laser is an acronym, you can't put a Z in it, you Ameritard.

>>81742708
Star Trek treats it okay in that the yield against the shield is important. Deflecting a 10 kW laser and a 10 GW one isn't the same.

>>81742618
>Star Trek ships can withstand the big bang and being bombarded by entire galaxies shot at the speed of light
That's not Star Trek I remember.

>>81742977
it was the Voyager episode where Q brings back the ship to the big bang and they stay there a couple of minute

the shields were failing under the pressure but considering they were even able to last a couple of minutes is impressive or stupid

>>81743020
>voyager
Not canon.

>>81742977
Voy: Death Wish

Star Trek shields can also allow them to travel inside a star's corona (Tng Suspicions and Descent Part 2)

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>>81742476
Depends, do we count the ewok movies as canon?

>>81742835
Its fucking sad but this is exactly what would happen.
Except Vader would force choke Picard for talking too much.

>>81743129
voyager isnt canon

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/

>Light guns: 300 million GW (6 megatons per shot, 24 guns, assume 1 shot every 2 seconds for time-averaged power output rather than peak output)
>Main phasers: 3.6 GW (5.1 MW per emitter, 200 emitters in the main phaser array, 2 full-sized saucer arrays and 3 smaller roughly half-size arrays on the stardrive section, p.123). Note that phasers appear to have a chain-reaction effect so their raw power output may be deceptively low.

Star Trek is so underpowered against SW its painful. A fucking troop transport has a range of 250,000 light years compared to 2750 light

>>81743168
Did anyone actually like these movies?
I did

>>81742476
No because that doesn't fit with Picard's character at all. Whoever made that never saw an episode of TNG.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/FiveMinutes.html
>In a straight-up fight, the Empire squashes the Federation like a bug. Even with its numerical advantage removed, the Empire would still squash the Federation like a bug. Accept it.

>>81743229
that's movie Picard, he would totally do that

>>81742835
Kek. This man knows his Trek

>>81742476
Don't most combat ships in star wars have shields? They did in the few games I played.

>>81743210
>>81743253
>stardestroyer.net

lmao, totally unbiased

>>81742849
It's like scuba in that it's just become a word at this point

>>81743304
>biased
why did he mean by this?

>>81742476
>Ships meet
>Enterprise is destroyed by Jack the Ripper after someone disables the safety protocols on the holodeck

>voyager isn't canon

is it not because you don't like it or did one of the movies, series actually make it not canon?

>>81743317
This attitude is why we have Trump and Brexit, mate.

>>81743253
>Empire tries to get to Earth
>no Hyperspace charts
>jumps to Hyperspace anyhow and goes through a super nova wiping out their entire fleet
>reset
>just goes at maximum speed of 975 kilometers per hour
>hope that in several hundred generations their descendants will remember what they were going to Earth for
>meanwhile Federation just blows past entire Imperial fleet in Warp Speed teleporting photon torpedoes onto their bridges, wiping them all out

GG NO RE

>>81743304
>figures from both Trek and Wars canon sources
>biased
You're retarded.

>implying Vader wouldn't force choke Picard over the Interface screen upon first contact.

>>81743265
movie picard would demand that he himself get beamed over and go full First Contact on them

>>81743430
> teleporting photon torpedoes onto their bridges, wiping them all out
They can't do that without taking down Ray and deflector shields dumbass

>>81743168
>>81743219
As a child I did enjoy them.

>>81743317
Or tupperware

>>81743449
>Star Wars canon source

bait, nothing is from canon there

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>>81743415
>inviting triggered drumpftins to give you (You)s

>>81743449
>pits them in a scenario where it only benefits Star Wars technology
>"hey guys star wars wins!"

Yes, biased.

Has anyone mentioned that the Empire as a general principle or tactic deploy fighters in battles. I'm not sure it gives them a huge advantage but it would be good for splitting the focus of enemy fire and maybe targeting crucial areas of a Starfleet vessel.

