/trek/

None. The Maquis were abanonded by a Federation weary of war and left to fend for themselves. Sisko had an obligation to stop the Maquis from potentially precipitating another war and that alone justifies his actions to anyone that isn't some sperged out trek nerd.

The Federation were.

>Oh sorry bro, we gave away your homes to these reptile aliens so they'd stop attacking us
>Don't worry though, you can live in our wonderful Government Housing
>How dare you defend yourselves against them?! They're enriching your culture!

>>81589987
Oh look, another original start for a thread brought to you by DS9 fans

>>81591132
Siskos entire reason for hating Eddington is that him turning traitor was dishonorable like he is a fucking Klingon all of a sudden

The writers for that stupid holo-communicator idea. No wonder they ditched it quickly.

>>81591240

Didn't captain nigger intentionally poison federation planets? Not saying the maquis were good guys (though Eddington was badass) but I'm pretty sure chemical weapons are still banned in the Federation.

>>81591344
DS9 isn't for cucks like the other series, results are what matters not the way you obtain them

>>81591267
Yeah it was exceedingly pointless

>>81591267
>>81591421
I was fine with it, they had the tech to do it so there's no reason they couldn't, though I doubt they'd be bothered since there's no in-universe advantages over a flat screen unless they were doing something insanely niche like watching someone demonstrate something, like how to fix a piece of equipment.

They obviously chose to try it because it makes filming easier and actors can play off each other as they can see each other while talking.

>>81591693
it's because they wanted to rip off Star Wars to make it more appealing to a different audience

>>81591785
>Hey guys, let's add a 30 second holo-conversation to 2 episodes, that'll bring in the entire Star Wars audience when they Jedi-mind-meld that we did that
>t. Brandon Brontosaurus

Oh yeah that makes sense, that is definitely what they were thinking

>>81591886
>also let's add an intergalactic war against an evil empire
>also let's have our main character be a chosen one created by space midichlorians

>>81592170
>The democratically elected human government = Shapeshifting aliens from the other side of the glaxy
>Bacteria = 4D aliens living in a womhole
Holy shit how did I never notice the similarities before, I'm #TeamMerchandise now

>>81592336
>Anakin was literally created by the midichlorians and the will of the force
>Sisko is created by the magic quantum aliens that give super powers and let people shoot beams when they want
>there are jedi aliens and sith evil aliens

yeah, totally different and original and never seen before

also let's ignore how the defiant looks more like a Star Wars ship than a Star Trek one

>>81592521
DS9 is not some action flick

Its about the struggle of Bajor and its people

10 Million Bajorans died in the occupation
You think a show about 20 million dead is comparable to some bad sci-fi movie?
Belittling DS9 is belittling the deaths of 50 million Bajorans

Remember the 100 Million Bajorans

>>81592718
Fucking Spoonheads, I'm glad they had 200 million casualties by the end of the war, that's exactly 1 for every Bajoran turned into a lampshade.

>>81591693
Lmao let's bring it on in the knick of time for a heated debate about betraying uniforms that was ass backwards and then never use it again and all the Star Trek universe

>DS9 thread
>Still no Bashir Faggot

are they dead

>>81593105
Yes, cyberbullying is not a victimless crime

>>81592864
200 Million seems really low

Didnt the Dominion glass like 3 civilian cities in the last day or two of the war

and thats on top of all the military deaths on a galactic scale

I know Weyoun let like 500,000 die for nothing which is why Damar turned on him

>>81593665
800 million died on Cardassia Prime alone in the war's last day. And that's not counting Cardassian casualties in their fleets or on other worlds.

>>81591132
HE BETRAYED HIS UNIFORM

File: 1464650024601.png (8KB, 473x500px) Image search: [Google]

8KB, 473x500px

>triggering a nigger so much he apes out and genocides an entire planet

Remind me how blacks were allowed in the Federation again?

Tuvok doesn't count he was a Vulcan.

>>81594560
a lot of people died at Wolf 359 and they were running low on manpower so they put the first random guy in charge of a space station, not even one built by the federation because those were actually valuable

>>81594560
>prioritizes his family
>loves his wife so much he resists moving on and only does so after another black woman begs for his dick and his own son is trying to get them together
>annoyed by the very religion that sees him as a savior figure
>explores dangerous wormhole like any good explorer
>despite having no real Starfleet staff apart from an autistic Irish janitor, autistic on-again-off-again homosexual doctor, and a transgendered and lazy scientist, keeps a dilapidated space station running smoothly while managing the reconstruction of a planet full of religious zealots as he simultaneously attempts to improve relations with their former occupiers
>suffers from temporary mental insanity where he perceives himself to be an oppressed black man in a white-dominated society, but rejects this falsehood and associated sense of victimhood
>punches a demigod in the face
>makes minor mistakes such as chasing a traitorous terrorist across half the quadrant and being complicit in the murder of a foreign dignitary, but has the decency to feel guilt about the latter
Seems like a good guy to me, anon.

