>hero the audience cheers for is literally a fascist

>>81305218
There is literally nothing wrong with fascism.

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>>81305218

Upset?

>>81305218
Well yeah. That's the fucking point. There's more humour and satire in the comics, but you should still be able to read this in the movie version.

>>81305243
>>81305259
>>>/mlp/

>>81305218
Violence is the highest form of authority, everything other form of authority is derived from it.

>>81305218
>Implying that there's anything wrong with this

12 years in the Iso-Cubes for you

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>>81305243
I don't understand why anyone would unironically support fascism

Do you not realize fascism is totalitarian and fucks over anyone who isn't part of the elite government?

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>>81305299

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>>81305327

The weak should fear the strong.

>>81305218
>>81305286
The universe of 2000AD is suppose to be a satire of a police state the same way Robocop is a satire of Anarcho-Capitalism.


Both are brutal deadpan killing machines, and yes somewhere in between the gratutious ultraviolence you're supposed to stop and chuckle at the ridiculousness of it all.

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>>81305327
Nice.

Dredd is too stupid to have philosophy. He's just a glorified pig, a brute.

>>81305327
>I don't understand why anyone would unironically support fascism

Because people who do read the propaganda of fascists and believe it because they are fucking idiots. Despite being ''super savvy'' on the lies of the main streem meteor, they seem to have a blind spot for an ideology which has imploded every single time it's been implemented and has had as much corruption as liberal democracy, if not more.

>>81305400
>Robocop is a satire of Anarcho-Capitalism
So, Jesus is killed and saved by AnCap?

>>81305218
turns out people really like fascism

Why did normies not watch Dredd '12?

I tried to convert, with decent success.

>>81305499
& yes it was too similar to Raid Redemption, but it was still good.

>>81305437
>I haven't read Kant
Stop taking your Social Feminist Marxist Interpretative Dance Activism classes. Stop hanging out with people who take those kinds of classes. Just fucking stop you nog.

>>81305499

>normies

Found your problem lad.

>>81305218
I don't think you understood the movie

>>81305499
Because the studio didn't back it, so it got zero support. Most of my friends didn't even know it was out until it was already gone.

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>movie made in 2015 Germany
>protagonist is literally Hitler
>he wins the affection and forgiveness of everybody around him and ends the film on his way to be re-elected as President of Germany
>the one guy who still hates him is depicted as kind of a crazy jerk
what in the world??

>>81305243
fpbp

>>81305469
The joke with Dredd is that the only way an emotionless agent an extreme police state can ever be the 'good guy', is if the criminals are as extreme and over the top as he and his government are.

So yes, Dredd gets to be the extreme protagonist fascists fighting extreme criminals on a regular basis. The punchline to this joke is that despite Dredd's ultraviolet crime-fighting, the day-to-day lives of most ordinary people are pretty fucking dismal and don't really improve in any meaningful way.
People joke about the 'edgy 90's extreme' trend in comics, but believe it or not, the trend originally had a thematic purpose.

>>81305576
Kant is pretty basic introductory philosophy, anon.

>>81305443
Sounds a lot like communism.

>>81305629
Didn't watch it, but isn't it some lefty sarcasm to say that wow dude le evil fascists people are still here and they would AGAIN elect hitler nowadays? like some ironic guilt flick?

>>81306201
To be fair, The Judges in Dredd aren't really textbook fascists.

There aren't big rallies or ethno-nationalism, or constant surveillance etc. It's more like a totalitarian police state with most of the population unemployed and living in government housing projects.

>>81306724

More like a Military Junta.

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>>81305218
>>81305243
America is basically this close to being a fascist state anyway. This is why we are so enamored with fascist media.

Man In The High Castle is probably the most boring television show made in the last 10 years, but people love it.

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>>81306609
Sure, but along the way they forget to actually vilify him.

In fact the most heavy-handed political moment is when he's beaten up by a pair of neo-Nazis who believe that he's an impersonator mocking Hitler, which leads to public outcry and new fans sending hundreds of cards and gifts to him.

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>>81305607
this

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>>81306791
>This is why we are so enamored with fascist media.


You bow to the fasces everyday silly boy

>>81306757
You're right, actually. Though in this case, it's one where there's not pretense of handing power back to any civilian government.


