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>>81738433
AAAHHH THIS MAKES ME ANGRY

>/tv/ will lose their shit over this scene
>OP giggles in delight as his thread is filled with replies

>>81738433
*breaths in* *inhales*
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

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>>81738454

TINY
WHITE
SHIPS

>>81738466
Why is this pissing people off?

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Suncrusher
Prototype Death Star
Helicopter lightsabers
The Wookiepedia article about Chairs in Legends and Lore

>>81738466
heheh, you think so, kid?
Well NOT ON MY WATCH!!!

SAGE

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>>81738433
>>81738466
Yeah ok but really. Isn't the hammerhead at least 4000 years old? I definitely know it's a kotor ship, and it looks like they just ripped the model straight from the game.

Ramming is actually a classic tactic

This scene was dumb though, but necessary

What the fuck are we supposed to be seeing?

>>81738568
they did, the reason they made the entire EU non-canon is so they can Disneyfy it and re-sell it.

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>>81738568
It's not a hammerhead cruiser it's a modern hammerhead corvette.

>>81738433
What's wrong exactly?

>>81738604
>>81738651
Oh, well of course. Never sold a Hammerhead toy when kotor was out, gotta rectify that, don't we

>be light corvette
>ram enemy ship at full speed
>zero damage to your ship
>enemy ship gets ripped in half

>>81738568
>ripped the model straight from the game

Fuck no. The kotor version looks very different and it's actually a cool design. The bullshit we see in Rogue One is garbage.

>>81738728

>what is moment

Looks pretty bad.

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>>81738720
>yfw the only hammerhead toy is a model for a board game

>>81738766

it's still stupid because one of those big engines in the back would neglect all of the moment of the light corvette

>literally chopping a star destroyer in half with another star destroyer

That's a sentence I should never have to type, but this abomination of a movie made me.

>>81738808
That's not how directional forces work.

>>81738749
You're right. I just noticed that the new one has a dildo strapped to the bottom

>>81738433
It's obviously some kind of tugboat spaceship, super strong for its size

>>81738433
I could believe that the small ship was able to push one of the big ships out of the way but having it cut the other one in half is just ridiculous especially considering they have shields and could detect that small craft a thousand miles away.

>>81738543
Chairs?

If they were intent on having this ramming sequence, why did they pick a light corvette? and why did they have the corvette survive with only a scratched paint job?

It would have been much more compelling if the ship that did the ramming was also destroyed in the process, since it would show the rebels willingness to sacrifice.

>>81738841
Among other things. If you compare them long enough you'll get mad at how badly they fucked it up.

>>81738944
>Canonical tractor beams
>ship with no power whatsoever from the ion bombs
"Yeah lol lets have the tugboat ram it for dramatic effect instead of dragging it."
Fish admiral confirmed regard?

>>81738604
In all fairness the EU was never really cannon, and if you wanted to do movies after Jedi you'd be forced to tapdance around retarded shit like the entire jedi accademy arc, darksaber, the truce at bakurra, etc.

Fuck, beyond the EU I read when I was younger it keeps on going for like two more generations, shit like the Vong and beyond.
No one wants that shit in their movie.
So you officially ignore it and do your own thing.
Plus I think they would probably be on the hook to pay the writers of that shit royalties for usung their characters (Not sure how that would work in a licensed franchise, but whatever).

The EU came from a time when the prevailing wisdom was that we were all done with the movies and everything is wide open.
Because if the old books were cannon then explain why the clone wars was portrayed so differently in the heir to the empire books.

HEY GOY I HOPE YOUVE BOOKED 5 TICKETS MINIMUM FOR LAST OF THE JEDI

>>81738831

The center of mass is in the middle, so the big engine of the left has a moment against the corvette

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>They didn't bring a frigate close to the ISD and hyperspaced into the ISDs to destroy them

Why didn't they just hyperspace to within the atmosphere like in TFA?

I cant wait for the film where they spoonfeed how The Empire improved their defences massively between Rogue One and A New Hope

>>81739342
are you implying this is the same?
>tanker is coasting
>little boat is pulling via a tug line
>little boat isn't going directly into hull and getting ripped to shreds

What about the *thud* when the Empire shuttle lands near the tower? The scene is shot from inside the tower. It's really loud.

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Ready to apologize yet faggots?

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>half of the trailer was missing from the movie

What was that all about?

>>81740926
Footage that wasn't going to be used was picked up by the marketing team. Also creates red herrings which spark conversations about the movie.

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>>81741110
>red herrings
What does this mean?

>>81738433
so what's the problem? ship with shields up pushes a disabled ship out of orbit and into another?

>>81739004
>Suicide bombings
>in a disney flick

They were already pushing it with the Sci-fi ISIS characters

>>81740926
Reshoots to make the movie more fun after test audiences thought it was too dark and serious.

>>81739140
Shut up goon there was no need to dismiss the eu before the prequels
just change it after ROTJ and that's it but keep the things before

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Did you like this guy? I didn't like this casting at all. Maybe it was just me.

>>81739004
>survive

what, it falls in the planet atmosphere with the other star destroyers

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>>81741346
Fuck, there is a darker version out there? They should test screen movies in Europe..

>>81741397
Doubt they would ever release it.

