Fury

>another faggot european crying about daddy America
time for prayer, Hanz.

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>>81411106
I'm whining about (((Hollywood))) my dear martsharter

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>>81411042
>April 1945
>Outnumbered and outgunned
But there's literally a scene that shows how hopelessly outnumbered and outgunned the Germans are

>>81411264
Man I got goosebumps during that scene

>>81411042
>Why does America make pro-American films?
Are you actually this retarded?

>one tank can take down the entire German Army

sounds plausible.

>>81411453
So you can only create pro-American films when you devise entirely implausible settings for them?
Really makes you think...

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>>81411042
seriously though, what was his fucking problem?

>>81411496
>that doesn't happen
just watch the movie people, good vfx and beautiful tanks.

>>81411535
>Implying America didn't clean the fuck up in W1 and WW2
Come back when you've actually read some history.

>>81411580
Not loved by mummy and daddy, probably cucked him too.

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>>81411042
>there's just no way that you could believably portray the Americans as underdogs in WWII
It doesn't. It's talking about one tank crew that's alone behind enemy lines. Learn to read yuropoor, or asiapoor or whatever poor country your butthurt originates from.

>>81411618
The complaint was that they are portrayed as underdogs in this and other war movies you braindead fuck. Read the synopsis in the OP and tell me that that's even remotely close to actual history.

Hey euroshit, you don't have to watch our movies.
We'll continue to not watch yours.

>>81411674
see >>81411654
It's talking about one tank crew, not the entire American army. Get some basic reading comprehension.

that one tank crew are the underdogs
in no way does that movie imply that americans in general were the underdogs, see >>81411264

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>tfw no field modified Sherman.

>>81411042

>>Tank one

Gaddammnit

>>Tank 2

Gaddammnit

>>Tank 3

Gaddammnit!

how the fuck is this movie 2 hours long, there's only like 4 fucking scenes in it.

1. they sit around being grizzled depressed fucks
2. they eat some some eggs
3. they fight some tanks
4. the germans think their bullets are free candy and keep running face first into them in massive human waves

I still haven't seen the first 45 minutes of this movie. Why does that German let the one guy go at the end?

>>81412651
45 minutes of Pitt close ups using that god aweful accent.

>>81412752
He's meant to be the German equivalent to Norman but the execution of the thematic is done in the worst way possible since Norman just moments before killed most of the German's comrades. I don't think he'd wave it off and walk away with a smile on his lips.

schreeeEEEE- PING! vewewewew-

>>81413222
schreeeeeeee-INCOMING

>>81411042
While America is overwhelmingly winning the war as a whole, they still have to fight a series of individual battles where they can still suffer heavy casualties. In this movie, they basically get cut off from the rest of the army and are forced to make a last stand. Or do you think that the Allies won every single battle with no casualties once they started winning?

>>81411701
The best war films are literally all European though. Hell, the best films are European. You're shooting yourself in the foot.

>>81413440
Europoor detected, name me even one

>>81413503
Stalingrad.

>>81411264
Is that picture from Fury? I don't remember that scene.

>>81413503
Every British commando flick.

>>81411758
JUST force my engine up famm

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Who the fuck you think you are, Jesus Christ? You gonna raise her up?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSYRtXINZp0

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Despite some Hollywood BS the movie is good because it actually used real tanks and the sound production was amazing

>mfw those PaK rounds flying
>mfw those ricochet sounds
>mfw lemme touch ur moustache
>mfw that 8.8 sound
>mfw seeing Tiger 131 come out of that ditch

>>81413503
James bond

>>81411264
I bet those me 262s fucked those bombers up good

>>81415004
Probably ended up downing 5 bombers before their engines failed then crashed

I still think the ending scene is supposed to show that the SS Division or whatever are actually Hitlerjugend. The kid in the end that looks at norm is simply too young. That and the tactics they use, if they can even be called that, are those of a fucking division with kids in it.

Shia was also fucking great in the movie.

>>81411042
>there's just no way that you could believably portray the Americans as underdogs in WWII let alone during the last months.
See: marines in the pacific front

>>81411042
Eventually, they do get outgunned and outnumbered. I think the synopsis is talking about the end of the film.

Also, Fury portrays the Americans as much as monsters as the Germans, at least from a neutral point of view.

