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Azor Jon

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Who was actually in the wrong here?

>>81116389
Everyone except radmure desu

Modern day Isaac Hempstead Wright

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When Barristan resigned, do you think he could've killed the rest of the Kingsguard?

I think he would've gotten through maybe 3 of them before the worthless hordes started stabbing everyone and him being one of them.

>>81116733
The kingsguard? Yes. Clegane? Not sure

>>81116733
In magical world where fighting skill is an immunity to damage, yes
Not the effect they would've gone for given the context though

>>81116809
Clegane, really? The guy who got his shit pushed in by Oberwyn?

I think Barristan could go toe to toe with Dayne

>>81116814
>not suspending your mind

>>81116542
This is unironically completely correct. Edmure is the only one that had absolutely no reason to deserve the shit that went down and is pretty much completely stuck in the middle here. The show portrayed him as a coward but he's honestly just a really based lord. He'll roll out and defend his people or let the small folk in the walls. It's not always smart, but he's a based bro.

At least he got to fuck Roslin Frey.

>>81116849
No, the Clegane who hasn't had his shit pushed in by anyone. The one that Jaime Lannister (one of the greatest fighters of all time in his own right) said was clearly the better fighter of the Clegane brothers.

>>81116849
Sandor Clegane aka The Hound. He was there when Selmy got fired

>>81116939
>>81116947
You mean the Clegane that lost to a woman, the same woman Jaime beat up while cuffed?

Ok.

>>81116861
He's an absolute idiot, a shit commander who grew up idolizing two other idiots like Cat and his father and was so frail he went as far as going full "notice me senpai" for his underaged nephew while completely undermining his campaign
He's still based and a bro but he's an idiot, that's part of the Radmure character charm

>>81117010
That's stupid ass DABID changing the story for those hipster fuckers in that bar we all hate in that webm.

>>81117132
I mean I've read the books and seen the TV show, I'm going off the TV show

>>81117151
Well, if a bunch of random rich guys in masks that have never had to fight for anything can wreck Barristan I think the Kingsguard would've pushed his fucking shit in.

>>81117194
kek that's true, I see your point now.

Azor Jaqen

Why did Rhaegar name both his sons Aegon?

>>81117194
Where did this meme start? The meme that Barristan is supposed to be able to fight off a dozen men at once? That's impossible for anyone. Doesn't matter how skilled you are.

Jaqen H'ghar, born in the free city of Lorath, was a Lorathi criminal who later emigrated to Braavos to become a Faceless Men. After getting the Braavos citizenship, he began the training in the House of Black and White.

Jaqen H'ghar is Lorathi-Braavosi former criminal turned Faceless Men.

But why was Jaqen a criminal?
Why did he emigrated to Braavos?
Why did he became a member of the Faceless Men?
Does Jaqen still have relatives? Other H'ghar brothers and sisters?
Does Jaqen H'ghar work-out? Hobbies?

>>81116733
Little girls can fight grown men in armor. One of the greatest swordsman in history turned out to be a duel wielder. If GoT is going full anime sure, Ser Barry of all people deserves to be an invincible sword master

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Yeah btw, will Jaqen H'ghar return in season 7? He and Arya have unfinished business.

>>81116861
>"She's prettier than I dared hope." Edmure raised a hand before she could speak. "I know there are more important things, spare me the sermon, septa."
i forgot how comfy that chapter before the RW was

>>81117010
Desu even though it was stupid, wasn't the Hound sick or something during the fight? But yeah, Brienne gets wanked hard by the show.

>>81118016
CP.

Immigrant ban.

Identity crisis.

His wife's son.

Collecting rare faces.

>>81118088
Face it, Dungeons & Dragons are never going to bring him up again

>>81116733
He would've carved them into thousand pieces. He would've probably won anyone in the seven kingdoms and beyond. Then we made him die worthlessly to some random henchman #427 because we prefer writing fanfic about Missandei and Sir Dickless.

Be prepared to get massively dissapointed in the upcoming season.

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>>81118124
Haha kek, thanks for for answering my questions.

Also congratulations, heres a (you) and hopefully some dubs.

I'm proud of you anon.

>>81116347
Rate the new promo, /got/

>>81118124
>CP
What does that mean?

>Immigration ban
He was born in the free city of Lorath and he emigrated to Braavos, which he succesfully does and gets a Braavosi citizenship as a result.

hi

>>81118253
Hello there

Anyone else looking forward to the hound and the brotherhood? I know Thoros and based Beric will die but I'm just glad they are still alive and honestly getting more face time then the books.

But where do you think the Hound will go after surviving the battle beyond the wall? How will he react being reunited with Kingslanding characters?

>>81118345
>after surviving the battle beyond the wall?
wot

>>81118230
>being this new

>>81118230
Child porn

I'm just meming anon

>>81118175
Thank you, and may your digits prosper like THESE dubs

>>81118171
I was about to say MAYBE Jaime on a good day, or the Hound in full plate could give him a good fight, but then i remembered both were made to job in this show. To be fair, it's hard to tell if Jaime was nerfed or they just buffed Eddard.

I guess there's always the fookin' legend. Barry is a knight, after all.

>>81118364
I-i didn't know, I'm sorry.

>>81118253
welcome xD

>>81118366
>they just buffed Eddard.
this is pretty clearly the case since jaime is still meant to be pretty high-tier in the show
ned's not meant to be particularly skilled or physically imposing in the books especially compared to jaime even cat thinks that jaime looks like a beast of a man and thinks about ned as short and plain

>>81118345
Eh. If it were anyone but the actual showrunners I might be intrigued, but I just don't trust them to not fuck it up. Latest promos seem to emphasise teams Rob, Cersei and Khaleesi forming up so I've a bad feeling the Brotherhood's gonna amount to a contrivance for him to fight under Khaleesi's banner

>survival

Making some serious assumptions there bruv. Cleganebowl isn't IMPOSSIBLE yet

>reunited

How d'you think, being grumpy he can't punch bitches with no excuse

>>81118410
It's fine senpai, we were all new once

>>81118430
Fair enough. Actually-it's been a while, how far have they wanked Bronn? In the books doesn't he fuck off to retire and mary Lollys? Can't seem to remember him being the renaissance man of Westoros who isn't afraid of taking on the Hound

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Would Lorne Malvo make a good Faceless Men?

>>81118492
Well I have been posting on 4chan since December 2014 so......

>>81118503
He'd do alright, yeah. Though not as well as Brendan "JUST" Fraser

>>81118538
And yet, my point still stands

>>81118363
Thoros Beric and Sandro go with Jon Tormund Jorah Gendry and others to catch a wight.

>>81118542
Yes you're right, I gonna keep my mouth
closed. Again thank you desu senpai.

>>81118553
wot

>>81118430
Also the actors who play them are reversed in their skill. Seen Been has experience with swordplay from LoTR and Nikolai is actually really shit at even choreographed fights. Most not well known actors in the show were chosen for their skill with weapons. Oberyns actor was chosen because he knew what he was doing with his spear.

Yeah but when is that fat fuck going to release the book?!

>>81118651
Kek, and inadvertantly made a bunch of show newfags think Oberyn's the Jaimie Lannister of spearfighting. At least we can agree none of them are as bad as the Sneks.

>>81118651
He's going to die midway through a gratuitous description about honey-glazed lamb racks next to a moss pate or something

>>81118694
>>81118629

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will we see cordy as young lyanna again?

>>81118651
I respect that he cares about continuity and takes his time because of that, but he should really not write in fucking dos.
He should have a modern operating system with several different programs to help him keep track of things.
A good writing program, a program with maps and pins to keep track of where everyone is, an excel document with population census, army sizes and resources.

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Would Euron Greyjoy make a good Faceless Men?

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What if the mountain stopped at this point and Oberyns life was spared?

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>>81118603
Stupid idea by Dabide to kill off male characters for Grilll Power

during the winterfell fight the giant should've had a bow desu

>>81118903
shield and giant club

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>>81118755

>>81118755
Nah that think the only flashback this season is with Raegar so I think they will use older ugly Lyannna

Can Bran affect the past or can he only make the past act the way it already happened?