It's as if a military junta stuck around for a few centuries, and ossified into a real institutionalized part of the culture.

>>81306201
did you ever think that maybe communism and fascism arent mutually exclusive?

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>>81305375
IKR

>>81306791
> Man In The High Castle is probably the most boring television show made in the last 10 years
No, that would be Mad Men

>>81305607
first time i even heard of it was when i was renting movies at the videos store. i just saw it in the 2 for 5$ bin

>>81306201
oh wew maybe extremist ideologies are all shit and that's why everybody hates them, not because of some media conspiracy.

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>>81306893

>>81305243
I came here to post this

>>81306865
>fake tilt-shift editing
>fake +1.00 exposure spotlight on obama.
>people looking at him because he's literally giving a speech as an elected representative of the people.

I know you're going for parallels to the famous hitler photo but this is just trying way too fucking hard,

>>81305218
Fascism is literally more attractive than crony capitalism.

>>81306886

>Hitler lives
>have to live according to the ideals of one person

>Hitler dies
>get to live according to your own ideals

>>81306945
Crony capitalism is fascism.

>>81306942
Hey now it's kind of mean to compare Hitler with Obama.

That is mean to Hitler.

>>81306945
If I'm reading public opinion right, Canadian social democracy is more attractive than either,

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>>81306965
>receiving massive subsidies = jailing, killing people for disagreeing with the state

>>81306886

National Bolshevism & Strasserism made more sense

>>81305218
It started as Satire, but as time went on it morphed into more of a Police Procedural.

And 2000AD protagonists are never the nicest bunch, even the more likeable ones are either killing machines or loveable rouges.

>>81307013
Fascism has always included a tight relationship between the owner class and the government. The owners own their businesses and profit, and the government decides which businesses do and do not flourish. A fascist government does not regulate the economy, it directs the economy.

>>81306791

nice shit taste

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>>81307120
>controlling the economy = jailing, killing people for disagreeing with the state

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>>81307093

bananas are for monkeys and debts are for mmf controlled idiots

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>>81307124
The only reason to watch it is this man and you know it

The show is crap

>>81305327
>Do you not realize fascism is totalitarian and fucks over anyone who isn't part of the elite government?
How's that different to now where the 49.9% that don't get to vote their people in get fucked over by the 50.1% that did?

>>81305327

Recognition is not adoration.

>>81306886
Hoenecker ran Germany better than Merkel did il give them that.

>>81307341
The state using violent methods to coerce behavior is a bad thing, because it abbrogates basic human right to dispose of one's own body as one wishes.

this alone makes fascism an invalid government in accordance with rational thought

>>81307550
>this alone makes fascism an invalid government, in accordance with rational thought

lol commas

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What the fuck I love the IL DUCE now

>>81306033
This isn't even true. There is literally a guy who does nothing but wear a suit and a hat called Max Normal. He's considered an odd ball for being functional.

Read some of Dredd's early stuff. It's really not that far off of how we live now.

>>81305629
>Dr. Merkel
>IM KINO

>>81306841
I dig the casting for Hitler, looks pretty solid.

Is this flick kino?

>>81306870
>>81306757
Truth.

>>81307550
The police use violence and kidnapping to enforce the law. As such your argument is that any government with laws that enforces them is invalid. Your rational argument fails right there.

>>81305327
And democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.

Totalitarianism is an inevitability. It is human nature for power in human societies to collect upwards to the select few. You see it in democracy, you see it in communism, you see it in monarchy, you see it in anarchy, this truth is universal throughout all types of governments. For better or worse, the elite will always rule the many. That's not necessarily a good or bad thing, it's just reality.

Therefore, why do we try to deny human nature? Why do we try to change the natural order of our species? No matter what we try, the many will always look to the few for leadership. Rather than try to deny human nature, I choose to embrace it. If we are to be ruled by an elite few or elite one, we might as well make a government that is based upon this truth that is efficient and effective. That is all fascism is; the acceptance and adaptation of human nature in our government.

>>81307684
The poster literally says "IM KINO">>81305629

>>81307375
Are you German? What is it like living with Markel as chancellor?

>>81307694
Your argument is made stronger by pointing out this simple fact.

