Why can't they get along?

deep shit 9 was plagued with war to attract pleb actionbabbies and had little to do with exploring humanities potential for progress.

>>81159100
Thanks for explaining why DS9 was the most enjoyable Star Trek show

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Gee I wonder why

One is a security officer without much interest or passions aside from his job.

The other is a space jew who runs a bar filled with space bandits, and aside from the alcohol, casino and holoporn business always has some other shady business in mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDrfHj3j398

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>>81159034
They do get along... in their own special way.

They enjoy fucking with each other, but several times they have been shown to go out of their way to actually help the other when they really need it.

>>81159364
*space Yankee trader

Their relationship worked because they ultimately believe in the same thing but take the two exact opposite approaches to it. The one thing they both value above all else is order; Odo believes in the Law and Quark believes in the Rules of Acquisition. The difference is Odo believes these rules/laws are meant to be taken and followed literally Quark sees them as a challenge to work around.

They both follow technically follow the rules, Quark just does it in a way that Odo doesn't believe in which is what bothers him; He knows Quark isn't technically wrong so he can't truly hate him.

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>>81159607

I'd say he's more of like a low position jewish mob member, Ferengi's whole culture is centered around profit, including marriage. And concepts we'd find shady and/or illegal like briving and scamming are normal around Ferengi

I know they called them Yankee Traders in their introduction in TNG, but them being greedy merchants with oversized ears instead of noses is an obvious reference to the cartoon jewish stereotype.

>>81160375

This is correct

>>81160997
>I know they called them Yankee Traders in their introduction in TNG, but them being greedy merchants with oversized ears instead of noses is an obvious reference to the cartoon jewish stereotype.
Thanks for this detailed postmortem of an ironic shitpost

>>81159034
Because stupid people are attracted by conflict, that's why all soap opera and teenage shows focus so much on drama

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because they're not stranded in the Delta Quadrant

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>grows up with holodeck
>don't give a fuck about Earth
>entire crew is brainwashed
>Seven, Naomi, and the Doctor unaffected

>space jew not getting along with space nazi

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Tell me captain, if the Ferengi are so great how come they didn't just buy the Dominion?

>>81159577
Pretty much. It was obvious that Quark liked Odo, and there are a few occasions that made it clear that Odo liked him back, at least a little.

>>81159034
Odo's duty was to enforce the law.
Quark was absolutely determined to run bullshit scams.

This is like asking why Lahey and the Trailer Park Boys can't get along.

>>81163358

Odo liked the challenge. To him it was like the detective novels he would read, Quark was just the nemesis that he needed to foil in this week's novel.

>>81159034
Odo, how bout you morph into someone with a personality?

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>>81163359
>MY DUTY'S TO THE LAW

>>81160997
Shall I destroy them?

Everybody knows the Bajorans were meant to be the space jews.

>>81163416
>Just b urself, Odo
>Turns into a puddle

>>81163578

They were portrayed as having their land unfairly stolen from them so clearly they were Space Palestinians.

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>>81163216

The Cardassians were kind of the space nazis, Odo was more like a space Seymour Skinner

>>81163578

The Bajorans were the six million gorillion space jews, the Ferengi were the trading jews who lived happy and comfy during WWII and massacred Palestine afterwards

>>81163624
Were the Palestinian's captured and experimented on by unsavory doctors?

Do Palestinians have lots of weird holidays?

They do you human idiots.

Americans don't understand subtle relationships.

could odo turn into latinum?

>>81163760
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? YEA WE DO
HA HA JUST BE CONFIDENT SRSLY

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Quark was in the right all along

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5J_qn93Nkc

The Ferenginar were too decentralized and individualistic to mount war on a massive scale, they would only risk their lives if there was a lot of profit involved while hoomans enjoyed dying for King Chad. Selfish, maybe, but when everyone selfish it makes the masses very difficult to exploit.

Odo's philosophy was the polar opposite, he served the Cardassians and Dominion who tortured families of rebels to prompt them to give themselves up because he believed "justice" and "stability" was for the greater good, and he was right, a civilization of meek people is better off with security because then at least they can develop the economy and maybe one day socioeconomics will favor political liberalization. Though, it could all be avoided if everyone was an übermensch like Quark to begin with.

