Does this mean /tv/ will die?

>>81338049
We'll just move onto shitposting about reality shows

>>81338049
Why do writers think they're not irreplaceable?

No the moderation team is paid by studios to make sure it stays alive.

>>81338049
No, but it will be extremely painful.

>>81338049
>time to pick up all those rejected scripts again

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>The Winds of Winter NEVER EVER

>>81338112
Have you even watched writer's strike Tom and Jerry or Simpsons?

>>81338049
Naw they'll reach a compromise, no one wants a repeat of the 07/08 strike, it was just bad for everyone.

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>remembering the last time this shit happened

daily reminder that they're protesting from at least 2004.
this is why movies are crimminally bad

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>>81338146

This wouldn't affect shows that are airing soon right? Like GoT, Leftovers, Fargo etc.

Why do they protest? Money?

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I'm already dead.

>>81338354
They want more money to vomit their horrid fanfiction out even though nobody wants it.

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>>81338297

>GoT
>Airing soon

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>>81338146
kys
>dreams of spring only as dreams

preston help us all

Does this mean Conan will be good again for a while?

>>81338119
For you

>>81338354
Rent and drugs are too expensive to only be productive once every three years

>>81338112
>irreplaceable

>newcunts don't remember the 2007 strike
it will literally ruin everything

>threaten not to write more crap in a time when people will watch shit on youtube
good plan

Hahahahahahahahaha How The Fuck Are Writers Strikes Real Hahahaha Nigga Just Walk Away From The Screen Like Nigga Close Your Eyes Haha

>>81338517
There's literally nothing to ruin.

>>81338152
>writer's strike Tom and Jerry
Is this a joke?

remember what happened to heroes because of the writers strike? wew

>>81338165
>tfw you're so old that you remember when it happened in 88 and the second season of TNG suffered for it.

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we'll just live our lives
in dreams of yesterday

>>81338597
Heroes was already shit by then

>>81338562
chuckled

>>81338563
>true detective with david milch
>young pope season 2
>fargo season 4
maybe even twin peaks if that gets a 4th

>>81338586
No it's actually not.

>>81338642
Garbage.

>>81338642
lethal weapon season 2

>>81338049

If anything /tv/ will be better. FUCK WRITERS.

>>81338597
Virtually every major show suffered tremendously during the last strike, several were even canceled because of it. Heroes was just one of the bigger ones.

There was a cult of personality going around to any writer who dared cross the line being viewed by the WGA as a literal despot. It'll be just as bad if not worse this time.

>>81338049
it just means Conan will be funny again

Hollywood is at the point where it's so creatively bankrupt that this would probably be an improvement.

>>81338049
No wait there is a writer guild? You mean that the current stuff is written by professionals?

Are you shitting me?

>>81338642
fuck True Detective, he needs to work on Deadwood.

Young Pope's season 2 will be inferior to the first season and you know it. Besides, Sorrentino just writes it himself right?

Who cares about Fargo's possible 4th season when you don't even know if the 3rd is good?

Christ you're stupid.

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>>81338049
Oh wow what are they gonna do just leave and have us get plagued with reality TV and remakes?

DUDE... DRUMPF... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>give me a pay raise or I walk.

>>81338642
Twin Peaks will be fine. 3rd season's going to be the conclusion of the series.

>the writer's strike kills prison break
>they reboot it years later
>the writer's strike kills it again
POTTERY

>>81338112
>not irreplaceable

double negative there buddy

What do they want? I don't mean money, I mean how are they allegedly being fucked over?

>>81338846

isn't it meant to be just a one-season revival anyway?

>>81338642

All of those shows you listed don't even have a release date yet which means they can push them back if necessary.

>>81338895
It's always about money, anon.

>writers
>needed

Oh, I'm laughing. There's far too much puerile content being churned out by Hollywood. Keep the good writers, offer then 75%-less than what they're getting, and tell them that if they don't produce top quality results then they're better suited to an office or factory job.

Then watch those cunts go into top gear and tear each other apart to save their jobs.

>>81338049
Do you really not remember the writer's strike in 2007?
Heroes sure went to shit due to it.

>>81338049
What is alt-right's fucking problem?

>>81338562
t. Tyler the creator

>>81338957
>Keep the good writers, offer then 75%-less than what they're getting, and tell them that if they don't produce top quality results then they're better suited to an office or factory job.

I remember being 13. Don't remember being this much of a fag though.

>>81338957
You're an idiot. It's like you actually want committee movies.

>>81338996
Heroes went to shit with the season 1 finale. Strike had nothing to do with it

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>>81338517
>>81338165
>>81338049

It's different, the last time this happened it was in the middle of the September-to-May TV production season.

Most shows coming up now like Fargo, BCS, GoT, Silicon Valley have already finished writing all the episodes and for shows that are still in pre-production like Westworld S2 they can just push them back on the schedule if they need more time to write after the strike.

>>81338935
Yeah but why are they going to strike? Just asking for a raise or some source of revenue they don't a cut of or what

>>81339060
>implying I've watched a single film or television show, since 2009

Keep grasping though, lads. Stay thirsty.

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>>81338049
>This might actually happen
My dick can only get so erect.
I hope Hollywood crashes and burns so only true kino can rise from its ashes.

Do the writers ever lose in these strikes? Do they ever come out behind?

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>>81338049
>of America
And nothing of value was lost.

>>81339126
>>implying I've watched a single film or television show, since 2009
>he's spent 8 years vicariously watching films through Cambodian electrical planning posts

I can't handle your autism, "lad".

>>81338725
>fuck milch working on something new, he needs to work on his old stuff!
>fuck the young pope s2 it'll be shit because i said so!!!!
>fuck the 4th season of fargo despite the first 2 being good and a 3rd coming next month
>i'm le cynical 4chinnarian because fuck things!!!!
kys spastic

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>>81339243
Well, there's another place where everybody is sure to know your name, and they're always glad you came. I imagine somebody such as yourself would like it.

Reddit

>>81339150
Like the last time that happened?

>>81338079
How? The writers will be on strike.

@81339372
actual cringe

>>81339372
>he spent the last 8 years talking about shit he didn't even watch

I can't blame you for le reddit meme, I'd be too embarrassed to post anything else.

>>81339323
I'm sure you have hundreds of essential films that you need to watch. get away from television, it's practically worthless.

>>81339406
>doesn't even know how to highlight a post

My sides, where have they gone?

>>81339372
>that pic
>that joke
>a pic of literal Reddit: The Guy
You can't make this shit up

>>81338049
I swear every single time I look in the news I hear about some chain of the production line going on strike. What the fuck is going on?

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>>81339495
You seem.....

..................

................................ upset.

>>81339124
Negotiations are currently on a media blackout, but supposedly their healthcare pension is gonna dry up in 3 years and writers aren't getting paid enough for 'new media' that 'companies are making a lot of money with.'

Pretty close to the same shit as last time.

>>81339161
They lose every strike, anon.

>>81338642
Slit your throat.

>>81338049
>Does this mean /tv/ will die?
are offshore shills union?