>>81116347
>literally just walking actors
>trailer
what did they mean by this

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Who would teach Lorne Malvo to be a Faceless Men? The Kindly Man?
Also would Malvo try to talk with the Waif?

>>81118773
He's kinda old desu, he probably just kept writing the way he did years ago and never stopped out of momentum

>>81118842
Everyone would share awkward looks and a tumbleweed would appear out of nowhere. Later, the Mountain would rape someone who whispers he's going soft behind his back.

>>81118903
Can't have Gough stomping the setting yet, none of Khaleesi's pussy dragons are anywhere near Kalameet-tier

>>81119149
Everyone's going on a personal journey as well as a physical one to the iron throne. It's symbolic pottery or some shit

>>81119115
Who even knows? They're pulling time shenanigans out of their ass, all bets are off

>>81118755
The north is weird, how did this cutiepie turn into a Goblin?

>>81119115
That's possibly the most retarded question I've seen this week. If he alters the past, how could it be perceived as anything else as something that has already happened? Whatever happened, happened either with or without Bran's interference.

>>81119268
?
You think it's retarded to wonder what kind of time travel they go with when fiction treats it in very different ways all the time? Have you never seen time travel in fiction before?
I was wondering if it was just the self consistency principle or something else.

Friendly reminder that Jon Snow is now categorically a deserter of the Night's Watch, the penalty for which is death. Even the most dedicated Starkfags and Jontards cannot dispute this with coherent logic.

>>81119384
They had already signed the paperwork for his watch being over once he died.
His watch is over.
This is known.

Could someone post the "Iceberg Tier"- meme pic with the game of thrones fan theories?

>>81118492
>Actually-it's been a while, how far have they wanked Bronn?
Bronn is an interesting case. The fight he's most famous for in the Eyrie is against an old knight who was easy to tire out. So based on that alone he's not the best.

However, he's also shown to be really into prep time; spending hours watching other knights train at the Red Keep while training in private so they can't get a read on him. While being perfectly honest with Tyrion, Bronn admits that with a bit of luck he might be able to kill the Mountain, so by his own assessment he is pretty good.

In short, the show has wanked him quite a bit, but that's less because Bronn is untalented and more because Bronn prefers to avoid fighting guys who aren't sixty years old.

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Is Tormund proof that gingers are the master race? This guy is so handsome.

Disclaimer: I am NOT gay

>>81119421
>is still alive
hmm sounds like he is still beholden to his vows as the Lord Commander of the Night's Watch.

>>81119504
They made the death vow when he died, and signed the paperwork for it, it nullified the first vow and ends his watch.

>>81119477
>I am NOT gay
Me neither. I hate faggots. I'm 100% heterosexual who just happens to think penises are aesthetically fantastic and they taste of nectar.

>>81119468
I'm not sure if this line is in the books, but Brienne makes a good point about Jamie after they get captured, about how all her life she'd been hearing how amazing Jamie is, but she isn't impressed. Yeah she's just busting his balls, he was chained, but it's a valid point - that people like to overpraise a famous name.

For example, what the fuck has Barristan done that makes him the greatest living swordsman? Praise from Jamie Lannister. He has participated in various wars throughout the years, performed great at tourneys (unhorsing famous knights), was a member of Aerys' kingsguard (who people like to say was "legendary" even though Joffrey's kingsguard is almost just as good).

Barristan is mostly a "legendary" tourney knight. He does not have a massive kill list. Any of the top Ironborn would mop the floor with his gay ass.

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>>81118755
>>81119038
What went so so wrong?

>tfw they didn't cast the Turkish actress as adult Lyanna

Friendly reminder that the show is plebbit fan service. Balon Greyjoy was not murdered by his brother Euron, but by the jealous Storm God.

>>81119653
>Any of the top Ironborn would mop the floor with his gay ass.
Ironborn aren't exactly proven fighters

I mean, Ironborn vs a fishing village I think the odds are slightly in favor of the ironborn, but other than that, eh

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Why didn't the Giant just charge Ramsey's line and break a gap in the shield formation so the men could escape?

>>81119730
Victarion
Dagmer
Andrik the Unsmiling
possibly Harras Harlaw and Nute the Barber as honorable mentions

>>81119653
In the books Brienne reflects on how she only beat Jaime because he was chained up after rotting in a dungeon for a year. She's under the impression that in his prime, he may well have actually have been GOAT.

Of course, take that with a grain of salt, since Brienne herself is only good, not great. Jaime could beat her, but so could some random faceless men outside the inn at the crossroads.

As for the Ironborn, we don't really know how any of them stack up. Theon was a proven fighter before getting flayed within an inch of his life, and Victarion slaps knights around with his retard strength, but we have no indication that the rest are particularly great.

>>81119743
Because the bolton shield wall infantry have super human speed and were able to flank better than cavalry.

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>>81116347
>Reminder that Jon's real name is Aegon
>Fucking Aegon
Kill me

>>81117062
>t. showfag

>>81119846
Wait, why the fuck did Rhaegar name both his sons Aegon? Shitty writing.

>>81117062
>other idiots
>his father
where did you get this idea from

>>81119846
JonCon btfo

Riddle me this. How come we can see Cersi's breathe. Is she a White walker or is the iron throne room very cold because of the approaching night king.

>>81119856
>showfag
>posting in /tv/

>>81119801
Victarion is a badass reaver, he's been fighting all his life, or rather, since Balon took over from his father. We can assume Dagmer has also been doing actual fighting and killing all of his life.

We see Victarion BTFO anyone who dares fight him on the shields, and later learn that Harras Harlaw pretty much did the same thing, though we don't see it first hand. I admit Andrik is kind of a fallacy under this line of argument, because we only have Victarion's impression of him to go by. Regardless Andrik is a big guy, bigger than Victarion, so if it's "retard strength" that makes Victarion so formidable (it's not just that, it's a lifetime of actual fighting and killing) then Andrik has more.

>>81119846
Sauce?

he was like newborn when ned arrived.
Why would they both say, lets name him Aegon, but I'll call him Jon forever?
His real name is Jon

>>81116347
this trailer removes all excitement from dany story arc until she gets to that grand hall she is in

did they forget the season ended with her on a boat?

>>81119653
>what the fuck has Barristan done that makes him the greatest living swordsman?
Duskendale, nigga

>>81119958
If Ned called him Aegon it would be pretty obvious he was a Targaryen
????

Retard

>>81116733
depends what season it was in

>>81120002
Bravery. He didn't slay dozens of men in single combat, did he? I skip calorisi chapters so if he talked about it there I wouldn't know

>>81120004
So no sauce then, thanks dumbass.

No one ever called him Aegon, so his name is not Aegon. His real name is Jon.

>>81119958
there is no sauce for that his name is Jon

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her cuddles with the little lords made me feel things

>>81117952
Lack of imagination. After all Roman men usually named all of their daughters after themselves. For example a Roman named Octavius might have three daughters all called Octavia.

>>81120004
>calls someone a retard
>is actually the retard
Aegon Frey. (also a retard, btw)

>>81118027
Can't wait to see Pirate King Euron breaking out the three sword style.

>>81120050
He also cut through the Blackfyre army and killed Maelys the Monsterous during the war of the Ninepenny kings, and apparently fought with distinction against the Kingswood Brotherhood and at the Trident (Which we hear about from both Ned and Stannis, I believe).

>>81119915
because winter is here

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>>81119958
>https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/57w3yw/my_awayforthelads_season_7_spoiler_timeline/
>Sam and Bran figure out Jon's heritage. He is apparently a legitimised Targaryen named "Aegon".
I fucking hate this shitty show

>>81119996
Did you read the spoilers? Before Dany gets to Dragonstone she gets her shit pushed in by Euron who destroys half her fleet, kills Obara and rapes and kills Nymeria, enslaves Yara and brings Tyene and Elaria as a gift to Cercei to kill.

Honestly the stuff before Dany and Jon meet at Dragonstone sounds like the best part of the season.

