1984

>the United Kingdom

lolololol

they should screen it 24/7

THAT'LL SHOW EM

>>81265125
All they will accomplish is destroying themselves.

>croatia

cucks

>>81265125
How ironic.
Its also a shit adaptation.

Trying to remind us what America would have been under Hillary. I'm grateful alright Trump supporters you don't have to twist my arm with a showing of this mediocre adaptation. Julia is pretty cute in it though.

>>81265125
>tfw they're not screening it where I life.
I want to see this movie.

>>81265125
Don't these idiots know that 1984 is about the dangers of extreme liberalism and how PC culture can destroy everything

But 1984 is about a globalist authoritarian government using marxist left-wing tactics to oppress the population.
Are they so detached from reality?

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>>81265125
>Movie/book about totalitarian communism and government spying
>after Obongo's presidency, one which will be marked by extreme civil surveillance
>to protest Trump

WEWLAD

I don't know why Trump triggered this sentiment when Bush and Obongo were spying on American citizens and have tried to paint a whistleblower as a traitor.

>>81265251
yes

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>>81265125
Someone should screen Brave New World. Oh wait, they won't, because that's actually reality now and not the boogieman "big brother" everyone's been programmed to be afraid of.

>>81265251
>marxist left-wing
thats a weird way to spell fascist right-wing

>>81265125
>the left using 1984 to protest against Trump
>when they're the ones that want to shut anything ghat disagrees with them
What could they possibly have mean by this?

>>81265277
because he's literally mexico's hitler

>>81265302
>because that's actually reality now
Have you read the book?

>>81265125
Oh my god, wait till Trump hears about this. He's going to be so blown the fuck out LOL.

>, and

NO

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>>81265317
ebix

>>81265317
whatever, it is a horseshoe

>>81265302
10/10 would read that comic again. Brought up some interesting points, I should give Brave New World a read

>>81265125
We have always been at war with Donald Trump

>>81265125
Wait till the liberals get to the part about controlling language

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>>81265317

>Fascist right wing state distributes state-produced porn and gin to keep the masses docile

>>81265338
Actually, I've only read the book, I haven't seen the movie.

Have you looked outside?

fun fact: 1984 was funded partially by the CIA as anti-Soviet proppergandhi

They forgot worldwide dystopia in the novel was only made possible by the concentration of power among 3 superstates with the same goal

>>81265323
Wouldn't a Mexican Hitler be Mexican?

>>81265125
They meant that they ignored that the government has been ramping up spying on them for the past 8 years. It's only now a problem. You rayciss.

>>81265317
in what way was the Big Bro government fascist or right wing?

I'll wait

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>>81265125
1,984 screenings of what?

I hope they will show Trump during 15 minutes of hate scene.

>>81265251
>Are they so detached from reality?

Yes. It's kinda mind blowing if you think about it. The media is literally doing their own version of the 2 minute hate against Trump, anti-Russia / Eurasia propaganda and all, yet liberals lack the bare minimum self-awareness to even notice something this obvious. The left always wants to LARP as rebels, yet they are always the most mindless, useful idiots of the establishment.

>>81265351
He will be. He's a thin-skinned whiny little bitch. Haven't you noticed?

DUDE I DON'T LIKE THE GOVERNMENT, THAT'S SO 1984

>>81265403

It was written in 1938, CIA was created in 1947

Fucking white people and their obsession with Orwell.

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>>81265431
Mein nigga, ya got me good

>>81265412
>actually thinks there were 3 superstates
>actually thinks there was a war
Way to miss the fucking point senpai

>>81265403
Made up bullshit: everything this faggot just posted.

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More like in honor of Trump.

He saved us from the lefty controlled media.

>>81265435
They'd unironically start hissing and booing and howling with anger and at the end of the movie, still none of them would make the connection.

>>81265125
>the left spent the last 8 years attempting to usher 1984 into reality
>once they lose elections they go full victim
I guess the irony is left of them

>>81265472
What do white people have to do with any of this? Go race bait in >>/pol/

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>>81265317
It's almost as if labels like "Marxist," "fascist," "left-wing," and "right-wing" are so overused they can be applied to almost anything

>>81265302
That comic makes some poigiant points, but misses the main thing: Orwell didn't fear things described in 1984, he just took Stalinism and package it into a story.
maybe 1984 feels outdated, because after the fall of Soviet Union, it actually is. And at least some parts of Brave New World still resonante today. But then again, where's eugenics -one of the corner stone of BNW?

>it's another thinly-veiled /pol/ thread
Is it really that hard for you faggots to stay in your containment board? Why are you posting on /tv/ anyway? You should know by now that art is inherently liberal. Why don't you cucks go talk about white genocide or something?

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>triggered trumpkuks

kek

Wasn't 1984 about communism though

>>81265125
Probably bc the donald and his cabinet are fascist doublespeaking niggers.

>>81265317
>I don't understand political ideologies

redditors really need to leave

>>81265471
the movie not the book, isn't that what we're discussing here?
>>81265486
prove me wrong. It's true

>>81265403
>t. infowars historian

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>>81265251
What? People don't know what they're even fighting for or talking about? WHAT MADNESS IS THIS, ANON?

>not Brazil

>>81265553
The methods of the governnment in 1984 are outdated, not their goal and their use of propaganda and censoring language. That's as topical today as ever.

>>81265560
Hi plebbit, welcome to 4chan. Enjoy your stay.

Is Croatia just bored or something?

>>81265560
Never been to /pol/, I just thought the MOVIE 1984 being brought up again was relevant to the "television and film" board.

>>81265577
Yes it was.
Now I don't really know what they - the people screening this - are trying to convey, but it's hard to tie Trump into this. Unless it's about net-neutrality, which was just revoked. But I'm not sure how much did Trump actually had to do with it, it's more that he just let it happen, than actually wanting it to happen.

