Hey, pally. I just finished the best Star Trek series. Is anything

>>81589987
You can skip voyager but you should give ENT a sitting for Jeffrey Combs. One sitting.

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>chad
>chad
>blacked
>sucking dick
Does /tv/ not have mods or are you all complete faggots on this board? I thought I'd make a legit thread, only to find this entire board is cucked. You make me sick.

>>81602388
Weyoun? Excellent.

>>81601741
No, you should kill yourself right now

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>>81602388
Don't fall for this meme. Voyager is comfy as fuck.

>>81601741
voyager is inconsistent, and the worst trek show in my opinion. enterprise can be a tough pill to swallow at first, but it gets much better. also, jeffrey combs plays an Andorian in ENT and is fantastic

DS9 > TNG > ENT > VOY

haven't ranked TOS because i haven't finished it yet

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>>81602444
Yeh, it sucks. Have a bump.

>>81601741
Vic Fontaine was the worst thing in the entire Trek franchise. Even the JJverse hasn't stooped that low.

>>81603673
you take that back

>>81603958
make me

>>81602931
nope, tng > ds9 > ent > tos > voy

>>81604004
TOS+Movies vs. ENT though? I think that TOS is a pretty clear winner.

>>81601741
I can't watch voyager after 3 tries.

enterprise is good, then there's a shitty time travel arc then goat third season that's true early federation 'ventures.

>>81602388
fpbp

>>81602699
five seasons into the show it becomes almost watchable. voyager is a colossal waste of time.

hating Voyager is a meme by people that would hate TOS too if they actually watched it

>>81604029
what I liked most about ENT is that it was set before the real "enlightenment" of the Federation, to the point where they actually compromise their values and rob a civilian transport because the mission was too important

In stark contrast, VOY had Janeway virtue signalling at every possible opportunity, constantly giving up opportunities to get her crew home, for whom she is responsible for, because she was obsessed with upholding the idealistic Federation values, even when they are 70,000 light years from Fed space

>>81604075
Voyager legitimately isn't good. It's not as bad as people make it out but it isn't good. I remember it used to play on saturday nights after TNG reruns when I was a young man. I fell asleep to it a lot, pretty comfy show all around but nothing in it ever mattered.

>>81604075
i've seen everything star trek ever made that isn't fan shit. voyager is terrible until seven shows up, then it's just bad.

>>81601741

Honest answer; No.

I've watched everything and looking back objectively the best possible experience is watch TOS, watch TNG, watch DS9 and then stop there and never watch a single episode of anything else.

>>81604075
I've watched most of TOS and it is better than VOY

The plots are pretty decent in VOY but the characters are what drags it down. TOS has good characters, VOY has shit characters, simple as that

>>81604075

Voyager is not only terrible, it's the low point for the entire franchise. It is absolutely embarrassingly bad. Even Enterprise, bad as it is, and it is BAD has some redeeming qualities if you watch far enough in. Voyager is bad from start to fucking finish, stinking bad.

>>81604029
>that one ENT episode with Trip (chief engineer) and Malcolm (tactical officer) marooned in a shuttle, slowly suffocating, and thinking that Enterprise was destroyed, coming to terms with their deaths and talking about their wishes and regrets

wasn't ready for all those feels

>>81604243
>>81604234
Yep, as bad as ENT is and as badly as producers meddled with the entire fucking concept the characters were pretty fucking good when they got a chance to be 3D

>>81604261
at first I hated the concept, but it allowed them to explore some ideas that they couldn't in TNG or VOY; Archer wasn't guided by Federation ideals or policy, just his own moral compass, and sometimes he had to compromise his ideals to save the most amount of people, so it had a very different feel to every other Trek show.

Love it or hate it, at least they tried to do something different with the universe rather than yet ANOTHER TNG or VOY (which sounds like what Star Trek Discovery is gonna be)

>>81604341
after season 1 though you could tell they were trying to rein it back into something they could understand. Selling the show on Bakula and dad rock and then banning Bakula from being Bakula.

>dude space 911 happened the federation better fuck everyone until earth is safe lol.

I honestly feel bad trying to convince people how bad Voyager is because when I was watching it when it aired I literally convinced myself it was good. Completely convinced myself. I would defend it if people talked shit about it.

It was only later when I looked back with clarity I saw how truly awful it was. And it is incredibly awful. On every level.

It helped me understand how easy it is to lose objectivity so I got something out of it. To the people still trapped in the Voy delusion I say; break free. Breathe the free air again my friends.

>>81604234
hello reԁԁit

Does the show get better after the first 4 episodes or is that a good indication of the overall quality of the entire show?

>>81604455
Which? ENT is middling quality until you hit Shran then it's just a race to the next Shran ep until the series is over and you're left Shranless.

>>81604455

Which show? ENT? Takes a while, a lot longer than four episodes.

VOY? Never. It's it literally a sunk costs fallacy simulator.

>>81601741
In my experience, no. Everything else is just extra Trek if you want it.

Voyager takes place in the same time period but in a completely different quadrant. It never achieves the camaraderie of earlier Treks.

Literally everything else is a prequel. Even the new show is set is the past. Again, not saying it's awful but it's not require viewing imo.

Will Paramount ever have the balls to create a post dominion war Trek?

>>81601741
I could not stand Vic Fontaine. That shit was so fucking bad.

DS9 is pretty good. But some stuff was just bad. Most of Bashir's stories, the Odo and Kira "romance" that was so fucking forced, every Kira episode not dealing with Cardassians, endless shitty mirror universe episodes, etc.

>>81605424
I don't get this meme. What was so bad about him? People treat him like he was some Wesley-tier character.

>>81607731
The actor was kind of shit, even though they had a few good episodes with him (particularly Only a Paper Moon) that wasn't because of him but on the strength of the other actors

He's also kind of weird because they do the whole "sentient (?)" hologram later much better in the Doctor.

>>81601741
Look up a list of must-watch episodes for Voyager, there's decent stuff in there but there's almost zero continuity throughout the series so it doesn't matter if you don't watch half of it. Do the same for Enterprise (which leaves even less episodes for that, but that's okay)

>>81607775
The sentient hologram had already been done a ton in TNG.

Moriarty obviously, but also that guy whos whole village was destroyed so he builds a hologram of everyone and all think they're real.

Vic isn't a particularly intersting sentient hologram though, you're right. Don't hate him though.

>>81608039
Yeah, that's what I mean - it's just weird having this sentient hologram because we KNOW that there's a lot of moral philosophy shit that comes with this, which is just ignored with Vic. If you want that, don't make him sentient.

>>81608119
It's not really ignored, just an easier solution- they pay Quark to just leave it running 24/7 at the end.

Always felt the Moriarty storyline was way more fucked up at the end.

>He thinks he's free but he's not
>Oh well we'll just let him stay there til we *chuckle* work out how he can leave *snort*

>>81601741
Voyager has a few outstanding episodes that rival any other series' best. Get an episode guide.

ENT is complete trash, but a few episodes are worth watching if you appreciate tits.

>>81602699
No, Voyager just sucks.

>>81601741
Babylon 5.