>>81741355
well you don't get much of a selection at the Home Depot parking lot nowadays

>>81738433
HOW THE FUCK COULD A FICTIONAL OBJECT IN A FICTIONAL SETTING DO THIS TO ANOTHER FICTIONAL OBJECT? IT'S UP TO ME TO DECIDE WHAT THESE FICTIONAL THINGS I DIDN'T COME UP WITH CAN AND CAN'T DO.

>>81741355
I didn't care enough about him to feel either way

>>81738948
everyone in this thread forgets that the Star Destroyer was disabled at the moment from ion cannon fire.

>>81744666
It's a common problem for fanboys. Any time something happens in a new film or show or whatever that isn't expressly stated to be possible in the original media, they throw a shitfit (even though this happened in Return of the Jedi.)

>>81738433
What is the problem exactly?

>>81744442
well Im sure you can deduce a small vessel pushing itself into a much larger and dense vessel wouldn't move it, but more than likely just crumble itself into the battleship. Its not magic, as you hope it is

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>>81738433
>muh tugboats can do this too!
>it's totally scientifcally accurate XD Neil degrasse tyson said so haha
Listen up you fucking morons, this is NOT accurate.
1) The amount of thrust the hammerhead would need to push a ship with that kind of mass in that amount of time (10 seconds) is inconceivable. Picture a tiny speedboat pushing the Titanic completely off course into an iceberg in 10 seconds-- that's right, you can't because that doesn't make any fucking sense.
2) The starship destroyer is not made out of the same material as the hammerhead's front battering ram. It's most likely a material that is much weaker, because that would be expensive as fuck to coat an entire ship in essentially diamonds. Therefore, the hammerhead would pierce through the star destroyer long before it would be able to push it into another ship

>>81744934
>a ship capable of pushing itself faster than the speed of light can't generate enough force to push a larger object applying no force in any direction despite zero gravity conditions

Step up nigga.

>>81744995
it just pushed it out of orbit

>it would be expensive

what the fuck, in the saga where they are building death starts and super star destroyers?

>>81744995

1) it's an FTL ship, surely it can put out stupendous amounts of thrust

2) don't the star destroyers have shields or something? they could reinforce the hull like that. if not then that is a valid criticism

>>81745050
by your logic a jackhammer can move a house

>>81745113
In zero gravity conditions and if enough force is applied to it, yes.

>>81738433
I thought Rogue One was average, but the CGI was amazing. Some of the best I've ever seen.

>>81745151
>in a completely unrealistic situation, yes
ah yes, theoretically youre also a moron.

>>81745194
>gravity and force aren't real

????

>>81745113
lol a house on a frictionless surface? ya it could. This is either bait or you don't know the first thing about physics.

>>81744995
It was utterly retarded. It's sad you need to explain it to idiots.

>>81745213
>zero gravity conditions
doesnt exist. go back to school, idiot
>>81745254
>ya it could
you go back to school aswell, moron

>>81738433
Nothing wrong here :^)

>>81745283
I know you're trolling but I think you're doing it wrong, you're supposed to make US mad and make US look like idiots, not yourself.

>>81745283
retard, we're talking about things in frictionless zero-gravity conditions (spaceships)

>>81745278
This depends on the structural strength of the contact point. With enough time obviously you could move the star destroyer by throwing baseballs at it, with less time you need more force and a point strong enough to handle the force applied. Any imperial naval engineers here? no? well then all we know is that it is possible. I'm studying for calc 3 right now otherwise I'd do the math on how strong the ship would have to be but if anyone else wants to the destroyer weighs 6400000 T, but you'd have to estimate the acceleration.

>>81745362
youre protecting the logic of the events in the OP pic, and Im the one who's trolling?

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>>81745435

>>81744995
>in that amount of time (10 seconds)
the time that elapses in a movie is not 1:1 to real time.

>people ignoring the planet's graivity
>ignoring the fact that the small ship just pushed the start destroyer out of his orbit and that's why they start falling down toward the planet

ROTJ
>ships can snipe shield generators and kamikaze fly into bridges, destroying star destroyers in seconds with minimal losses
This is ok and the intended vision for Star Wars.

R1
>a disabled star destroyer generating no propulsion can be pushed by a ship specialized for the task, destroying it with great difficulty, ingenuity, and effort
THIS IS HORSE SHIT AND IT WOULDN'T HAPPEN THIS WAY.

>>81745515
The planet should be pulled towards the Star Destroyer due to the fact that it has such tremendous mass that it can't be moved even in microgravity, according to you and autists like you.

>>81744995
> Picture a tiny speedboat pushing the Titanic completely off course into an iceberg in 10 seconds-- that's right, you can't

well no, but there's thing called friction you see that isn't there to resist the tiny space speedboat

also the hammerhead is about 10% the length of the Star Destroyer. the Titanic was 262m, so your "tiny speedboat" would be at least 26m long.

>>81745112
Does FTL travel in star wars involve thrust?

>>81745615
>with minimal losses
The rebel fleet is getting its shit pushed in the whole time.

>>81745699

More like 5%, but good point about friction.

physicist here, i can do back-of-the-envelope calculations. what specific questions do you want me to try to answer? i don't really get what people are confused about, it looks okay to me (though i admit i don't know anything about star wars)

>>81741355
I could only understand like half his dialogue.

