Star Wars lightsaber duels

>>81004605

those "specialists" are ultimately still actors, not professional athletes or martial artists.

>>81004625
This.

At least in the prequels and disney films they make an attempt to emulate normal human motor function and reflex. In the OT it's like watching 2 toddlers play fighting.

>>81004625
The guy that played Darth Maul I think he is a stuntman or martial artist. And he did one of the best fights in Star Wars.

>>81004684
I prefer the Ben vs Vader fight in ANH than the Obi-Wan vs Anakin with all of those stupid moves.

Clone Wars has best fights

fight me faggots

>>81004818
post examples.

>>81004791
all of the OT fights look like they're being careful not to hurt each other lmao

the prequel fights are flashy and retarded, but they're much closer to resembling actual sword fighting.

>>81004605
What if there was 80% less twirling? That'd be cool.

Not much different desu

>>81004605
>>81004684
>reenacting video game animations
>normal human motor function and reflex
>half a dozen of chances to kill opponent but they twirl around instead
>mfw they switch lightsabres

>>81005057
>half a dozen of chances to kill opponent but they twirl around instead
that's exactly how it works in the OT you stupid fuck. the whole saga is filled with laughably bad swordplay, but the prequels are objectively more similar to real life because the speed of combat more closely resembles reality.

>>81004862
you don't know nothing about Star Wars, period.

>>81005225
I've rewatched the OT recently and you have no clue what you're talking about.

>the prequels are objectively more similar to real life because the speed of combat more closely resembles reality.
kys underage

>>81005321
>I've rewatched the OT recently and you have no clue what you're talking about.
That's because you don't even have a basic understanding of how sword fighting works.

>>81005428
t. LARPer

I actually liked TFA's lightsaber take.

It seemed more violent than the originals, and less 'dance and flash' than the prequels.
Like every swing was a matter of life or death.

The movie was still shit though.

>>81004835
infinitely superior
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s3x8ox2ToE

>>81005233
Can a post possibly get more autistic than this?

>>81004605
I enjoyed this fight

>adults complaining that a children's movie looks stupid

>>81005605
>presented by Mass Effect Andromeda's animation team

>>81005782
your inside kid is dead, sad!

>>81004835
https://youtu.be/P1H9FjrDBAA

https://youtu.be/aE_CVWMWK74

https://youtu.be/OcXaicGvcvA

https://youtu.be/-7hBZNsPnyg

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>>81004791
So you like a fight with an actor who hated his role that much that he half assed it? Oh lord.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZ8h1WYgGoc

>>81006060
When I watch that scene I feel something, yes the movements are slow and a little stupid sometimes but at least it has suspense, good dialog, etc.

When I see anakin vs obi-wan in episode 3 I just can't stop noticing the stupid movements, and stupid dialog.

Can you explain to me what are they even doing here?
https://youtu.be/k3frK9-OiQ0?t=2m36s

Is that the incredible technique of space wizards to do kicks?

>>81006105
The roflcopters were fucking stupid but Maul owning the Inquisitors and Ahsoka vs Vader was star wars kino

>>81006060
>people unironically think these fights have believable sword play
>it's not even choreographed well

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>>81006235
>feel something
>suspense
>dialog

>>81006235
>Is that the incredible technique of space wizards to do kicks?
Martial artists tend to do kicks, yes.

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>VADER: I've been waiting for you, Obi-Wan. We meet again, at last. The circle is now complete.

>VADER: When I left you, I was but the learner; now I am the master.

>BEN: Only a master of evil, Darth.


If you don't feel nothing when you listen this lines then you don't know nothing about Star Wars at all.

>>81006517
>Martial artists
hahahahahahahaha yeah

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-4a86QxQWE

>we'll never get a meditative star wars that's not entirely focused on the autistic light/dark side shit.

>>81006601
Did you have an autistic seizure or something?

Duel ranking:

>ROTJ
>ESB
>TFA
>Qui-gon and Obi vs Maul
>ANH
>Trash
>All the other prequel fights.

>>81004684
>At least in the prequels

kys for having autism.

>>81006667
>TFA above anything

Kill yourself.

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>>81006667
>TFA

>>81006839

nah son. At least TFA actually felt like a fight instead of some faggots dancing with glowsticks.

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>>81006978
>felt like a fight instead of some faggots dancing with glowsticks
You were saying?

>>81006978
A shitty fight. At least that prequel shit is entertaining. That TFA shit has nothing going for it. The characters are shit and they fight like shit.

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>>81006620

>>81004605
Lightsaber duels are inherently unrealistic.
Even regular sword duels were historically decided in a matter of seconds provided they were armorless and to-the-death, and that's with swords that required actual force.

Laser swords that effortlessly pierce flesh, armor, and clothing, no matter how hard or in what way they contact your opponent? The duel would be over in one move. Logically, since lightsabers don't even have hilts, the first person to slide their saber down the opponent's and into their opponent's hands wins.