>>81604926
Its way too late now to do post dominion

Best we can hope for is a series like TNG where its DECADES in the future because new viewers wont know the space politics from DS9

>>81608662
Name one VOY episode on par with "In the Pale Moonlight" or "Best of Both Worlds"


inb4
>"Counterpoint"
>"Year of Hell"
>"Equinox"

They are OK at best, they just seem great compared to the rest of Voyager

>>81608778
It annoys me that the Equinox and Year of Hell episodes clearly represent what Voyager SHOULD'VE been

The whole set up of Voyager (lost in space) doesn't really pay off, ever - it's just TNG with less Federation contact

>>81601741

God I Fucking hated Vic. So Fucking annoying and distracting from the main storyline.

>>81608778
You named at least one, here are some more:

Tinker Tenor Doctor Spy
Living Witness
Death Wish

Anyone have a mega of TMP Director's Edition?

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heard y'all niggas talking shit about DS9

we bout to bust a 187 on yo ass, dusty ass weeb motha fuckas

Terek Nor keep it real

>>81601741

Nope.

You are now entering "not as good as" territory.

People will defend and apologize for both series afterwards, rewrite history and state that they were loved in their own way despite what actually happened and never having lived through their airings.

When you see this, you should know something is very wrong. This applies to life as well.

>>81604162
I would include TAS, the first 6 films and First Contact. But that's just my normie opinion.

>>81602699
attempted to trudge through it several times. it's like a bad parody of star trek using scripts that were rejected from other treks for being too stupid. and the titcow is laughable and impossible to take seriously.

the only ep that I can remember was decent was the one where Torres accidentally helps a race of genocidal robots. that was pretty funny

>>81609277
>>>/pol/

>>81601741
Why DOES Sisko SPEAK in SUCH a STRANGE way?

>>81609389
Avery Brooks talks like that in real life, too. Ever seen The Captains (the William Shatner documentary where he visits all the actors who played captains, and then proceeds to just talk about himself every time)? Brooks just seems on another plane constantly.

>>81607731
Wesley at least grew up as a character and had some interesting episodes centered about him, hating him is the meme because of Wheaton and the not so great first two seasons

>>81603989
ur still a faggot

>>81609493
>Wesley at least grew up as a character and had some interesting episodes centered about him

he turned into a weird mary sue super man

>>81602388
>You can skip voyager
Not if you want to post in trek threads. You're obligated to watch it all at least once.
And voyager is the weakest series, but its not all bad. Plus its got dank memes and holodoc.

>>81609277
I'm currently trudging through it and there will be some great episodes but a lot of tedious ones as well. One time and season for I had three or four episodes in a row where someone got possessed and did bad things and I've gotten incredibly tired of the wrongfully accused and convicted trope

>>81609551
>mary sue
>constantly humiliated
>called out by Picard multiple times
>fucked up in multiple episodes

there were no mary sues in TNG, it's not DS9

>>81609457
>Brooks just seems on another plane constantly.
Hes a crazy old Jazz man.

>>81609593
i said turned into, not was from the start, from the start he was just annoying and only got briefly good in The First Duty

the whole traveller shit was horrible

>>81609629
>the traveler shit was horrible
>I am fine with Sisko being engineered space jesus tho

>>81609661
where did i say that?

>>81604004
nope

tos > tng > ds9 > ent > bullshit > voy

>>81609457

Avery Brooks is a legit crazy person, and Patrick Stewart hates the franchise.

>>81609690
I just assumed it

>>81609563
i hate the trope where one character is having visions/wakes up in an alternate reality or another time and has to solve the mystery to return to normal

>>81609727
shit assumption, bruv

>>81609718
I wish Janeway wasn't such a horribly written character, Mulgrew is cool and a good actress with gravitas

>>81609774

It sucks for her, I've tried three times to make myself watch Voyager and I just can't do it.

>>81608778
Scorpion
Coda

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>>81609733
The only time I can remember that happening that I enjoyed it in all of Trek was Picard in kataan

>>81609825
You dont really think those are as good as the best TNG and DS9 episodes

>>81609913
It happened to Riker all the time

>>81607731
Could have been fine if he were a regular from the start, a sentient holographic character is the next logical character exploration after Data.

Nut no, they introduce him in season 7! The final season is the wrong time to be introducing us to new characters. We want to spend time seeing the ultimate resolution for the storylines and characters we've followed for 7 years. Sorry Ezri.

>>81602699

>Voyager is comfy AF.

This right here. Don't listen to the haters.

>>81610091
Fuck I forgot about Ezri

3/4th of season 7 were just about her

I know /tv/ thinks she is cute but she was more annoying and shoehorned in than Vic

>>81610286
to be fair they couldn't really predict that terry farrell would randomly leave for no good reason

>>81610424
There was no reason to focus on Ezri so MUCH in s7 though. She should have transferred off DS9 after the premiere to give Dax some closure and thats it

Dont need 15 episodes about a spastic trill girl

>>81608733
Honestly, this is what I want. Set it a hundred years or so after DS9. Show us how technology has changed and improved. How has the political situation changed? The dominion war really shook up the playing field.

I'm assuming Bajor joined the federation. Ferenginar was on the verge of a socialist reform when we left them. How did Ferengi culture change under Rom's leadership?

How have relations between the Romulans and the Federation changed? They worked together for the first time during the Dominion War, maybe they reach accords like the Klingon Empire did and have open communication and trade.

What kind of society has Cardassia become since the Dominion massacre wiped out much of their culture and population? Garak said it would essentially be a New Cardassia. It's an opportunity to take the species in a whole new direction. Reboot the Cardi's.

And hey, how about the Breen as the recurring antagonists? They were responsible for the first successful attack on Earth in centuries, I doubt relations between the Federation and them would be friendly going forward. They've really yet to be explored as a species. Even their allies hardly knew anything about them.

And maybe relations between the Changelings and the solids have improved and Starflett has a Changeling officer, who has to deal with distrust and lingering animosity over the atrocities of the dominion.

As for the technology, maybe Warp has improved so much that travelling between Quadrants is no longer a matter of years. The entire Star Trek galaxy (Alpha, beta, gamma and delta quadrants) is now more interconnected. You could explore themes of globalization, the upsides and drawbacks.

Maybe Starfleet is beginning their first exploration into different galaxies.

The possibilities for post-dominion Trek are so tantalizing and endless that I'm pissed that we're getting another damn prequel. More Vulcans, Klingons and Andorians. You know, the ones everyone recognizes. Whoop dee doo.

>>81610505
Yeah, fair enough. Season 7 was a bit of a mess in a lot of places, that being one of them. If they had changed these characters after season 5 or something it would've been fine.

>>81609389
Like Kirk before him, Sisko continues the Trek tradition of Captains with very distinctive speech patterns.

>>81609797
You know you've got a problem when a guy (me) who has watched all of the previous Star Trek series and has nothing but time on his hands can't make it through VOY even using an episode guide.

>>81604087
>virtue signalling
Best way to immediately spot a /pol/ poster. You idiots don't even know what that means anymore, the term is becoming so diluted it means nothing.

>>81610505
This. Introduce her, so we get the closure of knowing that Dax will live on but it makes no sense for her to stay on DS9. Character wise or for the show.