>>81594810
>>prioritizes his family

L O L
I guess that's why Jake turned so good

>le punched Q!!

I see, another faggot glorifying mindless violence

>>81594881
Jake did turn out fine.

What were you hoping for, another Wesley?

>>81594881
I didn't say he was a successful father, but he did try. Q wanted to be punched, he's a degenerate masochist, Sisko understood this and was doing it as a friend.

File: file.png (2MB, 1920x1080px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 1920x1080px

I wish to have rough and passionate hate sex with you while you impale my dirty Cardie pussy with your superior Human babymaker as you berate me for how many cardies you killed in the war. Chief, I'm ovulating. RIGHT. NOW.

uh.... I Kekio is expecting me tonight to scream at me in her shrill voice because I walked in on her and the Bajorian Deputy last night.... sorry.

>>81595442
kek

>>81589987

>muh les mis

I think they were in the right but they lacked moral decency. The whole idea of them being antagonized simply because they Federation hated how they were thrown away in favor of their personal needs is asinine. They were removed because it was a necessary step in De-escelating a situation

>>81596177
>remove maquis
>the Cardassians still start a war against the federation

nice de-escalation, the Cardies cucked everyone

YOU BETRAYED YOUR UNIFORM

File: keikau.jpg (107KB, 975x965px) Image search: [Google]

107KB, 975x965px

A C Q U I R E D

>>81589987
was he the last of the canadians in the 23rd century?

>>81596369
Wasnt Riker a canadian?

>>81597737
Alaskan. So worse, because no maple syrup or hockey.

>>81597737
Alaskan

>>81598098
>>81598103
One of you was baited, one posted the original query

>>81594810
>keeps a dilapidated space station running smoothly

This is something few people give them credit for, but DS9 was in shambles when they came, and within a year they had it (mostly) up to Fed standards.

Not only that, but the damn thing worked like a charm, despite being a decades-old, Cardie-Fed mashup held together with quantum ducktape and O'Brien's pure willpower. All the while serving as a massive trade hub and having 95% of the population be non-Starfleet folks from all walks of life.

Remember the Enterprise, the Starfleet flagship with the finest engineers and equipment the Federation could muster? Remember how it had catastrophic failures CONSTANTLY? The holodeck, a recreational facility, went rogue so many times.

Remember how many mishaps DS9 had with holodeck technology? Roughly zero, despite running permanent simulations (Vic Fontaine). The only times shit went south is when someone would trip over a wire and activate some Cardie kill-the-Bajoran-workers program.

DS9 was a fucking tour-de-force in keeping a station running. Picard was a better diplomat and flute player, but Sisko was orders of magnitude more capable of running Ops.

>>81598311
So you mean DS9 was badly written, makes sense.

Hilarious how the people that complain about Janeway being able to keep the ship in working conditions praise this now.

>>81589987
The federation. The idea of moving people around like that instead of defending them was downright shameful.

Also in Eddington's anti-Federation rant, Sisko was literally unable to come up with any decent counter point and resorted to incoherent yelling .

>>81598358
Nobody complains that Sisko can replenish his torpedoes because he never says that he can't.

Janeway, on the other hand, does say that she cannot replace her torpedoes, so the show is lying to us when she does it anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIGxMENwq1k

>>81598358
>actual competent crew
>"badly written"
If anything TNG was badly written because a ship that broke down as much as the Enterprise would have been scrapped for its (barely-functioning half the time) parts.

In real life, if your car needs to go to the mechanic every few weeks you get a new car.

And the situations aren't remotely comparable, DS9 was a major trade hub with Federation supplies coming in constantly (O'Brien explicitly states they get parts), while Voyager was on its own on the other end of the galaxy with no credible way of re-supplying.

Complaining about Voyager looking spiffy after seven years of hardship is like complaining about the cast of Gilligan's Island somehow surviving all that time alone and no worse for wear - pedantic and superficial, but true.

Complaining about DS9 being a well-run station with no annual "random shit breaks down! drama!" bottle episodes is like complaining there's not enough reality TV out there - aka What the fuck are you doing, nigga?

