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>>81471278
>i scream at him and he leaves like i said too

This is were I lost it.

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>>81471278
>asian jock
Lol, what!?

>>81471278
>muh brain is melting
watch some high school comedy instead

She's a drama queen, almost everyone in the show agrees she's a drama queen, that's really not a reason to not like it.

What a shit show. They could have used their time to raise awareness about psychological problems, anti social behavior etc but instead they decided to go with the hot raped girl goes suicidal cliche

>>81471430
i agree 90%

I heard theirs a 14th tape full of dolphins porn sounds.

>>81471430
...and she wasn't even exactly raped

>>81471381
No, they say "she was a drama queen but we WERE JUST HEARTLESS AND SELFISH THE WHOLE TIME". Who the fuck wants to watch a girl cry over a drawing being taken out of a bag? Especially when she is the main character?

Or how about mexi-fag saying YEA CLAY YOU WERE THE REASON SHE KILLED HERSELF then it shows "oh wait actually you were perfect lol" what shit writing.

>>81471471
This. She was totally asking for it.

>>81471471
By nowadays standards, even staring at a girl for 5 seconds means that you're raping her "visually".

>>81471461
What's the 10% about?

>>81471278
What a garbage show. I watched a scene of this dude freaking out because this chick he was with was trying to throw a pebble at a lightbulb. This dude was full on speeg going mental over it. Turned off Netflix. 360 walked away

>>81471471
She wasnt. How the fuck was he even suposed to know she didnt want it? Honestly. How? Cause "duhhhh he a bad guy"?? She gave absolutely no indication at ALL that it wasnt wanted then cries when the counselor is confused as to why she is even discussing this.

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>>81471430

If a girl even mildly sympathizes with this psychopath, it's a massive red flag.
This girl was absolutely insane.

>>81471694
Any girl will as will most beta nu-males. Gynocentrism is hugely prevalent in the normie world.

It doesn't matter she literally ruined her best friend's life, SHE was the victim. Fuck this show and fuck anyone who likes it.

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>>81471278
reminder if you watch this show made for moody teenage girls as a 20 something adult male you should be ashamed of yourself

>>81471278
>fuck you for being insecure
>fuck you for having abusive parents making you an asshole
>fuck you for reacting to me embarassing you
>fuck you for growing out of our friendship
>fuck you for """"RAPING"""" me
>fuck you for leaving when i said too
>fuck you for saying i have a nice ass
>fuck you for not letting me tell everyone youre a lesbo

What a great person im so sad she is dead

>>81471809
>not putting on whatever garbage is on Recently Added in the background while you do go through paperwork

is Bryce /ourguy/?

>>81471510
Who says this?

>all these fucking edge lords

This shit happens and wether you agree with the reasoning or not the scary part is there is little to no prevention or support. Thanks for being part of the problem.

>>81472114
Redditors, tumblr and any left radical in that matter.

>>81472189

>watch friend get raped by a guy
>go hangout with that guy afterwards anyway
>get raped

Natural selection

>>81471879
not like we have a shortage of actually good shows to watch.
I'm sure you have missed a few. This garbage should never have been made.

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>>81471278
>be really nice and sweet to her.
>she humillates you in front of everyone.
>steal stupid bunnies from her.
>stop when she fucking tells you to stop.
>WOW WHAT A DICK, YOU MAKE ME KILL MYSELF.

The fuck is this bitch problem.

>>81471278
this sounds super serious and super deep, all adolescent grirls should watch this amazing meaningful lesson-filled piece of kinema.

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>>81472189
Reddit pls go

>>81472253
She's a woman?

>>81472189
>there is little to no prevention or support

There were both, you dumbass.
There was support, she just refused it because she is literally, unironically retarded. She refused to give legitimate details of her """""""""""""""""""""""""""""rape""""""""""""""""""""""""""""". She refused to give the counselor ANY information that would allow them to help her. Same thing for literally any person that tried to get close to her. She pushed EVERYONE away while actively sabotaging them and herself.

The prevention was not being retarded and literally grinding up on someone who she knew raped her friend. Like lmao, who does that?

>show called 13 reasons why
>has 13 episodes
I'm not quite sure what I was otherwise expecting

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>>81472189

>show about suicide

>the suicide isn't a man

>Typically males die from suicide three to five times more often than females. Use of mental health resources may be a significant contributor to the gender difference in suicide rates in the US. Studies have shown that females are 13–21% more likely than males to receive a psychiatric affective diagnosis. While 72–89% of females who committed suicide had contact with a mental health professional at some point in their life, only 41–58% of males who committed suicide had made use of this resource.

>>81472189
>litte to no prevention or support
>little to no
>no

>>81471278
I only saw a couple episodes half way through and it's horribly written date rape had me laughing. Does Chad really let his best friend rape his Somali girlfriend? Hard to believe, it was also written retardedly like "GET THE FUCK OUT WHILE I RAPE YOUR GIRLFRIEND" pure evil shit lamo nobody in high school talks like that. 8/10 because of the Mexican twink and unrealistic peaceful diversity school.

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>>81472352
men suicides are okay though because some equal people are more equal than others.

>>81471529
He's probably saying she isn't hot.

>>81472352
>men make up 78% of suicide deaths
>show about suicide is played by a woman
>silence (nay, support) from them "EVERYTHING MUST BE EQUAL" feminists

Jeff was the real MVP.

13 reasons why not to watch this show

Basically this is a /r9k/ triggering show.

>>81472379
That's correct? I don't know why you're doing le 4chan meme on that sentence.

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>>81472499

my biggest problem was how easy it was for all these kids to get booze. Like shit when i was a junior i had to go two towns over to even get a fucking 6er of Mike's hard. These kids are buy forties on the daily and handles and kegs like it's nothing.

>>81472502
Basically this is a feminist pandering show

post rape webms

Fuck off with this Redditix trash

>being raped by a rapist is the victims fault
>the counselor whose job it is to prevent this shit just lets her walk out and this is her fault
The rest I agree that she brought on herself more or less but those 2 were legit not her fault. A lot of rape victims are too scared to go to the police, and she showed serious hints of being suicidal and the counselor just lets her leave and returns the calls he was getting.

>>81472352
>fuck interesting outliers, let's base tv shows on statistical averages, where all the characters are just boring wagecucks who get home from work and watch netflix until they fall asleep
real exciting idea, you should work in tv

What? someone suicided cause of the tapes she left? I just watched first ep, it was ok

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>>81472499

>>81472702
the idea is you're supposed to kill yourself arter watching the show to get the full effect.

