>the expanse How can this get so much right and be so boring?

>>81393535
politics and social issues

>>81393578
BSG did that and nailed it. it russles my jimmies to see people call it the next BSG

>>81393535
Serious charisma deficiency. Amos and Avarasala or even the OPA guy could be cute minor characters but the lack of a couple of charismatic actors in leading roles (Holden, I'm looking at you) really hurts it.

Also doesn't help that the story kills off the only guy that accomplished it in Thomas Jane (playing Miller, who was also a more interesting character overall, if familiar or even cliché) who isn't exactly a movie star and still stood head and shoulders above the rest, only to replace him with the really hammy martian muhreen.

It's a shame, really. The foundation is rock solid and a little more panache could've made this a big fucking hit.

>>81393786
Because they didn't directly reference current events. Yes, the hunt for cylons was clearly inspired by the red scare and the fear of muslim terrorism but they didn't beat you over the head with their message.

Redpill me on this show
is it worth watching?

>>81393914

Best sci-fi show on tv, hands down. If you like that kind of shit, then yes.

>>81393914
This >>81393931 is true but unfortunately TV sci-fi is so shit, it doesn't mean much.

Still, it is worth a watch. Solid plot and production values, mediocre acting talent, social/political intrigue and NO FUCKING CHEESE like most tv sci-fi. Overall solid show.

>>81393786
>BSG did that and nailed it.
BSG also made a complete fucking mess of its religious subplot so there's that.

>>81393827
Shut your whore mouth Chrisjen carries the whole show

I'm on ep 5 and i really don't get where this is going. i hope there's a payoff soon because i'm fuckin bored, and i love sci-fi

>>81393827
>Thomas Jane
Am i the only one who almost didn't recognize him? I blame the stupid hat.
Depending on how much they condensed the plot, he will probably be back by the end of the season or the middle of the next.

>>81394202
>Am i the only one who almost didn't recognize him?

The rest of us have eyes and can read his name in the opening, which you should have at least watched once since it looks great.

There's really no excuse.

>>81393535
Anyone have the webm of thicc chick beating le ebil general in the last episode?

>>81394134
She's the most interesting character and she does a good job in it but we both know that's a complete exaggeration. The production values carry the show.

>>81393535
what do you want, OP? car crashes? more explosions? titty shots? drunk twenty-somethings riding shopping carts down hills and into the ocean?

monster trucks, right? you want monster trucks. so go watch the friggin' monster truck channel.

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>>81393827
>Also doesn't help that the story kills off the only guy that accomplished it in Thomas Jane (playing Miller
... read the books.

>>81394258
Eh, Jane isn't exactly Hollywood royalty. How is it so hard to believe someone wouldn't recognize a leading dude from a couple of moderately successful mid-budget movies?

>>81394367
The books are irrelevant for the show's problems. And regardless that he comes back you still have most of a season without him or anyone else to pick up his pace.

>>81394129

For you.

>>81393914
It has nice visuals a few good moments, but imo it's just boring as fuck with really bad casting

>>81394667
for everyone, not a single person has ever finished bsg for the first time and gone, 'well that finished it all off beautifully', no every single person ever has gone 'WHAT THE FUCK? SHES AN ANGEL, THEIR ANGELS FUCK THIS NOISE

>>81394369
well that does mean he hasn't seen punisher or the mist, I mean he really shouldn't even be here

>>81393535
b-but it is not boring anon.

>>81395106
Its a little boring, Amos and Alex and drapers ass make it worth it though

>kills the only aryan actor
>show become boring

really jogs my noggins

>>81394855

*tips fedora*

>>81395212
yea ok last five minutes sucked newfag, also crashing their ships in the sun dumb af

>>81393914
Good plot. Not very interesting characters.

>>81395302

>crashing their ships in the sun dumb af

The only thing that pissed me off desu.

>>81393535
at first i wasnt on board with the samoan
but after those last two episodes
BOBBY A CUTE

>>81395376
it was that and starbuck that pissed me off, mostly starbuck, it was literally,
>can't think of what to do
>how to explain starbuck
>fuck it shes an angel
goddamn still angry

>>81393786
>BSG did that and nailed it.
it didn't. the plebpraised Adama and every else made loads of retarded """"strategy""" move.

>>81395583
not that anon but wtf did you just say about Adama?

>have literal orgasm when dude plots a gravity assist minimal thrust course around 5 jovian moons

>he comes around a moon and sees an enemy ship
>he just kinda reverses thrust and slips back behind the moon

seems like every time it gets something right it gets something else completely wrong.

