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Beltran was trying to get himself fired for years. He kept going in before the start of every season and asking for more money and they just kept giving it to him. Eventually, before the 7th season, he decided to ask for a love story line with Seven, figuring that this would certainly get him fired.

Well, you can see what happened.

Janeway would never cheat on Mark.

>>81193394
Mark left her early in the series

>>81193353
Interesting gossipmongering. You almost seem like a woman. Do you have any other juicy behind-the-scenes tidbits you are compelled to repeatedly share? Please disclose, I am a woman also.

>>81193353
he should've been killed off. honeslty his acootchiemoya shit was more annoying than any other characters' glaring blandness

>>81193441

Sorry, babe, I'm full dude. It's not gossip, I saw him talk about it in an interview himself. Plus he asked, I didn't feel compelled to share anything.

I have another tidbit though. Ur gey hahaloll!!!!1111ONEONEONE

>>81193476
>hating akoochemoya man
Chakotay was one of the good characters on the show

>>81193394
wasnt mark the dog?

>tfw we didn't get a Doctor/Seven relationship

>>81193439
This, you can't trust men. Not even a year and he already found another one

>Chakotay on paper: A charismatic leader of a rebel army.]
>Chakotay in actuality: A personality-free whitebread cuck

>>81194723
He was stoic and composed
Like a native american

>>81193283
Is it me or did none of the pairings make any sense? The Tom/Belanna pairing just came out of nowhere and felt forced. Neelix and Kess was cringe. Chakotay/Seven was super forced.

The only one that would have made sense was Seven and the doctor.

>>81193283

voyager was shit. don't even bother trying to make sense of it

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seven didn't abandon her amphibious children behind on some planet

>>81195161
Didn't Beltran demand the idea as one of the many attempts at getting himself fired?

>>81195161
I liked Tom and B'Elanna, thought they made a cute couple. Neelix's character definitely improved 1000x once Kes was gone though.

>>81195245
>you will never make transwarp salamander babies with Janeway

>ywn have a bdsm session with mirror kira

Why live?

why are tholians mentioned so much but almost never make appearances

>>81196891
>ywn have an alternate universe version of yourself eyefuck you as soon as you meet and then proposition you to be a selfcest fucktoy
it would be weird if visitor weren't so hot

>>81193283
chakotay has culture.

this explains everything.

>>81193283
>explain
Borg nanoprobes

>>81195189
>voyager was shit. don't even bother trying to make sense of it
this desu. The number of good episodes you can count on one hand.

Seven was the worst idea in a long string of bad ideas for Voyager.

VOYAGER WAS BAD

>>81194794

If he was a true Native American he would have spent the trip drunk and smelling of Listerine.

>>81199207
Jeri Ryan is never a bad idea.

>>81199271

Patrician taste.

>>81199271
A bit of wankbait is fine in Star Trek, but then they made her the main character of the show and tried to give her an actual personality. That just doesn't work. She should have just been a background character with the occasional closeup on her tits/ass for the horny nerds to jerk it to.

>>81199271
Jeri Ryan isn't a bad idea, but Seven was. If she was more than eye candy to bring up ratings, it would have been better.

What would have been better than bringing on eye candy? Better writing...but that's too hard so let's sell sex

>>81199443
Nothing like a show with an ensemble cast and nobody takes off as interesting for a center of the show. So bring in a new one.

>>81199443
>tried to give her an actual personality
some of that was annoying I'll agree, but they did the same shit with Tuvok, trying to paste a poorly thought out, badly written character onto an actor.

Tim Russ' best scenes were when his Vulcan shit started to slip, Jeri's were when parts of her psyche were relapsing into other assimilated individuals - don't remember the names of the episodes, sry.

A lot of that was bad writing, not really the casting problem.
Tuvok's best

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Why didn't Janeway just fuck Q?

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>>81199585
Tuvok was a great character though, he was easily one of the best/most complex characters in the series. It's a shame we didn't get to see more of him if anything.

>>81199599
>tfw I liked the Klingon fanservice ep
And the novels expand upon it until it's Trekkino

friendly reminder that janeway was guilty of murdering tuvix who only wanted to live a normal life

Basically just read all of the post-series Voyager novels.
>Harry gets promoted
>Chakotay is captain
>Starfleet uses the Borg slipstream tech to send Voyager back to the Delta Quadrant with three other ships to properly explore it
>Plots abandoned by the show writers are picked up again (the Voth, the Vaadwaur, what the fuck the Krenim were really about)

Janeway did nothing wrong

>>81199938
>>Harry gets promoted
Why did this never happen in the show? Tuvok and Paris both got promoted. Did the writers not like his character? He seemed to always be getting fucked over, looking back on it.

>>81200030
he was captain in the timeline Janeway erased

>>81200030
The writers hated Garrett Wang ever since he revealed to TV Guide that Rick Berman demanded the human-playing actors portray their characters as blandly as possible to make aliens "pop out" more.

>>81199928
>tuvix
>murder

>>81199207
Kes was cut from the show for Seven.
I'm OK with that.

Doesn't really explain why nobody remembered Kes warning everyone about the year of hell though.

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>it's a Q episode

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>>81200171
I dunno, I thought Jennifer Lien wasn't bad looking, especially in Season 4 when she wore her hair down.

Really sucks her career took a dive after Voyager as well. She wasn't a bad actress in other stuff like SLC Punk

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>>81200226
>it's Q-Less

>>81200226
>tfw TNG makes you feel all introspective

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGvUDvZ7KyU


>>81200268
Yeah she was a cute for sure.
Shame what happened to her.

