Three Kingdoms

>>81216851
/lit/

>>81216851
Cao cao is my husbando.

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>>81216851
Sad that I won't get to experience watching it for the first time again

>>81216851
this is one of the greatest grand strategy historical series to be on television, the main characters are all amazing, the battles and backstabs huge, only other show that comes close(or even surpasses it IMO) is HBO Rome

I watched it for a while, I stopped soon after Cao Cao kills the entire house because they think they're trying to sell him out, that was funny as fuck but in general I didn't find it very interesting.

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>>81216995

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Classic Cao Cao

>>81216851
Where the fuck can you download this from?

>>81217703
Avistaz has them all, you just missed an open registration, they have them every few weeks though.

please post webm of liu bei's benevolence towards his son

SHU FOR LIFE
MUCH ADOU ABOUT NOTHING

>>81217703

Any public tracker has it, check nyaa.se

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>>81217754
never mind i have it

>>81216851
My Chinese friend says the 1995 version is better.

Is he right /tv/?

who wins 1v1 Guan Yu or Lu Bu ?

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>>81216851
Cao Cao is the best part.

>>81217849
I would like to know as well.

>>81217858
guan yu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HwqLI9VYG8

>>81216851
Couldn't watch it past Zhang Fei's assassination, too many feels hit home.

>>81217849
All I can say is that a chiense friend of mine also said it's better, but Chinese are history autists and I think it is a little more accurate to the material and follows Liu Bei a lot less.

>>81217849
>>81217956
I never completely finished either, but got around 30-40 episodes into them.

Obviously, 2010 wins in production, which in '95 is the typical chink series you'd expect it to be with sometimes styrofoam looking castles/walls, and acting, because Chen Jianbin as Cao Cao is Ciaran Hinds as Caesar-tier.

But 2010 very much makes Cao Cao the lead, and tries to make Wei much more sympathetic than the novels did. Which I like, since it also makes MUH BENEVOLENCE seem more like a crafty, not entirely righteous leader.
But that's not how the novels really read, at all. '95 is a better representation of it from what I saw, but as a Shu hater I really appreciated the change of pace of 2010 since Chinas avoided that shit like the plague until then because muh Han.

I'd give '95 a try. It might be too antiquated to get into for some, in which case go to 2010. And if you finish '95 or like it, you have another hundred some episodes of 2010 to get a new take on it.

In both shows, Lu Bu/Diao Chan's episodes fucking stink though. Such a drag. Feel free to skip them. Chinese drama romance is literally the worst, most shoehorned shit in the world.

>>81218123
>only 80ish episodes each actually
Fuck, I dropped both half way through. That bothers me.

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>>81216851
Brock Lesnar among Men

>>81217837
this explains a lot

>>81217837
That's why he grew up retarded.

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>>81218214
>>81218223
Don't bully Shan.

BAOOOOOOO

>>81218541
ZUMING

>>81218541
what happened?!

>>81217763
Dadudu!

>>81218307
i thought that was cocaine

>>81216851
Chen Gong did nothing wrong

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>>81217849
In a lot of ways it is better but I think it's too dated for millennials, particularly the CGI
>pic related

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>>81218791
niggas be fuckin' with my rice

Do they include the Nanman in this series?

Is Zhurong best girl, just like in DW?

how do you watch this and not get people mixed up or remember names

>>81219593
By liking it enough.

Seriously. The novels, the TV series, the games... Everyone has that problem at the start. You just get engaged enough to keep going, and you start working out whose who.

>>81219593
I've played Dynasty Warriors games for nearly 20 years, if you have an interest in it it's not any harder than remembering a period of history in other eras/areas of the world.

>>81219593
How do you not get the names in LoTR mixed up, or any historical? The characters are very different.

>>81216851
Wei of course, shu is just for brainwashing and muh benevolence bs. wu is irrelevant anyway

>>81217763
t. Zhuge Liang

>>81217858
Guan Yu was actually weak as fuck whereas Lu Bu was a legit badass.

>>81218196
>"Among men, Lu Bu. Among horses, Red Hare."

up to this fucking day i can still hear his Dynasty Warriors tune

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>>81219886
>Implying
You don't have to be a Sleepy Dragon to be the most gangster strategist this side of Jing province.