Terrible decision to work on the same station as Worf. And it just became even more complicated when she started dating Bashir. Isn't this why Trills are meant to avoid their ex's? Too avoid weird emotional turmoil like this?

>>81604438
A lot of people who defend Voyager haven't watched it with adult eyes. I first watched it in high school when it was coming out on TV, and I remember thinking it was cool for species 8472 and the Borg Nexus.

As an adult, when you watch that stuff you realize what it really is, which is spectacle to bring in lorefags. The problems with Voyager run so deep that the only thing that could have fixed them would have been a complete sacking of the entire writing staff plus Brannon Braga. 90% of the cast is bland and one-dimensional, no one ever gets any character development besides the Doctor, hitting the reset button, technobabble out the ASS, lame, every 5th episode is a "these aliens/spacial anomaly can get us home" episode, the list goes on and on.

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>>81604474
Watch it Pink Skin.

>>81604087
That's a really cool aspect of ENT like that ep where Phlox tries to convince Archer that it's not their place to medal in the development of other civalizations. Something that the prime detective covers. Or even just how they send the three highest ranking members on raiding parties untill they get a tactical team. I genuinely love Enterprise I just wish it was allowed to develop as long as Voyager

>>81608778
Latent Image rivals anything put forth by any of the other shows hands down.

>>81604474
Lucky for you he's the center of the final ep

>>81608910
>Tinker Tenor Doctor Spy
Fanservice, the episode
>Living Witness
Eh, it's a good episode but it's not up there with something like TNG's "The Drumhead".
>Death Wish
More Q fanservice

>>81610910
>yfw Shran never called Mayweather brownskin

Would I be fine in watching The Next Generation if I haven't seen any previous Star Trek series before or is it a good jumping on point?

>>81608778
Equinox does rival the best of Trek though, because it calls Voyager out on it's bullshit. It's almost like the writers were aware of the incredible potential they squandered with the series, so they tried to make up for it by giving you a glimpse of what could have been.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezShySfNfME
Were the Dominion right to invade Betazed during the war?

>>81611038
Season 1 and 2 are mostly shit, but yes watch it.

>>81608921
>tfw you're a member of the e-peen society IPTorrents, and you look down upon the peasants from your ivory tower.

>>81604438
>>81610887
When I was ten years old, my tastes in Star Trek went like this:

Voyager > DS9 > TNG > TOS

When someone would ask me why, my explanation would be that Voyager had the best special effects, followed by DS9, followed by TNG, and then TOS coming up last because it had the worst special effects.


It's only now in adulthood that I know enough to rank on quality and put Voyager last.

>>81611038
Ideal jumping on point. Has the same premise as TOS and also paved the way for the 90s Trek resurgence.

The first two seasons are mostly skippable but Measure of a Man is a good first episode to try.

Enterprise.

just pretend Archer is like the grandson of george bush.... and it pretty much makes sense

>>81609718
You can tell that Patrick Stewart has a love/hate relationship with it. He was trying to break into Hollywood, having landed a big part in Dune a few years prior, then he gets this gig and it blows up. He wanted to transition to serious Hollywood roles, but instead he got stuck in Star Trek and capeshit.

I think in his old age he's chilled out considerably, in recent interviews he's talked about how he was super serious, no fun allowed on TNG, but by the end he loosened up a bit and learned to have fun. I think he's loving his life a lot now, it definitely shows.

>>81609727
lmao 4chan in a nutshell.

>>81610091
>but at least Vic Fontaine was good

No! The character was dreadful, the writing was dull, etc etc....

i recently watched all of enterprise, and the only thing i knew coming in was about the mirror universe intro in the 4th season.

the third season was pretty good, and when i got into the 4th season and he starts being like "YEAH WELL, MAYBE, FUCK ALIENS" i was excited because i was like oh shit Enterprise isn't about our timeline... its about how the mirror universe timeline started

and i was really excited

then i got really disappointed

>>81610424
>terry farrell would randomly leave for no good reason
That didn't happen out of nowhere, Terry Ferrell wanted to scale down her role to a recurring character like Rom or Keiko, but Berman and Braga said it's either every episode or no episodes so she left for Becker.

They actually talk about it in that super long video an anon posted in here some time ago, I watched the whole thing and Braga especially shit talks Terry a lot.

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>>81609661
Sisko ascending to heaven is more palatable because it's bittersweet. The characters are all sad that he's leaving and it works on an emotional level.

With Wesley, we're supposed to clap and cheer that The Traveler is escorting Wesley to the Rape Van to be raped, even as people are getting fucking shot and killed right behind them. It's a bit more bizarre.

>>81611241
Damn, that's a weird thing to do - it's not like her character could go places and the season was stacked with stuff as it was, why not just tone it down?

Odd by guys who generally made good decisions

THE BEST IS YET TO COME

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>>81610424
>>81611241
I can't wait to see all the Berman shittalking in upcoming DS9 documentary.

Nothing comes close to DS9. Had the best characters all-around especially side characters.

>>81611029
holy shit that would have been hilarious to see them backpeddle from that

>>81611208
This is actually really funny, thank you for this anon

>>81611321
jesus christ, at least Behr didn't agree

it's fucking bizarre because a lot of the main cast are in "seven out of thirteen" episodes in that last season

>>81611296
I have no idea, in that video Braga was like "You know, we have to run a show, and you don't get to just pick and choose what episodes you want to be in. We signed a contract with you, you're on the credits, it's a done deal so either you do all of them or none of them."

I think it's just old school network TV mentality, things were so much more rigid back then. If you have some time you should check the whole thing out, it's an interesting watch. They talk mostly about Enterprise but they touch on Voyager and DS9 too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ILmc_a6Pyc

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>I TOLD YOU THIS IS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF I EVER CAUGHT YOU GOING THROUGH TROI'S PANTY DRAWER AGAIN YOU COTTON PICKING COON! GET OFF MY SHIT!

Jesus christ Raimi, really?

>>81611403
I thought it was bizarre that Rom gets appointed Grand Nagus the episode previous and we don't get to see him in the finale
and disappointing

>>81611403
>Behr
People shittalk him in these threads, but he seems like a pretty chill guy. He wrote a lot of good TNG and DS9 episodes, so he'll always be ok in my book

>>81610850
They did need another girl though.

The show was already boy-heavy, and the producers were scared of having Kira be the only girl in the main cast.

>>81611518
>People shittalk him in these threads

They do? I got the entirety of DS9 on DVD and in the extra interviews on there he always seems like the smartest guy on set

>>81611519
Now I'm imagining Nana Visitor with her season 7 haircut (best haircut) in a gangbang.

>>81611546
Well this was back in 2014/2015 Trek threads really. I haven't seen any discussion of him at all in the last year

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>>81611186
At least he wasn't in any TNG movies, the dullest entries in the Star Trek franchise's history. Seriously, each flick following Action Picard and his chad pals from Enterprises D&E as they fight revenge-seeking Khan-lites has been indistinguishable from the others. Aside from the gloomy imagery, those films’ only consistency has been their lack of excitement and ineffective use of special effects, all to make scifi into scifantasy, to deliver the franchise into the hands of JJ.