>>81265429
It exercised totalitarian control over all aspects of public life? It emphasized complete obedience to the authority of the state? It heavily utilized nationalist propaganda and intertwined 'the state' with 'the nation'?

Am I the only one who still remembers the phrase "free peach" that was trending maybe a year? One could almost say this was "memory holed", huh?

>>81265553
You've got a point there, but creating an artificial genetic hierarchy is pretty much the only step we need to take before we've gone full BNW. Just about everything else is already here

>>81265590
infowars is not pro-Soviet, dolt.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2889679

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/03/18/books/how-the-cia-played-dirty-tricks-with-culture.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/authors/how-cia-brought-animal-farm-to-the-screen/

>>81265577
It was about totalitarianism.
Have none of you read the book? O'Brien literally states that both the German Nazis and Russian Communists came close to the Party in their methods, but didn't realize the nature of their motives, which is to maintain strict social control.

If you honestly think 1984 was a takedown of a specific regime, you completely missed the point.

>>81265617
What's with this meme that everything Hitler ever said was wrong?

>>81265626
Doublespeak turned out be really relevant.

>>81265586
>Trump's cabinet is full of white people
>Trump's cabinet is full of niggers

Pick one

I really hate it. I don't know why it's happening in the UK.

But I'm not going to complain against it. Don't correct your opponent when he's making a mistake. They're just dooming themselves. 1984 could apply to right or left. Orwell himself based it on the bullshit of the left and was clever enough to show why it's attractive to people if you switched it to the right.

>>81265617
That quote was said Gregor strasser who believed hitler was socialist you fucking idiot. Do you believe everything Facebook tells you

>>81265429
1984 is a good example of fascism because it shows a completely totalitarian dictatorship led by Big Brother. In fact, this dictatorship is so totalitarian that it forces nationalist ideas into the minds of its citizens through intense propaganda, completely unlimited surveillance and torture. While such fascist regimes as Hitler’s Germany and Mussolini’s Italy didn’t use such intense totalitarian techniques, in part due to a lack of technology, but also due to the fact that the rest of the world hadn’t devolved to such a state, as it has in 1984, they did institute similarly gruesome techniques, such as the mass killings in Nazi Concentration Camps. These aimed to similarly reduce anti-national sentiment, so as to reform a nation that purely supported Nazi ideals, as it seems Big Brother hopes to do.

>>81265302
>the scene from BNW where people get fucked up on drugs and watch cuck porn in cinema
Truly Huxley was a visionary

>>81265664
It isn't. The point is Antifa is far-left and regular goes out to "curb stomp Nazi's" when they're ideology matches to Hitler's own sentiments himself. People don't know what they're fighting for.

>>81265228
This makes it more autistic

>>81265125
God, this is such an indication how Trump won. How complacent and self-congratulatory the mainstream left is by doing nothing, but using a front as a means of "protest" in the loosest sense of the word in order to provoke some sort of change, without doing ANYTHING of value.

>>81265729
>It isn't

What isn't?

>>81265553
1984 works as a critique of totalitarianism in general, that's why it's somewhat relevant (though it gets exaggerated) in many situations where corrupt authorities overextend and abuse their power

>>81265617
>you believe in the same economic theory as someone
>therefore you agree with their extreme nationalism
what a stupid person
most niggers have better reasoning

>>81265125
Nice, I can't wait to let off all this pent up rage and hate after watching this movie. All these Trump hate pieces in the media just isn't enough for me.

>>81265650
>>81265700
BTFO

>>81265125
Celebrating the fact that the US are no longer slaves to a democrat nigger.

>>81265688
Strasser was still a Nazi. He might have been a Left-Wing Nazi, but he was still a Nazi. There was a reason his fellows got killed.

But even if that wasn't relevant, did you miss the point of my comment that people don't know what they're fighting for, or are you so fucking dense I'll have to explain that to you as well?

>>81265125
Mass media being a tool of the establishment party to the point where they were reporting on intelligence leaks from an Obama top aide and are now refusing to admit wrong doing is far more scary than Donald Trump to me.

>>81265729
Hitler's economic policies aren't the Nazi ideologies that Antifa protest. Do you have a brain?

>>81265125
That they didn't read 1984

>>81265567
>>81265560
Someone is triggered alright.

It doesn't seem to be the Plumpfkins who are terrified of discussion and bantz.

>>81265674
Nah, they're as black as they come. Their hearts and souls anyway, which is how a judge someone's niggardness.

>>81265166
>live in """GREAT""" Britain
>get filmed the entire way to the theatre
>WOOOOW FUCKING AMERICANS

>>81265553
Fucking this

1984 is NOT a warning story or some sorta tale meant to prevent communism. It's just a sardonic story of stalinism, depicting very well what it was and why it failed. Ditto for Animal Farm - Animal Farm is just a continuation of the point. It's like a guy trying to explain something to you and after he's done it, he also finds a very good parallel/example.

They're both about human nature more than anything else and how utopia is not possible because it implies complete selflessness and that discounts humans from achieving it.

Honestly, if Orwell were alive today he'd probably be heavily anti-liberal, because they're the ones going on about their utopian vision of a globalist world, which is exactly what the communists did.

>>81265396
yeah youre talking bollocks.

>>81265833
Well done. You just understood my point about people not knowing what they're fighting for.

>>81265674
Neither, his cabinet is full of Jews

>>81265277
Media didn't report that Obama was bad.
Sheep only know what to think based on what they are told.

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>>81265429
Maybe Im biased because Im Spanish and we have lived through a right-wing fascist totalitarian regime. But so happens that Orwen came here to fight along the republican (left-wing) side. You could probably refute anything I have to say about the novel so I'll just leave you a quote from Orwell himself

>The Spanish war and other events in 1936-37 turned the scale and thereafter I knew where I stood. Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it.

>>81265870
You're the one who doesn't understand what Antifa is fighting for.