If you tell a crowd their in control when someone else is then they will continue to believe they can resolve issues using the system they have no way to control.

If they know man X is in control and as long as Man X exists he will always be in control they can take direct action against him. This means the man in charge has accountability rather than having 2 proxy parties where which evers in control its the same Man X behind them

It's time.

Hell, cal Sly, have Sly write it.

>>81307599
>that horrible aesthetic
What was he thinking?

>>81307313

>The only reason to watch it is this man and you know it

>Not watching because you hate Frank and couldn't wait to see him eat it

>Not watching because Trade Minister Tagomi is GOAT

>Not watching to honor the spirit of Philip K. Dick that is currently riding VALIS and guiding and shaping our reality

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>>81307775

What the fuck did you just say about Futurism you little bitch?

>>81307775
>horrible

Fuck you it looks great

>>81307767
>tfw Sylvester Stallone would write the fuck out of sequel to Dredd

Either which.

DO IT!

>>81305218
Who said he's a hero? He's just the right man in the right place.

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>>81307805

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>>81307805
Futurism is GOAT tier

>>81305629
It is a comedy you know?

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>>81307851
Italian Giallo Kino made me appreciate it

>>81307766
Your inability to spell and understand their, there, they're makes it impossible to take either you or your argument seriously.

>>81306886
I thought Russia was bad and evil and hacked everything in the world?

>>81307694

>If we are to be ruled by an elite few or elite one, we might as well make a government that is based upon this truth that is efficient and effective. That is all fascism is; the acceptance and adaptation of human nature in our government.

If you had any historical knowledge about your meme ideologies, you'd know that both Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany were INSANELY inefficient and corrupt. Shit, that is basically one of the main reasons why Germans got rekt. That is what happens when you get ruled by "muh elite one" who is immune to all criticism - you stagnate and then die. That is why liberal democracy just keeps fucking winning - because the elite have to compete, at least at some level.

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>>81307878

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>hero the audience cheers for is literally a fascist

>>81307889
no, because they've rid their country of the cancerous tumor known as communism. The last 15 years have been the best Russia has ever had, and it's been built on crony capitalism and nationalism. kek

>>81305375
>"""the strong""" lose the only war they ever fought

>>81307887
>I saw you made a spelling mistake. This means I can completely ignore all of your post even though it proves I'm wrong.

Check mate Reddit.

It's cop porn.

Sometimes you don't have to make excuses for conservative ideals.

That said... Trump is awful. I didn't vote for him.

I get the feeling Dredd himself would have voted for Kasich.

>>81306141
Kant is also a favorite among liberal shitstains, especially Catholic ones for some reason

>>81308037
>liberals
>fans of deontological ethics
pick one

>>81305607
This. I learned of the movie when I saw a poster in the theater a week before it stopped being shown.

>>81308023
The very fact that there are still holes in his cabinet.

It's an embarrassment.

Russia won.

>>81307966
>"he's a fascist because cnn told me he is!"

>>81306942
Retard, fasces are on the podium

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>>81308037
That is until you mention this little work of his

>>81308079
>le russia meme

>>81305218
I like when people don't realise Judge Dredd is supposed to be satire, at least in the comics

>>81308079
I wanted that proxy war in Syria.

Liberals wanted it.

Why were tough white "American males" so pussy?

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>>81307911
>liberal democracy keeps winning

Do you feel like you're winning?

Are you implying that todays first world democracies are not as corrupt, if not more so, than fascist nations were? Are you implying that the elites of democratic societies face any kind of relevant competition? No, of course they don't. Just like in ANY society, those in power have entrenched themselves to the point where removing them is impossible without violent purges.

The only difference is that the elite in a fascist society might or might not legitimately work to forward the interests of their nation. In democracy, the elite look out for themselves and nothing more.

>>81305629
>>81306609

The message of this movie is that regardless of free thinking, you should be careful who you vote for. That's literally it. It also throws jabs at mass media.

Hell, he even says that a modern TV is a magnificent propaganda machine the moment he turns one on.

>>81308223
I take it you're in the military?

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>>81307966

>>81308223
Granted Obama was a gigantic labia.

Hillary the Crook would have took fuckers to task.

America looks weak because of Trump.

>>81308079
Better than American winning.