>>81598447
so DS9 is badly written since they never actually explore how DS9 works and how everything is kept tight but instead it just happens and you fanboys declare it as the ""captain"" being extremely competent instead of convenient writing

thanks for agreeing

>>81598496
>Enterprise broke constantly

nice meme

ugh, DS9 chat

>>81591344
He did. The show's writing treated it as morally acceptable because it was a "fair" trade with the Cardassians. The show says nobody was killed by the poison, but it's such a toss away explanation line that exists just to put Sisko in the clear. It's like burning somebody's house down but acting morally justified because you didn't nail the doors closed when the owners fled.

What always let me down the most was how Worf had a moment of hesitation to carry out the order, but in the end bitched out and did it- and then it was never brought up again. A moment like that should have soured Worf against Sisko for quite a while. Worf should have taken that move seriously.

>>81598567
>It's like burning somebody's house down
The house should still be intact in your analogy, since the planet is still habitable.

>>81598496
>>81598527
to add to this obviously a moving spaceship is going to be under a constant different structural stress compared to a stationary base and require more maintenance

but I don't blame DS9 fans for not knowing this, the only ship they ever saw was the Defiant and its plot armor

>>81598527
>true facts that are even lampshaded by the characters
>"meme"
How much of a butthurt fanboy can you be?

Are you seriously asking why they didn't spend time detailing the re-supply patterns of a major space station? What the fuck am I even reading, this isn't Hearts of Iron, Star Trek NEVER micromanaged shit like that. The whole point of technobabble is "I don't have to explain shit".

And again, even by your anti-logic, it's trivial. Dozens of episodes state there are regularly scheduled trade routes passing through DS9, including Federation ships. They give them the supplies they need. Hell, I'm pretty sure they explicitly state this at least once (O'Brien saying they need to wait for new parts, or that he put in a request for new equipment). Which you would know if you actually watched the show.

How the Enterprise, which is constantly on the move, not always in Federation space, and certainly not next to a planet with (canonically) industrial-grade replicators never runs out of anything is an actual question, though.

>>81598098
>>81598103
>Alaskan

so...Canadian

>>81598567
It's like giving someone else's house to syrian refugees and then act as if you did nothing wrong because the house is still there and the people got away (maybe) before being raped or murdered

>>81598644
Not by humans. From the refugee's point of view he basically burned their house down. The show acts like he's not in wrong because graciously decided to not murder them as well.

>>81591397
>DS9 isn't for cucks
>literally has a story arc revolving around kiras mother being a comfort girl and her father being a cuck

Capped for future threads to shit on DS9.

>>81598358
DS9 makes sense in at least they can get replacement parts and supplies from the Federation


Voyager somehow remains pristine with a steady supply of torpedoes, biogel packs and new hull plating which comes from ???

>>81598717
>the refugee's point of view
You mean the same people that burned down the Cardassians' house?

Well, the analogy doesn't work, because the Cardassians' house is still standing too, and they get to go live in it.

And they're probably grateful that Sisko didn't arrest them after they burned down the Cardassians' house (which didn't burn down).

>>81598677
Nice dubs, not nice post desu.

But you must not have seen DS9 because literally hundreds of Starfleet, Klingon, Dominion, Romulan, Cardassian, Breen, etc. ships show up. Fuck, I've seen people complain a few threads ago that there were TOO many ships in DS9, since Wolf-359 was supposed to be this huge loss with only 40.


Not to mention that saying the Defiant had plot armor (when it lasted for less than three seasons and was used sparingly) is downright silly compared to all the times the Enterprise survived stuff it shouldn't have due to plot fiat.

DS9 is far from perfect but at least don't make up blatantly untrue criticism.

>>81598699
>lol the enterprise broke every episode!!!
>this is considered fact or meme

the only times stuff like that happened was when the ship was under extreme stress and doing something incredible

>b-b-ut the holodeck

if you actually watched the show instead of skipping the first two seasons or the entire show to go watch le based sisko meme you would have know that holodeck was REALLY NEW technology and almost experimental

>>81598749
Voyager scouted planets to acquire resources, even the ones that couldn't be replicated and traded with different races. Nothing absurd about keeping the ship working and in good state. They could replicate pretty much everything except some materials they could easily find

>>81598749
>Voyager somehow remains pristine with a steady supply of torpedoes, biogel packs and new hull plating which comes from ???

This is the nth time this as come up, but goddamn VOY makes me angry. The premise was fucking excellent and having a mashup crew of Feds and Maquis was a great idea.

If the show had committed to seasonal arcs and continuity, shit would have been cash. Watching the first season of Battlestar Galactica shows this. That show recycled concepts from VOY that the network turned down.

>>81598807
But Janeway says that they can't make more torpedoes. So how do they make more torpedoes?