>Empire Strikes back
>star destroyer standing still gets hit by one small asteroid and is damaged

>ROTJ
>Rogue One
>shield generator is destroyed before the shields are down

>Rogue One
>shield generator is destroyed by just a bunch of x-wing shooting

SW shield are a joke, your non-canon legends garbage means nothing.

Have you some pasta you Trek faggots

>star wars
cross the galaxy in a matter of days, to a matter of hours depending on route
>federation
cross the galaxy in 70 years with the fastest vessel

>star wars
swat asteroids out of the sky, blow up entire planets with destructive firepower alone (no technobabble shenanigans like red matter)
>federation
enterprise D spends an entire episode looking for a way to move an asteroid out of its dangerous course

>star wars
construct a 900km death star in a couple years, imperial fleet consists of thousands of star destroyers and hundreds of thousands of smaller vessels
>federation
federation has maybe a couple hundred capital ships until the dominion war demands they be able to manufacture mass quantities for bad CGI battles

>star wars
empire consists of millions of planets covering like half the galaxy
>federation
consists of like 300 member planets

>star wars
civilization has been spacefaring for over a thousand generations
>federation
has been spacefaring for 300 years


it's not even a comparison


also turbolasers are not lasers
>move massively slower than light
>visible outside their direction of travel
>create appreciable recoil when fired, also strike targets with appreciable momentum
>cause damage explosively, not thermally

referring to weapons, turbo'laser' is essentially a slang term like 'lightspeed' isn't actually the speed of light

>>81743480
Except that there were numerous times that they managed to teleport through deflector shields in Star Trek. And that's when deflector shields are specifically set up with fluctuating resonances to specifically stop teleporters. What do you think the difficulty will be with Star Wars ships to bypass when they've literally never heard of or conceived of teleporter technology?

Again, GG NO RE. Star Wars BTFO now and forever.

>>81743631
top kek, star trek ships have targeting systems that actually work

those fighters would be shot down instantly

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how about we even the odds?

>>81743650
>i didn't read the thread
Why do you retards keep debating in a Wars/Trek thread when you don't know the difference between Warp and Hyperspace?

>>81743210
>http://www.stardestroyer.net

Those stats always read to me like they're the product of a ten-year-old concocting the biggest numbers they can think of just so the ship can be the BIGGEST AND BADDEST AND COOLEST EVER YOU GUYS. They can therefore be disregarded as complete nonsense.

>>81743666
>forgetting ray, thermal and particle shields
You're still retarded.

>Federation
survived the Borg
survived the dominion
survived other invasions

>Empire
>couldn't defeat a bunch of rebels that only had 4 ships on par of a star destroyer

>>81743717
>cant refute hard numbers and facts
>DISCARDED!
How childish can you be?

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>>81743650
>900km death star

>>81743780

> hard numbers and facts
> stardestroyer.net

Okaaaay

>>81743780
>all of them are from non-canon legends sources

>>81743737
Ray and Thermal shields are deflector shields, retard. And Particle shields block physical debris. Why are you even debating when you don't know the terms you're using?

>Star Wars takes place more than a millenia after the current year
>Star Trek takes place like 300 years from now

hmmm

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could either of them beat the Culture?

>>81743253
No but seriously, what are they going to do about torpedos being beamed onto their bridges or into their reactor cores? We all know Empire reactors are a bit...sensitive.

Star Trek has invisibility tech too. How are they going to fight something they can't see, as warheads start materialising out of thing air inside their ships?

>>81743894
Star Wars fags can't answer this. They can only conceive of a fight in open space with all the Federation ships waiting to be fired upon by the entire Empire. If you introduce actual tactics and technology to the discussion it'll be ignored.

>>81743938
they also ignore how laughable Star Wars shields are while going all autistic about T-THEY ARE NOT LASERS! THEY ARE MORE POWERFUL! let's forget that they can barely hit anything that moves

>>81743862
No one can beat the Culture.

