Trek

>>81258442
7of9 was the only thing people liked about Voyager so they thought they'd add another 'all tits and no substance' character to Star Trek to keep it from failing horrendously.

It didn't work.

I still fapped to her.

>>81259541
>so they thought they'd add another 'all tits and no substance' character

Seven did have substance, though.

>>81258442
she should be more vulcan and less human
she's too emotional, eventhough it should be restricted to some occasional, important moments

T'Pol is one of the better characters on Enterprise, and I say this as someone who actually liked Enterprise.

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I think I am going to give Enterprise a shot, I hear polarizing opinions on here. Some people hate it to death, some people say its the best series. I just gotta judge for myself.

>>81258442
T'Pol was alright. The two worst characters were the black guy and the british guy. Black guy was just boring and the british guy was weirdly all over the place in terms of characterization, seemed like every other week he switched from cool and competent to kind of autistic.

>>81258442

Enterprise fucked up Vulcans instead of doing them justice

>>81259976
it has constant ups and downs throughout to the end, some people will tell you that S3 and 4 get a lot better etc. but that's bullshit

but the series as a whole is okay for the most part

>>81258442
Personally I liked T'pol. A good excuse to give some more characterization to the Vulcans. I liked watching her come to a begrudging respect of humanity that developed into a genuine friendship.

I didn't hate the blatant fanservice either.

>>81259646
It was going to be revealed in season 5 that she is half Romulan or something. There were a few hints in season 4 leading up to it but I forgot them.

What really sucked about ENT is it happens like 100 years before the other treks and in Vulcan society mind melds and people who do them are an insidious cult to the gov't. By the other treks Spock is mind melding with rocks and shit. It was just a strange juxtaposition.

post the T'pol picture

you know the one

>>81258442
T'Pol was great, but her makeup/hair/appearance was bad in the first couple of seasons.

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>>81260361

>>81260228
>Let me tell you something Spock... We're all human
>I find that... Insulting.
No it didn't. Vulcans were always kind of portrayed as smug dicks that were got taken down a peg or two by human bantz.

>>81260360
The end of the vulcan arc where archer uncovers the romulan coup and delivers Sarak's katra was the point where the vulcans began to change to the race we saw in TOS, and explains their friendship with humanity.

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"Commander, tell me about your sexual organs."

>>81260194
>Captain's Log Stardate 88688593935.
British Guy says to just fire all of our weapons on every alien we encounter.


Woah what did Raimi mean by this?

>>81260194

It took me half of season 1 before I realized the black guy wasn't an extra.

>>81260382
Soo... dry?

>>81260944
They never give him anything to do outside of a few episodes. But I liked the little bit of characterization they do give him. I like the idea of a spacer in star fleet. It always seems like the human characters, besides Rapegangs were always from earth. I wanted to see more humans not from earth.

>>81260382
She's got a good body but wtf is wrong with her skin??

ENT isn't canon and is an insult to TOS
if you like it fine but you should kill yourself.

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>>81260382
>she saw this photo and thought "yeah. That's good. I'll put this online"

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>>81260382
I don't remember this at the body worlds exhibit

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I want to fuck hoshi

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>>81260382
her brother

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>>81260382
>the belly button

>>81260382
mirin her vascularity though.

>>81261428
The girl on the right has very aesthetic features.

>>81259976
It's alright, it's probably not one I'll rewatch much, but it's worth giving it a watch through at least once.

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Friendly reminder that Dukat did nothing wrong.

>>81261411
hnggg.

Hoshi please.

>>81259579
>Seven did have substance, though.
indeed. nobody made that outfit look as good.

>>81260360
>>81260628
And plus, a lot can happen in 100 years. Just looke at the 19th century vs. 20th century. Vulcans are a very conservative people, but they can change if the logic works.

>>81260529
>human bantz
I kind of love that this is humanity's defining trait in most sci-fi with other alien races. Humans are like the crazy frat bros that you want to hang out with, getting themselves killed, blowing shit up but also they know how to have a good time.

It's comfy.

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>>81261411
>Hoshi
>Not Keiko
ISHYGDTT

>>81261635
If by aesthetic you mean white trash then sure.

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>>81262762
>it's a 'keiko won't stop whining' episode

>>81262809
>watching DS9 for the first time after watching TNG
>bracing myself for annoying Keiko now that she's a semi-regular guest star
>It never happens

I'm almost done with season 3 so far, when is Keiko supposed to get annoying?

>>81262809
her husband was a loser that got bossed around by everyone
she had a right to whine
everyone was getting a promotion, becoming captains or stuff and he instead was the same cuck as always

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>it's not a Reg episode

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OFFICIAL UNIFORM POWER RANKINGS

1. ENT
2. DS9/VOY

POWER GAP

50. TNG

POWER GAP

9999. TOS

>>81262927
literally the best character

>>81263117
>not liking the comfy tos jumpers

kys

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>>81262762
tfw no threesome with keiko and hoshi

>>81262841
She never does.

>tfw your husband never drinks coffee in the afternoon
>tfw your husband drinks coffee in the afternoon

>>81258442

Agreed.

Worst character of any trek with commander Chipotle tying.

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>>81260382

>>81262927

>it's a "Barclay episodes make you feel kind of uncomfortable for no particular reason"-episode

Haha

>>81263853
He was kind of bland but that hardly qualifies him for worst trek character, there are plenty of actual shitty characters.

>>81263256
JDIMSA

>>81258442
Her fake tits got the role, the rest of her just happened to tag along.

>>81262877
He's chief of operations for an entire space station. That's a big promotion right there.

>>81263117
Nothing wrong with the TOS uniforms. The shitty ones are the TMP, early TNG and late DS9 ones

>>81260382
roids?

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>>81260382
DS9 GILFS still looking good

>>81265197
that's because they looked bad from the start
Odo looked more like a woman than Kira

>>81265197
I'd break those hips.

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>>81265197
That's a bad picture of Terry Farrell, let me help you out.

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>>81265263
Please don't insult Nana just because your precious Jolene can't compete.