>>81163805
Nothing can turn into Latinum, that's why it's valuable.

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>>81163848

>Quark
>ubermensch

Brunt, FCA. Don't mind me, I'm just here to cuck you for the 19th time during this show.

Finished tng now I'm almost on season 4 of ds9. I like that it's different from tng and while it may not be focused on muh exploration and progression it's at least different. I like the characters and that's what trek is really about

>>81163968
>I like the characters and that's what trek is really about
Watch TOS next

>>81164001
I'm slowly picking away at TOS and even tas over time. I don't have the desire to binge it but I really like it especially after some dude weed lmao

>>81164097

TOS is good for what it is and it's time but it's not as genuinely good as TNG (post season 2) or DS9.

>>81164169
thread hidden

>>81164169

TOS is forty-five percent solid, thirty-five percent old TV nonsense, and twenty percent gold.

And the acting from Shatner, Nimoy, and Kelley keeps the nonsense ones from being unwatchable.


And never forget that Spock's character was originally a female, and was changed by producers.

>>81164001
TOS has no characters
The only ones that barely have any character are Spock and McCoy and even them just jump to what the plot needs them to be based on the episode

DS9 > ENT > VOY = TNG > TOS

as far as characters goes, stop this meme about TOS being anything good or having good writing. The movies are the only place where TOS characters are actual characaters instead of just plot movers

>>81164313
whoosh

>>81164313

I was with you until your hot opinion of a ranking. Go fuck yourself.

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DS9 > TNG > TOS = ENT >>> VOY

>>81164443

You know what?

I'll allow it.

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>>81159034

http://incogman.net/2012/09/earthlings-pissed-over-friggin-ferengi/

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I liked Quark. I wrote an extended fanfic based on this episode about all the things Quark had to do while a woman in order to finalize the contracts.

German stereotype
Jewish stereotype
Writes itself.

>>81163960
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikJuAxiUZ7A
missed a spot

>>81164563
can I see?

>>81164563
We missed you, BashirFaggot

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>>81164443
>rating TNG diplomats always hours away from Earth higher than actual explorers

>>81164591

Ferengi are western stereotypes.

>>81164313
He's too stupid to recognize NOMAD as a character.

>>81159034

EMH > Bones > Bashir > Crusher > Phlox > Pulaski

DS9 > ENT > TNG > TOS > VOY

Picard > Kirk > Archer > Janeway > Sisko

Voyager > NX-01 > Enterprise D > Defiant > Terok Nor > NCC-1701 no bloody a b d or c

Scotty > Trip > LaForge > O'brian > BeLanna

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>>81163848

That scene shows in just a minute why DS9 is so much better than TNG, in TNG the Ferengi were assholes who would show up to be a wacky ugly comical cartoon villain race, trying to scam humans but always losing.

In DS9 they're of course still the same type of greedy space merchants, but they're developed so it'd be understood how the advanced as a society, how they were actually really good engineers, and how individuals in the Ferengi society would have different opinions, Nog's arc in DS9 is super satisfying because no one except Jake expect anything from him.

A major problem I have with TNG is their lack of depth when it came to enemy alien races, Cardassians, Romulans and Ferengi were simple bad guys with different facial features. Klingons were allies by TNG so there was finally some further explanation of them as a culture instead of simply "Muh honor", this exploration mainly coming from the character of Worf of course.
In DS9 both Cardassians and Ferengi are better explored and understood without really having to become good guys.

>>81164443

Haven't watched ENT yet, but I agree.

>>81165461
I take that back Sisko is a much better developed character then Janeway.

Also I realized I only like O'Brien because he made Star Trek into a fun buddy sitcom with Bashir. Alone he is boring and his wife is named after a SeaWorld pet.

I'll never understand the violent hatred for Voyager, it's not TNG but it's hardly unwatchable garbage. It's a 6/10 mid-tier show, still pretty enjoyable.

