What is Jerusalem worth?

GOD WILLS IT

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Salah ad-Din, I'm CRUSADER

>>81221884
DO NOT BELIEVE RIDLEY SCOTTS LIES
MUSLIMS ARE BAD PEOPLE
SALAHUDIN WAS A BAD HOMBRE

Check these youtube channels out
Dr. Bill Warner - Political Islam
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0Uu4XnRS1hiz3JCpNFIuUg
and Real Crusades History
https://www.youtube.com/user/RealCrusadeHistory
For a better understanding of islam and the crusades.

Veritas liberabit vos

>>81222937
Lotta loyalty for a hired papist

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Has there ever been another soundtrack more based?

>>81223132
Forgot links

FULL SOUNDTACK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4_OjL33ENE&list=PLUyveUVwugGz15Ddj0QwSrfr9aC67YKdC

Best songs imo:

Crusaders -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf_Hob93mNM

IBELIN - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96AQ2TTEQmM

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>>81221884
Nothing

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>>81221884
Everything

>>81223454
>>81223502
/thread

>>81221884
Bout three fiddy

Is this movie the best example of a film saved by a directors cut?

>>81223454
>>81223502
i don't understand can someone pls explain me

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>the shitskins win

>>81223676
Watch the movie, pleb.

>>81222956
The christians of that time weren't any better

>>81223834
Yes they were, just watch the fucking videos.

>>81223722
like the real life?

>>81223676
>What is Jerusalem worth?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPhIW3EF8iU
watch the movie pal, is not hard to understand

>>81223587
It was around that time that I realised I wasn't talking to a freaky old king with leprosy but this huge creature, this giant crustacean from the Paleolithic Era.

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>>81222956
>eurocucks bend to a jewish sect
>think they have rights over a foreign land because it's written in a book (member the 1947?)

yeah right, saladin was a bad hombre because he defended his motherland against lunatic foreigner murderers

>>81223859
I´m from Spain. no pal, medieval christian kingdoms were a fucking hell. Sandniggers at least had medicine, astrology, engineering and stuff. it`s not called Dark Age for nothing.

>>81223983
All things that they had taken from the Greeks and Persians they had conquered. To control Mesopotamia and the hellenized middle-east back then was to also control the knowledge of antiquity.

>>81221884
Fucking nothing, bomb that shithole.

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>>81223265

Status: FEELIN IT

>>81223676
It's worth nothing as a city, but it's worth everything as a symbol.

>>81223936
>Be inbred bedouin who lives in the arabian peninsula
>New warlord on the block named Mohammed forces you to convert at sword point to his new hodgepodge religion
>Invade the middle-east and egypt that had been Greek since the time of Alexander the Great, and the birthplace of Christianity
>"Descendants to said bedouin nomad thinks it has belonged to Islam forever
Yeah nah. It was conquered territory from Christians.

>>81223936
Saladin wasn't bad for defending himself, no man can be blamed for that.
But in the same vein, the christians were also defending themselves and had been for the past 600 years by the time of the first crusades. And the Byzantines didn't deserve the attacks.

>>81223936
>defended his motherland
it's not your motherland if you're a foreign invader who stole it from someone else

jews were there first

>>81223005
Kek

>>81223983
>it`s not called Dark Age for nothing

I really hope you're joking holy shit

>>81224198
>jews were the first

jews were one of the many religions from the same people, but they left and spent centuries crossing with slavs/germanics/meds to the point they didn't even looked the same

>>81224150
Byzantines deserved everything they got

>>81224469
No one deserves what the byzants got.

>>81223983
Lmao just kill yourself, sandnigger apologist

>>81222956

i know anon, it's a movie. I bet Sibylla wasn't a babe like eva green either.

>>81223596
Yes absolutely. I think it's genuinely the best historical European action movie ever.

>>81224469

Turk detected

>>81223983
>Lives in Spain, one of the countries who where the most cucked by mooslems
>still thinks the christians were in the wrong

How's that Stockolm syndrome working for you

>>81224052
so what? suevi, vandals and alans could also have taken a lot of stuff from roman and greek heritage when they toke Iberian Peninsula, but they didn't.

>>81224147

>Saladin
>Arab

He was a Kurd... jackass

>>81224733
its all the same shit camelfucker

>tfw fucked saladins ancestor a few years ago

was good arab pussy

>>81223983
>. it`s not called Dark Age for nothing.
HAHAHAHAHAH

>>81224704
christians and jews had actual medicine in muslim Spain while the rest of europe used barbaric methods
http://mentalfloss.com/article/52689/5-bizarre-and-scary-historical-headache-cures
enjoy your trepanning, fag

>>81224764

Kurds are persians not arabs, it's "the same thing" if you consider Germans and Kenyans to be "the same".

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>>81223983
>I´m from Spain

the spanish quarter of Tel-Aviv?

>>81224726

Yes they did you retarded faggot, they revived Roman systems of rule and ushered in a new age of peace, that ended only when Justinian invaded and destroyed fucking everything, paving the way for the Arabs to sweep in an bury what was left.

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>>81221884
all the blood the goys can offer and more! remember he died for your sins!

>>81224764

Arabs were desert dwellers.