They exist purely for visual entertainment. And that's fine, but there's little point in trying to dissect them as serious swordplay.

>>81007079
DUDE WITCHER LMAO

>>81007079
that video doesn't make your point

I think that movement is pretty cool and it have and objective: deceive the opponent

>>81007079
Do lightsabers canonically have mass? Are the blades "heavy"?
It seems logical that they wouldn't, but that would make spinning literally useless, which is sad since they use it so much.
At least if the blades had mass spinning could serve to give the blade more momentum in an attempt to overpower the opponent's block.

>>81007290
Imagine being this autistic. The mental gymnastics OT fags perform is astounding.

>>81007359
that's maybe the best movement of that fight

he posted the best moment of the fight to prove it is bad hahaha

>>81007229
Yeah if normal people wielded them. Jedi has superhuman speed agility and reflexes not to mention limited precognition.

>>81006235
I like how Hayden just gives up halfway through "you brought him her to kill me"

>>81007290
It also leaves him completely open to counterattack.
Finn had nearly a full second after dodging the first swing in which he could have leaned forward and bisected Kylo, while Kylo would be unable to stop it due to not facing his opponent.

>>81007446
>Jedi has superhuman speed agility and reflexes
Then why do they move so slow in the OT?

>>81007290
It does. Ren is twirling around for the majority of the fight, even with Rey. He had plenty of chances to beat Finn even when Finn was on the ground, but he didn't even take a shot.
It's more dancing around with a glowstick than an actual fight.

>>81007313
They don't. Only TFA have heavy blades because they wanted to show off their "amazing" practical effects with their real life glow sticks, which made them heavier.

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>>81007290
>deceive the opponent

>>81007446
Yeah but in that case both combatants have all that. Whatever defensive advantage is gained by one side is canceled out by the offensive advantage gained by the opponent, and vice versa.

A fight between two people with super speed and reflexes should be over at least as fast as, if not faster than, a fight between two normal people.

Where did they get so realistic looking lightsabers?

>>81007404
You're right. It is the best movement of the fight, and it's no better than "pretty good."

>>81007508
>Only TFA have heavy blades
As in the props were heavy, or the blades in-universe are heavy in TFA?

>>81007494
If you don't already know the answer than you are either to young or to stupid to be watching this film series.
>>81007538
Obi-Wan uses a defensive style while Anakin uses an offensive style so it's the whole unstoppable force vs immovable object scenario.

>>81007508
>He had plenty of chances to beat Finn
Oh really captain obvious. Him toying with Finn was the whole point of that fight, and he literally fucked Finn up within one move after he got serious

>They don't
t. autist that has no clue about actual canon
They do have mass in canon

>>81007479
but the whole point of that fight is that Kylo is playing with Finn because he thinks he's not a dangerous opponent

>>81007643
Imagine being this autistic.

>>81007643
>him toying with Finn

Is stupid. Prove me wrong.

>>81007639
>too young to be watching movies designed for children
imagine being this delusional

>>81007643
how can they be so retard?

they don't know that Kylo was playing with Fin xdddd

go rewatch the fight again and then come here to talk about it

>>81007700
They made it stupidly obvious that he isn't being serious. You have to have some major autism going for this to go over your head

>>81007643
No they don't have mass in canon what the fuck?

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>>81007229
This

If laser swords are real, they would function like those gundam beam sabers.
You cross the stream it wouldn't bounce off like physical blade but with the particles scatter all over the place.

>>81007639
Let's say Anakin and Obi-Wan clash lightsabers. That's a common enough thing to do. Anakin, being the offensive one, slides his lightsaber down Obi-Wan's blade and slices through Obi-Wan's wrists in the span of a quarter of a second.

How does Obi-Wan's "defensive style" realistically counter this?

>>81007718
>DAMAGE CONTROL OFF THE CHARTS
The fact you don't know the answer to your retarded question only makes you seem dumber now that you call it a children's series.

>>81007727
>twirling his saber and turning his back to fin when he's on the ground
>serious

sure bud

>>81007729
They do.
>inb4 muh fanfiction EU canon

>>81007728
That doesn't make it less stupid.

>>81007787
Shit bait.

>>81007605
The props.

>>81007643
Make up your mind. Is it toying or REAL fighting that he's doing?

>t. autist that has no clue about actual canon
I was talking about the blades, dummy.
Even Pablo talk about how they fucked it up.

>>81007668
Unless he thought Finn wouldn't even attempt to kill him because of cowardice or whatever, leaving yourself 100% open to attack is not a good idea, even if you are playing with your opponent.

>>81007749
>he's looking for realism in a Star Wars movie

>>81007809
We weren't talking about stupid or not. I just pointed out that he was not fighting serious, very obviously.