>>81472701
>interesting outliers
A woman killing herself because she was raped is the biggest cliche in suicide kinema.

No one even wants to attempt "man kills himself because of psychological issues" even though that's the VAST majority. I'm sure it's just a coincidence though.

>"I think the message, how I felt when I first read the book, I felt like Hannah, and now, seven years later, I still felt like Hannah even more than I ever did. So I think the message and people, no matter what age you are, can relate to the story," Gomez said on the red carpet. "Everybody has gone through this, and more than ever it should be talked about today."

bigbeast what did you do

>>81472581
>not having parents who are cool and just buy you shit
>not having older siblings
>not having friends who pass for older and have the sociopathic confidence to pull it off when buying booze
>not knowing someone who hangs out with a grown ass man who in hindsight is really creepy to be boozing up with a bunch of teenagers

lol suck it

>>81472764
>No one even wants to attempt "man kills himself because of psychological issues"
Get yourself a camera and do it.

>>81472794
>Gomez continued, "IF you're a woman. If you're a man, man up and work your ass off for your wife and kids. Or kill yourself, no one will miss you. That's what this show is all about."

>>81472764
Cinema cliche =/= common reality

>No one even wants to attempt "man kills himself because of psychological issues" even though that's the VAST majority. I'm sure it's just a coincidence though.
Or maybe teenage boys were never going to read a melodramatic piece of shit about some neutered Elliot Roger trying to make everyone feel guilty for the fact that he's a little faggot.

>>81471278
If the last five years have taught us anything it should be that white women don't have souls

>>81472309
Women do that. It's all about the attention for them, especially in high school.

>>81472842
Ah yes the "muh do it yourself" argument.

Too bad I don't have
>education
>skills
>drive
>passion
>money

But there are many directors who have all of these who choose the "raped woman kills herself" cliche instead. This show is a perfect example.

>>81471278
How are the rape scenes?

>>81472856
Doesn't mean women can't watch a show about male suicide and maybe learn a thing or two. I don't expect men to change their perspective but women certainly could.

OR we can just keep pandering to women's feelings and make them more spoiled than they already are.

>>81472801
yeah my parents blew, and anyone who was 21+ in town was a fucking creep.

i just smoked a lot of weed and did pills.

>>81472945
>yeah those fucking spoiled cunts
>they get all the shows about them getting raped and slicing open their wrists and bleeding to death alone in a bathtub

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>>81471278
> dont say no
Then how is it rape?

>>81472764

It's A Wonderful Life

>>81472933
not as hot as they should be. No titties and the rapist dude looks like he gained 15 pounds for the role just in his face.

>>81472945
>Doesn't mean women can't watch a show about male suicide and maybe learn a thing or two.
Not enough for the fucking dosh. Do you really look at this series and think "artistic integrity with no concern for profits"? Why the fuck would you project this niche onto some lowest common denominator post-Twilight teen melodrama?

>>81472991
>they're not spoiled
>literally all their "problems" are accepted and told as reality even if they aren't
>they're told their anger is justified and that they are innocent victims

FTFY

>>81471278
The 3 last episodes are pure garbage. The whole Hannah's rape subplot makes no sense. Why would she even go to the house of a known rapist? why would she even stay alone? And why anyone covered for that guy? Yes, it might have made sense for some of them to do it, but the faggot of the poetry club? why would he ever cover for the rapist?

>>81473092
But the show even states she was a bitch for going after assholes and ignoring Clay till it was too late.
Maybe you just hate women anon.

>>81473026
The kiss with the asian chick was pretty hot though.

Not to mention the little things mentioned that simply aren't true
>"how would you feel if YOU were in a list like that?"
>"girls would never do such a list"
This is factually wrong

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>>81473092
>being told that life will suck and you're powerless to solve your problems

There's a reason 'spoiled' is synonymous with 'ruined'. It's not something you should feel jealous of.

>>81473125
I'm a supreme gentleman, women should line up to date me

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>>81473359
>>"girls would never do such a list"
LOOOOOOOOOOL
Tell me they didn't fucking say this

>>81473359
Girls put me into a list of boys they would never date

>>81473441
Clay said it in the third episode I think.
>>81473485
I was in a list of ugliest boys in class once, though that was in 4th grade

>want to kill yourself
>take time to make a complicated, narcisistic vanity project before you die
yeah see I'm only one episode in and this is already starting to rub me the wrong way

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>>81473485
>implying that's anywhere near the level of violation and disrespect of being told you have an ass that's not just nice but the best of your entire grade
you think you know pain?

>>81471471

It's a gap in the writing.

You know from where the story is coming from and the character's own motivations and experiences that she doesn't think it's a smart idea to have sex with him, but they forgot to write in any actual defiance to the act. She doesn't utter as much as the word "no" but because we know "SHE WOULD NEVER DO THIS NORMALLY" they skip the part that makes it an actual act of rape because, hey, the audience and she knows she'd never fuck him, what a scumbag rapist for forcing himself on her!

>>81473581
that's literally rape

>>81473581
Fucking shit show and book, I cannot even believe this is true and """"""people""""" actually like this

I thought it was good, every episode kept me interested in knowing more even though a lot of the reasons for her suicide were kind of dumb and ridiculous, the "leave me alone but don't leave! " "WHY DID YOU LEAVE WHEN I TOLD YOU TO LEAVE?!" bothered quite a bit.

>>81472893
>>81472764
You're as bad as any nu-male.

The Life of David Gale (Even features a framed rape, you'll love it)
Ordinary People
Leaving Las Vegas

There are many, many more but I can't be bothered to compile a more comprehensive list for your delusional ass.

>>81471278
Why do people here have no understanding on sociology?

>>81473825
I think you'll find that it didn't actually do anything to keep you interested in knowing more as much as it told you the series was about this girl's suicide but it gives you practically no relevant information for the first 3/4s of the show. It's also not even really about a girl's suicide so much as a particularly toxic bunch of kids who don't know how to handle living in middle-class America.

>>81473998
Enlight us

>>81472644
t. triggered

>>81473654
The fact that she doesn't says no it is 100% agenda driven. They want to show that even if a woman doesn't send any sign that she doesn't want to fuck it is still rape if she decides that it is.

>>81473825
What bothers me is that he threats him like a rapist for no reason which ok, it can happend to someone with a trauma, but why the fuck did that guy felt guilty? He literally did nothing wrong, except not being a mind reader.