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>>81393827
>Also doesn't help that the story kills off the only guy that accomplished it in Thomas Jane (playing Miller, who was also a more interesting character overall, if familiar or even cliché) who isn't exactly a movie star and still stood head and shoulders above the rest, only to replace him with the really hammy martian muhreen.
This really. The books live and die on the strength of their characters. Book 2 is widely considered great, and Bobby IN THE BOOKS is a beloved POV character. Bobby in the books has her shit together.

Bobby in the show is whiny, petulant, and does not have her shit together. At all. Also she has an Australian accent for some really weird reason.

Anyway, the last episodes continual tweaking of events for no good reason has killed any expectation of the show recovering. It's bizarre to see a show go from great to shit in one season, but not totally unexpected. It just makes the first season all the more amazing, for being so good.

>>81394892
Fair enough on Mist but the other Jane staple is Thursday, not Punisher.

>>81395980
>but the other Jane staple is Thursday, not Punisher.

>not Deep Blue Sea

Surrounded by plebsharks

>>81395980
>>81395990
calm down children both thursday and deep blue sea are pure Janecore

>>81395887

I know right, it's not like it's rocket science!

>>81393535
It isn't boring though, you ultra pleb

>>81395887
Expect more of this shit going forward.

It's aggravating, especially after the first season's slavish, almost diabolic attention to detail.

>>81395623
he's an incompetent retarded old faggot

>>81396153
thats just mean, he was competent for at least 3 seasons and a couple more eps after that

>>81395946
Book 2 is considered great? It's practically the same plot as Book 1, but with endless boring bullshit on Ganymede, and Avasarala doing jackshit for most of a book.

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>>81393827
Not only is the guy a terrible actor and a charisma vacuum, he has an extremely punchable face. I don't particularly like any of the actors for the crew of the Roci, not even Amos, but this guy makes the rest of them look like Oscar winners.

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>>81396236
I liked it a lot, idk. Aside from Prax and his boring-ass chapters it was great. Avasarala is awesome, don't be a hater. She literally does more in that book than she has done all season in the show.

Also Ashur is like the LAST dude I would have pictured as her head of security, this dude is just way too slimy for me.

>>81396236
Book Rankings so far:

Leviathan Wakes
Nemesis Games
Cibola Burn
Caliban's War
Abaddon's Gate

>>81396345
>nemesis 2nd
nigger that book practically put me to sleep. If it wasn't for Amos weathering the apocalypse it would have been the worse thing ever.

>>81396339
Her head of security sucked ass in the book though. Pointless

>>81396339
ASHUR PROVIDES

>>81396187
this, I understand now why they did aris and I hope they do something similar again, jane was the only worth belter oh and that chick that works for nigger general

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>me on the left

>>81396423
sure, but since they are making him a composite character of that dude and her traitorous first assistant, couldn't they have found someone less gross?

or perhaps that's the whole point, Bobby will unmask him in some dramatic fashion that demures from the book and winds up being even less plausible

>>81396484
Why can't he just be a chill security guy

>>81395887
It suffers from the "we need an action beat every 10 minutes or the dumb american audience will lose focus" syndrome. Same reason behind Bobbie beating her superior officer into a pulp.

>>81396378
Getting to know more about the crew's background, and the Earth getting blown up was the most interesting paradigm shift since the introduction of the protomolecule. Personally I think Cibola Burn and Abaddon's gate are tied for worst. Only really interesting parts of them were the stuff with the aliens.

>>81396501
they cast a meme actor which means they intend to either make the character a foil in a dramatic twist, or keep him on as a protagonist sidekick in later seasons

i suspect the former because ashur was a huge cunt

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>>81394310

>>81396512
Bullshit. Most episodes have at most one or two action beats.

>>81396554
Not the Expanse visual team's finest moment. But they've done a lot of great work so I'll let it slide.

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>>81396521
what makes him a meme actor?

>>81396631
jupiter's cock

>everyone knows him as ashur
>ashur was a huge cunt
>cunts in spartacus were memeable

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Why do you guys hate holden?

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>>81396706
eyebrow game too strong
why does he always make this face?

Honestly I am struggling to care much about the Expanse universe without watching Thomas Jane stumbling through it. It's not the people who made the show's fault, it's just how the story goes, but it was better with him in it.