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>>81164443

>>81163848
I just rewatched that.

Ferengi definitely had slavery and subjugation of their women.

They also had wars http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Ferengi-Lytasian_conflict

Quark did have the best line about humans/Starfleet though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D2SHNqkjbY

>>81165732
It ran along DS9, as you can see by this thread DS9 fans are all about shitting on other series so they can elevate their favorite one above everything so of course the series that ran along DS9 has to be bashed even more

>>81163968
Watch Stargate SG1 next.

It's a more fun version of TNG

>>81165874

Uhm excuse me Trip and Travis are literally Biblical illusions and thus are Kino and thus should be green

>>81165992
Why stop there? SGA is really fun!

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>>81165964
Will your whining never end?

>>81165992
Doctor Who is a better TOS
SG1 is a better TNG
Babylon 5 is a better DS9
Lost in space is a better VOY
seaQuest is a better ENT

woah, Star Trek sucks

>>81166302
>post facts
>le whining

maybe if you guys ever stop shitposting

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>>81166324
>Babylon 5 is a better DS9

>>81166324
Doctor Who is terrible.

Only the first season of the reboot is ok, then it just becomes weird, silly nonsense, that panders to minority teen girls.

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Reminder that Dukat did nothing wrong

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>they don't want to have adventures with Flotter T. Water, III, Trevis, and the Ogre of Fire in the Forest of Forever

>>81166669
>implying warp 10 salamanders arent pure kino

Just finished Bajoran coup storyline in the second season of DS9 and I have to ask if this is what the rest of the show is like. Bajorans and Bajoran politics sucks.

>>81166785
>second season

Has Sisko shaved his head and grown his beard yet? That when DS9 turns edgy and fun

>>81164302
>And never forget that Spock's character was originally a female, and was changed by producers.

No, you idiot. The first officer was a female, but Gene wanted to cast his lover Majel Barrett and the producers didn't want that so the existing character Spock got promoted to first officer.

>>81166669
the only problem with that episode is that they treat Warp 10 as something special when in canon the ships have gone faster than that already

>>81166941
They switch from imperial to metric between TNG and Voyager

Nobody had ever gone THAT fast, regardless of what arbitrary number you assign to it

>>81165562
>Cardassians
>simple bad guys with different facial features
What is Chain of Command? What is The Wounded?

>>81166977
they went to warp 11 in TOS

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Commander.

>>81167044
And they went to Warp 14 in TNG

After which they switch to a metric 10 scale

>>81167044
Different warp factor scale. Warp 10 in VOY is infinite velocity.

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Doesn't he look like Mr. Potato Head?

>>81166837
No
I mainly want to know if the rest of the series has as much Bajoran politics and religion. I know that it's a former Bajoran station right next to Bajor but holy shit is their religion and politics dumb.

>>81167135
Leave Chakotay alone

>>81167136
It gets less annoying, yes

>>81167191
>Leave Chakotay alone

t. A-koo-chee-moya

>>81167044
The warp scale was changed between TOS and TNG. That's how that was explained away.

The problems with that arise from the future TNG episodes show ships going warp 13 I believe it was and the VOY warp 10 rule of maximum warp limits before you enter trans*warp and instantaneous travel anywhere.

My own explanation for this is lol Voyager.

>>81159034
Space Jews are hard to trust

>>81159034
How the fuck do you know what I'm doing /tv/? I'm literally watching a scene with the two of them arguing right now.

>>81159034
Which one is the jew?

>>81164854
Spotted the Jew!

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>>81167236
Did somebody say Moya?

>>81167136
The scope of the programme expands beyond Bajor without giving spoilers. Bajor is always a part of it because of what you typed, but its worth decreases as time goes on.

Kira even gets less annoying, well all of her annoyingness gets refined and amplified with someone else that is a sadistic mirror of Kira who is in a handful of episodes but no spoilers from me.

>>81167406
>that is a sadistic mirror of Kira who is in a handful of episodes but no spoilers from me.