I guess the Voyager writers have a low opinion of the audience, and they thought that we wouldn't notice.

>>81598311
Post examples of when the Enterprise would end up just breaking down for no reason instead of running into a gravity well or a area of subspace that fucked up their shit

>>81598837
they found new technology all the time, they obviously found a way to make new torpedoes

also did they ever tell how many torpedoes they actually had?

>>81598699
>industrial-grade replicators never runs out of anything is an actual question, though.
So you're saying you've never seen any TNG episodes? I can recall several where the Enterprise is docked for maintenance and restocking supplies

>>81598904
>also did they ever tell how many torpedoes they actually had?

They were constantly talking about being down to 'x' number of torpedoes in combat.

Post examples of moving the goalposts.

I'll start: >>81598841

>>81598807
I watched all of season 1, m9. Encounter at Farpoint shows it as reasonably new, but not necessarily experimental. If they put it on a ship with hundreds of civilians it must not have been that bleeding edge.

Still, that's not a counter-point. Saying there was a reason for not working correctly is agreeing with my point (it didn't work correctly).

The Defiant's cloak was also cutting edge and broke down several times, this isn't abnormal for new tech.

>>81598841
I don't have to, since I never said it broke down for no reason. If you send an all-terrain vehicle into difficult terrain and it faces problems constantly, then it's not a very good all-terrain vehicle. The Enteprise was supposedly built for exploration, yet whenever it ran across something new the ship would shit itself and Geordi would have to McGuyver them out of it.

>>81598904
>>81598837
They dropped the limited torpedoes after season one, same with the biogel circuitry

was too hard for the writers to deal with so they just dropped it


I dont know how they expected Trekkies not to be autistic about it really

>>81598904
>they found new technology all the time, they obviously found a way to make new torpedoes
They told the audience that it cannot be done. If the situation changes, they should tell the audience. Otherwise, Voyager is guilty of bad writing.

>also did they ever tell how many torpedoes they actually had?
Watch the video in >>81598447.

>>81598962
>Biogel

What ever was the point of that anyway? In-universe or out? The pilot made such a huge deal about it that I expected it to be a major factor in the show, but it really lead nowhere ever.

>>81598907
Do you have zero reading comprehension? I wrote "never". Meaning, it's never been shown they face supply difficulties, even though they reasonably should at least once in a while given they're often not in Federation or otherwise friendly space.

This isn't the same as saying how come they don't always face supply challenges, which is what you seem to think I was saying.

Even if I had missed those, that wouldn't mean I hadn't seen any TNG episodes. You seem to have a problem with proper use of qualifiers.

>>81598966
>Voyager is guilty of bad writing.
This is almost universally acknowledged by ST fans isn't it?

>>81598962
>They dropped the limited torpedoes after season one, same with the biogel circuitry
False. Bio-neural gel packs were still being referenced even in season 7, such as in the episode Shattered.

If they want to change the premise, why not tell the audience that they've discovered a new way to make torpedoes? Changing the premise without explanation is bad writing.

You would be upset if season 2 opened with them suddenly back in the Alpha Quadrant, and no explanation was given, wouldn't you?

>>81598934
>claim the enterprise broke constantly
>b-but I can't name examples!

>>81598948
The only recurring problem was the holodeck and it usually wasn't even the fault of the technology on its own. Claiming that the Enterprise broke constantly is not true, I really don't understand why you people have to try this hard with all these lies.

>>81599034
There are some weirdos out there.

Also, some individual episodes have good writing, but the biggest problem is lack of any sort of consistency. Janeway's bipolar thinking is always brought up, but that's just one example. The show shifts tone and character traits and it is disorienting as hell, even in the good episodes.

>>81599034
There is a poster in this thread RIGHT NOW insisting that people shouldn't criticize Voyager for having infinite supplies.
>>81598358

>>81599000
I didn't select the entire line you wrote because I just don't give a fuck.
They shouldn't face supply problems because it's a literal non-issue. They're always stocked and staffed, which as I was pointing out, is shown several times throughout the show so why would they need to add filler about them running low on supplies?

>>81599074
>claim the enterprise broke down a lot
>okay, but name examples where it happened in this specific manner (that you never even mentioned)
>what do you mean, I'm moving the goalposts?
This is why arguing over the internet is pointless.

>>81599090
>show clearly states that they hunt for resources all the time
>they even have episodes that start with a shortage of something and end up with them finding the stuff
>they use rations multiple times
>etc.

B-B-ADLY WRITTEN! THEY NEVER EXPLAIN ANYTHING! MUH TORPEDOS! WHY ARE THEY STILL USING DYLITHIUM INSTEAD OF A WOODEN SHIP WITH SOLAR WIND? DID THEY NEVER STUDY BAJORAN HISTORY? MUH TORPEDOES!!!