>>81116347
who the fuck even cares anymore??

>>81120086
Pretty sure the leaks said Sam finds legal docs saying Jon's legal name is Aegon.

>>81119941
Yeah, that's a good point. I guess the Ironborn really only seem like an unknown quantity because they do most of their fighting off in the stepstones or wherever, and aren't knights so they get looked down on anyway. Also until recently they seem to be pretty garbage at strategy, and their foot soliders don't seem impressive with the exception of some particularly talented lords like the ones you mentioned.

>>81119655
>rhaegar tore the kingdom apart and doomed his family for THIS

>>81120163
>Maelys
Some hunchbacked faggot-tier loser? cmon now.
>kingswood brotherhood
I never said that he had *no* battle experience, just that his "legendary" status is as a tourney knight. The kingswood brotherhood was defeated by winning the smallfolk, so effectively through diplomacy.

>>81120234
>leaks
>sauce

>>81120177
Yeah he's the son of lyanna and rhaegar but that doesn't make his name Aegon.

No one was around to name him Aegon when Ned arrived.
Ned wouldn't want to name him Aegon, Lyanna wouldn't want to name him Aegon, the two chicks present are not relevant, and Rhaegar was dead.

>>81120086
>Game of Thrones pdf
>ctrl+f Jon
>882 results

>>81118027

>One of the greatest swordsman in history turned out to be a dual wielder.

Don't want to piss on your shit but that is literally true in real life as well. Miyamoto Musashi developed a dual wielding technique that he used when fighting multiple opponents.

And if you don't know who that was, well, the guy spend about 20 years traveling Japan and sought out the greatest masters of each region and fought duels with them. Conservative estimates sets his dueling record as 60 wins and 0 losses.

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>>81120340
The outline of the whole season leaked you dope. All the set pics and officially released info confirms it was true.

>>81120265
That's always such a problem when in the story a womans beauty is important.
She looks fine, but she's not some insane beauty.
You'd need to find some curvy fit thick chick with a huge ass, wide hips and huge tits and still a very pretty face to make it plausible, but actresses are just kinda pretty in general.

>>81120381
In the books his name is likely Aemon. D&D just became so lazy they forgot the name Aemon and hence Jon will be Aegon.

>>81120241
>and aren't knights so they get looked down on anyway

And this is pretty much what I'm getting at with Barristan and company. The Ironborn are not knights, and do not participate in tourneys where you make yourself famous by unhorsing other "famous" and popular knights. So they are not going to be really known about throughout the Kingdoms. But as we see in Victarions chapters, there are several badasses in this current crop of Ironborn, who can slay multiple people at once. That's why I think people like Jamie and Barristan are overrated, compared to some of the other warriors we come across.

>>81120234
>legal docs
Are you telling me that Ned, who kept the truth about the birth from everyone, including his own wife out of fear of what Robert would do, decided to file a fucking birth certificate naming him Aegon Targaryan and put it on record where any idiot in the citadel could read it? That's the most retarded thing I've ever heard.

It might not have been Ned, I guess. Maybe that's why there were only two kingsguard at the tower instead of three like in the books. One was sent away to register the birth.

Either way, Jon sure is lucky that no one at the Citadel noticed there was a birth registered for the child leader of the civil war and the girl the war was fought over. Seems like that would have been big important news, but I guess maesters have important things to worry about, like training ravens.

>>81120334
>hunchbacked faggot-tier loser
More like the proto-mountain. And that doesn't change the fact that the had to kill a whole slew of Golden Company soldiers, who by all account are pretty badass.

>>81120464
>In the books his name is likely Aemon.
Why would it be anything other than Jon though?
He's a newborn bastard, Rhaegar is dead at that point, Lyanna is dying.
Why another secret name?

>>81120545
Jon Stargaryen, first of his name, King of Reddit and the Starkfag Cucks, Lord of Tumblr, and Protector of the Fanfiction.

>>81120565
That's also like 40 years before the story starts. I concede that he must have been good. I do not accept his boasts about being able to kill Joffrey's kingsguard when he was dismissed, and I don't accept his "legendary" status in the timeframe of the novels.

>>81119384
Literally nothing wrong with that, based Legend was a deserter too

>>81119477
>master race has no souls

Wight detected

>>81119468
Huh. And even knowing it really sours me on him since he doesn't exactly throw his weight around with it. Stealthy wank is the best kind of wank, I guess.

>>81120399
I've no beef with based Miyamoto, guy was literally an IRL Bronn. He didn't just rely on sword skill, he'd show up late or early to his duels, fuck with people by bringing improvised weapons, ambush them before they ambushed him etc.

Dayne's scene just wasn't executed well imo, he was surrounded by faggots in plate with shields. Besides he's supposed to be famous for his longsword Dawn wasn't he? Just seems like they made up a new style for him and it didn't look good.

>>81119384
>it shall not end until my death
>dies
There you go.

Besides, the Northerners are the ones who take those oaths most seriously, and they don't seem to mind.

>>81120728
>he doesn't exactly throw his weight around with it
Well that's another thing that make's Bronn interesting. Bronn is like Littlefinger in that he doesn't have alot of faith in chivarly, and because of that people underestimate him. He then takes advantage of that by killing the right people at the right time.

In the book, Bronn has murdered his way into being the Lord of Stokeworth, a fiefdom close to Kings Landing. Worrying about Bronn's ascension is one of the few things that Ceresi is right about during her time as regent; Stokeworth is a proseperous fief, and due to its close proximity to the capital, it provides over half of the city's food. While Bronn doesn't want his name to ring out like the Hound's or the the Mountain, he's now a very rich and influential man, who also happens to be hiring swords to shore up his position.

>>81120885
>claims to be dead
>is still alive
hmm really made me think

>>81119248
Arya got the same branch of genes it seems like.

>>81120862

REASONABLE AS FUCK

>>81120574
The whole thing with Jon as a kid pretending to be Aemon. Also the assumption that Lyanna told Ned what she wanted his name to be because she did it in the show.

Honestly in the books he could be Jon but Raegar wanted him to be named after based faggkt JonCon.

has the new season started? i don't follow this general or other shit

>>81121063
>not knowing that Jon is actually Ned's son
back to westeros.org you go

>>81120442
All she had to do was lie in a bed and say "promise me"

They couldn't have found anyone better than a 6 who was capable of doing that? They could've put an absolute worldy in there, but instead it's like an even uglier Maisie.

>>81120900
Man, show Bronn's life sucks compared to book Bronn's. He was somehow talked into trecking through the wilderness of Bravos right into an international incident, and he was last seen singlehandedly managing a siege on the Blackfish.

Has he even been paid yet? What the fuck could Jaime promise him to do all that? Seems like D&D's just using a plot hole to give him more screentime, and also justify Jaime not fucking up all these misadventures he's getting into

>>81120916
All hail Lord Stoneheart, first of D&D's original content

>>81121087
Nah

>>81121129
To be fair,

>be 8/10 actress
>some faggot director named after a board game's hiring for a role that entails lying down in a manger and saying "promise me"
>chuckle, apply for blockbuster/porn

Maybe they were just short on qts during production time

>>81120916
Oh sorry, I left put an important part
>comes back to life

He fulfilled his oath. I'm not a Jonfag or a Starkfag, I still think it was shitty of him to abandon the wall, but it's pretty clear that within the narrative of the show, he's out of the Night's Watch.

>>81121234
You didn't read my post very well, did you? How about alternatively
>be 9/10 model
>little to no acting talent
>never going to make it as an actress
>offered tiny but important role on biggest television show in the world
>role is so small even you can pull it off
>use it to boost your profile

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Dany has

> Greyjoys + 100 ships

> Tyrells

> Dorne

> Dragons

vs

Cersei who has ????

> Euron

And Jon has

>Whats left of the North

>Wildlings

How is Dany going to not curbstomp everyone

>>81121295
>narrative of the show
>somehow this excuses their retarded decisions
>expecting me to buy this explanation, as if it's ok, or makes canonical sense
Just because according to DND fanfiction it's apparently "OK" for Jonnigger to desert the Night's Watch, does not mean it is *actually* OK. Jon will not desert the Night's Watch in that fashion in the books, I can guarantee you that.

