/who/ - Doctor Who General

reminder that the actual real doctor died in his first incarnation and we've just been watching the adventures of various clones that are continually killed and replaced

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Reminder Simms back in episode 2 in a prologue showing how he became Missy.

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>>81284627

>>81284619

A reminder, that 'Heaven Sent' had the Doctor actively decided to kill himself and basically clone a former version of himself - meaning the Doctor is officially dead and only his clone remains.

>>81284665
Reminder that was explained as "how teleporters work" so as soon as he first used a teleporter that was true.

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woah...

I've had a whole year to tune myself into the psychic network and INTEGRATE WITH ITS MATRICES

>>81284721
Really integrates your matrices.

>>81284665
He's not a clone. His body gets cloned, but his original mind gets transferred into the new body which why he remembers all his previous copies.

>>81284773
I don't recall him ever saying he remembers exactly what happened in every clone's life in HS, only that he infers he's been repeating the same thing for billions of years

That human Christmas out there. They eat so much. All that roasting meat, cakes and red wine. Hot, fat, blood, food. Pots, plates of meat, and flesh, and grease, and juice, and baking, burnt, sticky hot skin. Hot. It's so hot. Sliced. Sliced. Sliced. It's mine. It's mine. It's mine to eat and eat and eat.

>>81284773

Correction, his memories get transferred at the precise moment he encounters the wall and realises 'bird'

Up until that point its just a clone each time, and this clone has different thoughts, feelings, etc - we know this because they each have different lines to tell us the number of years.

So yes, its a clone, it just has the additional memories of countless other clones before it along with the original doctor from the very first time he arrived.

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>>81284721
>entry level "look at me" posting

I bet he/she never even got off with a length of mains cable and a sackful of soft ginger tabbies.

Moffat has been planning this for a long time.

> Gay black female companion
> Female Master
> Incarnation of the Doctor who was solely created for his story
> Companion who is responsible for everything in the Doctor's life
> Doctor about to regenerate into a woman for the first time

He's really trying to get his name on the series

>>81284897
It's a clone in the confession dial, but his real pre-heaven sent self reforms once he breaks out. But he retains the memories of Heaven sent. The Clone who breaks out dies, and original capaldi is back.

When was capaldi's departure announced?
Was there time for moff to actually write a series long regeneration into the plot?

>>81284958
>He's really trying to get his name on the series
Ah yes, I really see how decisions entirely out of his control like the casting of the next Doctor are part of his master plan to 'get his name on the series' beyond literally running it for 8 years. What a devious fiend writing a character who's gay AND black, whatever the fuck will this madman do next?

>>81284721
Is that thing on their head supposed to be hair or a piece of their skull?

>>81284958
RTD has been planning this for a long time.

> Working class Doctor and companion
> Non-straight companion
> Black female companion
> Gay Master
> Companion who is the most important person in the universe
> Doctor about to regenerate into a foot for the first time

He's really trying to get his name on the series

>9: wasted a regeneration in a year
>10 - wasted 2 regenerations in 4 years
>11 - lived for over 1000 years
what happened?

>>81285138
Innes Lloyd has been planning this for a long time.

> Twink companion
> Incarnation of the Doctor who was created solely for his story
> Female companion who is smarter than the Doctor
> Doctor about to regenerate for the first time

He's really trying to get his name on the series

>>81285251
>Twink companion
but we haven't had one of those yet

>>81285138
JNT has been planning this for a long time

>Australian companion
>Really camp Master
>Incarnation of the Doctor who was solely created for two seasons
>Doctor in his early 30s
>Black female Brigadier
>Doctor about to regenerate into a long-haired pretty man for the first time

He's really trying to get his name on the series
>

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>>81285322

>>81285402
that's not a twink, anon

>>81285402
Post Frazer Hines lewds.

>>81285199
9 lived for years before he met rose and there was 100 year gap between when he left in his Tardis in the end of the ''Rose'' and then came back for her.

>>81285424
A young, hot, small, beardless, sweet but dim boytoy of an older man is not a twink?

>>81285527
he's not effeminate enough to be a twink

>>81285520
>9 lived for years before he met rose
so why did he need to check his appearance in the mirror?
>100 year gap
that doesn't fit with the age the doctor calls himself in the show

Master fans get fucking hype!
>Simms regeneration scene
>Missy in multiple episodes
>Missy regeneration into a male again in the finale.

>>81285549
Not all twinks are femme twinks. That's why there are series like Muscle Twink.

Bring back Canton

>>81285590
>yfw missy causes simm's regeneration

>>81285607
the faces still have to be effeminate

>>81285576
>that doesn't fit with the age the doctor calls himself in the show
Nothing fits with the age the Doctor calls himself in the show.

He was over 1050 before the classic series ended. Even if you ignore the novels and audios that added another 1000-odd years to Seven and Eight, there's still got to be something more than negative 150 years there.

>>81285576
The War Doctor claims to be 800, Nine says he's 900, do the math.

i don't want to go

>>81285713
Go to bed Tennant.

>>81285713
Oh you're god damn going alright.

Random request /who/, but can someone click on this link and tell me if they can actually open & read the story? The Beeb can't program a website for fucking shit.
https://www.mixital.co.uk/digitalmake/baihw3q7r7

If you were Jenna Coleman would you finger blast yourself in front of a mirror all day long?