Showing their GSV to scale as if the reason for that is their fuckheug ships is misleading too. They wouldn't win because their ships are bigger, they'd win because their smallest ships have light defence weaponry that creates a singularity where your bridge used to be from a couple of AU away and they can directly control anything that runs on electricity, down to a potato clock, from about 20 lightyears distance.

And then theres Gridfire.

>>81744052
In term of bad writing, sure no one can beat the culture

>>81744121
>bad writing

I see you're lost, young pajeet. This is not the DCEU thread.

>>81743840
Star Wars is utterly technologically stagnant though. All they do is repurpose existing tech into different forms.

The Imperium in 40k advances faster.

>>81744121
Culture books are well written, what are you talking about?

Use of Weapons is a fucking masterpiece.

>>81744146
>>81744211
>lol star wars? star trek? I only read superior culture saga because I am an intellectual!

Comparing Star Trek with Star Wars it's like comparing DCMarvel with Dragon Ball Z

>There was some comic in wich Superman sneezed a galaxy so Goku has no change dude

>Captain Picard nuked an entire dimension in that chapter what would the Empire do haha

We have hear it before, Superman would defeat Goku and Star Treck ships would rekt the Star Wars ones but you know what no one cares cause those are fucking lame and Star Wars and Dragon Ball will rule forever.

>>81744146
at least I'm alive

>>81743697
Cause Star Trek ships never miss small fighters.

>>81744288
>this is the average argument from a Star Wars enthusiast

I think that says it all.

>>81744306
and a dead author is still smarter and whiter than you, pajeet.

>>81742618
The shields can easily withstand asteroids and they do as Han is flying through the field and it just shakes the falcon a little. You're probably thinking about TIE fighters which specifically don't have shield generators.

>>81744288
>Dragon Ball

Fuck off.

>>81744407
I am talking about Star Destroyer.
The scene where they are having their conference with Vader one of them is hit by an asteroid and is damaged

>inb4 they have to lower shields to communicate

LMAO WHAT SHIT SHIELDS

>>81742476
Trek ships have
>20x the range of Star Destroyers
>Perfect accuracy
>Extremely strong phasers that can scour continents of all live and penetrate a planet's crust
>Antimatter weapons
>Impulse engines that move at 1/4 the speed of light
>Warping instantly for maximum tactical advantage, as opposed to punching in coordinates for 5 minutes

>>81744490
It was an asteroid the size of another ship.

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>>81744258
That's a big ol' strawman you got there anon.

>>81744504
>Perfect accuracy

Kek.

>>81744171
>Star Wars is utterly technologically stagnant though
Only in Legends

>>81744515
and star trek shields can withstand the big bang
we have already been over this

>>81744565
And Voyager isn't canon. We have already been over this.

>>81744504
>Perfect accuracy
Wrong.
>Extremely strong phasers that can scour continents of all live and penetrate a planet's crust
Turbolasers are in the gigaton range
>Antimatter weapons
So does the Empire
>Impulse engines that move at 1/4 the speed of light
So does the Empire
>Warping instantly for maximum tactical advantage, as opposed to punching in coordinates for 5 minutes
Most ships can preform mini hyperspace jumps

Star Trek also has time travel, the empire is fucked no matter what

>>81744563
And the films.
The tech level in Phantom Menace is the same tech level in Force Awakens.

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Get enough of these guys and give them a days worth of prep time and they're literally unstoppable

>>81744624
your headcanon doesn't count
only stuff in the movie and official canon material

>>81744146
>This is not the DCEU thread.
But Banks novels are full of boring action filler. It's 19th-tier filling. Consider Phlebas is one long train chase with big green hulk aliens. Use of Weapons is just a Bourne novel. Excession is just Rick & Morty-tier humour.


I really hope you don't think you're a patrician because of the Culture (but you are, we know it. Every Banks lover is). It's sci-fi for post-Stephen King ~19yo slow readers.

>>81744677
Star Trek ships don't have perfect accuracy in the canon.
There are plenty of times when ships miss each other.