>>81219593
>he hasn't played Dynasty Warriors / ROTK that he doesn't know their faces and names by heart

c'mon

Top three episodes /tv/?
For me

18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kkjnGlkEdw&list=PL33A390995E9A7F00&index=21

42
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvgvcgEZ6_k&index=45&list=PL33A390995E9A7F00

93
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRH5s4Z3jn8&list=PL33A390995E9A7F00&index=96

>>81218886
Oh God. I loved that game yet never understood it (being 7 years old). Wouldn't mind having a go at it now.

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>>81219925
fuck off Zhuge Liang you suck

>>81216851
When I played DW and read the books I was for Wu. After watching this dude play Cao Cao I am for Wei.

>>81219937

>93 episodes

jesus. is this shit worth watching?

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who /fuccboi/ here

Does anyone have a download of the full ost?
>>81219974
easily one of the best TV series ever made

>>81216851
There's a reason the Han dynasty fell. That reason is that the last people in it were incompetent retards.
Cao Cao may be a big-eared villain, but he's the man.

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>>81219955
>"Fuck of Zhuge Liang"
>Posts that Pang Tong is better
>"F-fuck off Zhuge Liang"
Do I have to spell this one out for you, Sima Yi?

>>81219995

>Actually LOSES wisdom with age

How accurate.

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>>81217934
indeed he is

>>81218307
The hell was this about?

>>81219974
Do you have an interest in Three Kingdoms related stuff? If yes, then definitely. You'll probably never be able to stomach the shitty animu style stories in the Dynasty Warriors games again though (assuming you even play them at all of course).

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>>81219974
Hell yes. The show has keikaku coming out its ass.

>>81219937
Wait shit, I forgot about episode 27.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8e4LBSscVo&list=PL33A390995E9A7F00&index=30
You know what, forget it, most episodes are really good (some of the Shu and Wu only episodes do drag at times though).

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>>81220028
shouldn't you be retreating now Zhuge Liang?

>>81216851

Whichever ethnic group that goes on to found Song.

>>81219849
I didn't for LOTR cause they all looked unique and different

the hobbit however, I forgot all the dwarfs and got them mixed up

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>>81220313
Wait a second, is that you Meng Huo?

Hey remember when Yuan Shu declared himself emperor? He sure knew what he was doing.

>>81220429
*ping!

Outside of learning Chinese, is there anywhere I can learn about the actual history without the RotTK bias? Anyone know of any good books or even tv show/movies that stick closer to the history? I already know about the 95 version, which I intend to watch at some point.

>>81220526
Chen Shou's original Record of the Three Kingdoms, which later RotTK stuff is based on, is your best bet as it is everyone else's.
I see a lot of people pass around https://the-archlich.tumblr.com/character_analysis as a good source concerning figures but a) it only covers characters from the videogames and b) might have enough anti-Shu bias to go too far into the opposite direction.
>1995 version
Is much closer to RotTK in terms of Shu bias, you want 2010 if you want more to do with Cao Cao, Wei, and Liu Bei and pals being shady characters.

>>81220752
>Chen Shou's original Record of the Three Kingdoms, which later RotTK stuff is based on, is your best bet as it is everyone else's.
Thanks senpai, I'll have to look into this.
>Is much closer to RotTK in terms of Shu bias, you want 2010 if you want more to do with Cao Cao, Wei, and Liu Bei and pals being shady characters.
Well fuck, that's too bad, I may as well watch it anyway, it's not like I have anything better to do.

You ever hear of that Kongming website? It's kind of interesting, but I'm not sure how biased it is. I read it every once in a while, but I'm finding that Three Kingdom's information is much harder to find than what I had first assumed.

>>81220899
I haven't read much of Kongming's but it seems like as good a place as any to read up.
Like with archlich he denotes Chen Shou's work with SGZ, for Sanguozhi, so it's probably wise to look out for that.
I hope you have good luck in your search, because yeah, it's hard stuff to find and that's a real shame.

>China is at war again
>wars and bandits and famines everywhere
>be Shu, chill in the defensible basin with a self sustaining economy

>fucking Liu Bei and Zhuge Liang come to my town, conquer it and turn it into a military base against two other powers

>>81220018
Historically speaking, Cao Cao wasn't even a villain. At least, he wasn't any worse than the other warlords of the period. He was officially the last prime minister of the Han Dynasty and he fulfilled that role up until his death. He always had the opportunity to usurp the mandate of Heaven from the Han emperor, who he had in his custody as just a figurehead with no real authority, but he never did.

>>81216851
>2010 was 7 years ago

Makes me worried about how often can china make a great show.