>>81285798
I can open and read it, I'm using chrome

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>>81285820
Yes

>>81284773
>tfw Moffat killed the Doctor, and didn't even realise

Pretty apt metaphor for his tenure 2bqh

>>81285138
>> Doctor about to regenerate into a foot for the first time
kek

>>81285871
Cheers.

>>81285590
Simm isn't coming back

>>81285820
of cause

>More Missy

Well I'm out.

>>81286112
Yes he is. I was at the screening. There is a shot of him and Timothy Dalton. He is being interrogated and tortured in a brief 10 second montage. The Crowd went wild it was great.

>>81286363
Simm hate Doctor Who even more than Eccleston. There's no way he'd do it again.

>>81286665
Based on one interview, which he claims quoted him out of context, where he says he sometimes gets sick of fans bothering his family at Tesco's? Or do you have some secret inside information?

>>81286665
He doesn't he said he was misquoted. And Eccleston does not hate Doctor Who, he hates the BBC higher ups because they treated the hardworking crew like shit.

>>81286737
Stealing those Crisps back when he was a kid really changed Eccleston into a man of moral standing didn't it /who/?

Will we get Ecclestons biography book

''Eccleston, how stealing a bag of crisps made me a better man''

>>81286825
What are you even on

>>81286852
I'd wager its some high quality posting formula

>>81286852
Eccleston used to bully a kid and made him give him his crisps during lunch. It's true there's an interview where he breaks down, cries and admits to it, it's become a famous /who/ meme now.

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Shit /who/ I gotta step out for a second, you mind watching my crisps for me? Please don't eat any

>>81286904
Not as famous as you think, friend

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>yfw Susan comes back and it's not Carole Ann Ford
>yfw it shits all over EDA canon

>>81287149
full
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVNLDB6VDQ4

The Crisp Robber (right to the point)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KRmSaTi0mg

>>81287149
Yes it is kek, there have been multiple /who/ threads discussing it, newfag.

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>>81287316
An Earthly Child already shit all over EDA canon.

>>81287149
Are you new? everyone on /who/ knows about Chris the crisp jacker.

I am a conservative, I am against abortion, only in cases of life and death and rape, hate Islam, am against mass immigration, and I still love Doctor Who, why is this?

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>>81287378
>Implying anything written by John fucking Peel is canon

>>81287398

Yeah, I'm new.

>>81287367

Newfriend*

>>81287343
Bless him.

>>81287464
I don't like that those things make you a conservative. They seem reasonable. And, I don't know.

>>81287464
No idea, it's a shit fucking show. It's only value is in providing a platform for shit-posting.

D u B s confirm the huge spoiler in the trailer will leak today and it will be John Simm.

Dubs confirm Susan

>>81287793
Du bs confirm it's Susan and the Master.

Dubs confirm it's 13

>>81287820
Dubs confirms the Master's daughter is Susan and the Master is the Doctor's son-in-law

The huge spoiler is Doctor regenerating into Nardole
Screencap this

Dubs confirm It's Missy regenerating into a new Master.

Dewbles confirms that season 10 will be shit

Dubs confirm Gareth Roberts is the next Master.

Dubbly Wubblies confirms that Doctor Who will be cancelled after season 11

Dubs confirm, new master, series 10 will be Goat and Susan.

Dubs confirm series 11 will be the best in years.

>>81287922
We have a winner

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>>81287922
oh shit.

>>81287922
BASED CHIBBERS

/who/, help me out

I remember when I first watched the Time of the Doctor, I remembered the line after the Doctor kisses Tasha Lem as

"Don't kiss me unless I ask you too!"

And the reply being:

"Ask me more often, then!"

But I just re-watched the episode then and that wasn't the line.

Anyway know if it was re-cut, or is my memory just fucked?

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>>81287922

Does amy ever get redeemed for trying to fuck the doctor or does she just "learn her lesson?"

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>>81288049
The memory cheats

Dubs and Moffats son will become a future showrunner.

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>>81288298
God damn it.

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>>81288338

>>81287922
I don't need your dubs to believe this, but I'll take them anyway.

Dubs confirm McGann is in the basement

>>81288338
Go to school, Louis.

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A Doctor for a whole new generation.

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>>81288368
No, fark off. I'm too busy watching Series 10.

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>>81287922
>>81288355

Dubs confirm the trailer reveals McGann.

>>81288443
off by one lmao

>>81285098
im wondering that too

I've had a whole year to tune myself into the psychic network and INTEGRATE WITH ITS MATRICES

>>81288298
>>81288338
>>81288351
>>81288404

I bet he browses /who/

Think we'll get a series 10 plogical soon? With 12 and Nardole running around

Listened to The One Doctor today and there's a part here a character is listing different names the Doctor has been known as, and it says the usual stuff like "Theta Sigma", but then they say what sounds like "Snail".

I most definitely misheard but I just love the idea that the Doctor becomes known as Snail, at some point in his lives.

>>81290297
Glospin calls him snail

>>81290477
*
my memory is also off but I think he was also called wormhole at one point.