>>81396706
I don't, its bookfags they think he isn't what they pictured in the books, kinda annoying no-one is ever going to be what you imagine when reading something, he was kinda flat last season, much better this one tho

>>81396827
maybe his eyes are really dry

>>81396867
>recycler is too loud
>my feet hurt
>wish i was on the roci right now

after GoT and season 10 of The Expanse ends:
>movies with twins remade with Holden and John Snow
Double Dynamite
Legend
Jack and Jill
Man in the iron mask

>>81396339
They need to make him more like Ashur to help fix the charisma void

>>81396843
bookfag here, I can't believe they aren't going to end the season with "We need to talk", but they really need to make the investigator the focus of season 3. otherwise there's nothing to keep me watching: it's no longer miller time; they're only half-assing the autistic accuracy to life in space, therefore i'm out.

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Would you a belter?

>>81393535
real sci-fi is supposed to be boring.

Space is boring as shit.

>>81396978
belters are qt, tho
I'm just afraid not to brake their bones during snuggle time

>>81395946
>Australian

it's new zealander ya egg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2gii2nenUg

>>81397097
Just need some OsteoX

>>81397070
>space is boring as shit
true, yet my favorite moments from season 1 were all the dumb little details no one gives a shit about

>julie's hair in the very first episode
>coriolis effect when miller pours a drink
>the scene in the ship bay of the Donagger when Holden uses Naomi as reaction mass during zero-g.

practically had a heart attack at that last one; i thought the dawn of spacekino was upon us

>>81396892
you forgot
>i need a proper coffee

>>81393786
>BSG did that and nailed it

No, it did not. Not even in the slightest. Everything about BSG was pandering to violence, personal relationship drama, and sex. Did you not fucking watch it at all? It was merely a toned down GoT in space. Fuck, the original series was better than it, from a script perspective.

>>81396827
it's the "i'm acting" face

>>81395887
that course would've taken literal months to complete

>>81396978
I fucking hate belters
so maybe hate fuck

>>81396517
cibola is def the worst, its literally belter terrorist din do nuffin. Thank god for the ayy stuff or the whole book would have been a write-off

>>81397348
none of this shit happens in the books of course

in the books he just shotguns that shit, because he's a crazy motherfucker

>>81396706
He was boring in the books so im not surprised hes boring in the show

>>81394129
Religious plots always turn out bad. There is a reason deus ex machina is looked down upon.

>>81396264
He has awful posture, he can't stand straight in any scene. "Steven Strait" more like "Steven Crooked"

>>81393535
Main cast all sucks. Holden/negress can't act.

Amos is a shit character. Alex is okay.

>>81397462
it wasn't any deus ex machina, the plot was resolved it was just shitty tying off lose ends, cause they didn't have season 4 properly planed

>>81397520
Hella

F*ckin

Epic

>>81396473
He could be watching 13 Reasons right there on those sunglasses and nobody would be the wiser
Just think about that

>>81396944
I'm almost convinced they're somehow going to end this season with "We need to talk.". They have to.

>>81397600
can you faggots stop spoiling shit? you realize this is why these threads are always so dead between eps right?

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>>81397529
>BSG wasn't deus ex machina
Are you fucking kidding me? They took a magical jump that brought them right to Earth, humans magically evolved there too, and Starbuck turned out to be A LITERAL ANGEL!

>>81396554
hehehehe

>>81397700
nah at least that was kinda setup with the eye and the 5 tapped in, she had been having visions of her dad, and that one cylon always thought she was special, going with, so she just vanished guess she was an angel ever since that accident, instead of just having it be shes getting messages same as baltar and roslin, but no cause their was too much shit to tie up so they went for the easy shit option, caprica and baltar ghosts were setup as something maybe angels, starbuck wasn't, writers strike fucked with s4, deny it all you want

>>81394063
>no FUCKING CHEESE

you're gonna say like that don't constantly use the word Belter? Do you know how retarded that sounds?

>>81397160
yeah

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>earther instead of Terran

>>81394150
Season 1 is character building. Season 2 is the real meat and bones.

>>81397668
you mean it isn't because no one is watching?

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>>81397668
>>81397600
>>81396944

>>81396706

He's getting better in latest episodes, as long as he doesn't go full dark knight. I liked last episode the slingshot scene was nice and Amos was being a big damn hero.

>>81398123
it was renewed for s3 someones watching, and tbph i don't bother with these threads because all major plot points have been spoiled by u fgts

>>81398154
hes only better because his screen times been dropped to just about nothing each episode.