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>>81265391

>>81265438
>>81265391
Stop making my dick move grandma

>>81265310
WORF'D.COM

>>81265438
getting married with her is like winning the lottery

>>81265563
>tfw Siddig El Tahir El Fadil El Siddig Abderrahman Mohammed Ahmed Abdel Karim El Mahdi (Arabic: صدّيق الطاهر الفاضل الصدّيق عبدالرحمن محمد أحمد عبدالكريم المهدي Ṣiddīq aṭ-Ṭāhir al-Fāḍil aṣ-Ṣiddīq ʿAbd ar-Raḥman Muḥammad ʾAḥmad ʿAbd al-Karīm al-Mahdī married her for four whole glorious, wonderful years

>>81260382
Looks like she's being assimalated by the bord when they made this photo.

>it's a Picard starts singing some eighteenth century earth song scene

Any singing for that matter

>>81265157
>late DS9
>shitty ones
literally arguably the comfiest uniforms in star trek

>>81265709
>it's a Picard scene

>>81265391
>those disgusting feet

go away

>>81265146
how much did his pay increase though?
how is keiko supposed to pay for expanding the scope of her botany career?

>>81262841
It's mostly a meme, but there are a few episodes that it's based on (no spoilers):

>2x05- Cardassians (aka the one where Keiko invites Miles' mortal enemy to live with them)
>3x03- The House of Quark (aka the one where Keiko decides Miles isn't good enough and goes off to bang Wrinklenoses)
>4x17- Accession (aka the one where Keiko comes back and isn't happy about it)
>5x05- The Assignment (aka the time Keiko becomes a loving wife)

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>>81263117
Best uniform coming through.

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>>81266208
>Keiko wanting to get rid off the mob boss' cat

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>watch pretty much all of ENT
>loving it, don't see why anyone would shit on it
>get to the final ep
What am I in for lads? Will this make me wish I'd never even started watching?

>>81267072
Not really, as bad as the finale is, its much more a disservice to the actual show than to the fans. It was a shitty attempt to get ratings by inserting TNG fanservice that comes across as pretty disrespectful to Enterprise.

>>81267201
ENT was pretty disrepectful of the entire franchise so I don't see the problem

>>81266208
Don't forget the terrorist bomb episode where Keiko bases something on personal knowledge of her husband that's completely wrong.

>>81260529
Spock would give as good as he got though. I always thought McCoy was the bigger asshole.

>>81265438

Brehs

>>81265146
I always thought it was bizarre that they'd put an NCO in that position. Even if you try to explain it away as Miles being one of the few people in Starfleet who could keep DS9 running they still would have offered him a commission as a non line officer. Really though its just because the audience liked him and he is literally the only noteworthy enlisted character in the whole franchise.

Any updates on STD yet?

>>81266208
>Cardassians
Perfectly understandable, and she's not annoying at all
>House of Quark
You mean how she was being perfectly normal and not wanting to impose on Miles at all by just watering her plants at home?? She wasn't being annoying at all, Miles even thought up a nice solution that would make her happy

>>81268664
that's true, and i never understood why since officers in the military are on average some of the biggest faggots on earth. NCO's are usually way more interesting.

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How long do you think it'll be until we get a Trek show set AFTER the Next Gen era, not before?

Pic semi-related, they'd be dope uniforms to put in a future series

>>81269421
Never ever ever ever ever will they do that. Trek as we know it, from TNG to ENT is dead. The only thing that studios will ever attempt is reboot material

>>81269689
Not if I become a billionaire and buy Star Trek in its entirety!

>>81262460
No, her character was very substantive up until the sixth season and she and the Doctor saved the show from cancellation.

>>81267072
Just finished ENT and it wasnt that bad. Some things I didnt like but it was ok. Maybe it should have been like the third last episode or something

>>81269757
You know it's ironic because even a billionaire probably couldn't afford to start up a show that size. It would cost at least 100m per season of a full-fledged New Trek with up to date effects and everything else.

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>we have much to discuss

>>81258442
I like her tits and ass at least

>>81267072
A great send off to the great run of Star Trek. Dont miss the moment when they break the forth wall.

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I miss Yar

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>>81260194
>the british guy

>>81263256
>tfw no threesome with Keiko and Miles

>>81270557
>tfw no threesome with quark and grilka

>>81270615
>tfw no threesome between Grillka and Natima

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>>81259976
>I just gotta judge for myself.
>typed while in /trek/
>hasn't seen the episode guides

Sorry, mon lieutenant, you don't know where you are and I feel as though you haven't had the fortune of having tons of anons dump episode guides because viewing a television series is hard work.

Seriously, where do you get off thinking you can judge anything for yourself?

>>81270615
>tfw no threesome with Odo and Quark

>>81270615
What do Ferengi dicks look like?

>>81265310
BIG KLINGON COCKS

>it's a 'worf becomes a social conservative' episode

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>>81265310

Why does Michael Dorn always get Trek actresses wet?

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>>81261411
>I want to fuck hoshi

welcome to my world

she was smokin' hot in In A Mirror Darkly

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>>81270752
circumsized obviously

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>>81261836
>but it's worth giving it a watch through at least once.

Can you watch a television show ' at least ' never?

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>>81265157

Late DS9 had the best uniforms for women to look professional sexy.

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>>81265709
>it's a Picard starts singing some eighteenth century earth song scene

Literally the height of TNG

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>>81272005
>circumcising your lobes.

>>81268878
Apparently Sonequa [sp] Martin-Green's character is named "Michael".

We're still not diverse enough.

>>81271593
He's a charismatic motherfucker for sure. Great voice, and he's large and masculine but looks very friendly and cuddly, best of both worlds.

>>81265157
Late DS9 is infinitely better than early DS9, though. Late DS9 is probably best uniforms of the late 24th century.

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>>81258442
My dick /thread

>>81264907

He was a bland character that perpetuated stereotypes through the lies of a con artist consultant on the series, played by a disinterested and unremarkable actor who only sought to leave the series, and it shows.