Snail and Wormhole is because he has a bellybutton and the rest of the timelords don't.

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>>81290297
No, you heard right.

Time Lords don't have navels, because they're woven from Looms rather than born from mothers.

But the Doctor has one, probably because he's the reincarnation of the Other, who was from the pre-Looms era.

So his cousins call him "Snail" (and "Wormhole").

>>81290514
This would all be interesting if Lungbarrow was canon, sadly it is not.

>>81290589
Sure, but the character of the Doctor isn't canon either, so who cares?

>>81290514
I was wondering about other shirtless timelords that could contradict this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MExPjyXTrBk

They managed to not expose his navel in this scene. Bravo Rusty. Also wew I've done a good job forgetting this even happened.

>>81290688
There's really no need to worry about this, because the whole navel thing is mentioned only in that one novel, and plenty of other novels imply or state that the Doctor has a mother.

Of course they all contradict each other, too, but then Unnatural History makes a virtue out of that problem.

>His mother is human and therefore not affected by the Curse of Pythia.
>His parents were part of Saldamir's secret experiments to get around the Curse.
>The Curse only affects Gallifrey, and his parents just went to another planet to boink.
>The Curse only affects Time Lords, and he's a scholarship case from a non-Time Lord family.
>There was no Curse (or it was fixed long before the Doctor's time, or there was one but history has changed so now there wasn't) and at least some, maybe all, Time Lords have mothers.
>Gallifreyan history isn't nearly as old as you think it is, and the Doctor is a little older than you think, and he was born in the Old Times.
>The Doctor is a human scientist from a 49th century Earth colony, as he said in the pilot episode.

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>>81290589
Who writers seem to avoid deliberately conflicting with established canon.

Obviously if the return to Gallifrey occurs, they'll have to explain what happened to Romana and co, Lungbarrow, Pythia, Rassilon, Omega, decide on whether or not Faction Paradox is canon etc.

That's why I think that Gallifrey will never come back.

>>81290688
>we have discovered the potion of life to bring back The Master!
>Lucy: NOOOO
>loljk I knew you'd come back, which is why I got some smart people to discover the opposite potion!
>Master: NOOOO
>loljk I'm fine

What the fuck was this scene? The secret book of saxon was bad enough, but the awkward end bit about the opposite potion was entirely unnecessary

Not gonna lie I am hyped as FUCK for this upcoming series, and intrigued about this 'spoiler'

>>81290850
Honestly a lot of it by this point is useless stuff that shouldn't come back - The Doctor's character should be a mystery, the viewer shouldn't know who is Mother and Father were, you shouldn't know why he left Gallifrey. Hints are fine but imo things like Lungbarrow ruin the mystery of the show that made it popular in the first place.

>>81290885
But without that, the Master wouldn't be constantly dying, and obviously an insane evil genius dual of the Doctor is nowhere near as interesting as a ravenous lunatic idiot with magic skelly powers, right? That's why Moriarty in the original Holmes stories didn't run a criminal enterprise, he shot lightning bolts out of his hands.

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>>81290796
The canon version is that the Doctor is his own father after 5, 6 and 7 made love to stay warm after the Tardis central heating broke down.

>>81290925
I'm pretty sure you're responding to a sarcastic joke, given that Gallifrey already has come back.

(Not to mention that the only Who writers ever who didn't revel in fucking with canon are the ones like Robert Holmes and Anthony Read who couldn't be bothered to remember it in the first place.)

>>81290971
Haven't you read the Christmas Short Trips? There's a story where Eight grabs some mistletoe and tries to seduce Seven, Seven rejects him and tells him Six is way more into that, but it turns out FIve and Three are actually the most receptive.

Oddly, that story is the only one in the collection that doesn't have a page on the TARDIS Data Core: http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Short_Trips:_A_Christmas_Treasury

Anyone remember that #dwsr pic where Capaldi, Missy and some other guy are standing in a field? Could it be Simm? His hair is greying a bit

>>81291024
>given that Gallifrey already has come back
Doesn't mean it's going to get shown on screen.
Again, classicwhofags/EUfags are going to be pining if X character doesn't show up.

>>81290969
Yeah but Rusty the Davis could have just written that The Master was revived but it didn't work properly, or he'd just been dead too long that they couldn't bring him back fully, or something simple like that.
Why would you write that The Master was revived and he was perfectly a-okay then invent yet another overly convoluted bit of nonsense in the same scene to make him into an electro skelly monster. Just go straight into John Simms wild ride.

Or better yet, don't do that at all. Just have him be The Master

>>81291099
>Oddly, that story is the only one in the collection that doesn't have a page on the TARDIS Data Core
lol, they're way too upright.

>>81291153
>Doesn't mean it's going to get shown on screen.
Except that it already has been shown on screen.

I can't tell whether you're being obtuse because you're way too defensive about taking a joke seriously, or you haven't actually watched the show. (I mean, presumably it's neither, and you're just trolling, but I can't tell which one you're pretending to do, which means it's not very good trolling.)

>>81291182
*uptight

>>81291201
I am >>81290850. Really, there's absolutely nothing sarcastic about my posts.

>>81291155
>Or better yet, don't do that at all. Just have him be The Master
Yes, that was my point. Turning the Master into cannibal skelly monster is such a huge flaw that the fact that he did it in a stupid way doesn't noticeably add to the stupidity.