What did they mean by having an Asian gay girl Courtney being arguably the most self-centered cutthroat bitch in the cast?

>>81474360
And she had 2 gay dads.

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>>81473557
My sister told me about this show yesterday. I couldn't help myself and blurted out that the girl sounded like a sadist. Now she won't talk to me anymore.

>>81474501
Fuck her and post pics.

>>81471278
This is what happens when you put too much plot convenience to teach a message. You fuck up the message.

>>81472680
>the counselor whose job it is to prevent this shit just lets her walk out and this is her fault

She deliberately misled him. It's lying to a person and being mad at them for not digging through your brain to get you to tell the truth or recognizing you're lying in the first place.

The only way this shit makes sense is if you know she just wanted to kill herself anyway and was never going to go back at any point, but then she blames him for not going after her? What?

>>81474095
Yeah to know the reasons behind her suicide and who's was responsible, other than that it was nothing special and some characters didn't even have to be there like Tony, he just kept dragging things along and didn't add much.

>>81474528
I can think of at least 13 reasons why not to :^)

>>81472680
What ruins the counselor's scene is the fact that she goes to him with the tape recorder. It's like she was already waiting for things to go wrong. Then again, it looks more like a premeditated plan of revenge than something natural.

And, please, no, I do not advocate rapists, but the poverty of the script overlaps what is important.

AND, SHIT, NO ONE IN THE SERIES HAS A GOOD HEART! This bothered me too much. The world is cruel to women, no doubt, but to create a series in which only the victim is good and the rest a bunch of assholes is too stupid. As stupid as the fans that are saying it is a realistic portrayal.

this sounds gay. do they explain who delivered the tapes on behalf of the dead girl? also who's forcing people to listen or have all their secrets revealed to the world? the girl from The Ring?

>>81473557
tbqh, I do think the writers were trying to tell that Hannah wasnt that great of a person

I mean, her retarded tapes got Alex, the only guy that realized the wrong things he did to commit suicide, Clay became a paranoid faggot and the photography kid is now planning a school shooting

there's a school shooting?
I was honestly zoned out by the end
I saw the camera kid's tec-9 but I thought he just killed himself

>>81475001
some gay Mexican kid is the one that delivers the tapes and he has a second set of the same tapes to release if they dont follow the rules

>>81474929
>The world is cruel to women, no doubt

Reality maybe. Not civilization.

>>81475044
Theres no school shooting but you see one of the kids planning one

its more of season 2 set up kind of thing

>>81475015
>tbqh, I do think the writers were trying to tell that Hannah wasnt that great of a person
If so, she would have been portrayed with more flaws and not as a teen version of Zoey Deschanel.

>>81474929
>NO ONE IN THE SERIES HAS A GOOD HEART
Clay and Jeff are both literally perfect
they're portrayed and treated better than Hannah as well

>>81475098

Shit dude, if you think she's a Mary Sue here, you should read the book.

The series actually casts some darkness on her actions.

Why did Clay's cut never healed?

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>>81475049

>if they dont follow the rules

oy vay

honestly she fucked up by trying to always fit with the popular kids

should have just become a fem robot after the first kiss guy betrayed her

>>81475085
oh it was the kid with the bleached hair that shot himself.
I remember the painfully obvious foreshadowing to that with the shot of his dad cleaning his gun.

How is this supposed to make me LIKE women? The fact that so many of them are sympathizing with this girl on social media makes me never want to even walk near a woman.

>>81475175

You know, by the time Alex got beat up and it healed quicker than Clay's cut, I realized why the cut, and later the bandage, was there.

It's to let the audience know what is happening "now" as opposed to his flashbacks / whatever you want to call them when listening to Hannah's tapes.

The cut is gone by like episode 3 or 4 if I remember correctly, but the bandage is still there to let the audience know the timeframe.

>>81475213
Females CANNOT be robots.
It's like the queen of england trying to wear rags and pretending to be a commoner.

>>81475100
Jeff is more like a plot device. But Clay, who might be the guy who would help her, is portrayed somewhat negatively in the flashbacks (the comment about her ass, the silence after the car crash). My point is that the series kind of suggests that there was no one willing to help the girl, and the few who tried to hurt her somehow. It's too convenient.

>>81471945
no nigga
Jeff was the top tier bro the whole time.

>>81475219

I originally thought it was the stalker kid who had shot himself or someone else.

>>81475274
>the comment about her ass, the silence after the car crash
He also says nothing about the haircut.

>>81475213
she didn't even have to become a robot
>stop going to parties and flirting with jocks like you said you would
>start dating clay and spend your free time with him
>study and get into NYU
>continue living in a great neighborhood with good parents thta aren't divorced
she literally had a better life than 99% of the people here right in front of her

Jeff was best boy and taken too soon.

Justin was the most tragic character.

Zach did absolutely nothing wrong.

Hanna was the biggest cunt on the planet and deserved everything she got for even putting Clay on the tape as a reason she killed herself. That's all I have to say about this show.

>>81471945
nah, if anything Justin is /ourguy/ since he gets straight up cucked

Clay, Jeff, Zach, Sherry and Alex all were better persons than the fucking suicidal girl was tbqhwy.

What is the English word for when a writer treats everything based on good and bad, with no room for nuances?

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Why didn't anyone want to be her friend? ;_;

Most importantly though, is it true she had a great ass?

Hannah was T H I C C

>>81475439
Plot convenience.

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>>81475439
Clay wanted

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>>81475223

bitches love rape stories

>>81475439
>What is Clay and Zach.

Also Mexican dude was kinda her friend.

>>81475223
because she will inspire these girls to kill themselves

>>81475044

nigga that was a .45 1911, not a tec9

>>81472189
>Thanks for being part of the problem.
The series is part of the problem because it had the chance to be a deep picture of the situation but preferred to be a teen revenge thriller.

If you want to blame someone, blame Jay Asher.

the car crash thing was so fucking stupid
it's a t intersection
barely anybody was driving on that road
there was nothing obstructing vision of oncoming headlights
they were going 40 at most
nobody goes to turn onto a road and thinks well there's no stop sign so I may as well just fucking close my eyes

>>81475437
Black and white worldview?

>>81475239
Wow, you're really slow then.

>>81475562
I thought there was a more specific term, but I think that is good. Thank you. ESL here.