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>>81265839
Well at least you don't judge people on the colour of their skin, keep being you anon

>>81265664
Hitler is literally pure evil, he was not a man but a devil who wanted to eradicate the enlightened chosen people of god
at least if the media is to be believed

>>81265855
Yes because everybody in the UK says WOOOOW FUCKING AMERICANS. Just like everybody in USA says WOOOW FUCK DRUMPF.

>>81265553
There's literally nothing wrong with eugenics

>>81265773
Sure I get that. But to me Trump administration doesn't feel like a mix of corrupt authorities and overextention of power. Or rather sure it's corrupt and tries to overextend its power, but it fails on many levels and is pretty much completely incompetent.

I feel some Kafka based movie or something by Terry Gilliam - like Brazil or 12 monkey would be a better way to warn us about Trump.

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>>81265868
No need to back that up with an actual argument. I'll just accept the fact that you're correct and move on.

>>81265729
>>81265870
actual retard
you're saying antifascists don't know what they're fighting for because a lot of them agree with Hitler on an unrelated topic

>>81265895
Because these groups throw around the word 'Nazi' a lot when shit isn't as black and white as they make it out to be.

>>81265926
>But to me Trump administration doesn't feel like a mix of corrupt authorities and overextention of power
Oh for sure, I'm not saying it's a valid comparison. I'm just saying I don't think 1984 is outdated.

>>81265125
They meant that the populace is already blind and subjugated.

>>81265947
ditto.

>>81265972
that's like saying you can't hate liberals because they believe in democracy just like you
fucking dumbass

>>81265972
Nobody said it was black and white. You are expected to use your brain. Everybody knows when they say nazi what they're talking about. Protip pal: it has nothing to do the nazi party's stance on socialism.

Oh the ironing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvGmOZ5T6_Y

>>81265948
>unrealted
Leftist cognitive dissonance detected.

>>81265478
There was 3 superstates though. I also never claimed the "wars" were legit ideological conflicts, but you're so ready to find something to feel superior about you just pulled something out of your ass.

>>81265972
You sound like a leaf

>>81265856
>Orwell were alive today he'd probably be heavily anti-liberal
So you're telling me that a person, who was socialist/anarchist back then, would somehow be against similar things now?
Sure he'd be the first to criticise neo-liberalism and its capitalisation of "identity politics" - that is, making money from pigeonholing everyone into few preconstructed identities, where they need to consume products x, y and z to prove they're true gamer/liberal/alt-right....

>>81265948
not him, but that's amazing mental gymnastics

>t-t-they're antifacist
>b-b--but this very important aspect of Hitler's reign, you know, the go to FASCIST is irrelevant!!!!!!

There are plenty of non-fascist leaders they could agree with, but no, they agree with the the literal textbook fascist. Therefore they aren't as anti-fascist as they thought.

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>>81266011

>>81265948
How is it unrelated? Hitler was a fascist. Saying his views on something is 'unrelated' is at best disingenuous and at worst and outright lie.

>I'm an anti-fascist!!!! But I agree with Hitler :^)

>>81266021
you're an idiot
people don't hate Hitler for his economic policy
people hate him for his extreme nationalism

>>81266051
>b-b--but this very important aspect of Hitler's reign
How is a quote, that wasn't even uttered by Hitler (in fact uttered by someone purged from the Nazi party upon Hitler's ascension to the Chancellorship) which is more of campaign bravado than concrete party policy, an 'important part of Hitler's reign'?

>>81265813
Pretty much this. Don't forget who granted media corporations a monoply on all things media: Mr. Bill "the rapist" Clinton.

>>81266018
>Everybody knows when they say nazi what they're talking about. Protip pal: it has nothing to do the nazi party's stance on socialism.

Fuck me this is mental gymnastics at it's best.

>When we say you're a Nazi, we just mean you're a racist!

But I've got it on DVD and it says nothing about elected leaders

>>81266111
Strassler wasn't purged though. He fled to Canada. Strassler was still a Nazi. Saying it's unrelated is not true.

>>81265948
Then what are antifascists fighting for? Apparently not limiting government's power if they're advocates for giving it more market control.

>>81265813
>>81266116

Don't forget the left cheer-leading for the deep state now as well, top kekek

Brave New World would be a more appropriate dystopian future

>middle school let out early today

>>81266161
>Trump
>elected
>has less percents in popular vote

>Croatia
>protesting Trump

Dude, what?

>>81265125
everything is a Trump protest now
>man throws chocolate milk down the drain to protest Trump

>>81265125
IT WAS WRITTEN BY A SOCIALIST AS A WARNING TO THE ENGLISH SOCIALIST PARTY ABOUT WHAT THEIR POLICIES WOULD EVENTUALLY LEAD TO.

Fucking fuck how does anyone think this applies to Trump or fascism or shit in anyway.

>>81265895
Antifa is just a meme movement financed and backed by Obama affiliates and the establishments super PACs in an attempt to delegitimize and undermine a democratically elected government

It was a movement that was mysteriously missing when Obama and democratically controlled congress made it perfectly legal to spy on and kill united states citizens who have been deemed a "threat".

If Antifa wasn't marching when Obama was making billion dollar deals with Iran, then the entire movement is a JOKE and has no relevance.

>>81265125

>implying Trump has enough about him to become Big Brother

>>81266041
>pigeonholing everyone into few preconstructed identities, where they need to consume products x, y and z to prove they're true gamer/liberal/alt-right
Have you ever read Nineteen-Eighty Four? That's what happens.

>>81265948
Then what are they attacking Nazi's for? Being racist? Those same Nazi's which had Africans in their armies? Why are they attacking Nazi's for?

>I HATE YOU AND AM KILLING YOU BUT I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH HITLER ON HIS ECONOMIC POLICIES AND IF YOU WEREN'T A RACIST, THE THING I'M ACTUALLY AGAINST, THEN WE'D BE FRIENDS! :D

Baffling.