Kurds are actually closer to Persians/Armenians than Arab

>>81224869
no germans and kenyans look nothing alike but give me a kurd and an arab and its the same thing

i didnt know she was persian, maybe she was, she was hot

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>>81224857
this.
Also, after we assimiliated all that technological and scientific advance, we Reconquista'ed the shit out of the country

>>81224857
>memesite

wew

>>81223005
Tell me about the Pope, why he were the Tiara?

>>81225076
>why he were
>the tiara

>>81225076
i think the three crowns represent the three parts of the Holy Trinity as is traditionally understood in catholic christology. its supposed to demonstrate that the pope is the bridge to Christ, who is also the holy spirit and the father.

>>81224733

>expecting American education to come through

>>81224147
Saladin wasn't 'defending his homeland' and it wasn't anymore 'christian territory' than it was territory belonging to any other religion. Might makes right, and if you can take it and hold it it's yours. The Crusades were about probing that the Muzzies were better at that in the region.

That said, I havn't seen the directors cut, but the movie which hit theaters was SJW propaganda about Islam being "The religion of peace". It is a warlike religion, and there was no 'just side' in that conflict. Saladin WAS the epitome of medieval chivalry, which is totally dissonant with classic liberal values.

JERUSALEM IS BRITISH CLAY.

We took it from the smelly Arabs and America made us give it away.

>>81223859
Open a fucking history book, they were far worse. Europe overtook the Middle East only after the Black Death and the Renaissance, in the 15th century.

>>81225261
just stop sucking muslin cock my friend, jesus

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>>81225207
no, that's not what happened. Palestine was taken from the Turks and given to the League of Nations, who allowed the British to administer it for a short period of time, and then the British army was almost entirely thrown out by Jewish and Arab insurgents which eventually led to the partition plan.

>>81225207
nope. Technically, the King of Spain is still the ruler and king of Jerusalem Kingdom.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_titles_and_honours_of_the_Spanish_Crown
sorry protestpal, you rock the XVII-XVIII, but the XV-XVI was ours!

>>81225261
>open a fucking history book, they were far worse

holy fuck i don't know why i get surprised when /tv/ proves itself to be absolutely cucked

>>81224595
That is the plebbest thing anyone has ever said on this board.

>>81225402
can you give me a list of good european medieval action movies please anon?

>>81225331
>>81225390
get an education you stupid rednecks, it's still free even in your shithole.

>>81225347
Taken by the British in 1917.

>y-y-ou only got to administer it and all of history records it as being controlled by Britain during that period but that doesn't count!!!!

>>81225441
not that guy, but how about a modern documentary?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1csr0dxalpI

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>>81225441
Eclipse of the Crescent Moon

>>81225357
my god. Aragorn is a fucking pussy

>>81225453
nice high IQ reply

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>>81221884

>>81225453

are you a muslin or a marxist?

>>81225471
zulu is great, but i was asking because i genuinely couldn't think of a better one than the director's cut of kingdom of heaven.

>>81225492
thanks mate, i'll check it out.

>>81225357
>tfw you´ll never be this majestic
why even live

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>>81225470
because British ownership of the area was dependent on the League of Nations and then later the United Nations. when the UN told you to leave, you left, so you didn't really own it.

if your friend asks you to watch his house while he's out of town, you don't own his house, retard.

>>81225347
MY FUCKING SIDES

>>81225441
Not medieval, but there are plenty.

The best historical war movie is of course Waterloo.

>>81225515
nope. He actually read books.

>>81225453
good goy, these europeans are so evil, attacking peaceful nations since forever! the world would be better of without them!

>>81225503
And you could do the same if you would finally manage to finish grade school.

>>81225563
so, a marxist?

>>81225357
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_titles_and_honours_of_the_Spanish_Crown
whoa dude

>>81225562
yes but that's the point, i'm looking for medieval ones. there's a similar problem with pre-20th century naval combat movies, good ship battles are even harder to find.

>>81225601
No, educated - but since you never get one you won't understand it.

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>>81225357
>tfw there will never be a more based emperor than Charles V

>>81225627

Judging by the tone, yes, most definitely marxist.

>>81224857
>It was called the Dark Ages because all the technology/works of non-fiction was destroyed by barbaric apes from countries like yours

>>81225623
With Fire and Sword

Eastern Europeans made GOAT movies, with millions of extras, as they were practically free.

>>81225515
Not him, just another Godless heathen. Better to live under the Ayyubid and coast on the coat tails of the Persians than be burned alive up north. Also, fuck European winters.

>>81225441
Los Borgia (2006) is pretty good.
also, not medieval but Alatriste is amazing and pretty accurate. also, the fights are GOAT tier, not flashy hollywood stuff, just guys trying to drill your fucking rib cage and save the life

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDS09DDpY14

check it out, pal

>>81225196
Saladin was portrayed as the epitome of medieval chivalry paradoxically by the west.. he was just like any other power hungry ambitious leader of the time.. following on from his predecessor nur al-din

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>>81225680
Fine choice.

>>81225659
No, that's the tone an adult, educated person uses when he has to teach Cletus a lesson on his sheer stupidity.

>>81225697
>Also, fuck European winters.

Confirmed sandnigger.

>>81225669
Actually it was destroyed mostly by the barbaric apes brainlessly following that dead jew on a cross.

>>81225697
>Also, fuck European winters.

