Decades old CGI - still great. (comfy lotr thread, when?)

Galadriel's riverdancing is still 10/10

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>only worthy example of the term "kinography"

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>>81531190
This shit was 1991. Good director makes all the difference

>>81531620
A good director can't magically make cgi good if the tech isn't there. The tech in 1991 was shit compared to just a few years later. That's how quick the animation industry adapts and changes.

>>81531703
>A good director can't magically make cgi good if the tech isn't there
>the tech in 1991 was shit

So are you saying James Cameron made Terminator 2 look fucking amazing despite the tech?

>>81531275
>watch it Isildur

>>81531703
But I was giving that as an example of really good CGI that still holds up today.

>>81531758
Yes. Is that unreasonable to you?

>>81531804
Oh, were you? I guess. I don't think those graphics really hold up though, it has a "tech demo windows 98" vibe now.

some places it really doesnt, watch when the orcs are falling down the cracking earth at the end of Return Of The King

>>81531854
that looks fine. It's a wideshot from far away, the detail doesn't have to be there. I assume that was one of the rushed Weta scenes.

>>81531810
No, I feel like that's exactly what he did. I was more hung up on the "good director can't magically make cgi good if the tech isn't there" followed by an example of someone who did it.

I misunderstood, you mean James Cameron literally made that film with magic. I agree.

>>81531918
So, you are going to be a cheeky cunt then? Cool. I never gave an example of "someone who did it", I was saying that it really doesn't look that amazing but he did what he could with the tech that he did.

>>81532012
No, not being a cunt at all. Just praising James Cameron. It's crazy what he did with the tech at the time. Dude is literally a wizard is what I'm saying.

>>81532095
ok

>OP wants comfy lotr thread
>nobody talks about lotr
what has happened to /tv/?

>>81532279
Instead of a comfy lotr thread, we got a bizarrely tense T2 thread

>>81531428
How much does that cost, like six grand?

>>81531854
the scenes that stick out most to me are some of the staircase scenes in Moria

>>81532516
I got it for uh...I can't remember. 50 to 60 bucks on Amazon when it first came out?

>>81532516
>the comfy 6 hours of bonus material compiled from all other releases
>snowy winter day, pop in Peter just lounging about, talking about how he made this thing like it was just a small fan-film.
The bonus material is fucking great.

>>81532566
Percival Von Munybaggs here

>>81531620

That shot was a practical effect.

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let's stay on topic here, lads

>>81532603
that's not a lot for 9 blu-ray discs, anon.

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I gotcha, OP

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>>81532620
HOLD UP

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>>81531190

>>81532772
I just ordered two books with Alan Lee's art as the book covers. It's gonna be comfy.

>>81532095
so if someone makes it good for the time it will be good for all time to you?

the cgi looks like shit today.
the practical effects however are great

>>81531428
Opening this bastard felt like Christmas morning. Too bad the cases themselves are so flimsy, considering how many discs it has to hold

>>81531190

Sam was the hero we needed but not the one we deserved.

>>81531190

It appears CGI got shittier after a certain point because suddently a lot more animators were around, and not all of them were experienced so they churned out subpar effects.

>>81533695
Weta performed a fucking miracle given their schedule though

>>81531242
what the fuck is up with you and that shit not a first thread you pull that

Well...great thread.

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Childhood is loving the LOTR trilogy
Adulthood is realizing The Hobbit is 10x better

>>81535679
Get out

>>81535679
Childhood is loving LOTR
Adulthood is realizing that it is good, but it is nothing that special

>>81535838
>one of the greatest trilogies in American cinema
>one of the greatest book adaptations
>"nothing special"
Kek

>>81535879
The CGI is good, but the villains could be better handled, and they focus too much on uninteresting characters, like Boromir's family

>>81535947
Oh man...wew...

Trying really hard to pretend being retarded

>>81536015
Come on! You are really gonna tell me you give a fuck about the character portrayed by that guy from Fringe!?

>>81535679
You just wanted to shitpost, didn't you?

>>81531620
Literally a practical effect

>>81531854
RotK suffers the most from bad SFX because of the sheer volume and it was being rushed out

>>81532560
There's an overhead shot of the fellowship running across the bridge that looks like a ps1 fmv

>>81532668
This is Blade Runner minimalist poster tier but I like it anyway

>>81532828
>Orthanc and Barad-Dur depicted as "The Two Towers"

REEEEEE

>>81536027

>shitposting not fit for Denethor's halls

>>81536027
Naah Denethor's an asshole, Faramir is a bro.