Even ignoring that, it was a poor casting choice. He was just super uninteresting.

>>81745744
No. Hyperspace is a translation to a hyperspace domain that has a 1-to-1 correlation to real space.

But star wars has never tried to be very accurate about it. Its a plot convenience that lets the story work.

>>81745836
how do they control the length of a lightsaber, and why not have one the length of 10 metres and poke your opponent to death?

>B-B-BUT THE STAR DESTROYER WAS DISABLED!

Then why ram it at all?

If the engines have been disabled, why not go around it? Without engines, it can't power it's weapons, shields, life support, sensors, thrusters, internal lighting, communications, and countless other systems. It's ability to launch fighters is fucked since the entire flight deck crew was killed when the vacuum shields depowered and vented the flight deck. Any breaches would be catastrophic since without power, blast doors and airlocks couldn't shut out the breach. Any fires aboard would quickly kill off any remaining crew because not only are fire suppression systems offline, but since the life support systems have no power the fire will quickly consume vast amounts of the ships oxygen.

Are you seriously implying that something as large as a Star Destroyers power plant can be completely disabled by a small payload of ion bombs? In Episode 4 it took an entire dedicated ground-to-orbit cannon facility to have a chance at disabling a Star Destroyer, and even then only for long enough to allow a transport and escort to quickly slip by it. If ion bombs were THAT potent, why would anybody ever use anything else?

>>81745698
but I was one of the guys saying the scene was fine

>>81745615

that shit really happened though, top pilots individually took down jap carriers

rouge one is just meme lel science reddit bullshit

>>81745881
Its something about focal lengths on the crystal.

>>81745935
they had to destroy the planetary shield so the admiral guy decided to push the star destroyer down so it would fall on the shield weak spot and destroy it

and the star destroyers in episode 4 had their shields up meanwhile this one got his shield generator destroyed earlier

>>81745881
idk. i haven't done any courses on plasma physics but from what i've learned it's really tricky to keep stuff confined at high energies, that's why fusion is coming along so slowly.

>>81745881
There's a little turn dial on the lightsaber that controls the length

>>81745935
>Then why ram it at all?
...To take out the shield gate. Did you watch the movie?

reasons it was dumb:

strategic idiocy of having capital ships next to one another: they would be spread out as shit, they are even limiting one another's firing arcs

one ship scything through the other like paper, there would be massive pushback and the hammerhead be destroyed as well

Why would they even bring this type of ship to an assault on a planet? I guess they thought something like would happen.

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>>81746045
>decided to push the star destroyer down so it would fall on the shield weak spot and destroy it
>A writer actually thought this sounded acceptable

>>81746189
There was a gate that allowed ships to enter the planet through the shield

>push star destroyer out of orbit
>falls on the gate destroying it
>shields fall

it doesn't sound that bad to be honest

>>81746122
>strategic idiocy of having capital ships next to one another: they would be spread out as shit, they are even limiting one another's firing arcs
Naval battles in space are dumb period, but I fucking love them. You just have to deal with stupid shit like this.
That said, I was fine with it until it cut the other ship in half and i niggawut.jpg'd.

>>81745836
The wiki lists the star destroyer's weight at around ~13 billion pounds. I don't know what distance was displaced but maybe you can guesstimate that. Is it really possible for a hammerhead ship which is like 2% of the star destroyer's mass to completely knock it off course like that in 10 seconds flat? I would think it would take at least 30 minutes or something like that

>>81746290
Depends on the strength of the contact point

>>81746376
would be cool to see how strong it would have to be though to see if it's feasible

>>81746290
what's the star destroyer's length and width? also what is it made of (if it's some fictional material, what's the closest earth material?)

>>81746427
>what is it made of
Durasteel. Everything in starwars is made out of dura-[insert mundane building material].

>>81746290
> 2% of the star destroyer's mass

uh huh. justify this figure

>>81746427
Volume: 128,000,000 m3
Length: 1,600 m

I can't find the width. Raw materials wise, it's most made up of "meleenium", which is used in trace amounts to form another thing call "durasteel", so I'm guessing star destroyers are mainly durasteel.

"More resistant than standard steel but weaker than titanium,[1]"

>>81746631
the cargo capacity of a hammerhead is 4,000 tons, I don't know the weight of the hammerhead itself but let's just say 20,000 tons for a total of 24,000 tons. The star destroyer by comparison is nearly 7 million tons, and that's not counting for its cargo capacity

>>81741355
I couldn't understand him. He sounded like he was speaking with a taco in his mouth.

>>81739456
it's exactly the same because there's no gravity in the water and no gravity in space so the ships dont weigh anything the only difference is that its using a rope in that pic but in star wars it's pushing them

>>81746925
there's a huge difference -- on an ocean there's water and air to provide friction. in space there's no friction. also mass and weight aren't the same.

>>81746766

You should maybe check out the complement of strikefighters which the ship also holds.

But that's neither here nor there, because you're thinking of the wrong ship.