Put a coat on you stupid nigger

>>81225357
the fuck dude. I knew the Spanish Empire was hegemonic later in renaissance but holy fuck

>>81225713
>literally calls him a cuck

Is Alatriste /ourguy/?

>>81225713
>>81225680
thanks brehs

>>81225770
>there are people who believe this and don't know Christian monasteries were protected centres of learning

>>81225752
Traveled southern Yankee, actually.

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>>81225796

Literally boat Jews

>>81225770
The late Roman Empire was Christian you triple nigger.

>>81225357
>>81225656
this is the closest thing to planet-level dominance that mankind has achieved.
respect

>>81225861
>southern Yankee

The worst of both worlds.

>>81225656
>look him up
>see the chin

He was the fucking bogdanoff of his time

>>81225770
This literally isn't true at all, if it wasn't for the monasteries and monks we would have lost countless ancient literature and knowledge.

>>81225790
> Coat is all you need
> Ignore that six feet of snow
> And the mess it makes since few of our roads were paved
> And the flu and other epidemics caused by being forced indoors most of the winter
> Baths are right out too

But at least the sewage freezes, right?

>>81225825
>not knowing that the only thing protected and learned there was the bible and the texts of the approved few apologists
>calling that learning
You're one of those barbarous ape-men following the kike-on-a-stick, isn't it?
>>81225867
Yea, just read how well they were treating their roman heritage...

>>81225357
spain + some other shitty small cities and regions around iberia. yeah lol ok.

>king of cyprus
>king of jerusalem

nice headcannon spain

>>81225965
>Yea, just read how well they were treating their roman heritage...
The Romans themselves were Christian, you dumb fuck. The actual fucking Romans.

Have you heard about Byzantium? Do they teach about that in Pakistan?

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>>81225669
what dude? christians destroyed greek heritage, pal. by the time visigoths destroyed all the culture of Spain, muslims kingdom were not even a thing you fool.
Read about Hypatia of Alejandria. or just watch Agora if you can't fucking read history books

>>81222937
>Saladin refused our city in favor of yours. We have to find out what it's worth.
>NOTHING! IT'S WORTH EVERYTHING!

>>81225713
damn, that's some sweet atmosphere

>>81225751
Such a great fucking scene.

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>Saladin
overrated hack that stole everything Nur al-Din had built up after he died of illness

even his uncle was a more accomplished leader

>>81221884
A million dead sandniggers.

>>81225867
that's what killed it yeah

>>81225937
Don't be a complete cretin, it's common knowledge among people that have opened other books than the bible in their lives that literally every ancient literature we still have bar some Aristotle (and a really chopped up version of that even) has been recovered from arab sources, mostly from Spain and Damascus. And the reason they had them is because the followers of that semite death god didn't had the time to find out every single copy of those books and destroy them, like they did in Europe.
>>81226001
Yes, they were romans, but romans following a death cult that hated everything that was against their cult Or is this to har to understand fot your puny xian brain?
BTW, i'm romanian you fucking cretin, i got taught more about Byzantium in school that you know about your entire shitty history.

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>>81225802
Diego is based as fuck bro

>>81226027
Olive fuckers standing around a fig tree discussing the art of having an actual job

>>81226116
At this point you are definitely trolling.

Good job, solid 7/10.

>>81226144
>i'm romanian

Ah, then I understand everything. You should have started with this, I know better than arguing with fucking gypsies.

>>81226040
>well congratulations, you baited us into open battle. What's the next step in your master plan?

>>81225971
except for those cities where warrior kingdoms that ruled for centuries until spanish kings conquered them.
European history is not like your shitty conquer of west, you amerifag

>>81225196
You do realise Saladin was viewed positively by his contempories. Read a fucking book.

>>81226175
That was my first reply though. Troll dismissal isn't going to get you out of this.

>>81223983
>sand nigger rape baby defending Islamic occupation
Shut the frick up

>>81226202
Wow, gypsies, of course, the fact that we have about 5% of our population made up of them is all that matters. Especially when USA only has 56% of whites and less than 45% white kids under 5.
But at least we gypsies got an education , while you only got the bible and....what?

>>81226262
Out of what?

Are you saying that Christian Romans destroyed their own empire, and burned down Rome itself, not pagan Vandals, Huns and others?

Is this what you are saying? Because it sure sounds like it, and this means you are trolling, as literally noone on this site is this fucking stupid.

>>81226362
Sure Radu. Don't you have something to steal? It's almost nighttime over there, you should get to work, those tourists ain't gonna rob themselves.

>>81226240
this.
Take of Granada or Jerusalem worth more than a bunch of modern countries.

>>81226456
Don't you have a bbc to suck?
Or is it your wife's turn?

>all these memeing /pol/ fags

Muslims are shit tier now, but at the time they were more advanced than the Christians

>>81226417
>Are you saying that Christian Romans destroyed their own empire, and burned down Rome itself, not pagan Vandals, Huns and others?

Are you acting like there's one unified theory as to why the Roman Empire fell? That's funny shit. As a matter of fact though the Roman Empire could not afford to assemble a new army to fight off the Visigoths that ended up sacking the western capital, so yes it was very much Rome's own fault for its failings and much of that can be traced to societal degradation over the years leading up to the chaos that was the latter imperial period and that can very much be blamed on the ripping out of one set of core beliefs and replacing them with another completely different set and hoping everything just works fine in the end.