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>>81260741

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>>81262809
>it's a 'keiko won't stop whining' episode

Really pushed the family man routine to new heights. I also like how he was basically on vacation from his family when she "went to Bajor to plant trees".

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>>81260741
As always they are yellow, and green.

>>81260881
every fucking ship they encountered seriously outgunned the Enterprise

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>>81267339
>ENT was pretty disrepectful of the entire franchise so I don't see the problem

No it wasn't. It was adherent to canon by a longshot more than other versions. Season 4 was basically an ode to TOS in the 21st century.

>>81270365
>Dont miss the moment when they break the forth wall.

When would this be? It's been like a decade since I watched.

>>81272392
>Apparently Sonequa [sp] Martin-Green's character is named "Michael".
Jesus Christ.
Well it's 2017, guess I should have expected trans shit in my progressive space opera

>>81272968
>It was adherent to canon by a longshot more than other versions
Fuck off Bed & Breakfast, The Borg and Ferengi were not around then and your "le never named" shit doesn't get around that.

>>81272687
I wonder what goes through the mind when filming nude scenes in a Star Trek show?

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>>81260741
*nods appropriately*

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>>81272806

>>81272929
Their fucking torpedoes where made of metal

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>>81260382
This is why you fap to images, and videos of woman while they are in their prime. You fap to woman over the age of 35 at your own risk.

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>>81261411
Who doesn't ?

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>>81273027
>Borg (1 episode)
This is canon, do I need to explain it to you, how it fits logically?
>Ferengi (1 episode)
Still canon, considering Starfleet didn't exist and the end has them leave the ship. Did they ever tell Archer who they were?
>Bed & Breakfast (what?)

>>81258442
This part of Star Trek I find hilarious. Hey, let's include an alien species that has zero emotion, so the actor/actress can act bland as fuck and never do anything interesting.

Oh, and apparently fake tits are a huge thing on Vulcan.

>>81272968
>>81273182
fuck off retard

>>81265146
>>81268664
It was a big warzone waiting to happen and the "Chief" had to constantly do bitch work keeping that shit flying. I mean sure he was competent but most of all he just worked 24/7. It was ruining his marriage and then you throw dicks like Bashir coming along and fucking with him 24/7 with his autistic clone social skills. Any time Miles was off work he was fucking drinking or playing bullshit games with Julian while secretly loathing him.

Miles Obrien was a fucking second class slave, despite his role. Its not like he was LaForge working on his dozenth doctorate on a science ship or something.

>>81273162
>Jonathan Fakes is still around
Good to see /trek/ hasn't changed since I was last here.
Did Ro-anon ever return?

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>>81263117
The comfy sweaters from The Cage were some pretty good TOS-era uniforms. As a matter of fact, the bridge design in The Cage was also a lot nicer than the one that ended up being used in the show.

>>81273938
I just assumed that was standard issue pajamas, they did look pretty comfy.

>>81273491
>second class slave
well he was basically a glorified space janitor

>>81274011
>When you're post-scarcity but still need someone to clean the toilets
Star Trek.

>it's a pregnant kira episode

Hot

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>>81262762

>keiko
>not molly

>>81265146
meanwhile our guy Barclay got put in charge f a super special operation to develop never done before things

>>81265310

RIDGED

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>>81260741
Like clockwork. You made me smile today, Trekkie.

>>81274510
>not Naomi Wildman

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>>81274661

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>>81260741
we've been through this literally about 749 times.

>>81274802
1251 times, according to archive.4plebs

>>81274802
>>81274934
>it's a time loop episode

>>81273027
You mean the Borg left there from first contact?

How the hell did the Klingons ever manage to get off of Qonos?

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>>81275313
They attacked peaceful invaders with a FTL starship, reverse engineered it to fit into their shitty battle buckets and flew off looking for l̶o̶c̶a̶l̶ ̶s̶h̶o̶p̶s̶ ̶n̶e̶a̶r̶ ̶B̶a̶l̶t̶i̶m̶o̶r̶e̶ ̶g̶h̶e̶t̶t̶o̶s̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶p̶l̶u̶n̶d̶e̶r̶ any spacecraft prepared to do battle.

>>81268664
Its fine. Its not like he's maintaining a warp drive or anything. He's mostly doing maintenance and upkeep.
The thing that always bugged me was why they made him chief engineer of the Defiant. Shit it always seemed horribly irresponsible for the senior operations staff of a strategically important space station to also be the command crew of the USS Mary Sue.
I mean I get it, in terms of it being a tv show, but really it should have had a dedicated crew and just have the ship attached to the station.

>>81275438
why did the Romulans use Klingon's ship design in TOS?

>>81275470
Honestly O'brien was a MARINE who was legitimately a good tactical kinda guy. He couldn't run a massive space-battleship like enterprise but a fighter like defiant would be perfectly suited to his skills.

Of course attaching it to DS9 was completely arbitrary and stupid except that runabouts were incredibly gay even as shuttle+

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>>81274934
>1251 times, according to archive.4plebs
>tfw you've probably been in at least half of those

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Daily reminder that Bajoran girls were literally made for the Big Cardassian Cock.

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>>81272342
>Friendly reminder that this is the man who used to shout at the crew on Season 1 of TNG for fucking about or fluffing lines like actors do

I do like how he's mellowed the fuck out.

>>81275981
>put something on their nose
>call them aliens

at least the other series tried

>>81275981
Dukat can't unfuck Kira's mom.

>>81275605
>but a fighter like defiant would be perfectly suited to his skills.
I don't know anon, remember that it's prototype engine was so powerful it would tear the ship apart if you pushed it to hard. Considering that it was dispatched to DS9 specifically to defend the most important defensive position in the alpha quadrant, you'd think you could find a top class engineer to permanently assign.
Hell, even before the dominion they were having problems with Cardassians being cardassians. Couldn't starfleet spare a piece of shit miranda class or something just to project some force in the region without being an overt show of force.

>>81276156
He comes from english theater scene, that environment is pretty rigid

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>>81275313

>>81276185
I always wondered if Ziyal was supposed to be Kira's half sister.