What we're doing here is highlighting just how hamfisted their fanfiction has become. Literally pulling plotlines off the westeros.org forums. No one is expecting a character in the show to abduct Jon and execute him for being a deserter.

>>81121400
I was about to say it could be a luck of the draw thing, but then I realised something: What if D&D intend to have Bran experiencing even MORE flashbacks this season

please no

What's Bran's endgame

Is he going to Warg into a dragon

>>81121401
People should build a lot of scorpions and station them in towers and in ships to try to snipe the dragons I guess.

Because as long as she has the dragons the castles aren't very useful.

>>81121536
>warg into Daenerys, jump off a cliff
>warg into Cersei, jump off a cliff

>>81121401
Dany also has the Dothraki, who are suddenly not going to be destructive rapists anymore once they get to Westeros because #notallmigrants

>How is Dany going to not curbstomp everyone

DABID

WHAT IF THE LANNISTERS ARE ACTUALLY THE BIGGEST AND MOST POWERFUL ARMY EVEN THOUGH THEY JUST GOT DONE LOSING TONS OF BATTLES AGAINST ROB STARK, HAVE A WEAK LEADERSHIP AND ARE NO LONGER BEING FINANCED BY THE IRON BANK?

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>>81119115
The past wouldnt act the way it had already happened if bran didn't affect it in the first place

>>81121633
Plus lost their alliance with the Tyrells so they shouldn't be able to feed what's left of their army now that winter's here.

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAS QUEEEN CERSEI SLAYYYY

>>81121401
She is. It should have been clear for a while now D&D are writing her to win; the best I can see is Jon digging up a final hidden tribe of giant archers or something. The most I can say is all her forces might not acclimatise well to the northern climate, and with a red priest on her side she can probably asspull a way forward.

Anyway, Cersei has what's left of the Kingsguard, what she can draft from the Westerland militia now the High Sparrow's been roasted, a crippled brother who's already using up some of her forces to put down the Blackfish and absolutely no good will from any foreign power. Yeah, she's fucked without plot armor.

At this point her best asset is literally Qyburn. He recruited Varys' little birds, created Robert Strong and probably manages her stocks of wildfire too. I wouldn't be suprised if her domestic policy literally boils down to "Qyburn, you're smart so you handle it".

>>81121536
Nobody knows anymore. That boy ain't right.

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>keep watching for the white walkers
>know that they're going to get killed off in a shitty predictable way

>>81121401
This show doesn't work on military logic, it works on oppreshun logic. The most "oppressed" side will win.
>Jon has a rape victim, le badass female knight, Mr Hands, a burn victim and an army of refugees
>Cersei has girrrl powah (YAAAS QUEEN), was slit-shamed by pseudo-Christians and is being kink-shamed for fucking members of her family
>Dany has even more girl power than Cersei (SLAY), two refugee armies, and an inner circle that consists of a midget, a dyke and not one, not two, but THREE eunuchs

Yeah, Dany's winning this hands down.

Using a loophole to get out of vows is a VERY honorable thing to do.

I'm sure Eddard would be VERY PROUD of Jon.

>>81121678
If Dabid and Dabidder do anything other than show Cersei go into a downward spiral of madness I'm going to laugh out of sheer disgust

>>81120089
what sort of things

>>81116733
>entire city watch converges on him

he'd last 3 seconds which is roughly the amount of time he lasted against the harpies

How come every season there's a new "le greatest swordsman in all of westeros"?

GRRM is a fucking HACK

>>81121401
there is literally no reason whatsoever dany should consider allying with jon for even a second when she hates the starks, thinks all of westeros belongs to her, doesnt have any reason to believe in white walkers, and could btfo jons puny pathetic manlet mexican ass in half a second

>>81121716
>it works on oppreshun logic
>Ramsay "leader of House Goodmen" Bolton routs Stannis, beats the shit out of a womyn who even had backup and kills his own father, who's arguably worse

I know who ended him and all, but he had a legit winning streak before his own sociopathy made him retarded

Honestly it just seems like the show works on the writers' waifus. Danny is obvious, the show's made no bones about Cersei being a massive cunt outside of the MUH VICTIMISED moments. And Jon's become Lord Stoneheart in all but name

>>81121692
>That boy is a cute.

fyp

>>81121786
Blame Dabid for that one, gotta make the new badass beat up the old badass

>>81121812
If I had to guess, the red priest lady with her's going to tell her to eat shit and listen to the prophecy because muh night's king

>>81121854
That boy is a USELESS LOAD and a BURDEN is what he is

>>81121716
What are the military numbers, what are the sides even?

>Iron born
>The North, Wildings, The Vale, Riverun?
>Lannister (Jamie)
>Lannister (Cersei), Crownlands
>Stormlands
Who are they with?
Who rules it?
Looks like it should go to Robert Baratheons great grandfathers daughter somewhere down the line.
Unless one of his bastards gets legitimized.
also didn't know that Robert had Targaryen blood in him, guess that made his claim better.
>The Others
>Daenerys with Tyrell and Dorne?

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Why couldn't they hire a qt teen to play Dany? I wouldn't hate her if she looked like this as opposed to a fat feminist cunt pushing 30.

>>81121536
Bran is going to warg Jon's body and Melisandre is going to crown him as Azor Ahai because of the visions that Bloodraven has been sending her. Jon is going to stay inside Ghost forever.

Bodysnatcher Bran is going to sit the throne at the end of the series, with his real body on the weirwood throne and his warged Jon body on the Iron Throne. Screencap this.

>>81121875
>That boy is a perfect angel and a supercute is what he is

fyp[2]

>>81121834
Remember, he was fighting Stannis, the living embodiment of A FUCKING WHITE MALE. Stannis killed the one true king Renly (gay), so he had to die.

>>81121751
nice things

Are Stannisfags still in denial

>>81121879
Stannis appointed his uncle, or great uncle or something as castellan/regent of Storms end when he went to the Wall.

The Kingsdoms are pretty equal, except there's a portion of Lannister forces in the Riverlands, the treasonous Tyrells by far have the most numbers, but they are about to be split dealing with the Ironborn, and probably some kind of intrigue going on with Aegon/Varys

Once Stannis wins the North, they should be kind of exhausted, but able to defend themselves quite well. The Manderlys have quite a rich city (by northern standards) and have been building a fleet. The North could definitely siege the Twins once the Boltons are destroyed.

>>81121963
>>81121971
pottery

>>81121971
>Stannis appointed his uncle, or great uncle or something as castellan/regent of Storms end when he went to the Wall.
He doesn't have an uncle, or a great uncle.
A great aunt, and she may have children. She isn't named. Just a mention that his great grandfather had a daughter as well.


>Once Stannis wins the North, they should be kind of exhausted, but able to defend themselves quite well. The Manderlys have quite a rich city (by northern standards) and have been building a fleet. The North could definitely siege the Twins once the Boltons are destroyed.
I'm confus

>>81122088
bookfags are in denial and claim the show isn't canon and stannis is still alive

>>81121971
CIA is bringing the Vale into the Riverlands. The Freys will be btfo by the Knights of the Vale and Littlefinger. In the last book CIA will come face to face with the Hangwoman and the series will end with Sansa ruling the Riverlands from Harrenhal with Baelish's baby in her belly. It'll be some kind of pottery parallel with her ancestor Mad Danelle Lothston. GRRM is obsessed with redheads and pottery.

>>81121902
Qt teens grow up quickly. Just look at Evanna Lynch or Chloe Moretz.

>>81121917
But...but Ramsay's whiter, more fucking and at least as much of a man as Stannis. He literally hunts women for sport!

>That lazy teaser with that god awful music
I am so excited for how fucking bad season 7 is going to be.

>>81121963
Do Stanisfags even still exist

The man's DEAD

And at least in the show, Melisandre was apparently WRONG about him

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>>81122146
Ramsay is Welsh, not white.