The new Zhu Xian ain't so great either

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>>81220752
good use of space

>>81220429
This freed up our guy Sun Ce to keep on conquerin', thank the heavens

>>81221433
Yeah, there's also that.
I think tumblr in general has pretty shit formatting but I don't know for sure.

>>81220526
read the 2 mangas Sangokushi and Ravages of Time and play Dynasty Warriors / ROTK

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>Liu Bei is supposed to be the loveable hero because of bloodline and "muh virtue/honor"

>Chinese adore him, Westerners think he is a shrill self-righteous cuck

>Cao Cao is supposed to be the villain because he forgoes tradition and virtue for his ambition in tough times

>Westerners adore him, Chinese think he is literally the equivalent of the worst aspects of a person

>>81216851
Isn't the Three Kingdoms period heavily romanticised?

After playing the Dynasty Warriors games way back when I got really interested in it. Never watched this TV series though.

Zhang Liao was my husbando.

>>81222253
>and play Dynasty Warriors / ROTK
Oh believe me I have, I mainly got into Three Kingdoms stuff because of Dynasty Warriors 2 and 3. But obviously all of that is closer to RotTK, which takes a lot of liberties with certain events. It seems like it's very difficult to find anything that doesn't base its "history" on that book. I do enjoy manga though, so I may give those that you mentioned a look.

>>81222795
While that's true, the 2010 series at least showed that some Chinese are starting to see Cao Cao in a different light. I find it impossible to watch that show and not end up rooting for Cao Cao, and later on Sima Yi by the end of it. Then again, maybe I'm just viewing it from my evil Western barbarian point of view, it's possible that Chinese audiences hated 2010 Cao Cao, I'm not sure.

>>81220054
>Zhuge Liang tricks Sima Yi into attacking his supply base so Sima can take back the food Zhuge stole from him
>Allows Sima to win, but secretly drenches the food in oil, and plant explosives in the huts
>Shu army block the exits and traps the Wei army inside the camp
>Sets fire to it with arrows and ignites the explosives
>The entire Wei high command would have burned to death if not Heaven itself would have conjured up a freak rainstorm

>>81222795
chinaman friend told me that even after a lot of students learn the 'real' history, they still turn to Romance depictions of the era to pass their judgement.
i.e. all the Guan Yu the One Man Army bullshit, Cao Cao the devil, nothing wrong with baby-touchdown, etc.
he did say 2010 kind of started to sway people a little though, showing that it all really relies on all the games, shows, movies, books and whatnot they get based on 3K.

any chinkbros clarify?

>>81216851

Colacao-cao XDDXDxdxdXDXDXDx

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H-he really killed 1000 people in one battle all by himself right guys?

>>81223202
everyone with a name did

>>81222795
In chinese culture good and evil isn't an absolute like heaven and hell, god and satan. They respect and admire Liu Bei and Cao Cao and appreciate that both climbed unbeleivably high because both had very high aspirations and strong characters. They don't think less of Cao Cao because they portray him as evil, since being misunderstood, feared and hated is part of his tragedy just as the honourable and loving nature of Liu Bei is tragic in the end.

>>81222795
I blame Confucianism. Liu Bei is a textbook Chinese gentleman who every chinaman strove to become. Liu Bei represents the whole "muh ancestors and fanatical loyalty" schtick that the Chinese admired for millenia.

It's also interesting to note that Cao Cao is a hell of a better father to his entire football team of kids than Liu Bei is to his only son. Cao Cao didn't give a damn about "the oldest son inherits everything" garbage that Liu Bei obsessed about. He planned to name his 8-year old son as heir because he was a literal genius, until he sadly died young. Cao Cao was a real leader, someone who practiced an unorthodox form (at the time) of meritocracy. Liu Bei was bound by tradition and could never move freely as a result, which is why he was in his fiftied before he actually accomplished anything, and even then he had to make do with a territory that was only a third the size of Cao Cao's domain.

>>81223333
>sadly
kek no, he just got outplayed by someone of actual talent

>>81218123

The love story is kind of lame but I find the 2010 adaptation did a good job of presenting Lu Bu as a man with flaws instead of a superhuman monster. I was surprised at how much I could relate to him at times. Unexpected but welcome.

>>81216851
I got about halfway through before I got bored. Might continue someday.

>>81223333
>in his fifties before he actually accomplished anything

Cao Cao was pretty old as well, but Liu Bei came from the rock bottom and had to deal with a lot of autistic nobles because he was tring to reinstate a han dynasty. Cao Cao just crushed everyone into submission since he had no legacy to honour.