>>81746290

SD is approx 1,000,000,000kg

let's assume a low initial rate of acceleration, maybe 5m/s/s

F=ma

so a force of 5 billion newtons is required

here's the thing - that's only a couple of hundred times more force than is required to get modern spacecraft into orbit.

how much more powerful a thrust can be achieved by a Hammerhead than our own tiny rockets? I'm willing to bet it's a *lot* more.

>>81746925
>no gravity in the water
>no gravity in space
1/10. Made me reply.

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>>81741308

alright these are some nigger-tier approximations I'm using:

SD mass: some anon said 13 billion lbs, which is about 6*10^9 kg
SD length: 1600 m

Eyeballing the webm upthread, it looks as though the hammerhead pushes it about half the length of a star destroyer sideways, so let's say we're accelerating it from a standstill across a distance of 1 km. It takes about 15 seconds to cover this distance.

Acceleration is:

a = 2d/t^2 = 2*1000/15^2 = ~8.9 m/s^2

Approximate the hammerhead as pushing perpendicularly to the SD's surface (instead of at an angle), this means it's pushing with a force of:

F = m*a = 8.9 * 6 * 10^9 = ~5.3*10^10 Newtons of force.

This is a tremendous amount of thrust -- Wolfram Alpha says it's about 4300x the thrust put out by the Space Shuttle's solid rocket boosters at liftoff. The hammerhead looks to be approximately the size of the Space Shuttle, so it's a fair comparison.

tl;dr It's 3 orders of magnitude more powerful than the Space Shuttle. If that's standard for engines in Star Wars then I guess it's okay, if not then not.

As for whether a steel hull could withstand it: no. It would tear like tissue paper.

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*teleports behind u*
*shoots u and saves hero*

Seriously, how did this faggot make it up to the relay? He got shot and flung to the bottom of the thing he was climbing

I hate this fucking dumb and pointless movie. Way worse than TFA

>>81747503

correct, RO is unbelievably bad.

>>81747368
Its space steel anon.
And it would have to be strong enough to hold together under greater lateral forces than that because its a superstructure raised above the engines. If the other star destroyer could cut through it like that, then the sheer forces of high acceleration should tear it apart as well.
We need a structural engineer to weigh in.

>>81747162
>But that's neither here nor there, because you're thinking of the wrong ship.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hammerhead-class_cruiser
that seems like the right ship to me
>SD is approx 1,000,000,000kg
>2 billion pounds instead of 13 billion
what's your source on that number? that's a big difference from what I've got

>>81747662
>http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hammerhead-class_cruiser

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hammerhead_corvette

>>81747662
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hammerhead_corvette
The corvette is smaller

>>81747503

No, this is a 1/10 just for James Earl Jones' voice acting, TFA was 0/10

>>81747632
structural engineering my ass. with that amount of thrust concentrated in that small a surface area (~10 square metres) we're in a pressure regime where graphite starts to turn into diamond.

>>81747803
>just for James Earl Jones' voice acting
Made me sad because I thought he had already died. Then I realized hes probably going to die soon.

>>81747740
>>81747776
so the ship in R1 is actually smaller than what I put forward, or at least it doesn't give any exact dimensions or weights. Even if the corvette were somehow 20,000 tons heavier than the cruiser it wouldn't make much of a difference

>>81746261
I am ok with the ramming, just one observation: would have been cool that the hammerhead started the ramming but then would not be able to finish this enormous task.

Then, the calamari admiral loses his shit and in tone with the suicide mission of the movie, orders the flagship to ram as well (damaging all the frontal part, but enough to finish the mission and trigger the second part).

>>81738454
>>81738433

Whats the problem here? The scene before they knocked out power to the ship and if you didn't know anything about the vacuum of space, any minor amount of force (not that force) will push objects since theres basically zero friction and air resistance.

>>81748035
see
>>81747368

>>81747839
you're forgetting that it does crumple until the hammerhead hits the actual frame of the ship, at which point the area of contact is more that 10 square meters

>>81748346
I'm talking about the front of the hammerhead itself, the contact area will always be constrained to at most the size of the ram.

the hammerhead clearly had shields up

>>81748396
okay but that looks like a lot more than 10m^2 . I just assumed the ram part would be made of tungsten or depleted uranium or unobtanium or some shit. i dunno it's a space fantasy movie

>>81744995
>enemy star destroyer doesnt compensate with their own thrusters

Worf could figure this shit out.


WORFFFF get in here

>>81747503
RO is one of the best war films ever made.

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itt: a bunch of trolls 'pretending' to be stupid.

>>81747503
>Way worse than TFA
hahahahahaha no

>>81741355

it was fucking kyle katarn, but it could be casted better

>>81745283

>there is friction in space

american education

>>81745935
You're unbelievably retarded.

>>81745881

lightsabers are utterly retarded

they are either long swords who require kinetic force to cut or literal energy chainsaw who can cut everything at contact

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>>81738433
>mfw /tv/ defended this movie when it came out

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>>81738806
>yfw the only MC75 is an unpainted 3d printed custom

>>81744995
I really like the idea of them using the ftl drives to push it, it's creative, I don't care if it doesn't make complete sense, fuck all you guys

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My mom turned to me and said
>"Why didn't they do that sooner to avoid all the casualties?"
at this fucking instant.