>>81265197
look at the fucking thong peeking out on nana

>>81276228
They seemed to do fine, they defeated an entire Cardassian warships fleet in the firs episodes wiht a barely working DS9 and most of the weapons offline

>>81276250
Is it bollocks mate. Half of what the cast of a play does in rehearsal is dick about over here.

>>81276228
Yeah, but literally no ship in starfleet would FAIL to outclass DS9 entirely. Then it'd just be
>oh its an everyone's on the ship episode
every episode. You can only fit so much main cast on the Defiant at once without it being a
>oh its a 2 characters are stranded in a shuttlecraft episode

I understand practically why they did it for the show plus the characters sort of managed to fit to it pretty well.

It doesn't make no damn sense but then they did eventually put guns and shit on the station instead.

>>81276156
He even makes fun of himself for being such a stick in the mud during the first two seasons. I think he mellowed out a lot when they realized they'd all have jobs for the next seven years.

>>81259976

Be warned the final episode is a giant pile of shit. I think that's the ONE thing we all agree on about Enterprise. Even Based Shran can't redeem that thing.

>>81276296
That would have been a much better story, if the writers had any sense of continuity for 90% of the series maybe it could have been great.

>>81276408
Enterprise is 3 separate shows though.

>>81276349
>they leave a non federation foreign national in charge of the bleeding edge of federation offensive technology
Again, I get why they did it for the show, but that doesn't stop my 'tism from acting up.

>>81276430
Even then Kira was like..... a diplomat. They get to do whatever the fuck they want as reparations for the federation NOT stepping in to stop the cardassians for like 40 years.

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>>81276425
They have that episode where Kira finds out her mom was Dukat's waifu in like what, the sixth or seventh season, after they wrote off Ziyal, the timeline fits. Not that Dukat would be the kind of guy who wouldn't have a handful of mistresses.

>>81276324

Can someone translate this for me?

I'm a cucknadian, it looks like Cardassian runes to me.

>>81266590

Agreed, and I don't care how stupid I'd look I still kind of want their winter jacket uniforms.

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What other space-ship-based sci-fi shows are good on a level comparable to Star Trek? I just finished watching Battlestar Galactica for the first time and it caused the same feeling as when I was done with the Treks for the first time, like I lost a cherished friend

>>81276528
You're talking a load of rubbish mate. Half of the time when British people in an acting group are rehearsing, they're just messing about and having a laugh

>>81276561
Farscape
It'll start out a little rough by so worth it

Stargate too

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>>81276561
Based Farscape.

>>81276561
Closure is endless suffering. I don't know, I hear good things about the Farscape but I never finished it. Lexx was like an odd canadian star trek parody.

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>>81276561
Babylon 5 will give you those feelings all over again.

It starts off pretty slow, but if you've watched all the Treks then you're more than used to villain of the week episodes that put off a lot of new viewers.

>>81276591
>>81276606
I'll give it a go because I've seen people talking about it a lot and I've got nothing else to do tomorrow but I don't have high hopes, my experience with Australian shows is they're just low-budget copies of other shows with stupid accents. And that could even be the best of it seeing as I can only think of 3 shows that aired over here including Farscape.

>>81276561
The Expanse
first two seasons of Andromeda

>>81276561
Andromeda was maybe good, I like Sorbini. I didn't catch it when it was airing though. Babylon 5 is an obvious one but eh, different. Firefly was better but worse.

>>81276620
>Closure is endless suffering. I don't know, I hear good things about the Farscape but I never finished it
The ironing.
Grandpa fags like me who were watching the show as it was airing remember very keenly that the network came under new management, and even though the show had recently be renewed for another season or two, they decided to cancel the show.
They didn't tell anyone involved with the show they were pulling the plug until the season finale was ending.
The season finale was the main characters being killed and turned into a pile of crystal.
then: "to be continued"
then: a title card thanking the fans.
Despite it being the highest rated show on their network, they decided to axe it to make some shitty cheap reality shows that no one remembers.
There was a massive campaign from the fans to bring the show back, but it was almost five or six years later before they made a tv-movie called the peacekeeper wars that condensed an entire season into a 3 part mini series. It's kind of meh.
So yeah, watch to the end. Closure won't be your problem with farscape. It still fucking hurts.

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>>81276785
It's weird mix of high budget and low budget. It relies a lot on muppets made by Jim Henson's Company. Really high quality, but they will seem very odd at first.

Once you see this guy, you know you're in the good shit

>>81276804
>>81276806

First two seasons of Andromeda are pretty good after that though it becomes an entirely different show.

>>81276804
>>81276806
Earth Final Conflict was so much better than Andromeda for Roddenberry legacy. Not exactly space-travelly but involves aliens and earth.

>>81276836
I just didn't get into Farscape at all at the time. It was on at like 2AM after Stargate second-showing and it was like.... puppets and bdsm weirdness.

Like >>81276845

>>81276750
DESU B5 always felt... A little fanfictiony
Like it had hopes of being really as good as the things it took inspiration from but never really made it

Especially with the fucking Minbari. God Dellen was the worst.

>>81271741
So was Archer, look at those fab arms and hairy chest.

>>81276898
Well come on, Quantum Leap. Who wouldn't a Bakula?

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Who thought this character was a good idea? I really enjoy Enterprise for the most part, the concept is cool and most of the cast is pretty good, but then they have to make it so half of each episode is just a closeup of this stupid bitch making that stupid constipated face.

>>81276963
He was the first one to fuck an alien though, that earns him space cred.

>>81276963
He was the only on the crew with a personality though
The rest were boring carboard mockups
Even Archer was bland

>>81276927
This. So many people's mom's and older sisters finger banged themselves to based Bakula.
Remember the episode where he leaps into the body of some monkey they're going to shoot into space as a thin pretext for having him run around in a tiny little cloth diaper.

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>>81276561
Space: Above and Beyond

>>81276927
>Quantum Leap

I never REEEEEEEEEEE'd so hard at a final episode. And it was a good episode too, until the very end.