Perhaps the die was cast when Berman vetoed the idea of Frakes directing Nemesis; he made sure the cast's final entry would never be mistaken for a work of art that meant anything to anybody, just ridiculously profitable milking of geekdom's sacred cow. The TNG movies might be anti-Roddenberry (or not), but they're certainly the anti-TOS movies in their refusal of wonder, beauty and excitement. No one wants to face that fact. Now, thankfully, they no longer have to.

>a-at least the TNG books were good though
"No!"
The writing is dreadful; the books are terrible. As I read one, I noticed that every time the author ran out of ideas, they wrote instead another character from another series crossing over to bail them out.

I began marking on the back of an envelope every time that a character from a different series appeared in a novel for TNG. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope over forty-seven times. I was incredulous. The minds of TNG novel authors are so governed by cliches and dead metaphors that they have no other style of writing. Later, I read a lavish, loving review of one such TNG novel by the StarTrek.com official website. They wrote something to the effect of, "If you're still hungry for even more Next Generation, then check out Star Trek/Doctor Who: Assimilation^2, available now at a local LCS store near you." And they were quite right. They were not being ironic. When you read shit TNG fanfic books, you are, in fact, trained to read shit TNG fanfic comics.

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>>81611567
ever see nana visitor in conventions? aged like wine

>>81611685
She can still get it.

Anyone ranking TOS anything less than 2nd place overall should neck themselves immediately.

>>81611518
It's just one Anon who's angry at Behr for dying his beard and wearing sunglasses indoors.

You can ignore that poster. They are aware of how irrelevant they are.

>>81611014
Whether or not the episode was fanservice is irrelevant. It was good fanservice.

One of the best episodes of DS9 is fanservice.

Trials and Tribble-ations

>>81612115
>Trials and Tribble-ations
Not one of the best DS9 episodes at all, it's a complete and total fanservice episode. It was well-done production wise, but there's no story or substance to it at all.

>>81612176
Well well well, look at good ol' Captain Unreachable Standards over here.

>>81612176
>episode was a technical masterpiece with a good story
>post is specifically saying fanservice can make for good tv
>response is just "no, that's fanservice"

And now I know you're stupid.

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>>81612019
Kek, can't tear the Behr.

>>81612216
>>81612318
Fanservice does not make good TV. It is lazy, uninspired, and often has characters acting in ways they wouldn't normally, or reduces them to dumb caricatures of themselves for fanboys.

>>81612375
>and often has characters acting in ways they wouldn't normally, or reduces them to dumb caricatures of themselves for fanboys
So who did this happen to in Death Wish or Trials?

>>81612375
>enjoyable tv isn't good tv, therefore this technical masterpiece that was almost universally enjoyed and adored is bad.
>actually, the fact that it was enjoyable is evidence that it is bad.
>good tv should make you feel bad, like I do every day in the black void that is my soul

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>>81601741

it is better than the other because they copied much from babylon 5, which is undeniable.
all the filler episodes suck, especially the vic fontaine ones.
god damn it is like a soap opera in space, and i fucking hate kira.
they had good characters like dukat, damar and so on, but that's it.

>>81610571
Yes, definitely much to be done there. Especially with the breen still being a factor. If they adopted the ability to clone Jem'Hadar, they could be a greater threat than the Dominion. What if they spent 100 years cloning and improving them?

I'm not a fan of the time travel stuff, but considering how mundane they made it, it's likely that their enemies would attempt to use it against them at some point with total disregard for the consequences. We could see a timeline shifted to where the federation is under Dominion rule because somebody tweaked the past.

Then there is the virtually unexplored gamma quadrant. What if they develop the means to detect and map wormholes? Or even to create them? Possibilities are as endless as space. They definitely don't need to keep doing the prequels.

>>81612458
Voyager's Q episodes ruin the Q because of fanservice. "Let's have Q bother Janeway for no reason at all! Oh by the way, he wants to have a baby human/Q hybrid with her that will be Q Jesus. Also the Q are having a civil war." What???

>>81612471
>actually, the fact that it was enjoyable is evidence that it is bad.
Where did I say this at all. I said that fanservice is lazy and uninspired.

Was it an enjoyable episode? Yes, for Star Trek fans. Was it a well-written, great piece of television? No, not really. It was just an excuse to get them into the original show.

>>81612849

hint: star trek writers never really had great ideas, it was mostly the same shit over and over.
there was so much space for great stories, political conflicts, action and whatever but they never did it.

i am totally sad that star trek has so few romulans episodes.

>>81610749
Nah the old Star Trek raised a lot moral and ethical questions, but I can see some of the newer stuff coming off as tryhard and lacking depth, expecting accolades merely for making the effort, but without bearing any real philosophical fruit. That kind of thing can ruin emersion.

>>81613024
We're talking about Death Wish, not The Q and the Grey.

You can't discard a good episode just because a later follow-up episode was bad.

>>81611519
>They did need another girl though.
It shouldn't have been DAX though.
I mean its essentially a new character anyways so why bother trying to shoehorn her in as another Dax host?

>>81613101
His position is that basically any episode that was good in voyager is "fanservice", a code word for "good episode in a series he didn't like". Don't bother trying to reason with him, as reason has left the cavity in his head.

>>81611029
That's disappointed.

>>81613162
>using the wrong conjugation
Son, I am dead meme.

>>81613029
>there was so much space for great stories, political conflicts, action and whatever but they never did it.
Except for all the times they did.

>>81613101
>The Q and the Grey
It's good, but it's not "up there with the best of Trek" like the original guy said it was.

>>81613156
In another post I offered up Latent Image as a Voyager episode that rivals the best of any other show. Voyager does have truly great episodes, but probably no more than 10.

>>81611321
>muhsoggyknees
Yeah when you're casting for a space fantasy, you want tits.

>>81613382
>It's good, but it's not "up there with the best of Trek" like the original guy said it was.
Are you getting your episodes mixed up?

The Q and the Grey is definitely NOT good. In fact, it's the one that (You) described as ruining the Q.

>>81613156
>His position is that basically any episode that was good in voyager is "fanservice"
Motherfucking Counterpoint!
It is one of the best episodes of the trek franchise.

>>81611567
She got knocked up IRL by Bashir. That's why they wrote in that whole arch about carrying the O'Briens' baby. I just learned this the other day.

>>81613440
Sorry, meant Death Wish.

>>81613519
Okay, but what was wrong with it?

>and often has characters acting in ways they wouldn't normally, or reduces them to dumb caricatures of themselves for fanboys
So who did this happen to in Death Wish or Trials?

>>81613591
I don't think it did happen, but arguably, Q was out of character in Death Wish. It's a very flimsy argument though.

>>81613374

on such a low level, bad written and family friendly.
star trek had more potential, they did not use it, it was often like a soap opera + moral lessons.

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>>81601741
>Is anything after DS9 worth watching?

I don't know. Are there are any other shows about the crazy antics at a shopping mall in outer space (with a Captain!)?

>>81613826
Its almost impressive how you never contribute anything but baseless opinions and shitposting in every thread you're in.