>>81338889
>>81338112
That double negative is the reason why we need writers

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>workers unions

>>81338049
Outsource your scripts, buy mine ya Hollywood fucks.

>>81338438
>>81338703
if you guys want to see good episodes of conan, or any other late nite show, just watch a rerun from between Trump's candidacy and election

oh god those jokes they tell are so funny now

>People thinking this isn't a big deal

Confirmed for underage faggots who don't remember how shitty the last writers strike was.

Fuck these entitled writer pieces of shit.

>>81339577
Why the fuck are writers even in a union?

>>81338739
fist half of the new season of Game of Thrones is going to be clip shows and blooper reels

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Remember when south park made an episode making fun of these losers?

>>81338049
Another one?

Fucking unions. Fire them all.

>>81338760
Thanks for reminding me of that Mike Huckabee feud between Colbert and Conan.

I wonder what they'll do this time around.

>>81339894
i only remember it being shitty if you gave a crap about trash like heroes, smallville, or prison break

apparently we lost an episode of King of the Hill, not really seeing any other notable interruptions though

>>81338049
>better call Saul finished with next season
>Fargo finished with next season
Oh no whatever will we do?

What will happen to Max Landis?

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>>81340017
>Fucking unions. Fire them all.
This.

If you understand economics, there's really no reason for unions to exist. They're labor cartels.

They don't actually increase wages for workers, they just cause stagnation and unemployment.

They were NEVER necessary.
>b-b-but we got you the weekend and stopped child labor
No, capital investment did that. pic related

>>81340077

If breaking bad survived the writer's strike surely BCS will

>>81338049
Again? Fucking greedy assholes.

>writers do some good work and produce some good stuff
>they think they're not getting enough money for the quality work they're doing
>they strike
>all their quality works are left to burn to the ground and are quickly forgotten
>strike ends with writers gaining essentially nothing

>ten years later
>writers produce nothing but absolute dog shit
>they strike again

...

>>81340075
Yeah yeah yeah everyone's taste in tv in shitty but yours. That makes a million days in a row we have to be snarky pieces of shit for no reason.

>>81339925
Same reason there are any unions, protect worker rights. When the WGA was formed it was helpful and essentially necessary. Problem now is worker protection laws are written into law in most states (especially California and New York) and are no longer a part of the negotiation process as companies are now forced legally to abide by them.

These days, unless you live in a Right-to-Work state, you don't need a union and it's just a ponzi scheme.

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Oh no, what would we do without (((writers)))?

>>81338049
Writers are the ones always get fucked by Hollywood jews. They are right to do this

>>81340129
>>all their quality works are left to burn to the ground and are quickly forgotten
>this is somehow a negative for the people who created said works

I wouldn't give a fuck if my show failed due to my absence. It's precisely the point I'd be trying to make, you dumb dumb.

>>81339894
All TV nowadays sucks anyway.

>>81338354
They want to keep pension levels the same, a new payscale for shorter TV seasons, and residuals from streaming.

>>81338049
>Fargo is already finished

thank god

>>81340156
>protect worker rights.
lol unions never did that and only cause unemployment

>Right-to-Work state
All states should be right to work states.
Everyone should have the right to work if they so please.

>>81338517
The Office was still incredible and late night shows got better

I don't see the problem. Shit will stay shit and the creative people will get to shine just like last time.

>>81340187
I had read their healthcare pension (at the current rate of depreciation) will run dry in 3 years. I assume they're asking for more there too.

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Will we finally get a continuation of the best thing to come out of the last strike?

>>81340170
Producers, directors and actors are jews.
Writers that do most of the work are white

>>81340153
sorry didn't realize we had such big fans of Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles and One Tree Hill here

honestly i don't think i even watched TV in that time period aside from stuff like colbert and letterman, mostly just played WoW

WALKING DEAD AND SPIN OFF
GAME OF THRONES
LAST MAN ON EARTH

PLEASE GET THE AXE
PLEASE

>ten years of reboots and remakes

They deserve to go bankrupt.

>>81340105
my grandfather worked for a coal mine 16 hours a day for 60 years, starting when he was 8, and was only able to retire because of social security, and technically still owed the coal company money when he died, because he wasn't paid in actual currency, he was paid in scrip, scrip was only good at the company store. He was never paid enough scrip to actually fill his or his family's basic needs, so he had to borrow scrip against future earnings to have enough to feed his family on a month to month basis.

If not for labor laws prompted by union action, you would be working the exact same way.

>>81338049
oh god does this mean we have to suffer with canadian television programming?

>>81340175
>it's that one guy who says "dumb dumb"
ugh could you just tripfag up so you're easier to filter?

the point being is the original stirke destroyed a lot of good stuff and even with that leverage the writers came out worse than before. Now they have even less leverage.

>>81340105
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haymarket_affair
>gets strongarmed into implementing shit
>pretends that they give it out of the goodness of their heart years later

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>>81340307
say buh-bye to samauri jack and rick & morty, say hello to johnny test and THIS fucking thing

>>81340350
why don't you just filter out the phrase "dumb dumb?"

you stupid faggot

>>81340307
Any foreign programming worth getting to tide people over?

A strike would also be a good time to have some kind of marathon on smaller networks.

We should go one-further than the writers. Plant nukes along the San Andreas Fault, detonate them and send that entire fucking shitcunthole known as Commiefornia, into the fucking Pacific Ocean.

That'd be a start.

>>81338049
>Does this mean /tv/ will die?
No but /got/ threads will.

>>81340301
>my grandfather worked for a coal mine 16 hours a day for 60 years, starting when he was 8
Okay?
The economy wasn't nearly as economically productive as it was today so people have to work harder for less money.
Common sense.

>because he wasn't paid in actual currency, he was paid in scrip, scrip was only good at the company store
Wait, you're actually telling me your grandfather was actually STUPID enough to work for a company town?

also company towns mostly went away 100 years ago. They were an 1800s thing.
Your grandfather must have been REALLY old then.

Also they have things similar to company towns in today's economy. They're called oil camps in Alberta and they pay for all of your food and accommodations and pay extremely high wages.

Guess what? Very low union rates.

>If not for labor laws prompted by union action, you would be working the exact same way.
Wrong. Working hours were decreasing, safety was increasing and wages were increasing, long before the government stepped in.

>>81340385
last time you pretended to not be the only person saying that. Nice to see you growing up a little.

>>81338049
Remember Heroes on the writer strike?

>>81340350
kek, I have no idea who you're talking about but I'll keep using dumb dumb to fish you out from time to time.

>>81340423
that was my first post in this thread

>>81338079
Well if thats true, then count me off.

>>81340381
I think Samurai Jack is already finished production. Rick and Morty will be shelved longer.

>>81338049
They won't do it. No one in the industry wants the industry to shut down, and what they're asking for is somewhat reasonable.

>>81338049
But what will become of all the capeshit

>>81340366
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haymarket_affair
What does this have to do with anything?

Working hours were decreasing anyway. Even if this incident didn't happen, hours still decreased. See the graph I posted.

>goodness of their heart years later
It has nothing to do with altruism. The market forced them to do this.