We need more generals as Presidents desu.

>>81308333
Not from my prospective.

I WANT HANDEGG TO LIVE GOD DAMN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>81307977
As Mussolini put it, it doesn't matter if you win or lose a war. As long as your people fight, they will come out stronger for it in the end.

Warfare is to man what maternity is to women. Democratic societies coddle their people, and encourages them to live out their lives as feminine manchildren. War is like exercise for a nation. When you exercise, you cause some of your muscles to be destroyed, but in the end they regrow bigger and stronger than before. Furthermore, just as exercise improves a persons state of mind, war improves the soul of the nation.

To a fascist, losing a war is nothing more than a trip to the gym.

>>81308423
If you were to say America is dead, but American football is the world sport... maybe then.

Otherwise, I slit your mother's throat.

I know fascists. They are just autists and beta bydlo uprising and shiet. They are not cool like Dredd.

>>81305243
THIS.

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>>81305243
Stop it /pol/ I don't want the red pill.

>tfw this thread is 50% Russian

Why are American shitpoasters so shit?

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>>81305243
fpbp

>>81308495
>To a fascist, losing a war is nothing more than a trip to the gym.

In all fairness, Nazi Germany got utterly rekt. I understand your sentiment, but it was completely destroyed and vilified. Never went back to the gym.

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>>81307694
>muh hyooman naychur
everytime

>>81307167
>state and corporations become one
>state directs laws punishing the prols for going against their corporate masters
>state and corporations siphon money from the public, becoming permanently ingrained at the highest levels of power
>can't even hold rallies anymore without miles of paper work, just to be denied at the end because "muh public order"

Face it, crony capitalism leads swiftly to textbook fascism. You don't need a strong man like Hitler or Mussolini to be fascist. Really at this point all we are missing is people being outright forced to buy certain company products.

>>81307642
lol thank you for the chuckle

>>81306992
canada can have a social democracy since they have a superpower to leach a military off of

>>81306969
simply EBIN

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>>81308725
>Really at this point all we are missing is people being outright forced to buy certain company products.
The Brits would like to have a word

>>81308857
If you don't purchase a television you don't need to pay TV license,

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>>81306945
>crony capitalism
heh

>>81308647
I can't speak for the Nazis, but as a classical Italian fascist I would say that it doesn't matter if it was a crushing military defeat. Even if the fascist government was completely dismantled, fascism still worked as intended.

How? Look at Germany after the war, both East and West. The German people were as strong and proud as ever. Even after a complete military defeat, the German people were ultimately unphased. But look now, after several generations of democratic rule, at how the German people have fallen. They are led by traitors who hate their people. They actively work to undo their cultural advances. Why? Because without fascism, the people have become weak and docile, and at this rate the German people as we know them will be extinct.

The very first tenant written in The Doctrine and Origins of Fascism is that the State is more than a government, or a people, or a leader. The State is a spiritual entity. You can destroy a government and take territory, but you cannot kill a nations soul with bullets or tanks.

>>81308725
>Really at this point all we are missing is people being outright forced to buy certain company products.
Individual mandate

>>81309003
To add to this, look at the United States during and after WW2. That generation lived and died like dogs on the battlefields of Europe. They died in droves like animals and spent their youth fighting dying. Todays democracy would tell you this is a bad thing, but what do we call those men who fought? We call them "the greatest generation" because they were tempered by the fires of war. Those men who by modern standards were unfortunate and to be pitied went on to build up America as a mighty society and advanced science more rapidly than ever before.

It doesn't matter whether you win or lose in fascism. Obviously winning is better but either way your nations soul will come out stronger for it.

>>81309003
Weren't the people in East Germany miserable under communist rule?

>>81309003
>Look at Germany after the war, both East and West. The German people were as strong and proud as ever. Even after a complete military defeat, the German people were ultimately unphased.
That's some top shelf revisionism, buddy.

>>81308262

>Do you feel like you're winning?
Sure, that is why all dictatorships of the last century fell before democracy.

>Are you implying that todays first world democracies are not as corrupt, if not more so, than fascist nations were?
Corrupt wouldn't know, but efficient? You bet your ass, we're more efficient.

>Are you implying that the elites of democratic societies face any kind of relevant competition?
Relevant enough to stay on top for 100+ years.