>>81534004
Not really, they had like 5 years to do all that shit, It's impressive but they weren't pressed for time

>>81535879
>American cinema

This is good bait

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>>81532516
Well if you want to get the $500 book version of the entire film set then go ahead

>charging $500 for this
what the fuck

Who played Battle for Middle Earth 2 here? LOTR only has a few decent games and that is one of them.

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Who else saw LOTR in the cinemas?

I missed the first one but saw Towers and Return. I still remember being incredibly spooked by the swamp scene.

>mfw I seriously thought they killed off Aragorn

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>>81536274
I saw all three in the cinemas as a kid. I remember I couldn't stop drawing the siege of Helm's Deep afterwards. I must've gone to watch the last two multiple times. My favourite films.

>Childhood is saying The Two Towers is the best
>Teenagehood is saying Return of the King is best
>Adulthood is saying Fellowship of the Ring is probably the best made and most comfy

>>81536274
>tfw skipped school with Mum to see fellowship a week after it released
It was magical. My mother is to blame for my nerdiness. She's the idiot who introduced to sci-fi as well.

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>>81536345
>mfw I remember my family renting Fellowship of the Ring on VHS as we watched it
>10/10 blown away
>Want to rewatch it but my dad returned it to video store ;_;
>My birthday comes around and I get the widescreen VHS version as a present along with a comfy Titanic documentary on VHS
Those were the days

>>81536336

For me it was

>childhood seeing the first movie and pulling a book out of my bag it was so dull
>adulthood avoiding everything to do with these drawn out, indulgent snoozefests

I'd rather watch fucking Willow.

>>81536235
They did not have five years on Return of the King...no. There is literally close to 2 hours of bonus material on this.

>>81536336

Real shit

>>81536244
Are you one of those dumb faggot underages that thinks Citizen Kane is "le boring"?

>>81536336
i made a little helms deep out of balsa wood and polystyrene when i was a kid

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>>81536382
How can people not like LOTR? It's the only fantasy film that isn't a cringefest.

>>81536336
I remember being amazed with how much footage they cut out and put on the extended cut. I loved the extended ghost scenes in return

>>81536433
Same way how can anyone not like The Dark Knight?

Both Nolan and Jackson kind of became memes but their earlier films no doubt are masterpieces

>>81536350
this happened in a movie? why don't I remember anything

>>81536415
Not LOTR related but speaking of creations, I made the Batman 1989 church out of Lego with an inside staircase and everything leading up to the bell at top when I was a kid.

It really saddens me when kids nowadays are obsessed with minecraft and never actually build stuff with real legos anymore

>>81536274
>Who else saw LOTR in the cinemas?
Most of us I dare hope. TFotR ended on such a frustrating note, finally getting TTT a year later was a true blessing.

>>81531190
This was shit when it came out.

>>81536461
That's from Smaug Desolation, the only part of the Hobbit trilogy that's worth the time.

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>>81536477

>>81536433
>How can people not like LOTR?
The movies may be too lenghty for people who don't have the patience.

>>81536454
>how can anyone not like The Dark Knight?
They're too serious.

>>81536497
>That's from Smaug Desolation, the only part of the Hobbit trilogy that's worth the time.
THIS GUY KNOWS WHAT'S UP. The only Hobbit movie I actually enjoyed because I loved the Elf scenes despite hating the over the top CGI fights

>>81536501
You're all the prequel babies of LotR

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ONE OF THE MOST INTENSE SCENES OF CINEMA HISTORY

>>81531854
you mention that and not the troll scene in moria?
That troll scene is horrendous now

Who's the best orc?

Gothmog is a real mofo

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>>81536258
Come on this game was kino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DPFnoELXjQ

>mfw Viggo had to sit in a studio for hours recording voice overs for a video game

>>81536433

I find the world too sterile, the pace too slow without any tension or buildup to make up for it (Das Boot is one of my favourite films, so it's not an ADD thing) far too much use of CGI which is a massive disappointment from the man that gave us Bad Taste and Braindead..

I want to like these films, its a good 6 hours of fantasy that I'm missing out on, but it's just dull and I give zero fucks about the characters and their motives.

>>81536454
Only retards on here think in that way. Not normal people in reality.