>>81265855
British nanny state is a meme. Most of the cameras in Britain are owned and operated by private entities. Can't stop people filming their own property.

>>81265273

>after Obongo's presidency, one which will be marked by extreme civil surveillance
>blaming Obama for continuing what Bush started

delusional/10

>>81266236
As well inspired by the totalitarian groups of USSR and Franco-era Spain

>>81266273
I mis-hyphened, so sorry

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But we're already living in 1984.

>>81266273
That's why I said, he'd be criticising this.
He still wouldn't turn into alt-right or even fascist, but would stay leftist, as he was.

>>81266180
>>81266088
>>81266051
they're against the systematic ostracization of minority groups/poor people through nationalist rehtoric
I'm not even antifa I was originally commenting on that dumb fucking facebook post that implies two opposing ideologies can't overlap

>>81266168
I'm saying Nazi ideology was inchoate and you can find MANY things uttered by Nazis or intellectuals sympathetic to them which people on the left or the right might agree with, but that doesn't mean it's Nazi policy, as in, something the nazis actually worked towards to achieved.

So bringing up a quote about anti-bourgeois rhetoric from before the Nazis even achieved power that doesn't reflect what they actually did in power and then pointing to an anti-fascist who agrees with that anti-bourgeois sentiment does not mean that that particular person 'doesn't know what they're fighting for'.

>>81266293
>b-but bush do it too

Not an excuse to absolve your half breed nig prez from breaking the law, both bush and king nigger should be in prison

>>81265125
>croatia
>trump

why do they give a fuck?

>>81265125
Assuming this isn't fake news, they're a little late on this. By at least sixteen years.

>>81265650
yeah those never happened in communist societes

>mfw libshit clowns suddenly realize we're living in a dystopian police state when CNN and the astroturfed internet finally acknowledge it because a president got elected who isn't part of the illuminati

>>81266275
for purging Jews and anything anti German from their society
do you really think socialism is what people are upset with Hitler about?

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Next week: Ongoing screenings of Harry Potter and Star Wars, but featuring a new special effects feature that now Voldemort and Vader will both be wearing strange, familiar hairstyle.

>>81266318
That's not 1984, or even Orwellian
It's the passive acceptance of over a hundred million people because they're just too stupid to come together and collectively say "no"

>>81266408
Those qualities made up a substantial part of fascism so what's your point?

>>81265125
It's funny, because as much as an idiot Trump is, sjw's and lefties are much closer to 1984 than he is.

>>81266442
>what is astroturfing
>what is 70 years of counter-intelligence tactics

The people are not complacent, they are kept from uniting by secret police who disrupt and destroy any protest or movement of 30 people or more.

>>81266344
But that's the point, they can't overlap in the mind of Antifa. So you're basically saying that the overlap of Nazi's, as long as it's economic, it's 100% possible. But overlap of people wanting control of their nations borders isn't?

Which is it? Either there can be overlap and in which case, assuming anybody who voted Trump is a 'Nazi' is WRONG (not to mention illegal) and PATHETIC. Or there is no overlap possible and if that's the case then Antifa is just as bad as those they persecute.

>>81266344
That's funny, I would think the definition of antifascism would be fighting against fascism

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I can slightly, SLIGHTLY understand american theaters doing this. But why the fuck would you screen shit to protest leaders being elected in other fucking countries? Especially when it was 100% through the natural voting system that's been in place since whenever the fuck they formed it.

It's retarded

>>81266020
Sounds like what they have done to a lot of celebrities that didn't openly hate Trump.

>"Oy vey, Taylor Swift silence about Trump speak wonders!"

>>81266453
This, Trump is a right wing billionaire who doesn't believe in climate change, but SJW's are brainwashed hordes of cattle for the global deep state.

>>81265684
they say its happening in the uk but i cant find a single cinema showing it in london
or even mentioning it
shame
liberals almost gave me a chance to see it on the silver screen

>>81266439
I just Googled that assuming it was a quote from a article.

>>81266447
those qualities also made up a substantial part of soviet russia. totalitarianism is not a uniquely right wing political system

>>81266207
>Trump
>eats cereal
>eats Cheerios

>>81266529
>>what is astroturfing
I believe it's a permanent lawn treatment
Keep believing your crackpot horseshit you belter

>>81266428
But kicking out the jews was one of the good things Hitler did. Being a socialist however was pure faggotry.

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1984 is such a blatant rip off of yurope 1 it's disgusting

>>81266578
It's the same as how technically Man Down showed in UK and technically only one person saw it. But it was in one cinema... in Burnley. Most people in the UK are fed up with this shit.

>>81266550
Sweden and Canada are just liberal shitholes, U.K. is more 1984 than 1984, maybe it's some ironic joke for them, no idea about Croatia though, maybe they just want to be part of something, get some attention

>>81266576
On top of that, SJWs are one of the biggest enemies of free speech, and their beloved Hillary is a much shadier politician that Trump can ever be.

>>81266439
Hillary, and Bernie will also be edited in as the MCs. IT WAS OUR TURN AGAIN AND WE'RE GONNA SHOW YOU HOW IT'S DONE BY KICKING SOME ORANGE NAZI ASS

>>81266550
a lot of these countries leaders will meet with Trump. See how much backlash May got when she met with him a few months ago. Trudeau avoided any sort of flak because he didn't say anything disparaging during the campaign and afterwards, and how he shut-down Trumps weird handshake ritual

>>81265650
So LITERALLY every socialist nation ever?

>>81265528

>he thinks the Dems are the Left and not the Center Right that they are

Whew lad

>>81266588
Let's follow the chain of replies
>in what way was the Big Bro government fascist
>(me) list of qualities of fascist government that overlap with the government in 1984
>(you) whataboutism

So what's your point? You're not disputing that fascism has those qualities and those qualities are present in the government from 1984.