>>81291232
So you've just never seen, or even heard of, Heaven Sent/Hell Bent? Or did you just not notice that was Gallifrey?

>>81291240
yeah I know, I was agreeing with you
I'd just never paid attention to that scene before and didn't realise how stupid even just the process of getting to skelly Master was

>>81290850
12 finds gallifrey in the finale of series 9

>>81291281
Those are brief trips. Prolonged trips would mean that they have to delve into exactly who survived in Classic Who/EU and what exactly is canon - Lungbarrow is just one example and clearly the whole Time War locked thing was to avoid mentioning it and opening that particular can of worms.

>>81291294
That's a brief trip.

Well.

https://twitter.com/doctorstrainers/status/849550631572471808

>>81291334
Susan never.

>>81291303
It probably won't come back permanently because Gallifrey is mostly bureaucratic and boring and the Doctor works better without it.

>>81291334
>Moffat realises he fucked up the 50th anniversary
>The real 50th anniversary is 4 years late

Will it be Carol though? inb4 they cast some randomer

>>81291343
The BF gallifrey plotlines have essentially been: Politics, stuff coming out of the Matrix, time getting rewritten, terrorists and finding alternate Gallifreys,

And you can't even get a percentage of that if you're writing for the Doctor. The most I can see him doing is doomsday of the week, boring fetch quests or perhaps Time War shenanigans (which is now impossible because Eight isn't the War Doctor.)

>>81290850
>Romana and co, Lungbarrow, Pythia, Rassilon, Omega, decide on whether or not Faction Paradox is canon
and Leela

>>81291379
This is what confuses me. I can't see them bringing back CAF.

>>81291417
They may bring her back just to have her regenerate.

>>81291416
>Leela gets her memory wiped in DC4 to avoid canonicity shenanigans dealing with her child and the entire Gallifrey timeline

>>81291303
Most of the episode takes place on Gallifrey, which is hardly a "brief trip". It shows the Doctor's family (which Moffat had already done in Listen, of course), opening the very can of worms you claim he'd never open. It explicitly tells us that Gallifrey is back in the normal universe and out of the time lock, which you say they're never going to do.

Seriously, nobody can be as stupid as you're pretending to be.

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>>81291441
>the titles are real

>>81291407
I could see Gallifrey working if it was used sparingly, or dare I say it, well, but it's hard to get the scale of something like Time Lord civilization across onscreen and make the Time Lords not boring.
>doomsday of the week, boring fetch quests
I could handle a storyline like Three Doctors or Genesis of the Daleks where you have the Time Lords send the Doctor off on some mission like M sending off 007.

>>81291449
The problem with Gallifrey is how inherently boring it makes everything with Deus Ex Gallifrey and Deus ex a million TARDISes.

The trip is as brief as a fuck and was only excused because Time War shenanigans.

Say that Gallifrey is back. What stories are you going to set on Gallifrey that can sustain a season or something of length?

Gallifrey is going to be used rarely even if it is back.

>>81291510
Sparingly, yeah. Unless the Toymaker is returning or something.

>>81291582
Beautiful.

>>81291512
Of course they're not going to set a whole season on Gallifrey. They never did that in the classic series, and the only time they've ever set a whole season anywhere at all was the two UNIT seasons.

If you keep moving the goalposts from "they're never going to bring Gallifrey back" to "well, if they do, they won't show it" to "well, if they show it, it'll only be a brief trip" to "well, they won't set an entire season there", eventually you're going to come up with something that's trivially and uselessly true instead of completely wrong, but what's the point?

How are they going to address the fact that Eight already visited her? I hope they don't make that non-canon.

>>81291605
One fetch quest, one Trial and maybe one Slyne.

>>81291611
Well Alex is dead. I suppose they could just reference it offscreen and extend that bit to encompass the Last Great TW.

>>81291551
Why would the Toymaker returning have anything to do with Gallifrey? His original story had nothing to do with Gallifrey or Time Lords. In the novels and audios where he appeared later, he's a Great Old One (and/or a Guardian), and they didn't need Gallifrey to appear to have the Doctor deal with the Gods of Ragnarok or any of the other Great Old Ones.

>>81291611
The audios didn't address the fact that Eight had already visited her in the novels.

And that doesn't make anything non-canon. Invasion of Time contradicted just about everything it referenced from Deadly Assassin, but Deadly Assassin is still canon.

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>>81291611
"Susan. I haven't seen you in a loong time!"

Ambiguous and covers One and Eight.

My uncle went to the press screening last night and I'm now at his house.

Any questions you want me to try ask him?

>>81291680
I suppose the Gods, Great Old Ones, stuff like Zagreus, the Divergent and Guardians were the 'there's always a bigger fish' because the TLs are already technically able enough to deal with most everything so they needed a bigger threat that couldn't be solved in ten seconds flat.

I guess Rassilon's oversights like Daleks etc rising to such a threat in the first place even with the apparent foresight offered by TARDISes could be justified in universe but it might be hard if they don't have time technology to compensate (I mean most EU stuff just gave a whole bunch of races time technology so they offered a 'threat').