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>>81340394
ooooh actually maybe we'll see the translators step it up because of this

>>81340429
i don't remember heroes ever being good honestly

game of thrones is in a writer strike since season 5

>>81340418
>company towns mostly went away 100 years ago

they existed up till they were outlawed in the 50s. They attracted people by promising fair wages for fair work, then people had no means of leaving once they got there.

I mean its really cool to be wholly ignorant of labor history, but if you are, could you just not post? That'd be really cool.

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Oh hell not this shit again...

>>81340454
>Marvel will keep chugging along because it's all studio heads anyway
>WB/DC won't start production on anything until strike is resolved
>Fox will wait it out as well

If it does happen, all the plans won't change.

>>81340199
>unions never did that

Tell that to truckers before Hoffa formed the Teamsters who were getting no benefits and driving cross country 16+ hours at a time. They did a lot back then for workers who deserved more. Its just hard to see/remember these days because now unions are a shadow of their former righteousness.

>every state should be a right to work state, everyone should be able to work if they want

That's not what Right-to-Work is. I worked HVAC when I was a teenager in Phoenix (AZ is Right to Work). I was working for a private company and a friend wanted to make a career out of it and went union with Johnson Controls. I worked 14 hour days, had no time off, no benefits except a shitty 401k, and made about 75% of what he did.

Right-to-Work is good, yes, because as you said you should be able to choose. But that's also where unions shine because they're doing what they were intended to do, help the worker. If I'm illegal, unqualified, need a job now, etc then I can go work at that shitty company. If I want something more career oriented and permanent, I can go union.

>>81338354
Writers are generally the redheaded step children of television and film.
How many screen writers can you name off the top of your head that aren't Max Landis, damon lindeloff, or orsi and kurtzman?

>>81340529
>someone actually had a writing credit on MoS, BvS, and SS

... something tells me a writer's strike isn't going to have much effect on the amount of work this person is doing.

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>>81340460
An event in the American labor movement that kickstarted the fight for lower working hours. Showing a table of decreasing work hours to extol the virtue of capitalism ignores the history and achievements of the labor movement

>>81340597
reminder that people are literally being paid to revise history to suit corporate interests.

>>81338714
yeah, wouldn't think so looking at the last decade of "writing quality" in our media.

>>81340503
>they existed up till they were outlawed in the 50s.
They existed in a very limited form. Most of them went away as economic production increased so that people had much better options elsewhere.

They shouldn't have even been outlawed. Nobody would have been dumb enough to work for them.

>They attracted people by promising fair wages for fair work
So they paid people high wages? Wow, how horrible.

>then people had no means of leaving
This is honestly fucking hilarious. You people actually think people wouldn't just walk away. People have traveled long distances to escape places like north korea and the USSR. Clearly SOMETHING was enticing them to stay there.

>I mean its really cool to be wholly ignorant of labor history
I literally posted graphs and facts and you simply ignored them.
Want to accept the fact that the market lowered working hours long before the government stepped in or are you going to continue to make a fool out of yourself?

You people are so ignorant of economics, it's hilarious.

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>>81338152
oh no what a great miss!

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>The strike did not affect scripted professional wrestling, as both World Wrestling Entertainment and Total Nonstop Action Wrestling had in-house ununionized writers.

this strike can last forever if it means we get rasslin on NBC again

>>81340645
Your narrative of the invisible hand righting all wrongs and correcting all exploitation is utterly laughable and dangerous.

>>81340645
>I literally posted graphs and facts and you simply ignored them.
>/pol/ thinks posting graphs and pointing in their direction is an argument

lmao

>>81338049
what stops tv companies from hiring IMMIGRANT writers or order scripts from outside the us? especially if you consider the media is the biggest defender of immigration and shit

>>81338049

I remember the 2008 strike, lead to some of the worst material I've ever seen being released like Transformers 2 or Heroes season 2.

>>81340560
>Hoffa formed the Teamsters
Glad Hoffa got killed.

>who were getting no benefits and driving cross country 16+ hours at a time
Fuck "benefits". They just come out of your wages anyway. It's better if you get higher wages and buy your "benefits" in the private sector instead.

>I worked 14 hour days, had no time off
Why would you agree to that?
It's your own damn fault.

I'm from Alberta and we have low unionism rates and our wages are the highest in the country, even WITH the recession we're in.
Explain that.

>If I want something more career oriented and permanent, I can go union.
Maybe you should go to school instead.

>>81340645
You know why exploitative labor practices became uneconomical? Because people unionized and striked.

Go watch Harlan County, USA

>>81339941
That's what they have been doing since S2

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>>81340623
Would not be surprised. Most people didn't know that Women's Day were created by socialists, that their 'liberal' heroes are actually socialists like Helen Keller and MLK

>>81340585
chuck lorre

probably larry david

>>81340520
Daffy Duck, you little psychopath.

>>81340759
negro I'm talking about corporate oligarchy not socialism. Socialism is not in the corporate interest as it empowers government to dictate business practices to corporate entities.

>>81340674
>Monday Night War 2 in a three way between WWE, WOS and ROH/NJPW USA

Yes please.

>>81338663
Are you talking about Tom and Jerry Tales?
That was doomed to be garbage anyways.

>>81340834
can we send dean ambrose back to CZW

>>81340811
>Socialism is big gov doing big gov things
wew lad. Workers owning the means of production senpai

>>81340597
>An event in the American labor movement that kickstarted the fight for lower working hours
Kek this is hilarious.
Your little movement did nothing.

Not only were working hours decreasing LONG BEFORE THIS INCIDENT. But this incident didn't force companies to lower their working hours. Higher productivity did.

Workers voluntarily decide to work for companies that offer lower working hours. As economic production increased living standards for the working class, high working hours were NOT NECESSARY so people went to jobs that had less hours and employers offered lower working hours as an incentive for people to work there.

>>81340623
>reminder that people are literally being paid to revise history to suit corporate interests.
Why do you leftists try to revise actual history when it doesn't suit your delusional history?

>>81340863
Yes.

>>81340710
>anyone who disagrees with my delusions is /pol/
You're literally getting angry at actual history and economics textbooks now.
You've lost.

>>81340676
So you have no argument?
Yes. You guys "fought" for working hours and it didn't come from increases in productivity. Makes perfect sense.

>>81340756
>You know why exploitative labor practices became uneconomical?
Because

>Because people unionized and striked.
Top kek unions were a small portion
Here's a great question. Why doesn't IBM pay their engineers 1 dollar a year?
Also how about this? Worker unions are a small portion of the economy now. Much smaller than they used to be.
Why don't non-union companies in manufacturing or construction pay their workers minimum wage?
Think about it, you delusional child.

>>81340645
Your interpretation of the information is backwards. Unionization and protest of exploitative labor practices forced employing entities to spend more money on labor thus putting more money into the economy and that is what strengthened the economy. Left to their own devices said entities would have spent as little as possible and kept every dime for themselves and spent only on their needs ot increase revenue, keeping a tight stranglehold on their extremely limited economy.

So the correct interpretation of your data, and any economic situation really, is more money in the economy means stronger economy. Period.

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>>81340889
>Why do you leftists try to revise actual history when it doesn't suit your delusional history?