>>81122088
yes he does, faggot.

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Lomas_Estermont

>>81122146
Yes, but Stannis killed a gay man. Ramsay is also ambiguously bi, so stop kinkshaming.

>>81122147
How do you think they will top the Snek Brigade and Khaleesi's arson?

>>81122170
I didn't know SJWs see leprechauns as an underprivileged minority

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>>81122165
>M-MUH OFFSCREEN DEATH
>T-THERES STILL HOPE

>>81122170
Did Tolkien base hobbits off Welsh people? LMAO

azor littlefinger

>>81122193
>ambiguously bi
>implying

He's alpha enough he only finds pleasure when sex incorporates violence, and gets off on castrating other men. There's bi, and there's primal fuckingness. You seriously telling me SJWs are delusional enough to think Theon and him have a genuine thing going on?

>>81122199
And I don't get this either. Even assuming the man somehow escaped death by Brienne, it's been months and none of his ALLIES think he's still alive. If he is, he'd be alone, tired, wounded in the assend of winter. The man would look like a Bumfights veteran dying of hypothermia.

>Iron Islands
>Will be ruled by Queen, only male heir is castrated and a cuck

>King's Landing
>Ruled by a woman

>Dany
>SJW Woman

>North
>Jon is Sansa's bitch

Why do DD have such a cuck feminism fetish

>>81122192
Ah my bad, his mothers brother, I was only looking at Baratheons since I was looking for possible legitimiate heirs for Storms End and the Storm Lands.

>>81122285
Well if Stannis dies, then that kind of makes that guy the legitimate heir to Storms End, seeing as how he was given Storms End.

>>81121514
>>81121400
>>81121234
lol, you fucking faggots would never turn down Aisling Franciosi if given the chance. I can't believe this is even a debate when you've managed to suspend disbelief enough that Sansa is regularly commented on as being a great beauty. And it's always implied that the actions of the characters is what endears them more to others in the universe i.e. Lyanna being a strong woman

FYI in an agrarian society having most of your teeth makes you hot.

>>81122280
Euron "Big Cock" Greyjoy technically assumed command. Though it's cold comfort when whasherface and Reek stole the bulk of his navy and went down south to sign up with Dany

Jon isn't Sansa's bitch, though. He's the Bearloli in the North's bitch

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>Randyll Tarly leads most of the Reachmen to join with the Lannisters for no apparent reason
>The greatest living military strategist leads Reach and Lannister forces to sack Highgarden
>Dany's brown rapists and eunuchs btfo this army easily

>Euron had no ships at the end of the last season and most of his men ran off with Yara
>In this season, Euron btfo the combined Greyjoy, Tyrell, and Sand Snek fleets

Could Euron be more based? With Littlefinger's death could he be our new meme character?

>>81122334
Thought he was just supposed to hold it, but maybe not.
I guess Stannis felt fine with having Dragonstone and then taking Kings Landing and didn't care about Storms End staying with Baratheon just in the family.

why wont bearloli just fucking sit on my face and call me a faggot already god DAMN

>>81122393
Well, yes. But if Stannis dies, then who is going to legally take it away from him? He was made castellan/regent of Storms End by the Lord of Storms End..

>>81122280
I think the Iron Islands will go to Theon. Euron will kill Yara and Theon kills Euron.

>>81122345
>lol, you fucking faggots would never turn down Aisling Franciosi if given the chance.
No I wouldn't, but it doesn't matter.
She looks fine, but she's supposed to be so incredibly beautiful that Rhaegar passes over his own wife at a tournament for her and crowns here queen of beauties.

I'm no chad, no womanizer, but when I date better looking women than a supposed Helen of Troy it breaks my suspension of disbelief. It should be a woman I would have a hard time to match.

>>81122345
FYI this agragian society occasionally has females that look way better who have nowhere near as many social advantages

>>81122386
To be fair sans sneks are consistently shit, Bronn was wrecking them until bad pusseh used poison and grandma rose called out their stupidity

>>81122395
Bearloli finds Jon Snow's neckbeard to be warm and fuzzy for her bum, and better for scratching her itchy taint.

>>81122270
>ou seriously telling me SJWs are delusional enough to think Theon and him have a genuine thing going on?
Are you new to the internet to have to ask this question?

That said, the issue is not that Ramsay is not a fucking white male, it's that Stannis is MORE of a fucking white male. Stannis stands for conservative values such as law and order, in opposition to the progressive Renly who D&D loved so much. The fact that fans of the book, and increasingly fans of the show were latching on to Stannis as other characters died meant he had to die in the most humiliating way possible.

>>81122451
>She looks fine, but she's supposed to be so incredibly beautiful that Rhaegar passes over his own wife at a tournament for her and crowns here queen of beauties.

So I take it then Loras was passing his favor from Renly to Sansa when he did the same thing? You are suffering from a severe case of westeros.org fagfiction syndrome. Stop reading into shit that isn't there.

>>81122425
Depends on how honorbound the uncle is.
If he's like Stannis I could see him willingly give it to a direct descendant of a Baratheon.

why does jon look like a spic? serious question

>>81122505
besides bastards, there are none AFAIK. I am assuming if Stannis dies, Shireen will also be compromised in some way as well, btw

>>81122503
>So I take it then Loras was passing his favor from Renly to Sansa when he did the same thing?
You need it to be explained as to why Loras wouldn't out his gay lower at a tournament and instead hand it to someone else?
Loras wasn't married.
It's not at all the same thing.

>>81122542
>t. Linda

>>81122538
>besides bastards, there are none AFAIK.
Roberts great grandfather had two children, so on the other line there could be living descendants of a Baratheon.

>I am assuming if Stannis dies, Shireen will also be compromised in some way as well, btw
?

>>81122584
do NOT reply to bookfags they are mentally ill

>>81122511
Part valyrian

>>81122584
and what are their names?

>?
?

>>81122511
I have no idea what you're talking about. Is it the hooked nose? The wild hair? Because that man is way too pale to be a spic

>>81122551
>tfw you know in your heart Sansa will never be the new smirkfu, but sometimes just for a moment-you can kinda see it if you squint

>>81122575
Who?

>>81122386
H'es annoying as shit and the show did awful. Plus he looks just like someone I know so it's even more odd.

>>81122618
>and what are their names?
I don't know, it hasn't been revealed. Just that the great grandfather had two children.

>?
Shireen was torched, Brienne killed Stannis.

>>81122451
>>81122456
Lyanna was never described as the most beautiful woman in Westeros. She was pretty and wild. Those are the two characteristics that draw people to her.

Also in that scene you see her in the show she is dying in childbirth. That is not a beautiful scenario i.e. they made her pale as fuck because of blood loss

>>81122673
Of course he's nothing like the Euron from the books. He's a violent goofy meme pirate. He's Victarion.

>>81122675
So in other words, there are no known Baratheon heirs. Gotcha

>Brienne killed Stannis
ohhhh you're talking about the reddit-tier fanfiction adaptation of the story? I see.

In that case, the Lord of Storms End is Jon Stargaryen, first of his name, King of Reddit and the Stark Cucks, Lord of Tumblr, and Protector of the fagfiction

>>81122712
To be fair people weren't complaining about her being pale as fuck

They were complaining about her cleary having goblin blood in her lineage

>>81122771
as I said - bookfags suffer from delusions and mental illness

sad

>>81122771
>ohhhh you're talking about the reddit-tier fanfiction adaptation of the story? I see.
This is /tv/, show has priority.
Go to /lit/ if you want to just discuss the books.

>>81122798
>being this triggered
laffin at u

>>81122846
You're the one denying reality

Stannis is DEAD and died like a cuck

>>81122867
>Stannis is DEAD
According to some fanfiction, yes. Thanks for pointing that out

>>81122772
gayer than aids. if you think that actress looks disfigured you need to take a hard look in the mirror yourself

>>81122932
None of that even makes sense, faggot

>>81122904
Book Stannis isn't exactly having a good time at the moment desu. Stuck in a cave licking wounds and hoping for reinforcements doesn't bode well for the future

>>81122867
But yeah, showise Stannis has the most JUST'd death that isn't the nun who got (censored)'d by Sir Stronk

>>81121401
Does Jon not also have
>the Riverlands back with Frey dead nao?
>the Vale (with or without LittleCIA)?

