Why did the west give up on animation?

>>81691760
Amerifat ameriaudiences dont americare

>>81691760
Because it's considered for kids for the most part.
Once it'd be socially acceptable that there are anime for adults with serious tones - it'd be relevant.

>>81691760
Because Amerifats are lazy and untalented

>>81691760

anime is generic and poorly animated

>>81691760
I don't get it, left looks clean and nice

I'm no expert but if I had to guess I'd say its a number of factors including considerable cost to make, limited platforms to air, and a cultural conception that pigeonholed the form into a few very distinct genres (raunchy adult comedy or children's show).

With the amount of Anime that Japan puts out I'd have to guess that they have way more than the like half a dozen channels in the US that air animated content. If you were to have an idea for an animated show today where could you even pitch it? There's Fox which only airs a specific kind of animated sitcom, FX which recently discontinued its animation block (whose shows were produced on shoe-string budgets), CN & Adult Swim, Netflix, Disney & Nick and that's pretty much it.

>>81691760
i saw the first heavy metal in for ages and fuck me it was awesome and wonder why the hell dnt we see western animation do this level anymore

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>>81691845
>says that while western 2D animation is full of dogshit like squiggly arms because they cant be bothered or are unable to do limbs properly

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Art quality =/= animation quality

>>81692115
I mean it as a whole

>>81692096

western animation features different styles and techniques

Japanese animation just copies one generic style and just all starts to blend, Its getting better but they were basically just ripping off american action movies in the 80s and 90s, now you have plebs who think ghost in the shell is original and not a rippoff of bladerunner and dribble shit about "eastern philosophy"

That budget factors in the amount the Simpsons VAs are paid, which is a fuckton.

>>81691760
a large chunk of that budget is voice actor salary

>Dan Castellaneta, Julie Kavner, Nancy Cartwright, Yeardley Smith, Hank Azaria, and Shearer’s salaries have fluctuated many times since The Simpsons premiered in 1989. They earned a measly $30,000 per episode until 1998, when it was bumped to $125,000. After threatening to strike in 2004, their pay was increased to reportedly somewhere between $250,000-$360,000, and again in 2008, when the per-episode salary went to $400,000.

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>>81692217
>western animation features different styles and techniques

sure

there are japanese animation with different styles too you know, likev Mind Game or Tekkonkinkreet

>>81691760
What's ironic is that US outsources everything to China and Japan outsources everything to Korea and US STILL costs more. How do they do it? How much money do (((they))) pocket on every movie release?

>>81692095
I do believe the animation style from Heavy Metal is a pain in the ass to do but then again it is what they are paid to do. Made movies could do like Heavy Metal and have different studios doing different parts of the movie. Anyways Heavy Metal is an awesome movie.

Heavy Metal 2000 wasnt nearly as good but it ties well in to the other related material that is the comics and the game

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>>81692296
>$400,000
>per episode

>>81692339
i dont see that level of detail in anime any more ether
remember seeing the starship macross for the first time and the detail blew my 10 year old mind

>>81692193
anime animation quality is shit for most scenes and then every show blows it's budget on the main fights in the first episode and the finale

>>81692217
>Japanese animation just copies one generic style
Even if you're a typical amerifat, surely you've seen Dragon Ball and Mononoke and can tell the difference.

>>81692296
they got 30k for 1 episode in 1998? Isnt that like 20 episodes a year? 600k for one season of voice acting?

>>81692296
>a measly $30,000 per episode


is this how kikes think?

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5 centimeters per second was kino desu

>>81692115
Weeb=shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6Q6y4-qKac

>>81692422
>>81692115
Studio ghibli's animation quality is fucking miles ahead of anything produced by westerners. Their most expensive movies still only cost 30 millions$

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>>81692096
>claiming Western animation is inferior
Laughing my butt off for real.
Enjoy your inflexible 10FPS copy-and-paste trash.

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>>81692492
probably my favourite romance movie in general tbqh.

Really hit home for me on so many levels... fuck I think I'm going to watch it again tonight

>quality of animation is indicative of the quality of the film overall

I'm not trying to defend the simpsons movie, it's not great, but your photo is stupidly misleading (probably on purpose though)

>>81692759
animation as a medium though
also >>81692541

>>81692296
>measly $30,000 per episode until 1998

There were 203 episodes between the show starting and 1998

That's $6,090,000

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>>81691760
>still hasn't realized that Hollywood inflates the price of everything to dodge taxes

>>81692673
Yeah, I also had remembered memories of a long distance relationship which ended in a bitter breakup for me when I watched it.

It was also my first breakup in an overly long list of breakups reaching up well to double digits.