>>81598934
Well for a start the Holodeck was a experimental piece of technology and when it fucked up it was due to Data doing something retarded like trying to create an intelligence on the same level as him or aliens fucking around with the Holodeck
It's a exploration ship that regularly deal with things nobody in Starfleet had ever dealt with before such as the Borg and Q. DS9 was a space station on a trading route whose main problem was Cardassian dickery and acquiring enough photon torpedos and phaser banks to stop an entire fleet in their tracks.

>>81599126
Yes. I'm fully on board with you. This was my original point to the other anon who was claiming that DS9 needed to go into detail about how they got their stuff.

All I was trying to point out is that it's far more intuitive (thousands of merchants pass through weekly, they sell wares) than how a moving ship like Enterprise gets their stuff sometimes (like when they spend several weeks in the Neutral Zone or something, where there's no nearby starbase).

Spending time on either is pointless filler.

>>81598993
I think it was just to give the doctor more stuff to do since he was stuck in the med bay for so long

so biogel packs gave him an excuse to work on stuff?

>>81599126
>why would they need to add filler about them running low on supplies?
Third party here, but I would love to see an episode about the ship completely running out of some supply.

An episode.

Just one.

Any series, but preferably Voyager.

Just one episode where they're completely out of torpedoes, or completely out of shuttles, or completely out of replicator rations, or something else along those lines.

It doesn't need to be a regular thing, but I was a little bothered that nobody ever ran out of anything.

>>81589987
Sisko was wrong for killing that planet. WTF, man?

>>81599144
except the guy clearly means it broke down a lot on its own forgetting that the Enterprise was exploring and facing NEW things that the ship couldn't be prepared for so obviously there were going to be problems

if the ISS is hit by asteroids and breaks it doesn't mean the ISS is badly designed but it was because of external events.

The Enterprise exploder the galaxy and faced new things that put the ship in new scenarios it wasn't designed for, obviously it had consequences. DS9 was a station made to stand still and do nothing and worked fine, big deal.

>>81599222
Apologies anon

>>81599260
I'm not dead.

t. Planet

>>81599235
Wait? Did the Doctor constantly work on them? I never picked up him doing much with biogel packs.

>>81599160
>show clearly states that they cannot do something
>they do it anyway
>no explanation is given
You can type in ALL CAPS all you want, but that won't stop the rest of us from seeing something wrong with this.

>>81599265
I'm the poster you were replying to, that's not what I meant.

I don't think I implied that, but if I did that's not what I believe. The Enterprise was a fine ship on its own, I was just saying that it had difficulty when encountering new situations.

>stand still
And yet they managed to make it move across a solar system in the pilot. Pretty impressive feat considering half the systems weren't operational.

>>81599419
it also defeats an entire fleet of cardassian warships without almost no working weapons in the pilot

but I guess that's not "convenient" bad writing like in VOY but amazing and deep meaningful writing

>>81599311
I think it came up a few times when they got infected with viruses or something

>>81599485
desu few DS9 fans argue that anything in the first season is deep or amazing, aside from Duet. It doesn't really find its footing until season three, when they introduce the tensions with the Dominion, the Romulan scheming, and the Defiant.

>>81599485
>it also defeats an entire fleet of cardassian warships without almost no working weapons in the pilot
No, it doesn't.

In the pilot, only 3 Cardassian ships show up and they defeat DS9.

Kira is about to surrender until the Prophets give back Sisko and Dukat.

Your problems with the series stem from you skimming Wiki articles and not remembering what happened in episodes that you watched years ago.

>>81599311
the biogel packs were the doctor's brain, that's why he was almost human anyway, I think they bring it up that his brain is really no different than theirs

>>81592170
>>I don't know what 'intergalactic' means
So, you're just like 99.9% of sci-fi TV and movie writers, then. The only sci-fi show I can think of with an actual intergalactic war was Stargate SG-1 and, briefly, SG Atlantis.

>>81599575
3 ships are a fleet

Voyager is absolute fucking garbage, but oddly I find it to be the comfiest show


TNG just aged so badly with aestetics, and the film quality is so bad in HD

In the HD version on Netflix you can see how fucking cheap the sets and costumes are, and everything is that hideous beige color on the Enterprise D . TNG is just hard to watch, somehow it aged worse than TOS did in that regard

At least Voyager still looks nice aside from the CGI stuff

>>81599621
You're still describing events that didn't happen. They defeated DS9, not the other way around.