>>81266659
BERNIE AS SLAVE LEIA

i really hope they pay close attention to the parts about manipulating language (2+2 = 5, "girls can have penises too")

im sure itll fly right over their head though

>>81266680
Trudeau is basically a laughing stock in Canada now. Atleast to whoever I talk to. I still can't believe some retarded nigger was yelling that he's a white supremacist in Toronto. Even his own coloured people he bends over backwards for hate him

>>81265378
fuck off Huxley shill

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>1984 almost perfectly mirrors Communist Russia under Stalin
>This is somehow relevant to Trump or USA at all

>>81266704
All major political parties are economically left wing

>>81265317
You need to type in all caps like this to convey your point

FASCIST RIGHT WING HITLERS

>>81266746
Not really. He's had his gaffes but they've still got a lot of supporters. Had two by-elections yesterday and both were liberal wins.

His image is hurt by the stupid election reform kerfuffle, but considering how he'll be approaching legalisation he's still seen as favourable.

>>81266780
>shill
>for the author of a book I've never read

Sounds about right

>>81266637
>Most people in the UK are fed up with this shit.
what shit?
films being shown in cinemas?
give over mate

>>81265617

>we are socialists, we are enemies of the capitalistic ecnomic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, WITH IT IS UNFAIR SALARIES

WITH IT IS UNFAIR SALARIES

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME

HOW HARD IS IT. TO FUCKING PROOF READ

if this was a random facebook status from some pleb tard nobody i wouldn't get this mad but when it's a le reposted hitler may may did no one in this ant colony known as facebook see this error? are they all collectively retarded? i lost what little faith i had

how is this a protest against Trump when it was Obama that expanded the NSA and mass surveillance?

>>81265125

"hate speech"

fuck leftism

>right wing facism and left wing facism are virtually identical in the end
Really makes you think.

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>>81265856
>>81265553
>>81265394
>>81265251
>>81265228
>>81265273
>>81265577
>>81265645
>>81266236
>>81266785


As its been already said ITT (and conveniently ignored), Orwell wrote 1984 with a right-wing fascist totalitarian regime in mind. Even George himself SAID SO

>>81265650
So literally USSR?

>>81265673

>Doublespeak turned out be double plus relevant.

ftfy

Their lack of self-awareness is double+ungood

>>81265302
What's weird is that several other books (not by Orwell or Huxley) that have some resonance in our society today. Such as 'Stand On Zanzibar' has a huge plot point of massive immigration, and hook-up culture.

>>81266876

he said it was based on marxism leninism you absolute fucking troglodyte

he hated marxists after seeing what happened in the spanish civil war

>people too busy looking for Big Brother to see the Brave New World around them

Really makes me stink.

>>81266861
They're getting desperate now that it looks like Obama's going to jail.

>>81266916
>marxists
I'm pretty sure he hated stalinists.

>>81266876
>right-wing fascist totalitarian regime
Obvious to anyone who has actually read the book, most of these cunts are shitposting as usual. There's no insightful discussion here

Is antifa the new gamergate?

This shit is all over 4chan now

>>81266916
Goldstein was Trotsky
It was based on Stalinism you absolute fag

>>81266922
>posted from an iphone with his thumb print recorded for 'security reasons'

>>81266576
Are you implying that climate change is part of a "deep state" conspiracy?


because that's completely false in all kinds of regards

>>81266916
how can you be so fucking stupid? He was leftist and he went to spain to LITERALLY kill right-wing faggots like you

>>81266952
meant to quote: >>81266876

>>81265650
that is what marxists want though you fucking idiot.

>>81266876
You have to understand right wing & left wing meant very different things back then

Orwell was very pro gun & wanted the governments off our backs, so today he would be right leaning

>>81265125
but 1984 is a communist police state...do they want to bring every last one trumps side ?

>>81266939
I've read it, and a lot of the tactics Ingsoc uses is analogous to the far-left tactics of today. As well as the breaking down of individuality and free thought.

It's a criticism of authoritarianism purely, absolutely. The irony are the ones who are saying "Trump is BB" ignored their own side doing this shit

>>81266974
did something happen after that?

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>>81265855
>>81265910
>THE FUCKING AMERICANS

>>81266965
Yes. If climate change was such a big deal, why haven't we switched to nuclear power already?

>>81266961
I work with a guy who doesn't want to use the clock-in fingerprint scanner because "fuck 'em, I use my fingerprints for my phone, I'm not letting them have it"
They already have your name, address, P45 and national insurance number you faggot

>>81266974
I hope this is bait, but it is widely known that Orwell used to believe in communist ideals, which is why he fought in the spain, only to realise that commies are even worse than right wingers.
Read a book, nigger.

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>>81267008
Lefties are brazenly pro commie

>>81266699
>>81266879
>>81266990
Please refrain from whataboutisms. see >>81266713

>>81266949
>Is antifa the new gamergate?
I don't know.
I'd say it's more like feminism.
That is it's pretty old thing, anti-fa goes back to the 80's in Germany, but has been turned into a new boogeyman for 4chan to be afraid.

>>81266996
no way fag, he would still want the Republic to come back, he would be more red than your sisters cunt

>>81265700
The problem is that communism would have the exact same outcome.

what the fuck i am falling in love with hillary clinton and bernie sanders as of this moment

>>81266363

Obama wasn't MY President, you retard.

Even though you say they should both be in prison (which is something I somewhat agree with) the original post absolved Bush by his omission. Stop sucking dicks and telling half truths and fuck off back to your containment board.

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>>81265125
Good, we will not let dr*mpf stand in the way of progress.

>>81265553
>>81265856
i'd like to point out real quick that 1984 was about another bolshevik style uprising in the USA which lead to ingsoc taking over the UK and opposing the Russian/European Stalinists.