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>>81200226
Q2 is pure kino

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>this is jennifer lien now

JUST

Any of you nignogs play Star Trek Online?

>>81199769

That episode when the alien pixie falls in love with tuvok.

>>81200592
I do...

>>81195161
Tom and Belanna was the only one that made sense, it developed little by little over time and ultimately I liked it. Neelix and Kess was terrible, and so was Seven and Chakotay.

>>81201017
muh diq

>>81199769
He also had the best line in the series.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8-917vo9C8

Tuvok and the Doctor were easily the best characters on Voyager.

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>>81201384
I really liked Tuvok and Janeway's chemistry, they had lots of great scenes together

>>81201339
Kes blew him off after a little while and was safe.

>>81193353
Why did they give in to the demands? Did he appeal to key advertising demographics or something?

>>81201276
we need a /tv/ fleet

>>81193476
They can't just kill off ackoochymoya THAT FAR from the bones of his people!

>>81193353

For years he was openly, loudly, and repeatedly critical of the shows writing. And this was in a time when that didn't happen unlike now, it was almost unheard of. He would just go on about how terrible the writing staff was and have everything wrong with Voyager was their fault. I mean he was right. I could just never believe they kept renewing his contract.

>>81201017
Tank girl.

>>81200171
Kes sucked at first but they were really turning her around by the time they wrote her out of the show by making her a more independent character after that one where she gets possessed by a bodyswapping dictator, the father/daughter thing she kinda had going on with the Doctor was ok, and he whole Parisbowl love triangle thing they were hinting at between her, Tom and Torres could have been good.

>>81193283

Starfleet captains don't sleep with their first officers. I mean you think if Ryker had been a hot woman (I picture swapped Ryker looking like Katy Perry) that Picard would have slept with her? Fuck no. He might have loved her from afar but he would never have acted on it. It would have been unprofessional.

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>>81203037
>Starfleet captains don't sleep with their first officers

>>81203032
Why did they kick her off the show? Was she going insane already, or did they stupidly think there was only room for one hot chick?

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>>81203185
They were either going to kick off her or Harry to clear the budget for a new cast member in 7 of 9, and then Garret Wong was named one of People's 50 most beautiful people.

>it's a doctor whines about muh photonic rights episode
but really why was it such a big deal? he was clearly sentient

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>>81203450
>Holographic Doctor is sentient (and sapient)

Prove it. To me, he's an interactive WebMD with some weird plug-ins.

>>81203450
Because it wals always for stupid bullshit reasons
>WAHHHHHH! I WANT TO LEAVE MY POSITION AS ONLY QUALIFIED MEDICAL OFFICER ON THE SHIP SO I CAN SING FOR AUTISTIC ALIENS!

>>81203037

By the time they were even a couple of years into the mission fem-Ryker would have absolutely slept with at least half the male members of the crew so Picard might have been disgusted.

>>81193441
TEATSORGTFO

Oh wait... blueboard.

Better yet... just GTFO.

>>81203536
Definition of sentient: "able to perceive or feel things."
The Doctor exhibits these traits clearly. It may be artificial intelligence, but it's still intelligence. Your sentience is just the result of electrical signals and chemicals, the only thing separating you and a sentient hologram/android is the origin of your creation.

>>81203771
A goldfish can perceive or feel things, but it doesn't get rights.

>>81198972
>It's an everyone dies from gayness overdose excepting the gayest faggot on the bridge episode.

>>81203771
Wrong, he has a soul which is canon in Star Trek

>>81203813
"Feel" in this context does not refer to the physical sensation of feeling something, it refers to emotion. An expanded definition would be "Sentience is the capacity to feel, perceive, or experience subjectively."

>>81203913
And I would argue those are all preprogrammed responses in Voyager's databanks, no different than a Dixon Hill gangster or French alien pool shark.

>>81204216
>the doctor is programmed to be an asshole, disobey orders and put his ship in danger
I doubt it.

>>81204255
did you forget the episode with the guy that created him?

>>81204255
>Poorly programmed holograms should be recognized as Federation citizens

You don't think these arguments out well, do you?

>>81204331
The asshole bit was poor wording, but you get the point.

>>81204344
Except it's quite clear that The Doctor acts on his own accord and is a sentient being.

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>>81204412
>B'lanna Torres, Starfleet Academy drop-out attempts to expand the EMH's capabilities in the first season
>EMH almost burns himself out in Season 3 "The Swarm"

He's not sentient/sapient. He's an emergency program running far longer than anticipated, but there's no strike of lightning or blue fairy; He's always been a computer program in a database, and that's all he'll ever be.

>>81204587
Organics sure have a high opinion of themselves. What makes your sentience so "real"? Who are you to say your reactions to things aren't all just predetermined algorithms?

>>81204587
>implying humans can't burn themselves out from overworking

>>81204743
So did the EMH commit murder when he merged with the EMH diagnostic program? What about his rights?

Or are holographic rights only for "special" holograms? What about the Crell Moset consultant? He never committed a single sin, yet was sentenced and summarily executed by the "enlightened" EMH Mark 1.

>>81193283
>criticizing Voyager
it's like shooting fish in a barrel mate
there's no sport in it

They wanted to push race mixing

>>81201384
>Tuvok and the Doctor were easily the best characters on Voyager.

Ultimate truth.