>>81340585
That dude who did ALF while on heroin.

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>>81340876
>Workers owning the means of production senpai
All socialists need to be thrown out of helicopters desu

>>81340876
that can only be maintained by government.

>>81340733
>Explain that.
It is controlled by NDP? Isn't that a leftist party?

>>81340889
>Your real events didn't matter! My handwaving theory did
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_labor_issues_and_events#1900.E2.80.9399
Yea okay show some event that proves it then?

>>81340983
>You've lost.
I'm not even the same guy, /pol/. You're getting pretty desperate there, though.

>>81340733
>Glad Hoffa got killed.
Yeah, he was murdered by Frank "The Irishman" Sheeran.

Scorsese is planning to release a biopic about the "The Irishman" in 2018 for Netflix.

>>81340733
>They come out of your wages anyways

Which is why you negotiate for both benefits and a similar/higher wage..?

>why would you agree to that?

Because I was a teenager with no experience and it was great money at the time considering that. I could have quit if I wanted, no one forced me and I'm not implying anyone did. Point is there's options, freedom to choose.


>explain that

Worker protection laws have long since been legislated federally across Canada, likely before we even did knowing your country. 'Unionism' is low and wages are high because you don't need a union, there wasn't one already in place for years to coerce you into joining (ala being a writer outside the writers guild). Wages are explained by supply/demand, as always.

>maybe you should go to school instead

I did, graduated summa-cum-laude with a BSE in Computer Science a couple years ago. Arizona is literally nothing like Alberta or Canada in regards to market legislation. Learn what you're talking about.

>>81340983
>Why don't non-union companies in manufacturing or construction pay their workers minimum wage?

the vast majority of non-union manufacturing and construction work, at least in places where minimum wage exists, pays minimum wage. Wages that are considered more expensive than shipping finished products halfway across the world from third world countries where people can be paid pennies a day.

So what the fuck are you even talking about?

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>>81341012
>ancap loving a dictator
>Gets mad when he is told the real definition of socialism
Not surprised

>>81341021
Not necessary. Co-ops and syndicates are ways to do it without the State

>>81340991
Nice picture of Orwell.
Unfortunately, it's not an argument.

>>81340985
>Unionization and protest of exploitative labor practices forced employing entities to spend more money on labor
Unions were always a small portion of the economy.
Companies spent more money on labour anyway due to increases in economic production and thus labour market competition.

>thus putting more money into the economy
Why are you spewing debunked keynesian fallacies?
You honestly think putting money in the economy magically creates economic growth? Tell that to Zimbabwe.

>Left to their own devices said entities would have spent as little as possible and kept every dime for themselves
The most hilarious thing is you actually think this matters.
The working class already consumes 99% of all consumer goods anyway.
If every single capitalist lowered wages by 10 dollars. Everyone would have the same exact living standards because prices would have to lower to justify this reduction in spending.

>>81341105
>hes an invisible hand socialist

wanna go for a helicopter ride?

>>81341105
>>ancap loving a dictator
I'm not an ancap. I'm a helicopterist minarchist.

>>Gets mad when he is told the real definition of socialism
Not even socialists know the real definitions of socialism.
Worker's control of the means of production can mean anything.
It doesn't matter anyway. You people are a delusional religion and extremely confused. Taking over the means of production will not benefit you whatsoever. The working class already consumes what they produce. They literally consume 99% of all consumer goods.

>Co-ops and syndicates
heh

>>81341105
Don't even bother. Its /tv/. /pol/ doesn't even understand the concept of mutualism/syndicalism, you're not going to get a bunch of bigguy4u memesters to understand.

>>81338165
>what could have been a great second season of Heroes turned to shit because of the strike
>Heroes never recovered

>>81341108
You're interpreting all data incorrectly and validating said positions via response. Which only reinforces your incorrect interpretations.

Right now you're basically saying supply and demand isn't real and there are no linkages between increase in supply (in this case, money) and increases in demand. Possibly because you don't understand basic concepts of currency.

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>>81341139
>wanna go for a helicopter ride?
They literally all deserve helicopter rides desu.

>>81341154
>/pol/ doesn't even understand the concept of mutualism/syndicalism
hahaha
nah we actually have debates about this all the time
Mutualism is retarded anyway but it makes much more sense than syndicalism(which is so fucking authoritarian I don't know where to begin).

Worker owned firms aren't as productive as capitalist firms. If they were they would be DOMINATING the market right now.
Also lets say every single firm was a worker owned firm, it's not like you guys will have any increases in your current living standards. The working class already consumes 99% of all consumer goods.

Someone commented once that with the 2007 strike, a large portion of experienced and talented writers left the industry, people who had been around for decades. As a result we have the current climate of cinema, which is probably the worst it has ever been.

I don't know how much truth there is in this, but it seems reasonable enough.

>>81341153
>I'm a helicopterist minarchist.
>wear post pic with ancap flag and slogans
Still doesn't justify loving a dictator

>Worker's control of the means of production can mean anything.
That the profits of one labour goes to the labourers? It is really that simple

>You people are a delusional religion and extremely confused. Taking over the means of production will not benefit you whatsoever. The working class already consumes what they produce. They literally consume 99% of all consumer goods.
Not an argument

>>81340423
Not that anon but you are for sure a dumbdumb

>>81341220
>is told he doesn't even understand the concept
>proceeds to smugly prove them right

Are you okay, /pol/?

>>81341208
>You're interpreting all data incorrectly and validating said positions via response. Which only reinforces your incorrect interpretations.
and you base this off absolutely nothing.
You didn't even read my post, and are now upset that it proved you wrong

>Right now you're basically saying supply and demand isn't real
What are you talking about. I'm saying it IS real. You people deny it.

>and there are no linkages between increase in supply (in this case, money) and increases in demand.
I never said that. Artificial increases in demand happen all the time. It's called central bank inflation. It doesn't help people. It only helps large corporations and special interest groups.

The entire world is currently in an inflationary demand driven bubble and everyone suffers.

>Possibly because you don't understand basic concepts of currency.
You're literally a socialist. Nuff said.

>>81341233

What was /tv/ like during the 07 strike? I remember shitting myself thinking Lost would get a bad deal or get cancelled but it turned out okay, same with The Wire but the strike definitely had an impact on the quality of the last season.

>>81341281
>I just got BTFO so I'll pretend I didn't
>I don't even HAVE to reply to his lengthy arguments
ahhhhhh commies when will they leard

>>81338049

>writers strike happens
>Conan becomes top tier again
>Colbert crashes and burns as he's unable to say Trump's name over and over again
>Jimmy just continues playing board games and shit
>Kimmel stops airing his show in "solidarity"
>nobody even cares about Carson or Seth

if it means conan gets to do his own thing and try to break a new ring spinning record i'm game.

>>81341220
Co-ops and syndicates are fairly new concepts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondragon_Corporation

>>81341321
>assuming I'm the same anon who's currently blowing you the fuck out

Trust me, plenty of people think you're stupid. No need to be paranoid about it.

>Writers strike happened in 07
>An end result is The Big Bang Theory

Fuck em all to death.