>>81738990

Did you ever hear the tragedy of chairs?
No?
I thought not. It's not a story the Jedi would tell you. It's a Sith legend. Chairs was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create life... He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying. He became so powerful... the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep. It's ironic he could save others from death, but not himself.

>>81747162
>>81747368

No, you are wrong, you require even less, because in the movie the hammerhead spins the star destroyer rather than move it laterally

To spin it, you need torque, you can spin a very large object with a small force, if you have a long enough arm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torque

It is even easier because of the structure of the star destroyer, it must have his center of mass back in his thruster, so the inertia must be very low at the point of impac

>>81748396
>>81748346
>>81748524

This is the only argument, the pressure would be enormous it would cut it

The ramming head should be done from a large energy barrier with a larger area to avoid it, that would disperse the pressure while mantaining the force applied

>>81738433
this shit was so retarded, AND they stole it from Star Trek.


Shit, most of Rogue One was awful.

>>81738574
>>81738433

but it doesnt make any fucking sense how it happened in the movie.


If EMPS suddenly work on Star Destroyers why not use one on the OTHER Star Destroyer too? Why not EMP EVERY Star Destroyer? Why dont they use EMPs on the Rebels.


If ramming one star destroyer into another is enough to destroy the second star destroyer, then why isnt the initial ship or the first star destroyer destroyed too??!?


Why did the Star Destroyer just sit there and let it happen? Why not fucking move your spaceship!


God this scene is so retarded.

>>81749596
>it was kyle katarn

not in the slightest

>>81750218
Did either of you even pay attention to the scene? The Y-wings just knocked the power out with ion bombs.

>>81750184
thats not how the FTL drives even WORK in star wars, they arent thrusters.


You are retarded.

>>81751340
>If EMPS suddenly work on Star Destroyers why not use one on the OTHER Star Destroyer too? Why not EMP EVERY Star Destroyer? Why dont they use EMPs on the Rebels.
it only worked because they had their shield disabled
>If ramming one star destroyer into another is enough to destroy the second star destroyer, then why isnt the initial ship or the first star destroyer destroyed too??!?
different points of a ship having different structural strenght? it was the "sharp" and hardest part of the first star destroyer cutting through a weaker section of the second one

>>81749033
its awful, it has 0 character


>>81747803
Jones phoned it in

>>81751520
>it only worked because they had their shield disabled

When did they ever say that? How did their shields get disabled? Why not disable the shields of the other star destroyer?


>different points of a ship having different structural strenght? it was the "sharp" and hardest part of the first star destroyer cutting through a weaker section of the second one


You dont understand how structural integrity works. And regardless, why didnt the other star destroyer fire on the small ship? Why not release some tie fighters to stop it? Where WERE the tie fighters and all the other ships?

>>81751520
still not answering
>Why did the Star Destroyer just sit there and let it happen? Why not fucking move your spaceship!

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Everyone dies at the end.

>>81751378
Then why not knock the power out sooner? Why not knock the power out of the other one too?

>>81751613
They took the ship down how are they going to release tie fighter when the ship is down. Also where is the other ship going to move? Star destroyers don't have a lot of mobility other than hyperdrive

>>81751642
Why didn't your mother seek treatment for your autism sooner? Why not abort you in utero?

>>81751701
there was another ship right next to it with tie fighters, and the ship itself doesnt need to be operating for the tie fighters to leave. Also if the ship has no power how were they breathing?


> Also where is the other ship going to move? Star destroyers don't have a lot of mobility other than hyperdrive


Literally anywhere. And thats not true, they have big fucking thrusters on the back to move without a hyper drive and even if that WAS true why not fucking hyper drive out of there since they werent firing guns or doing jack shit.

>>81751613
they showed it in the movie how their shield generator got destroyed

>you don't understand how structural integrity works

so you are saying that on a carrier the control tower could take the same damage as the reinforced rest of the ship?

>>81751628
move after they got disabled?
or before when they were there to protect the gate shield which was the rebel objective?
or are you talking about the other star destroyer? they tried to move when they realized what was going to happen

>>81751749
>I dont have an answer but you are autistic!!

enjoy that 5 cents from disney, pajeet

>>81751613
A-are you on the spectrum? A-are you having an episode? You should take a rest, anon. Have a nice warm glass of milk.

>>81751779
>move after they got disabled?


The other one that got the ship rammed into it you retard.


>they tried to move when they realized what was going to happen


fucking barely, it was complete incompetence on their part and absolutely retarded.

>>81751779
so the shields of the other star destroyer arent strong enough to stop a slow hunk of metal from coming through?


what worthless ships

>>81751823
>the Empire being incompetent

you don't say

>>81751800
see
>>81751798

>>81751779
He's trolling you - stop feeding him.

>>81751863
they were incompetent throughout the whole movie, they never felt like a threat. Rogue One was absolutely awful.

>>81751874
>having problems with a movie is trolling now

>>81751881
>they were incompetent through the whole saga, they never felt like a threat

fixed that

>>81751865
>>81751900
Fuck off you pathetic retard.

>>81738433

The Star Destroyes engines were disabled, it doesn't matter how big the Destroyer is, if there is force pushing it in a direction, then it will move in that direction.