Any more good long distance relationship-kino or breakup-kino?

>>81692296
>only get a pay raise when the show goes to shit

>>81692298
"Then" meaning a span of 50 years

>>81692043
>Netflix

Netflix is getting more and more into the anime business these days. They grabbed exclusive rights to LWA.

Amazon is jumping in too.

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I like how Japan can make something as simple as an autist eating look very pretty and arousing. This is the problem with modern western animation, everything has to be crude, simple, and goofy.

>>81692541
Not really, but yes, Ghibli has great animation. They actually animate in twos (12 fps), like it's common in the west, unlike what has been standard in anime which is in threes. That's also why their movies cost a lot more.

>>81693224
>I like how Japan can make something as simple as an autist eating look very pretty and arousing

Just kill yourself

>>81691760
The Simpsons Movie was hand-drawn, bud.

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>>81693294
Stay mad /co/

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>implying that you need good animation to have a good show

>>81692508
You say, on a website created to discuss anime

>>81692296
30k an episode? That's a fuckton of money. 2 episodes and they make more money in 1989 than I do a year in 2017

>>81693224
I like hpw the west can make something as simple as a family man eating look funny and comedic. This is the problem with Eastern animation, everything has to be sexual, cute and arousing

>>81693380
forgot video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvLKVcEACls

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everything in the west looka like a shit

flat and clunky

>>81693296
>being hand drawn is now somehow an achievement for western

so was the majority of 5cm per sec im pretty sure

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>>81693224

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>>81691760
money

>>81693574
Now THAT'S animation.

Post 2008 cartoons are extremely shit.

>>81693453
Incredible cherry picking you got there. Soulless major studio releases vs the most critically acclaimed films of the style

Besides, western animation is all about movement and fluidity, whereas Japanese anime tends to focus on beauty within a single frame.
In other words, you can't capture Western animation with a still. That's retarded.

>>81693224
>I like how Japan can make something as simple as an autist eating look very pretty and arousing.

Fuckin weeb. Why does a person eating have to get you hard? This is the problem with Jap shit, they're such base perverts. I'd rather watch some childrens cartoon that'll make me laugh than some weeb shit with nothing but fan service and generic fights

>>81693453
What's the top left one on the Jap side

2:15 of this video sums up the difference between American and Japanese animation

https://youtu.be/iMFMa8B4ovM

>>81693738
paprika

>>81693574
>>81693727
they don't make 'em like they used to.
>>81693738
Paprika

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>>81693727
You'd have to really love drawing to do this shit.

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Who knows, who cares?

>>81693492
That's not how you eat burgers. Besides, this kind of shit is just for filler. Why bother with plot when you can have 30 seconds of some girls eating hamburgers? In Western Animation, there is shit happening constantly. IN Anime it's filled with lots of still shots and filler to bulk out the time.

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>>81693648
>whereas Japanese anime tends to focus on beauty within a single frame.

>>81693224
Her mouth doesn't even contort while she is eating. That is not how eating works

Unions made it too expensive

>>81691760

It doesn't matter anyway since they are both drawn by North Koreans

>>81693832
>some girls eating hamburgers?
>waste of time
wrong

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Brace yourselves

>>81693851
I just told you she's autistic, she's trying to figure out how to eat it, so she's just fumbling around

>>81693356
I say, on the board /tv/.

Classic dumb weeb argument? Saying I hate weebshit because it's shit is still discussion of anime too, you fucking retard.

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>>81693224
But I don't give a shit about that when I could just read doujins instead.

>>81693848
You really proved me wrong by providing a single example when I was talking about a general trend.
>inb4 you post another anime webm

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>>81693882
Or whatever. Not specifically that. Anime has loads of bulk. .Hack//SIGN has loads of filler where it's just close ups of peoples faces grunting or gasping when they're thinking or come to a conclusion. When there is talking (which is 95% of the show) there is often just a still frame with barely perceptible lip movement. This happens in all anime.

>>81693972
That's a boy, isn't it?

>>81693851
It's to make it look "cute". Same reason why they don't bother drawing noses anymore.

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>>81693942
i couldnt make out what it was at first

>mfw I saw it

I am in no way a weeb or anything so I'll ask here: Why is anime animated at such a low framerate?

>>81694024
No they don't because it's extra effort. All anime, even praised and famous stuff, has shit quality scenes.

>>81694045
Nip eyes can only see 20fps.

>>81694045
plebshit tier anime have very short development cycles

they dont have the time or manpower or money

its not by choice

>>81694045
Because asians can only draw tween frames.

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>>81694045

>>81694045
Because they outsource all the in-between frames to people working for slave wages.

>>81693942
why the fuck would someone do that?