>>81614108
stop shitposting about shitposters, you guys taking bait is what causes the spiral of awful posts in every thread.

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>>81614108

your autism is on an incredible level.
i mostly ignore star trek threads because of the fanboys.
i liked star trek when i was a kid, but sadly it is just a family show, there are really few episodes that are well written.

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>>81614234
>I only watch adult shows for adults like myself

>>81614299
100% true and a beautifully done meme. The ascended Berkely was a great touch.

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>>81613964
The characters were great.

>>81601741
ENT is actually more entertaining than Voyager.

Once Voyager starts to get on some sort of roll, it fucking ends. Totally mediocre.

>>81603673
your opinion is wrong

>>81604075
liking voyager isn't edgy, kid.

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>>81614299

They should have just left Barclay hooked up to see what cool crap he could have done.

But towards the end, you know he was going to take the Enterprise to some Event Horizon shit.

>>81615968
They didn't disconnect him, he either did it himself or it happened on its own when they arrived at their destination and the knowledge started leaving him.

Vic > EMH, since Vic never put the station in danger, and never took over someone's body to use them for sex.

>>81617781
>and never took over someone's body to use them for sex.
How do you know he didn't disguise himself as the women in your filthy sex holonovels?

>>81617781
No he just stalked Kira tried to force her to have sex with Odo by harassing her and lying to both of them leading to think Odo he was dating a hologram

>>81618078
Correct.

Even with all those crimes, he's still less of a monster than the EMH.

>>81610505
>a spastic trill girl
How can you dislike teh trill of doom?

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>>81618468
*holds up self-sealing stem bolt*

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>>81609389
Everything has it's own music, life is a jazz set in tune with everything, it's a great big beat that pounds with your heart. It's all jazz, backwards and forwards, life is now, but it's behind to teach us what notes are to come. It goes on, and on, life may end, the tempo may change; so your music might be forgotten, what you do right now matters the most, make the jazz important now and ... just live and breathe the most out of life.

>>81619208
I think I like prof Avery Brooks as a character more than Sisko.

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>>81619302
>Rick Berman's first choice for the role of Sisko was actor Avery Brooks. The two had met many years earlier when the then-struggling young actor rented a room in Berman’s family apartment, and Brooks' often terrifying and deranged antics during the three months he lived there left a lasting impression on the executive. Years later, Berman remembered the volatile actor and knew that he was the only possible man who could play the mad Sisko, and he sent Brooks a copy of the script. "Between three and four in the morning, the phone rang," Berman recalled. "It took me at least a couple of minutes before I realized who was the source of this inarticulate screaming. And after an hour of this, it dawned on me that he found it the most fascinating script and wanted to be The Emissary."

>From the beginning of the production on the pilot episode, writer Michael Piller and Brooks argued about the proper manner to portray Sisko. Brooks wanted to play a "wild, ranting madman", but Piller wanted something "quieter, more menacing". In order to get the performance he desired, before each shot director David Carson would deliberately infuriate him. After waiting for the hot-tempered actor's inevitable tantrum to "burn itself out", Carson would then roll the camera.

>Even the director wasn't safe from his twisted vision. "One time I yelled 'cut' and he turned to me and said 'What if someone just stood in the middle of the Promenade and yelled cut? Maybe the Ferengi in suits would forget their trained routine of acquiring' My jaw hit the floor and it never really came back up. That's when I thought, is he getting in character to play Sisko, or is Sisko something that's been in him all along?"

>"Sometimes i would go to look into the cameras, and I noticed he had put something in the lens. It was stuff like 'What if cameras were phasers? Would you be a mass murderer?' and 'Lights. Camera. BASEBALL!.' I had to ask him to stop because I was getting too scared to direct."

>>81619383
not sure who this copypasta originated with but I bet there's a good chance it was actually Brooks

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IT'S REAL

I CREATED IT

IT'S REAL

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>>81619863
Douglas, leave Benny alone. You heard what Benny said. It's real, he created it, it's real. Now when are we getting some fresh donuts, you fascist bootlicker?

>>81611685

>that smirk
>dem legs

WEW LAD

TNG>TOS>DS9=VOY>>>>>ENT

id say i almost preferred voyager to ds9, it was such a chore, Quark, Odo and O'Brien kinda save the show but otherwise its reddit, unfiltered and is boring until the Defiant becomes a thing

Janeway can be entertaining not to. mention holodoc, though 7-of-9 sucks tbqh
it gets gud around season 4

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>>81604438
>>81610887
I loved it as a kid, looking back on it with adult eyes it hasn't held up. I mean it's still entertaining here and there, it's still got a few decent episodes but it really doesn't hold a candle to TOS, TNG and DS9

I absolutely maintain that The Doctor and some of Seven's better moments don't completely make the show worth watching, but certainly come damn close.

Also Tuvok is criminally underrated both by the shows writers and by fans

>>81620348
There's special circumstances for most shows.
TNG(Average) > TOS (Movies) > DS9 (Quark/Odo/Obrien/Garak eps) > Voy (Rare good eps) > ENT(Shran) > TOS series > Voy average > DS9 bad eps

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>>81620375
>Also Tuvok is criminally underrated both by the shows writers and by fans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLhTEB7xM90

>>81620375
Tim Russ was great as Tuvok and the character had a lot of potential - instead, they waste him to be the straight man to Neelix jokes and never gets anything to do

Amazing

>>81601741
I just finished VOY and am 3 episodes into ENT.
>Is anything after DS9 worth watching?
No. Especially the TNG movies, don't want those.

TNG movies are fine

>>81608778
In the Pale Moonlight is the best episode of Trek.

>>81608910
>Living Witness
Is that Doctor still flying through the Delta Quadrant?

>>81621427
>>81620375
Remember that time when Tuvok solved the murder mystery in Season 1? Based.

>>81619863
LOOK AT ME.

LOOK. AT. ME.

I CAN. ACT.

I AM AN. ACTOR.

>>81623220
#9, at best.

>>81619863
>>81620016
This sums up the episode.

>>81619863
IT'S A FAAAKE

I've recently started watching enterprise. It's actually pretty good. Well it's okay, but there is a surprising lack of terrible episodes compared to other treks in the first season.

Why did /tv/ try to meme me into thinking this was the worst trek series?

>>81625829
>I went with the will to like it so that I would be different from the majority of /tv/, and strangely I liked it!

all ENT fans are shitposters too, it's not a coincidence

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>People complain about Muslims in Star Trek
>Everyone was fine with the A COOCHIE MOI YUH shit

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>>81611403
On the one hand, Terry was right, it wasn't a completely unreasonable request. Not every main cast member appeared in every episode, so why couldn't Dax just be seen a little less in the final run. Seven out of thirteen is still most of them.

On the other hand, I can see Bermans pov too. It's the final season and this diva decides she doesn't want to be in all the episodes stipulated in her contract? She wants the writers who are under enough pressure trying to wrap up all the remaining plot threads and characters arcs in a satisfying way, to cater to her and make sure she's only in a certain number of episodes?

If they had a better relationship, they probably could have reached a mutual agreement.