>>81007819
He got serious after he took a hit from Finn and fucked him up immediately. Before he was fucking around

>>81007749
You can't actually slide lightsaber blades like that since they stick to each other I can't remember were I remember reading that but you could probably look it up. To be honest it was probably a reaction to fans asking your question for the pass 30 years.

>>81007861
Well it's stupid and there was no reason for him to be that way.

>>81007790
Where in the new Canon does it state that lightsabers now have mass?

>>81007843
I don't care that it's unrealistic. My point though is that there's no real point in attempting to analyze the quality of the swordplay in lightsaber duels because the lightsaber duels themselves are unrealistic and illogical.
They exist for visual spectacle and are not meant to be examples of good blade combat.

>>81007494
Old men neglecting their training and a kid.

>>81007884
He's and autistic manchild, that's all the reason he needs

>>81007917
Rebels

>>81007925
It's canon that Obi-Wan mastered a defensive form of combat and Anakin mastered an offensive form of combat.

>>81007979
I don't see how your post is relevant to the post you're replying to.

>>81006667
>TFA
>Better than anything
>Not the god-tier Revenge of the sith duels

Get out.

>>81007978
>he's an autistic manchild, and that's all the reason he needs

So he's a shitty character.

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>>81007790
omg the autism is too much for me

THE DIRECTOR MAKE THE SCENE TO SHOW THAT KYLO WAS PLAYING WITH FIN BECAUSE SITH TEND TO BE ARROGANT AND OVER CONFIDENT

have you ever watch any star wars movie before?

Lightsaber fight ranking
>RotJ
>ESB
>Rebels, Ben vs Maul

The rest is trash

>>81008004
I'm just saying there's a reason they fought the way they did and you're trying to say it doesn't matter.

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>lightsaber duels

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/entertainment/films/631460/star-wars-gay-romance-who-is-gay-poe-finn-rey-star-wars-gay-character/amp

>>81008014
Do you honestly think the spin was in service of that purpose, though?
Because the fact that spinning is a common facet of lightsaber combat throughout the franchise makes me think it was just a move in a series of moves that they added to fill out the scene.

>>81008009
Still not what we are talkng about.

>>81008014
>stating facts
>autism
If anything your denial is autism

>>81006060
>>81006379
How exactly do you believe a real sword fight went down?
I'm sure there were loads of flips and twirls and dancing around eachother.

>>81006060
He tried spinning. That is Anakin's good trick. Truly Star Wars has the deepest lore

Poe and Finn are gay now, fucking JJ the jew fucking abrahms

>>81007978
No I saw that episode. The dark saber only felt heavy because Sabine wasn't attuned to it at first. Afterwards it was the same as any lightsaber.

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>>81008022
>Rebels Ben vs. Maul

You're not even fucking trying.

>>81008100
They still very much implied they feel heavy and have mass in general

>>81008063
So you agree that he's a shitty character though?

QGJ and Obi Wan vs Darth Maul is the coolest lightsaber fight, the music is amazing, the choreography pretty well done, and even the gay flipping shit of the PT is well orchestrated

Luke vs Vader in ESB is probably my second favourite, simply because it does a good job of showing more naturalistic movement and is fairly well choreographed and filmed.

Kylo Ren vs Finn and Rey is third, TFA has the best lightsaber effects of any of the films, and the fight is the most realistic. The lightsabers mvoements feel weighty and less refined, which matches the theme of a new generation of jedi and sith in training.

>>81004732
The best, actually

>>81008034
What I'm saying is that regardless of the way either side fights, logically speaking lightsaber duels would not last for more than a few seconds purely because of how destructive the weapons are.

The only reason they do last multiple minutes is because audiences like watching them and so directors pad out the fights. In this situation, yes, their fighting styles matter because it determines what choreography they use.

But there's no point in criticizing the quality of the swordplay, as OP is attempting to do, because there is no swordplay. It's just flipping and twirling.

>>81008063
Ok you win Master Autism.

I can handle your autism levels.

ARE WE NOT GOING TO ACKNOWLEDGE THIS????

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/entertainment/films/631460/star-wars-gay-romance-who-is-gay-poe-finn-rey-star-wars-gay-character/amp

FINN AND POE ARE FUCKING FAGS, R.I.P NU-STARWARS

The Old EU will forever be canon in my mind fuck these revisionist Jew faggots. Walt would be rolling in his fucking grave right now.

>>81008141
Depends on where they take him from now on, at least I prefer him having flaws rather than another gary stu

>81008054
>81008201
Fuck off faggarino

>>81008201
Nobody cares about your /pol/ shit dude, just learn to enjoy movies.

>>81006060
Kek

>>81008181
Oh yeah, I really liked all the parts in the Darth Maul fight where they visibly aimed for their opponent's saber instead of their body and swung in such a way that they couldn't possibly hit their opponent. Nice touch to have the opponent dodge anyway, as well.