NuWho didn't really have anything because the Last Great TW defacto 'lowered the powerlevels' so to speak (all time active races presumably locked in it) so they didn't need so many gods running about.

Susan can't regenerate, dumbasses. She's not a time lord.

>>81291760
It's a shot of CAF. Has to be.

Moffat told people to close their eyes. If it was some random woman, they'd probably voiceover it with "Grandfather?" or "Susan?" but closing your eyes wouldn't avoid it. Thus it's gotta be a visual shot of CAF.

>>81291743
Ask him why he molested you

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So the episode titles are confirmed. Thanks for telling me /who/

>>81291780
Unless it's the adventure in space and time actress in her costume.

>>81291760
Not being able to regen doesn't mean not being a TL. You could just give the regens up like River (who technically isn't a TL) or have them stolen (a la Narvin). She could just be a plain old Gallifreyan or have used up all the regens.

Or she could regen but it hasn't been shown.

On the other hand maybe the reason why Bill is only one season could be because of Susan.

>>81291797
It's CAF.

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I'm baaaaaaaaaack

>>81291813
ohmygod, maybe Susan regenerated into Bill

The Pilot review
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/0/doctor-series-10-episode-1-first-look-review

Missy is going to shoot simm, causing him to regenerate into her

>>81291853
Well Chameleon Arch.
And in the EU Marnal had his memories wiped.

>>81291441
Scans when?

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>>81291780
But Doctor Who destroyed her

>>81291753
But they already had a better solution to that: the Doctor doesn't just call on the Time Lords to fix things whenever he finds a problem, for lots of very good reasons—they're generally anti-interventionist; they're sometimes corrupt and on the wrong side; they're so stagnant that they can't use their immense power effectively (when someone like Omega shows up, the way they deal with it is by calling him…), the last time he tried that they put him on trial and forced him to regenerate…

And of course RTD (and the EDA novels before him) gave us an even better reason the Doctor can't just call in the Time Lord cavalry.

So on the rare occasions when they did a "biggest threat ever in the history of everything" bigger fish story, it was unnecessary, and usually fell flat. And the same was true for RTD trying to up the scale for each year's finale.

Even in the comics, where they cranked up the scale escalation to comic-book levels (with being even more powerful than the Guardians), most of the stories didn't focus on those godlike beings; the Doctor was usually just facing Doctor-scale problems every month.

>>81291904
She's like 76, so I'm sure she isn't arsed about returning to the show now. Not like she's actively trying to find other new stuff to do.

>>81291853
Wait a minute, that theory doesn't make sense because Bill is gay but Susan would have been at least bi to fit.

>>81291914
Bill isn't Susan, but who's to say sexuality doesn't change when TLs regenerate?

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>>81291914

Question is lads, which episode is Susan returning in?

My bet is that it's a Steven Moffat penned episode. We can probably rule out the first 4 at least.

>>81291935
Bill's description makes me think that she's a clean slate audience surrogate. Bait and switch?

>>81291943
Quite /u/ true.

>>81291953
It will be Capaldi's swansong at Christmas. He'll die in her arms and whisper "I kept my promise. I came back".

Then he'll regenerate and Susan will be revealed as a Clara splinter and Jenna Coleman will be the 13th Doctor.

In the show, she was last seen on Earth in 2154 (after 5 Doctors we assume she was redeposited back there). Which episode of Series 10 features the future? The third part of the creepy Monk story?

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Whatever it is, it's good to know he kept one last Moffucking up his sleeve

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>>81291980
>"I kept my promise. I came back"

Moffat sounds as desperate as fuck

>>81291987
As long as the moffucking isn't River or Clara v2.

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>>81291980
>Jenna Coleman will be the 13th Doctor.
I'd be ok with that but only if she wears her costume from Time Heist

>>81291987
>may just fill an important gap in Time Lord history

Probably Susan or 13. Or Simm-Missy, but I like the idea that Missy is a pre-Simm, or even pre-Delgado, Master.

>>81291914
1 and maybe 3 was straight as an arrow but most of the later Doctors, especially 11 were definitely up for some other stuff
I don't think sexuality stays constant across regenerations

>>81292054
It's Susan.

>>81291987
>everybody hates me
poor moff

He's going to use mixed race to describe Susan, I have a horrible feeling.

>>81292068
No one can say that with conviction, why would she be in a trailer for episode 2?

>>81292072
>>everybody hates me
All he needs to do is make more GOAT episodes like Heaven Sent.

>>81292085
She isn't. She's in a Coming Soon trailer which spans the whole series.

so Bill is a mixed race 'teenage' lesbian with a white foster mother who doesn't relate to her?

this is going to be garbage stuff

>>81292054
This is the problem with interpreting articles by normals.

Obviously, none of those, except maybe Simm, is actually the slightest bit relevant to Time Lord history.

I mean, when my cousin moved to Spain and dropped out of touch with the family, and then I met up with her a few years later, that did not fill in a gap in American history.

But obviously the writer doesn't actually mean a gap in Time Lord history, he means a gap in the show's history, or in the Doctor's personal history, or something different. And we have to guess at what he actually means before we can try to guess at what the spoiler is.