>>81415227
>He doesn't have relatives who tell their story about joining at the age of 16

Honestly? There was nothing to do outside of the war, and when you were 14 you were already considered a man by society's standards. I know that there were rules and regulations about age but I'm sure that most recruiters needed to make a quota

>>81414652
>hurrr the sounds
>theres this sounde and then i heard that soune too it was really lowd lmao i clapped
Sound design cheerleaders are the bottom of the pleb barrel.

>>81415356
t. deaf person

>>81415356
mad cuz deaf

>>81415334
It's what I've noticed in war movies that Brad Pitt plays in. He must have some input on the directing because he never had a movie where the allies were shining beacons of virtue and hope against the apparently satanic Germans.
Watching inglorious bastards he gave a pretty solid perspective of the shit that goes on in war. And now in fury.

There are bloodthirsty psychopaths in every army, and i think that needs to be portrayed more often.

>>81415356
I dunno man, the soundtrack in Interstellar makes me want to watch that movie two time a month.

>>81415342
Yeah, I know, but I think they got cold feet when they were really going to portray the final desperate battle as a machine of death against kids. That would have driven the point that war doesn't give a fuck home, but I think they knew that Americans would get pissed at it or something.

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>>81415448
>But i think they knew Americans would get pissed
Where do you get this idea from? And who is they, and why do you think Americans are some hivemind? Please stop generalising complex shit when nobody is a carbon copy of another.

Americans were treated as the underdogs because the people who made the movie were brainwashed by History Channel memes about the Sherman being a fiery death trap and how it took five Shermans to beat one Tiger.

>>81415433
Many people don't look for that in Fury, though. I think most people were expecting "RAH RAH RAH AMERICAH" and then they show the crew as severely damaged people who are barely functional and who fuck up the only good guy to join the ranks, because they really have no choice other than to turn him into a killing remorseless machine.

It's a really good movie.

>>81415523
It may be a stereotype, but where I'm from it's regarded that Americans really get pissed when you talk about some of the crimes they commited in World War 2 and in some other places and that they weren't all good people. Didn't mean to offend, friend.

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>>81415497
*blocks your path*

>>81415581
They really weren't treated as underdogs, though. The Fury crew were because eventually they do get isolated and outnumbered, in the rest of the movie most of the dialogue is about the fucking Germans being in ruins and going so far as to loot caos and so on from the Allies.

>>81414652
Gonna need me a source on that pic

>>81415582
Well I'm among quite a few soldiers and patriotic Hicks and i must say even they are tired of cliché patriotism Wanking. But that's just my perspective. Also i find it hard to believe anyone has ever gone to a movie with a "rah rah America" attitude otherwise we'd have more movies with those themes. Again, you're generalising a lot with saying that and stereotyping too many people by catagorising them into such basic terms.

I liked Fury but the ending was handled pretty poorly and felt like it was only in the film so people wouldn't complain about Americans being depicted in a somewhat negative way.

>>81413503
633 squadron
cockleshell heroes

>>81415582
>Americans get offended at war crimes that "some soldiers" commited

So does every other country in the world. Where are you from? You keep referencing "America" like it's a person. It's a fucking country with millions of people. I'm trying not to sound triggered but you keep Lumping shit together like a singular entity. You don't see me saying "wow all you Europeans sure generalise a lot"

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>>81415752
The saviours of the Jews will always be harald as the good goys. Don't mistake it.

>>81415810
All of you weeaboos sure post a ton of dumb shit.

>>81415810
I'm Portuguese. We actually deal with our war crimes pretty well. I'm just saying the average american is more patriotic than the average portuguese and the view we have of you guys is that you're extremely patriotic.

We view the germans as pathetic robots who can't satisfy women worth a damn.

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>>81415866
Come on. I know you can walk down the street and find someone with a different opinion. Stop making broad statements about populations as if you did a consensus of public opinions.

I'm sorry if I'm unloading onto you particularly but I'm just sick of /int/ posters treating the opinions from a small sample size of a population and treating it as if it represents the entire viewpoint of a country.

I can't go anywhere on here without people generalising millions of fucking people because they heard 3 people say relatively similar ideas.

>>81413503
Talvisota is the best war movie ever made

>>81411042
CHINGA TU MADRE NAZIZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!

>>81416049
I have an american airbase 20 mins from where I live and people in my country do view the americans as highly patriotic, jesus, just listen to our talkshows and shit.

It's not an insult, by the way.