>>81536587
Azog. Gothmog moved.

>>81536210
Which towers are the two towers then
There's like 5

>>81536598
>its a good 6 hours of fantasy
It's 11 hours long for the extended versions.

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>>81536598
Don't forget that the very first movie Jackson ever made was an R Rated Muppets

>>81536274
Saw all three in theaters
Was supposed to see Monsters Inc but friends drunk dad took us to Fellowship, changed my life honestly
Was never into fantasy until then and became a mega dork because of it

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Lotr trilogy was so good, what ended up being the hobbit trilogy still hurts my soul

>>81536612
Nobody really knows, I guess. Isengard and Sauron'a tower make the most narrative sense though.

>>81536274
Are you me? I missed the first one too, and saw the second and third at the cinema.

I was absolutely floored by the second one. I thought it was incredible...

... then I saw the third one. The charge of the Rohirrim absolutely sold me.

>>81536596
This and the ROTK PS2 game were the 'few decent' games I was talking about. Everything else was meh.

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>>81536626
>and the studio made Zack Snyder cut BvS down because they felt it was too long
HOW DID JACKSON GET AWAY WITH A 200 MINUTE THEATRICAL CUT??

I'm guessing since Fellowship and Towers did so well at the box office, they didn't care with trimming it down

>>81531854
The wargs from Two Towers are pretty bad too, along with the part where the ents flood Isengard. It's very clearly a miniature that they composited little orcs dancing in place onto. It reminds me of the scene in Hell at the end of the Spawn movie.

>>81536598
Fair enough. LOTR is pretty much my childhood so I refuse to see any faults when there obviously are some.

The Hobbit was a mess though and I feel embarrassed that they're related to LOTR.

>>81536610
This is obvious bait.

DUDE PS1 GRAPHIC CGI ORC WHO SHOULD BE DEAD LMAO

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>>81536650
>It's a Frodo must bake an apple pie episode
This game was pretty good for book fans I guess since it's not officially based on the movie

>>81536633
At least it wasn't the Phantom Menace
An Unexpected Journey was okay, but the other 2 not so much

Maybe you remember me from earlier threads but a while ago I convinced my parents to see lotr with me. We just finished Return of the King and they really enjoyed the whole experience and kept talking about the films after we watched one. We watched Extended and I'd probably have preferred to watch theatrical if we had found a copy but it worked well anyway.

>>81536274
i saw fellowship with live orchestra last sunday
i was surprised at how spot-on their performance was, especially the singer´s

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>>81536695
>At least it wasn't the Phantom Menace
The Phantom Menace is a masterpiece compared to Unexpected Journey and the Battle

I loved Phantom as a kid and will always continue to love it

Not to mention it's the best aged prequel film because Lucas actually used lots of practicals in it and him shooting it on film gives it a more better look than the digital CGI sequels

Come on Phantom Menace is one of the most comfiest films in my opinion

>>81536659
Peter had immense creative control and the global success of the trilogy pretty much transformed him into a Hollywood big-wig creative authority overnight.

>>81536693
Kek, never played it but have watched videos.

The Hobbit PS2 game looks better than the film from what I've seen.

>>81536671

I have friends that love both, but I only berate them for liking the hobbit trilogy. I might not like either but I can still see a world of difference between them.

>>81536735
Agreed

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>>81536741
So why was he made to rush The Hobbit? If he spent say an extra 5 years making them then they could have actually been decent

>>81536735
I can't imagine being this retarded.

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>>81536695
Yes I enjoyed the first hobbit film alot actually, the other 2 though.

>>81536735
>Phantom Menace is one of the most comfiest films in my opinion
Saw it with my dad as a kid probably 10-15 times and I can say now it wasn't that good
I saw LotR shortly after and it's better everytime and it wasn't just fun like Phantom Menace but I actually felt emotion and was on the edge of my seat
To make a film like that, as SLOW as that and capture a kids attention is a feat
Also LotR wasn;t geared for a child audianc elike star wars was so openly
They put some fun stuff for the kiddies in there but played it pretty straight with intense heavy themes going on

>>81536756
He wasn't rushed, he didn't want to do it. So The Hobbit was a complex copyright battle with the Tolkien estate and New Line Cinema, with Peter wanting little involvement. But New Line shat themselves when it finally gor greenlit and Toro left the mess so Peter had to come in and fix it.