>>81008201
>EU autists

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>>81007229

>>81007079
That is actually well done

>>81008194
>logically speaking lightsaber duels would not last for more than a few seconds purely because of how destructive the weapons are.

I guess if normal people were fighting with them and not people with a magical force inside their bodies. Besides if they were more "realistic" and didn't last very long they wouldn't be that exciting. George Lucas didn't create a fantasy world limited only by his imagination to have "realistic" sword fights.

>>81008245
Fag

>>81008238
Fag

>>81008252
Better than Nu Jew Wars for fucks sake

>>81008269
Now show a fight to the death rather than first blood, without any armor, and that isn't full of half-swording.

>>81008201
>RIP nu star wars

What are you talking about? With this development, nu star wars is just beginning.

>>81008181
>feel weighty
>light saber
>light
>having any weight

>>81008345
Its dead in my heart anon, it died after 6

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>>81008269
Back in the days of Duke Gino the 1st

>>81008201
well, at least they're not going the predictable route of finn nigging up rey

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Why don't jedi just use the force to swing like 12 lightsabers at their opponent from all directions?

Why don't they just carry blasters that can fire, like, six shots simultaneously? A lightsaber can't be in two places at once, and can only block shots along a single plane, so you're guaranteed a hit if your opponent only has one saber.

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>>81008394
>tfw no kotor 2 series

>>81008376
I'd rather an interracial regular couple than interracial fags for fucks sake

>>81008311
>Besides if they were more "realistic" and didn't last very long they wouldn't be that exciting
That is literally what I'm saying. They are intentionally unrealistic because they are designed to be a visual spectacle.

I feel like you're ignoring my central point and instead keep attacking my supporting arguments as though they are my central point.

>>81008438
I doubt they're going to get sloppy on screen so I don't mind it much.

>>81006235
>When I watch that scene I feel something

its cheesy cartoonish sci-fi for children for fucks sake

>>81005529
Saw it in theaters so my memory is fuzzy, but I remember liking them in TFA too.

>Less dance and flash
I understood this to be indicative of their lack of training. Kylo used the saber because he wants to be a big boy like his idol Vader but his skill set is so low he just tries to hack with it.

Goddamnit this movie could have been so much better.

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>>81008394
For that matter, why aren't droids programmed to fire simultaneously when facing opponents that wield lightsabers? How's a jedi going to block 20 incoming blaster bolts from all directions at the same time?

>>81008394
Dude, why do they needs ships to travel?
Just sit on a carpet and use the force to speed away.

>>81008460
Fag/fag enabler

>>81005464
He is right, though, you stupid lardass.

>>81008361
You're talking about Star Wars, not Nu Star Wars.

>>81008458
Then we agree for the most part. It's not meant to be realistic but that doesn't mean you can't apply some basic rules to it.

>>81008505
cuck

>>81007313
>spinning
>literally useless

how could such a good trick be useless?

>>81007494
Kenobi is old and has been living in a hut in the middle of nowhere for 20 years, Vader is heavy and slow because of his mechanical limbs and luke is a little faggot who learned how to use the force, but not how to fight

>>81007229
You should check out the latest SW Rebels lightsaber fight

Best SW fight possibly ever..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69_xYPQ42Rg

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What if there was a rolling droid that was just a big ball with like a hundred active lightsabers embedded in its surface?

It would deflect all blaster fire and destroy anything it hit. How would that not be the perfect weapon?

>>81004605
>watch youtube video
>WATCH THIS VIDEO NEXT shows up before the video ends
>can't even remove it and see the end without it covering the screen.

what the fuck youtube

>>81008350
you can blame george for that inconsistency, in the original movies he told them they had weight to them, then he changed his mind making the prequels.

>>81008786
The sabers were still pretty heavy in the prequels.
Blame Alec Guiness for being old

>>81004605
Because they aren't being directed by George Lucas in front of a green screen

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>>81006235
>good dialog

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>>81008786
>directed by George Lucas
>green screen

>>81008742
When I first started seeing those I thought they were just annotations but apparently not.
What is even the point of them? The screen fills with like 16 suggested videos the moment the current video ends.

>>81008953
With such lines as "Only a master of evil Darth" I see where he's coming from

Instead of spending all that money on a Death Star, why didn't the empire just blow up planets by accelerating a small ship to light speed and flying it into a planet?

>>81005605

>Savage Oppress

From the writers who brought you Horble Pursin and Bahd Gai.

>>81008786
>changed his mind

This fucking meme again

>>81009090
Most planets have planetary shields that can protect against shit like that. The death star can plow right through it though.

Rewatched the original trilogy and gained some new respect for the lightsaber duels. Actually looks closer to fencing with swords than the wuxia shit in the prequels.

There's no way you can get that close to someone holding a weapon that slices through steel like butter and nobody get fucked up within 5 seconds or less.

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>>81009204
That actually makes sense to me that they'd have those. Asteroid protection and stuff.