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>>81341243
>>wear post pic with ancap flag and slogans
Do you not know about the helicopter meme. It uses ancap as a logo even though it's not ancap.

>Still doesn't justify loving a dictator
Who voluntary gave up power?

>That the profits of one labour goes to the labourers?
Wow and their living standards won't increase whatsoever because the working class already consumes 99% of all consumer goods? Sounds great.
My point is that socialists interpret this in a variety of ways. Learn to read.

>Not an argument
Of course it's an argument. You just couldn't refute it.

>>81341287
Trying to say increased currency flow in an economy is not direct causation of the strengthening of said economy is a denial of supply and demand.

If you don't understand this, you're completely hopeless.

Also you keep acting like the economic value of unions is their only value, which is entirely fallacious as unions didn't need to be omnipresent in order to enact positive change and pass labor laws.

>>81341341
>Mondragon_Corporation
Even chomsky said it's not an ideal worker co-op.
Also I'm perfectly fine with things like this. I'm just saying they can't and won't dominate the market.

>>81341351
Why do you keep responding after showing everyone in this thread you have no refutation to anything I said?

>>81339109
Just out of curiosity this shouldn't effect british filming schedules? We still have british shows?

>>81341411
>Why do you keep responding after showing everyone in this thread you have no refutation to anything I said?

Why do you think I'm interested in entertaining a retard like yourself? I'm here to mock you.

>>81341411
most people who've seen your posts think you're too dumb to even bother talking to

The only response you're getting are from people concerned your idiocy might stand as fact in the minds of those dumber than you.

>>81341390
>Trying to say increased currency flow in an economy is not direct causation of the strengthening of said economy is a denial of supply and demand.
No it's not.
If you increase currency it will only increase inflation. The demand for goods will increase so the supply will go down.
Are you a child?
How exactly does increasing inflation "strengthen" the economy?

>If you don't understand this, you're completely hopeless.
You're literally just using ad-hominem attacks with absolutely no substance.

>>81341472
>If you increase currency it will only increase inflation

Yep, you're stupid.

Not talking about printing money here dude.

>>81338157
This. My cousin is a Jr. agent right now at a big agency and they fired 1/4 of staff during the last strike. The entire industry really came to halt last time.

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>>81341378
>Do you not know about the helicopter meme. It uses ancap as a logo even though it's not ancap.
Still pretty stupid

>Who voluntary gave up power?
After many years of tyranny? That suddenly makes everything okay?

>My point is that socialists interpret this in a variety of ways
Sure that is why they are many strands of socialism, but the main tenet is literally 'owning the means of production'

>Of course it's an argument. You just couldn't refute it.
We were talking about what is socialism, not the validity of it. Suddenly shifting the goalpost is rude and confuses the conversation. I am okay with talking about the latter bur I want you to admit the former is done.

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>>81341455
>>81341461
>get utterly BTFO
>I-I'm here to mock you

Literally the height of socialist """""""""""""""""""""argument"""""""""""""""""""""".

>>81341507
>inflation is only printing money
lmao holy shit

If every single capitalist gave all of their wealth to the working class TODAY it will create a large amount of inflation and nobody would be better off.
Inflation isn't just from central banking you dumb fuck.

>>81341549
>hes still talking about inflation
>he thinks this is an argument relevant to anything at all

You just need to stop posting forever.

>>81341516
>Still pretty stupid
Yet it works really well to trigger socialist manchildren.

>After many years of tyranny?
Killing socialists and freeing the economy from a socialist tyrant that reduced everyone's living standards isn't tyranny.

>Sure that is why they are many strands of socialism
That's my point idiot.

>We were talking about what is socialism, not the validity of it.
We were actually talking about both things.

>>81341411
>Even chomsky said it's not an ideal worker co-op.
>letting perfect be the enemy of good
That is only one example
>https://www.uk.coop/resources/what-do-we-really-know-about-worker-co-operatives

I may be one of the few in this thread who gives a shit about the writer's guild but honestly what show has good enough writing these days to warrant a pay increase? Unions were a mistake

>>81341517
>anyone who calls me an idiot is my opposition and by calling me an idiot I am victorious

see >>81341208

>>81340075
>apparently we lost an episode of King of the Hill, not really seeing any other notable interruptions though

The writers strike screwed up the end of season 1 of breaking bad. That's why it just kind of ended like it did with the tuco storyline being wrapped up at the beginning of season 2.

>>81341666
and it also gave us AMC's mid-season finale format.

>>81341517
>pl-please argue with me! ;_;

>>81341609
Holy fuck you people can never refute anything we say, you just have gay red dit tier snarky comments with no substance.

Respond to what I said you gigantic moron.
Do you even know the definition of inflation?

Do you honestly not think if every capitalist gave all of their money to workers and the workers tried it spend it, it wouldn't massively increase prices?

>>81341623
I know there's a few of them and I'm totally okay with them existing.
My point is that they aren't as productive as capitalist firms, if they were they would dominate the market.

>>81341654
I already refuted this.
Respond to my points using logic or/and data. If you can't then just close the tab.

>>81340199
Unions had their time and place.

At least in my area, they're just scams and don't do jackshit besides try to get money out of people. Had one coworker get harassed by some union guy for about a week because he wouldn't sign up with them, eventually slashing his tires(and earning the union a fancy lawsuit for their troubles, because the dumbass apparently didn't think security cameras existed)

>>81340437
>I'll keep using dumb dumb to fish you out

Naw bro, I'm quite fond of noodle head which /asp/ has been using.

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>>81341692
>I-I don't even have to have an argument
LMAO

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>>81341613
>it is not tryanny if it against the people I hate
Wow what a manchild

>That's my point idiot.
And my point is that they are united by that one tenet. Really the door to socialism is ownership of the means of production. There are equally as many strands of capitalism like ancap, neoliberalism and welfare captialism, so I don't know why you are so triggered that socialism has its own variety

>We were actually talking about both things.
Nope I am not entertaining your effort to shift the goalposts of this conversation

>>81341642
same goes for movies

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>>81341712
>My point is that they aren't as productive as capitalist firms, if they were they would dominate the market.
Did you even open the link, they are more productive dipshit.
> if they were they would dominate the market.
We are coming bucko!

>>81341735
>waaah pwease argue with me, it's all i know!!

Nice meme pictures, by the way. Post Trump so I can mock the healthcare cucking.

So, Conan will finally be good again?

>>81341738
>image
Are socialists too stupid to even understand what synonyms are?
"The freer the people"
Meaning free as in freedom.
"Nothing is free."
As in prices/costs.
How embarrassing for you.

>>it is not tryanny if it against the people I hate
It's not tyranny because socialists aren't people.

>Really the door to socialism is ownership of the means of production.
No shit. I know the definition you people use.

>so I don't know why you are so triggered that socialism has its own variety
Where am I complaining about this?

>Nope I am not entertaining your effort to shift the goalposts of this conversation
I already destroyed you on one point. Do you want me to ruin you on others?

>>81341712
>respond to my illogical points using logic/data which I won't be able to correctly interpret as I haven't interpreted my own data correctly as proven by the fact I haven't interpreted any logic/data correctly

...