>>81694090
Powerpoint slideshows*

>>81691760

In the US animation is a genre (cartoon), not a medium.

>>81694045
Low budgets and relatively short production times. In the early days of anime, there were attempts at full animation in some features but limited animation was well-suited to the resource constraints of TV anime. It works well with good timing and spacing anyway so any animator worth their salt are able to create appealing motion regardless of how many drawings they use.

>>81693942
I don't get it, I mean it can't be that ba-
>I see it

FUCKING REE. I can already picture the square rim glasses and Game Grumps pin that cunt would be wearing.

>>81694022
>That's a boy, isn't it?
Nope

>>81691804
Because it is for kids. With animation, you can get away with a lot of ridiculous bs. Ridiculous proportions like bug eyes and big heads, silly physics.

You go use animation if you want to subvert reality.

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Drawing is dead

>>81693358
I think that's 30k between all of them.

>>81694045
time and money basically movies get better treatment than TV obviously

>>81693727
>>81693774
these are literally cream of the crop western animation though, almost everyone abandoned animation in the west and went for the 3D meme, nobody has produced anywhere near golden age disney/Don Bluth-tier animation for at least 20 years.

>>81694022
>Raita
>boy (male)

start up your google, you are getting a wild ride tonight

>Time and money is the reason why weebshit is 20 fps

Has anyone told them about flash? (^:

>>81694045
OVAs have great animation

>>81694225
>animator's survival kit

was just about to post this, all modern """""""art"""""" that is produced without actual technical skill should be purged.

>>81693574
>ORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORA

>>81694261
Flash tweening looks like ass. Limited animation on the other hand can still look good with the right timing as posing of the drawings.

>>81691760
left: unique artstyle
right: same commercial artstyle seen in billion other anime

>>81694225
If only he could work a bit faster...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HR4Junqmzg

>>81693942
>barely visible pencil drawing
they're both crap desu ne

maybe paint over that shit and stop drawing on the walls like 5 year olds

>>81694204
>Fiction and Surrealism is only for kids

You are the reason why everything is wrong

>>81691802
Ameridon't*

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Why are you anime haters so against cute animation?

>>81694486
They're from Reddit

>>81694225
>people sloppily taping garbage on their face is considered art

At first it seemed like modern art was just a competition to see who had the least amount of technical skill, now it just seems like a competition to see who could put in the least amount of effort.

>>81691760
In all fairness, most of that money prolly didn't go into the animation but the writers and voice actors and sheit.

>>81691760

30fps vs 2 fps

>>81694583
>most of that money prolly didn't go into the animation but the writers

That offends me even more if we're talking about the Simpsons movie.

>>81692298
>mentioning Star Vs

Except Star vs the Forces of Evil is the best show ever created. While that itself may be subjective, its romance aspect is the best of any show ever shown. That much is true.

>>81694603
>30fps
hello /v/eddit

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>>81694513
>They're from Reddit

and adventuretime/rick&morty/SU/MLP/the thing with the blue cat isn't?

>>81694276
Examples anon?
Im quite curious

>>81692217
Ghost in the Shell predates Blade Runner by 20 years you moron.

>>81694644
S T A R D U S T
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Why is Japan so much better at drawing feet than America?

>>81694641
Im saying the Anime haters are from reddit you moron

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>>81694684
oh, my apologies. have a smug anime girl reaction image.

>>81694631
>its romance aspect is the best of any show ever shown.

Agreed. It's a shame though people tend to judge the show by its "simple" animation style. Spectacular Spider Man had the same thing, great story, but people dismissed its character designs.

This is how you do it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaDvCEL8Dyk

Traditional animation was done with essentially slave labor, now you can't really do it anymore and we're stuck with computershit forever.

Deep down, the american is a child that doesn't want to grow up. That is why they produce and consume copious amounts of media which in other places like europe would be considered for children, like all that capeshit and now the Disney-made Star Wars which is even more dumbed down (at least the original trilogy had A BIT of maturity to it). They don't even consider the idea of serious, mature animation. Even "adult" animation like South Park is essentially childish, just with mature themes, which even more clearly shows this concept of making children's entertainment aimed at adults.

America has produced a whole generation of internet reviewers like Douge who will in all seriousness discuss the artistic merits of children's cartoons, not from the point of view of having liked it as a child and appreciating it's value as good children's entertainment, no, they actually talk like they still truly enjoy watching it.

America has pioneered the use of 3D animation, starting with Toy Story, without ever being able to dissociate this kind of animation from infantile themes and films directed mainly at children. These movies have been huge moneymakers, in fact all of the important blockbusters lately are essentially kid's movies. It's impossible that such movies could ever get to that point without being thoroughly enjoyed by other parts of the population.