Thanks for the info, anon.

>>81009259
Thats because your fatass doesn't have super reflexes or precognitive abilities

>>81009259
Personally I prefer the tenseness of the original trilogy's duels to the energy of the prequels. It feels like the duelists are actually aware and respectful of how much damage their weapons can do.

>>81009309
This

>>81009259
>he wants more realism in Star Wars
>what is the force

>>81009309
If two people with super reflexes fight each other, won't they cancel out and it will just become a normal fight?

>>81009473
It would last longer than a normal fight.

>>81004605
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_ekugPKqFw

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>>81009449
>this is a work of fiction
>therefore realism is not good or necessary in any capacity

>>81009508
Why would it?

>>81009259
That's why there's the force.

>>81009309
This.

>>81009473
No. It becomes more like a game of chess.

A fight between two average Joes will end fast. A fight between two Jiu Jitsu masters can last dozens of minutes.

Why would you ever spin around and show your back during the middle of a life or death sword fight? Seems like the stupidest thing ever. There's a reason they never do it in fencing.

But even the idiots in OP's post do that shit.

>>81009513
>less realism= zero realism
>lightsabers, fictional, impossible weapons, should be realistic

Retard


>>81009525
Because they have better reflexes.

>>81006060
He's using Anakin's own powers against him, what an absolute madman.

>>81009563
Yeah but that's mostly because of the mechanical skills they have. Jiu Jitsu masters know, on a functional level, how to do things like block and redirect hits, while average Joe doesn't.

But would a fight between two Jiu Jitsu masters necessarily be shorter than a fight between two Jiu Jitsu masters with the same mechanical skillsets, but improved reflexes? I don't think so.

In fact it would probably be the same fight, just executed faster since the latter pair would be moving and reacting faster.

>>81009599
Why would having better reflexes cause fights to last longer?

>>81009671
Because you have autism

>>81009599
Not-real things can be made realistic.
The fact that lightsabers are fictional impossible weapons doesn't mean that it wouldn't still be dumb if they were powered by jellybeans. Just like it doesn't mean that it's not dumb for lightsaber combat to involve so much flipping and spinning.

>>81009146
how is it a meme?

mark hamill has been quoted saying him and the vader stunt guy wanted to do some more elaborate stuff and lucas said no they can't, the sabers were so heavy luke should struggle to even hold it one handed.

then in the prequels they throw them around like they're nothing.

are you saying he didn't change his mind, he just forgot because he's that stupid and inconsistent?

>>81009742
>he just forgot because he's that stupid and inconsistent?
Not that guy, but that sounds plausible to me.

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>>81009723
>food analogy

>>81009765
I wonder how you would have responded had I chosen some other random object that you couldn't target as a reason to avoid having an actual argument.

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>>81009763
>hating on Lucas
Nice work goyim. Here is your promised cheese

>>81006284
Maul owning Inquisitors was good, Blind Kanan pushing Maul from the side was retarded.

>>81006105
which episode is this so I can know to skip it? I hope this is the only one with fucking helicopter sabers

>>81009742
I don't think he changed his mind. There were a lot of things changed throughout the years because he wanted it that way from the start but couldn't due to the technology.
Lucas did also state that he intentionally wanted the fighting style to be completely different from the OT because of the era.

>>81004605
this is supposed to be a prank, right?

there's no way they let some guys LARP in the middle of a championship game?

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>>81009921
>I don't think he changed his mind he just decided he wanted everythign to be different

>>81008602
>>81008602
I like it because of the dialogue and suspense but it was too short. A few movements more and using the force and then a finish like that would have been better.

>>81010030
I like less is more in this case.

also why is darth maul there didn't he die in the prequels, has disney retconned them or something?

>>81009742
Lucas literally said the prequel jedi are in their prime, not old men who neglect their training and a kid who learned from one of those old men.

>>81010100
He got chopped in half and fell down some kind of maintenance shaft.

Apparently he survived that and got robot legs.

>>81010145
Did Yoda neglect his training by the time of the OT?

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>>81010020
Nice comprehension skills, anon.
Go watch some interviews from the 70s and 80s before you go posting reaction pics.

>>81010178
He was 900 years old so I doubt just 20 years of not dueling affected him that much

>>81010178
Clearly. The most you see him do is lift an x-wing and say wise things, then he dies.

>>81004605
And here's how it sounded with the REAL audio:

>*clik clack, clik clik CLAKK...clik clik*


>"EH! EHH! EH EH EHHH! UGGFF! NYEEH!"


>nerd-written fight dialog that sounds like "The DARK SIDE will NOT AVAIL YOU, SITH of DARKNESS!!!!!!"

>>81010249
upvoted

>>81006547
The only thing I feel is that Darth is his first name rather than a title due to the context

>>81010322
You can refer to someone by their title like that.
Like saying "General" instead of "General Lastname."