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>>81227010
>The Rome fell from within meme

>>81226801
That was the decline period though.

The Abbasid Golden age had ended more then a century ago and the Caliphat was fragmented into different meme emirates, while the House of Wisdom was a former shadow of itself.
The science output by the Ayyubids (Saladins dynasty) was nothing compared to what it could have been if there never was a civil wars.

>>81227010
But Christians were a persecuted minority up until the Roman Empire split in half.

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>>81225545
Only if I annex it

>>81221884
The world.

>Not believing in the 2nd coming of Jesus

I will pray for you.

Watched this the other day, it's ok but I don't know why people think it's so great. Felt rushed as fuck.

>>81227452

Did you watch the DC?

>>81227452
>he didn't watch directors cut

this meme will never die

>>81227480
>>81227476
Where can I find it? Not on sky movies

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>Saladin was a Kurd
>fought for Arabs and Turks instead of establishing Kurdistan
what did he mean by this?

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>>81221884
Withdraw or we will all TSUUU here

>>81221884
Why does he wear the mask ?

>>81223936
>Saladin
>a Muslim defending his """"homeland"""" against foreign invaders
You neglect to mention the fact that the Muslims themselves were conquerors of the region and subjugators of its original Christian inhabitants (the Greco-Romans and the Coptics who had inhabited the region for centuries and, in the case of the Copts, millennia prior).

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>mfw everyone on /tv/ is a historian all of a sudden

This thread is actually pretty interesting, but citing your claims from reputable sources would do a whole lot to strengthen your arguments and aid the uninformed in learning the truth.

>>81222956


>Dr. Bill Warner
>A faggot bowtie wearing PhD in mathematics with no experience as a historian whatsoever
Great meme brosef, 10/10 would post on reddit for dem upboats

>>81227636
the idea of nation-states weren't around until relatively recently.

>>81227766
That happened centuries before, the "original" christians themselves were conquerors themselves centuries before that, and on and on and on.

Where the fuck are you going with this?

>>81227925
No, dipshit, the area was peacefully annexed by Alexander the Great when the Egyptian Copts (the people who had inhabited the region for thousands of years) willingly threw open the gates to him. This was, of course, centuries prior to Christianity even being a thing. After Alexander's death, the Ptolemaic Hellenistic kingdom was established in Egypt; the population at this point might best be described as Greco-Coptic as the two peoples had peacefully intermixed via trade and cultural diffusion by this point. This kingdom was later conquered by the Romans (who left the natives unmolested by the way). Centuries after this conquest, Christianity spread via cultural osmosis rather than forceful coercion throughout the Empire (this obviously included Egypt). In other words, the native Greco-Roman -Coptic population at this point willingly adopted Christianity over a long period of time thanks in no small part to a burgeoning Christian scholasticism and rhetoric proving to be increasingly popular in the area of Egypt in particular. There was no Christian conquest. There would, of course, later be a Muslim conquest of the region which saw many natives either killed, raped, sold into slavery, or converted to Islam at the point of a sword. The idea that Saladin, the progeny of Muslim interlopers and brigands, was somehow defending " his homeland of Egypt" against Christian invaders is thus spurious at best, and you're being outright deceitful at worst by claiming he was some sort of patriotic defender of some proverbial motherland that was never his to begin with.

a lot

>>81228427
>no citations

tldr

>>81227624
can some lad answer this please

>>81228692
I'll find it for you, but only if you promise to watch it with your undivided attention.

>>81228744
I swear under God that I will put aside the full run time under optimal lighting snacks and conditions to view it

>>81225656
DE KONING VAN HISPANJE HEB IK ALTIJD GEËERD

>>81228776

http://www.veoh.com/watch/v36905654gYMRWkzd

Godspeed, chap.

>>81225751
>>81223502
how could they have cast such a based actor for saladin

that natural 10/10 charisma

>>81228984
cheers

>>81224879
Spain is intensely Catholic

>>81228562
Congratulations, you just lost the argument. Everything I have written there can easily be corroborated by spending a little time researching what I have written online via google. I mean, I know even the thought of doing a little actual research and fact checking gives most of you Muslims a coronary, but you should at least attempt to educate yourself. This is an anonymous image board, not a term paper. If you feel the need to check out what I've said, and I suggest you do if you really are invested in understanding the conflict, then the obligation is on you.

>>81226304
>>81223859
>>81224052
>>81224337
>>81224550

>eurofags so sure their culture is so much better.

western culture will die anon, like all others.

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>>81229058
I expect you to create a thread with your reaction to it. I'll be here.

>>81229125

Man i'm on your side but that's not how burden of proof works lad

>>81229125

uh huh. still no sources. keep prattling, tldr.

>>81229146
It won't die, just transition into something else.

>>81229125
>being so butt troubled about not being taken as gospel that you resort to autistic ad hominems

wew
e
w

>>81229244
I think it will mix with others, like Islam and something else.

>>81225723
Nope.

In fact, Muslim historians threw him under the bus for some 600 years because he was considered to be such a compromising Christian sympathizer.

Only in the last 100 years or so have Muslims started liking him again because they realized "Hey, he might have been a sympathizing/pacifist/negotiating-with-infidels compromiser, but, oh... yeah... HE TOOK FUCKING JERUSALEM."