>>81744651
Completely incorrect.

Did you notice how the ships got bigger and more powerful over the course of the trilogy films? Did you notice most ships needed hyperspace rings instead of them being installed onboard? Did you notice how hologram technology progressed? Lucas made an effort to show technology change in-universe. Nothing stayed stagnant until Legends straight up had Clone Wars era ships 4,000 years in the past.

>>81744908
>Lucas made an effort to show technology change in-universe

I think you're confusing Technology change and increased budget.

>>81745049
Are you retarded? He personally financed each film.

>>81745120
And after the first movie was a success he had much more money.

>>81744908
only the jedi ship needed a ring for hyper space
Jango's ship, the naboo royal ship etc didn't need one.
and the star destroyers are just like the venator shps

>>81743210
>>81743304
>>81743717

The guy that runs that site is a physicist or something, he used scenes like the SDs shooting asteroids from Empire and worked out the amount of energy it would take to vaporize that much rock, it's pretty legit.

>>81745285
No he didn't.
He took it from published sources.

>>81745285
>is a physicist

Oh so, it's a biased liar with enough knowledge to lie using numbers to make it sound legit. Did he know the composition of those asteroids? Is he a material expert too?

Did other "physicists" peer review his findings? No. Oh, how convenient.

>>81743210
>megatons per shot

Hahahahaha I don't give a shit where he goes this EU bullshit from, take a look at OFFICIAL DISNEY CANON:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARR0RPrr_rg

Those fucking Star Destroyers guns are literally less powerful than modern artillery.

>>81745601
Sci-fi writers have no sense of scale. The Borg's orbital bombardment in Star Trek: First Contact was equally pathetic.

>>81745155
>only the jedi ship needed a ring for hyper space
V-19, Clone-Z95s and most Republic starfighters needed hyperdrive rings.

>Jango's ship, the naboo royal ship
One is a modified prison transport and the other is a fucking royal diplomatic vessel.

>star destroyers are just like the venator shps
Absolutely incorrect. A Venator does not come close to the firepower and shielding of a Imperial Star Destroyer. Republic started with Accumulator and ended with top of the line Star Destroyers.

>>81745356
>He took it from published sources.
Curtis Saxon runs the site and the published sources you idiot

>>81745601
>The prequel novel Thrawn talks about gigaton range turbolasers
Do you not understand the writers of Rebels have to tell a story? Are you not accounting for budget either? In the same episode you also see turbolasers punching holes in capital ships.

>>81745356
>>81745404

He used conservative figures (the asteroids are on the low end of density, etc.) based on publicly available data and so on, and no I can't check his math myself or seen someone dispute it, but it seems like if he was that off someone would have called him on it by now.

>>81745807
>This website is owned and maintained by Michael Wong

Where does it say anywhere that the article is written by Curtis Saxton?

>watch Rogue One
>everyone is amazed at the power of the Death Star when it simply blows up a city

LOL STAR DESTROYER COULD ALREADY DO THAT BECAUSE GIGATON LASERS LOL

star wars autists are the worst

>>81745872
>In the same episode you also see turbolasers punching holes in capital ships.
In the same episode you see hand launched rockets and blasters punching holes in capital ships.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lluHdG-kfzQ

>>81743187
lmao nope
out of all trek content only TAS and ENT are not canon

>>81743415
>implying Brexit isn't the best shit to happen in 2k16

Why would you assume transporters could get through SW shields? It seems pretty easy to disrupt transporters.

>>81745972
I don't really consider TOS to be canon either.

>when someone in the other thread reminds you that in ESB Star Destroyer were being disabled by a ion cannon while they HAD THEIR SHIELDS UP

LOL STAR WARS BTFO YET AGAIN

>not having a team up against a common, more powerful foe

I am Locutus, of Sith

It's funny how insecure ST fans are when comparing both franchises is like comparing oranges and pears

>>81745872
>>The prequel novel Thrawn talks about gigaton range turbolasers
Quote it then.