>>81266428

>Hitler was a Socialist meme

This needs to end

>>81266680
>weird handshake ritual
Is this honestly what pussies call a firm handshake? LOL holy fuck you guys just feel inferior 24 hours a day huh? Maybe it's all that media you ingest

>>81267047
Now that's ironic.
You want me to read a ministry of truth approved book that conviniently distorted what the author of 1984 said or did in his life?

>>81267057
This is what you do when you have no argument. You see the connection, but you are trying to ignore it.

>>81265186
Bet you a roasted lamb it's being screen in Rijeka

>tfw the only way to escape this rampant degeneracy and nigger acceptance is by leaving this planet
Come on Elon, we have to colonize.

>>81266876
>Even George himself SAID SO

You're going to need a source for that.

>>81266974

Yes, he was a socialist and fought in the Spanish civil war, but if you read Homage to Catalonia he writes about how he was disgusted about many aspects of communism, particularly the USSR and Stalin. The Spanish socialists also had a lot of infighting between them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_Days

>>81266833
>he's still seen as sexually attractive
Fixed that for you.
Banning women voters when?

>>81266916
marxist-leninist =/= marxists

>>81267047
He was still a socialist after the war, dumbass. He hated authoritarianism, which is what communism is.

>>81267027
*is a big deal* its still happening. Fossil fuel industry and coal companies are still pushing for their industry to succeed. And cmon man, you probably know how people react when they hear the word "nuclear" they instantly think of Nagaski, Cherynoble etc. and not the benefits it presents

>>81266680
>strong handshake is a "weird handshake ritual"
holy fuck, at least HIDE the fact you're en effeminate male.

>>81266939
I have read it and it is a warning to people about socialism going out of control.
Your own post would be worthy of the ministry of truth.

>>81266874
Except it's a lot easier to fight right wing fascism, they have the decency to tell you who they are.

>>81267191
I dont know man, but the best souce on an authors political opinions are usually his own works.
Such as Orwells "Homage to Catalonia".
If you want to open up the entire
>everything that contradicts my opinion is just false evidence created by the evil government
can of worms, i wont stop you, i just wont bother talking to you.

>>81267200
I've made my argument, you've done nothing but use whataboutism to avoid addressing it.

If you agree that 'fascism has those qualities [>>81265650] and those qualities are present in the government from 1984', then we have no contention.

>>81267275
No, it's a warning about communism going out of control. Orwell was an anti-communist socialist.

>>81267250
>He was still a socialist after the war
Where did i indicate anything that contradicts that, you retarded nigger?
Honestly, try actually reading the post, multiple times if necessary, before making such a redundant post.

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>>81267163
>>81267268
He has the habit of jerking peoples arm which isn't natural in a handshake you triggered Trumptards, stop protecting your lover-er I mean "leader"

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>>81265560
>art is inherently liberal
What is traditionalism?

>>81266858
Did you know the first grammer Nazi was Hitler's speech writer?

>>81266611
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird
This is just the things we know.

>>81267289
Right wing fascism is about taking pride in what you are and hating anything that you consider to be inferior to you, while left wing fascism is hating yourself and everyone that isnt as miserable as you are.

>>81267340
The point of contention is whether or not Orwell hated right-wing fascists after the war, which he most certainly did. He just also started hating left-wing authoritarians in addition to the right-wing ones, and wouldn't like anyone who espouses /pol/front views.

>>81265317
oxymoron

>>81265560
>You should know by now that art is inherently liberal
>movies
>art

>>81267349
Have you literally never shook a grown man's hand? Are you a woman?

>>81265125
>Sweden
Why does the MSM lie all the time?

>>81265317
>>81266876
Do you think Animal farm is about right-wing fascism as well?

>>81265125
>200 theaters across 4 countries
>almost 41000 theater screens across 4000 locations in the US alone
DRUMPF BTFO

>>81267453
What can't come up with an actual argument, and rather go for a disparaging comment. Your IQ level must be below 56.

You're just spare parts aren't ya bud?

>>81267302
Im saying that he joined the leftist forces in Spain to fight the totalitarian regime and you are ignoring this biographic prooven fact in order to twist his written words so they match your bias that he was against communist all along. I think its clearly you who falls into the profile in your green text

I also assume you've got nothing to say about this quote from Orwell himself: >>81265893

>>81267398
I think its fairly obvious that 1984 was about about totalitarianism in general.
Right wing totalitarianism and left wing totalitarianism end up being pretty much the same thing in the end.

>>81267241
Wrong.

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>>81267314
There is practically no difference between the two

>>81267490
Animal Farm is an allegory of the Russian revolution, but 1984 is meant to skewer all forms of authoritarianism, both right and left wing. Most retards can't seem to grasp the idea that Orwell might have criticism for both sides.

>>81267512

the only difference being a left wing society is impossible without totalitarianism

>>81267554
There clearly was a difference to Orwell, since he remained a committed socialist until the day he died.

>>81267514
leninism was a form of implementing marxist communism

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All this talk about facism makes me question if I got the meaning right
Isn't Facism supposed to be an ideology where the state takes priority over all, the people act in a collective manner and the state is ketp healthy throught military expansionism?

>>81267511
It seems you're conveniently ignoring his changing opinion on communism following his experiences during the civil war.
It basically went like this
>be Orwell, thing gommunism is preddy gud
>fight in spain
>realise that your fellow gommies are just as bad the niggers you're fighting
>realise that extremism toward either end is retarded
There you go, i saved you the trouble of actually reading a book for once in your life.

>>81265125
Why the fuck would they want to use an allegory against the marxist far leftist authoritarianism?

>>81267509
I'm just asking a simple question, men tend to shake each others hands vigorously sometimes. It's just what we do.

I can't think of anyone aside from women and pussies that would take offense to this. Dont you have uncles? Have you never met one of your dad's buddies?