>>81741355

Second he shot the other Rebel that could have talked in the back, I was on board

>>81751881

Well the tie pilots were as deadly as always in Rogue One, they took out more rebel fighters then we saw them lose. Also the Death Trooper squad killed all the remaining rebels on the beach when they arrived.

>>81747345
>I saw people who look like me kicking ass

sooooooooo he was watching al-hayat's latest release?

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>>81751749
>>81751378

Funny thing is, that guy isn't even me, that's how retarded your point is. That someone else had to reply to you. There simply isn't a reasonable answer as to why they didn't do it sooner.

>>81751776
This is such a weird stance to have, star destroyers aren't even real, who are you to say what it can and can't do? All you have is what you know from the movies, so have you ever seen a star destroyer move out of the way fast enough to dodge a large object? No, this is the first time, so we as the audience are supposed to just accept this as the rule now for these made up contraptions.

>>81739342
show me where a tug pushes the boat through another boat with enough force to rip it apart from port to starboard

>>81752166
No you're just being a fag right now. Show me a bag of weed big enough to kill my dynasty.

>>81739342
Now show me a tugboat ramming cargo ship so hard it flips over

>>81752166
>water=space
>demanding that physical specifications are all spelled out appropriately in a space-fantasy movie about wizards

>>81752306
Water is made out of space you dingus

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>>81752395
>mfw space is made out water

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>>81738433
There is nothing you disneymarvel shills can say to defend this scene.

Rogue One was fucking bad, so forgettable I couldn't name 1 character 20 minutes after it ended. TFA was a legit 1/10 shitflick remake of Ep4, this is irrefutable.

The fact is that all Disneywars content sucks. They've done worse than Lucas ever did.

>ignore all valid explanations
>lol you can't defend it!!

>>81752519

Don't be to hard on them, they never did understand that lesson about Newtonian laws.

>>81752471
What ever you are going through anon I feel for you and send positive vibes your way

>>81752519
Just because it's in zero grav doesn't mean mass and momentum doesn't exist you fucking retard.

>>81752632
woah, such an original post
it's not like that got debunked multiple times already you simpleton

>>81752471
Jesus dude they arent that bad.
TFA is extremely overrated though.
I hate when people bash on Rogue One for muh weak characters as if Star Wars characters have ever been more than one dimensional. Sure maybe Vader and sort of Luke but thats literally it.
I would even argue that the characters in TFA were even less developed than Rogue One

>ITT: Pajeets on the clock

>>81745185
I really agree with this. I enjoyed the movie but the CGI, especially the battle above Scarif, was insane. Apparently, they completely scanned the original models of any ships they could and used them for the movie.

>>81752632
I assume you've studied the specifications of the various ships' engine capacity and densities?

That's really impressive, considering they are fake and don't exist.

>>81752687
You can't "debunk" laws of physics. You are just wrong.

>>81752287
Water has friction. Space doesn't have friction.

Rocket thrusters are more powerful than propellers.

It's an anon demonstrates his academic prowess and proves once again he's a genius who knows everything by arguing about a fantasy space movie with wizards and giant hairy dogs driving spaceships episode.

>>81738651
Hold the fuck up, did they put the bridge at the front of a ramming ship?

>>81752471
>Taking a children's cartoon show this seriously
Most of the people in this thread are more autistic than Star Wars/Disney fanboys.

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You fucking idiots always complain about these little things but never about WHAT REALLY is wrong with the entire thing.

So heres how the battle was planned:

>We warp a bunch of ships at close range and our primary objective is to help Rogue One do whatever they are doing down there
>This means we might need to get some ships down there while we fight the enemy fleet
>We are bringing a capital ship and other ships of considerable size along with a good amount of small fighter / bomber craft

What seems to be a somewhat standard plan turns into a clusterfuck very quickly.

>Launch myriads of small strike craft to attack the enemy ships and the shield generator when that should be the job of the BIG SHIPS that have BIG guns
>The small craft are used as their front line of defense and attack
>Both fleets don't have small destroyer type ships capable of securing a perimeter around the big ships and prevent any enemy fighters / bombers from getting in it
>The battle plays out as expected, a big confusing group of small ships dog fighting in space with minimal participation of the actual big ships that could take on the task more efficiently

FUCK starwars space battles

>>81747368
>literally in a universe with FTL travel

>>81752796
Even in zero grav it would take a very long time for such a small ship, with small mass and engine power to nudge a ship that big.

The Star Destroyer had just been disabled so it still had full momentum going forward.

Even if the rebelcuck ship was powered by magic engines of love and the force® it would've just fucking lodged in the star destroyer like a bullet. The psi at the point where it pushes would have to be unimaginably high.

Like you floating in space getting shot by a hunting rifle.

>>81753005
Star Wars space battles are pretty stupid in the ways you say. This really shows when they're all action like in Rogue One and don't have a lot of character interaction going on like the OT space battles did. That's really one of the biggest problems with Rogue One, the characters.

>>81752840
Friction or zero friction doesn't matter.

MASS AND MOMENTUM. The area where the force is applied cannot withstand such PSI.

It's like a superhero holding up a skyscraper, as if the whole fucking building could rest on one fucking section.

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>>81738433

Seriously though, why did the ship with working shields crumble? Shouldn't the shields have been a stronger force and the top star destroyer crumbles.