That is also why american media is popular in other countries: People like to be treated like children, have their story and messages pre-cut and pre-chewn so that it will all go down easy. But in Europe for example they don't make movies like that, because they're unable to. Europeans are unable to make their entertainment so child-friendly because it needs a child to turn an adult movie into a children's movies. American media is popular because it appeals to the lowest common denominator.

When will america grow up?

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>>81691760
Capitalism. Because they get so much money, they don't have to try. That's why shows like Powerpuff Girls came back (even CN said for merchandise), and why shows liek Sym-Bionic Titans were cancelled (lack of merchandise sales). As long as money gets made, the quality will go down because the general public doesn't know any better.

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>>81694182
>>81694253
>not a boy

Goodie.

>>81694652
>Blade Runner - 1982
>GitS - 2017
Sure, buddy :^)

>>81694863
kek

>>81694652
Ghost in the shell came out in 95 lol

They're both pretty shit movie's though so who cares?

>>81694913
Ghost in the Shell started in 1972.

>>81692296
>>81692463
>>81692980
Remember the $6 million!

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>>81694863
Uh, check again retard

>Blade Runner - 2019
>GitS - 2017

>>81694913
One of them has an interesting setting that poses philosophical questions, even though the plot is very thin and little more than an excuse to show us this strange, different world.

The other one is Blade Runner which is utter shit.

>>81692463
>tfw I don't make 30.000 a year
>measly
>for doing some voices on a cartoon show
fuck this gay jewish earth

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>>81691760
So Homer should've looked like this?

Why would they ever change the animation style?

That would be like taking your favorite shit weeb anime and making a movie that looks like The Simpsons style...

I'm aware this thread is bait but IDGAF the responses in this thread are fucking moronic.

>>81694841
Is this a fifth reboot?

>>81694839
is this some dank new pasta or are you legit autistic?

Why do people enjoy blade runner? That whole movie is just the biggest wasted potential.

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>>81694948
>Ghost in the Shell (Japanese: 攻殻機動隊 Hepburn: Kōkaku Kidōtai?, "Mobile Armored Riot Police") is a Japanese media franchise originally published as a seinen manga series of the same name written and illustrated by Masamune Shirow. The manga, first serialized in 1989 under the subtitle of The Ghost in the Shell, and later published as its own tankōbon volumes by Kodansha, told the story of the fictional counter-cyberterrorist organization Public Security Section 9, led by protagonist Major Motoko Kusanagi, in the mid-21st century of Japan.

>>81692096
American """animation"""
>while the episodes' design and coloring are done in Burbank, California, animation is handled in South Korea by either Rough Draft Korea or Saerom Animation.[46][47]

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>even cereal has fallen to the CalArts plague

>>81695289
>children's cereal mascot is designed to appeal to children
Oh no!

>>81691760
Both look like shit

>>81693831
Most of those frames are drawn by low-paid nobodies. The numbers with circles were probably drawn by a higher-up animator, then the plebs would draw the 'inbetween' frames. Same as with Anime.

>>81691760
>implying Koreans don't draw our stufff

>>81694261
The nips use horrible CG instead of flash

>>81692298
it's easier to animate on a computer with a basic shape and in the case of Gravity Falls more attention is given to the plot which cartoons like Looney Toons didn't have don'tn get me wrong Looney Toons is fucking awesome but it's just basic bits

>>81691760
same reason more and more japanese animation studios have been, too expensive to do things the old way.

>>81695289
>Calarts

That's called beanface, anon. Some anon on /co/ tracked down the guy who designed the nu-Lucky, he went to some art college in Argentina

>>81691760
Do you guys know if a budget also covers the cost of getting the show on air? If so, maybe thats why the quality is so poor. Regardless, there are shitty examples on both ends.

>>81692043
I'd go with CN if I wanted to be able to present outrageous ideas or ridiculous commentary that might offend, while being allowed to have whatever style I wanted on a tiny budget. I'd go with Netflix to have a real budget with a little less freedom, considering Netflix does nothing artsy-fartsy or over the top.

Maps don't even animate mouths to make the words out. It's either flapping or wide open.

Everyone gave up on animation. The Japanese have been in decline since the introduction of cg, as it's cost saving has led to lazy animation and techniques that are lost art. Vehicle animation was the first to go, with reusable cgi models killing the beautiful hand drawn mecha animation of the past to save a few bucks.

>>81696645
>Maps
Japs *

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Anime is literally made for lonely virgins

>>81694204
That's only one of many uses for animation, though. It eliminates certain budgetary constraints. Alejandro Jodorowsky even specifically wants his treatment of Dune to be animated.