They go to the Mirror universe from TOS where everyone is an evil, slutty version of themselves

Mirror Kira is basically a lesbian nazi commandant

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Was he /our guy/?

>>81163314
Tell me Dukot, if you are are great why are you trapped in a cave?

>>81165962
I suppose they weren't perfect. Though the Ferengi Lytasian conflict appeared to be very small in comparison to the millions who died in hoomon wars.

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>>81167533
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEJuKY_APIk#t=18s

too real

>>81163401
This, and Odo actually kept Quark sharp, a federation security Chief would have been too easy to for him.

>>81165562
each have their merits

I enjoyed Picard's moralfagging as much as DS9's grimdark

The series represented their perspectives, Picard was an explorer whose goal was to remain as morally blemishless as possible so as not to piss off any new civilizations he discovered or start a war. Sisco was already faced with war and had to do morally questionable things to survive and delve into the nuances of the Cardassians and useful people like Quark.

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>>81167587
You have to be pretty amazing to rip off the dominion and survive

>>81167484
Now why go and spoil the surprise for him? That's the sort of awfulness everyone should experience new, like Voyager.

The memes have more entertainment value that way.

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>>81167236
>I am far from the bones of my people
>finds a planet with his people

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>>81167814
Remember how Sisko was half-alien space Jesus and Dukat was literally empowered with magic by space Satan because he killed the space Pop?

The Omega Glory was an ok episode until the "reveal"

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I'd seven her nine, if you know what I mean

>>81167865
You just reminded me that Jake is 1/4 Prophet.

>>81159577
Odo getting his space magic back at the end of that episode is one of my least favorite Star Trek asspulls. Odo in that episode was just starting to become likeable and getting over his depressive self and they ruined it.

>>81167865
Don't try it captain, I have the high ground.

>>81167984
The final season of DS9 was fucking bonkers

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>>81167928
I'd be her Wildman.

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>>81168053
7 was all about dat ass

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>Kim didn't want to fuck this klingon
is he gay?

>>81168102
YEs, obviously

>>81168038
Is Ben literally Jedi training at the end?

>>81167847
>the actor kept asking for more money hoping they would fire him
>hey just kept giving him more money

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>>81167865
remember how Sisko's parents raped each other because a space alien took over his mom's body

and then jake was possessed by an evil version of the aliens

>>81168193
I WANT TO GET OFF MR RODDENBERRY'S WILD RIDE

>>81168193
>tfw he demanded he get together with 7
>They actually do it

>>81168193
Seriously?

So there is one scene with Q's soe where he makes 7's clothes disappear. Anyone have screenshots?

>>81165562
>he hasn't watched TNG

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>>81168304
Your nostalgia is showing

>>81165562
>Haven't watched ENT

Then you have yet to earn the right to post in Trek threads

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>>81168414

Most people in these threads seem to have skipped Voyager entirely, or at least once they reach Threshold, it just that takes super long because it's boring and painful, I'll get to ENT eventually.

>>81168482
As an enticement, I'll let you in on an ENT secret - Seth McFarlane is in it for a few episodes

>>81168503
>Seth McFarlane is in it for a few episodes
>enticement

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>ywn see Naomi and Mezoti's adventures

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>>81168503

Is that supposed to make me excited?

>>81168482
wait you young punks didn't live through this shit, did you? you're gorging it down on Netflix or something.

>>81168570
It is if you like Seth McFarlane, which I assume anyone too lazy to actually watch ENT does

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>>81168331

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>>81168571

>>81167274
Uh what? I thought 10 was the max in TNG as well? They had to stop using high warp after a while because it was destroying space or some shit so they'd only be going at warp 4-6 and they'd make a point of saying WE NEED TO BREAK PROTOCOL AND TRAVEL AT WARP 10 DUE TO THIS EMERGENCY SITUATIOn!

>>81168841
TNG had Warp 14

>>81167790

This might be my favorite episode of all.

>>81168687
Are you seriously alternating TNG with DS9?

>>81168880
They overlappped anon

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In the end only one person could bring them together.

which star trek series should I watch first?