>>81471278
Literally "she dindu nuffin" the show

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>>81475542
I mentioned the tec-9 specifically because it's the classic school shooter gun

>>81474501
I don't blame you. It straight up is. Now sure maybe the later episodes redeem her somewhat because I'm only on episode 3 but the premise itself is pretty fucked up, no? Reminds me more of something like Sorority Row or even Pretty Little Liars, just some contrived plot to torture people

>>81475439
Her ass was too sweat to just being friend with her.

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>>81475654

shit my bad, i didn't even see those guns. I think i might be blind or my monitor brightness is too low.

>>81475547
I actually believe that the first couple of episode show a lot of nuance on the issue. It is later when it gets very preachy and all the nuance dissapears.

>>81472945
>I don't expect men to change their perspective but women certainly could.
This needs to be reversed

She's not innocent. She made a shitton of mistakes herself. Guilt and blame is literally the entire theme of this show. 13 episodes long you get fucking bombarded with it over and over again
>"why shouldn't you blame her"
>"it's no reason to kill yourself, she made that decision herself"
Funny how you guys shit all over this show, yet don't even understand the most basic concepts it's trying to convey.
Maybe watch a show without shitposting on your other screen next time

Kind of sad that so many people here are incapable of watching a show based on highschool drama because they are so traumatized by their own time in school that they have an irrational hatred for anything that involves young teens.

>>81475554
Also didn't she call like right away in the licour store? It is not like the police would teleport to the scene to fix the sign. There was literally no way to avoid that accident.

>>81475715
That is the problem. They put complex themes into a generic plot. So instead of being "suicide is a bad thing" turned "suicide can be helpful, let's play!".

>>81475764
>"it's no reason to kill yourself, she made that decision herself"
And you are suppose to disagree with that. The show makes the point that statment is wrong.

>>81475786
Maybe getting into spoiling the show a little for myself here, but does anybody ever question why the fuck they're listening to some tapes maybe by a girl who killed herself? Does nobody stop and say 'this is an unusual and strange situation?' They just seem to go along with it as if its the most mundane ass thing in the world

>>81475852

Yeah, and it's a dumb point.

She did make the decision herself, and every time somebody tried to help her she pushed them away.

Big time dummy

>>81475764
>Funny how you guys shit all over this show, yet don't even understand the most basic concepts it's trying to convey.
Oh, please, everyone understood the concepts perfectly, but the script is so bad that it's hard to take it seriously.

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>ABC Family original series tier clusterfuck
>but it's on Netflix

What did you honestly expect? Something to transcend the "teengirl woe-is-me" genre? What would that even entail?

Can someone kill themselves after being abused? Of course. But you may not kill yourself either. This is the point the show does not explore. The plot wants so much to turn everything into a blame game, that does not give the necessary attention to the girl's mind, to her doubts, to her fear.

Plus: kind of stupid that she went to the hou se of the guy she saw raped her friend.
Plus 2: why did she put her friend on the tape if she knew the girl was already traumatized by rape? this is cruelty.

>message of the show is everybody acts like an asshole and that being a nice person, being popular, being successful, being selfless, having a difficult personal life, being the parent of a girl that killed herself or even being a girl who killed herself is no reason not to be blamed
>/tv/ spends 100 post arguing that she acted like an idiot and it's her fault

Congratulations you figured out this enigma of social commentary. Now the logical next step is to call this psychological conditioning by the globalists trying to push feminist agenda.

Im calling it now

Some hormonal teenager will record a bunch of tapes about how shitty her life is, then kill herself CUZ IM LIKE HANNAH AND SO ALONE.

The police will sinply confiscate the tapes after the murder, her ex boyfriend or some shit will get them and turn them in rather than following whatever idiotic instructions she left behind.

>>81476221
A

>>81476221
> Take time to create seven tapes that are quietly narrated and personalized
> Does not even leave a note for parents

I'm not againt the cause. The people here are not against the cause. Yeah, I know this is 4chan, but I bet no one here finds bullying and suicide cool stuff. If we do not like the series is not because of the subjects, it is because of the execution. And if you do not see problem in how things are developed (suicide as plot device for a thriller), it is certainly because you are putting your emotions over the reason.

Remembering that the story ends with a smile of mission accomplished, as if the girl's suicide, and all the tragedies and traumas that came after listening to the tapes, were justifiable.

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>>81475495
You mean based Tony?

Would you turn gay for him?

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>>81471278
>walk out on counciler who i didnt Disclose any details too
>he says there is nothing he can do
She clearly says she was raped and that she wants to end her own life. Even if it was implied that she wanted it, which she didn't by the way that's just a meme orchestrated by the virgins on this board who think that constitutes as casual sex, the cuck of a counselor didn't even go after her fully knowing she's suicidal and capable of anything. Its protocol to contact parents if this type of shit happens

>>81476625
SAY WHAT

>>81471278
This show really triggers everyone it's funny.

Why does everyone completely miss the point about Clay's tape? She only put him on there because she felt he deserved to know why she freaked out and why she killed herself. Clay isn't an actual reason she killed herself. Even in the scene when she narrates she says "but you left... because I asked you to." She's taking responsibility for it.

Also what kind of autism do you have to have to not see what Bryce did as rape? She tried to get out and he pulled her back, held her down, and fucked her. She was physically resisting.

>>81477051
>>81476822

Can somebody tell me about the scene where she was """raped"""? I'm not watching this shit show for three scenes.

>>81477051
>Also what kind of autism do you have to have to not see what Bryce did as rape? She tried to get out and he pulled her back, held her down, and fucked her. She was physically resisting.
No doubt it was rape. What really bothers me is the excuse the plot finds to make it happen. She knew the guy was a rapist, what's the point of going to his house and staying with him in a damn pool? It's as if the author wants to play with the audience.

>>81477051
>Everybody on this tape is a reason I killed myself

>>81477217
>witness rape and do nothing
>cause a fatal accident by failing to report a stop sign getting knocked down
>in shock of it all start walking aimlessly
>end up in rich neighborhood
>hear party music and go in
>it's rapist's party and some friends are there too
>they've all been dicks to me individually but invite me in to the jacuzzi and are acting friendly
>actually having a good time but as the night goes on they leave one by one
>suddenly alone with rapist in hot tub
>start getting out but he wont let me
>never say no because terrified that this is happening
>fucks me till I'm dead inside

>>81477409
>Clay, you don't deserve to be on these tapes.
Hannah said that. Really it's everyone else being unreasonable. As stupid as Hannah was even she was able to know that it wasn't his fault for leaving her. It's everyone else including Clay that thinks he did something wrong.