>>81341827
>Are socialists too stupid to even understand what synonyms are?
>he can't even tell he's being trolled back

>>81341799
>image
lol leftypol you're so embarrassing
All your memes are:
>bawwww they gotz more money than me

>they are more productive dipshit.
Then why don't they dominate the market?
This should be hilarious. I'll wait.

>We are coming bucko!
lmao no you're not. You're just like fundie christians that think the rapture is coming any day now.
Your ideology is literally a joke and makes absolutely no sense.

>>81338440
You're a forgetful guy.

>>81338517
Yeah I remember how it ruined a lot of shows at the time. Hopefully this isn't as bad.

>>81341880
response is response thus validation is validation

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>>81341827
It is a meme designed to trigger ancaps :^)

>It's not tyranny because socialists aren't people.

>Where am I complaining about this?

>>81341153
>Not even socialists know the real definitions of socialism.
>Worker's control of the means of production can mean anything.
>It doesn't matter anyway.

>I already destroyed you on one point.
On what point? That socialism is not about worker's ownership of production? Yea you sure got me there huh

>>81341884
Seeing you triggered by the image proves its usefulness

>Then why don't they dominate the market?
>This should be hilarious. I'll wait.
Coz co-ops are a relatively new concept of how firms should function so of coz they don't dominate. Mondragon is barely 50 years old and it is one of the biggest firms in Spain

>lmao no you're not. You're just like fundie christians that think the rapture is coming any day now.
>Your ideology is literally a joke and makes absolutely no sense.
Not an argument

>>81341800
>he's actually still posting after getting this btfo

also:
>implying I support trump
come on now

>>81341850
>which I won't be able to correctly interpret
Hey 12 year old, here's the part where you're supposed to accurately tell me where my errors in logic are instead of just claiming I have errors in judgement.
Go on, I'll wait.

>>81341880
>he thinks it's a troll image
nah lol socialists are actually this stupid

>>81341921
>It is a meme
nah, lol leftists are actually this dumb

>>It's not tyranny because socialists aren't people.
They aren't.

>That socialism is not about worker's ownership of production?
We agree on that.

>>81342007
>Seeing you triggered by the image proves its usefulness
>I was legitimately only pretending to be retarded
Nah lol you people are actually that brain damaged.

>Coz co-ops are a relatively new concept
They've literally been around for over 100 years.
LOL

>so of coz they don't dominate
New ideas, products, manufacturing processes etc get implemented extremely quickly once they are discovered.

Why haven't worker co-ops dominated the market if they're so much more productive?
LOL

>Not an argument
It is though.
Are you one of those true believers that thinks capitalism will "collapse"?
LOL

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>>81341799
>le ebul wall street man exploits me
Want to know how I know you're underage?

>>81342039
You were told your errors in logic but you didn't understand them.

>>81342039
You talk like an antifa, fucking numale faggot.

>>81342175
>he still has no argument
It's like you're on the edge of a cliff right now desperately trying to hang on for dear life.

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>>81342039
>nah, lol leftists are actually this dumb
As dumb as ancaps sucking a dictator's dick then :^)

>They aren't.
>tfw your ideology is so pure than you genuinely feel 'us' can do wrong and 'they' can do no right

>We agree on that.
Your tunnel vision to sound witty is unfortunately not an argument

>>81342039
>nah lol socialists are actually this stupid
>DUURR ACTUALLY FREE DOESN'T MEAN FREE XD

You got baited hard.

>>81342223
>As dumb as ancaps sucking a dictator's dick then :^)
Hmm, a dictator that takes over the country and.... *gasp* leaves you alone.
How horrible.

>>tfw your ideology is so pure than you genuinely feel 'us' can do wrong and 'they' can do no right
Prove to me that communists are people. I'll wait.

>not an argument
You never had one, lad.

>>81342237
>I was STILL only pretending to be retarded
If this was made from our side as a hilarious strawman comic it would make sense. It would even make sense if /pol/ did one against libtards or whatever.
But from what I've seen from marxists/socialists and their "memes", it's safe to assume they didn't know the definitions of words when they made this.

>>81342119
>pretending your memes are ironic and others are not
that is just wildly hypocritical

>They've literally been around for over 100 years.
100 years is a short period of time. There are corporations older than the existence of co-ops

>Why haven't worker co-ops dominated the market if they're so much more productive?
Again they are new so people don't know much about it

>It is though.
Petty insults and appeal to ridicule are not arguments senpai

>Are you one of those true believers that thinks capitalism will "collapse"?
Not an argument senpai

>>81338957
>if they don't produce top quality results then they're better suited to an office or factory job.
The writers aren't the problem, kiddo.

https://twitter.com/tvnetworknotes

>>81341418

This is only relevant for TV produced in America.

>>81342366
>>pretending your memes are ironic and others are not
It's actually true though.

>100 years is a short period of time
AHAHAHAHA
No it's not.
What the legitimate fuck.
The world has changed dramatically in the past 100 years and countless new firms have formed.
You honestly think firms like this wouldn't have dominated the market by now?

>Again they are new
AHAHAHAHA
Meanwhile new production practices get implemented within WEEKS time all around the fucking world.
You know why? Because if firms didn't implement these things, their competitors will destroy them in the market.

If worker co-ops were more productive, their prices would be lower and they would have the vast majority of marketshare.

>100 years isn't a long time
I can't stop laughing.

>Not an argument
So you are one of those people or not?
I'm curious. I need to laugh harder.

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>>81342274
>Hmm, a dictator that takes over the country and.... *gasp* leaves you alone.
Are we somehow pretending that helicopter rides didn't exist?

>Prove to me that communists are people. I'll wait.
Not an argument

>You never had one, lad.
I did, I wanted to prove that socialism meant worker's ownership of the means of production and seeing how you conceded the point some posts I fulfilled that argument.

You are somewhat right though that there is no more argument left, so have a final (You)

>>81338049
haha if only we could get these jews to stop writing forever television may actually become watchable again

also
>implying they should be paid literally anything for the trash they put out

>>81342509
>image
>massive decreases in world poverty over the past 50 years is a MONSTER
lmao

>Are we somehow pretending that helicopter rides didn't exist?
When I said leaves you alone I mean leaves the people alone.
Also killing like 3000 communists during a CIVIL WAR where the communists were trying to set up a dictatorship is really not a big deal.

>and seeing how you conceded the point
I already agreed with that. I'm just saying it doesn't work at all.

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>>81342366
The only argument is the final argument.

Helicopters for you desu.

>>81342211
You failed to respond to counter-arguments in a manner that indicated you had the barest understanding of even your own arguments.

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>>81342606
>he's actually still posting after such an amazing beatdown
>he STILL can't refute anything I said and can only go "y-you're wrong"

>>81340585
Dan O'Bannon, who was too good for this sinful earth.

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So what shows would you guys say got hit the hardest by the last strike?

>>81342488
>It's actually true though.
Insisting on your projections on others are true doesn't make more true senpai

>No it's not.
>The world has changed dramatically in the past 100 years and countless new firms have formed.
Yes and?