>>81411264
This shit was way too fucking depressing

>>81411264
damn

>>81416076
2nd cringiest part of the movie after "love interest dies a horrible death"

>3 M4A2's versus Tiger
>2 get pwned
>Fury takes 3 Kwk43's without dying
>manages to then take over hundreds of SS troops
>takes Panzerfausts like mad

The film was annoying. They literally had a black guy in the tank crew, who died and was replaced... USA had Racial Segregation in WW2. Blacks were used to guard supply routes, used as messengers and various other shit jobs. They didn't actually fight major battles.

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>>81416132
I really like how the new guy asked "why don't they just give up?" and Brad Pitt responds "would you?" and the new guy couldn't respond.

>>81416703
the latter was just the director expressing his opinion on roasties

The film was quote good at showing both sides were ruthless and just as prone to being shits (like the guys wanting to rape the women) and so on. But same problem as always. It's difficult to portray offensive wars positively for the protag. Defensive wars are usually way more suited to films.

But the Americans weren't in many defensive situations in WW2. Pearl Harbor, Battle of the Bulge and maybe German counter-attacks at bet. Everything else is aggressive.

>>81416752
They didn't have a black guy in the crew though.

>>81416960
At the start, when they roll into the depot, the new guy replaces the dead crew member. If you watch him brought out of the tank, he's black.

I won't say I'm 100% sure, but he looked black to me. I'm sure somebody can find the scene.

>>81411042
your fault for watching american propaganda
I avoid american war movies like the plague

>>81416752
>>81416960

Right so no niggers allowed but Michael Pena is there somehow?

>>81416075
First I thought that that was my post that I just forgot.

>>81417041
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic_Americans_in_World_War_II

>>81417004
He wasn't black. At second 59 you can see his hands are, at worst, the color of Penas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWUih1VT34s

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>>81416752
>3 kwk43's
>one ricochet at high angle
>one ricochet at high angle (which caused spalling which took out the motor for turret traverse)
>one bouncing off the front glacis from high angle

all realistic

>using "pwned"
go back to r*ddit

The Sherman was the best tank of the war.

>>81411042
>Outnumbered and outgunned, they have to defeat all odds in an attempt to strike down Nazi Germany.

This makes sense towards the end of the movie when they're stuck in enemy territory with an SS battalion approaching them.

>>81417041
The second largest mexican nation is USA, is no surprise to have an latino guy there

>>81411264
I loved that scene. It's powerful, really.

nothing special about shermans, they just made a lot of them.

the most important allied tank was arguably the churchill, which was a total throwback design that became the infantry's best mate thanks to its versatility and toughness.

t34 was the single most successful design though. no arguments to be had there really. for all the german wonder designs if they had something as fast to produce, capable and reliably as the t34 they could've scrapped most their more specialized designs.

>>81411042
>americans living in their own delusional reality
Happens every day.

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>>81417004
Does he look black mang

>>81417094
>>81417143

>let spics fight but not niggers

Jesse Owens was right, Hitler should've won.

>>81411042

because the 5 characters end up behind enemy lines and have to fight an entire battalion by themselves you stupid brainwashed /pol/ drone

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>>81411758
Too bad all that shit would do fucking nothing except make you feel a little safer.

>>81417041
spics where counted as white during the war and allowed to serve and fight with the rest, well as long as they where mayan to Castizos looking guys.

if you where a nappy headed Dominican you went with the nigs.

Fury is literally this but with flags changed

>>81417199
He didn't say that you BLACKEDTITE

>>81417242

*with flags changed and tanks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2VUGfrZyck

forgot vid

>>81412752
Yeah, this.
I'm glad it doesn't repeat the same old 'All SS are evil baby-killing monsters' meme, but it's hard to believe he'd let Norman go right after he had slaughtered an entire battalion

The ending should've had War Daddy being taken out and beaten to death by the Germans, with Norman using the distraction to slip off into the night

>>81417094
Do you have the scene where he's removed from the tank? He looks black there, facial features as well.

>>81417125
>all realistic

Not at those fucking ranges. The fact you think the 'Sherman' is the best tank of the war shows your lack of knowledge. Which Sherman, eh? M4? M4A1? M4A2? M4A3? M4A4? What about the M4A3 105mm? Or the M12, which is based on the same chassis?

Also, define 'best'.

>>81417185
I was going off the scene where he was taken out of the tank. I'm happy to be wrong, but that's what I'm sure I saw.