>>81477445
Just as a quick clarification, the rapist was not in the Jacuzzi at first, he only got in once everyone else left.

>>81477445
It's technically rape then because consent was never actually given, and if she was drunk she couldn't consent (if he was drunk, he couldn't either). What a bitch though. She doesn't nothing for her other friend because she's "paralyzed" with fear and does nothing again when everybody else leaves. How about mention, "No, I want to get out, leave me alone". This show makes women look like frail, idiotic creatures who can't defend themselves in the slightest. It's propaganda shit about "suicide awareness", but gives no logical reasons for anything.

>>81477508
Then she should have texted him when she saw the counselor. If she was willing to get help, she should have went to her closest friend.

>>81477663
I'm guessing she had such low self-esteem she really thought that he deserved better and rather than him helping her get better she would somehow make him worse.

Plus she totally freaked when they made out so she probably thought he hates her for being a tease and a psycho

>>81477445
Am I supposed to believe that all these things actually happened to cause her to commit suicide? I saw somebody mention it before, it's like a divine being wanted her to die.

>>81477750
When I had depression, in my teens, I never sought help from friends, family, or a therapist because I didn't want help. She obviously wanted help and wanted to live. If so, you go to your closest friend and tell them about everything that happened to you and why you acted like you did.

>>81476600
Christ Sargon is so unfunny

>>81476822
It literally isn't. They can only contact others if you say you are going to commit a violent act, or say that you're pregnant.

>>81477551
But he was in the party and talk to her since the start. Making it clear: it was rape. But the build up of the situation was very poor.

>>81476822
Actually, you call 911 and have them 302'd (involuntarily admitted to a mental hospital). But we're supposed to believe that he's terrible at his job, despite this being elementary in the counseling community.

>>81471278
Hannah deserved the rape for not stopping the rape of Jessica.

>>81477859
Depression isn't the same for everyone.

See how bad the show is? The lack of depth and nuance makes people discuss more if something is convincing or not than discussing the topics.

because of this, people who live such problems daily may even be impacted by the series, but outsiders, I really doubt.

>>81478276
Where in this show does she actually have "depression"?

You know whats amazing to me?

You fucking faggots wasted your lives watching this trash. Why would you even do it to begin with? You knew it was gonna suck.

I wish it was all a lie.

>>81478285
Another issue is, this type of situation only affects, at most, 13% of people who commit suicide. Women who are raped are 13% of attempted suicides. Given that, this show is not impacting the large majority of suicide or why most people decide to kill themselves. It's just another show that women are raped and commit suicide trope. It's becoming a cliche at this point.

>>81478326
It doesn't. The blame game is more important.

>>81478372
I watched episode 1, got annoyed as shit that I couldn't stop thinking about it for two days. Watched the suicide scene on YouTube (actually was a realistic scene). But now I'm just bitching on here about how it's fucking stupid to get my anger off my chest.

>>81478372
It was pretty good desu

>>81478511
My gf watched it and I passively saw it, actually liked that scene.

But her parents discovery of her body... such shit acting.

Why would somebody, who saw their friend get raped at a party, go to another party and get almost naked? Wouldn't you stay away from parties, at that point?

>>81478631
It actually wasn't that bad. In many situations, the parents don't believe that it is real, in complete shock, or say that "everything is going to be alright" to fool themselves.

>>81478717
Yeah but it was forced and crappy. Not a single believable performance in the whole show.

>>81471471
Does "rape" even exist?

>>81476600
nice meme

https://twitter.com/tylerthecreator/status/285670822264307712?lang=en

>>81478651
Plot convenience to make a point.

>>81478906
Bryce will get away with it, too. His "confession" can be lied about, Hannah's tape won't be admissible, and he can say Jessica is setting him up.

>>81479041
Wasn't the "point" that that was the real reason she committed suicide? I'm supposed to believe that any person who saw their friend get raped would put themselves in the same situation that they were raped? Find me any teen who is that dumb.

You know how I know that only roasties and teenagers whatched this shit? Nobody ever posts screenshots of her getting in that tub almost naked or whatever and I haven't seen one (1) (uno) webm about that rape.

Fuck all of you cunts. Someone post this shit

>>81479224
You make it.

>>81479224
I tried finding it on YouTube and couldn't find it. I don't feel like finding the scene on Netflix.

>>81479243
I'm not watching this ya gay asfuck shit about a hoe whos being a hoe and then kills herself because she cant stand the fact that somebody complemented her ass

>>81479261
I am truly astounded that noone on /tv/ seems to have that shit on hand. Whats wrong with you degenerates?

>>81471278
>Why do people like this again?

They don't.

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>An in-depth look at why Americans, especially the youth, opt out of life and into the abyss. Extensive research and advice from mental health experts done to ensure an accurate portrayal.

>Designed from the ground-up to be tasteful and thoughtful, more documentary than entertainment. Raises awareness to this epidemic and opens a discussion to what it takes to make someone end their own lives.

>EPISODE 1: 10/10 UPPER/MIDDLE CLASS GIRL WITH SUPPORTIVE LOVING PARENTS HAD CONSENSUAL ("at the time") SEX THEN REGRETED IT AND ALSO SHE GOT AN A- ON HER ADVANCED-PLACEMENT CALCULUS TEST SO SHE TOOK 20 ADVIL, GODDAMN TRAGEDY SHE WAS SUCH A PERFECT DAUGHTER AND FRIEND AND EVERYONE LOVED HER

netflix so kino

is the rape scene hot ?

>>81479475
I thought it was upsetting.

>>81471471
she pushed him away, but then completely froze up.

If someone would instantly 'play dead' the minute you pull down her panties, any normal guy would notice that's not exactly a normal response or a "go ahead" sign..

>>81479511
fag

>>81471588
did you only watch that scene?

The guy was going mental because he let his best friend rape her. She was drunk and didn't remember a thing.

What was the photo Clay took? I'm not watching this shit for that.

>>81472352
Because males who commit suicide and actual loneliness, not constantly being invited to parties and regarded as a slut. And that's not a glamorous tv show

>>81471278
Wow, almost like teenagers are irrational. There is no gap of logic in this show

>>81479623
Wait, was it simply of him naked? Why the fuck would anybody care?