>>81599592
the biogel packs were the entire ships circuity

it was supposed to be faster computing because it simulated a brain

However that makes no sense in a universe where they have Data who is thousands of times faster and used isolinear circuits or whatever the fuck it was

>>81599657
who won by the end? DS9 and Sisko, how they did it doesn't change, especially considering the wormhole aliens are pretty much part of the maincast anyway

File: wedding-attenders.jpg (701KB, 1400x933px) Image search: [Google]

701KB, 1400x933px

>>81591344
After the Dominion war both Sisko and Janeway were court-marshalled and brought before a federation court (pic related). Admiral Nechayev presided and asked the crowd who she should free. She brought forth Janeway and listed crime after crime she committed in her warpath across the delta quadrant. "Or would you have me punish this humble Prophet" she said as she pointed to captain Sisko. The crowd shouted "Sisko!", because no one likes niggers.

And that's why we have Admiral Janeway and Sisko is cracking rocks, forgotten at the Federation New Zealand penal colony.

>>81599699
Who are you trying to convince?

Does anyone know if the DS9 novels are worth reading?

>>81599745
>state logic
>somehow it's wrong

So if Spock saved the Enterprise it wouldn't count as them winning? If Paris did it it wouldn't be a victory for Voyager and its crew? It's the same logic.

>>81599780
The one written by Garak.

>>81599722
Why couldn't the Fed punish both of them?

>>81599922
Because they needed someone to make a cameo.

>>81599922
Janeway was above the law

Are you gonna fuck with a woman who has shown to have no regard for human life, the prime directive, or the temporal prime directive

Screw over Janeway and she will go back in time and kill your mother when she is pregnant with you using her pet borg

>>81599575
>>81599621
>>81599657
They had nothing but they used it well.

>>81598962
If they could build a shuttle with a warp core from scratch they can build a damn torpedo. There was a lost opportunity to explain it in the show. I still remember in elementary school having some intense discussions with my friend about all the cool new alien tech they'll integrate into the ship. And then they did nothing.

When seven joined the ship she put in all these borg enhancements and at the end of the episode Janeway's like "get all that borg garbage out of here". Jesus christ woman!

>>81599997
Thats pretty much the major problem with Voyager

Everyone expected something like that, but it was just TNG : The B Team

>>81599999
>>81600000

Whats the gets

>>81590068

>weary of war

hardly, the original Cardassian conflict was practically a police action

they federation just bend over easily

>>81600386
They had planned an entire fleet of defiants for facing the borg, wolf 359 was like starfleet pearl harbor. Of course it also begins the shattering of the federation which brings maquis and shit.

File: 1490236285769.jpg (31KB, 475x363px) Image search: [Google]

31KB, 475x363px

>>81596336
*evolves from prophet*

Started watching DS9 a few days ago. Watched all the ferengi focused episodes.

They're so fucking interesting & entertaining everything else is bland in comparison.

quark-based trek series WHEN?

>>81600686
It's not ALL bland, just Dax, Bashir (excluding Garak), and most Kira episodes are.

>>81600733

I'm not saying the other episodes suck. I watched a few and they were pretty good. It's just that compared to ferengi episodes they're pretty meh.

kira episodes the worst

>>81600772
Finish watching season 1.

As of Duet, Kira is the best.

>>81600880
Yeah, Cardassian drama eps get pretty good and that tends to involve Kira. Kira without Cardassians is like Bashir without Garak though.

>>81600733
Was Bashir being Khan 2.0 ever brought up after that one episode?

>>81601071
Yes.

>>81601071
There was that time with the retard squad I think and it came up from time to time but eh

File: smiley.jpg (27KB, 576x432px) Image search: [Google]

27KB, 576x432px

I am just getting a picture of DS9's fridge logic on like my 4th watch through. Starfleet is in really bad shape, making really awful treaties and even DS9 a major waypoint only has like 1 starfleet ship pass through per season. Half the starfleet that DO come through end up being traitors. Small factions like Section 31 and other people fighting for power within Starfleet mirrors the Bajoran power struggles.

>>81601399
While I agree with your observations, DS9, especially early on, was meant to represent the frontier. Bashir explicitly refers to coming to DS9 to practice "frontier medicine".

They're far from Earth or Vulcan, and the only people who come out that far are either merchants, opportunists or people on the run. Makes sense we don't see a lot of cookie-cutter Starfleet officers. Why would they even be there?

With the Dominion War though, all bets are off and the station gets a large permanent Federation presence (Admiral Ross, quite possibly the only Starfleet admiral not portrayed as evil, incompetent or corrupt).

>>81598712

So basically what happens in Sweden every day.