Also, if they were the same density.....why didn't both crumble?

IT MAKES NO SENSE.

>>81752695
Oh, did your butt get hurt?

>>81753412
Bravo! You actually discovered that special effects aren't reality. Give yourself a cookie!

>people actually think the small ship pushed it through the other ship
>not the planet's gravity how the star destroyer was falling out of orbit

>>81753344
>The area where the force is applied cannot withstand such PSI.
how do you know this?

>>81753175
how do you know any of that without knowing the power of the engines, the structural specifics of any of the ships, or the mass of either ship?

and yet, for some reason, this is where the suspension of disbelief is exhausted in a movie about wizards.

>>81753412
>Also, if they were the same density.....why didn't both crumble?
Only the command and tactical stations of the other ship was destroyed. The hull stayed in tact.

>>81753586
How is that an explanation? They are the same material. It should be all intact

>>81744995
Don't ISDs have a billion tie fighters they could scramble to btfo the hammerhead?

>>81753616
By your logic, martial artists break their hands every time they hit a brick.

>>81752692
>Jesus dude they arent that bad.
>I hate when people bash on Rogue One for muh weak characters as if Star Wars characters have ever been more than one dimensional.

But the characters in Rogue One didnt even have one dimension! There was no dialogue that wasn't

a) a big motivational speech
b) a joke
c) directly related to the plot


The original saga had plenty of this, even the prequels did. Han was in a bar and shot Greedo because that was his character, there is the chess scene between 3PO and Chewie that display their characters, but Rogue One had none of that. Nothing. Everything everyone did in the movie was because of plot, not because of their character. And there was 0 tension. Everything the main characters tried to do they accomplished. Even when their contact in notIsrael fucks up, they just happen to be there at the same exact time as an attack from the very terrorists they had to see.

Terrible movie.

>>81753555
>being this retarded

kys

>>81753816
that's literally what happened
the ship only gave the initial push

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>>81744995
This guy gets it totally.

>>81744995
If the force of that impact is enough to push through the second star destroyer then the same level of force would be pushing back throughout the structure of the hammerhead. The head itself would be fine but the hammerhead's body leading to its thrusters would be crushed into the head.

>>81754133
You should look up the difference between impact and impulse, also crumple zones, and shear moments

>>81753883
falling out of orbit doesnt fucking work that way, and there is a whole gif right here SHOWING you are wrong
>>81744995


you stupid idiot

>Use two ships 2km long each
>Park them less than 800m from each other
>In fucking space where there's no shortage of room
I get that they were defending the one window into the planet but what the fuck man.

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>going into full autist mode bitching about MUH REALISM in a literal space fairytale

why are you fuckers talking about science in this shit movie?

hollywood doesnt even know what an orbit is, much less physics 101

>>81754312
>literally pointing toward the planet and then proceeding with its fall toward it.

Jesus, SW is too complicated for you? Consider suicide.

>>81754423
Why is a stupid frogposter the only one itt with any goddamned sense?

>>81754456
>the ship only gave the initial push
>ship is on the star destroyer the entire time


wow you are retarded son

>>81754536
Ah so you just don't understand english, my bad, should have realized it sooner. You are still retarded tho.

>>81738433
>call it a star destroyer
>it gets owned by the equivalent of a space ferry boat

This scene and the blind chink shooting down a fighter with a fucking bomb arrow were the only 2 moments when you could hear people in the theater saying
>oh fuck ooooff

>>81754614
if it was gravity, why would the other ship even need to push it? And again, gravity doesnt fucking work that way, it would have just been pulled into orbit around the planet, not crashed immediately you stupid fucking tard.

>if i push something in space it will move!

am i just getting memed or do they not teach conservation of momentum in HS anymore?
there is no realistic speed of impact that could visibly affect to that degree the momentum of something a million times heavier

>>81754663
>what is a stable orbit
>what is breaking it

Join the other retard and kill yourselves

>>81751520
>if dropping a bomb on the USS Arizona blew it up, why didn't the Japs just drop bombs on all US warships?
>HURR
>DURR

>>81754707
>I know, if I list words and terms without having an argument that means I'm right!!

holy shit kill yourself you retard, please, your mom failed at aborting you and you owe it to the world to finish her job.

>nadir acceleration
>causing orbit decay

yeah in a million years

if they wanted to crash the ship into the planet they should have rammed it head on to lower its perigee enough to get atmospheric drag

>>81754725
>this method doesnt work on the other starships because I said so

kill yourself please

>>81754707
see
>>81754781

>>81752925
Its not for ramming, Its supposed to push freight

>>81754763
Said the retard insulting people because he has no argument. Not my fault you are ignorant. Try applying yourself instead of being a failure.
>>81754781
>>81754814
(You)

>>81754814
I dont see anything

you give more kinetic energy to a ship, it will stay in orbit

its instantaneous flight path will change, its orbital elements will adjust, but the orbit wont decay

>>81754850
You still havent actually argued against

>if it was gravity, why would the other ship even need to push it? And again, gravity doesnt fucking work that way, it would have just been pulled into orbit around the planet, not crashed immediately you stupid fucking tard.

or

>>81754781


So good job being a complete fool and losing. Rogue One is shit and this scene makes no sense.