>>81204842
Not all holograms are programmed with artificial intelligence. Just like there would be a difference between a mindless drone building cars in a factory somewhere and an AI robot. So yes, in a sense, holographic rights are only for "special" holograms. Most holograms do not possess sentience and simply respond to pre-programmed input like a modern day chat bot would. The EMH diagnostice program willingly sacrificed himself to save the EMH, nothing about that would violate his rights as a person. I'm not going to say I agree with what The Doctor did to Crell Moset, but it's not like Voyager had any shortage of Starfleet summarily executing people.

>>81204587
10/10 image.

>>81205157
What measurable process makes certain holograms "special?"

>>81205287
Whether they are sentient or not.

>>81204842
EMH was the neatest "accidental" character made in all of Trek.

I highly doubt the initial design of Voyager included the exploration of such a non-trek like sci-fi concept.

An advanced computer program that emerges as a major Artificial Intelligence Entity. In Star Trek universe usually such things are simply footnoted as "not allowed".

He was a better version of machine-to-man than Data ever was(no offense to Data). The fact that his physical projection was nothing but force-fields and light was such an accidentally cool design on top of it.

Ironically the poor writing of Voyager actually gave Doctor the best playground for exploration of the concept of emergent AI

>>81205555
I will not deny the holographic doctor isn't an amazing program being run on the USS Voyager's computer core; I will not deny he isn't an incredible tool and brilliant artificial intelligence.

Data is more important because he's fully contained in a humanoid form, not dependent on the processing power of a multi-story 24th century quantum computer.

>>81205651
Nothing a bit of 29th century technology can't fix

>>81199769
Tuvok was a great character that was underwritten in favor of sham writing for Neelix and shit

Mostly because Tuvok was just IM A motherfucking VULCAN BITCHES and got to showcase his inherent physical and mental superiority over humans.

>>81205334
Sentience relies on physics not symbol-pushing.

>>81193283

dumb to watch or not it made perfect sense, seven is logical and acoochymoya is the most alpha male available

you can't breed with a hologram

>>81207906
same assholes who crammed worf/troi down your throat at the very end

>>81207939

troi only dated worf to make riker shit or get off the pot..

>>81199232
Listerine make you strong like buffalo

>>81207962

classic troi

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What am I in for?

>>81208605

no chekov, just like the reboot movies from now on

Why would a-koo-che-moya settle for Janeway when he could have his pick of the women on Voyager?

>>81207582
The definition of sentience says nothing other than the being must be able to perceive and feel, artificial intelligence in the Star Trek universe is capable of this. The Doctor and Data are examples of this, and as such they are entitled to the same rights as any sentient species in the Federation.

>>81208885
Which, according to Miles O'Brien, who's mother handled raw meat, is the same as any beast of burden today.

>>81208885
So unconscious automata get rights. Nice. Nice knowing ya, humans.

It's no wonder the Doctor gets so up himself about hologram rights if the people in Star Trek are anything like the people in this thread. This is true oppression.

>it's a Jake rapes his mirror mom episode

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>>81193283

Say what you will Voyager is still the comfiest of all the Treks shows. Just turn your brain off, and let it happen.

>>81209027
Fuck you. The people in this thread are upstanding and righteous individuals. Whom the fuck are you to insult us?

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The doctor bitched about not having nay rights, but why should a hologram have rights?

They can easily be duplicated and copy pasted like a file on a computer. You could make thousands of them in an instant. Should they all have rights too?

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>It's an upstanding and righteous individuals being insulted by other upstanding and righteous individuals episode.

>>81210794
You can do the same with humans.

Clone Riker had rights.

>>81210794
>They can easily be duplicated and copy pasted like a file on a computer.
Not in Voyager. You can't make copies in Voyager, especially not of the Doctor.

That's why the ship is unable to have a copy stay behind whenever he goes on away missions.

>>81193283
It was sort of out of nowhere, but sort of not. There was an episode before the finale where Seven is exploring human romance on the holodeck. She picks Chakotay as her partner because she finds that he has qualities that she likes (I don't know what said qualities were or if they were even specified). She goes on a few dates with the holographic Chakotay, but some implant in her brain zaps her when shit gets too lovey dovey/dramatic (a Borg fail safe against strong emotion or whatever the fuck). I can't remember if it was the real Chakotay or the doctor that finds Seven unconscious in the holodeck, but whatever.

At the very least, that episode explains Seven's interest in Chakotay, but not Chakotay's interest in Seven. Ultimately it was forced, but it wasn't completely out of nowhere. They really did need more time to build up the love interest between Seven and Chakotay, though.

At least with Paris and Torres there was buildup here and there before they truly became romantically involved.

As far as Janeway/Chakotay, it was just not going to happen on principle. Unless a starship captain gets involved with a civilian or another captain, they're pretty much going to end up alone (with only passing flings). The closest Janeway and Chakotay got to a romantic relationship is when they contracted some rare disease from a planet they stopped on and had to stay there while Voyager continued on (and eventually contacted a Vidian for help).

>>81199271
Jeri Ryan is the reason Obama was president

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>Commander, we've found a priceless relic from Earth's 21st century just floating here light years in some random area
>What?! Who cares, trash it.
Later...
>Commander, we've found frozen human beings!
>Just leave 'em, we gotta' pick up the Captain..
>B-but, Commander.. they are human.
>Huuuuhh alright, fuck, just hurry up.