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>>81276963
>mfw plebs are talking shit about Chief Engineer George W. Bush

>>81276561
seaQuest, it's TNG under water but the show ends on an alien planet

>>81277006
Archer was Scott Bakula playing Scott Bakula in space. Honestly the best characters were the ones that got fewest eps. Sato was based.

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>>81261158

exactly what i was thinking when i saw this

why the FUCK would you want to share this with the world? jesus fucking christ

>>81277053
Ted Raimi's in that, yeah? I've been meaning to give it a watch but his presence alone is both allure and makes me think it wasn't serious enough. Good?

>>81276561
Legend of the Galactic Heroes

>>81277151
LoGH isn't really comparable to Star Trek. The original Gundam series might be better if we're gonna start throwing anime out there

>>81276561
Stargate SG-1 is pretty fantastic.

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>>81273162

>zero tits
>zero ass
>body of a teenage boy

but its ok, shes asian lol

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>>81262877
>>81268664
>>81273491
>>81275470

>all these limp wristed faggots hating on the hardest nigga in starfleet

-crack shot with a phaser (literally misses once over the course of two series)
-bested the obsidian order's greatest operative
-revamped a warship that nobody else could get working
-motherfuckin' secret agent
-kira wanted his dick
-did 25 years in lock up
-said fuck space college, i'll just teach myself
-war hero

they had to give him a cunt wife and a shit day job or else he'd be a mary sue.

>>81277298
Right but most of the series he's like back to mundane not-war life where everything is dull by comparison. It's torture til the dominion war starts up and he gets to be alive again.

>>81275470
O'Brien was fine with the Defiant. His job is replacing broken parts, and the Defiant was constantly accumulating broken parts due to its poor design.

The real problem with the Defiant was the pilot. The DS9 cast didn't have a dedicated navigator, so every time they flew the Defiant, the writers had to pick a driver at random.

>We used Bashir last week, and we're using Kira this week, so next week how about we use... Quark?

>>81276561
>Go into orbit above enemy planet
>Disengage all engines
>Fire all weapons
>Jump to FTL seconds before impact

I wish Star Trek showed original tactics like that. The Adama Manoeuvre > Any other manoeuvre.

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>>81276561

babylon 5 is both the best sci fi show ever made, and is the show that deep space nine completely and utterly ripped off (quite literally, paramount was sued over it)

get on that shit bruh, its a classic

>>81277227
The direction of the story is unlike Star Trek, but the quality is absolutely comparable to Star Trek.

LoGH is a great show, and I'd happily recommend it to anyone looking for any "space-ship-based scifi shows" and not just shows which feel like Trek.

>>81277389
>both the best sci fi show ever made
How can this be true and Dellen still be a character?

>>81274661
>Not Molly and Naomi together

>>81277339
>It's torture til the dominion war starts up and he gets to be alive again.

he actually ain't about that life. his whole character arc is him wanting to be the working stiff and taking care of his family, but they keep bringing him back in.

>>81276785

only 1 major character speaks with an aussie twang and its barely noticeable, he sounds almost british more than aussie

then there are some tertiary characters that popup and speak somewhat thick aussie, but it makes sense because these characters are all scumbags so the accent fits

pretty much everyone else is american or british and my farscape waifu has an amazing accent/voice

its really no different from star trek

>>81277433
What's your beef with Dellen? Do you hate the character, or the actress? Cause I could see how someone might find Mira Furlan, and her weird voice and accent, annoying, but I never saw anything wrong with the Dellen character,

>>81277298
that would mean something if all the other characters weren't superior to him in every way

he is Uhura tier

>>81275528
They mention it it one episode, IIRC Scotty says "but those are Klingon ships!" and someone answers "Intelligence has shown the Romulans are using Klingon ships"
Nobody explained why, and I assumed it was a budget thing but strangely in the same episode normal TOS Romulan ships show up

>>81277433

you seriously have a raging hateboner for delenn, why? half the show is spent showing how flawed all of the races in the galaxy are, minbari probably especially with that whole schism/rebellion that happens later on

she doesnt do anything marysueish and i think she is one of the better developed character in the whole show, which makes sense since shes basically the 2nd most important/major character in b5

>>81277519
Both, I suppose

My issue is the Minbari as a whole and it's Dellen that encapsulates it
They're so cliched and unoriginal while being "perfect".
It's a horrible mix of HONORABU SAMURAI and elvish bullshit.

It's like they were designed by a 15 year old.

>>81277389
>(quite literally, paramount was sued over it)
Can you post a source on this?

I'm trying to Google this but it looks like you're lying.

>>81277510
>its really no different from star trek
Farscape is like the anti-Star Trek. It's like a whole series in the mirror universe, where everybody on the ship is constantly trying to kill each other for no reason and the big 'federation'-like entity is evil.

>>81277485
He was literally a redshirt that cannot die. Any time he was unsupervised he'd go starting shit, no worrying that he was married or had a kid or any of that. He went out and fucked shit up. He was constantly fucking with cardassians and supporting the maquis and basically tried to Spock his own death all the time in engineering. The man had a death wish when he wasn't trying to kill someone else.

>>81277660
It's an old /trek/ meme. DS9 premiered a year before B5

>>81277673

by 'no different from star trek' i meant the range of accents, the guy was saying he expected farscape to have everyone speaking aussie

>>81277584

I remember reading an article a little while that it was a prop-master fuckup. After making the original kickass romulan bird of prey they just dumped the model thinking it was supposed to be a one-off ship.

So when a later episode called for the romulan ship they just said fuck it grab the klingon one.

>>81277673
And they also talk all the time about sex and bodily functions.
Star Trek has never even shown a toilet before

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THIS IS NOW AN ENTERPRISE THREAD:

THE VULCAN INCENSE HAS BEEN LIT AND WE JUST LEFT STARBASE

THIS IS YOUR DAILY REMINDER TO LUBE UP YOUR BEAGLES, POLARIZE YOUR HULL PLATING, AND HEAT UP YOUR DECON CHAMBERS TO SKIN TEMP (308.65 K)
THE CHEESE HAS BEEN SLIT AND IT'S TIME TO SLAM YOUR PLOMEK BROTH, TAKE A TOKE & MARK OFF YOUR CHECKLIST
TO POP YOUR:

STARFLEET RATIONS
ANDORRIAN ALE (VINTAGE 2125)
CORDRAZINE HYPOSPRAY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8OpsPok6iQ <---- HIT PLAY PETAQ!