>>81611509
Same, Rom had really grown on me and it would have been nice for him and his family to have been there at the end.

I know the Ferengi episodes were comic relief but Rom becoming Nagus is still a shade too silly for me. He spent all this time building a career as an engineer, breaking from tradition and finding his own purpose, only to be put in charge of Ferenginar at the last moment.

>>81611546
There are commentaries on the DVD? May have to break down and get them. Despite however successful the documentary kickstarter was, it's probably still going to be forever before we get a HD restoration.

>>81611519
I hadn't thought of that but still, I think introducing new characters in the last season was a watse of valuable time.

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>>81626554

>>81626554
space indians are a tradition in Star Trek

>>81602388
Voyager is a much more engaging series when you realize the crew's supposed to be the villains.

>>81612849
I would love a mirror universe episode where the Dominion won the war. It would make sense considering the mirror verse is where basically everything that could have gone wrong, did.

Though if they were going to do that, DS9 would have been the show to do it in. I doubt they'd ever do such an episode now, the execs would be worried it would be "too insider". As if Trek isn't the biggest game of inside-baseball ever conceived.

It honestly seems like execs are afraid to touch the subject. Probably since DS9 wasn't the most watched series at the time and they don't want people to have to watch all of DS9 to understand the current situation.

But you'd mention it the same way they refer to the Romulan/Klingon/Cardassian conflicts with the federation. If some Trek newbie hears a line like "Cardassia's really changed since the dominion war" I'm sure they're intelligent enough to infer that it was a war that happened in the past without having to know all the details.

GIVE ME POST-DOMINION RIGHT NOW REEEEEEEEE

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>>81613024
>Didn't enjoy Trial and Tribble-ations because it was fanservice
>There was fanservice in an episode celebrating Star Treks 25th anniversary

>>81613092
*immersion

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>>81613506
Of all the ways writers have had to cover up for female cast pregnancies, this is one of the most hilarious and elaborate
>We beamed the baby into Kira

>>81627373
>DUDE REFERENCES LMAO
>DUDE TRIBBLES! I RECOGNIZE THESE THINGS!!!! SUCH A TREK NERD!

some people have standards

>>81613506

It was obviously some BS to write around her being preggo

Never knew it was Siddig El Tahir El Fadil El Siddig Abderrahman Mohammed Ahmed Abdel Karim El Mahdi who knocked her up though

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>>81613964
>Space shopping mall
Is this the new 'Wagon Train to the stars'

>>81626554
I wasn't. Trek has always been like a sci-fi Scooby Doo, pulling the mask of self-proclaimed Gods but then to patronize the native Americans they wrote in that all of their spirituality was real. It wasn't magic though it was aliens, so that still makes it sci-fi.

>>81626554
Indians aren't terrorists that are immune from criticism by the left

>>81627284
The wormhole didn't exist in the mirror universe. No way for the dominion to get there.

>>81625994
t. Shitposter

>>81628484
found the ENT fan

>>81627490
Personally my favorite is when they go out of their way to not acknowledge it, and you get shit like scully being abducted by ayy lmaos, or Elaine trapped under a mattress.

Nothing is worse than writing a baby into a show because the actress got knocked up.

>>81604455
Both TNG and DS9 pickup around 3rd season

>>81628815
DS9 season 2 starts strong as fuck but the middles pretty weak. Dunno how I feel about the finale but it had to happen sooner or later.

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>TNG season 8 was shitcanned for DS9

>>81608709
This.

How strong are Vulcans? I know Vulcan men>human men, but could an average trained human man take beat a Vulcan woman? What about a Klingon?

>>81628881
Yeah but did you watch season 7 of TNG?

>>81629445
No. I'm going through the series now. Does it tie up all loose ends?

>>81629445
it was good, stop with the memes

>every character has flashbacks about the greatest moments in their lives
>obriens doesnt feature his wife or child

what did they mean by this?

>>81628881
that's not a bad thing at all, TNG ended well and DS9 was great

>>81629505
All good things is objectivly GOAT. Really wraps everything up in a nice bow.

best acting: tng
best single episodes: tng
best cast: ds9
best overall quality: ds9

>>81628815
The first season and a half of TNG are great though. The writer's strike sank the back half of season 2.

It's really confusing how Paramount used to be able to produce 2 Star Trek seasons a year, but they're struggling to make anything for Discovery. I know Discovery's probably gonna be shit, but that doesn't mean they have delay it every other month.

>>81629939
Established creative team. And they were both filmed for syndication, so the production schedule wasn't as breakneck. And tng, ds9, and voy each only overlapped for two seasons.
As for discovery the showrunner left, im sure that fucks things up. Plus making a new series isn't like making a new movie, you've got a more niche audience.

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>>tries to get fired by sleepwalking through all his dialogue, constantly asking for pay raises and demanding an on-screen relationship with the hottest member of the cast
>>gets pay raises and an on-screen relationship with the hottest member of the cast

>>81630439
I read an interview with Garett Wang where he said that they used to call him Robert The Belter because he'd eat loads of beans from the craft services and stink up the set but nobody really minded because they got paid extra for time spent doing ADR.

>>81630439
The real shame is that on paper Acoochey-Moya is a pretty good character.
Of course thats the epitaph of voyager in general.

>>81631307
It's a shame the FCC prevented them from having him as a hardass Maquis that smoked hallucinagenic cactus to do his vision quests. If they didn't mention it all the time there'd be no indication he was ever a Maquis, and the same is true of all of them that didn't betray the rest of the crew at some point.

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>>81619667
I think it's about Jared Leto's performance as THA JOKAH BAYBEE in Suicide Squad.

>>81609718

Literally every single former captain is a legit fucking lunatic crazy person if you watch that doc, like would be on the streets homeless if not an actor.

>>81631532
Scott Bakula is normal as fuck. Probably why he's worst captain.

>>81623117

They are mostly fucking garbage. But First Contact is actually legit good and completely entertaining from start to finish. I would recommend it to anyone.

>>81609552
>weakest series
Not the four season prequel with the lame time travel meta and a chief engineer who was self taught on moterboats.

>>81631597
Archer was fine. He was in uncharted waters with none of the starfleet legacy other captains had to draw from.
He was fallible and made mistakes, but ended up learning from them and helping to lay the path that would eventually become the federation.
Its one of the better aspects of the series.

>>81631717

Everything you are saying is true, and its still better than Voyager.

>>81631671
>First Contact is actually legit good
I'll never understand people who think this. I grew up with TNG and the TOS movies and was a huge trekkie. My dad and I went to see this opening day, and even as a teenage kid I was horribly dissapointed by first contact.
Its a lame action movie, and a bad trek movie.
And the time travel borg mashup was stupid and actually made no sense.

>>81629029

It's all over the place and fluctuates because every writer has different power levels in their mind.

Speaking generally; No and Probably.

>>81631717
>Talking shit about lieutenant commander George W. Bush III
Don't be mad at him because you'll never be knocked up by qt3.14 reptilefu.

>>81603673
So making Moriarty a legit villain is okay, but a lounge singer that knows he's hologram is just terrible?

>>81631903

When I go home for the holidays they always have the trek marathon on tv where they show all the movies in order over and over for like four days over Christmas.