(Or we could just wait a few days and see the spoiler ourselves, of course. But nah…)

>>81292120
>(Or we could just wait a few days and see the spoiler ourselves, of course. But nah…)
Susan Foreman. You're welcome.

Susan will be mixed race. Gallifreyan and Human. He may even go as far as making her Human mother black.

>The Great Intelligence has came back to Earth disguised as the Infinite Stupidity
What did Tumblr mean by this?

>>81292073
No, they use different terminology. If the Doctor is a Hybrid for being half-human on his mother's side, his granddaughter is an Octaroon Hybrid.

>>81292114
Radio Times confirmed it was an episode 2 trailer

>>81292120
If it's going to make normies gasp, it won't be Susan, but it may be David Bradley as the First Doctor.

My guess would be a scene of Missy regenerating into a new Master, who is a recognisable face to the general audience. That or a glimpse of the 13th doctor

>>81292184
Literally everywhere else has said it's a Coming Soon trailer. Radio Times are dumb.

It's Susan, anon.

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>>81292174
Fuck.
>Doctor 1/2
>Susan 1/4
>Alex 1/8 (only 7% of his genome was Gallifreyan)

>>81292198
I'm not saying Susan/1 won't appear, I just doubt they'd show it in a coming soon trailer aimed at the casual audience, especially since S10 is meant to be a soft reboot.

Showing a 70+ year old version of a character last seen 50 years ago is not going to arouse excitement within the normies

It isnt Susan.
It's Capaldi regenerating into Missy scene.
Simm or different master is revealed to be true master, and Missy is actuaĺly next Doctor regeneration.

>>81292234
>Showing a 70+ year old version of a character last seen 50 years ago is not going to arouse excitement within the normies
Moffat said himself it'd appeal to certain fans, that it'd melt the internet (probably tumblr and wherever manic fans hang out).

>>81292207
>Doctor 1/2
>Susan 1/4
She's his granddaughter. So 1/8, unless:

>The Doctor's 1/4th-human son found another 1/4th-human somewhere.
>The Doctor fucked his own son so he's secretly Susan's father.
>Something even less likely.

>>81292266
You're right, I need to consider the generation underneath.

1/16 is quite close to 7% (0.0625)

Nu Who companion rankings.

Rose > Ponds > Donna > Martha > Clara

Based on personality and development, not looks.

>>81287343
He can steal my chips any day.

>>81291290
I can't really defend it, not that I was asked to, not that it would change your mind if I could, BUT

Are you guys saying Simm's Master was not the Master because he was a skelly cannibal man, or because he was crazy?

We're pretty active tonight with only 39 IPs.

>>81292308
m8 Rose was fucking awful

>>81292347
Series 1 Rose is kino

>>81290885

Good things about that scene:

>The Master has a cult dedicated to his worship

This is a cool thing

Bad things about that scene:

>Everything else

Why the fuck would Lucy Saxon still be carrying his biological imprint over a year later?

And what the fuck does that MEAN?

>>81292378
>And what the fuck does that MEAN?
Biodata imprints.
They fugged.

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>>81292342
it's cos OP got trips
>>81284555

>>81292304
Except that Alex is probably actually 7/16th Gallifreyan, or 44%.

Moffat referred to the Doctor's first wife, "probably Susan's grandmother", as "back on Gallifrey". Which would make her very likely to be Gallifreyan. And in the novels, she definitely is. And the Doctor's daughter in law is a Time Lady on Gallifrey.

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"Hello Susan."
"Grandfather?"

>>81292478
It's been years since I listened to it but Tardiswikia apparently has it listed as 7%

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>>81292482

>>81292338
I can't speak for the other guy, but I wasn't exactly saying that skelly Master wasn't The Master.
More like, why wasn't he just The Master. You know?
Like, why did RTD have to introduce the skelly ellyment at all? why couldn't he have just been The Master

>>81292378
funnily enough I just finished The Writers Tale a day or two ago and Rusty wanted it to be her blood but he felt that was too heavy for BBC1 Doctor Who Christmas special at 6pm or whenever it was so he made it a biological imprint from her lips.
Although why she would have had anything of The Masters in her blood is anyones guess

Susan wont appear
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>>81292501
I vaguely remember some technobabble about Time Lord genes being recessive, which would have actually explained why he didn't have any Time Lord traits if they'd just left it there, but then they had to say that only 7% of his genome was Time Lord, which… that's not how recessive genes work, but then it's no worse than any of the other biology in Doctor Who.

>>81292539
>Like, why did RTD have to introduce the skelly ellyment at all? why couldn't he have just been The Master
Why did Moffat have to introduce the female Mary Poppins element?
Why did Hinchy have to introduce the charred corpse element?
Why did JNT have to introduce the camp panto element?

http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/rumour-13th-doctor-a-dashing-male-actor-in-his-30s-83719.htm

IT'S NOT A WOMAN

HA!

>>81292624
all fair points to be perfectly honest

>>81292645
>The Mirror

>>81292559
The genome being unique is where it gets tricky. https://www.genome.gov/10001345/
So for example human and mouse genomes are extremely similar and there's almost no genes in the actual genome.