>>81417264

Sure he did, right after he refused the gold medal and said he had an unfair advantage over the German athletes.

Hitler was so impressed they had lunch and rode sick motor bikes in the countryside all afternoon.

>>81417125
>he Sherman was the best tank of the war.
Panther was the best tank of the war. Sherman just brought a lot of themselves.

>>81415227
>I still think the ending scene is supposed to show that the SS Division or whatever are actually Hitlerjugend.
I don't think so.
If you look at their faces while they're marching, most of them look like young adults or guys in their 30s/40s, which is probably due to the fact that (IIRC) they're actual reenactors who were hired as extras

I heard somewhere that in the original script they were supposed to be mostly kids

>>81411042
They were stranded in a broken down tank with a ss company approaching them. Worth a watch. Entertaining enough. Not mind blowing but all you do is masturbate and watch flicks anyway

>>81417329
He didn't even define 'best'. What, all round? Armour? Weapons? Speed? Shape? Versatility? Cheapness? Quickness to Produce? Etc. Etc.

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>>81417285
Because he was a kid seeing another frightened kid. He was also probably conscripted like the other german kids in the first town they take over. It's to establish that both sides had good people and people who were pushed around and become bad and outright evil people.

>>81417266
Not really man. Fury goes out of it's way to show the good and bad in both sides.

>>81417313
I have his face.

>>81417335
Yeah, that's what I meant, They changed it from kids to adults, but I think the original idea made more sense and then ending makes more sense if you think of the last fight as the tank crew versus kids.

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>>81417125
Here comes Shermposter

You shit up literally every fury thread

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>>81417125
are you retarded. This move was terrible about being realistic. The pak guns that miss every shot. We lost over 10 shermans for every german tank we got. They were shit. No armor. Weak gun. Gas powered. This movie was literally MUH EXPLOSIONS MUH AMERICA

>>81413503
Das boot

>>81417443
I thought he was mixed race, I was going off the scene when he's brought out of the tank in the light. He looks black.

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>>81417172
>churchill
by the time the churchill got to the fucking battle it was over. The british had to delay breakthroughs waiting for their tanks to catch up.

>nothing special about shermans
Decent armor (more effective armor than the pz4 frontal glacis), decent gun (75mm was perfectly adequate for when it was introduced, later the 76mm was also adequate), and high crew survival rate (80% of the crew statistically would survive when it was knocked out).

>>81417313
>Not at those fucking ranges.
all were high angle shots
>The fact you think the 'Sherman' is the best tank of the war shows your lack of knowledge. Which Sherman, eh? M4? M4A1? M4A2? M4A3? M4A4? What about the M4A3 105mm? Or the M12, which is based on the same chassis?

The fact that so many armored vehicles were based on the same chassis makes ease for mass production. The M4A3E8 would be the 'best' one

>>81417329
Panther had shit reliability, first debut
50% of the unit's tanks broke down before reaching the front lines. Read up on the after war tests the french did on the captured panthers.

>>81417496
He's charred, most likely.

>>81417455
You do know the gun the Fury tank has equipped was actually able to penetrate the Tiger from the front, right? You do know that most of the German tanks, and I'm actually including the Panther here, weren't really all that good and had massive problems, especially in the armor department.

>>81417455
>We lost over 10 shermans for every german tank we got.
back that number up right now

>>81415717
We were soldiers, the great escape. the only two I can think of off the top of my head. But I'm sure there's more. Point taken, though.

>>81417455
>WoT: the post

Read a book kiddo

>>81417660
>Read a book kiddo
but not death traps by belton cooper

guy was a worthless POG writing a bunch of lies, he even gets facts wrong about tanks he "supposedly" served with while he was maintenance personel

>>81417724
Yeah, from what I've read his work is highly disputed but it keeps getting mentioned as one of the sources for all of this the shermans were crap shit going around the internet.

>>81417791
He also created the myth that troops call the sherman the "ronson" because they "light every time" while I pretty sure that slogan wasn't even invented until after the war

>>81417724
>>81417791
The Sherman E8 was literally better armored than a Tiger I

>>81417879
okay found it
http://tanksandafv.blogspot.com/2014/04/the-m4-sherman-ronson-lights-first.html

"lights every time" was invented before the war but most advertisements didn't use that slogan.

>>81417958
If this was the tank they used in the movie I might be able to believe the tiger battle and the crossroads battle

>>81411042
>no plot
>the movie

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>tfw you get killed by a leaf.