>>81224337
People really need to be taught in schools that quite a lot of progress happened in Europe during the post-Roman period.

This crap about the Islamic world being a bastion of philosophy and learning during the medieval period in comparison to barbarian Europe is one of the most mind-numbing attitudes around. From the start to the end of the European medieval period, tell me that you aren't impressed by the output of Augustine or Aquinas, or by the development of the independent Italian communes or the Holy Roman Empire. What part of the Islamic world produced or indeed could produce anything resembling the Magna Carta? What institution in the Islamic world could produce an equivalent to the Peace and Truth of God movement?

People seem baffled by what happened in Europe during the Middle Ages - I really wish it was studied more in schools so as people could realise at the very least how indebted we are to the development of Christianity and its institutions during the period, and maybe even reach the conclusion that there was nothing "Dark" about the age at all.

>>81229176
Burden of proof is really only applicable in an environment where new ideas are being presented in a legitimate scientific or academic debate, not when it comes to shooting the shit on anonymous image boards. I am not presenting new ideas or arguments, and so I am not going to needlessly provide sources for basic historical facts/incidences that take all of five minutes on google to confirm.

>>81229465
Yeah, that's not how it works. Burden of proof always falls on someone when they present an argument if it is asked for. Your refusal to provide it just proves you have no idea what you're talking about beyond vague recollections of high school European History.

>>81221884

ooh baby do you know what that's worth

>>81223898
This movie could have been 10x better if they just case someone with an ounce more charisma than Orlando Bloom

>>81229412
He took over Jerusalem because of the infighting and the fact that the commander of the crusader forces decided to march his troops across a desert for a day or two (with little or no food and water) to engage a well rested and provisioned army.

As soon as the crusaders had a competent commander (Richie) Saladin got his shit slapped.

>>81229264
>every lighthearted insult that happens to offend my paper thin liberal sensibilities is autistic.
nice ad hominem sweet boy

So I've been reading a bunch of books regarding Tamerlane, The Ottmans and Ibn Battuta.

It's fascinating that the middle east was or arab world was once the bastion of civilization with medicine, philosophy, education and charitable works being emphasized in their culture.

Even the Kazakh regions back then, people were eating three times a day with grilled meats and desserts during their afternoon siesta. Meanwhile Europeans were having a hard time getting by with their daily rations.

Funny how things turn around. Wonder if the cycle will happen again.

>>81229551
I'm characterizing your ad hominems, not you. Try harder, sweet anon.

>>81224764
>saladins ancestor

You have a time machine?

>>81229125
Not sure why you are receiving the negative feedback (aside from the retard wanting you to cite things). Everything you said should be familiar to anyone with even a smidgen of knowledge of Alexander and the Roman Empire, or just early Christianity and Islam.

>>81229580
>samefagging this blatantly

embarrassing

>>81229547
>He only took Jerusalem because he destroyed the army of Jerusalem and then sieged Jerusalem!
ok

You act like the bad strategy on the side of the Army of Jerusalem was Saladin's fault.

>>81229558
Didn't they take over most of eastern europe and burn any non muslim books.

Some thing along the lines of if it's a Christian book burn it because its heretical, if it's a muslim book burn it because we already have it.

>>81229603
If you're the same retard asking him for citations, you need to try and look less desperate.

>>81229499
Within reason mate.There is no argument or presentation of original ideas and so there is no actual burden of proof. I'm simply pointing out the facts. If he can't look up a timeline of Egypt, that's his problem.

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*ends your golden age*
psht, nothing personel kid

Will there ever be a thread about this enjoyable flick without it degenerating to some Christian-Muslim shit slinging?

>>81229689
That's not how burden of proof works, "mate." Regardless of if the idea is original or not, if someone asks for a source, you provide it. After all, you're not the authority---just someone parroting something he may recall from some textbook he may have skimmed.

>>81229155
Starting it now

>>81229660
nah but you're the same retard refusing to provide them

>>81225751
>there are some people that have never seen the Director's cut of Kingdom of Heaven

Truly they have my pity.

>>81229608
it was more a counter point to the whole muslims like him now because he took Jerusalem.Beating an incompetent force is not exactly something to be proud of.

>>81229569
Why are you so upset about the tongue in cheek idea of Muslims being so utterly adverse to fact checking to the point where they 'have a coronary' if they so much as try? Why do you term this insult 'autistic'? Does it fluster you for some reason?

>>81229753
I find it Ironic that your both having an argument about what burden of proof is without providing any sources for your arguments.

>>81229860
I find it ironic that you're talking about irony without providing any sources for what irony is.

Sweet logic, you limp-dicked brainlet. There's a difference between citing a phrase and citing a whole bunch of facts substantial to an argument.

>>81229856
>still no citations
tldr

>>81229952
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemaic_Kingdom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt_(Roman_province)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Egypt

Here comes the airplane habibi - open wide!

>>81229912
>Still no Citation

I bet you have a gag reflex as absent as your father figure.

>>81230058
>wikipedia
>not even articles from wikipedia (lel), but the entire wiki
>not citing a respectable source
>not citing fact by fact

yeah nah

>>81230072
Try not to project, my homosexual African-American comrade. Take the L. It's okay to be a dummy. Standard bell curves exist for a reason. You're well-represented.

>>81229816
I don't know what you're trying to accomplish making a "counter point to what 100 year old Muslim historians think" on a television imageboard with a 14-year-old's sense of history, but knock yourself out.