File: 1491546085310.png (121KB, 264x396px) Image search: [Google]

121KB, 264x396px

Can we all agree that:

TOS > TNG > DS9 > ENT > VOY

Voyage Home > Undiscovered Country > Wrath of Khan > First Contact > Search For Spock > Motion Picture > Insurrection > Final Frontier > Generations > Nemesis

>>81601734
It was supposed to be the frontier before it WAS the frontier to the gamma quadrant. The wormhole was a quadrant-wide game changer and the federation just couldn't get in that game. The only reason they were able to come for the dominion war was because they had some serious diplomats working on the klingon and romulan empires (TNG overlap).

Had the klingons and romulans stayed on the spoonhead side the federation would have probably fallen apart with so many fronts.

Definitely the beginning of the fall
>I thought the Starfleet didn't believe in warships

>>81601800
lol that movie list

khan > undiscovered country > search for spock (only cause christopher lloyd was amazing) > voyage home > motion picture ~= TNG movies all meh

>>81601800
Eh, I can't agree with TOS being that high because it didn't age that well. I don't think you can put it on the same list with the others, who were filmed during an unbroken continuum of almost 20 years, allowing for direct comparisons.

TOS should be its own thing, in recognition of its importance and innovativeness, but a lot of the episodes just seem very outdated by our standards.

>>81601880
TOS movies are better than Voy+ENT put together, the series itself.... eh.

>>81601880
TOS was great, but it suffered from too many nearly-omnipotent aliens and a need to use a lot of sets and costumes from different genres.

>>81601813
I don't think there was ever a time where the Klingons, the Romulans and Cardies were on the same side.

In Season 3, there was a joint Cardassian (Obsidian Order, really)-Romulan expedition to Gamma which collapsed, and that was basically it for the alliance.

The Klingons waged a pretty intense war with the Cardassians in seasons 4-5, IIRC. I don't recall them ever being allies.

Now, had Sisko's and Garak's plan in In The Pale Moonlight failed, the Klingon-UFP alliance would have at best drawn a stalemate with Dominion-Cardassia.

Although all those what ifs are kind of in vain since we know the Prophets would have intervened to save Sisko's (and by extension, the Alpha Quadrant's) ass no matter what

>>81600444

but before that an entire generation grew up on every day being bring-your-kids-to-space day..

>>81601912
This.

>>81601963
yeah, deus gonna ex machina. I don't know if there was ever any serious risk of them joining the dominion/cardy side but I'm sure there was an ep or two about probly house Duras and allies going against martok + federation. I don't remember it but there really must have been.

>>81601984
>>81601912

only the even number ones

tho search for spock is "ok" because it makes a nice little arc

>>81602021
The Duras sisters made at least one appearance, with their usual scheming, although I don't recall if there was a Dominion connection.

Given it's them, the most Romulan of the Klingons, you might very well be right.

File: lloyd.jpg (57KB, 584x279px) Image search: [Google]

57KB, 584x279px

>>81602022
Search for spock wasn't an awful movie but seriously they had the BEST klingons, Kruge and his pet dog thing.

>another good thread ruined by DS9 autists

>>81602428
DS9 was pretty unique among the trek shows, it has most of my favorite eps out of all series and some of the best characters. It also has some of the least favorite of both.

TNG was just.... good, not very deep though. They set a high enough bar that no show in that format will ever compare, DS9 succeeded in different ways and failed whenever they tried to be like TNG. What else is there to discuss about it?

>>81602528
I could explain it but I would rather insult you, retard

>>81602110

they were a bit 2d, the undiscovered country gave them more depth and intrigue desu

>>81603326
yeah, but it was a 2d reflection of kirk's prejudices too. Before he comes around in 6 they were perfectly 2d against each other.

>>81602428
>thread ruined by people praising an aspect of a Trek show
>not by butthurt 80s kids who can't accept other shows have their good attributes, and TNG wasn't perfect, and sperg out
You're either trolling or one of them.

I hear DS9 fans say that it's their favorite show, but rarely do I hear them say anything substantively negative about TNG.

On the other hand, there's always TNG autists who go (pick your poison, I've seen at least one of these every single fucking thread)
>not muh Trek
>terrible acting
>Cardassians did nothing wrong, gas the nose ridges (/pol/ flavor)
>It ripped off Babylon 5!!1 (despite being totally different in every except the most basic of ways)
etc etc.

I swear, it's like you people get personally offended that others have different tastes.

This whole shitstorm started because one idiot couldn't stand to see someone praise O'Brien's handling of engineering at DS9, called it bad writing for no reason beyond butthurt and somehow defended Voyager in the span of two sentences.