>Just like in ANY society, those in power have entrenched themselves to the point where removing them is impossible without violent purges.
Sure, but in ebin totalitarian dictatorships as a bonus you get a bullet to your head if you step out of line. But I know, man, all those cool uniforms, flags waving, totally worth it.

>The only difference is that the elite in a fascist society might or might not legitimately work to forward the interests of their nation.
Hahaha, oh jesus. Look, I realize that your knowledge about fascism and nazism comes from that one youtube video and the latest edition of /pol/ infographics, but for the love of god, read up on the ruling classes of aforementioned dictatorships. Wages of Destruction and Speer's memoirs would make a good starting point.

>>81305218

>Literally

Shut the fuck up.

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>>81309246
Not as bad as Merkel

>>81308495
>Germany
>Coming out of WW2 strongers

lewl, only from the massive injection of slav semen

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>>81309372
>you get a bullet to your head if you step out of line.

>>81305327
>Do you not realize fascism is totalitarian and fucks over anyone who isn't part of the elite government?

No that's communism.

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>>81305218

>>81308913
China isn't even communist at this point.

The open markets are our master.

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>>81305218
The world of Judge Dredd is filled with gangs that skin people alive and cyborg cannibals do ya Dredd is a hero because a world like that needs someone like Dredd to take out the trash.

>>81309246
Yes, as I would expect most people under communism to be. Those were hard times that could have been avoided by winning the war, but alas they didn't win.

That said, being miserable is not necessarily a bad thing. Obviously you don't WANT people to be miserable, but it's not all a negative thing. It makes people hunger for something better, it makes them become more resourceful and daring, and it teaches them how to endure hardships.

The State as the fascist understands it does not exist to make people happy. It exists to serve the nations physical, cultural, and spiritual needs. Happiness is not necessarily a spiritual need.

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>>81305243
It's inevitable

>>81309456
>posts an irrelevant old man
What did he mean by this?

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>>81309428
ddr was still white unlike the west who imported mudslimes and niggers

>>81309522
The party is your master and the market is their whip.

>>81309531
Then what is happiness? A physical need? A cultural need? An outcome of those needs being met? If so, the people should be happy because the State has done its job.

Putin is a die hard christian Russian nationalist.

Play that bitch.

Look. The temple on mount is still in Muslim hands. Recify that fucker til he dies & the deal with his Kim Jong Un.

>>81309446
First off, slavic genes are irrelevant because classical fascists don't put much value on ones race.

Second, even while split in two, the Germans were a stronger people compared to today. That is, unless you consider self-hatred and cultural masochism strength, in which case yes modern Germans are stronger.

>>81309628
>Recify
The fuck is recify?

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>>81309003
>a classical Italian fascist

making a dead, convoluted ideology a component of your self-image is one of the most pathetic things you could do.

Especially considering Italian Fascism is the least intellectual of all 20th century dead meme ideologies. You're not a pathetic retard are you?

>>81305218
Yeah, because he's killing hyper-violent gangbangers who skin people alive and throw them off high rises.

Same reason people cheer BOPE over the favela gangs.

fascists > gangs

>>81309531
>The State as the fascist understands it does not exist to make people happy.
Outside of some fictional Utilitarian Empire ruled by an immortal JSM, no state or political system believes the state exists to make people happy.

That is a meaningless statement and a useless distinction.

>>81309705
The equal of appeasing the horrendous being that is POTUS, while planning for the future.

YOU WILL NOT DIVIDE US

Trump is so awful. Fill that cabinet. You aren't Andrew Jackson. Andrew Jackson would have chastised you for avoiding Vietnam & then you have been it for you.

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Uh-huh, cause *this* is who we need to police our cities...
>>81305218

>>81309809
*& then that would have been

America needs better generals.

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>>81309428
>>81309592

Too many German flags banned in modern day Germany.

>>81308495

The only gymnastics fascists do is mental gymnastics.

Everything they say is just a rationalisation of their worship of power, which they covet because they are powerless nobodies. Rather than wanting a system where power is shared fairly and restrained as much as possible, they want simply to wield power over others.

Literally a loser's philosophy, tee bee aitch.