>>81230093
>le Wikipedia bogey man!
You people are basically unreachable. All articles posted have been well vetted and contain multiple citations of their own should you require more information (despite barely being a paragraph of reading for some of the articles posted). I've come to terms with the fact that your people are so bull-headed that you will actively try every trick in the book to avoid having to acknowledge historical fact. No wonder the middle east is such a shit show.

>>81230258
uh huh. still no citations. i accept your surrender

>>81230278
It's weird how you're happy essentially claiming that black is white. You're either a troll, a fundamentalist or one of these weird new breed of liberals who will try anything to avoid having to discuss Islam's less than stellar past and spurious claims to land ownership and national identity. Whatever the case - gross - I'm done here.

>>81230414
tldr

>>81230429
didn't or couldn't?

>>81230502
i can only read well-supported arguments. rare form of aphasia

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>>81221884
tree fiddy

>>81230549
sorry to hear about your form of mental disability, hope you get better.

>>81230645
it's an evolutionary benefit 2bh. tuning out retards has never been easier throughout the course of human history

>>81230660
involuntarily ignoring retards isn't necessarily an evolutionary benefit.

>>81230703
name one (1) scenario where it wouldn't be

i expect citations

>>81230757
do you expect citations for speculative scenarios? here's one;

your lack of ability to interact with retards forces you into a small social circle where after several generations the inbreeding makes you susceptible to many forms of disease. this is of course assuming you aren't already too autistic to ever have any offspring.

Mouse, Anon E. "/Tv/ - What Is Jerusalem Worth? - Television & Film - 4Chan". Boards.4chan.org. N.p., 2017. Web. 3 Apr. 2017.

>>81231036
yeah, unfortunately that's not how the founder effect or a genetic bottleneck works. again, bell curves exist for a reason. also, 2.3% of the human population that relies on the extreme positive tail of a curve is still more than enough to ensure acceptable genetic variation in future progeny

>>81222937
Wow, Big Poppa Pump looks like THAT?!

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>movie is over 3 hours
Sigh... I never watched this and reading through this thread made me want to, but it's so long... Is it really worth it?

>>81231089
citation needed

>King of Spain, King of Castile, of León, of Aragon, of the Two Sicilies, of Jerusalem, of Navarre, of Granada, of Toledo, of Valencia, of Galicia, of Majorca, of Seville, of Sardinia, of Córdoba, of Corsica, of Murcia, of Menorca, of Jaén, of the Algarves, of Algeciras, of Gibraltar, of the Canary Islands, of the East Indies and West Indies and of the Islands and Mainland of the Ocean Sea;Archduke of Austria;Duke of Burgundy, of Brabant, of Milan, of Athens, of Neopatras and of Limburg ;Count of Habsburg, of Flanders, of Tyrol, of Roussillon and of Barcelona;Lord of Biscay and of Molina.

Mfw I will never have this many titles

>>81229176
If you don't have the most rudimentary education on the matter, you have no place discussing it. This is "common knowledge" in context

>>81223132
Literally every tangerine dream OST ever. Vangelis's music for blade runner. Jonny Greenwood's work on PTA's movies.

I mean its good, I don't want to shit on it. But I wouldn't call it GOAT by any stretch.

>>81231168
>He watches movies that are under 6 hours long

You have to go back

Directors cut only, theatrical is trash. And yes.

>>81231170
EGAD!

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/zoo.1430030302/full

>Unfortunately, the solution of simply avoiding inbreeding could not be implemented because the entire herd was descended from one import male and three import females. Because of this founder effect, it was impossible to avoid inbreeding.

the rest of the article details how that can be avoided. again, 2.3% (~97%, extreme positive end of 2-tail bell curve) is enough to avoid inbreeding depression and reduced genetic variation-->diseased humans

>>81224704
>the most cucked by mooslems
Are you high? If it wasn't for Spain all of europe would be praying to mecca a thousand years earlier. Ever hear of the Reconquista? 700+ years of consolidating the Iberian Peninsula under Christian rule.

>>81231360
are you implying you can afford access to all 2.3% of the human population and can mate with them, or that the 2.3% will become a single social circle?

>>81231406
i'm implying i can make it work with a 100 qt3.14s (1.25^-8 of human pop.)

>>81223676
It's basically a commentary on how irrational the whole conflict is

>>81226040
fucking lold, not sure why baneposting still cracks me up so much

>>81231445
i find it very unlikely that you'd be able to have offspring with a member of a group distributed worldwide with a population of 100.

>>81231509
and that's why you should stick to the history channel

>>81231537
why would i watch a channel i don't have because of your perceived incapability to breed?

>>81231595
because imaginary tv suits your 3-year old mind more than trying to banter, you raging sperg

>>81231618
isn't all tv imaginary in that someone had to imagine filming it in the first place? and that's not even mentioning the imagination-inclusive processes of framing, editing etc.

also, can you cite where you got my age?

>>81231689
i'm a time-traveler. i realized your age after you gave me your definition of what constitutes "imaginary" and applied it to the preceding post

>>81231723
my definition of imaginary: things that involve or are a result of a process of imagination.

the dictionary definition of imaginary didn't apply to your original use of "imaginary television" as said programs exist or existed physically in the form of sets, scripts, costumes etc, and also on film and digital memory.

that being said, your citation wasn't acceptable. even if it was, i'd have to ask for a citation regarding your time-traveler status, and method of time-travel.