>Watch LotR
>Make fun of star wars faggots for being so hurt by the prequels
>Watch the 1st hobbit movie
>"alright that wasnt as good.."
>Watch the second one and the third one
>I get it now

>>81536756
the project was dumped on him and already had a release date

he basically spent the entirety of the production not sleeping

>>81536854
this
someone post that gut wrenching webm of Peter on set in Erebor

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JUST

>>81536800
Anyone who argues that the prequels are competent attempts at film making is a fucking tard.

>>81536612
Orthanc and Cirith Ungol

>>81536908
I feel bad for him :/ he's genuinely a great person.
>employ thousands of kiwis
>employ all your friends you started in tje business with
>faithfully adapt a beloved book series
>loves and respects the fans (see One Ring fan club)
>close connection with all the actors involved
We will never see this sort of magic for many years, friends. It was lightning in a bottle.

>>81536629
That was like his 4th film lol

>>81536833
This. Jackson did do a Lucas.

>>81536935
oooooh
So the combining of the armies of Saruman and the Witch King?
As opposed to Saruman and Sauron

>>81536935
It doesn't make sense if it was Cirith Ungol

Why do some people act as if Gimli was some sort of Jar Jar Binks? His comic relief was welcome in my opinion.

>>81531275
WATCH IT HOBBITS

>>81536969
>>81536975
First half of The Two Towers revolves around Orthanc's forces, the second half climaxes with Sam and Frodo in Cirith Ungol. You could make an argument for Minas Morgul but Barad-Dur doesn't even make an appearance

>>81536999
Idk, never bothered me either
Each fgroup had its own tho
Frodo and Sam had Gollum
Merry AND Pippin
And then Aragorn and Co. with Gimli

>>81536999
Probably because they chose to fuck up his character from the book to just be le wacky dwarf

What's something from the book you wish were in the movies?

I wish Jackson included more factions in the Battle of the Pelennor Fields like Dol Amroth, Lossarnach and the Variags.

I can see why he cut Tom Bombadil tbqh.

>This ring is corruptible af
>btw this random hermit is immune and doesn't care lol

>>81537020
It just seemed like it made narrative sense that the two towers would represent the two congruent forces in conflict against the free peoples of middle earth, both tightening their grip from two opposite ends of the map. Sauron and Saruman. They were the two main villains in the entire trilogy.

>>81537049
I would have liked to see more variations of war machines in the siege of Minis Tirith. In the book, they dug trenches and shit. Would have liked to see more orc-related stuff. Their power dynamics are interesting.

>>81537081
Yeh it would be pretty cool seeing Easterlings and orcs fight in the trenches

>>81537054
That's how it is in the film, in the book it's more literal

>>81537049
Glorfindel rescue Frodo
Would've made revealing Arwyn a much more intimate scene in Rivendell wearing some fine ass Eleven clothing
Instead she is a tough girl who hates daddy, and Glorfindel is a cuck bitch who hold a standard at the crowning of Aragorn

>>81537081
They really, really fucked up the battle of pellennor fields/siege of minas tirith in the film,

Stuff like the knights of dol amroth had to go for time but they still could have kept the trenches and a bit more enemy variety

>>81537158
Idk about "really" fucked up. It still is my second favorite sequence in Return of the King.

>>81537049
God, Tom Bombadil is such a mistake, it's a glaring symptom of Tolkien not knowing where the story was going to go at that point

>inb4 he represents god, neutral countries in WWII, nature or some other shit

>>81537158
Only advantage the movie did with that was show how weak and relaxed Men had become
Sizable Orc army just besieges the mightiest city of Man and doesn't even need to setup entrenchments

>>81537183
I think I read somewhere that his kid had a doll so he threw him in there

>>81537183
>he represents god, neutral countries in WWII, nature or some other shit
Whoa there pal
Some Tolkien purists here bash people who assume he used allegory because he hated it but when i reality he was a contrarian faggot and his life experiences in WWI made LotR
Like the Dead Marshes are literally bodies on the fields in WWI

Does anyway else not like how the bigger battles were directed, They feel too much like an RTS game with everything from a birds-eye view. It gives you a sense of scale but it distances you a lot from what's happening

Needed more emphasis on being in the thick of it I think

>>81536274
I'm from central Europe
people unironically clapped after Theoden's speech in RotK

>>81537266
>needs to be PG-13

>>81537259
The dead marshes being based on his personal experience isn't allegory though, it's inspiration