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>>81477630

>This show makes women look like frail, idiotic creatures who can't defend themselves in the slightest
>implying this isn't true

>>81478100
This

>>81472352
>show about suicide
>casts living persons
wow just wow I can't even...

>>81479307
You don't have to watch it, just go to last episode and make the web,.

I don't know how~

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>>81479625
>implying any teenager ever go to a party filled exclusively with a group of people that bully them/dont like them

>>81479991
Why would the party host even invite them anymore, let alone just let them in?

>>81477051
Funny how everybody shits on the show and apparently knew from the start how bad it will be, yet watched all 13 episodes within the week of its release

>>81471278
>>>witness friend get raped and do nothing
>>so traumatized i vomit
>>then go to rapists party

This kills the sympathy.

>>81477965
>suicidal thoughts doesn't warrant at least a phone call to the parents
What school have you been to? Even if it isn't protocol, he could have had the common decency to act

What does consensual mean?

>>81471278
I don't fully understand what Zach did?
He was nice to her and she just fucked him up

>>81480249
You are under the mistaken belief that I watch tv shows because I enjoy them. I used to watch anime lad, 20 shows a day. 10 hours to watch one show is fucking nothing. FUCKING. NOTHING.

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>>81480249
Wanting to know what the reasons are is a really good hook, especially wanting to know if Clay did something wrong or not

mfw I watched all 13 episodes within 24 hours

>>81480366
She was convinced he was going to pull a Marcus and treated him like shit. What he did was retaliate by stealing her compliments out of her compliment bag.

>>81472479
yeah, rip
I don't care about fucking hannah but Jeff's death really hurt

im on ep 8. this show is hilariously bad. almost everything is her own fault. she's an attention seeking entitled retard who keeps interacting with pieces of shit that she knows she shouldn't be interacting with in the first place. like how fucking dumb can you be?

the worst things that have happened to her so far are a douchebag grabs her ass, a douchebag tries to feel her up for 2 seconds, and a dweeb takes pictures of her. the funniest thing is the dweeb taking pictures. she knew someone was taking pictures, brings her friend over to catch the guy, and then gets drunk and makes out with her. what the fuck kind of retarded shit is that?

>>81480478
He was the very definition of an hero.

>>81480366
He was leading her on to a friendship but eventually just neglected her and chose his asshole friends over her. Also being a semi douche by stealing Clay's drawings in their class

>>81480345
They aren't allowed to. The whole point is they're a safe person to talk to, that won't translate your thoughts into others unless you're in the two scenarios I listed. If they're allowed to tell parents anything, kids cease to use them as a resource at all.

>>81480523
>dweeb takes pictures of her
Hell of a way to downplay a stalker that's a peeping tom. What's really stupid is she didn't go to the police

>>81477750
>she really thought that he deserved better and rather than him helping her get better she would somehow make him worse.
This. Or she figured nothing positive would come from her asking someone else for help, since the counselor incident didn't go very well. When I was going through a period of seriously bad depression, a really close friend of mine found out I was suicidal, freaked out, told my parents, then worked to try to get me committed. I basically stopped talking to everyone about my feelings after that because I a) didn't want people to worry about me, b) hated having to go through that, and didn't want someone else to have a shitty reaction to me, and c) even after going through all that shit, it didn't actually help me at all. So even though I kind of wanted help, I still kept everything to myself.

And yeah, we really don't know what the relationship between her and Clay was like at the time. He freaked out on her after the car accident, we don't even know if they were still talking regularly after that.

>>81480277
She went out for a walk because she felt like shit and stumbled onto a party where people were actually being nice to her for once. It's pretty understandable why she'd stay. As soon as she was left alone with the rapist she tried to leave.

>>81472479
Poor Jeff. He didn't deserve what happened to him. Also does anyone else notice that in movies and TV football jocks are usually dicks but baseball jocks are actually pretty cool?

>>81480589
the guy is a creepy faggot but that's not really the point. the point is she knew some fucking idiot was stalking and taking pictures of her, so she....makes out with her friend....knowing someone is out there stalking her taking pictures of her

she's a brain dead dipshit. i think the asian girl is even dumber than she is because the whole point of her being invited over there was to CATCH THE STALKER

>>81480629
No, I don't really understand why you'd attend a party with a rapist. One you were not invited to at that.

>All this talk and the rape scene is not even posted
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>>81480580
Bullshit. I'm going for counseling and if a patient is a threat to themselves or others, the therapist is obligated to take measures to help them/the other person.

>>81480677
It's not even good. It's barely rape. She wasn't even drunk.

The suicide scene though, now that was pure kino.

>>81479224
She gets in with her fucking clothes on

>>81480743
>a threat to themselves or others
Saying "I have suicidal thoughts" is not the same as saying "I'm going to commit suicide."

>>81480748
I couldn't watch that, I just skipped until the mom came in scene

>>81480804
There is no difference to a counselor.

>making cassettes

Why didn't she just make a dropbox account with the mp3 files?

also, what was her endgame?

>>81480844
To a good one there is.

>>81480676
This is how the scene happens:

>Girl feels like shit and is suicidal, goes for a walk to distract herself
>Walks through rich neighborhood and feels worse
>Hears music and partying, checks it out, and notices some people she used to be friends with are there
>When people see here, they act happy to see here, and are way nicer than they've ever been
>This makes her feel better
>Everyone leaves, and she stays because she feels better
>Rapist shows up
>She tries to leave
>He doesn't let her, then he rapes her

It's not like she knowingly went to a party where rape was happening all over the place. She happened to stumble across a party where people weren't being shitty to her fir once. As soon as she realize the rapist was there, and that she was going to be around him, she tried to leave.

>>81480892
13 more suicides.

>>81480804
That's why you ask more questions
>Do you have the means to do it?
>Would you kill yourself?
There's four different levels, but I can't remember them all. If they are two levels or more, they can be admitted to a hospital for help.

>>81480881
the whole show is half-assing an 80s teen drama. it really does not work well. i really hate this try hard retro 80s bullshit that's been popular lately

>>81480925
>Last party you went to your friend was raped
>Go to another party
Yeah, I'm believing that.

>>81479512
>If someone would instantly 'play dead' the minute you pull down her panties, any normal guy would notice that's not exactly a normal response
you're obv a virgin because thats what 99% of girls do during sex

>>81480991
To be fair even Hannah seemed confused about why she even went towards another party when the last one she went to put her in such deep shit

>>81480925
Why would you go to a party by yourself when the last party you went to someone was raped?