>>81696682
A handful of french are trying to keep it alive

>>81692574
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsMTpSDAGxM

>>81694451
lmao this. if you really want a care free studio vibe get a fun wallpaper. wall scribbles will never look coherent with one another

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>>81693942
Life is suffering

>>81691760
UM, have you ever heard of Pixar?

>>81697016
Computer animation isn't real animation, underage.

>>81696937

Lastman was cartoon of the damn year, France did it again

>>81693621
>Post 2008 cartoons are extremely shit.
nah it started with those psychopath cartoons around 2000,
Cartoon Network's "What-a-cartoon" and Cow and chicken and Ren and Stimpy

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>>81693942
whoever did this should be jailed for life

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Hand drawn animation is amazing, but I really like how much of the technology in CG animation is actually simulation based.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvZR8a3oomE

>>81694314
[muffled muda]

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>>81691760

Because they cannot beat the east at literally anything. Even the Simpsons was drawn by Korean sweat shop animators.

>>81691760
Because the West has no standards. They'll eat up any garbage you serve them.

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>>81691760

This shit never cease to make me laugh.

It's even more funny when you know that anime industry annual revenue is around 18 billion $ when Hollywood is around 38 billion $.

Imagine how much more money they actually make considering how cheap anime is to produce compared to Hollywood movies.

>>81691760
>left is 24 frames per second
>right is 2 frames per ten seconds
>left is also 10 years old
Why didn't you pick princess and the frog?

>>81692296
And this is why you get so many fucking Lisa episodes, the bitch only does one voice so they have to use her all the time.

I feel that although a lot of western cartoons have less "detail" they each have a more unique aesthetic

Where anime feels very same-y and has a case of only animating a few very small parts of characters and the environment

>>81697866
If you don't know that the right is older than the left, then you don't know what the right is so you could not have watched it. If you didn't watch it, then you can't have any idea about what "FPS" it is, you retarded /v/ermin.

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>>81698055

If you don't want people to correct your mistakes, you can go back to your reddit hugbox anytime.

>>81693848
Sauce on anime?

>>81694675
fuck off Okitafag

>>81696199
>The nips use horrible CG instead of flash
This, have you seen the new Beserk?

>>81698119
>You will immediately cease and not continue to access the site if you are under the age of 18.

The original Disney's Beauty and the Beast >>>>> A(utism)nime.

>>81693648

https://sakugabooru.com/post/show/6879

>>81696199
Is new Arthur flash animation?

>>81698361
>Look, I've got an exception! Haha! See, you saying most is now invalid since I showed you one of the few that differs from the norm!
Anime is mostly hot ass.

>>81698055
>thread is "why is modern western animation so shit"
>Cherry picks a Simpsons movie from a decade ago instead of something like Princess and the frog
Kys weeb

>>81698471
Do you lack reading comprehension? I didn't make the thread and both movies in the OP are 10 years old. Every post you've made so far has been nonsense shitposting.

>Kys

Kill yourself back to twitter you underage nigger.

>>81698553
>le nigger!
>le underage!
>stop shitposting!!!!!
Not an argument

>>81698604
There you go with the nonense shitposting again. Arguing with children isn't a good idea. This will be my last reply to you, savor it.

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Nothing will ever top Richard Williams.

>>81693326
This show was beyond shit.

Adult Swim in general was a mistake.

How's the actual animation of the one on the right and not the art style? 'Cause I know that the Korean-animated Simpsons moves their lips to the words in a proper manner, instead of opening their mouths long enough to help you pretend vaguely like pretty much all anime. How do the backgrounds move and interact? How much of it is still-frame with a pan in one direction?

>>81691760
you really think that simpsons money went into the animation, it went to the voice actors and groening and you know who else

>>81698439

Literally every show made by that studio looks this good.

>>81698804
>looks
The thread is about animation, not art style, dweeb. Need a dictionary?

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>tfw professional animator
>/co/ is always super defensive and willfully ignorant of how bad things have gotten and will keep lying about how cartoons made for babies are just as good as anime
>most of your coworkers are infantile manchildren and ladybabies who make everything worse and have no work ethic, the reason that cgi has gotten so pervasive isnt that it sells more, its that 2d animators in america dont know how to do their fucking job anymore
>/tv/ of all places is the only place that will call a spade a spade

>>81698704
AS is what you get when you turn over a programming block to the fedoras. Running Cowboy Bebop for over a decade was something of a milestone - it was like a piece of the pre 9/11 era that lived on like a zombie.

>>81698845
He didn't say anything about artstyle.

>>81698901
He also didn't post an example of the animation, just pictures of the two.