The only ones I can sit all the way through and be entertained without changing the channel are Khan, Whales and First Contact.

>>81628389
The wormhole exists in the Mirror Universe, but nobody has discovered it yet.

Citation: Crossover

>>81608039
>that guy whos whole village was destroyed so he builds a hologram of everyone and all think they're real.
That was ds9

>>81632001
was meant for
>>81631875

>>81632017

Well in the mirror universe the prophets would be evil prophets and they would require an evil emissary to open the wormhole.

>>81628881
TNG season 8 was shitcanned for the TNG movies.

The studio needed a movie budget because the actors' rising salaries were eating too much into the TV budget.

>>81629505
Here are the only good episodes in season 7:
>Parallels
>The Pegasus
>Lower Decks
>Thine Own Self
>Preemptive Strike
>All Good Things

The rest range from okay to garbage.

>>81629624
The flashbacks are about What You Leave Behind. O'Brien wasn't leaving Molly or Keiko behind. Unfortunately for him.

Are the TNG films good?

>>81629505
It has a perfect finale but I wouldn't say it ties up loose ends. It's open ended to make way for the movies.

>>81632218
See >>81611682.

>>81631495
>not familiar with Herzog or Kinski
Go back to >>>/cpsht/ please.

>>81632218
But I liked First Contact.

Why do people always say that Star Trek is for homosexuals? What is it about it that specifically appeals to the homosexual community?

>>81632551
It's liberal-leaning

>>81632551
Actually the copypasta says trek is for pedos.

>>81627165
>never invent wheel
>go to space
Why?

>>81632576
No reason to be financially conservative in a post scarcity society. And why get bent out of shape about homos when you deal with entire species with plural genders or no genders.

>>81626739
If you had Rick Berman shittalking your tits all day, you'd want seven out of thirteen, too.

>>81627402
Ugh I apologize.

>>81632617
in TOS it was alien races abducting indians and other cultures to preserve them
in TNG it was indiands from earth reaching their ancestral land following their myths or stuff like that toward precise planets

>>81627817
Discovering that they are aliens and continuing to worship them as gods was annoying. You'd think there would at least be some division from the more rational bajoran who denounced the religion. The closest we got was "There's an opposing faction of space gods! Maybe we should worship them instead!"

>>81632143
>not liking Masks

As usual people hating fun Star Trek episodes because they can't stroke their egos about "omg deep and profound"

>>81629029
Vulcans are three times stronger than humans, last I heard it mentioned in DS9. I think it was the baseball episode.

>>81632846
There were fedora tipping bajorans but their faith was one of the things that helped them survive the occupation.
Also the prophets had been intertwined with bajor in a causal loop kind of thing. I always assumed that they were bajorans from the distant future that had achieved transcendence and became the prophets, like an oroborus thing.

>>81602388
>You can skip voyager
No.
No, you cannot.
It's weaker than TNG and DS9 obviously, but it has it's moments here and there.
No self respecting trekkie would skip Voy.
You watch it, then if you want to talk shit about it, do talk shit about.
But you watch it first.

>>81632966
>Vulcans are 3 times stronger than humans
>Khan was 5 times stronger than normal human
>Kirk easily beat him

how strong is Kirk?

>>81632966
Not to mention they have vulcan kung fu as part of their training regiment.

>>81633099
With or without the lead pipe?

>>81633099
Kirk's dick is 2x stronger than a Vulcan.

Also, he beat Khan up with a space crowbar.

>>81632940
Masks was neither fun nor deep, it was a vaguely interesting premise (alien ship starts reconfiguring theirs in its own image) but executed badly in such a way that Brent could do some """real acting""", and he was terrible at it.

>>81633148
>>81633183
he only used the whatever that thing was at the end, he held is own without tools for most of the fight

he also fought Spock multiple times without dying

>>81632660
Well, since it's the future, you'd think they'd have a cure for it by then.

>>81633069
It doesn't really add anything to the overall lore and it's tedious and inconsistent. It's like an entire series founded on filler trash eps and characters. If there's absolutely nothing else to watch, maybe then, but otherwise entirely skippable.

>>81607731
They have a bar to hang out at, why do they need one from the fucking past. Take us interesting places in the holodeck for the last season, not some fucking bar every other episode.

>>81632218
Only First Contact. Generations is worth seeing once because it's a relative interesting story and gets talked about a lot. Insurrection has an interesting first act but the rest is shit. Nemesis is awful but we talk about it a lot because of Meme Hardy and it has some long-term story implications (despite the story not being continued outside the books).

Watch them, but set expectations to stunned at their awfulness.

>>81633069
>no true fan meme

>>81631980
Moriarty became a tragic character who appeared in what two episodes? Vic come and takes up space in the last season for some mediocre period piece shit from a boring era of America.

>>81632551
That's a new one to me.

>>81632603
There are no children in space.

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>>81631739
Archer saved Earth from total destruction. The rest of them owe him their very existence.

>>81633802
>There are no children in space
Tell that to naomi wildman

>>81633778
Vic was on DS9 and thus perfect

by now you should know how those threads work

>>81632551
Homosexuals have a habit of reading into every close heterosexual friendship as "homosexual undertones" "homolust", and as Star Trek features very few couples due to being centred around a military organisation, there's very few long-term relationships in the show and a lot of (semi) celibate officers they love to speculate about

>>81633849
Kirk and Picard traveled to the past multiple times and saved Earth, Archer is the one that should thank them

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Just to make sure everyone knows the movie quality pecking order.

2>4>6>3>8>7>>>5>>>>> the rest

>>81633065
>but their faith was one of the things that helped them survive the occupation.
A religious nutjob said it so it must be true

>Also the prophets had been intertwined with bajor in a causal loop kind of thing
Nope

> I always assumed
u ass

>>81633923
So did sisko and janeway.

>>81633891
What a sad generalization. As a gay man, I enjoy the show like any other person might, because it's sci-fi and character based.
I don't care if there's men fucking or a gay character. There's plenty of other, shittier shows pandering to gays.

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>>81633923
tfw you realize Picard brought the borg to earth hundreds of years before he was even born.

>>81633649
>It doesn't really add anything to the overall lore
The only thing I can think of is that after they sent the EMH to cure Dr. Zimmerman he showed up in DS9 to create the long-term medical hologram based on Jewls.

>>81634010
>A religious nutjob said it so it must be true
Kira said it, and she didn't believe in any of that shit until they found the celestial temple, met the Kai, and banged Berial.

>>81633778
>His Way
>It's Only a Paper Moon
>Badda-Bing, Badda-Bang
Moriarty had two episodes, Vic had three. Not that big a difference.

And two of those three episodes were great, so it was worth it.

>>81634039
I am still catching up on DS9, I'll watch it after TAS and I don't remember much about VOY

>>81634063
>this meme again

The Borg were already coming, if anything Q showing them earlier made the Federation be more prepared and react sooner

>>81634094
>she didn't believe in any of that shit until they found the celestial temple
That's completely fucking wrong, I remember you from yesterday saying she was an atheist, once again: feel free to post any kind of evidence whatsoever.