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>>81480748
>>81480823
This was really fucking hard to watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwvPMh5Bdpo

>>81481031
because the plot needed to happen you silly faggot

>>81480925
>a party where people weren't being shitty to her for once
A sure sign that you're gonna get raped

>>81481004
That is not remotely true.

>>81481038
Like I said it's an effecting scene, filmed properly and she did it the actual way not the cry for help way. Pure kino man.

>>81481090
oh fuck, am i a rapist?

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>>81481142

>>81471809
bump for bubbles. Who's got your belly?

>>81471809
im watching it because its funny how bad it is

>>81481038
>>81481131
Only scene that was actually done well in this entire show.

>>81472550
Because we can all tell by the way you add question marks to statements that you're from tumblr? It's obvious? Maybe you should go back to tumblr? Leave this board? We don't want you here?

>>81481090
It's kinda true. Men normally the 'motion of the ocean' and kids need to keep quiet so parents don't hear.

>>81481433
There's a difference between a woman doing nothing in the missionary position and a woman going completely limp because you've broken her spirit.

>>81471471
>pulls her back into the hut tub
>holds her in place when she tries to get out again
>not rape

>>81481580
And the point is it's hard to tell the difference so it shouldn't be an indication of consent. She flirted with him minutes before, flinched for about 1 second after he grabbed her then started moaning when he started fucking. She never said no, screamed or struggled. I was honestly confused on if it was consensual or not.

>>81482073
>I was honestly confused on if it was consensual or not.
Seriously? It was clearly filmed as a rape. See >>81481641. She acts polite to him because she wants to leave and he's creepy (it wasn't flirting), and tries to leave. The guy stops her and holds her down while she's pleading to be let go.

>>81474929
>What ruins the counselor's scene is the fact that she goes to him with the tape recorder. It's like she was already waiting for things to go wrong. Then again, it looks more like a premeditated plan of revenge than something natural.

I think that at that point she had already decided to kill herself, but she was trying to justify the act. See: she needing to get a new tape and stealing the razor beforehand

>>81482073
>I was honestly confused on if it was consensual or not.
You unironically have mental issues then.

The show seems interesting. Gonna watch it now.

not even /r9k/, but the roastie whores defending this trash show need to go back to /soc/ or whatever other shithole they came from

100% this >>81474268 glad I dipped out of this mess at episode 5 and just skimmed through the rest. She was an unlikable cunt to everyone, especially the MC. I couldn't give a shit that she killed herself.

>>81482309
>She acted polite to the rapist
Well then she fucking got what she ordered.

>>81475098
>she would have been portrayed with more flaws
But the whole story is told from her perspective. Other characters are constantly reminding you that "she didn't tell the whole truth". Even Clay.

>>81478631
>But her parents discovery of her body... such shit acting.

t. actual plebeian

>>81471485
>YEA CLAY YOU WERE THE REASON SHE KILLED HERSELF
seriously, what the fuck happened here? he clearly said he didn't want the "we all had a part in it" bullshit. He asked if he was actually the reason she killed herself. Then he turns out to be hitler(he did literally nothing wrong). Any book fags that can explain this?

>>81474268
>doesn't send any sign that she doesn't want to fuck
As soon as he tried touching her, she told him she wanted to leave. He pulled her back in the pool, and she begged him to let her go, while crying through the whole ordeal.

I know this is probably some /r9k/ shitposting, but the scene wasn't ambiguous at all. And if you seriously think that wasn't a rape, or that she wasn't clearly resisting, you have some issues.

>>81482419
Go do it. If /tv/ argues this much about a show, it's at least a bit interesting.

>>81471305

the rest is fine. But for Clay's tape, Hannah said it was strictly her fault on that one.

>>81471278
why are teenage girls so stupid

>>81481038

I sat in awe because I wondering if they would actually show it. And they went above and beyond. It was sick.

>>81483283
Because they wouldn'yuck me when I was a teenager.

>>81483395
Sick? It was pure kino. Amazingly done. It's a very powerful scene, and really shows the shock and awfulness of the situation.

>>81471485
>>81483027
Tony was baiting Clay into listening to his own tape. If he had told him that he did nothing wrong, he wouldn't have listened, nor gain any amount of closure. Clay's tape was literally an apology from Hannah, but also a reason in itself as she felt like she didn't deserve Clay after that night they almost fucked and she took out all of her problems on him, hence the "second worse decision she made". So if you think about it, it wasn't exactly Clay's tape; it was Hannah's

>>81483503

sick as in awesome. Not gross.

>>81483448
that seems like it was a good decision

>>81483511
I can't really get over the fact she decided to torture the fuck out of the poor kid to the point of almost driving him to suicide. Just give him a separate tape, holy fuck

>>81483031
This

>>81483511
>If he had told him that he did nothing wrong, he wouldn't have listened
that's bullshit

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>>81481038
I realized how dead inside i am when I managed to watch this scene in it's entirety even if I was going 'oooh' the whole time and my sister couldn't.

>>81484027
I'll admit I did cringe a bit when she cut her wrists because that would be painful as FUCK.

>>81483995
Probably so. But his whole point was to reverse psychology him to keep listening

Why did Clay send a nude of Tyler?

>>81484143
that makes no sense. The only reason he had trouble listening is because he thought it was going to be worse for him. Literally the only thing telling him he was the cause of her death achieved was make him less hesitant to do so. It was clearly just a poorly thought out dramatic tool. And if i remember correctly, pedro wasn't the only one who warned him about his tape being among the worst.

>>81484472
First episode the one guy says, "you weren't so innocent yourself." It was idiotic.

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>>81475247
what if they are fat and ugly like Kayla from KoTN

They're making a TV show out of that shit book?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteen_Reasons_Why

>>81484648
>making

made desu, it's on Netflix right now

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Imma just say one thing.
It pisses me the fuck off how many "depressed" people are coming out of the fucking woodwork because of this series. So many bullshit posts abou "we need to raise awareness", "pity me", I'm a survivor" and whatnot.
I liked the fucking show, but the attention seeking and victimization that it's generating is making me rage like few things have made me before.

I'm planning an attempt tomorrow, and if I get found out and people dare to link it to fucking 13 Reasons Why, I swear to any entity out there that I'll come back to haunt everyone involved with the series.

>>81484766
mandatory "stream it, faggot"
how you gonna do it anon?

>>81484766
who hurt you anon?