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Anime as only enjoyable in the 70s to the 90s. Modern anime and really modern animation is garbage due to everything being digital.

>>81698925
He was responding to>>81698439 who was responding to>>81698361 , they were no longer talking about the image here>>81693453

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>>81693942
It didn't even have to completely load for me to be mad.

>>81693679
lmao stay mad pussy

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>>81693694
>This is the problem with Jap shit, they're such base perverts.
This

>>81694232
It isn't

>>81694253
You should watch Song of the Sea or just any European animation, the whole world isn't poisoned by the amerikan anti-culture yet

>>81699000
The original comment he responded to had a point, most anime has pretty backdrops and a half decent art style, but the actual animation is lazy to non-existent. A lot of choppy movements, no emphasis on the mouth to let you know this isn't a dubbed kung-fu flick, a lot of pan shots of one frame, a lot of scenes where characters never need to blink, fights that consist of blurs because "they're too fast", and a whole lot of lazy garbage.

Fact is, there are only a few examples of good animation from Japan, even if there's a handful of good art examples. The OP and that poster seem to have confused the two.

What are some shows with the LAZIEST animation?

>>81698439

If you don't even know KyoAni it means you know shit about anime. All their shows look like that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtssLWT0QLo

And those are TV series not movies.

>>81699501
60's marvel shows
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suin9FaBCxY
remember this is a year after Jonny Quest which was pretty good

>>81699509
Pan Shot: The Show

Shit animation, half decent art.

>>81699644
This is a lazy man's wet dream. Three pictures per show.

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>>81699501
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTQI_XjoSSY

>>81691760
The only thing this picture proves is Japan pays their animators slave wages. Wow, go Nippon!

>>81693648

The thing is nips really perfected how to make cheap shows without some crazy animation look good.

Look at this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pRcLVLu6H8

It's a low budget series. No amazing animation everywhere but it looks good.

Compare that to flash shit west makes these days.

>>81699779
But the thread topic is animation, not how styled the show is.

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>Anime then

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>>81700629
>anime now
Face it - anime is nearly as fucked as western toonz, but it's zombie corpse doesn't know it's dead.

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These were the days.

>>81693215
Amazon going for more hardcore audience actually

>>81692115
Don't show me fucking love live

>>81693294
Cartoons and comics

>>81693117
Your Name

Now fuck off, namecuck

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>>81691760
You can say whatever you want about Ralph Bakshi, but this shit needs to come back.

>>81698196
Nadia The Secret of Blue Water

the show itself is fairly average and the ending is shit but it has its own team rocket and they're great.

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dragonball super is the best example

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>>81704306
>ani-stream

Why do weaboos pick the gayest looking anime when they try to argue for how bad american animation is?

>>81700676
This

Some anime is good but the majority of it is fapbait moe crap designed to sell figures to NEETs

Just as cancerous as CalArts flash animated crap in the west

>>81699779
Knowing there are people out there who get goosebumps watching crap like this makes me cringe

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Fleischer was a god
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDMQ3tXNKgM

>>81694948
What an idiot. If you knew a single thing about GitS or cyberpunk you'd know Japan straight up copied the west and didn't pick up cyberpunk until Americans were starting to get tired of it.
Cyberpunk is an inherently American genre.
There is very little about GitS that is original.

>>81693356
Newfag, moot made this site because he was banned for not discussing anime. Its why /b/ was anime/random.

>>81700676
I can't stand how samey and boring anime is now. It's like every other thing is slice of life garbage, or isekai. Doesn't help that they've started to cut costs by using conspicuous CG that looks awful.

>>81704901

>Fleischer was a god

Correction, the animators working for Fleischer were gods

That said, it's thanks to Fleischer studios that Superman flies instead of jumps.

>>81691760

>Why did the west give up on animation?

Money, it was cheaper to outsource to Japan (and then South Korea).

If you are talking about the actual designs, it's just shitty american artists getting gigs at designing american shows.

Basically every show recently made looks like it was designed by the same person, Star vs Evil, Gravity Falls, Steven Universe etc et al.

>>81704901
I hate the film essay trend, where the speaker uses this slow, self-important cadence

>>81698931
where is this webm from?

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>>81700629
what the fuck happened bros............

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>>81693296
7 hand-drawn years

>>81693453
can someone nap the movies on the zip side?

Well anime is animated every like 5th frame and they work their animators to death and pay the employees in beans
There is a price chart floating around and like 90% of the budget goes to voice actors

>>81694631
fucking interracial, reverse cuck shit
kill yourself sheeple

>>81693574
GIGA DRILL BREAKER!!!!

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>>81704577

It's about 20 times better than fights in Marvel and DC crap.