>FAITH OF THE HEART BLASTS THROUGH YOUR HOUSE
>YOU INSTINCTIVELY JUMP INTO YOUR GRAVITY PLATED BASKETBALL COURT AND GYM, FITTED WITH WATER POLO POOL AND A PON FARR BATTLE CAGE
>AFTER YOUR INTENSE WORKOUT YOU CALL OVER ADMIRAL FORREST USING SUBSPACE BEFORE GETTING INTO YOUR HYPERSLEEP EXPANSE STASIS BIOBEDS AND PACKING YOUR MOUTH TO THE BRIM WITH TRIP'S FLORIDA FRESH PECAN PIE FOLLOWED SHORTLY AFTERWARDS BY ALDEBERAN MUD LEECH ENEMAS JUST AS THE TRELLIUM-D KICKS IN AS YOU LISTEN TO ZEPHRAM COCHRANE AND ADMIRAL GARDENER HYPOTHESIZE THAT THE ICONIANS = EGYPTIAS AND THE ARK OF THE COVENANT IS HIDDEN ON TAU CETI

DUDE AWW SHUCKS LMAO
DUDE PHASED ION CANNONS LITERALLY ENCRUSTED WITH TRITANIUM AND DUNKED IN OSMIUM ALLOY FIRING OFF OF THE SAUCER SECTION COLONEL GREEN STYLE

>"AMBASSADOR SOVAL, JUST END IT ALL, I THINK YOU ARE A WORTHLESS VULCAN AND I HATE YOU, BUT COME BACK ON SUBSPACECAST SO I CAN BLOW YOU THE FUCK OUT OF THE QUADRANT YET AGAIN AND REDUCE YOU TO GREEN JELLY"
>"TUH POL” BEARER, JUST TAKE THE EASY WAY OUT. YOUR MAPS ARE OVER. IT'S TIME FOR THE PHASER OVERLOAD RETIREMENT PLAN"
Johnathan Archer, 2015
>YOU ARE NOW PICTURING CAPTAIN ARCHER NAKED ON TOROTHAS PLAYING GESKANA AND HYPERVENTILATING IN THE DESERT
Brought to you by B&B Productions©
cue the Perfect Strangers theme

>>81277716

its not a meme, the creator of babylon 5 went to paramount to try and get a greenlight for his new show and they turned him down

sometime later DS9 airs and has basically the same exact framework as babylon 5, it couldnt be more obvious they just took JMS's ideas and put them into star trek

>>81277773
Aside from being about a space station with a [Word][Number] name, what are the similarities?

>>81277673
>is like the anti-Star Trek

So DS9?

>>81276181
Bajorans are from TNG, you silly casual.

>>81277813
Its like star trek if the federation was the "bad guys" and your crew was a fucking terrorist, a klingon, and a ferengi. They were always out to stop you from using your WMDs on shit.

>>81277805

i cant be assed explaining how it is too big a coincedence that jms goes to paramount with babylon 5 and then a year later paramount
creates deep space nine with strangely similar ideas to the ones that jms pitched the studio

use your brain anon, its really not hard to figure out

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>>81277805
http://hassleinbooks.blogspot.com.br/2013/01/deep-space-nine-vs-babylon-5-two.html

>>81272392
>>81273018
It's not a trans* thing, it's a Bryan Fuller thing.

>woman named Chuck in Pushing Daisies
>woman named George in Dead Like Me
>woman named Freddie in Hannibal
>woman named Michael in Star Trek

>>81277892
Most of those are a huge stretch and the rest happened well into the show's run
Having Bajoran security on DS9 is nothing like having the Narns deputized several seasons in

Look at this shit
>• Both shows were set on massive space stations with single-digit names (Deep Space 9 vs. Babylon 5) located near transit points of immense power that were not of Terran design (the Bajoran Wormhole vs. the Centauri-made jumpgate).

It's the first point and it's bullshit
Oh yeah, the jumpgates are sooo immensely powerful. They're common place objects. Totally inconsequential.

>>81277773
You said there was a lawsuit. Where is a source for the lawsuit?

Were you memeing or were you lying?

>>81277744
Why is ENT so literally perfect?
>we will never get the planned season with Shran on the main cast, more exploration of Empress Hoshi in the MU, and Romulan shenanigans

>>81278192
Jeffrey Combs needs a star trek movie/show to himself. Everyone else just sit the fuck back, he's got this.

>>81278192
>Why is ENT so literally perfect?
Because being prematurely canceled means that you can spend your time fantasizing about [what could have been] instead of sobering up and facing the cold reality that [what we actually got] was pretty mediocre.

>>81277857
The best part is that the crew are all accidental heroes and don't really like eachother that much, but they keep getting into trouble and the only way out is to do the most batshit crazy thing they can think of.
They start off as nobodies, and by the end they're folk heroes in the galaxy for spitting in the face of every major power fighting over the uncharted territories. And all they ever wanted was just to fuck off and be left alone to find their way back home.
In the process they bond and turn from allies of convenience to bro's.
The writers let a lot of the charisma develop between the actors, and then wrote the show around that.

>>81278252
Every season you could feel the producers working their way into a cancellation. Making outrageous demands trying to force it back off the air just because they could. Every single time, Shran saved the day.

>>81278252
>[what we actually got] was pretty mediocre.

This but that doesn't mean it was bad. It was enjoyable if you were a fan of Trek. It pandered to us, yeah sure, but it did it in a way that was faith(of the heart)ful to canon. It made it itself a little better each year as well, but UPN had already scooped 7 years of syndication rights so fuck it if it's ratings are just a little lower, you cost too much.