>>81417565
Ah then my mistake. I mean I don't care too much. Not like films haven't rammed black people in anyway.

>>81417547
The Churchill was an infantry support tank. It wasn't meant to duke it out. If you wanted that kind of shit you went with other types of tanks. Like the Matilda or Valentine.

75mm and 76mm were not adequete come to the Europe campaign. American Command literally panicked over no good tanks existing to deal with Panthers upwards. They laughed at the Brits for bunging their 17pdr (which I guess is 76.5mm) on a Sherman. But it worked. It was the only tank capable to do it.

Also it really depends on your sources. For example, according to http://www.royaltankregiment.com/9_RTR/tech/reichswald/Reichswald%20Report.htm the report said the Churchill managed to make progress in conditions no other tank could. Well that's a pretty good marker for a good tank. Furthermore the Churchill was considered a much superior gun platform than the Sherman, meaning the 75mm's from the Americans were field attached to Churchill's which increased the effective range of the gun.

>>81417879
Are you sure you're not confusing Shermans with Sherman Fireflies? The Firefly's were known as "Tommy Cookers" because if you hit them, it would set it on fire. The Firefly was also known to cause temp blindness with each shot. But it was a quick solution to the Panther/Tiger problem and it worked. 1 Firefly for every 10 regulars.

>>81417892
It was? I'm pretty sure the M4A3E2 was the one which was better armoured (or similarly armoured).

>>81417993
It wasn't. They used a M4A2. As in, it was an actual Sherman tank that was lent to the film crew. It was M4A2, it wasn't a T26E4. It wasn't even a Jumbo.

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>>81417892
well it had more effective armor on the frontal glacis but I wouldn't say better armored. I would say it was a better armored vehicle though (for American doctrine at least)

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>>81418016
It's just a movie about the live of a veteran tank crew during the last days of ww2

>>81418055
>It wasn't. They used a M4A2. As in, it was an actual Sherman tank that was lent to the film crew. It was M4A2, it wasn't a T26E4. It wasn't even a Jumbo.
I know. I'm saying hypothetically if the movie was based on the crew of a Super Pershing then I would find the battle scenes at least somewhat believable

The best tank, in my opinion, of the war was the Churchill VII. That baby had better armour than a Tiger and could equip so many gun varints which performed better than on other platforms. The 75mm, 76.5mm, 95mm Howizter (I think this might have been reclassified as a VIII though) and the Crocodile and AVRE were fantastic. DUSTBIN GUNS.

>>81418118
Dude, the gun mounted on War Daddy would have fucked the Tiger. The fact that it took 3 Shermans to fuck the Tiger is already exaggerated as fuck.

>>81418154
>War Daddy
Goddamnit, mounted on the Fury.

>>81418118
Ah right, yeah. T26E4's are such sexy looking tanks. I also like the Conqueror (it was ready by 1945 but it never saw service, sexy tank). What else? I liked the T28, that was cool. The T34 Heavy or whatever it was named was sexy too. Sturmtiger also was sexy. Sturer Emil was also pretty cool.

>>81418154
>The fact that it took 3 Shermans to fuck the Tiger is already exaggerated as fuck.
There's also the fact that the tiger drives out of cover and targets the shorter-barreled Shermans rather than the lead Sherman (Fury) with the biggest gun.

>>81418221
True, but if you want to nitpick, the battle should have happened at ranges over 800 meters and the Tiger would have tried to maintain distance at all costs to make use of it's gun.

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>>81418258

>>81415262
Outside of Guadalcanal, when did the marines ever assault an island being the underdogs?

>>81418266
This. The tactics used, however, were correct. You used Sherman's speed to close the gap and hoped the Tiger missed. But usually in such situations there was 7 other tanks with you and perhaps some Tank Destroyers providing covering fire from further back.

The German breaking cover was stupid though. Still, wasn't it an actual Tiger from the British museum? It was filmed in UK iirc. Like the last Tiger tank still in working condition.

>>81418055
>Are you sure you're not confusing Shermans with Sherman Fireflies? The Firefly's were known as "Tommy Cookers" because if you hit them, it would set it on fire. The Firefly was also known to cause temp blindness with each shot. But it was a quick solution to the Panther/Tiger problem and it worked. 1 Firefly for every 10 regulars.
I pretty sure the term "tommy cookers" was also invented by that liar Belton Cooper but it was based off that fact that British Tankers stored ammo in every available space in the Africa Campaign which would result in a ammo cook off everytime the tank was penetrated. If they stored the ammo properly they would have had less ammo cook offs. By Normandy wet stowage would have started to be fazed in, (iirc Firefly's never got wet stowage)

also
>10 regulars
some places I read was a platoon of 4 had 3 75mms with 1 17pounder.