>>81121536
God emperor of the universe

http://grrm.livejournal.com/438596.html?thread=22329668#t22329668

>>81122974
He's in a bad spot, but he probably will win the battle by baiting the Freys out onto a lake. Although I wouldn't be surprised if he accidentally kills all the Manderlys as well.

>>81121812
Tyrion will remind her that Ned Stark lost a lot due to her father but was still incensed at the murder of her family members. Was also anti-slavery.

tl;dr Tyrion thinks Jon is a cute

>>81122976
Is there even a proper universe in Westerosland? We sure it's not one of those magical old timey worlds that just kinda goes on for a bit?

>>81123050
I mean okay, let's say for the sake of argument he beats the Freys. Where does that leave him, really? Dany doesn't have show-level plot armor but she's got dragons and solid backing, the Westerlands still have a standing army led by Cersei and Jaime (who aren't as antagonistic to each other) and by the end of it all his men will be tired and beaten as fuck from fighting a land war where winter is already here.

>>81121812
Why wouldn't she believe in white walkers when she knows about magic, dragons and is immune to fire?
Also Jon is kin

Battle of Fire: Dany's allies are in dire straits. There's no way they can win. Surely Barristan's charge and the incoming Ironborn and Tyrion bribing sellswords won't turn the tide.

Battle of Water: Euron is in dire straits. There's no way he can win. The Hightowers are sending their own ships from the west, and the massive Redwyne fleet is coming from the east. Surely the Cthulhu monster that he's summoning won't turn the tide.

Battle of Ice: Stannis and company are in dire straits. There's no way they can win. Surely the Night Lamp and the conspiring Northern lords won't turn the tide.

GRRM is pretty predictable in his twists if you pay attention. And by pay attention I mean autistically analyze his books for years.

>>81123127
Stannis' seat is now the Nightfort. I don't think he'll be going down south any time soon.

>>81123266
Sure, I'm just taking the long view here to say that logistically, the man has a lot of ground to cover to pull a win at this point we're theoretically nearing the final books.

>>81123194
>Night Lamp and the conspiring Northern lords

And why would they lend a hand to Stannis? I know Borrell let Davos go after shittalking Cersei but it's still a longshot over the fight for the North

>>81123344
I really think this guy was on to something
http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/66380-twow-spoiler-nights-king-a-turn-from-fire-to-ice-the-story-of-stannis-baratheon/

>>81116347
cringe as heck

>>81123194
Implying that GRRM isn't going to go the easy route and use tv series as canon to finish his remaining books

>>81123127
>Where does that leave him, really?
If he doesn't end up killing the Manderlys, he could end up using them to sneak into Winterfell. The Karstark and Umber forces could also serve this purpose. No one in Winterfell will know that the Manderlys turned cloak, and no one would know that the Karstarks were outed and courced into fighting for Stannis. His situation would improve, and the casualties of battle would ease the supply situation in Winterfell.

>Dany doesn't have show-level plot armor but she's got dragons and solid backing
Dany is a moot point in the short to medium term. She's going to be in Vaes Dothrak for a little while, either as a captive or consolidating control of her new horde. Even when she's done with that, she would have to return to Mereen to pick up her infantry and officers, who will have suffered casualties in battle. Even then, it's very likely that one or both of the Dragon's in Meereen may be stolen by then, either by Quentin if he's alive, or by the Ironborn. Which would leave Dany with an army, but not a fleet, unless she somehow steals the Volantene fleet coming to fight her.

As for backing, Dany probably doesn't have as much support as she might hope for in the seven kingdoms. Aegon is poaching her support in Dorne and possibly the Reach, and he has a better claim over all unless he's actually a Blackfyre fucking shit. Plus Dany is a foreigner, with foreign support and a questionable reputation.

>Westerlands still have a standing army led by Cersei and Jaime (who aren't as antagonistic to each other)
Ceresi is still very much on trial, and Jaime is perfectly willing to let her die. Plus while the Lannisters are able to beat up isolated castles, they are stretched pretty thin and dependent on Frey forces.

Plus it's not like anyone is going to try to invade the North during the winter anyway.

>>81121234
>apply
lol

>>81123194
Euron's strategy parallels the Blackwater more than Stannis desu. Like Tyrion, he's baiting the Tyrells into attack an easy target of a ship in a splinter force, then blocking their escape when shit gets whacky.

>>81123593
Why aren't you in /lit/?
Serious question.

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>>81120265
No he did it for this, Lyanna was barely a teenager
> Rhaegar was 100% pedophile

>>81123432
That's, well, better than anything the show's come up with I'll admit. But how exactly COULD he, reasonably, "harness the power of ice"? It seems well established the Others either make you their frosty zombie bitch or kill you; the only people who might know are the Children who seem to want nothing to do with him.

And the Night's King is just a legend in the books, so giving the dick to a lady Other won't work.

>>81123593
>If he doesn't end up killing the Manderlys

If he doesn't end up killing them, and if he has enough leverage to make them kowtow at the end of the battle. As others have pointed out nobody really likes Stannis and being stuck up north surrounded by angry northerners does not bode well for someone who isn't the world's most charismatic diplomat

>Dany

She has no fleet, no-but hinging on it being "likely" her medieval weapons of mass destruction would be stolen isn't a good bet to take when Stannis himself is going to suffer casualties. All the casualties, in fact.

Granted she has much less ability to engage than I remembered but Stannis still has no realistic counter to grown dragons other than hoping said dragons die before growing up.

>Lannisters

Alright, so the chain of command is fucked up in Westeros. That's fair.

What I'm taking away from this is that nobody realistically has the leverage to do anything substantial to anyone, at the moment. I see your point in that Stannis seems to have the most unified company of fighting men north of Mereen, but he tends to do thing in a very direct way-and the logistics issues really don't favor the direct way.

>>81123838
I believe that guy's theory is under the pretense that he sees the army of the dead, and is slain and risen up by them, in some way. BTW if "kingsblood" is important for the Red Priests because of its supposed power, whos to say that the Others also wouldn't like to have a King captured?

The main problem with that theory, is how Stannis would actually "side" with them. But as we see in the AGOT prologue chapter, they do have some kind of social aspect, and GRRM confirms they have a language and a culture of sorts. "they can do things with ice you cant imagine"

>>81123816
rhaegar did it for a prophecy.
he was a faggot and a retard.

>>81123724
>discussing genre fiction on /lit/

I don't hit myself in the balls with a claw hammer, either.

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>tfw alt shit x makes a vid explaining the """teaser""" and his normie fans eat it up
how dense is this fuckin fanbase

>>81120900
Oh yeah btw in the books, is Bronn a sociopath/psychopath? Was he really a friend to Tyrion?

Queen Cersei will win. I have no doubt about that. She is the most powerful, malicious, cruel and heartless person in the entire show.

>>81124304
here's hoping preston will do another parody vid

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>>81124304
Can you blame him for trying to make money off of dense show watchers?

>>81124527
>was he really a friend to tyrion?
I highly doubt that he was

>>81124614
this way of thinking is kind of a slippery slope isn't it?

>Can you blame D&D for trying to make money off of retarded showfags?

>>81124614
GRRM spent too much time with jews

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>>81121727
A man's sure that Eddard would be VERY PROUD of Arya "a girl lacks honour" too.

>>81124527
>>81124722
I guess it depends what you means by friend...

Think he definitely likes to hang out with tyrion and shit, and he likes the situation it puts them in and all, but Bronn's friendship doesn't come with undying loyalty.

Kinda like having a "friend with your boss" relationship in current era I guess. You can't really be in bad term with him (or he might not want to employ you anymore) but sometime you develop a bit of friendship on top of that.

Think that's what Bronn had with Tyrion. Not enough to die for him for no reason, but then again I probably wouldn't duel to death a 7'6 man wearing a tank for armor, for my friend...