>>81754894
Yeah exactly, the orbit won't decay, so it was the fucking ship ramming the star destroyer and not the SD crashing into the planet that did it.

>>81745283
How fucking stupid can you be

>>81754894
>>81754905
t. losers

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Is this really going to be a thing now, people arguing over the physics of battles in Star Wars?

How about a giant laser that blows up planets?

Or a single disabled command bridge on the Super Star Destroyer causing it to decay orbit and crash into the Death Star with literally no failsafes or backup controls?

Rogue One has plenty to pick on, you can do better

>>81755006
Nobody cares that hollywood is retarded, we care that fanboys are dumb enough to defend it

>>81755044
Because it was a good scene that looked cool? Oh wait it doesn't follow realistic physics this makes it bad and I should hate it.

>>81754894
You're assuming it was in orbit in the first place and not relying on repulsor lifts.

>>81744995
Oh wow you sure laid down the truth there Mr. Physics

Except not at all

>The amount of thrust the hammerhead would need to push a ship with that kind of mass in that amount of time (10 seconds) is inconceivable. Picture a tiny speedboat pushing the Titanic completely off course into an iceberg in 10 seconds--
A speedboat with a hammerhead specifically designed to ram other boats? Totally believable

And this is in the ocean with all the density you need to wade through. This is in space with zero density or friction where things move totally accordingly to the force appliedto them

>The starship destroyer is not made out of the same material as the hammerhead's front battering ram
It's made of metal, retard. I highly doubt the density of the metal is going to be a factor here.

>It's most likely a material that is much weaker, because that would be expensive as fuck to coat an entire ship in essentially diamonds.
You don't make a battering ram by taking diamonds and gluing it onto a car you fucking moron. That won't do anything.

And the empire don't give a fuck about cost efficiency.

>>81739342
Why are the retards in this thread too dumb to understand this example?

The force generated by the corvette against an object in the vacuum of space in more than enough to create enough energy to tear through another Star Destroyer.

>>81744442
They're spaceships, not dragons. We know how this shit works.

>>81755360
BUT SURELY THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE ANON

ELSE I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SHITPOST

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>>81755342
>We know how this shit works

>>81755360
Nigga that's a tugboat. There's no fucking tugboats in fucking space battles. gtfo

>>81755360
>it can only divert it's course

>>81755421
Yes, we do. We've been to space and we can apply our knowledge of physics.

This isn't some distant conceptual sci-fi future. Even things like the warp drive is based in real knowledge of how the universe works and it's just projected to a point where we know how to take advantage of it.

Because of inertia, the hammerhead would not have been able to move the star destroyer at all unless its engine developed enough thrust to overcome the mass of the destroyer, and even if it did, it would take a lot longer to get it moving at any appreciable speed.

A more realistic portrayal of this kind of physics appears in "Similitude" - S03E10 of Star Trek Enterprise. In that episode two shuttlecraft attempt to tow the Enterprise using some kind of overburning technique. It is realistically presented that the larger ship doesn't budge an inch until enough time has passed for the overburning engines to build up enough thrust to overcome the mass of the much heavier starship.

>>81754623
Huh, that's funny, because those were the biggest moments of the film according to everyone else....you got a real neat perspective there, sunshine!

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>>81755662

>>81755290
>A speedboat with a hammerhead specifically designed to ram other boats? Totally believable
the design and purpose of the hammerhead is believable, but it having the capacity to completely displace a 6.5 billion ton ship within 10 seconds is not believable

>It's made of metal, retard. I highly doubt the density of the metal is going to be a factor here.
I know it's made of metal, or more precisely it's made of something called durasteel which is actually stronger than metal. But what do you think happens when you push up against a metal wall with a bullet made of diamond, and that diamond bullet has FTL speed? The wall doesn't get pushed with the bullet, the bullet rips through it like paper.

>You don't make a battering ram by taking diamonds and gluing it onto a car you fucking moron
You can't ram something unless the thing you ram it with is either equal to or stronger than the material that you're pushing. You obviously can't ram a wall made of hardwood with an aluminum soda can because the can will just be crushed into itself.

>And the empire don't give a fuck about cost efficiency
that's not true at all. There are a bunch of things for example that they had to cut back on when designing Darth Vader's suit. Darth fucking Vader, arguably the most important guy out of the whole Empire and they had to cut corners when making his suit.

>>81738466
who are you quoting?

>>81755508
The star destroyer was completely powered down and immobile, not going ahead under engines, retard.

>>81755784
>old canon measurements
>old canon materials

>>81755508

The hammerhead only made the star destroyer spin because of the torque

it was gravity what made it go down

>>81755784

>the design and purpose of the hammerhead is believable, but it having the capacity to completely displace a 6.5 billion ton ship within 10 seconds is not believable

Do you know kamikazes? The hammerhead is literally a kamikaze

>>81755784
>You obviously can't ram a wall made of hardwood with an aluminum soda can because the can will just be crushed into itself.
Huh, this nigga ain't never fired a beer can at a wall out of an air cannon....enuf pressure and she'll cut thru anything, boy.

>>81738433
>what are ion cannons/bombs
>what is vacuum and newton's third law
Redditor baitshitter cancer has been killing /tv/ for some time now. Sage