>daily reminder that there will be a reboot in your lifetime
>daily reminder that it will include a cast of diverse actors

>>81537287
That just makes me wonder how they got away with stuff like the Orcs throwing a bunch of severed heads over the walls or that split second shot of an Uruk crushing an orcs head with a boulder in Cirith Ungol

>>81536756
>So why was he made to rush The Hobbit?
The problem of the Hobbit is that turned two movies worth of content into a trilogy. The first and second movies are rather padded while the last one has pretty much no narrative value whatsoever and is just stretching some thin plotlines to tie over 3 hours. The Hobbit shouldn't have run for more than 5 hours.

>>81536695
TPM is probably the least terrible of the prequel trilogy, AotC being absolutely terrible and RofS being mere fanservice floating on an ocean of feces. Smaug is definitely the strongest entry in the Hobbit Trilogy.

>>81537284
Is that weird to you? Same here in the US, for me.

>>81537322
>daily reminder it will flop

>>81537284
Remove Kebab: The Movie

>>81537322
>MUH DIVERSITY IS BAD REEE
we are trying to have a good time here

>>81536999
Because he only exists as a comic relief? You can also say that Legolas in an accessory to him.

>>81537430
>John Rhys-Davies was the tallest member of the Fellowship

>>81537049
The Pelennor Fields are supposed to be farmlands, but in the movie they're grassy plains. It's not a big deal, but it tickles my autism because it makes me wonder how they get enough food to sustain the population of Minas Tirith. Plus, it would have been great to see the orcs burning down houses and crops, salting the fields, digging up trenches, and generally destroying and pilfering the area surrounding Minas Tirith like they do in the books.

>>81537497
>it makes me wonder how they get enough food to sustain the population of Minas Tirith
I kept wondering how any army was sustainable, in particular Sauron's gigantic armies of orcs living in a barren wasteland.

>>81536596
>>81536258
Fucking loved these games. Wish I were young again.

>>81537462
>John Rhys-Davies has the tip missing from his finger and used a prosthetic tip and blood to prank Peter Jackson

>>81537601
Cheeky little fucker

>>81537552
Mordor actually has farmlands and the charred "blackening" of the region was a fairly recent thing.

Actual Men lived in there too.

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>>81536908
Before you shit on the hobbit, understand that given that he had less than a month of pre-production time before shooting, he did fucking amazing.

Most movies take about 6 months to a year and a half pre-production wise (lotr took 3) and he managed to yolo it in less than a month, and thats having to film 3 movies back to back.

Give fucking credit where credit is due.

>>81537922
This.

First movie isn't even that bad. If bad at all.

>>81537922
It's almost universally acknowledged here the studio was to blame not Peter
I have nothing bad to say about the man

>>81537922
I genuinely believe that the Hobbit would have turned quite nice had they kept it to only two movies.

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>>81538024
Its not even the number of movies, but the lack PP time.
Things that happen in pre-production is
>Scouting
>Armor design
>Monster design
>Getting with the prop masters and seeing what you can do practically
>Actual wardrobe
>Lifecasting for props
>storyboards
>pacing of the movie
>controlled re-writes
>build sets

And when deltaco backed out due to studio interference pissing him off, jackson had to throw everything away and start fresh because deltoro and him have vastly different designs and visions. It would be like asking spielberg to film a Tarantino movie with all thing Tarantino. It wouldnt turn out right, and thats why he had 1 month prep time.

Imagine, even with 3 movies, what it would have looked like had he been given the 3 years deltoro had.

>>81536612
>>81536636
>>81536935

MINAS TIRITH AND MINAS MORGUL REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
FUCKING NORMIES READ THE BOOKS

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who was the jennetty?

>>81538499
Literally the worst answer you could give, they have no relevance to the plot of The Two Towers

>>81531836
It's a practical effect though. You dun goofed.

>>81535947
>one of the most powerful men in middle earth who fought a mindwar with sauron for years.
>boring
I hate how they handled denethor tbph.

>>81536258
I did.
Also third age total war is the best LoTR game.

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>>81540203
>not playing the super comfy LOTR games
Actually the battle for middle earth I, II and return of the witch king are all comfy-tier

>>81540756
LOTRO was comfy as hell

> Farming pipeweed
> Going for a pint in the Prancing Pony
> Riding out and fighting Orc fucking shits with friends