I agree it sounds weird but it's not technically incorrect.

https://youtu.be/IxhSD_n3J6c?t=3m29s

>>81010447
I fucking hate bioware for making this MMO shit.

>>81010447
pure kino

>>81007079
In the time that he spun he could've just stabbed the Ren in the side, plus with the momentum of the spin he would just cut himself in half.

ESB Vader Vs Luke, RotJ Vader vs Luke and Rebels Ben vs Maul are the only worthwhile duels

>>81004732
>best fights
>no emotion or story conveyed in the fight, just raw meaningless twirling
>fight has to literally stop for a minute so a plot point can happen
>continues with meaningless twirling

Jesus Christ how does anyone think this is good?

>>81008269
Wow I thought they only had black and white cameras in medieval times. This must of been one of the first colour recordings, right? Makes sense it would be for a combat manual where details were so important. Cool bit of history, should get posted more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPPj6viIBmU

How it is possible than some fans can do a better fight than the entire group of specialists in a movie?

>slashing at thin air
>aiming to hit the opponent's sword

I know it makes for flashier fights and I understand why they did it but the OT fights were much better

>>81012475
>slashing at thin air
>aiming to hit the opponent's sword
They did both of those things in the OT too you feloniously stupid cunt.

>>81004625
fpbp

>>81012558
>getting this mad over fictional laser sword fights

>>81010447
goddamn

Why do so many people on this board valiantly defend the prequels? I can't tell if it's ironic or not.

>>81013468
some of it is ironic, some isn't. the point is that prequel hate has been an internet meme from the start. those movies are pretty weird but they're nowhere as bad as people like to pretend they are for nerd cred.

>>81008069
I'm sure they acted like a bunch of retards like in ANH

>>81013468
I'm not defending them as movies. The swordplay is just choreographed better, and even slightly more realistic. It's just a fact.

No amount of denial will save the sloppy, bumblefuck lightsaber duels in the OT.

>>81013741
pretty much this. I heard it phrased one way as, "I didn't know I should hate them as much as I do until the internet told me to."

a lot of people walked out of theaters thinking they were kind of disappointing, but the hate didn't start until people on the internet tore them apart.

>>81013468
It's not that they're defending them. They're just pointing out the hypocrisy coming from the haters. You see people complaining about spinning in the prequels, yet it happens just as much in any other Star Wars related media.
If you're going to trash one and praise the other, then at least get your facts right.

>>81004605
as usual the nerd interpretation is to pretend a movie is real life and then complain that it doesn't fit.

the point of the scene is not to simulate what real lightsaber combat would be like if lightsabers were real, that's retarded. it's an abstract visual spectacle and the bit from the .gif is part of a fun sequence where the characters are represented as being evenly matched: first they twirl the swords as a sort of abstract "charging up" move, then they clash the swords together but neither budges, then they do the same but with their force powers and finally they're thrown with the same force but in opposite directions. the point is the symmetry of their actions. i swear to god if you retards wander into an opera by accident you're going to get so triggered over things like this.

the sad part is that millions of literal kids were thrilled by this sequence without needing to have any of this explained to them. meanwhile you fags have worked yourself into a state of visual illiteracy where you can no longer enjoy basic shit like this.

>>81012215
>a re-enactment of a sword fight is inaccurate because it is a re-enactment
>the manuals it derives from are inaccurate because...?

wow

>>81014865
>it's supposed to look stupid!

Just fuck off

>>81014488
honestly i doubt most of the people reposing tired memes about episode 1 are actually old enough to have seen it when it came out and have a real opinion beyond "the horn man was scary". younger people simply inherited prequel hate as the default gateway into nerd legitimacy. "when left the theater i was screaming with rage!" nah, your mouth was actually blocked with a jar-jar shaped lollipop.

>>81015137
it's legitimately fucking thrilling. shame you can't enjoy things since the head trauma.

>>81015137
Looks cooler than anything anyone did with a lightsaber in the ot

>>81015173
I have really fond memories of Phantom Menace because of all the awesome marketing stuff there was for it. Being at the age to appreciate Taco Bell toys and all that other shit was great.

Honestly, Clone Wars is the only one of the three I'd say is legitimately bad. 1 and 3 are pretty weak but can still be watched without much pain.

>>81015382
You mean Attack of the Clones? The Clone Wars tv show was great imo

>>81015745
The autism is strong with this one.

>>81015828
>lmao he actually knows the names of the movies he's talking about what an autist

>>81015828
He's not wrong. How the hell did the guy manage to mix up Clone Wars with Attack of the Clones? If you can't even get a simple two word title right then your opinion isn't going to be worth much.

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>>81015382
i assume you mean attack of the clones, in which case i'd recommend watching it muted. attack of the clones is legit the best looking star wars movie ever. stop caring about the plot and look at how fucking good this looks.