>>81223333
historically speaking set in stone rules of hereditary inheritance work better, the Khans destroyed their entire empire on the basis of Genghis's meritocracy, almost every Empire in history has had some big inheritance happening, sons are notorious for fighting amongst one another for the right to rule everywhere in history which is why such seemingly senseless rules are needed

>>81221433
I can't read his stuff because the the formatting's so bad.

>>81219995
Zhao Ziling for life.

>>81223202
Lu Bu was always propaganda to scare the enemies of whoever he was currently fighting for by saying shit like he kills thousands of people each battle, is a master archer and has the fastest horse in the world.

In reality he was traitorous with no basis for his military exploits and in the end begged for his life before being executed by Cao Cao. Cao Cao wasn't dumb enough to believe that Lu Bu would stay loyal to him so just ended it.

>>81220752
>After this, Liu Bei was made a county magistrate in Anxi. However, he was not actually qualified to serve in this position, since he never actually served as a cadet at the Imperial court and never received the sort of special nomination that would allow him to skip that step, so an official was sent to remove him from power. Liu Bei was furious when the official told him that he was being replaced but he resigned with quiet dignity. By which I mean he tied the man to a tree and beat him with a plank before hanging his seal of office next to the man and running away.

benevolence

>>81223771
t. Guan Yu

im assuming this is before the Qin King unites the seven kingdoms?

im about to watch the whole series on youtube

>>81223202
>>81223258
Not Lu Bu, but there is a chance that his former subordinate Zhang Liao did at He Fei.
>you will never charge into battle against 100,000 enemy soldiers with ~800 of your allies

>>81223893
>Qin

>>81223893
No, it's set around 500 years later, when the Han, imperial dynasty that came after the Qin collapses.

>>81223970

ah i see

well, i just started episode 1 and its looking good so far. only 480p on youtube doe

>>81223913
Zhang Liao attacked an encampment and did a lot better than Sun Quan expected he would. It was an impressive feat, but not directly 800 Vs. 100,000

He Fei itself was heavily fortified with 7000 men which Sun Quan couldn't take after several days.

He ended up having to retreat because a sickness was spreading amongst his men.

>>81220054
Sleeping dragon 'bout to drop nape

>>81224000

just finished episode 1

WOW

this is so much better than game of thrones

>>81223688
You didn't miss anything

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>>81216851
MORE LIKE 3 KINO-DOMS AMIRITE 4CHANS /TV/ SUB-BOARD? XDXD

>>81216851
Modern Three Kingdoms series has the best Cao Cao
Old Three Kingdoms series has best Zhuge Liang.

>>81216851
>Besides the shit fight scenes

Kinda sucks that they are so bad at times. The Diaochan arc when on for way too long as well

>>81219955
>zhuge liang finaly had the control of the armies to himself and conquered all the south easy and then went north to fight the weis but when he was winning he lost in the end

this will never fail to make me kek

>Red Cliff has great fight scenes but mostly shit story scenes
>2010 has great story scenes but mostly shit fight scenes

If only they just combined the two budgets and talent.

I'm forgiving of the fight scenes, since they managed to make a great 90+ episode show on the budget of a Hollywood b movie. Even then, the Red Cliff episode still managed to have a better naval battle than anything seen on Game of Plebs for example.

>>81226632
Its not that the fighting scenes took too long.
Sure the horse fights weren't incredibly well made and the army "battles" where just there to show that something was happening. But the political intrigue was what most people probably came to see and thats what we got most of the time.

The horrible CGI for the ship battles never failed to make me laugh though.

>>81223680
Tell that to the Julio-Claudians. Hereditary thrones are recipes for disaster.

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>ywn get a Total War game of Shogun 2 quality set in China

>>81228087
feels bad man

Why does /tv/ have better threads about the three kingdoms than fucking /his/? That board is a fucking joke.

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Why does everyone demonize Dong Zhou again?

He did almost nothing wrong (minus trusting Lu Bu).

>>81219593
It shows their names on screen half the time

>>81216851
As someone who plays a lot of Musou games WU for life. Is Lubu In this show? Might pick it up

>>81230233
>Is Lubu In this show?
He is actually, but don't expect his over the top theatrics from the games (except for maybe one episode). TK humanizes him and portrays him in a more realistic way.

>>81220108
That last scene in the episode where it turns out Cao Cao was partially lying and genuinely feels pain over losing a friend. ;_;