Maybe TL genome is also very susceptible to mutation or can pick up stuff from the environment (one guy raised this a few threads back but I M Foreman's flawed regenerations could just pick up random DNA from the environment, a lot like bacterial transformation if I remember. )

>>81292645
>http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/rumour-13th-doctor-a-dashing-male-actor-in-his-30s-83719.htm
This is an article about the Mirror's article that has no new information since their unnamed source way back in November that they already told us about back then.

So, not news.

>>81292645
Can't wait for Doctor Song's meltdown.

>>81292645
>me
>dashing
>male
>in my 30's
>not an actor
I was so close

>>81292672
http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/doctor-who-doctor-evil-time-5521289

This was posted half a year before the episode aired, so I wouldn't say the Mirror was a bad source.

>>81292673
Really, the idea that humans and Gallifreyans can mate naturally in the first place is pretty silly. Especially given that the explanation for why we look similar is usually something about Sheldrakian "morphic field resonance" even though we have no shared ancestry, not to mention that we've been told that Time Lord DNA is a triple-helix twice and a quadruple-helix once, and that they have hundreds of chromosomes instead of just a couple dozen, and…

Better to just leave it at vague technobabble. Whenever they try to make things "precise", like Alex only having 7% Time Lord DNA because Time Lord traits are recessive, it's invariably stupid. And they usually don't make that mistake with other sciences (except when they're following established genre conventions), only biology.

>>81292706
Capaldi beat Matt Smith in the poll on that post

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>>81290514
That's kinda cute. Little snail.

I can't wait until I get up to Lungbarrow, to be honest.

>>81292645
Oh fuck, its Dan Stevens.

>>81292798
No he's too busy

>>81292645
It's fucking weird because in weebshit titles intended to appeal to females are like 99% male and titles intended to appeal to males are like 99% female.

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>>81292645
It was never to be a woman.

>>81292645
Andrew Buchan is in his 30's...

...Just sayin'

>>81292844
What's wrong with the top of this guy's head?

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>>81292798
>this is the new Doctor

>>81292850
I really can't see him as the Doctor. He just doesn't seem right. Not sure what it is.

>>81292823
Come on, it's not as if he is going to break it big and become a household name. He was in BATB and Legion, but most of his recognition came from BATB and he spent nearly all the movie in a fursuit and spoke three lines.

>>81291303
>Prolonged trips would mean that they have to delve into exactly who survived in Classic Who/EU and what exactly is canon
What is your reasoning behind this?

>>81291987
what the fuck is he talking about

>>81292857
I don't know. I found it by searching someones name.

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>>81292862
>not wanting this as the Doctor

You have no taste

>(the Doctor has portraits of two “family” members on his study desk)

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2017-04-05/doctor-who-spoiler-free-review-the-pilot-explores-afresh-the-key-concepts-and-joys-of-this-54-year-old-show

>>81292995
River Song and Susan

>>81292995
Susan and Harriet Jones

>>81293043
>The Pie Man
>Not played by Colin Baker

yfw the trailer spoiler is just simm's master return and everyone's disappointed because they wanted something that would "melt your mind" not just be a surprise

>>81293063
Maybe Colin Baker is the big reveal in the trailer, and there are hints throughout the series.

>>81293025
I'm getting Sixie vibes from her clothes.

what are the chances that the trailer spoiler doesn't get leaked?

>>81293134
High. No one from the press screening leaked Davros last year.

>>81293134
It won't be leaked since it was a press screening. The press wouldn't want to compromise their legitimacy/being invited back by leaking it

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>>81292798
yes please

>>81293063
KMRO!!!

>>81285655
my headcanon is that the doctor somehow lost a couple centuries due to some time war fuckery

entire years of people's lives being eaten by meta-temporal weapons

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it's about time we got this sorted out

>>81293221
Nardole is the watcher

>>81293221
Bill is feisty and acts like a meme when she first enters the TARDIS

Also, what's the font called?

>>81293221
>Moff self-inserts into Capaldi for "I don't want to go Part 2"

>>81293232
Nardole is the Valeyard.

>>81293232
we want to actually get bingos anon

>>81293240
Colossalis BQ Regular

>>81293221
Daleks aren't threatening

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>>81293270
meant to post

The spoiler is John Simm.

>>81293246
Moffat confirmed 13th Doctor? Lots of sex scenes with River Song, which he claims are "essential" for the plot

I would kind of love a showrunner to cast themself as The Doctor, just for the sheer audacity of it

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2017-04-05/theres-a-very-definite-and-secret-reason-matt-lucass-nardole-returned-to-doctor-who

>tfw hes actually the watcher

>>81293291
Another bad Gattis story

>>81293293
With a beard. Honestly. Screencap this.

>>81293319
I was right. He was The Watcher all the time

>>81293319
>I hope I haven’t spoiled it for too many people
whelan btfo?

>>81292779
>Capaldi beat Matt Smith in the poll on that post

Doesn't surprise me. On FB etc, lots comments along the likes of "Capaldi almost but not quite my favourite Doctor. But my heart still belongs to Tennant's Doctor."

>>81293221
already-dated pop culture reference

or is that more of a RTD thing?

>>81293291
A sort of Bank Holiday Monday feel, the kind of Jules Verne, Edgar Rice Burroughs story of derring-do, which I’ve always loved

>>81293368
Dabbing is in the trailer so you can already tick this one.