>>81009056
That was a pretty sick burn though

>>81016378
>>81016422

He legitimately couldn't tell from context whether the guy was talking about the second movie or not. That is autistic as hell. My condolences for your illnesses.

>>81016575
>what is a rhetorical question

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this is easily the best duel out of any star wars media including the films.

>>81016575
Maybe because he name the tv show, dummy.

>>81016675
Something that wasn't in that post.

>>81016727
>using a rhetorical question to segue to another topic

Do you know how language works?

>>81016805
>You mean Attack of the Clones, right? Surely you're not talking about the tv show because the tv show is great.

If you can't see that that is what he was saying then you are retarded. If he was simply trying to segue into a new topic he wouldn't have stopped so abruptly.

>>81016676
That's actually pretty fucking slick.

>>81016676
Exactly, I'm the anon who posted the video earlier and couldn't agree more. The dialogue, the tension, the quickdraw western nature of the fight. Rebels as a whole show is pretty terrible, but they throw in some fantastic scenes like this from time to time.

>>81008107
It's a homage to samurai movies and is executed perfectly
don't see a problem with it

>>81017184
Imagine a samurai movie paying homage to star wars with an over the top sword fight.

It's simply out of place.

>>81004605
Lightsabers exist to satisfy the rule of cool. Sure, this fight would be stupid in real life with real swords but in a movie it's awesome.

Lightsaber duels are also reliant on the Force, which does not really exist. If I remember correctly, the Force "told" the combatants what their opponents next move would be and they move to block it. It's like heightened instinct. In real life a lightsaber duel would be over in one move, but in world with the force it would not.

But if that's the case then why are non-force sensitives like Pre Vizsla or Finn able to duel force sensitives and not be immediately killed? Grevious had a computer for a brain so he doesn't count.

>>81004605
if you think this is good and the movies are bad, you're a big hypocrite. If you think they're both bad then why even mention it

why don't they just use a shotgun

>>81016998
>Rebels as a whole show is pretty terrible
I've only seen seasons 1 and 2, but this is my two cents. Any episode of rebels that is not based around Jedi stuff and is a self-contained episode is boring. The first four episodes of season 1, any self-contained episode really. But the finales never disappoint.

The characters on their own mostly aren't strong enough to really carry an episode, which is disappointing.

>>81017723
>But if that's the case then why are non-force sensitives like Pre Vizsla or Finn

This shit will never not be retarded. You can give some wiggle room to Vizsla if you were to say he is somewhat force sensitive and bred and raised to be a perfect warrior, but he should get mowed down in seconds by someone with true command of the force.

I would assume we will find out that Finn is highly force sensitive, considering that's what happened to everyone important in the pre-disney universe. But he and Rey both still should have gotten destroyed by someone that is also highly force sensitive and has actually had some god damn training. The whole 'oh but Ren is in pain' shit is utterly nonsensical.

>>81017262
I don't remember any samurai movies that were based off of star wars

>>81004862

Sequel Triology saber fights are the most realistic

>>81018079
I didn't realize samurai had supernatural reflexes and could channel the force to literally automatically parry shit without thinking.

>>81007827
Tell that to Anderson Silva desu
Just cause its stupid doesnt mean ppl dont have egos

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>>81016676
Would have been better if Ezra hadn't been in it, and had instead been either Maul/Kenobi centric as they slowly meet each other, but it was still fantastic.

The sheer poetry packed into a few minutes was utterly staggering, as was the fact that it was all done so effectively.

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>>81018050
Season 3 was sort of a let down.

the animation was better and Thrawn was amazing. but the story was pretty lackluster and the season finale doesn't come close to season 2's finale.

>>81005823
Savage

>>81004605
>Dude twirling lmao
How is this better than the movies?

>>81018749
I found that most of the issues stem from Sabine in some way.
Her issues seemed to crop up and get resolved near instantly, and it really doesn't help that they had to invent character flaws because the previous seasons didn't really give her any.

>>81018749
The average quality of the episodes went up but it never had that one or two incredible episodes like the season 1 finale with the Vader and Ahsoka reveal or the season 2 yoda episode or finale.

Still feels more like real Star Wars than the sequel movies though, I'm actually looking forward to the season 4 trailer at Celebration more than the TLJ trailer.

>neckbeards pretending they know anything about fighting

this is my favorite meme on this faggot website

>>81007133
If you think theres anything redeeming about the pleb-quels, you have autism.

If you're entertained by the "fights", its a sure sign that you're on the spectrum.

>>81019227
>t. someone that knows nothing about fighting

*tips katana*

>>81019096
S1 had the advantage of being Basically Kanan focused, with Ezra as more a viewer vehicle.
We saw him grow with each Inquisitor encounter, as shown by him giving a better showing in their fights until he finally won, and as a Jedi by training Ezra. When the finale came, that paid off.