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>>81168880

TNG was still airing when DS9 started, I decided to go full autism mode and watch everything on release order, including the films, TNG films came out when the other shows were still on, so I haven't watched all of them yet.

I can give you a copy of the .txt if you want.

>>81168950

TOS

Watch them on release, if you want anything before TOS, going back to it will make it unbearable.

>>81168950

TOS so your expectations stay low.

>>81168950
TNG. It's slow to start, but overall less goofy than TOS.

Then watch DS9, which builds on everything TNG did. By this point you will love Star Trek and want to see more. You will be tempted to watch Voyager but this is a trap.

Watch TOS, which is campy as hell, but you will love it.

Next is Voyager/ Then watch the TOS/TNG movies, and finish with ENT.

ENT has to be last because it's entire premise is callbacks to previous series, so you need to have seen them or it won't make sense

>>81168841
So what the fuck is Voyager's "sustained 9.975" or whatever, in goes-up-to-14 and beyond scale?

>>81166377
found the pleb

>>81168950
chronological order

ENT
TOS
TNG
DS9
VOY

>>81169060
Jumping into DS9 after TNG is like watching the Star Wars prequels after finishing Return of the Jedi

>>81169081
They switched from pounds to kilograms, there's no direct comparison.

>>81169081

As the other anon said the answer is "lol Voyager".

>>81168950
Start with Voyager season 2 episode 15 "Threshold". I think you'll like it. Then watch TOS "Spock's Brain", DS9 "Profit and Lace", the excellent ENT episodes "A Night In Sickbay" and "These Are The Voyages", and then you can watch the 2009 movie.

The writers apologised and retroactively removed Threshold from canon

It never happened, it was all a caffeine-deprived daydream that Janeway had

>>81169081
Warp 10 is literally infinite velocity, but you can still get faster than warp 9, so for every major increase they just go up in decimal points. I think warp 9.5 should be warp 10, 9.75 should be warp 11, and so on.

>>81169081
Didn't they have transwarp in Voyager?

So is Sisko dead?

>>81169207
Sort of.

Transwarp allows you to be everywhere all at once, but it also turns you into a lizard if you use it.

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>>81169204

Didn't they go some ridiculously high number like Warp 27 in TOS in that episode with the invaders from Andromeda?

>>81169238
He's training with Master Prophet and comes back in Return of the Emissary with a new beard.

>>81165562
In all seriousness you deserve a medal for the content you've created here.

>>81169252
And that's all you really need to know about the idiotic 10 is infinite speed scale.

>>81169366
they went to warp 11 but the Kelvan guy say they would go even faster later

>>81169413

what content?

>>81169366
why would the marker streak upward like that though? They don't actually go "up", the just dissolve where they are and teleport there

>>81169437
Hard to recall but I think they exceeded 10 in TOS both when Nomad improved the engines, and again when the aliens from outside the galaxy commandeered the Enterprise and set it to go back home.

>>81169252
But if you have a Borg transwarp coil or if you're the evolved dinosaurs, then you're okay and can go transwarp without going transwarp.

>Janeway and Paris's superhuman salamander offspring stayed on that planet

The Dominion were pussies compared to what the Federation has waiting for them in their future

>>81169469
yes, that was the people from the Kelvan empire in the Andromeda galaxy

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>>81169445

>what is a joke?

>>81169437
>>81169534

I should check but I'm remember them mentioning a super high warp number when the invaders finish tuning up the engine.

>>81169499
Obviously they when back in time, travelled to earth and became the dino people

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Somebody should shop the spines on her forehead in her grown up pictures.

>>81168841
Rewatch the episode where Q sends Picard to multiple spots in time to save humanity and pay attention to future Captain Crushers orders, she says to go at warp 13.

The timeline is all sorts of fucked up thanks to Threshold.

>>81169178
The patricians viewing order.

>>81159034
>>81159034
>>81159034
ITT: Morons who don't realise this was a terrible rip-off of Babylon 5

>>81170115

I love when you fags show up and complain about how no one remembers your crappy little off brand Star Trek.