Is this how any human being would react in that situation? Why wasn't Captain Picard also fascinated by such a historical find as viable crygoneically frozen dead human beings?

Broke immersion seeing such an unrealistic and badly written piece of dialogue in the beginning one of the first season's better episodes (The Neutral Zone).

>>81211895
>Obama was president

Christ, it just hit me, the reality that he was preisdent for eight fucking years and the dark long night is over

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>>81211895
>Idiots will read this and think /pol/

Conspiracy idiots always look in the wrong places out of paranoia.

This man looked for facts and found some cool shit.

Glad to know I wasn't the only one that saw this lol

>>81211460
The crew on Voyager wasn't able to make a new doctor because none of them were holoengineers (like Louis Zimmerman, who created the Mark I). Harry Kim was the closest they had, but he was only an amateur. There was an episode where you see a Mark II (on the experimental ship, Prometheus), and in another episode it's delineated that even better models were made (up to Mark IV or V, I believe). So at some point, I think it's somewhat reasonable to assume that since holography had improved, making and copying Mark I EMHs wouldn't be too difficult. Voyager was just limited by their lack of contact with home (thus lack of tech updates) and lack of expertise on board.

>>81210794
On the question of rights, I dunno. The EMH was created with a specific purpose. It was initially designed as a complex, adaptive tool. Voyager's argument was that the doctor, at least, had adapted beyond his original programming, but a lot of that came from him just adding shit to his program willy nilly (singing, painting, golfing, daydreaming, etc).

With Data in TNG, his creator specifically designed him to emulate humans in multiple aspects, although he left out emotions (because Lor) until he could perfect the emotion chip. I really liked the episode where there was a hearing over Data's rights as an individual in the Federation. It showed both sides of the issue pretty well: how Data had ineffable, human-like qualities (and more generally, qualities of a living being) and how he had qualities which made him more machine-like. Ultimately, I think the decision came down to whether or not replicating Data would erase his uniqueness and create a race of android slaves. The judge at the hearing erred on the side of caution (because muh prime directive).

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>>81212169
>Glad to know I wasn't the only one that saw this lol
It gets reposted here at least once a week, cadet.

>>81199599
Did that Klingon cruiser fire while cloaked?

>>81200592
I used to. My Fed ships were all named USS Rick Berman.

>>81212706
fuckers toggled their cloak on and off constantly.

>>81203032
There will never be a Tom/B'Elanna/Kes threeway.

>>81212178

ok for whatever stupid reason, voyager could only support one EMH (altho the holodeck can have many characters

when he got the mobile emitter from muh 29th century they should have at least been able to have two now WHICH THEY DID when the Barclay hologram showed up..

>>81212905
Living Witness.

Voyager made a backup of the EMH, only for some aliens to steal it.

>>81212924
Wile E. Coyote syndrome:

Once your good idea gets messed up due to outside forces, you can never ever ever try it again.

Why were the Kazon so shit?

>>81212986

isn't that the exact opposite of wile e coyote syndrome?

>>81213248
He's always trying a brand new plan when he should be modifying his existing plans.

Similarly, Voyager should have made a second backup after the first one got stolen.

>>81212500
never saw that before desu. I normally avoid Trek threads because they are just meme spew. Still, it reads like /pol/ garbage

>>81213663
>Still, it reads like /pol/ garbage
I don't see anything in that image about having sex with ponies.

>>81193441
>you are compelled
OP asks a question, anon answers it to the best of their abilities, how does that indicate any kind of compulsion?

>>81193283
I'd dick Seven over Janeway myself tbph.

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>>81197254
Because they are an iconic TOS villain that didn't get a lot of screen time because they're secretive and non-humanoid (difficult to show)

>>81211370

Which is why Riker immediately murdered him?

Which got a guy jailed under Bajoran law?

>>81203771
Most people use "sentient" to mean "sapient", I don't think anyone is really arguing that being sentient means anything important, especially not human-like rights.

http://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/v825.php

Tattoo was a great episode.

>>81203771
Yeah if they considered Data alive then so was the doctor.

Interestingly enough the doctor became that race of Datas used for slavery Picard warned about.

>>81205287
The number of subroutines apparently.

>>81205555
I don't think the EMH was accidental, the CMO is always a main character and I don't think they ever introduced the one he replaced

>>81195245
>have warp 10 shuttle
>have hologram with mobile emitter
How will we ever contact the Federation?

>>81214791

More importantly, they obviously found a cure for whatever the fuck happened to Tom, sooooo there's no reason not to USE the warp 10 drive.

>>81203536
>measure of a man
>doc is tiny
NO HOLO RIGHTS!
FREE HOLO SLAVES FOR ALL!

>>81212169
Christ you faggots bringing your /pol/ obsession up everywhere out of nowhere are boring.

>>81212924
Living witness, while one of the good Voyager episodes, pisses me off because it's canon that the Federation has expanded to the Delta quadrant by the time the doctor copy is activated.

>>81214330
Do we know anything about what the Tholians did during the Dominion war?

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So who had the highest power level in Star Trek?

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I'm glad to see more Voyager threads recently, I'm also rewatching the BBC America reruns too. It truly is such a comfy series.

>>81200592
after I can unhook myself from FFXIV I was thinking of starting to play it, especially because I can imagive the playerbase to not suck.

>>81208605
bad animation, BUT alien races that aren't just humans in makeup

>>81195161
Tom & Harry would've made more sense.