>>81221884
about $3.50

>>81226144
>mongolians sack Baghdad
>throw all the books from the library into the tigris
>it literally turns black from the ink
>they fill in the extensive canal system that had been slowly built up since the dawn of civilization
>literally set the entire region back to the stone age
>the region STILL hasn't fully recovered
Pretty sure they burn the Library at Alamut too. God damn mongorians.
Did they manage any lasting benefits to any civilization?

>>81231826
>being this retarded

i'd set you straight, but i doubt it has a lasting effect. you are only 3, after all.

>confirming my time-traveling capabilities

people have been v& for less on this site. nice try ya goof

>>81231908
can you cite the method you'd use to set me straight?

>>81229657

The Ottomans were very tolerant towards their subjects. As long as you followed the rules and paid taxes all was fine.

Even the Jannisary recruitment was seen as something prestigious. Christian peasants used to hide their kids but eventually begged the Ottomans to take em into the Jannisary core because of how well they prospered in it.

>>81229748
>diverts a river to wipe out all trace of your cities

PSHHHH

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>>81227840
>/tv/
>sources
What do you think this is? /pol/-ite?

>>81226144
>Don't be a complete cretin, it's common knowledge among people that have opened other books than the bible in their lives that literally every ancient literature we still have bar some Aristotle (and a really chopped up version of that even) has been recovered from arab sources, mostly from Spain and Damascus. And the reason they had them is because the followers of that semite death god didn't had the time to find out every single copy of those books and destroy them, like they did in Europe.

This is bullshit. All these books existed in europe and ERE which monks painstakingly worked on copying each and every day in their lives

>>81231885
>>81231885

Read John Man's book on Genghis Khan.

His descendants had a great impact on history. One could argue Europe eventually benefited greatly from it.

>>81227840
even if anyone did no one would go looking, and the first thing you should learn about history is that it is literally lookign through past shitposts and trying to sift it for truth, often with a bestselling book or paper and an ego in mind.

>>81231989
i'd use your own logic. unfortunately, i'm not sure if you can follow the pretzel train

>>81232106
that isn't a citation

>>81232158
sure it is. it's very clearly reference and also accessible. look back 15 minutes.

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>>81221884
About ten quid on Amazon. More for the three-volume edition.

>>81232201
i am not a time traveler. properly structure your citation.

How do people even begin to spout that "Islam is a religion of peace"? I truly don't understand it. Abrahamic religion in general is iconoclastic, but the arrival of Islam coincides with a series of violent conquests and subjugation/destruction of Arab-pagan culture. Muhammad himself was a conqueror.

And as much as people like to stir shit about the crusades as evidence for Christian violence, the amount of sheer conquering and warfare the Muslims ushered in dwarfs anything that occurred during the crusades. Egypt, Northern Africa, the Levant, Persia, Spain, Sicily, the Balkans. I could go on about the utter barbarity of more eastern offshoots of the Muslim war machine such as Timur and the Mughals (depopulation of Delhi)

So back on topic, how the fuck could anyone consider this a religion of peace?

>>81232237
it has been. just reread your own words.

It feels refreshing to read a discussion about the crusades and not have every other post be le happy merchant or infographs about muh jew conspiracy. So nice to not be on /pol/

>>81232345
reading things from 15 minutes ago isn't looking back 15 minutes. your citation was too informal to be taken seriously. please use better structure.

>>81232367
shame the discussion is shit and the posters are ignorant as fuck.

>>81232409
it's all there. i'm not being peer-reviewed, so you're gonna have to deal with the structure. please use better reading skills

>>81232053
>One could argue Europe eventually benefited greatly from it.
Only because Ghengis died and they recalled their armies before getting into Europe proper. Its more like they benefitted by everyone besides them getting fucked back to the stone age.
And I guess it helped unify china after the Song dynasty deflated, but it's china, and the Dynastic Cycle/Mandate of Heaven is long and complicated. It's more of a tar baby that sucks you into it the harder you try to fight it.

>>81232437
i don't have to deal with it to be honest, and i won't.

>>81232424
Said the asshole that consistently refuses to capitalize like a grown up.

>>81223676
Jerusalem is worthless city monetarily at the time. However, it's a holy city for both religions and thus worth everything.

>>81232485
you are, though, since you can't change it.

>>81232367
>>>/his/

>>81232424
I'll enjoy my small victories, and I love not being the object of hate in a 4chan history blamegame screed.

>>81232545
nah, not really.

>>81232617
>white flag response
disappointing but expected 2bqhwuf

>>81232642
guess you'll have to deal with it.

>>81223936
Honestly, muslims/arabs/middle easterners are such scum, it doesn't matter how "just" their side is. They deserve "lunatic murderers" to descend upon them from all sides, for all years.

>>81223265
>this video is not available

what the fuck?

>>81232002
>Christian peasants used to hide their kids but eventually begged the Ottomans to take em into the Jannisary core because of how well they prospered in it.

I'd like to see a source for this claim.

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>>81232672
oh i am. with pleasure. just marked my diary with my third victory of the day

SAAA ---LLAAAA---UHHHHNNN--DIN

>>81225751
this movie gave me a flag and banner fetish

ITT: obvious samefagging
If you're going to argue with yourself don't make it so painfully obvious.