>75mm and 76mm were not adequete come to the Europe campaign. American Command literally panicked over no good tanks existing to deal with Panthers upwards. They laughed at the Brits for bunging their 17pdr (which I guess is 76.5mm) on a Sherman. But it worked. It was the only tank capable to do it.

Now here's where I start pulling things out my ass
>75mm
Its still good for supporting infantry, infact better HE rounds than the 76mm or the 76.2mm (17 pounder). That's also why the Brits replaced the 57mm on the churchill for a 75mm.
>76mm
could penetrate the pz4, stugs, and most common german vehicles from the front. But from the front it could only penetrate the panther through the turret face.

>>81418221
cover was smoked out by WP and also I believe the german tank crew were also pretty cocky

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>>81418355
Yep

>>81418399
iirc the turret ring was jammed by a AP round and the crew bailed out

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>>81418435
Shit happens

>>81411580
EY MI'ASKUSUMMIN WA'DADDY

>>81418359
Thing is, we're comparing two different doctrines. The Americans weren't a hurting people, they were fresh and at full capacity. They were raring to go and the tech was around doing it as quickly as possible. The Brits? They took things slow and methodical to prevent losses. That's why tanks were heavier and used for infantry. The Brits changed their tank weapons, to the best of my knowledge, near the end of the Africa Campaign by using spare (or survived from wrecked) Sherman's. So the 3pdr guns (43mm iirc) were replaced with 75mm. But that shit was nearly over.

75mm was great for supporting infantry, it's why the Brits didn't really go any higher than it. Bar the Firefly's and and Achillies, they didn't go above 75mm, really. As they saw tanks as infantry support. The Achilles was very successful, it was basically an M10 with a 76.5mm instead of the 76.22mm. So that's the M4(?) chassis iirc.

As for the 76mm, yeah it could just about do Panthers, but it's why the 17pdr was so loved. It was the only British tank capable of dealing with Panthers and Tigers reliably. There are some sources, if I remember correctly, of several Panthers and Tigers being destroyed by Fireflys. Great tank.

As for the Americans? They did not recognise the need for a tank to deal with Panther's and Tiger's. The 75mm couldn't do it from the front, though it could do it from the turret sides at combat range. The 76mm couldn't do it at the front bar the mantlet at close range (so not combat range, ideal combat range anyway). The HVAP round they made for the 76mm still couldn't punch the glacis plate, though it could do the mantlet at combat range (ideal). It wasn't until the M36 came around with it's 90mm that it could do it and even THEN it had to wait till the HVAP round to do it regularly enough to be worth engaging. Also due to Battle of Bulge, the 76mm was the only variant of the M4 Sherman to be shipped over.

Sometimes I wonder what would have happened had the Germans kept their entire reserves back and entrenched into Berlin instead of Battle of the Bulge. The Allies would not have wanted to risk such an attack and would have let the Russians kill themselves doing it. Possibly weakening them enough to not have the ability to resist Allied demands for release of captured states. Then again Battle of the Bulge was only bad cause the Americans refused to believe the British who said "Massive armoured attack coming, prepare" cause they had broken the code years before. Could have saved lives.


Funny how one event in the entire war is hardly known. The Germans would have had a nuclear bomb by 1944 had British and British Trained Norwegian Commandos not sunk a transport ship of Hard Water right over the deepest part of a lake, making it impossible to get back. Plus they bombed the factories making it. But the Hard Water was the ingrident that Germany needed for the bomb. As it was, it got sunk and the British designed a nuclear bomb in theory and offered it to USA in return for help. So UK and USA worked together and built a bomb. But imagine if Hitler had it before then. What would he have done? Nuked Moscow? London?

>>81411042
>there's just no way that you could believably portray the Americans as underdogs in WWII

That depends entirely on which battle and units.