>>81634113
>The Borg were already coming
Because they shot off a signal to the delta quadrant in the 22nd century.

>>81632846
>>81634010
There's not much difference between a god and a non corporeal being that knows everything past present and future. The prophets liked the Bajorans for whatever reason and the Bajorans feel like they owe them their faith and praise.

>>81634168
>I remember you from yesterday
No you don't, autismo the clown.

>>81634172
And because the Hansens were already assimilated by the Borg before Picard met them.

Thanks, Voyager.

>>81633065
That would be pretty cool actually.

>>81634202
>I am 100% wrong but too afraid to admit it: the post

>ds9 fans going to ruin another thread with autistic screeching because someone doesn't like their holographic boomer nostalgia bait

>>81634107
Where he was a main character maybe, sure. But they fucking go in their nearly every episode of the last season or he's featured and gives someone advice. Also, why the fuck doesn't Quark get upset that people would rather go to this holo-bar instead of his? They missed a huge opportunity for a Quark episode.

>>81633649
How can you appreciate the good without seeing the bad?

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>>81634113
Picard seriously threatened Earth's existence by facilitating the Borg's invasion of Earth to begin with. It was neither heroic, nor even admirable at all, for him to clean up his own mess, and it was an actual disgrace that he didn't even finish the job (leaving it for Archer to deal with), especially when he was the faggot who caused the problem in the first place.

>>81634297
>But they fucking go in their nearly every episode of the last season or he's featured and gives someone advice.
I don't see a problem with this. It's just a scene or two.

>Also, why the fuck doesn't Quark get upset that people would rather go to this holo-bar instead of his? They missed a huge opportunity for a Quark episode.
I do agree with you on this. We needed DS9 season 8 to cover this and other neglected stories.

I'm sure Quark found a way to profit though. Even if he let Vic run 26/7 for free, he probably still charged for admission.

>>81633828
Hahaha remember wheb he didn't want to badda-bing because blacks weren't allowed to badda-bang?

>>81634360
Are you having a stroke?

>>81634343
I don't really want to argue with you, you repeat the same things all the time and is really just a waste of time. So whatever, keep going.

>>81634297
Why would Quark care? They're paying him to use vics by the hour.

>>81633099

He smashed his face in with a crowbar like the joker did to Jason Todd, it wasn't exactly hand to hand fair play fisticuffs.

>>81634459
Quark would pretend to not care as long as Vic remains profitable. But deep down, in his heart, his feeling would be hurt by their lack of loyalty to his bar.

>>81634360
>>81634394
No he's right, it's that exact episode. I can't believe he got it.

>>81634416
>you repeat the same things all the time and is really just a waste of time

You know this is a startrek thread, right?

>>81634343
>>81634416
What was Archers involvement I don't recall ENT very well? How did they tie it into borg stuff?

>>81634553
this

>>81634571
Some reposts are more samey than others.

The /pol/-spouting Enterprise-spammer is among the worst of the worst.

>>81634571
I know, and usually I would say the same stuff I say all the time in response but today I am skipping

>>81634599
They found some of the borgs left behind after first contact, the doctor made a cure against borg nanobots and everyone forgot about it

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DS9 was fairly limited in their array of species.

>>81634691
You know that literally every ST 'race' is just a human with a headpiece/makeup on right? That they're all pretty limited? At least we got changelings.

>>81634751
Yes it would be interesting to see some more deviation from that. Although, the devidian in that picture is also a changling, but its true form is humanoid.

>>81634010
>>81634184
Specifically the bajoran prophets are just all-knowing, if you're some 4D shit and don't know what time is it's the same thing as fate I guess.

>>81634340
There's plenty of bad to go around but Voyager's goods weren't as good as any other series' good eps.

>>81634553
>>81634459
>>81634356
WILD SPECULATION: Remember that weird probe thing in season 1? Where Obrien took it into their computers and it was feeding off computer activity. At the end of the episode he said he'd isolated it and would be keeping it as a pet.

Maybe he decided to keep it in the holosuites.

>>81634691
Maybe so, but at least they were distinct. The few alien species introduced in DS9 were all far more memorable than the infinite forehead of the week aliens in TOS and TNG.

>>81634832
It was a missed opportunity for O'Brien to not set his doggo loose when the Dominion took over the station.

>>81611685
>aged like wine
Anon she's 60 years old. She looks very good for a 60-year-old.

The fuck do you think people that age look like, supermodels? She's a few years from getting SS benefits.

Is the DS9 fanbase the most insecure fanbase?
Every criticism is confronted with "a-a-t least it's better than X!!"

>>81634945
I think you must be under the impression that wine gets worse as it ages, which is incorrect.

>>81634946
No, it's whatever you're a fan of, because you're in every single thread spouting the same shit.

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>>81634684
the cure only works on denobulans.

>>81634751

They explained this in that TNG episode, all humanoid races were seeded by the humanoid progenitor species that existed billions of years before all other races existed.

>>81635045
>everyone I don't like is the same person

jesus how insecure are you

>>81635072
Get a trip and then you'll only be blamed for your own posts.

>>81635127
>become a tripfaggot

fuck off, only DS9 fans are such attention whores

>>81635072
You can deny it all you want, we all know it's (You)

And I'm not insecure enough to shitpost about shows in the franchise I don't like unprovoked, you should probably consider seeing a counsellor.

>>81635168
>we all know it's (You)

well, "you" are wrong

>>81631739
Archer comes across as off because he was written like a modern-day character instead of the pinnacle of humanity we're used to.

If I didn't know the backstory of Enteprise I could easily imagine it being set in our lifetimes. The cast dynamics are actually pretty reminiscent of SG-1, in terms of relatable people from a non-OP Earth facing weird-ass aliens who are almost always stronger than us.

It's an unusual dynamic, which is why it's hard to compare Archer to the other folks.

Still, I liked his character. He always faced the shadow of his father's legacy, and of being humanity's face to the wider galaxy. He also clearly had some anger issues and was more rash than the other captains, but this was portrayed fairly consistently so I take it as a character trait instead of bad writing. There was a perpetual "if we fuck up the Vulcans won't let us try again for 50 years" that made (at least in theory) even the filler episodes have more weight to them.

That the first two seasons ended up mostly squandering all of this is widely known, but the premise is pretty cool and explains why he's always under so much stress. He doesn't have backup, the NX-01 is always the only Earth ship in their neighborhood. He IS Starfleet.

He was kind of like a Kirk-Sisko mashup, in that he was this charming, handsome young guy who had fun with his crew but was also super militaristic and didn't shy away from doing whatever it took.

>>81635284
Did you make any "fans of X are dumb" posts in the last thread?
Did you make any "fans of X are dumb" posts in this thread?
Will you make any "fans of X are dumb" posts in the next thread?

Since the answers are all yes, it's safe to say that (You) are our most-insecure resident shitposter.

>>81632001
>whales
Kek

My country does similar things, my favorite is the July "nobody is watching TV anyway so fuck it" Police Academy marathon. Comfy af to watch with your dad.

>>81635400
I only posted the one about DS9 fans being insecure and thanks for proving me right. Reacting this way to a simple post lol