>>81169252
That was warp 10, not transwarp. Warp 10 is lizards gotta go fast, transwarp is just another level of speed above cis warp.

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>>81159034

Quark is a bartender who sells liquids for consumption. That creeps the shit out of Odo because he's a Shapeshifter.

It just happened to fall into place that Odo is 1) a giant stubborn asshole and 2) Quark is a notorious low key criminal on his station.

>>81170134
>BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP
>Captain, it appears I leaked some borg nanobots

>>81169238
No, he just ran away from his son like all black fathers.

Ascending to another plain of existence to live with the prophets is the future version of "I'm just going to get a pack of cigarettes".

>>81163578
>Everybody knows the Bajorans were meant to be the space jews.
This is correct but how they also managed to develop a race that so easily fulfills the anti-semitic stereotype of the greedy jew is interesting. Was it an accident? Are they trolling? Were they originally supposed to be one species but someone in the writers' office noticed that they were in danger of really stepping in shit?

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>>81170115

Except that any rational person would loathe Londo by the end of the show and basically say he had it coming for everything he did.

He was lucky G'Kar turned out to be a pretty great guy in end, to even forgive him for basically ordering the extinction of his whole race.

>>81169366
Yes, a mere 200 years to get to the Andromeda galaxy and Starfleet has had those engines for over a century.

You now realise Voyager should have lasted an episode and there is no bullshit excuse like the temporal prime directive to justify it.

>>81170333
G'Kar is just a low-budget rip-off of Tomalak.

>>81170361
Voyager should have been a miniseries.

>put timers on torpedoes
>put torpedoes in Caretaker's array
>user Caretaker's array to go home
>blow up Caretaker's array after leaving
The rest of the series wasn't necessary.

>>81170333
Londo did nothing wrong.

He felt clean because he was clean.

>>81170202
>Quark is a bartender who sells liquids for consumption. That creeps the shit out of Odo because he's a Shapeshifter.

Did they ever directly suggest this? That's fucking genius if they did.

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What happened with Quark and Grilka anyway? Its like they dropped the whole thing for Dax and Worf to have their nonsensical relationship.

>>81170599
He made that up. He hates Quark because he know's he's a criminal, and he;s too shitty a constable to catch Quark actually committing a felony

>>81170361
>You now realise Voyager should have lasted an episode and there is no bullshit excuse like the temporal prime directive to justify it.

You forgot "It'll take decades for our scientists to understand this and be able to use it!"

Meanwhile 7 decades later, still no warp 24 engines.

>>81169578
Is this your new trip "BF"?

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>>81169178

>>81170648

That's exactly what they did.

>>81170202
>Quark is a bartender who sells liquids for consumption. That creeps the shit out of Odo because he's a Shapeshifter.

What happens to Odo if he gets drunk? Not intoxicated, but actually swallowed.

>>81170803

Have you seen Alien?

>>81170803
He passes through you like the liquid he is mimicking would

In his natural state, he can't be consumed due to a primitive defence reflex

>>81170788
That's annoying. I would've appreciated even a throwaway line to give it a conclusion like Grilka refusing the behave as a Ferengi woman or Odo mocking him for biological incompatibility.

>>81170875
So, when he wanted to get in Kira Nerys' pants why didn't he just slip himself into her drink and wait to get a nice view of her pussy as she pissed him out?

>>81170648
They got divorced

In 2373, the House became embroiled in the Second Federation-Klingon War and the Klingon-Cardassian War and lost valuable troops and starships in the process. Grilka visited her ex-husband on Deep Space Nine, and despite interest from Worf, Son of Mogh, Grilka renewed her relationship with Quark. (DS9 episode "Looking for par'Mach in All the Wrong Places").

Coupled with events in the galactic scale, the House also had an ongoing conflict with the House of D'Ghor which also cost troops and caused severe damage to the ancestral home on Qo'noS. Precious artifacts and treasures were also "destroyed" by D'Ghor and his allies, but this was later proved to be a ruse for D'Ghor to steal the Kozack family treasures. (DS9 short story: "... Loved I Not Honor More").