>>81746173

What was the yield and nature of the ion cannon bolts tho? For all you know it would've shut down a Federation ship permanently or instantly overloaded the warp core.

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>>81743265
i'd beam it straight to their life support systems

>comparing science fiction

It's not real you fucking nerds

It's funny how insecure SW fans are when comparing both franchises is like comparing oranges and pears

>>81746169
Well good thing nobody gives two shits about your opinion senpai, there's no reason for TOS not to be canon since it's so damn isolated from TNG-DS9-VOY era that stuff that happens there doesn't make much of a difference

>>81746502
>comparing science fiction and fantasy
fixed it for you
Star Wars was never Science Fiction
there's no science in the original trilogy
it's just fantasy set in space
That's like saying soldiers in a realistic shooter game suck because they take less bullets to kill than in CoD/Battlefield and don't have regenerating health
It's like saying movies are more badass because there's sound in them compared to books
It's stupid

>>81745916
Realistically, you could take out a city that size by just dropping a suitably large rock on it from orbit.

Scifi writers have no sense of scale. Star Trek is afflicted by this just as much.

>>81743210
>(6 megatons per shot
kek

This is what it looks like when Star Wars ships fight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGMabAyZPpI

This is what a single 4 megaton explosion looks like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn8lvMkySmc

>>81745972
>ENT
>Not canon
Just because you dont like it doesnt make it not canon.

>>81746502
Where do you think you are normie?

>>81747033
It's not canon because it clearly contradicts already established canon
and i only even said that because the guy i was replying to said Voyager wasn't canon

>>81746999
It's a focused detonation. The force is all channeled into the target, as superior Star Wars weapons can then fire without risking collateral damage AND doing even more damage than a 6 megaton nuke would do.

Fucking nerds get off my site

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>81747108
>focused detonations
>clip LITERALLY SHOWS fucking flak bursts like they're WW2 guns

>>81747246
That's actual flak to take out fighters, not their main guns.

>>81744288
Wars fans confirmed for retarded children

Are the Star Trek ships vulnerable to space radiation when their shields are down?

>>81747273
>clip LITERALLY SHOWS them coming from the main guns and firing at the other ship
>also how the fuck would flak guns hurt fighters that can take at least one megaton shot

Never mind, the Disney shills are too powerful. Last post you get troll.

>>81746498

I'd watch the shit out of that Voyager.

>Genocide the Kazon.
>Promote Cheska to first officer.
>Tuvok leads the shipboard secret police.
>Darkling Doctor is permanent.

Any more?

>>81747391
It's a multi-megaton burst of energy, of course it'll hurt fighters.

They're energy weapons, they're dial-a-yield.

It's like I'm talking to a child, can you not run potential answers through your head before you type? I'm sorry Star Trek wouldn't win, but it's just fiction, no need for the butthurt.

>>81746498
That's sounds like a much more entertaining version of Voyager tbqhwyf.

You could do that season one, have season two be about another ship investigating the crimes of the rogue captain.

>>81747425
>That one episode where they beam the Doctor aboard the Prometheus
>The Doctor deletes the EMH 2 and negotiates with the Romulans
>USS Voyager, realizing that they would be criminals to the Federation, defects to the Romulan Empire, trading technological secrets and Prometheus in return for their safety
>Voyager turns into something actually interesting

>>81747577
>Literally just said it was just flak
>No it's now totally a multimegaton explosion even though it looks exactly like a 88mm shell exploding

You got another post out of me, good job troll, I'll just have to leave this thread completely.

>>81747708
Why are you even bothering to reply if it's hurting you so much? Don't feel like you have to for anyone else's benefit, you're not really contributing anything to the discussion by just repeating 'hurr good wun troll!' to try and discredit my argument by implying it's so nonsensical it could only be an attempt at trolling.

>>81742634
Star Trek is better because it's not a black and white morality space opera for kids and teenagers.

>>81749353
that's only true for DS9