>hey son this is my pal Glenn
>me and your old man go way back kiddo, put er there
>ouch dad he shook my arm
>you call that a handshake? What you been teaching this boy?
>hahaha go on son, your mother's making dinner

???????? This is pretty standard shit for men

>>81267568
You could force equity, something the ''left'' seems to want.
But then again is that a left wing thing or something new?
I hate the simple left/right thing, terrible for discussing politics

>>81266876
>and conveniently ignored
No, everyone called you out on being a dumbass.

Will leftists realize it's about them?

>>81267645
It's not that he disliked the extremism; he disliked authoritarianism.

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>>81267550
It reminds me of this pic.

>>81267624
No, in Fascists countries people make fun and outright insult the elected leader 24/7 on tv and on the internet.

>Newspeak is the language of Oceania, a fictional totalitarian state ruled by the Party, who created the language to meet the ideological requirements of English Socialism (Ingsoc).

Racism not discriminating based on race, it is power + prejudice.
The word "mankind" is patriarchal. Gender neutral words are mandatory.
Illegal aliens are called "undocumented dreamers".

>>81267601
Orwell quote
>socialism as I understand it

Today's socialism is what he would be against and is exactly what he wrote about in 1984

>>81267624
Basically yes, fascism is usually about an overpowered state led by a single group of people or entity.
So you could have a dictator at the head, or a group of people like china for example.

>>81265893
>Im Spanish and we have lived through a right-wing fascist totalitarian regime

>Being born after Franco's death
>Not understanding that it was merely authoritarian and not totalitarian

I don't get why Spain demonizes Franco so much. To be honest you dodged a bullet. You were damned close to going full blown commie/soviet and instead of allowing that to happen Franco took the reins, kept order and had you ready be a full fledged Western European democracy within a few decades. Meanwhile everywhere the cause he opposed triumphed became a fucking disaster area and still hasn't recovered. When it comes to romanticizing the losers of a civil war and pretending that the bad guys won you guys manage to beat out even the American South.

>>81266965
No, I was pointing out things wrong with Trump, and then stated the alternative. Climate change is real obviously.

>>81267718
What is "today's socialism"? Because genuine socialism is rarely talked about in America, and even the so called "extreme left" is more interested in identity politics than the class struggle, and almost everything is framed within a corporate mindset.

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>>81267758
the modern left are useful idiots

>>81267624
Close enough. Primacy of the nation, absorption of the private sphere into the public sphere (replacing private organizations with state-sponsored ones), rejuvenation of the people through war, anti-cosmopolitan, anti-immigrant, anti-communist, emphasis on security and the presence of existential threats to the nation both foreign and domestic

>>81267786
How is that an answer to my question?

>>81267718
Yes, let's all speak on behalf of a long-dead man. Just because he was an author, that doesn't mean he could speak for himself
You faggots make me sick

>>81267758
>Because genuine socialism is rarely talked about in America
because it doesn't work and nobody is dumb enough to try to implement it again?

>>81267691
I'd argue that extremism is always bound to result in authoritarianism.

>>81267738
>I don't get why Spain demonizes Franco so much
maybe because you could get a bullet in your barin or sent to jail if you said something he or his friends didnt like? Among MANY other reasons.

>>81267685
Never. Projection is a core trait of a leftist.

God I hate living in the UK. The same people here screaming about 1984 are the same ones that are ok with the police jailing you for posting wrongthink on twitter and Facebook.

>>81267807
Not an answer. I asked what "today's socialism" is.

>>81267799
its the answer to this thread

>>81267561
Nice confirmation bias, cuck. Laughing at the mental gymnastics you performed to convince yourself that animal farm wasn't strictly about communism.

>>81267663
You've misunderstood. I'm not putting down handshakes, only his, which is irregular. He pulls people towards him vigourously, not just shaking their hands.

??????????????? or is reading comprehension too tough for you

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>>81266790

>the Republicans are economically left wing while giving huge tax cuts to millionaires and cutting social spending like it's going out of fashion

Whew lad, that's some double speak you have there.

>>81267825
No, projection is a core trait of all ideologues, both right and left wing. All I ever see is left wing retards and right wing retards projecting their own insecurities and shortcomings onto the other side and vilifying the other side for behavior that they themselves take part in. It's like watching two retards fling shit at each other.

>>81267792
Communism has always ended up becoming facism in the end though.
>inb4 but my perfect form of communism

>>81265125
they want hilary

>>81267836
depende on the country you live in but universal tax-payed health care would be a starting point

>>81267806
>>81267758


>incsoc
>English socialism

Pretty straight forward

>>81267857
>Animal Farm is about the Russian revolution
Which was a Communist revolution, retard. How is saying that Animal Farm is about the Russian revolution not saying that it's strictly about communism? Your reading comprehension is at a second grade level.

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>>81267885
>unlike me, the enlightened, calm, and handsome moderate

Thanks for your worthless input.

>>81267883
>antagonizing the people you would want voting for your party hasnt worked this election
>so the logical consequence is to antagonize them further
How can anyone possibly think this way?

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>>81266876
>Right-wing

They're literally socialists

>>81267947
IT'S NOT REAL SOCIALISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>81265251
Yes

>>81267914
>buttblasted ideologue detected
stay mad, sperglord. keep being an extreme-minded doofus and wondering why more people won't listen to you.

>>81265125
the usual suspects trying to make themselves fell better while europe implodes around them..

>>81267863
Which is entirely normal for men, so I will restate my question. Are you a woman or a pussy?

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>>81267976
>I have no ideas, everyone is dumb except for me!

Like I said, worthless.

>>81267697
Hes gonna be waiting a long time, because 90% of refugees are young men

>>81267947
>a black hand and white hand shaking hands
What did they mean by this?

>>81267511
>Im saying that he joined the leftist forces in Spain to fight the totalitarian regime
But he also was deeply disillusioned with the experience, so much that he went on to write Animal Farm which is a direct attack on the Left.