>>81170945
Lawful Neutral - the means are more important than the ends

>>81170945

So you think Odo ever turned into freaky animals when fucking Kira? Asking for a friend.

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>>81166324
SG1 is better than TNG, but that's just because it has a better sense of humor.

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>>81170689

Who's BF?

>>81170945
>can provide a complete, space-filling penis and stick a cow tongue down her throat and suck her tongue and suck her titties and tongue plunge her rectum until it touches his cow tongue going in the other end
>wastes time "working as a constable"

>>81171075
GOOLD?

>>81171134
>all that at the same time btw

>>81170803
There was an episode planned for the second season where the sub-plot was Odo turning himself into a raktajino and waiting for Kira to drink him. It would be revealed that he often did this to the women of the station for sick pleasure.

The punchline was supposed to be that Quark would enjoy the free drink and his morning whizz would scream "noooooo!" as Odo realised where he was coming from.

>>81170687
They had over a century to understand it but the people who upgraded the engines were still around and have been working with the Federation for all that time.

You can't tell me Section 31 didn't jump on that opportunity. I bet they spent that entire time wiping out the Kelvan empire.

>>81171189
please be true
link?

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>>81171100
Some literal tranny who posted his collectibles and possible pictures of xerself

>>81168002
>that episode
5x12- The Begotten
>Odo in that episode was just starting to become likeable and getting over his depressive self
No he wasn't, he was just living vicariously through the changeling, like those ugly mothers that put their children into beauty pageants. He barely appeared in the preceding episodes, the last time we really saw him was Things Past which was at one of his lowest points, they never allowed him to grow as a human character at all.

>>81168217
>evil version of the aliens
Can we talk about this? The Pah'Wraiths were not evil, or if they were they were exactly as evil as the rest of the Wormhole Alien species. All the Pah'Wraiths ever did was try and attack the wormhole, and all the Prophets ever did was try to destroy the Pah'Wraiths, that's literally why they engineered Sisko's birth via the rape and murdered all those Dominion soldiers that were about to destroy their weapon.

None of them were demonstrated to have cared a bit about non-womhole aliens, and we don't know what their motives really were other than destroying the other, every character just projected their own motives onto them.

>>81165874

pretty much correct

>>81171593
>via the rape
stop with the hyperbole

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>>81166669

>this episode is canonical in the star trek universe

>>81159100
>implying an ideologue multi national state could stand in the face of expansionist empires with no such moral compunctions
We'd all be speaking Klingonese.

>>81171721
>Implying possessing someone then making them have sex with someone and give birth to their child isn't rape

>>81168193

based as fuck

>>81171755
And so is slingshotting around the sun to return to the past and other wacky ideas

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>>81168950

>>81171755
I want a movie mirroring TMP where the end result of that episode comes to destroy the federation

>>81171807
Good except it should include the rest of the TOS movies and TAS somewhere

>>81171593
I thought they just relocated the Jem'Hadar in the wormhole?

>>81171905

Relocated them to a different plane of existence.

>>81170289
>>Everybody knows the Bajorans were meant to be the space jews.
>This is correct
No it isn't. Even if you ignore that most of Hollywood is Jews, they couldn't put a note up in the writer's room saying "Bajorans = Jews". And TV shows have multiple writers, and they all had different ideas about who they were supposed to be; Jews, Tibetans, Palestinians, etc.

>>81164683
If there's ever a post DS9 set star trek in the future they better have a reactionary Ferengi. I actually had a hard time sitting through the later Ferengi episodes.
I actually liked the idea that the Federation was winning a cultural victory over them. That they were already slowly liberalizing in the face of their constant contact with them, but the impossible speed with which their society changes at the end was fucking stupid and undermined that.

>>81165874
I would put some of your red characters as yellow and some of your green characters as yellow.
Not everyone's outright terrible like Yar, most are middling like Scotty.

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>>81171807
>>81171900
Here

>>81168503
The King of Jordan was on an episode of TNG.

Andy Dick was on an episode of VOY...

>>81172439
>Andy Dick was on an episode of VOY

That was kino

>>81172439
The now king was on VOY not TNG.