>>81484804
Just gonna trip in front of a bus
Nothing special, it's the best way to make it look like an accident

>>81484822
Anon, I'm complaining exactly about people attention seeking for their "depresshiun". It'd be a little hypocritical of me to try to get counseling from you lads

>>81484766
Don't be a Hannah, faggot. Get real help.

>>81484929
Fuck off, Montogomery

>>81484957
Why are you planning a suicide? Do you really think that there's nobody who would actually miss you if you did take your own life? Why not try and go to therapy to get some help and to be happy?

>>81484880
>gonna trip in front of a bus
that's retarded. you have a good chance of not dying and costing people a lot of money treating your injuries while you heal from your painful wounds in the hospital. It's so retarded I feel compelled to help you delete your genes. If you live alone, hang yourself. If you don't, buy a walmart shotgun and blow your head off. no 20 gauge shit though.

>>81485005
Of course there are people who'd miss me. My mom, the person I love the most in this world will have an absolutely horrid experience and I really can't day how much I hate the fact that I'm going to do this to her.
The thing is, I've been holding this off for years because of her. But I'm tired of waiting for something horrible to happen to her so that I can finally go and not feel guilty. The only reason I'll try to make it look like an accident is so that she suffers the least possible. I'm tired of myself and my life, so I don't see much way out.
I did some therapy when I was younger, but just the fact that I needed it made my mom completely lost and depressed herself, even though she tried to hide it.
And honestly? I don't think there's much way out. I'm bored. I'm sad. I have no hope and the constant feeling of patheticness makes me completely useless and a constant disappointment for myself and everyone around me.

Anyways, I'm doing the thing I said I wouldn't do. But fuck it, call me a hypocrite, its nice to talk to someone.

>>81484766
You deserve it dumb frogposter

>>81472893
He's telling you to kill yourselfand film it

>>81485226
But why? Why is your life so bad that you're planning to kill yourself? You don't have any ambition, any goals, anything you want to see? You can go to college, get a job, invest in a dating app to meet new people. Why not try therapy again, but keep it a secret?

>>81485207
>If you live alone, hang yourself. If you don't, buy a walmart shotgun and blow your head off. no 20 gauge shit though.

See>>81485226

>>81485347
>You don't have any ambition, any goals, anything you want to see?

No, actually. And that's the main reason I'm going to do it. Life is absolutely meaningless to me. I have no purpose, I have no hopes, just day after boring day after boring day for the past years. I barely know the people I call friends, I never had someone to fall in love, I've never had something to do that made feel proud of myself or satisfied. It's all so tiresome.

I'm in college, so I still depend on my parents for cash. Out of the question.

>>81485457
*therapy is out of the question.

>>81485348
Doesn't change the fact you probably won't die and will just cost her a shitload of money. Sign up for the military, get deployed, and walk around kicking suspicious piles of rocks.

>>81485457
If you're in college, there's a clinic on campus that you can go to for help. You should seek some help, anon. You can still be happy. Why not create a tinder, meet me, plenty of fish, or Okcupid to see about meeting some new people? You can join a club to see if you can make some friends. I'm sure that you have some interests that you enjoy.

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>>81485226
>>81485457

>Be (you)
>Watch 13 Reasons Why
>Get angry because now your potential suicide might be linked to this series
>You decide to hang yourself in your room instead of cutting your wrists in a bathtub
>Your poor mother walks in to find her son standing on a chair about to drop
>She panics and manages to pull you down
>She calls 911
>When dispatch arrives, they notice the laptop open
>They look closer
>13 Reasons Why

>>81485527
I live in a shithole, but we have insurance. Her company will pay it all and, if I fail, then I have an excuse to just throw myself off a really high place.

>>81485566
I kek'd.

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Really got the electric impulses firing

>>81485755
I would laugh so hard.

>>81485560
Anon, thank you. But it's really not possible to talk someone out of suicide if they aren't in hysteria or panic mode.

My campus doesn't offer such services. I don't really have the will to meet new people. I have friends who consider myself to be close to them, but I just can't seem to connect on a deeper level to anyone.

Finally anon, the main thing is that it's just too much work to keep going. Too much time, to much stress, too many risks. It's not worth it.
I'm not going to do it because I'm "oh so sad all the time". It's because I don't have anything or anyone to dedicate myself to.
The thread is going to 404 soon, but thanks lad. You sound like a nice person.

>>81485566
I'm honestly afraid of this.

>>81485789
Try finding something that makes you happy. Find something that makes you happy that you can be happy doing/talking about. There must be something like this in your life. Find a reason that you want to live and hold onto it.

>>81485789
At least try calling the suicide hotline. What harm could it do?

>>81485755
wait what? Hannah was just play-pimping in the original?

>>81485789
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>>81485932
HOLY FUCK FAGGOTS. You said you wouldn't be a hypocrite and here you are turning this thread into your personal journal. Fucking do it already you attentionwhore. Hannah was less insufferable than you.

>>81486169
>Show about suicide
>An actual person talking about suicide
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>>81486086
not really
>In the first draft of his bestselling book, Hannah attempts to kill herself by swallowing pills but ends up being saved when her parents come home and rush her to the hospital, where her stomach is pumped.

But I could see how they could adapt something given the story was molded for longevity for the show.

>>81485888
I've tried all my life. I've dealt with this since I was a teen. So I don't have much more hope.
But thanks lad

>>81485932
I tried more than once. They are nice and all, but it's made for hysterical suicidals. It felt condescending to me.

>>81486169
She tortured more than 20 people with her shenanigans. She's not really a good guy. And this is a dying thread lad, let me be a hypocrite.

>>81486209
how would that even work? the whole premise is her tapes. Would they just rip off that other (netflix?) bullying movie and have her lay in the hospital comatose? wouldn't even work with pills.
>>81486263
>She's not really a good guy
that's the fucking point...I was saying you're worse than even that. Damn i'm glad your genes won't spread.

>>81485457
> I never had someone to fall in love,
you really don't know what you're talking about. love is a double edged sword and that would make you even more suicidal if it didn't work.

>>81486404
>i'm glad your genes won't spread.
Too late, I have a sister that's even more fucked than I am :^)

>>81486410
Meh. At least it's a story to have and, at least for a while, it must feel pretty good. I don't have anything that ever made me feel like life was worth it at any point. There aren't times in my life where I can say "well, things went wrong, but it's better to have felt something than never felt at all". It's all been a single straight line of nothingness

>>81486504
you..you impregnated your sister?