>>81124527
Pretty much what >>81124863 said. He is clearly fond of Tyrion; he did name his adopted son after him. That may have been just to piss of Ceresi, but in their final conversation, I recall Tyrion noting some sadness in Bronn's farewell (Tyrion is normally quite good at reading people who aren't women pretending to like him).

So yeah, friends, but not Anime-blood-brothers-fighting-giants-tier friends

As for psycopath, probably not, just a hardened soldier. George is usually pretty careful in his depiction of mental disorders, so a psychopath would have the traits actual associated with psychopathy, not some Hannibal Lector bullshit. Bronn is friendly in his own gruff way, and he seems to have grown fond of his wife aside from the material considerations.

Remember when we thought he'd release TWOW before season 5?

>>81125222
>>81124722
>>81124863
Thank you guys for the good answers.
The reason I asked this because according to tvtropes Bronn is listed as sociopath. But then again TVTropes does consist of pussys and cowards who likes calls everyone a sociopath.

Gregor is a sociopath though.

SHE CRIED TO THE SOUTHERN WIND

get ready for white walker dragons

>>81125805
Gregor is definitely a better example, though his anger may indicate that he's just been driven mad by his constant headaches.

Roose is the best example of a sociopath by far.

who is the memeest character on the show?
who is the least?

>>81116357
there is only one azor ahai. there is no reborn, come again bullshit but simply his ancestor wielding his sword.

go eat a bag of dicks

Remember when Preston had a dinner with George
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5pJkldtAh0

>>81117952
because you're a retarded, sock and strap on sandal wearing faggot who should drop this shitty forced meme.

also the fedora isn't doing you any favours

>>81125978
Nah, Gregor, Roose, Ramsay, Jofferey and Euron are sociopaths/psychopaths.

Constant headaches are no excusses for raping, murdering and committing warcrimes and genocides.

>>81118088
he'll return to hunt down arya and rape her for fucking him over

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>>81125879
epic

>>81125708
Remember when we thought he'd release TWOW?

Is Euron going to do anything in the show? They must have introduced him for a reason but it seems pointless. Do we know what happens to him?

>>81126240
Fuck off pedo

>>81126210
I agree about Roose and Gregor. Joffrey and Ramsay probably are, but could well be trying to act hard due to their upbringings. I would say we don't have enough material in Euron to say for sure

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>>81121902
dany was perfect in the earlier seasons when they dyed her eyebrows and she had tanned skin.

>>81126467
Yes about Euron, in the book is he sociopath right? He raped and murdered he is brothers, womans and his own mongrel bastards children.

Jaqenposter post in peace while the rest of /got/ is cursing at each other and arguining about Jon's oaths and whatnot.

>>81126420
His story isn't finished just like every other character because George wants to do everything but write.

>>81126070
>the memeest character on the show

At the moment it's a tie between CIA, Ramsay and Fookin' Legend.

>least

Old Nan?

Pretty much the only character I've never heard of in a meme who isn't an extra.

>>81126420
something big cock something boats

>>81127079
Is she, dare i say, /OurGirl/?

>never heard a meme of
oh my sweet summer child

>>81126070
>who is the memeest character on the show?
Lyanna Mormont
>who is the least?
Qyburn

>>81127079
>>81127233
memeest doesn't mean having meme made about. it's more like, the whole character is a meme, a joke.

>>81119653
>but it's a valid point - that people like to overpraise a famous name.
that was a bullshit line from the show. Clearly the showrunners are retards when it comes to the characters achievements and backstories.

>>81127465
What has Jamie done in the canon that deserves being branded "the greatest in westeros"?

Nothing. He is a famous tourney knight, like Barristan. Heres a you tho

>>81126420
Kills the sand snakes
Fucks Cercei
Kidnaps Yara
Goes back to the Iron Islands at the end of the season to let Westeros fall to the white walkers.

I expect in season 8 Theon will kill him and save Yara, wrapping up the Greyjoy plot line.

Honestly Euron sounds like the one character who will be entertaining in season seven.

>>81127515
Except Barristan has atleast done some shit to earn his fame. Jamie has done what? He got knighted by Arthur Dayne. Sick. Greatest in the land!

>>81127515
During the war of the five kings we see Jaime repeatedly fight with distinction on the front lines, completely dismantling more average fighters. We also have the appraisal of Brienne, who is skilled in her own right, that he's an exceptional fighter

>>81127161
...anon are you good with children

I don't assume much about folks here but I'm pretty sure none of us are as fit to be around children as Old Nan is

pretty cute for an old lady tho

>>81127286
Oh. Well, definitely Fookin' Legend then, since without the memes he's just a dark souls pvp encounter for Jon Snow

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>>81119655
>promise me, Ned

>>81127706
Jaime was pretty evenly matched with Ned, who wasn't known for his sword skills.

>>81127706
Lots of men fight with distinction in war time. I want to know how he earned this title of "Top 2 in Westeros!"

Why is Cersei such a cool character? I have to give props to D&D for not fucking her character arc up.

>>81117965
I'm the one who posted what you're replying to but you're correct. I was just more pointing out that if we're going by the show, I'm not sure Barristan could've taken all those guys. If we're going by the book, we're talking about the old man who went up against Hizdahr's absolute best bodyguards/pit fighters. Fought multiples and fucking rekt.

On the show though, I don't think it's as bad as I made it out to be while making that point. He did literally kill at least a dozen of those harpies before they overtook him. He definitely held his own against a TON of guys there.

I totally agree with you though. Barristan isn't some god who can fight off 30 people. He can fight multiple guys (a few) for sure, but is basically a 1v1 god. That's what he's known for. That harpy death shouldn't be some mark against him. It just shows the difference in the styles. A bunch of cowards in masks against an honorable knight. He isn't used to that kind of thing at all but is good enough to still stand strong.

I was just pissed they took Selmy out of the show. I was so excited when I first saw his name as a POV. I thought his role on the show was about to expand but they just tossed Tyrion in there. I'm sure the books will put Tyrion there eventually but we really lost out on some father/daughter type stuff with Dany. You know, actually build her character outside of smug face and dragons. Barristan shouldn't have been written out like that. He's great.

>>81127706
Yeah, especially in the books. Brienne says it's absolutely all she can do to hold off a bound man who is completely withered and out of shape. That's how fucking good he is. He gets tired but thinking back on it she says that he basically would've cut her the fuck up had that not happened. She was sure she was going to die in service to Catelyn there. It's much more clear in the books that she's no match for him, even in his weakened state. His lack of cardio just gets the best of him. He was chained to a post for a year.

>>81127775
He wasn't though. He went the honorable route and ended the fight when his soldier stabbed Ned's leg. I thought it was pretty clear Jaime was toying with Ned or at the very least, extremely confident he was about to kill him. Ned was fighting with everything he had, Jaime was defending while sarcastically evaluating Ned's skill and making quips. The soldier who stabbed Ned saved his life.

>>81122100
>bookfags are in denial and claim the show isn't canon and stannis is still alive
OK cocksucker if twow is ever released how is Stannis going to sacrifice Shireen and get killed by the Boltons when shes at the fucking wall.

>>81127993
>can easily beat a woman
>BEST IN WESTEROS GUYS haha

Still waiting for someone to give us an explanation why Jamie gets the title of being one of, or THE best in Westeros when we haven't seen him do jack shit to warrant that level of praise.

>>81127709
>tfw no anzu gf

>>81128045
This is a decent point but it's more reputation. Other knights that are known for being great remark that he's one of the best ever.

The thing is, when we get to the story, I don't think he is. HE certainly thinks he is, but he's past his prime and just doesn't realize it. The young crop of great knights is on the way up and his skill is diminishing even before his capture.

At one point though, I think we hear it from enough credible people to know Jaime is one of the greatest fighters of all time. Even folks who hate him for the king slaying (like Barristan) will remark that his skill is undeniable.