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>>81418896
>Sometimes I wonder what would have happened had the Germans kept their entire reserves back and entrenched into Berlin instead of Battle of the Bulge. The Allies would not have wanted to risk such an attack and would have let the Russians kill themselves doing it. Possibly weakening them enough to not have the ability to resist Allied demands for release of captured states. Then again Battle of the Bulge was only bad cause the Americans refused to believe the British who said "Massive armoured attack coming, prepare" cause they had broken the code years before. Could have saved lives.

You can't win a war by defending. Allied Air superiority was no joke, given more time and demand for it B-29s could have been shipped over increasing the capability. Infact if it came down to it the Allies might have firebombed every single german city if they need to.

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>>81419061
Do it again bomber harris!

>>81419061
I'm sure, but the 'race for Berlin' stopped for the Allies when they realised that the USSR would probably reach it first and there was discussion about potentially having to fight them. So the idea was the 'bleed' them.

Had Hitler kept his forces back, he might have been able to inflict such damage on the USSR that the 'West' might have gone "Wanna fuck them over Addy?" and switched sides to fuck over the USSR. I'm not saying Hitler would be left to lead, he'd have been tried and killed and shit. But this is all fun what ifs? I know Allies could have bombed everything, but by then the German airforce had aircraft capable of fucking up the bombers and escorts. Sure he couldn't build that many. But I'm pretty sure had he used his reserves to launch a counter on USSR it might have turned out differently.

I dunno. The War was lost as soon as BEF and French escaped over from Dunkirk. It was only a matter of time then. German Commanders knew that USSR would attack if they just waited. They knew Britain would gather their strength.

Still... Yeah. I'm being silly, it isn't as easy as saying stuff like that. But I wonder what would have happened if the West just stopped or slowed down and USSR had to attack Berlin with the Panzer reserves and the trained troop reserves as well.

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>>81419106
Reap the whirlwind

>>81419363
I believe that there was some political reasons behind letting the USSR get to be first into Berlin. I remember some thing about an agreement between the west and stalin because he wanted to get revenge.

>>81411618
Russia smashed the wehrmacht you retarded fuck. By the time the Yanks showed up the war was already over

>>81413503
blacked.com

>>81419480
Not true, if Germany wasn't split on 2(3 if you count Africa) fronts it would have been a very different war. As soon as the US entered the war the tables were turned through lend-lease.

>Yanks
I thought they would at least teach history in "european superior education", or you were probably too stupid to learn.

>>81419417
Really? I know Churchill and Eisenhower wanted to get to Berlin first to steal all the shit and get all the engineers and so on. Was the agreement "We let you take Berlin, but you let us in and we split up what we find?" or something like that? I dunno. It seems odd.

>>81419480
This. However, Battle of Stalingrad was won because Britain managed to tell Stalin about how bad the situation was for the German forces AND when and where the German relief force was coming. This allowed Stalin to not only encircle the Stalingrad German Besiegers, but prevent their relief army getting them. This meant 80,000ish soldiers were captured. This was the final blow. There was no coming back from this. Hitler was a fool trying to get Stalingrad over Moscow. He gave time for General Winter to do his job and USSR to build railways, factories and train and recruit people plus design new shit. Yet the message allowed them to win and start pushing Germany back.

Germany went to war against France and BEF with barely any motorised logistical vehicles. This wasn't rectified even by Operation Barbossa. This resulted in Stalingrad force dying.

>>81419703
Britain had Western Europe, North Africa, Mediterranean (Cyprus, Greece, Malta etc), India, Pacific, and Burma. Britain had way more fronts to fight on. Singapore was worst event in their history, all because Germany committed a warcrime sinking a merchant vessel that happened to have orders and information for Singapore... Who surrendered to Japan thinking they'd not be savages.

Russia only had one front. Operation Barbarossa had only one front. Italy was fighting Africa with German support. Hitler had 4,000,000 men and thousands of aircraft and tanks in that period, they smashed USSR. It only got bad because the advised 6 month delay for Kursk allowed Russia to prepare and Hitler was autistic over Stalingrad.

The war was lost when Britain didn't surrender. Largest Empire known to man wasn't going to lose.

>>81411264
Those 5 pilots are the real heros not the tankers.

>>81419898
>Largest Empire known to man wasn't going to lose
...the war. Lost itself though :(

>>81412761

His accent was even worse in that Tarantino shitfest.

>>81413503

>Der Untergang

>>81411042
I can never bring myself to rewatch it, it's got shia beef for contrast to boot, he makes anyone look good by comparison, it didn't have to be pitt could have been any generic stoic actor - same movie.