>>81293221
Consistent, and annoying, use of "down with the kids" trends: emoji robots, dabbing, etc

>>81293221
characters make jokes about how the Cybermen look, in-show

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>>81293368
We already know it's happening thanks to the dab in the trailer but I'll let it slide

>>81293201
The other time war, from the novels, explicitly had that kind of fuckery going on, so why not?

The only problem is that there's too much fuckery, not too little. I mean, after Unnatural History the question of the Doctor's "actual" age doesn't even make sense. And even less so after The Ancestor Cell, when he's no longer even a Time Lord or Gallifreyan, and has no memory of or even real continuity with any of those 17 contradictory pasts.

>>81293319
It's clearly a River thing.

>>81293360
Fuck yes

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>>81293388
>Bill and 12 contract spectrox toxaemia

>>81293388
Trump reference/brexit stab

>>81293395
in that case we could simply go with the semi-canon in-show explanation "the doctor has forgotten his exact age"

to be fair, if you were travelling between different timezones/worlds all the time, unless you were really autistic about it you'd probably lose track

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>>81293427
just put that one in myself, should it be trump/brexit specific or just "jab at real world politics"?

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Did anyone else notice the "star in her eye"? "Her" being Heather.

>>81293427
I'll raise you one, there will be an episode whose events are a brexit analogy, the implication being that brexit is a mistake

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>>81293458
comics already did that

>>81293447
I was going to say world politics, but decided to narrow it down to the more likely ones.

>>81293456
good eye

>>81293456
Valeyard confirmed

>>81293456
A Star in Her Eye is a way better title than The Pilot

>>81293304
what writer from any period would make the best Showrunner/Doctor combo?

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>>81293468
they're both equally likely and I don't think it's worth using up two squares for it

>>81293502
Bill is super-special and The Most Important Girl In The Universe (since the last one)

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The Doctor: It's the end, but the moment has been prepared for...

Bill: So he was The Doctor all the time!

>>81293484
No it's not.

>>81293547
It's going to happen folks

>>81293319
Didn't Moff say awhile back that Nardole is 'the key to everything" or something similar?

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>>81293533
I pulled a switcheroo on that one, imo moff's trying to make bill as normal as possible rather than a snowflake know-all

>>81293502
Susan appears
Bill is from Mondas
Bill becomes a Cybermen

>>81293570
No you're thinking of George Lucas in relation to Jar Jar

>>81293599
don't we already know there's a photo of susan on 12's desk?

>>81293593
A fuck ton of references/nods to the classic series

>>81293616
yeah but I meant the actual character returning

>>81293593
I don't believe it, but I want to. I don't know whats wrong with a companion having adventures and that's it

>>81293458
Doctor Who has always been extremely clear with its political leaning (hint: they're liberals) and honestly, this was the same show that was telling Margaret Thatcher to fuck off back in the 1980s or criticizing the purpose of the Battle of Culloden other than as a means of justifying England's imperialistic designs even within the UK.

>>81293593
>>81293626
archive footage used

>>81293533
Nah, Bill is super-ordinary. This time, Nardole will be The Most Important Humanoid in the Universe.

With a robot body, so the Cybermen won't bother trying to convert him.

>>81293593
Regeneration fake-out

IE a moment or scenario when it seems like the Doctor might regen, but it's a trick or decoy etc (Stolen Earth cliffhanger, Impossible Astronaut, Name of the Doctor)

>>81293696
That's sort of cheating too since we've already seen that in the trailer.

>>81293737
We know that's a fakeout do we?

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>how Simm looked in February 2017

Remember this.

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>>81293779

>>81293779
>still locked in the time war
lol

>>81293779
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa1FWHJPgt8

Not from Dr Who, but can confirm this was Simm in early 2017. I bet he's back for a cameo.

>yfw simm kills dalton and we get a dalton regeneration into sumpter too

>John Simm appears
>No Dalton
>12 talks to a photo of Susan in The Pilot

You're welcome.

>>81293840
It's real.
Get hype.

Getting new thread

>>81293626
what would be the metric to determine when a fuckton has been reached and the thing can be ticked off?

>>81293877
At least one classic nod/reference in every episode.

>>81293876
make it about simm

>>81293747
Most likely.

>>81293779
Someone tweet this to GirlyLetters

>>81293933
Actually I think it might not be a fake out.
Could lead into the Christmas.

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>>81293909
I second this.

>>81293876
Simm appreciation thread please

>>81293877
A photo/archive still from the classic series is visible on-screen at all times in some way - posters hanging in the background, images on computer screens, reflections in The Doctor's sunglasses,

>>81293779
>Returning, returning, returning, it is slowly returning through the dark and the fire and the blood. Always returning, returning to this world. It is returning, and he is returning, and they are returning, but too late.

>>81293957
I must be misunderstanding what fakeout means in this context then. Surely a regen that starts at the end of an episode but is concluded at the end of a different episode is a fakeout?

>>81293968
The Doctor walks around with a cutout photo of Hartnell stapled to his face all season

>>81293998
all of his lines, rather than being spoken by capaldi, are mashups of archive audio

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>>81293876
Soz dudes, made it already