We just get him at a super interesting point in his life. He still thinks he has it, and he does to some extent, but he isn't the best anymore. Most people, including him, aren't aware of that yet. Post capture, he definitely isn't. He starts to realize it though and that's a major part of his arc. Stepping into his leadership role and leaving that behind because that's a young man's game.

>>81122360
Lady Mormont is adorable

>>81127785
Honestly in universe I don't think there's any hard and fast rankings of "Best". There are just some people who have a reputation for being really talented and hard to beat.

>>81127775
I'm just going by the books. If we're going by the show all bets are off, it really runs on what makes for the most compelling scene (in the early seasons) or what will get the most reaction videos on YouTube (later seasons)

>>81127876
As much as I hate how they killed Barristan, I do actually have to give the show props for acknowledging that even badass swordsmen can get killed by large groups, something that they ignored previously.

Contrast the hound's "death" in the book versus the show. In the book he gets drunk and picks a fight with three guys, and ends up stabbed. In the show he kills like five dudes, eats his memechicken, says fuck the king and rides off. Then he dies in his boss battle with Brienne.

>>81128175
She's also literally the tipping point for Jon to have a chance of winning, an impetus for Sansa to be Sansa and the leading cheerer at Jon's final meetup. If she wasn't, /tv/ would be screaming at her for being a stronk womyn.

But of course she is cute, so that is all okay

>>81128139
That's my impression as well. He has a famous name, not only because he's from a premier house, but also because of his tourney wins.

In actual fact though, we don't see anything remarkable besides him being .. essentially .. above average. It's not surprising that he is technically skilled, he won his first tourney when he was 13, and has been doing sword play his whole life. So it's not unreasonable to assume that he is better than most, but this almost religious insistence that he is the "best" is ridiculous when we have real badasses to compare to like some of the Ironborn

>>81128281
>There are just some people who have a reputation for being really talented and hard to beat.

Okay, I'll accept that explanation.

>>81121908
I wish he died in episode 1

>>81127842
I wonder if she even takes the throne in the books, with Aegon at Storm's End and Tommen still alive.

>>81128281
I agree about his death being good. I thought that was cool they showed that even the best knight can be killed by a rabid mob. That was something I hated about The Hound's death too. There in the premiere for season 4 when he owned that whole tavern of guys, I stunned they had him survive that. Then when he met Brienne I couldn't believe they were pulling that shit.

I didn't have a problem with how Selmy died, just that he died. I love that character and I thought the actor was amazing at the role. I was looking forward to seeing him do the best of Barristan and they just completely gave all of that to Tyrion. That whole fish out of water trying to run Meereen is far more interesting than seeing Tyrion do season 2 arc again.

>>81128343
I completely agree. I think at one point he was probably the best of his era (or maybe even ever) at jousting. His sword skill is said to be incredible but this is based on reputation. Some of that is his skill, which I think is probably more than above average just based on what Barristan said, but some of it is also due to most people thinking he was the youngest King's Guard for any reason other than politics. To everyone, he's this unstoppable monster at 16 when in reality the Mad King was just keeping his bastard close to him/robbing Tywin of his heir.

By the time we join the story though, I think guys like The Hound would've wrecked him. I think Theon may have been right about his odds against him in the battle, too. Loras is a better swordsman. So he was great, but is certainly past his prime. He was never a Barristan Selmy or Arthur Dayne from the evidence we have.

>>81128343
You're definitely right that family name plays a part, but we have enough evidence that it isn't the only explanation. The Cleganes weren't a notable family until they earned their reputations as God Tier fighters. Conversely, the Tyrell brothers aren't talked about the same way as Jaime or Barristan. Loras has a reputation as a great jouster for his age, but isn't a notable swordsman. Garland got a bit of fame at the Blackwater and trains against three knights at a time, but isn't known for being GOAT.

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Cast him.

>>81128547
JonCon.

>>81128595
Same here. I think Kevin McKidd is the best possible JonCon but this man is close.

With Nina Gold doing the casting I had hopes for a Kevin McKidd Jon Connington, a Ray Stevenson Victarion, and a James Purefoy Euron.

>>81128542
>Garland got a bit of fame at the Blackwater and trains against three knights at a time, but isn't known for being GOAT.

Didn't know that. That means Garland is probably quite impressive. But we must keep in mind (and this goes for Jamie, and less so for Barristan - but still) that actual fighting and killing is worth far more than tourneys and training, when it comes to practical effectiveness. That's why I think some of the Ironborn would mop the floor with the "great" knights of westeros.

>>81122345
>you fucking faggots would never turn down Aisling Franciosi
Never said I would. I'd give her two wild minutes she'd never forget. That said, there's a difference between "not turning her down" and starting a civil war over you autistic fuck.

Also, Sansa is mostly talked about in terms of the power that can be gotten from marrying her. A match that powerful, who isn't a withered prune, is still a virgin and passably attractive (which Sophie Turner is) would be a massive catch for anyone. Look at some paintings of beautiful European princesses some time. Loads of them are just plain, but so many powerful women are ugly, that plain stands out.

>>81128693
You also have to factor in that people like Barristan, Jaime, and Dayne all benefit from being famous King's Guard. Barristan and Dayne have that white cloak and the great honor to go with it. People need their villains to be powerful too though so you have the evil, unstoppable Kingslayer to counter that.

Dagmer Cleftjaw was probably once just as bad as any of them, but he's only famous on the Iron Island and isn't some King's Guard known throughout the entire realm. Victarion is quite a bad motherfucker too.

>>81128537
>I completely agree. I think at one point he was probably the best of his era (or maybe even ever) at jousting. His sword skill is said to be incredible but this is based on reputation. Some of that is his skill, which I think is probably more than above average just based on what Barristan said, but some of it is also due to most people thinking he was the youngest King's Guard for any reason other than politics. To everyone, he's this unstoppable monster at 16 when in reality the Mad King was just keeping his bastard close to him/robbing Tywin of his heir.
>
>By the time we join the story though, I think guys like The Hound would've wrecked him. I think Theon may have been right about his odds against him in the battle, too. Loras is a better swordsman. So he was great, but is certainly past his prime. He was never a Barristan Selmy or Arthur Dayne from the evidence we have.

Good point. The songs and tales told to create this impression of greatness are devoid of the very real political aspects surrounding some of the characters. So while Arthur Dayne is going to just knight some schmuck, he also isnt going around knighting randoms who perform great feats

>>81128781
>So while Arthur Dayne is going to just

>^not going to just

>>81128693
I get why you write off tournies, but keep in mind that melees are basically real battles with slightly less lethal weapons.

It's still basically pointless to try to tier list anyway. Victarion would mulch Jaime on a boat, Jaime would kill him easily if they were both on horses, and Gregor could probably take either of them on foot. There's too many variables for anything beyond "this guy is particularly scary to fight."

>>81128859
Well then, who is the scariest to fight? Psychologically, probably the mountain. But he's not in renaissance plate, and there are openings somewhere. Oberyn did basically defeat him afterall, and Oberyn is not some crazy Zhao Yun from Dyansty Warriors spearman. What he does have though is real experience in Essos

>>81128537
Reverse Jaime and Loras. Jaime is the one with a reputation as an amazing duelist and a really good jouster, while Loras is a jousting prodigy, but not an overly renowned swordsman (his brother Garlan is notably better with swords).

>>81128969
I think it's probably The Hound. He's scary looking, Jaime said he's as strong as his brother but faster and more technical, he's fucking huge. He's probably the toughest fight.

Hell, you gotta figure, his weakness and fear is fire yet when he had to go against a decent fighter with a flaming sword he just fought through it and fucking killed him.

>>81128989
Yeah that is right. Right after I posted it I remembered Loras showing Tommen how to sit a horse and how even Cersei remarked that he was a GOAT jouster.

>>81128657
Purefoy doesn't really match Euron in my opinion. Eurio memes aside, the guy they recast Daario as would be a good fit for Euron.

New thread >>81129079

Jesus christ what a fucking terrible thread

>>81129236
I've lurked a lot of /got/ threads. This one got off easy by comparison, worst thing that happend was the /lit/erary diversion.

I kinda liked this thread.