>>81603478
Nice biased review of the thread

>>81603620
bruh there were like 9 posts where one guy kept arguing about shit that didn't even happen in the ds9 pilot

It's perpetual goalpost moving, and it's beyond tiring to always be on the defensive, particularly against imagined slights by anons who clearly haven't watched the show, in these threads as a ds9 fan just because dipshits don't realize people can like more than one show.

Then again, /tv/ is a shit board so why am I surprised.

>>81603698
nice victim complex

>everyone is bad except us!
>TNG autists hate us! but is fine to call them this way for me! and I am sure it's TNG autists!
>someone corrected a retard saying wrong things! this is a persecution!
>we literally are oppressed!

it's absurd the lenght you DS9 fans will go if someone breaks your safe space, worse than the ENT guy

>>81603773
There's no real TNG autists around, only trolls. ENT guy is a real, truly sad, human being though.

>>81598098

Alaska has hockey.

>>81603802
especially considering TNG is the most criticized series in all these threads and yet DS9 fans have the guts to act as victims when they were the ones to create this climate

>>81603773
>everyone is bad except us
Never said that.

>it's fine to call them this way
If someone insults you, it's reasonable to say they're a dick. This is /pol/-tier "How come I get called intolerant for saying other races are inferior? That's the true intolerance!"

>corrected a retard saying wrong things
Literally wrong. Every single factual (since we can't argue preferences) assertion in this thread against DS9 was wrong, from the station taking out an entire fleet (never happened) to it being an unadressed plot point about how they restock (they do address it).

If you're referring to the "Enterprise has mechanical problems a lot", that was one anon arguing against a position that wasn't even held (that the Enterprise breaks down on its own, which wasn't written in any of the posts above), and then admitting it runs into problems often because it encounters anomalies.

>we literally are oppressed
Never said that either. Just that there are idiots who are often needlessly belligerent, and often using factual errors.

You either don't know how to read the thread, or are being purposefully disingenuous.

But please go on, I can refute this shit all night long.

>>81603848
>DS9 fans created the hostile climate on 4chan
holy shit this is a new level of ridiculous

go into any other thread on /tv/, everyone's an asshole there, and no ds9 discussion to be found

>>81603892
I was talking about the trek threads, if you were here from the start you would know how things went.
if you lurk enough you would also see that all the old images were done by DS9 fans shitting on all the other series especially TNG

>>81603869
>claim that Enterprise was incompetently run because it broke "constantly" unlike DS9 thanks to "based" Sisko
>other people point out that's not the case and obviously a spaceship exploring will face more things than a stationary space station
>ARRRGH! STOP YOU ARE INSULTING US! WHY CAN'T YOU JUST ACCEPT OUR WRONG STATEMENTS? YOU ARE HATEFUL AND TOXIC

>>81604017
>>81604017
You don't know how arguments work.

I never once used the word based, so you quoting it is wrong, for one.

Nor did I ever say the Enterprise was incompetently run (you clearly didn't read any of my posts) - all I said is that, despite having all the resources they could want, they still experienced crap.

The point was a contrast - Sisko was dealt a far shittier hand (run down prison station with mashed-up tech, very little actual Starfleet crew, etc.) and got it to work, while the Enterprise suffered every time they encountered something new. This is mostly due to different formats: the more episodic TNG needed a new threat every week, while DS9 could rely on its multi-episode arcs and long-developing plots as needed.

And this wasn't a hit against TNG as a show, which you would have understood were you even remotely capable of rational thought. I never said a bad thing about the writing, acting, directing, or anything else. As an actual Star Trek fan, I love TNG, just like I love DS9. But for your autistic kind, mentioning that the Enterprise-D isn't flawless is some kind of hate crime apparently. Watching Generations (assuming you ever did) must have been physically painful, what with the Enterprise-D losing and being destroyed. Guess it wasn't that perfect after all.

You have not refuted my central point, about DS9 being sturdier than TNG. All you've done is rationalize the reason why - and I agree with your reason. I never once said I didn't. Yet you somehow claim this is you winning the argument?

You cannot refute my central point, unless you show me some alternate TNG where the plot for 1/3 of the episodes wasn't "we ran into something new and now [x] isn't working right". Until then, I remain correct - the Enterprise sure did malfunction a lot.

Caps lock spam only makes you look like an idiotic 13-year-old. Which you very well may be, since you haven't even attempted an actual discussion beyond "basic competence is bad writing".

>>81604017
>>81604182
You're both awful, please just stop posting if you're going to be cunts about it.

>>81599236
The USS Equinox, in the Voyager episode "Equinox".

It is what Voyager should have been.