>>81172439
Andy Dick (while a Dick irl) can occasionally knock out certain roles like in Message in a Bottle (?).

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>>81167533
>invited to company dinner
>invitation says to bring a guest

>>81172646

Being directly responsible for a murder/suicide classifies you as more than "a dick".

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>>81173015
>Being directly responsible for a murder/suicide classifies you as more than "a dick".

Didn't we already have this thread?

Are the crack dealers responsible for all the murders their clients commit?

Yes and no.

A very troubling issue.

>>81173142

Their relationship was much more intimate than your average crack dealer/crackhead but as you've hinted at that is an argument for another thread. But he is still far more than just your normal dick.

>>81172148
I want to see an actual threatening Ferengi someday. Closest we ever got was that assassin from Magnificient.
A Ferengi over 6 and a half feet with a huge skull he bashes people with would be something.

>>81173251
Brunt was a threatening Ferengi, he'd use the law to ruin your life and hire mercenaries to beat the shit out of you for good measure too. I can't imagine a bulky threatening Ferengi because you'd still know you could take him out by grabbing his ears and squeezing like you were juicing an orange.

>>81163624
This. They are Space Palestinians.

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>>81173251
>I want to see an actual threatening Ferengi someday

And I want to see you settle down with a beautiful girl and start a family. Once you change an object past a certain point it stops being the original thing however much you want it.

>>81173665
>woah these people are divided and quite violent
>let me introduce them the concept of nazism and racial superiority
>WOAH HOW IS THIS HAPPENING?

was the guy they sent there retarded?

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We all know why DS9 was best.

>>81161263
>>81162090
>>81166689
>>81168053
>>81168547
>>81169716
>tfw you'll never fuck those lolis behind everyones back and laugh at them when everyone is too pussy to really punish you if caught

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>>81174195
comfy/trek/

>>81159100

You're retarded.

DS9 embraced the reality that advanced technological progress doesn't necessarily undo thousands of years of biological imperative, natural selection, and human psychology and history. It took the most honest approach to exploring the human condition in the context of galactic conflict than any of the other series.

>>81174568

Because at the end of the day as long as there are two people left on the planet someone is gonna want someone dead.

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Picard is a better captain than Sis-

>>81170599

Some bit of random info they had in mind when designing the rivalry in the first season. Isn't ever mentioned by anyone other than the show's producers back in the day when they AOL messenger'd to fans how the show began and where they stole their ideas from. (barring Babylon 5 naturally)

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>>81174625

>History of the Jews by Maury Samuel

>>81159034
wtf are you talking about? they are best friends.

>>81174625
Oh yeah? Well what if they were monks huh? What if they were clones? What if they didn't know the other was there?

Take your philosophical nonsense to /r/spirituality

>>81159464
>that theme

Thanks, it's been years

>>81166427
only good Dr. Who's are the super old ones, everything reboot is pure shit

>>81159034
Odo loves Quark.
It's written all over his back.

>>81173015
>directly responsible
is directly the new literally?

>>81174651

brettygood

>>81176449
wow

>>81167274

They explain going to warp 13 in "this episode is the future's future" by saying they had to re-chart the warp scale again due to propulsion being so advanced they were getting so close to the warp 10 limit it was just easier to rewrite the scale and say warp 13 than say warp 9.99999999999 ans so on.

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How do you anons feel about Rainn Wilson being cast as pic related for Discovery?

>>81176532
>Mudd

Am I misremembering, or was he a slaver and sex offender on the run from the Federation?

>>81176585
yes

>>81176585
He was just a lovable human trafficker who had his sex slaves addicted to drugs is all. Nothing too serious, just worthy of a slap on the wrist.

why cant the next star trek take place after voyager?

>>81174529
N A o M i
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WIldMan

Tell me a story about Seven's boobs, Neelix!

>>81176623
>lovable human trafficker who had his sex slaves addicted to drugs

What did Gene mean by this?

>>81159034
OP, because one was a German and the other a Jew. I'll let you guess which is which....