>>81193283
Remember that time when the guy they consulted for Chakotay's character a complete fraud and not even native american? He was a good friend.

>>81217570
This, Voyager is great for comfy Trek watching.

>>81214508
Then those people don't know what they're talking about. What does "sapient" have to do with rights? All sapient means is relating to the human species in particular. Sentient and sapient are completely different words, and only sentient has anything to do with intelligence. The word sapient has no meaning when it comes to rights in the Star Trek universe as there are many non-sapient species in the Federation that are granted equal rights solely based on the fact that they are a sentient species.

>>81217421
probably Data.

unless you are talking about plot meme power level, then it's probably somebody possessed by pah-wraiths.

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>>81199769
>>81205922
>mfw Neelix leaves Voyager and Tuvok does a little dance for him
It's ironic that the Vulcan's scenes are the most emotional in the series.

The jewish producers didn't want to white aryans to ship together so they pushed the racemixing instead as a form of revenge for the holocaust revisionist episode where the doctor goes to the future museum and debunks the post-war atrocity propaganda

>>81217570
Agreed.

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>It's a Janeway make a moral stand on an issue
>It's a Janeway then does a complete 180 by the end of the episode
>It's a no one questions Janeway complete hypocrisy as she does what she wants episode

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>>81217421
Either Q or Kevin Uxbridge.

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>>81219313
Could be worse.

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RIP Tuvix #justiceforTuvix

>>81219422
coward deserved to die

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>>81219422
Neelix is annoying enough all by himself sometimes, but a black Neelix?
Janeway did the right thing

>>81219422
I like to think that Janeway made her decision not because it was the right thing to do but to see if she could actually get away with it without a mutiny

>Holy shit I just murdered a sentient life form and got away with it

>>81198972
Were carpet floors futuristic in the 80s?

>>81219313
Janeway's flexibility was refreshing, she was still a Starfleet moralfag at heart but she also understood that sometimes the rules have to be bent and views have to be adjusted for extraordinary situations.

>>81219377
So the message is clear, don't put women and minorities in positions of powers. Only whites like Kirk and Picard should be captain.

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>>81219570
The bridge was designed to be maximum comfy.

>>81219609
literally every captain is like that

>>81219628
How come they never have any sort of seatbelts considering how often they get thrown from their seats by minor turbulence?

>>81219646
Kirk just didn't care about the rules at all and Picard was an extreme moralfag. Sisko is just insane.

>>81219689
Picard would bend rules and break them too if he thought it was necessary

>>81219646
Picard is the one captain who never compromised his values or got truly morally dirty

Sisko was a military officer first who we all know did tonnes of morally dubious shit to achieve a greater good

Archer literally engaged in piracy and raiding to complete his mission in season 3, stranding a ship without warp for years

Kirk and Janeway fall somewhere inbetween Sisko/Archer and Picard

http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Burgoyne_172

>>81193353
This is bullshit but I believe it
Seven got MAQUID

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>>81219649
Same reason they make their consoles out of explodium.

>>81219777
but we were talking about bending the rules, you don't have to compromise your values to bend them

>>81219976
I like how when they are under fire no one even flinches even though there is like a 50 percent chance the console they are at is going to explode in their face.

I swear it's the leading cause of death in star trek. exploding console. i feel like a progressive society would notice this and have them wear protective gear or something

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>mad at janeway

>>81193353
The actor actually seems like an interesting guy. They really fucked him over by making him play the blandest character ever. They should have kept him as an unhinged terrorist constantly going against Janeway's Star Fleet bullshit.

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>>81217570
This. This. So much this.

Voyager gets shat on because it's the most human and normie friendly and that angers the spergs.

>>81195318
That's the word on the street, but I don't think solid proof exists anywhere

>>81210528
This is the only way Voyager is watchable

OFFICIAL VOYAGER MAIN CAST POWER RANKINGS:
>The Doctor
>Based Tuvok
>Kathryn "kill them all" Janeway
>Neelix (Did nothing wrong)
>Tom

POWER GAP

>B'Lanna
>Seven of Tits
>Akoocheemoya Man
>Literally Who Kim

POWER GAP

>Naomi "not another kid" Wildman
>Kes "Just fuck my shit up"

>>81194510
Oh look, a """joke""" from a woman.

>tfw just finished watching Voyager all the way through from start to finish
I wish I'd done it sooner, really doesn't deserve all the hate. It's a solid show, and despite what people say I thought the cast was pretty good overall and gelled well together.

What do I watch now?

>>81200592
yep, pretty lax f2p model

>>81200104
They also hated him because he was a prick and always was late to set, which held up everyone else. He also reportedly never memorized his lines and constantly needed cues.

>>81221029
This anon speaks the truth, although Akoochemoya should be above Seven and B'Elanna

>>81221029
Neelix belongs below the power gap

He's ok post season 6 but for 5 seasons his joke was "LOL I CANT COOK"

>>81221291
Neelix became a good character after Kes fucked off and he cut that "hello sweeting" shit out.

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>>81212169
You're so #woke

>>81195245

Its nice to know this episode was made non canon.

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I'm rewatching the older episodes with Kes and it really breaks my heart to see her so pretty back then and knowing how much of a wreck she is now. She was beautiful with long hair...

>>81211895


???
Please elaborate. I don't know this meme.

>>81218666
>All sapient means is relating to the human species in particular. Sentient and sapient are completely different words, and only sentient has anything to do with intelligence.

Do you often talk about things that you don't have any understanding of whatsoever? The dictionary is only one click away, friend.