Paul Fussel writes a good bit about Orwell's 1984 in his book wartime. In it he makes the argument that although modern readers are apt to attribute the basic themes to the USSR or fascism that the closest model for the book from Orwell's life was his time working for the BBC during WWII and that Orwell and a lot of other people were bothered by the UK at the time of the war developing tendencies that mirrored those of the totalitarianism they were committed to fighting.

>>81267976
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o49cGq9UUBY

>>81268031
(((The Party))) encourages misery in all forms

>>81268030
nah trust me they look 30 but they're really 14

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>>81267947

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>>81268013
no its not you fucking mongoloid. Show me, show me more examples of other people exhibiting the same "technique" as he employs.


You know, you don't have to defend everything he does. think for yourself...if you can think at all

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>mfw retards tell me Starship Troopers is a critique of "fascism" yet the humans in ST are a proud, strong, and victorious species that totally BTFO the evil bug monsters

>>81268018
Having no ideas is not the same as being so sure that all of your ideas are right that you base your entire life and social circle around whether or not people agree with you. People like you are just arrogant simpletons who are incapable of fathoming that others might have different perspectives that are just as worthwhile as yours, and that's the real problem with SJW-types like you.

>>81267836
It's mass immigration, tolerance (thought crime), equal rights (that leads to inequality I.e diversity/sex quoters), high taxes, government interference on everyday life, endless warfare to "liberate" counties with a different view.
Pretty much everything described in 1984

threads saging, cant wait to do it all over again in the next one

>>81268109
But those are the views of the mainstream Democratic party, which is a corporate-run entity, and thus inherently anti-socialist. Try again.

>>81268106
uh huh

>>81268081
Go ask the first ten men you come across if it's normal. I've had multiple people do this over the course of my life, hell I've even had girls do it. It is 100% normal, and you're just a pussy

>>81268109
Not to forget 24 hour surveillance

>>81267758
America is Socialist, every Western country is, even the Republicans are, sure they might cut back Tyrone's welfare check so he can't buy a new pair of Jordan's, but they make up with it by spending extra on the military for example.

The Modern Left hides behind the word Socialism because it's safer than admitting they are Communists & Marxists

>>81267554

Ameritards actually believe this crap.

>>81268103
The reason why ST is a dystopia is because of their complete lack of empathy.
Empathy being the one big thing that allowed us to advance to being the top of the foodchain.

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>>81268164
Yeah, Democrats are big on surveillance. Obama is going to jail, lads!

>>81268059
>Ideologies take spine
lol ideologies are the absolute easiest thing to fall into.
Not to defend the centristcucks.

>>81268150
Great rebuttal. I can see your lifetime of combativeness has truly paid off in your ability to form coherent arguments.

>>81268140
I'm not American I was referring to my country which have these policies under socialist run parties.

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>>81268199
>empathy

???????

How do you use empathy on a hostile alien species that literally fired asteroids onto your homeworld? I'd like to see you use some your "empathy" on this screeching motherfucker.

>>81268244
>I'm not American
opinion discarded

>>81268103
im gona edit some meme comic 4u brb

>>81267718
>Today's socialism
He didn't even have to wait for today. There were forms of socialism that he was against then. Most of the later half of the 20th century had deep conflicts on the left between the organized socialist parties and subversive groups.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_socialism

>>81268140
>USA is the world
Europe has these scum too.

>>81265125
Obama is the one who expanded domestic spying on everyone, people use 1984 to protest Trump can't make this shit up

>>81268203
I'm surprised no one mentioned gchq (british spy building) get funding from us intelligence agencies to spy on American citizens, it was big news a few years ago.
So trump being spied on via gchq is highly probable.

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>>81268324
This

Obama prosecuted the most journalists of all presidents. He's a fucking authoritarian monster.

>>81267910
>1984 is meant to skewer all forms of authoritarianism
Which is a fucking lie.

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How long until 1984 and Brave New World become banned books in universities?

>>81268291
>USA is the world
But it is. I may be a socialist, but I'm that doesn't make me unable to see that America is the greatest country on Earth, and that the rest of the world should shut the fuck up when we're talking. You people mean nothing; only America matters.

>>81268275
Please don't send me to the ministry of love

>>81267733
>Basically yes, fascism is usually about an overpowered state led by a single group of people or entity.
That's not how fascism conceives of itself. It sees itself as being based on using the state as a mediator between the social classes so that the society doesn't rip itself. The fascists aren't alone in this. Stalin criticised the SPD (social Democrats) as being "red fascists" because rather than promoting a proletarian seizure of power like the KPD (communists) did, the SPD felt that parliamentary democracy could be used to reconcile the interests of Labor and Capital.

>>81268405
>be american
>get shot

>>81268384
Stop moving the goalposts. Animal Farm is 100% about communism, but 1984 is 100% about authoritarianism.

>>81268442
*leftist authoritarianism

>>81268433
>be European
>get shot by Muslim extremists
>can't shoot back

>>81268036
>But he also was deeply disillusioned with the experience, so much that he went on to write Animal Farm which is a direct attack on the Left.
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly against totalitarianism and for democratic Socialism as I understand it."
He said this in 1946.

>>81268477
>le 52% face

>>81268453
No you see Trump is Authoritarian, because he said something mean on Twitter

Just ignore all the Authoritarian lefties like Stalin who sent people to the Gulag for looking at him the wrong way

>>81268453
see
>>81267885
Right wing and left wing authoritarianism are virtually identical, and both completely cancerous.

>>81268260
You use empathy to band together in a group, to recruit people into said group, to develop weapons that you know are going to hurt the enemy because you cant have cruelty without empathy.
And after a couple thousand years your empathy has developed so far that you have an army willing to die for one another, able to take out other armies with extreme prejudice.