And it's the Japanese equivalent of those movies.

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>>81700676

Fags like you are seriously retarded.

You pick 2-3 shows made over the span of 15 years and act like that time was the pinnacle of anime.

Good anime are made every year.

>>81694631
>Except Star vs the Forces of Evil is the best show ever created.

This has to be bait.

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>Western cartoons will never have a husbando as based as Reigen
Are they even trying?

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>>81693942

>>81693942
Wow, some lame ass white guy gets covered up, boo hoo.

That original character is built from thousands of Patreon bucks and literally minutes of thought, she's a tomboy space warrior princess (who would totally be gay if the fascists at CN would let dildos and sexuality in TVY7 cartoons aimed at children).

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>>81694109
hey i love yua but that's cherrypicking of the highest order

>>81691845
i watch it for the story i dont care about animation i like good stories i dont care about visuals

>>81697592
What's this from?

>>81698873
/co/ eats up shit like Star vs the Forces of Evil, what were you expecting?

Do a Thomas Romain and get really good at something like background art so you can get hired by a good production house in Japan.

>>81693324
heh, that show is awful

>>81694631
you must be 18+ to post here enjoy your ban

>>81708256
Black Lagoon

>>81693356
d-don't criticize muh escapism!

>>81693453
>hating on Up and Samurai Jack

No taste.

NO.

TASTE.

>>81693453
99% of eastern animation is pure garbage. terrible CGI, rotoscoping, cel shading, etc.

>>81708262
Anime isn't better. It's laughable how weebs defend their bottom of the barrel entertainment.

>>81708314
Thanks

>>81693356
Weebs=/=anime fans

Weebs think anime is real life

>>81692217
Western animation today is either CGI or looking like a flash cartoon on Newgrounds 10 years ago

>>81708034
God, so much of modern anime is so annoying to look at. I'd still rather keep my eyes on the left panel versus the stuffy claustrophic new right.

>>81691760

The right has fantastically drawn art yes but it has very little animation to it

>>81708034
I know it's a bait image but most shows on the right look like shit anyway.

>>81708379
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ8SLAEmyCI

>24fps

>>81708235
You like good stories and you watch anime? Most anime barely have a story.

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Member when Western animation WAS Japanese animation?

Western ideas, Japanese talent.

>>81691760
Clearly you haven't seen Rick and Morty.

>>81708693
Kids born in the 90's just don't know, man.

The Transformers movie, series like Galaxy Rangers, things like that. Brilliantly over-the-top 80's ideas married up to god-tier Japanese mechanical design and aesthetic sensibilities.

>>81708607
Ah yes, the same few films and shows that are 20+ years old. They release 120 new shows every year and you can't show even one new one that looks good and interesting.
Truly a great medium.

>>81707982

Doesnt make it any less cringy.

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>>81691760
Because we have to pay the share holders. 90% of wealth generated by The Simpsons needs to go to Fox, it's only fair.

Theres few anime that deserve to be seen.

This one is one of those few.

https://youtu.be/tlPYoycsvAQ?t=92

>>81708928
It's overrated. I don't think it's wort watching all episodes.

>>81709060

Sure, ADHD kids these days cant handle the amount of episodes in these series.

Given thats your case I'd suggest the newest moe stuff thats hot on My anime list or that dragon maid thing thats so popular.

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>>81709102
Please, LoGH can't compete with modern anime.

>>81708813
You really don't get it, do you?

If every Japanese production had Amercian budgets thrown at them, they would look like this. Honestly it amazes me that the animated component of most Japanese stuff looks as good as it does when tight budgets and deadlines force them to animate mostly on threes. Masami Obari has a huge bag of tricks for getting the most out of limited animation, I find it more impressive than what Westerners who get at least 12fps on every project push out nowadays.

Dragon OP by Obari (he animated the entire thing by himself) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ihan--Rg4Y

He's still working today.

>>81709102
It's just not good enough. Weak characters, the plot gets really stupid after 50 episodes, full of right wing propaganda.

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Can western animation fulfill my lust for shota traps?

>>81709201
Whatever. Anime biggest problem isn't the animation, but derivative stories, terrible character, uninspired designs and so on.

>>81692043

How about Comedy Central? I know they have loads of liberals and shit, but Matt and Trey does whatever they fuck they want (except Mohammed it turns out).

>>81708394
This.

>>81709317
Gee, could that be maybe because Japan is in a decades-long recession/economic slump/demographic collapse? They go where the money is. In the 80's the could afford to be experimental and make high-concept sci-fi about galactic wars and giant robots.

Honestly as much as jaded people like to shit on things like JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, One Punch Man, etc I'm glad there's still some corner of the industry doing something other than moeshit.