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>>81221666
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ryan_(politician)

>>81221715
sapient
ˈseJpJənt
adjective
relating to the human species.

sentient
ˈsɛntJənt,ˈsɛnʃ(ə)nt/
adjective
able to perceive or feel things.

take your own advice moron

>>81221591
She only had long hair so they didn't have to do her Cornish pasty ears.

>>81221197

I agree with you Anon. Voyager doesn't deserve all their hate it gets.

The next is Enterprise. But you have to watch it a certain way like I did or you will think it's shit. I watched it in the following order and now I love it.

Start off by watching the first and last episode of Season 2. Then watch all of Season 3, then Season 4.

After that you will appreciate the characters more and you can go back and watch the weaker earlier episodes at your leisure and actually enjoy them.

>>81221715
He's right, people always mix up sentient and sapient. Sapient does have the additional definition of "wise", but that's a pretty old definition (the word itself is pretty antiquated, it's not in any sort of common usage) and I fail to see the relevance of "wisdom" in a conversation about intelligence and rights as it is not quantifiable and so isn't used by scientists to determine whether a species is intelligent or not.

>>81221731

Wow. Her ex Jack literally did nothing wrong

>>81200447

Was it drugs that did it to her?

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>>81220423

My favorite season 7 episode because of how absolutely stupid the entire premise is and makes no sense in relation to Star Trek canon.

-Some Bajoran Maquis scientist casts some spell or pulls sub-space shenanigans to reach Voyager in the Delta quadrant
-Maquis doesn't exist anymore but let's go after these random fucks to fight a war against an enemy that is defeated and who previously helped murder all of us
-Entire episode is about Tuvok spoiler alert: trying to catch himself as he is implanting these magical hypnotic suggestions into the other Maquis members on the ship's minds.
-(apparently this mad doctor was able to implant every Maquis member with his suggestive psychosis
-Show ends with Tuvok testing a hunch that could've killed Janeway (his best friend) and then planting a mind meld into Chakotay as they retake the bridge in anti-climactic fashion

It was sort of like Threshold that it was enjoyable up to the very end but was still rooted in completed non-sense.

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>>81221591

I think drugs scrambled her mind.

She proved she was a great actor in 'Warlord' they just had nothing to do with her character and she did start to seem out of place.

Her best spot on the cast was as the Doctor's nurse and guide into becoming more of a person. When the Doctor got the mobile emitter and Kes was no longer within the evil grips of that pedolaxian, her role diminished beyond the point of having a place on the ship and the writers canned her for it.

>>81221278
But B'Elanna and Seven actually get character development, unlike Chakotay who remains a plank of wood throughout the entire show.

>>81222215
>Seven actually get character development

Thats going a bit far

>I learned a lesson about humanity
>I learned a lesson about humanity
>I learned a lesson about humanity

>>81221949
This is just a general warning to all newfriends entering /trek/ threads. Whenever you see "advice" like this, that tells you to do some fucking weird-ass viewing order to get the """true""" experience, please immediately ignore it.

Just watch all the fucking shows in the order they were released, unless you absolutely can't bear to sit through TOS, then just watch the top 10 episodes and go to the movies/TNG.

>>81222132
>favorite season 7 episode
>not Q2 or the one where the Doctor takes over seven's body

>>81221291
You're completely ignoring all the subtle depth and nuance of his character. Beneath his cheerful facade, Neelix was a tortured war vet with deep internal issues and struggles.

He represents the everyman personified. Given a shit situation in life, trying to stay positive and make the best of it. The Neelix-focused episodes are good for this reason; they pull back the curtain a little and expose you to who he *really* is.

>>81221949
I've been meaning to give ENT a try, I'm too autistic to watch shit out of order though so if the start sucks then I'll just suffer through it.

>>81217421
Wesley

>>81222298
That was a freudian typo as I meant to say least favorite.

I'll say four hail Kais as repentance.

>>81222298
>Doctor takes over Sevens body
>Becomes a huge slut when the first man shows interest in her / him

It was a confusing time

>>81219777
>Picard is the one captain who never compromised his values or got truly morally dirty
Tell that to the Native Americans.

>>81222250
Ok that's fair, but she actually does try stuff. She learns about her parents. Feels resentful towards the Borg for it, but also conflicted like she misses them a little. She finds Unimatrix Zero, meets some friends, tries to get them out.

What does Chakotay do during this time?

>uhhhh
>uhhh
>uh
>HIT EM AGAIN, KID! GET BACK IN THE RING!

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>>81219976
>>81220159
>>81220159
>I swear it's the leading cause of death in star trek

Which brings up a really big question, why does no one on the helm or anywhere on the ship for that matter where protective gear? At least back in the original movies the engineers actually wore protective gear.

>>81222425
>this episode gave you weird sensations as a kid
It was a confusing time.

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>>81222298

Q2 was garbage and John de Lancie's son with his wacky voice didn't make up for how unfunny it was.

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>>81222593
It was kino

>>81222505
>She finds Unimatrix Zero, meets some friends, tries to get them out.
That was the episode that finally ruined the Borg though.

>when you become a Borg you lose your individuality... until you go to sleep, and then you get to party all night long
>Seven is a super special one-in-a-billion snowflake in YET ANOTHER way
>the Borg Queen controls the Borg while getting emotional, holding grudges, and shouting
>you can take drugs to stay yourself when you become a Borg
>your body will be just fine afterwards because they won't perform invasive surgery on you if you're important
Wew.