>You honestly think firms like this wouldn't have dominated the market by now?
Again they are not well-known or wide spread coz being new. And they are rising in numbers.

>Because if firms didn't implement these things, their competitors will destroy them in the market.
And co-op require a complete change in thinking and transition from ownership from capitalists to the workers. As much as capitalists want their companies to remain in the market, they absolutely won't transit to a coop even if it is more productive.(which it is) Coz that they will mean they will lose ownership of the firm or *grasp* have to work in the company to obtain ownership

>So you are one of those people or not?
It doesn't matter in the argument. Laughing and appealing to ridicule makes you seem less open to debating and conversing in an intellectually honest manner or more just preaching your worldview like a zealot

>>81342640
>fail to display any understanding
>declare yourself successful

>>81342640
We're too busy watching the communist troll make you grit your teeth in anger.

>>81342747
>continues to post after failing to refute this post:
>>81341220

Keep digging that hole.

>>81338517
There is no good shows anymore to ruin.

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>>81342765
>y-you're mad not m-me

Oh dear....

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>>81340876
>>81341105
>The 200 actual members of /leftypol/, supposedly hardcore Marxists one and all, determined to seize the means of production and send anyone who marginally disagrees with them to the gulag, have nothing better to do with their lives than annoy the everyday posters on 4chan's /tv/ board for 16 hours a day

Really activates the almonds.

>>81342776
>only one person thinks I'm an idiot

I'm the guy whom you went full non-sequitur and started trying to talk about inflation with

>go on strike when the season is starting to wrap up

makes a LOT of sense

>>81342809
>>81342824
>anime avatarfagging

Spamming Trump wouldn't make you look so desperate, to be honest.

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>>81342934
Why not both? :^)

>>81342824
>alt-right /tv/posters get mad about anything and complains about on /tv/
>gets upset when a socialist corrects them

>>81342718
Socialist memes are usually devoid of irony. I wouldn't be surprised if they were serious.
Just going by experience desu.

>Yes and?
What do you mean yes and? lol is 100 years not enough time for the supposedly far superior worker owned firm to dominate the market.
If it was so much better they would have been able to lower prices by increasing production. Everyone would buy their products.
If what you are saying is true(it's not) there would be a MASSIVE profit opportunity just waiting there for anyone with a bit of savings to take. I mean you would be able to destroy nearly every capitalist firm out there.
Really makes you think.

>And they are rising in numbers.
No they're not lol. A small increase in them isn't an argument at all. They've existed for over 100 years and this is all they can accomplish? LOL

>And co-op require a complete change in thinking
No they don't. It's fucking EASY to do this.
There are already worker owned firms out there.
Why the fuck don't they dominate the market ALREADY? LOL
You honestly don't understand this?

>As much as capitalists want their companies to remain in the market, they absolutely won't transit to a coop even if it is more productive.
LOL This doesn't even matter.
First off, if what you're saying if right, anyone could start a co-op and compete with these large capitalist firms and take their marketshare EASILY.

>Laughing and appealing to ridicule
Because what you are saying is nonsensical and is very laughable.

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>>81342934
>less than one minute apart
>samefag
nope
why do leftists hate anime so much?

>>81342863
Ohhhh, you're the guy who gave up when we actually started to talk about economics and couldn't defend your viewpoint.

Maybe next time you should learn the definition of inflation before you try to debate with me next time.
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/i/inflation.asp

>b-buh it's not from central banks so it's not inflation
Wow leftists are stupid.

why did a writer's strike thread go full /pol/? The situation is laughable enough without trying to revise labor history to suit corporate agenda

example

>the writers of suicide squad, batman v superman, and man of steel thinks they aren't being paid enough

>>81343038
>why do leftists hate anime so much?
because they think anime is bourgeois or something
I dunno.

Japan is also pretty right wing, which they hate.

>>81343038
I honestly don't know why conservacucks brag about liking anime so much. And it's always the shittiest anime too.

>>81343086
Inflation is absolutely irrelevant here and if you don't know it you're absolutely beyond hope. So, at absolute best, you're just pulling a non-sequitur to avoid arguments you can't actually counter, because your entire position is faulty, and you know it, or you're hopelessly retarded. And right now, you're trying desperately to prove the latter.

>>81338517
But we got Doctor horrible sing-along blog !

>>81343105
>without trying to revise labor history to suit corporate agenda
the only ones revising labor history are the socialists

>>81343156
anime is always about individuals being so amazing the entire world has to adapt to them, instead of the other way around.

>>81342954
>/leftypol/ raiders who aren't even denying it any more invade every thread they see to sperg out about their retarded beliefs
>Samefag to appear more numerous
>Hurr there's totally Commie scum who were here already durr

Take your amygdala damage somewhere else.

>>81343159
>Inflation is absolutely irrelevant here
Oh, I see you've decided to actually ARGUE now. After like 10 posts of whining.

>So, at absolute best, you're just pulling a non-sequitur to avoid arguments you can't actually counter, because your entire position is faulty, and you know it, or you're hopelessly retarded. And right now, you're trying desperately to prove the latter.

Ohhhh, wait I spoke too soon.
Ehhhh.... Oh well maybe next time you'll actually have an argument instead of going "u-ur wrong"

>>81342954
>socialist
>correcting anybody about anything
See this thread and basically every thread on /pol/ when leftypol tries to argue.
Socialism is a religion.

>>81343192
>>/leftypol/ raiders
>/pol/ accusing anyone of raiding boards

Who can forget the beautiful reddit-/pol/ plan to one star Schumer's special? If anyone knows about having outside friends, it's good ol' /pol/.

>>81343273
>actually being UPSET that people were one-staring Schumer
Honestly what the fuck are you even doing on this website?

>>81343006
>Just going by experience desu.
Oh so your projection is supported by anecdotal evidence? That is reassuring and reliable!

>lol is 100 years not enough time for the supposedly far superior worker owned firm to dominate the market.
Yes, such things are gradual in nature
>If it was so much better they would have been able to lower prices by increasing production. Everyone would buy their products.
They are competitive but there are not much of them
>Really makes you think.
It makes you think that co-ops can only be started by workers, who usually don't have much resources due to exploitation? Great!

>A small increase isn't rising in numbers
lel

>They've existed for over 100 years and this is all they can accomplish?
Things don't suddenly snap from existence to implementation

>Why the fuck don't they dominate the market ALREADY?
Again too many capitalist firms are ideologically opposed to switch to coops. Not many workers have enough resources to pool into making a coop

> and take their marketshare EASILY.
Such small coops don't take down corporate giants with powerful connections so quickly senpai

>Because what you are saying is nonsensical and is very laughable.
More appeals to ridicules. If you are not willing to entertain the existence of other ideas and ideologies then there is no more point in this conversation

>>81343273
As amazing as this might seem to you, normal people spontaneously downvoted that special because they finally woke up to the fact that fat cow isn't even slightly funny.

>>81339894
I have a pretty big backlog anyway, I wouldn't mind

>>81343205
Multiple core refutations to your every assertion were presented. You didn't understand any of them.