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Bookfags post yfw Earth blows up Mars using Phobos in the next season.

>>81398177

Could be that as well.

>>81398153
lol, its perfect

>>81398161
its guaranteed four seasons because canadian subsidies basically cover the entire budget

said subsidies only last four seasons

Will they resurrect miller?

>>81398153
It's why I stopped visiting these threads.

>>81398203
yep I know that too, thanks so we get 4 then I read the books, whats the problem here?

>>81397856
Holy fuck, breath.

>>81393535
>How can this get so much right and be so boring?
It's not

>>81398069
That's the point. The rest of the system don't want to make them sound dignified.

>>81398244
you mean breathe, something went fucky with it just before posting meh

>>81398242
Just saying, no ones watching.

>>81398203
I can't find anything about Canadian subsidies for this show

>>81398196
I'm more excited for when the Protomolecule starships emerge from Venus and start cutting ships in half with their lasers. It'll also be interesting to see the resurrected Miller and his army of Protomolecule husks.

>>81398343
people are, idk what the rating are like but anyone who likes sci-fi is watching, just a season at a time, if their expecting weekly rating their going to be disappointed

>>81398432
>anyone who likes sci-fi is watching

its really shit sci-fi though

>>81398300
I think he just mean your typing style is weird, you use a lot of commas, never full stops, so it looks like you're just talking endlessly, never stopping

>>81398581
its the only decent one in ages, and if you bring up those other two I will fucking cut you irl

>>81398609
yea but my post also got fucked up, bits got dragged into other bits, so the whole post is sorta confusing regardless

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>>81393844

The Cylons represent Transgendered Transhumans.

>>81398153
hahahah

>>81398616
You mean its just the most recent one. The sci-fi aspects play just about zero actual role in the plot. Its pure space opera. All the plot movements could be set in any time period with minimal alterations.

Coupled with the fact the characters aren't notable or unique, the setting isn't notable or unique, and the plot definitely isn't notable or unique, its shit.

>>81398153
I'll save this just so I can repost it when the season ends with something boring

>>81398842
>You mean its just the most recent one.
yes i mean the most recent one, i've seen all sci-fi already, most sci-fi fans have anything new that treats space like this is a treat you dumb fucking pleb

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>>81398842
>The sci-fi aspects play just about zero actual role in the plot
Are you fucking retarded Anon

>>81396706
shit actor

literally talks in the same fucking tone all the time
>muh deep and dark voice

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HAVE YOU SEEN THE CONTINUUM TRANSFUNCTIONER?

>>81396264
I've never understood, what exactly constitutes a punchable face

>>81399744
i don't know why but this guy makes me laugh

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>>81396264
>I don't particularly like any of the actors for the crew of the Roci, not even Amos

Alex is top Roci. Even if him and Amos were both beaten with the handsome stick for the show.

>>81396473
>1G is too much gravity
>my feet hurt
>I wish I was harassing cargo ships around Deimos
>an Earther tried to talk to me yesterday, six-foot-one manlet scum

Haven't watched since episode 5. Has the hybrid been introduced, and did it wreck shit on ganymede?

>>81400052

So far it's only been glimpsed and tore some shit up just off-screen.

>>81395887
They apologized for that scene. I could have accepted the moon hopping but that back-up was almost cartoonish. They shouldn't have done that. Alex is still the man though.

>>81393535
ADD is a curable disorder

Did Miller die and Eros get destroyed in the books? Feels like they jumped through quite a few hoops to send off him and Julie, and then happen to find another station just a few days later where almost the exact same plot can happen as if Eros didn't get destroyed.

>>81396978
literally my fetish.

>>81400358
>treatable
FTFYF

Its primarily a character drama.
They always get the "its boring" criticism at some point.

>>81400577
>Its primarily a character drama.
What the fuck? No it isn't. What do you think a character drama is, a drama with characters?

>>81400577
To be fair some of it is pretty bad. Like an episode or two ago when they got the guy killed whose ship they stole. Anyone could see it coming from a million miles away, and even then it was still super poorly done.

>>81400165
>off-screen
Cheap fucking bastards

>>81396554
The stuntwoman could never be as thicc as Gunny Draper

>>81400778
Lol, sure, not really a true type, but its a drama focusing on the interactions of its characters. Shit like the walking dead, bsg, stargate universe.