It was the only Trek from the post TOS era that seemed separate from the others both in production and style.

>>81278192
so perfect it literally killed the franchise for years

>>81278252

btfo tbqh

>>81277227
Space Battleship Yamato 2199 is more trekish as far as anime goes.

>>81278252
>the Xindi arc
>the Delphic Expanse, doing VOY better than VOY
>human/vulcan/andorian rivalry
>ship slowly getting more advanced as the series progresses
>Phlox
>Porthos
ENT was dzieło, especially when you consider the rocky starts of TNG and DS9. The notion that it was bad is nothing more than a canard

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>>81278221
I got you famulon.

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>>81278192
>Ent season 5
>Based NX-01 Refit
>Kzinti episode
>Romulan War
>Shran in the Enterprise crew
>Porthos saves the ship episode
>Cloud Minders prequel
>Story of the construction of the first starbase

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Malcolm, I want those "BRAND NEW FROM JUPITER STATION PHASERS" online right now!

>>81278361
yeah, shitting on TOS with the "Archer did everything before Kirk!" and changing canon at every chance truly was "pandering to the fans"

all this ENT faggots coming out now that STD has been announced are hilarious

>>81278221
If he doesn't show up in S1 of DIS then it really will be STD instead

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>>81278461
>Jupiter Station

Literally perfect

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>>81278558
>yeah, shitting on TOS with the "Archer did everything before Kirk!" and changing canon at every chance

whoa, whoa, whoa, who the fuck are you talking for, sunshine?

Has anyone in this thread said that?
No, so STFU and quit bleeding from the mouth with shit that literally didn't happen.

>>81278558
>all this ENT faggots coming out now that STD has been announced are hilarious
Pure revisionism. ENTfaggotry on /tv/ started over a year ago due to the endless VOY/DS9 fights dying down. Nobody cares about Discovery.

>>81262484
Look at Earth in Trek. In roughly 100 years after First Contact humanity has come together as a species and went from having a ship that goes warp 1 to ships capable of warp 5 and another hundred years in TOS almost double that speed.

>>81278968

Vulcan's were shitting themselves at how quickly Earth had rebuilt.

>It stopped them from being a big bag of cunts

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>>81279055
>Admiral Maxwell Forrest: Ambassador... are Vulcans afraid of Humans? Why?

>Vulcan Ambassador Soval: Because there is one species you remind us of.

>Admiral Maxwell Forrest: Vulcans.

>Vulcan Ambassador Soval: [nods] We had our wars, Admiral, just as Humans did. Our planet was devastated, our civilization nearly destroyed. Logic saved us. But it took almost 1500 years for us to rebuild our world and travel to the stars. You Humans did the same in less than a century. There are those on the High Command who wonder what Humans would achieve in the century to come. And they don't like the answer.

>>81278856
Eat a dick, I've been fighting meme bandwagon hate for this show for years.

>>81279265
>legitimate complaints
>meme hate

Not that anyone should expect much from an ENT fan but the fact that they use expressions like "meme hate" or have to shitpost the same tired pasta in almost every thread really speaks to the kind of "people" this show appeals

>>81279265
In my experience this thread was the beginning of the end of the kneejerk ENT-hate meme, and it was part of an ongoing process of people realizing it wasn't bad:
http://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/69311924/

ENT was barely mentioned during the VOY-vs-DS9 days except for people who hadn't even seen it ranking it and Archer really low in powerrankings.

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>>81279397
Not him, but I haven't seen any legitimate arguments that it's actually bad and, as many others have said countless times before, seasons 3 and 4 are actually good, and season 2 has it's moments.

>>81277744
I have never seen ENT, what the fuck is going on in this post

>>81279577
>a legitimate argument

Yeah, I am sure you would admit that something is "legitimate" if you saw it

>>81279414
You mean it was redditors and other garbage now old enough to post on /tv/ about the show they probably heard about when younger

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>>81279698
>Yeah, I am sure you would admit that something is "legitimate" if you saw it

see what I mean, this isn't even an argument, much less a legitimate one

>>81277298
>O'Brien has served during 235 combat encounters and has been decorated by Starfleet fifteen times
>An expert on starship combat
Wasted badass.

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>>81279698
The majority on /tv/ prefer ENT to VOY, while ENT is hated on reddit by a huge margin
Out of all the criticisms you can throw at ENT, 'reddit' is the least sensical

>>81279955
you ent fans are so desperate is pathetic

>>81277677
He did die though in DS9. There was that episode where he was jumping through time to prevent his death only to end up dying with a version of him from different point in time takes his place. Like Voyager with Not Harry Kim from a parallel timeline, they just hand wave it away as if no one will question it.

>tfw I feel the need to defend Enterprise whenever someone says it's the worst Trek
>tfw I feel the need to shit on Enterprise whenever someone says it's the best Trek
Who /somewhere in the middle/ here?

>>81280080
I think it's easy to be in the middle when the bar is so low on later treks. Voyager was just so much worse than ENT even when ENT was complete shit. ENT was just completely insane, worst production by far out of all of them. It tried to be so many things at once that it succeeded in none of them. Only a few of the characters redeemed the entire show.

>>81280011
>I was abjectly wrong, so now I'll respond with a meaningless ad-hom
Let me guess... you're a Voyager fan

>>81280186
>d-dude Reddit dislikes ENT you have to like it then bro!!

also using a "what's the best Trek" poll to infer that they "dislike" TOS is retarded

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>>81276561
>>81277373
>The Adama Manoeuvre > Any other manoeuvre.
This tbqh

>>81280378

Shame the show kind of went downhill from there but still most badass maneuver ever invented.

>>81280579
Yeah. I put Exodus as the high point of the show. Revelations and Gaeta's rebellion are still great though.

>>81280807
>Revelations
Yes.
>and Gaeta's rebellion are still great though.
No.

The world would be a much better place if the show had been canceled after Revelations.

>>81280939
>The world would be a much better place if the show had been canceled after Revelations.
I don't disagree. That would have gone down as one of the all-time great endings.