>>81220159

Keked hard.

>>81222733
Dude I'm not arguing how stupid any of it was; the Borg was ruined the day First Contact hit theaters. All I'm saying is that Seven got more character development than Chakotay. Him and Kim have almost zero development throughout the entire show; they're complete deadweight.

>>81222505
>Unimatrix 0

Wasn't that the episode where the Borg Queen destroys an entire cube to prevent the individuality of one drone?

That was like nuking a city to prevent a cold epedemic

>>81193283
Which wouldn't want to bang a rediculoysly hot robot?

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>>81222733

That episode made the Borg queen into a fucking fantasy-horror villain and you left out the most important part.

>LET'S GO GET ASSIMILATED, LAWL
>NO SERIOUSLY BECAUSE - IT'S THE RIGHT. THING. TO DO.

Nno one mentions that they are basing this entirely suicidal position that would likely get most of them killed without a menagerie of plot armor on the basis of 'helping Seven's friends' and not at least something plausible like trying to take down the Borg threat once and for all.

Was the worst two-parter of Voyager and maybe the worst in all of Trek.

>>81214791


That episode was declared non canon by the showrunners.

>>81222881
>but for me, it was Tuesday.

>>81223126
Oh no, anon I can't open this at work

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>>81223198
My apologies.

Let's put together a list of GOAT Voyager Episodes. Here are my nominations

>Emanations - AKA the one where Harry tells an entire alien race that Heaven isn't for real.
>Tuvix - AKA the one where he did nothing wrong
>Living Witness - AKA the one where the Doctor wakes up in /pol/.
>Latent Image - AKA the one where The Doctor makes a choice
>Equinox - AKA the one where Captain Ransom did nothing wrong

>>81223357
Both of the Year of Hell episodes

>>81223423
Oh yeah, those are good too.
>AKA the episodes that should have been the entire series.

>>81223357
The Void was a good one, it was what I kind of expected Voyager to be in general. Forging alliances and creating a sort of Federation away from the Federation.

>>81223545
It was also a repeat of an earlier episode, because Voyager.

>>81223357
>Faces - AKA the one where that Vidiian makes himself look like Ted Cruz
>Death Wish - AKA the Q episode, not the Charles Bronson movie
>Scorpion I and II - AKA the good Borg 2-parter
>Timeless - AKA the time travel episode where Chakotay and Harry do things
>Tinker Tenor Doctor Spy - AKA The Doctor Dreams

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>>81223357
>Timeless - AKA Harry and Chakotay get stranded from the crew and are forced to steal a Borg salvaged part that will help them alter history and save their crewmates
>Tinker Tenor Doctor Spy - AKA The Doctor's daydream subroutine starts to malfunction and a Hierarchy underling uses a microtunneling port to access the Doctor and warn him of their threat to Voyager. ECH debut.

>>81223573

It did feel incredibly similar to "Night".

>Voyager has to work with native species to the dark space
>Form an alliance with the Turdanians to reach a vortex just like in "The Void"

Okay, that's about it for similarities but it did feel similar.

>>81223357
Coda was great

>>81200447
Harry Kim should have died. Fuck you People Magazine's Top 100 sexiest celebrities putting Harry's actor on the list and the studio forced them keep Harry in the show even though they had already planned to kill him off and the actor wanted to leave. He was originally supposed to die during event with the Borg and Species 8472 but instead they had Kes leave the show.

Voyager was an all around mess.

>>81223357
>Someone To Watch Over Me - AKA the Doctor crushes on Seven
>Prophecy - AKA the one where Voyage runs into Klingons way out in the Delta Quadrant

Also, all the Barclay episodes.

>>81203316
They were planning for it to be Harry and Garrett was all for it. That magazine fucked it all up.

>>81203536
He's free thinking and has even done things morally objectionable like when he infected that alien running the shitty floating hospital to make things better for the patients there. He even questioned what he had done and asked Seven if there was anything wrong with his programming and she finds nothing wrong. He was programmed to do no harm and yet he clearly violated this to do something he deemed a worthy cause. That's a pretty clear example of having free will and making your own choices based on your principles.

>>81203450
The Voyager novels run with the holographic rights thing in the most amusing way and there's a character who was raped by members of a hologram terrorist group.

Can anyone justify the existence of this Wikipedia article?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janeway_Lambda_one

>>81217421
Regular cast? Odo. He can turn into all kinds of nasty things to kill you with.

All characters? The Q. They went back to before the Big Bang and shrunk Voyager down to subatomic size.

>>81193476
are you kidding he was the only fucker on that show that could act. i watched this scene wanting janeway dead and even felt something because of his passionate response to her death.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJgdON0aArM

just fucking ignore the stupid music and text shit

>>81223584
>Scorpion I and II
Everyone always lists these, but I don't think they're that great. The only reason people like them is because of the OH SHIT moment of an alien who is just wrecking the Borg, but it was a cheap plot device to get you to care about the show.

>>81224056
Holographic Tasha Yar? Does she do holographic drugs too?

>>81224093
>hey went back to before the Big Bang
I know this is incredibly pedantic but I hated this. In TNG the writers were really careful to try and avoid the Q being fully godlike. They never ruled out the possibility of technology indistinguishable from magic; Picard even mentions it several times that he's not impressed with his "parlour tricks".