>>81399823
usually an expression of smug self-satisfaction combined with physical weakness. it's a combination that triggers other men's primal "this male has higher status than me but i could take him in a fight" instinct. it's the primordial reptile deep within your DNA urging you to overthrow and crush your pathetically weak social superior and take his women and his place in the tribal hierarchy

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>>81402378
Except Strait is a muscleman.

>>81393535
all the characters are shit
the pacing too

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>>81396264
What's up everybody, this is Amos

WHAT DOES THIS GET RIGHT? WATCHED THE PILOT AND IT'S LITERALLY GENERIC SC-FI SHOW#12212

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>>81403409
Oh no cr1tikal's hot

>>81403552
you marathoned the entire first episode? impressive

>>81403596
He's still depressed as fuck though.

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>>81403596
Yeah i expected him to be pretty chunky if not outright fat.

>>81403683
A lot less now

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>>81394855
I did. I loved all of it. I hope that doesn't upset you that not everyone shares your opinion.

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>>81400007
>I wish I was harassing cargo ships around Deimos

10/10

>>81393535
>Previously on The Expanse

You read this in cancer lady's voice.

>>81404217
She's far hotter than she has any right to be

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>>81403683
>depressed
>still has enough energy to work out and have a girlfriend and make 10+ minute long videos every single day

>>81404320
Depression is a relative thing.

>>81404381
Nah it's just a misused word by normies to make themselves feel ''deep'' and cynical.

>>81404418

You can be depressed and still do things while feeling like human garbage.

>>81404608
If you can still do all of those things you're not fucking depressed, you're just being existential or whatever.

>>81393535

No nudity allowead

this is the reason

>>81403552
Space sci-fi barely exists these days after dying for about 5 years. The others that are around are pretty episodic Firefly knockoffs where the crew are the only main characters. This is serialized, more serious of a show, and has several different plotlines happening concurrently. Even in it's heyday, there were much fewer space sci-fi shows like it than say Dark Matter.

>>81404002
Must admit, she looks damn good in that photo

>>81393535

>How can this get so much right and be so boring?

Killing off most interesting character/best actor, Miller/Thomas Jayne

Holden and the pilot are boring characters/actors, yet they get a lot of screentime.

Everything is becoming increasingly predicable, half an episode wasted on a some dolt who invented a new engine and died, wtf was that shit ?

>>81405214
thicc afffff

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>>81404002

>>81405268
it moves too slow. i literally run the episodes in the background while playing mmos and i still get everything happening

>>81393578
But that's the best part of the show you absolute pleb, Rocinante characters being the worst (except Amos)

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Why do Martians not have a distinct dialect/vocabulary like Belters do? They all sound different

>>81405615
Because they're not space niggers.

>>81393914
Its the new Battlestar, only the characterization was sacrificed for realistic space battles and physics.

aka fucking watch it negro

>>81395887
>he just kinda reverses thrust and slips back behind the moon

Theoretically you could actually do something like this, although it would take a fuck-ton of fuel and you would need to do a full 90+ degree burn (perpendicular to the current orbit) to enter into a highly inclined polar orbit.

>>81405615
A strong central government with uniform education. It's not well off educated people that make up slang.

>>81393535

The minority/woman quota fucks this show hard.

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>>81396153
fuck off

>>81404712
Yes, you can be depressed. It just has to be a slump that you don't feel in control of and that doesn't go away. If it impedes your day to day life then it is depression. Just because they aren't a complete asocial NEET doesn't mean they aren't depressed.

>>81406487
And the shitty actor quota

>>81405877
>>81395887
Yeah, nothing about that was right. From the admitted fuck up to the reversing using directional thrusters. I mean shit man.

It is like watching a movie that has cars in it and none of the physics of driving cars is correct and it isn't a movie intended for children or part of the plot and universe. they just do it because they don't know any better or think no one else will realize it.

>>81405615
Martians are supposed to be super ethically diverse in the fluff, having been settled by pretty much every nation on Earth with the best and brightest. Each colony had a different approach to the settlement of Mars, and after independence they're slowly mixing together into a new race/nationality, although many still hold their original culture and languages from Earth.

Meanwhile Belters are just the equivalent of space white trash whose only reason for existence is because their ancestors wanted that sweet space hazard pay. They all live roughly the same and work the same jobs on the same types of ships so its became its own subculture with its own jargon.

>>81405615

The area Alex is from has a distinct texas drawl. Which is funny, because out of the three main groups that settled in that area the Texans were the smallest by far. So yeah, some martians have accents.