Why did you like Gaeta's rebellion though? Felt like the order of the fleet was in genuine danger, we see Gaeta's naive idealism totally corrupted, Adama and Tigh get to be badass war dogs and fuck shit up. What's not to like?

>>81279955
I love ENT but would you.. PLEASE.. stop posting this really lame and indicative of very little "chart/poll" that, from my experience, doesn't seem to convince anyone here of anything.

Great, you held a poll where you needed to partner each show with another instead of letting them stand on their own. Sounds like someone is afraid of getting their favorite show shat on.

>>81281367
I didn't make nor have I ever posted that old pic before now. It's simply a rebuttal to the absurd notion that ENT is 'reddit' when it is the absolute most hated show there.
The filename of the usual poster is a tumblr one, no idea why
http://archive.4plebs.org/tv/search/image/nnxDuaHAfVANjdlKAeSmSg/

>>81281737
no one ever said that the show is "reddit"

>>81281916
Not leddit itself but the latest show to air i.e. youngest non-rerun (DVD+) viewers.

>>81281737
>when it is the absolute most hated show there.
Not really, reddit was asked which they like more, and some 4chan idiot took the lowest one and said they hated it the most.

Meanwhile 4chan was asked which they liked most, and which they hated.

Not even a redditor, but you can follow me on instagram at @checkem

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>>81282000
Nice trips, Commander, but I believe you'll find our digits repeating - HERE

>>81281916
Bullshit. People use the Reddit boogeyman all the time in /trek/.

We'll never manage to get rid of all the "fans of X are stupid" shitposting in these threads, but that poll is our only weapon in the fight against "fans of X are Reddit" shitposting, and for that reason I welcome it.

>>81264041
Watching Barclay was like looking into a mirror, except he was competent.

>>81283354
He was double hypercompetent. He was successfully acting in multiple shows and playing a spot on autist who was then also a genius.

>>81266164
How did the Federation people get paid in border areas like DS9? Did Cisco maintain a reserve of latinum on the station?

>>81283491
>paid
They got to eat and sleep in safety.

>>81283491
It was on the other side of the border, outside of the Federation. Starfleet pays a latinum stipend to people operating in such areas.

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>>81283559
>in safety.

>>81270374
I wish they did more with Romulan Yar. That shit was weird.

>>81274705
no harry kim, chakotay is the indian

>>81258442

If you criticize her, then you criticize the Vulcans in general. They all do that shit.

The cat suit? Yeah I can see that. It's stupid and leaving more to the imagination is a lot to Trekkies. She should have wore a uniform the same as everybody else. The excuse of "Vulcan adviser" was not fitting, or enough.

The thing is, all the cast, actor or actress had to conform to a standard throughout every series to fit into the uniform. Except for William Shatner, actually. I'm pretty sure we wore a girdle after the first season because that cunt couldn't stop eating pigs by the whole or something.

>>81283748

*he

>>81276591
this
you have to force yourself to watch both of these at the beginning, but you will feel like you're getting getting out of a nice comfy bed when each one ends...

>>81262809
I involuntarily hear Hoshi shouting MIIIILES in my head every time I see her picture

>>81283639
it was dumb TNG SJW crap

as if the romulans would let a woman in charge

>>81283748
Shatner's uniform was the torn shirt of any color.

>>81283795
Stargate is easy mode, just watch the movie. That will get you hype for at least 1 season's worth of SG1.

>>81276181
They also all wore earrings
That counts for something

>>81283822
and the tits in episode 1 will keep you coming back ... prepare to be disappointed though

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>>81283807
Shut up and watch The Original Series, you stupid /pol/ tourist.

>>81273068
Did they ever use the fanservice decontamination gel-rubbing after the first few episodes of s1?

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>>81284560
I remember them still using it to pander to horny nerds in season two. Remember "A Night in Sickbay"?

>>81284624

>normie nerds

For fucks sake you idiot, they were rubbing a dog down in decontamination. I know younger guys can blast it out to anything, but REALLY?

>>81284813
Dog had more character depth than tpol

>>81284813

My bad, "horny nerds." It not really that same thing.

By that time the access to porn was ridiculous.

I never went on those forums but the archives are fucking weird. Sexual shit that totally ignored species, protocol or anything else.

I served in my navy and well, it happens m/f/ I don't know what gay people do but that their own thing.

>>81284938
>By that time the access to porn was ridiculous.
That's why Enterprise was canceled.

The producers spent all their creative energy trying to pander to the desperately horny teenager demographic, not realizing that the internet had already obsoleted their efforts.

>>81284999

It's not a bad analogy for Enterprise.

Imagine getting back from a long voyage and realizing that your planet has culturally progressed twenty years.

>hey I have all this technology that well make everything perfect
>eh, we're OK just fucking it all up

I'd like to see the earth 100 years from now just to see how STEM vs. Lib goes. I want STEM to win because I honestly think it's the only way we'll survive.LIB however would be more fun to watch, if not for watching society completely fall apart.

>>81285188

>what did you think about that last film
>well it was pretty good, but I can't cross the bridge to ask Jim about it
>Why not? It was a great film and we all enjoyed it
>Well Chris's dad is dead and he's the one that know how to build a bridge

>fuck, so where is our food?

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>>81276533
Fuck yes.

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>John Billingsley took a more neutral position. In a 2006 interview, he commented "I wasn't wild about the last episode, but as is often the case I think probably more is made of these things than should be. It, arguably, should have been more about our stories than The Next Generation's cast, and I think people who were a little put out perhaps had a point." He added, "It seemed to me from things that I've read or heard that people's reactions were a little over the top. I also think they were on some level trying to find a way to say goodbye, or at least goodbye for now, to the entire franchise, and to that extent I could understand what the thought process was in wanting to bring in some of the Next Gen characters."

I'm glad they cast him as Phlox

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>>81285430

I'm literally on the bottom end of the millenial era that decided to become an engineer. Your dilapidated bridges will cost so much that you'll wish I never picked up a tape measure, and was fascinated by it as a kid.

what
a
garbage
series

for

garbage
people

q.e.d.