>>81307851
>>81307805

it's like cubism with direction

>>81306791
Americans love it because they feel empowered by the fact that they beat the Nazis while the eurocucks failed. Americans are also faggots that are obsessed with alternate history.

>>81309627
Fascism sees the State as a spiritual entity, consisting of a conglomeration of the people, their history, and their culture, that is all embodied by the leader. When the people, the culture, and the leader work in harmony, contentedness is the natural result. When fascism is working as intended, happiness is simply a byproduct of the spiritually healthy state.

The people of East Germany were unhappy because their people were not working in harmony with their state. I'm not saying that you should be a good slave and turn over to any authority that comes your way. The German people were not culturally or spiritually in synch with communism, of course it wouldn't take. This is why I don't advocate for fascism in the US, it is simply not compatible with our people, history, or culture.

>>81305218
i think someone don't know what "fascism" really means...

>>81305443
You could literally replace "fascist" with any ideology.

>>81309759
Wrong

>Consitution of the Republic of California
>Article I, Section I
>All people are by nature free and independent and have inalienable rights. Among these are enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing, and protecting property, and pursuing and obtaining safety, happiness, and privacy
>Happiness

The Californian government guarantees your God given right to be happy.

>>81305327
kek, that it nails it quiet good.

>>81306791
>America is basically this close to being a fascist state anyway. This is why we are so enamored with fascist media.

Oh fuck off

>>81309809
>>81309874
No, I meant what do you think recify means? Recify is not a word in the english language.

So are you trying to LARP, or are you just shitpositng?

>>81310108
Doesn't prove my point wrong. All ideology is trash.

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>>81305299

>>81310246
I'm sorry I;m human.

OK, buddy?

>>81305327
so does modern global democracy

>>81305327
the number of replies you got shows how deep this actually cuts

>>81310124
A State is not a state. California is not a nation in any sense. Good on you for looking at a State constitution, but that's not what we were talking about.

>>81309541
source?

>>81305607
This, plus the trailers made it look like shit.

>>81310043
In fascism, the nation is a gigantic spook that everyone is supposed to love.

It's fucking disgusting.

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>>81306886

>>81310505
I'm sure he wouldn't give a shit what retarded foreigners were up to. The Russian people are still strong.

Conservatards seem to conveniently forget that Russian Soviets were intensely nationalist and also opposed degeneracy like homosexuality.

>>81310593
After Based Stalin took over

>>81310593
I think you missed the point of that pic, but that pic is also a good deal more than slightly retarded so that's no big deal.

>>81310593
I get the feeling Russian's are as poor as they ever was.

So suddenly you got rich?

GOT RICH OFF WHOM?

4chan is Russian troll haven & I'm OK with that.

As long as I have my Fargo & Handegg threads.

>>81310665
Rich =/= Strong

Russian ideals and Russian people are as strong as ever. Russian men are masculine while western men are becoming increasingly feminine in places such as Europe and the USA.

>>81310124

Its not god given.

>>81310505
>Hitler laughing
>He doesn't know yet how his own supporters manifest themselves in current year

>>81310758
I like it.

America as the underdog.

>>81310828
Orthodox?

>>81305218
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St8iEpkcDJc

>>81310863
You fuckers sound so very Baptist.

Yet without the cool hymns & based negro choir singers.

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>>81310799
>Meanwhile, on the Alt-Right...

Literally a bunch of non-whites and nu-males. Did /pol/ just send its worst to the HWNDU stream or is the board really this pathetic?

>>81310433
>this is what anti white cucks actually believe

>>81308262
Criminally underrated.

>>81310972
Why should white people hate their own race, you leftist cuck?

>>81305541
Raid Redemption was a ripoff of Dredd, not the other way around, the Dredd script leaked online and they rushed out Raid in like 9 months and Dredd wouldn't be released for almost a half year after that

>>81310972
Show was in NYC, what did you expect?

>>81306992
Canada is a parliamentary republic you moron

hell the US is more socially democratic since our head of state is decided with a national election

>>81311378
That being the one thin killing a sequel.

>>81310433
>people responded
>that means you are right
No.

Two Ton Tony.

Assante would be perfect.

Almost too perfect.

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>>81305243
>There is literally nothing wrong with fascism.

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>statists
>any year