It wasn't until All Good Things where they really started going off the rails with it. I mean don't get me wrong, it was a good episode but establishing that Q are omnipresent really fucks with everything established before then

>>81223545
Oh hey what's up Daystrom Institute, I've read that top post as well. I don't agree with it though because Voyager was making a beeline for the Alpha Quadrant the entire time; any alliances they could have made would be fleeting or temporary at best.

The show SHOULD have been like Year of Hell. No stupid holodeck episodes, we had to shut it down back in the pilot episode because we can't afford the energy drain. Constantly scavenging for food, supplies, resources. Having to get their hands dirty, bargain, threaten aliens for trade.

It only manages to barely scratch the surface of some of that.

>>81223357
There's one episode where Neelix has to confront the man who made the bomb that glassed his entire planet. That was pretty GOAT

Of course best meme episode is when the Rock and Seven entered a WWF Tournament

>>81224870
I think that's Jetrel. The first based Neelix episode.

>>81224560
The spectacle was huge in Scorpion part 1. We had never seen more than a single Borg ship at a time before and then the episode opens with two of them at once getting blown to hell. Then Voyager almost gets run down by FIFTEEN Borg cubes, and the episode ends with a planet getting destroyed Death Star style.

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>>81224870
>Of course best meme episode is when the Rock and Seven entered a WWF Tournament

I seriously hope you guys don't think that was best meme episode

>>81225162
the rock and 7 wwf episode is one i forgot about(probably intentionally) until someone brings it up.

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>it's a Borg Queen episode

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>>81221738
>Copying definition 2 and ignoring definition 1 because you realised you were wrong

I'm surprised you even responded, that's really embarrassing

>>81225845
Another anon already explained why the wise definition is irrelevant, feel free to look at the other reply to your post that you conveniently ignored.

>>81225904
I saw that response, (You) were also being retarded there and missing that the word sapient existed before humans were called homo sapiens.

>American education

>>81226002
What are you even babbling about you moron? You said in the original post that when most people say "sentient" they really mean "sapient" and so the real word "sentient" has no relevance. I pointed out that this would make them stupid because the word sapient has absolutely no bearing on a discussion about a species' intelligence. Now you're rambling about etymology and attacking imaginary arguments?

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>>81219976
>make their consoles out of explodium.

I got some explodium right here in my trousers, if you know what I mean.

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>>81225206

That episode was complete and utter garbage and yet know one ever brings it up because, after all, only Threshold is worth talking about.

They had this wrestler come on and do all of his out-of-universe trademarks like the eyebrow look and his "finishing move" all on Seven. Typical UPN cash grab and yet I think the show's ratings were terrible.

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>it's a pregnant kira episode

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>>81226082
>I pointed out that this would make them stupid because the word sapient has absolutely no bearing on a discussion about a species' intelligence
And then you were told repeatedly to look it up, and you either didn't or did, noticed you were wrong and ignored it.

Sapience is the only thing that has bearing on rights. We give sapient (intelligent) beings rights, not sentient (having a nervous system) ones.

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>>81222505
>>HIT EM AGAIN, KID! GET BACK IN THE RING!
God I hated that episode. It was almost a recreation of pic related with Akoochimoya instead of Imzadi

>>81227274
>WHERE ARE YOU?
>I NEED TO FIND YOU
>TO TELL YOU

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>>81227071
>We give sapient (intelligent) beings rights, not sentient (having a nervous system) ones.

This plagues sci-fi depictions of AI. The idea that you could create a sentient machine that isn't automatically sapient doesn't even seem to exist in the minds of most sci-fi writers.

The AI is either a dumb beep-boop that needs constant instruction from a human, or it's intelligent and automatically has a survival instinct and desire for 'freedom' that would never realistically be programmed into a tool.

No one would buy a toaster with emotions, that will refuse to toast bread for you some mornings because it's feeling depressed, so no one would build one. Why you'd build a sentient AI to run your missile defence and program in a survival instinct that gives it a mortal fear of being switched off then doesn't make sense.

>>81225130
That's what I'm saying: it was cheap spectacle to get you to care. There's no depth to the episode, no character growth, no great storytelling going on.

It's the equivalent to the DBZ episode where Frieza shows off his power and kills Krillin. Just spectacle, cheap thrills.

>>81227274
That episode was great tho, got a good horror vibe to it

>>81229474
Night Terrors? I agree it's underrated, or at least not as awful as everyone claims, if they replaced Troi's dream sequences with basically anything else it would have worked better. Like say, film in a forest at night and have the planet with one moon circling be the only thing visible in the sky while she's running around calling out for them. Hell, even just turn down the set lighting and have her going through the Enterprise corridors and seeing it out the windows or reflected in comm panels like the episode where Chakotay keeps seeing the Moon.

>>81193353

None of this is true. Beltran was a critic of the show, but knew to stay on it. This was the fuck 90's. Star Trek was THE sci-fi franchise of the 90's. TNG, DS9, voyager it was pretty big. Beltran wasn't happy about the show, but knew it was steady work with money for life. He got the standard wages and DID ask for more appearances. He was written out of some episodes and wanted to maintain his standing. Appearing in every episode means you get money for every syndication airing. The way SAG works, if the episode airs in syndication and you're in it, you get a residual. It's not much, but it adds up. If he is in every episode, that means any time a syndicated episode of stark trek voyager airs, he gets money. This was the big appeal to be on the show. It was what sold the show and revival to begin with. It was a show that would last beyond its original run.

He was more certainly not trying to get fired.