>>81707564
What's the point of voice actors when their crappily animated mouths don't even move to the wor-

Oh, right, weebs buy merch if their cartoons sound like babies having orgasms.

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>>81692298
Oh my god! Fuck modern animation!

>>81708197
sauce?

>>81709387
Yeah shonen that start as a parody then get more serious as they make money are the peak of creativity.

>>81708034
>Dissing OG Gundam

Nigga...

>>81709387
"Moeshit" isn't even a top seller. Hinako Note is a flop compared to what's really selling this season.

>>81709387
It doesn't really matter who's fault is this. Anime industry is just terrible and weebs are the last people who shouldcriticize Western cartoons or Hollywood.

>>81708928
>>>/pol/

and stay there autist

>>81709478
I never said they were...

At least OPM has some good animation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEKsTNv2ecs

The thing with using squares in perspective to represent fragmentation/destruction of objects is a fairly recent innovation, apparently.

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>>81698761
MUH FUCKING DICK

>>81709478
I've only seen the first season of OPM and don't "read" manga. It doesn't actually start taking itself seriously, does it?

>>81693942
Roasties need to be taken out of the work place.

>>81709387
Tbh there's still some anime doing experimental shit. Peguindrum, Kyousougiga and Flip Flappers are some recent examples too bad they all flopped

>>81709674
Read the manga before the anime made it flavour of the month. The answer is... kind of?

It becomes more serious in the way Venture Bros became more serious, at least in my opinion. The humour is still there but the characters have developed to a point where you actually care about the story, and apparently so does the creator.

>>81709531
Good. Finally.

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>>81693412
Classic. That was hilarious.

>>81693574
>all that forced animation

>>81709869
>Penguindrum flopped

Aww man. It wasn't my thing but the animation was great.

>>81694465
>Fiction and Surrealism is only for kids
>You are the reason why everything is wrong
I think a lot of millennials can only deal in the former, because of the way they were taught in school, and that is the reason for the latter. We have more and more people living in the "clouds" (pun intended) and less people living using practical applied means.

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>>81693574
Awesome!

>>81710041
You can see direct evidence of this in how most Western artists, even the skilled ones involved in production pipelines either don't study, or don't attempt to apply their study, of life drawing any more. Gesture, line of action, weight distribution, understanding of three-dimensional volumes in perspective, etc are all valuable skills the discipline teaches which are increasingly absent in modern Western entertainment art.

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really makes you think

>>81694652
this...blade runner hasnt even come out wtf?

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>>81694204
Yeah, for kids.

>>81697426
yo this fucking channel is crazy bro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83eGcht7IiI

>>81695032
It's the only reboot.

Why do westerners watch Japanese cartoons aimed at children and manchildren?

>>81693727
any more like that?

those annotations along the right edge are interesting

>>81710207
Bullshit. Japanese animation is fucking awful.

>>81694314
i was about to post that

>>81693224
>everything has to be crude, simple, and goofy

That's just Americans being themselves.

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>>81694225
Yikes. That's depressing.

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>>81694225
Jesus, that is depressing.

>>81706111
Birdy the Mighty

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>>81699644

>cap fucks up Red Hulk

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>>81691760
>comparing a sitcom that no one watches for it's animation with a Jap cartoon that is entirely about the visuals
What did the weeb mean by this?

>>81709317

Maybe you should watch something that isn't generic trash for teens like SAO or Naruto?

Oh wait, you never would because you are just a retard hating on a medium you obviously know shit about.

>>81698761
damn i wish i were that chair :X :X

>>81709387
>maybe because Japan is in a decades-long recession/economic slump/demographic collapse?

Anime industry is growing over 10% for years now. Breaking all records every year.

It was literally never is such a good state.

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>>81695289
Jesus Christ that is fucking hideous! Why did they kill off the original Lucky??

>>81693694

Show me TV anime as perverted as GoT.

You fags are hilarious sometimes.

>>81710135
Western 2d animation is dead, no doubt about it. The japs have a few more years left till anime industry dies, or hopefully abandons moeshit and manages to appeal to a more mainstream audience here in the west.

>>81710680
Thank you kind stranger

>>81691760
Western animation is more smooth and polished, Anime is cheap and lazy as fuck. That's why anime characters always stand still and just flap their lips, this is super apperant in anime fight scenes.

Try and find a fight scene from an anime as well animated as this:

https://youtu.be/YwWbkUgigvI

>Pro tip: you won't.

>>81698761
>>81698800
>forced_animation1.webm; forced_animation2.webm

>>81698761
Holy shit...

>>81711548
are you even trying?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-53Bnu1ekQ