>>81232983
>samefagging to criticize samefagging

babby's first Nolan just happened, huh?

>>81221884
About tree fiddy.

>>81221884
i kinda wish someone was autistic enough to calculate the real-estate value of modern jerusalem

>>81233222
Checked.
The problem is that back then it wasn't an important place because of it's lands, but because it was a crossroads for all kinds of valuable trade coming north, from africa and arabia, and the trade from the silk road headed west. If you control Jerusalem it meant you got a little taste from everything passing through your borders. It was at the edge of the known world/civilization to the Europeans.
The last thing you want is an unfriendly empire dictating the trade to Europa herself. The fact that it is coincidentally the Holy Land means its that much easier to use religion as your casus belli.

>>81233595
thanks for the post. the fact that it's a holy land isn't coincidental, it's status is partly the reason why it got as many visitors both touristic and trade oriented. that said, i meant i wished someone would literally look up housing and land prices in modern day jerusalem and came up with an estimate for the city, either only the urban are or one with the surrounding rural estates as well.

>>81226040
One of the best Banepost I've ever seen.
Nice work, brother!

>>81225751
I don't remember the green screen being so noticeable.

>>81226027
Agora supposedly has a lot of historical errors.

When I was sixteen I won a great victory. I felt in that moment that I should live to be one hundred, now I know I shall not see thirty. None of us know our end really, or what hand will guide us there. A King may move a man, a father may claim a son. That man can also move himself. And only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played, or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone. Even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power. When you stand before God, you cannot say "but I was told by others to do thus" or that "virtue was not convenient at the time." This will not suffice. Remember that.

>>81233983
what makes it obvious?

>>81231168
It's only 3 hours. Only 1 hour longer than a normal film. Is it that hard to put that much time aside?

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>>81234078
>mfw there will never be a King Baldwin movie

>>81234094
I can't explain it. Just look at how the main character looks compared with his background.

>>81234235
Because he's in the direct shade of a tent in the middle of a bright ass desert. Even if you remove the direct light from the sun there is a ton of ambient light that reflects off of everything else. I don't think it's green screen, its the lack of an establishing shot/context of the scene that makes it look off to you now.

Seriously, go back and watch it.

>292 posts
>101 IPs

lol

>>81234328
Oh, hey, that may be it. It's been a while since I've seen it so I forgot he was under a tent in that scene.

>>81224469
Just an hero

>>81232561
Thanks anon. You're a real mensch.

>>81226362
Just stfu Mirca you tucking child.

>>81234428
whatever, nerd

>>81234428
all me

thanks for the bump you fat faggot

>>81223676

t.woman

>>81225751
>Orlando Bloom from 2001 to 2006
>Blackhawk Down
>3 lotr movies
>3 pirates movies
>KoH
>Troy

is that a GOAT blockbuster run?

especially by such a shit actor

>>81235900
He was only cast in KoH because the studio insisted because he was so popular at the time. I don't hate him, but he sticks out like a sore thumb while actors like Ed Norton, Liam Neeson, and Jeremy fucking Irons are just hamming it up and chewing scenery.

>>81232763
Working fine for me...

>>81228427
>There would, of course, later be a Muslim conquest of the region which saw many natives either killed, raped, sold into slavery, or converted to Islam at the point of a sword
See this is where your post becomes visibly full of shit.
The Muslim conquest of Palestine was nearly bloodless, in fact the siege of Jerusalem itself did not seem to result in even a single death, this is opposed to the Roman rulership of Palestine which erupted in horrible bloodshed all the fucking time (First Jewish-Roman war resulted in over a million deaths, just as a single example).
Funny thing is the Arabs didn't weren't even really responsible for the Byzantines losing Palestine, the Sassanid Persians were, and they murdered tens of thousands of Christians, but you don't hear people talking about that. The Persians then set the Jews in charge, but then when the Persians were defeated, it was ironically the Byzantines who came back and started massacring the Jews and forcing conversions.
Muslim forced conversion was a rarity at best until Ottoman times. The presence of other religious groups was if anything encouraged in the early years of Islam, as it gave Islamic rulers a means to collect more taxes by means of the jizya tax, not to mention the incredible trade benefits that came with having open pilgrimage sites. There's a fucking reason the Levant remained predominantly Christian for centuries after the Muslim conquest.

I'm not saying Muslims don't have blood on their hands, just that you are obviously stretching the truth in one side's favor.

>>81231168
Watch an hour every night, its just that easy.

>About to go to bed
>Notice this thread
>Don't want to miss a Kingdom of Heaven thread
>Open it
>It's just autistic /his/ shit
Feels relieving man

>>81238747
>too autistic to resist opening a thread in the asshole of the internet
>calls others autistic

kys my man

>>81229435
lmao all of that is only impressive if you're a christfag like yourself, and you're cherry picking from nearly 1000 years of history to come up with your 4 examples.

>>81225751
This will never not be kino.

>>81226040
>The city plan I just filed with King Baldwin lists me, my men, Lord Balian here, but only one of you!
>First one to talk gets to stay on my Holy City!
>Tell me about Saladin, what is Jerusalem worth to him?

Based mongol raped the muslim so hard their ass still hurt to this day.