S2 displayed throughout that it's not as easy as killing one guy, had Ezra's dark side struggle, managed to save Zeb as a character, and had Ahsoka meet Vader

S3 had a promising start, but fucked up by pressing the reset button on everything that mattered, and focused on Sabine despite her being easily the worst character.
The only thing they managed to do right was getting across the theme of moving on from the past, and even that was only done well in Kanan, Rex and Maul's episodes.
It also suffered from focusing on the Ghost crew too much, since we didn't get to see why Thrawn is a worthy adversary until very late. It would have been good if him letting them escape had been interspersed with him outmaneuvering other rebels.

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>>81019494
>tfw he gets added into episode III but only so he can job to Obi-Wan

>>81019494
Why couldn't Grievous use the force, again?
I though he had midichlorian blood pumped into him at some point.

>>81020052
Midichlorians are indicator of force sensitivity, not cause of it. Grievous was not force sensitive. He fought against OP nerf pls Jedi by his own skill and "little" mechanical enchantments.

>>81020014
It's the other way around

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>>81019494

I will say that one good thing about the prequels was that there was more movement to the lightsaber fights.

>>81019494
that cartoon was fucking kino

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>>81020494

Why aren't slugthrowers more common? Physical projectiles seem like the best counter to jedi since even if they do move to block it, they just get sprayed with molten metal as it continues past the saber.

>darth vader
>dark invader
>like a BBC

what did lucas mean by this

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>>81006547
>VADER: When I left you, I was a Knight with a seat on the council, but that's close enough to a learner I suppose. I'm an apprentice to someone else now, so that makes me a master for some reason.
>BEN: Is Darth your first name now? I'm not certain.

>>81020827
>We don't like Anakin and he doesn't deserve to be on the council OR to have the rank of Master
>BUT Papa Sheev said he wanted him there so we put him on anyways

What the fuck did they mean by this.

>>81019390
I agree. If I had to sum up season 3 in one word it would be "disappointing." Which is frustrating because I feel like it had the most potential so far.

>>81020827
He is a Sith Lord. There are only two of them and are supposed to be the equivalent of the entire Jedi Order. The makes him better than a Jedi Master even if he is the apprentice.

>>81021053
>We don't want to make Anakin master yet because he is emotionally vulnerable.
>The Chancellor trusts him and wants him on the Council.
>Let's give him a seat to assuage Palpatine and at the same time use Skywalker as a spy.

Pretty clear to me.

Didn't work though because Anakin was a loyalty guy.

>>81021117
a sith LORD?

>>81004791
>Two Jedi at their peak, with intimate knowledge of dueling forms, playing a game of chess, parrying and baiting, waiting for the other guy to make a mistake so they can end the battle in a single stroke.

vs

>Feeble old man and a cyborg whose suit is literally designed to cause him pain, both out of practice, and both probably using the Force, an invisible augmentation to their physical fight.

Both are okay but I know which one I want to watch the most.

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>>81021326
>>Two Jedi at their peak, with intimate knowledge of dueling forms, playing a game of chess, parrying and baiting, waiting for the other guy to make a mistake so they can end the battle in a single stroke.

If you wanted the image, you could have just asked

>>81021462
Ani? Little Ani?

>>81021053
The Jedi Order was trying to play politics. The council desired political power and influence more than to do the will of the force. Sheev controls the government so rather than oppose him and the government and risk losing their influence they appease him by putting Anakin on the council.
>>81020827
Obi Wan won 19 years previously because, despite being more powerful, Anakin's knowledge of the force and control of his own emotions was inferior to Obi Wan's. Now though, Vader's knowledge is superior to Obi Wan's. The (former) student has surpassed the (former) master. Obi Wan knew he had zero chance of winning so his goal in that duel was to buy enough time for Luke to escape.

>>81004605
>Opening with a fucking jump
How is this any better?

>>81021749
>Obi Wan knew he had zero chance of winning so his goal in that duel was to buy enough time for Luke to escape.
You might want to rewatch that.
Obi-Wan knew that he couldn't kill Vader in time, so he made sure to die on his own terms.
The key part of that scene is Vader treading on his robe; In doing so, he revealed that he's still just as ignorant about the force as he was all those years before, and that Obi-Wan was still the better Jedi.

>>81004605
both looks pretty shit

>>81006060
he's just fucking with vader
>HAHA LOOK I CAN SPIN, can you spin anakin, no you cant you fucking cripple

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>>81019494
>>81020633
is there anything Genndy cant do right

>>81005605
>>81006053
>not even the best Clone Wars cartoon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VB_vjVxcic

>Luke vs Vader RotJ>Finn/Rey vs Ren>Luke vs Vader ESB>Sheev vs Windu>>Anakin/Obi-Wan vs Dooku RotS>SObi-Wan vs Vader>Obi-Wan vs Anakin>Sheev vs Yoda>>>>>The rest>>>Obi-Wan vs Grevious