>>81343245
All i see is a /pol/fag struggling to grasp the American labor movement's history

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>MORE GOD-TIER CONAN WITH NO WRITERS EPISODES

THANK YOU SWEET JESUS!

>>81338517
Would be fun to see how low Arrow and Legends of Tomorrow can sink because it already feels as bad as something from the 2007 strike

>>81343291
>>81343310
>memeing and denying the fact that /pol/ and reddit are one and the same

I don't blame you, though. That shit is archived and everybody can look through the hundreds of morons confirming what the feminists have been parroting since the beginning.

>>81343416
>Hundreds of users equal tens of thousands of Netflix reviews

Jesus Christ, /leftypol/, get it together.

>>81343307
>Oh so your projection is supported by anecdotal evidence?
Of course it is.
Wow you actually expect there to be scientific studies on different political ideologies and their level of meme irony?
AAHAHAHAHAHA

>Yes, such things are gradual in nature
lol in the marketplace they literally happen overnight
As I said, new production practices get implemented within DAYS sometimes. Yet you cucks can't even do your shit in 100 fucking years.
How about 1000 years? Is that enough time? 10,000?

>They are competitive but there are not much of them
Lol then they're NOT competitive.
If a small co-op was able to provide lower prices than all competitors then they would grow to be gigantic megacorporation within a few months time. Almost everyone would buy their products.
Why the fuck does this not happen?
You really have nothing here.

>It makes you think that co-ops can only be started by workers
Yes and countless workers have a large pool of savings. Also it's not difficult to start a small firm that will eventually grow big.

>who usually don't have much resources due to exploitation
LMAO There are tons of workers that have massive amounts of savings. Also they can get LOANS from banks.
ALSO you retarded faggot. How do you think the vast majority of capitalist firms started in the first place? From WORKERS, who saved their money and/or got bank loans. Clearly they would be able to start one of these co-ops. Also if co-ops were so productive, someone who was deciding if he wanted to start a capitalist firm or a co-op would definitely choose the co-op because they would dominate the market. 80% of capitalist firms fail. Why not do the co-op?
Also most of the economy is small businesses anyway.

>exploitation
>muh surplus value

>lel
lmao you think a tiny increase means anything at all
ahahaha

>Things don't suddenly snap from existence to implementation
BUT THEY'VE ACCOMPLISHED NOTHING IN 100 YEARS?
AHAHAHAHAHA

>>81343457
>the number of people is what matters
>not the actual plan of one starring shit you've never seen

There's still the countless reddit threads, the other /pol/ threads and any lurkers that contributed to the stupid plan without posting.

See, being anonymous has its disadvantages. You get to belong to a shitty group of people and there's nothing you can do to deny it.

>>81338517
The writer's strike literally saved Breaking Bad. It wasn't doing well at all and they were going to kill off Jesse in the first season, but the strike made them change their minds and it became one of the most critically acclaimed shows of all time.

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>>81343307

>Again too many capitalist firms are ideologically opposed to switch to coops
It doesn't matter.
See my previous post, it's easy for workers to start their own small firms.
Also ideology doesn't matter. Many firms in the 50s used to not want to serve blacks. They would lose money if they didn't so they started to serve blacks.

>Such small coops don't take down corporate giants with powerful connections so quickly
But you said the only reason these firms didn't dominate is because they couldn't get started, not that they wouldn't dominate once getting started.
So now you're admitting that they AREN'T more productive than capitalist firms?
So you're agreeing with me?
lol

>If you are not willing to entertain the existence of other ideas and ideologies
I am, that's why I am debating with you.
I'm still laughing at how stupid it is though.

>>81338049
>China buys Hollywood
>Sends writers to writer gulag

>>81343522
>Fabricating a spook that somehow /pol/ and Reddit are responsible for the world hating Amy Schumer
>Arguing against anonymity on 4chan

Go ahead, keep posting. More of the users here need to be aware of 4+4 chan's /leftypol/ board, and what you get up to here and any other sites you haven't yet been rangebanned from.

>>81343337
>Multiple core refutations
Where?
This should be great.

Where?
Show them to me.
Quote them.

>>81343356
>get btfo by facts logic and historical graphs
>claim victory
oh leftists

What shows were ruined by the last strike.

>>81343636
>>Fabricating a spook
lmao, check the archives.

>>Arguing against anonymity on 4chan
I didn't argue against anything. I simply mentioned one of its disadvantages. It's not my fault you got triggered and stopped reading halfway through my post.

>>81343652
>i need posts-relinked so I can misunderstand them again

...

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Not gonna lie, former Trump voter here. This is fucking hilarious watching Trump crash and burn. But in all seriousness we can't let this guy get the nuclear codes.

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Unions are fucking CANCER on the economy.

You did absolutely nothing to increase living standards for the working class.

You're labor cartels and nothing more.

>>81343521
>Wow you actually expect there to be scientific studies on different political ideologies and their level of meme irony?
I expect you to not throw your projection as if there were fact

>new production practices get implemented within DAYS sometimes.
As I already said, Said production method requires capitalists to give up ownership of their companies which they don't want to do it

>then they would grow to be gigantic megacorporation within a few months time.
>countless workers have a large pool of savings.
Now this is fucking hilarious.

>How do you think the vast majority of capitalist firms started in the first place? From WORKERS
No they come from capitalists and maybe middle class. Working class don't have the capital and resources to even get a loan approved.

>Why not do the co-op?
People are doing the co-op, hence the rise of numbers and popularity.

>BUT THEY'VE ACCOMPLISHED NOTHING IN 100 YEARS?
Are you even listening to me? I have already shown you the success of Mondragon and the higher productivity of coops.

>>81343653
I liked journeyman.

._.

>>81343735
Ah, just what I thought.
You still have no argument after having your childish ideology demolished.

I bet you're going to keep posting in anger too. This should be good.

>>81343653
Almost everything. Sure, some shows like Breaking Bad >>81343539 were able to go back to the drawing board. But the strike happened during production and filming for current seasons. Reminder 2007 that, outside HBO and some ShowTime, the vast majority of TV was still on public networks with 20+ episode seasons. Heroes is a famous example of being impacted. Pushing Daisies another popular show killed. A show I liked, Jericho, got killed because of it.

Movies like Quantum of Solace, Transformers 2, Iron Man 1, amongst others, dealt with no writers during production.

>>81343539
breaking bad would've been better off without that crying faggot

>>81338517

They finished The Leftovers.

So it's all good...

>>81338642
Feels good TP is already wrapped up and concludes the mythology. Strike all you want SNL and news comedy writers.

>>81343652
>get BTFO by history lessons after history lessons
>b-but i won! I won!
Pfft, this is just pathetic

>>81343743
>Unions are fucking CANCER on the economy.

Oh americans

>>81343795
Or all the arguments I'm willing to post were already posted and completely misunderstood by someone clearly seeking nothing but attention.

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Here's hoping

>>81343395
Those shows are ending the season in the next 40 days, so production is wrapping up just as the strike starts. This isn't like last time when the strike started in the fall and affected literally everything and grinding production to a halt.

>>81343743
unions are the only reason there even is an economy