the new DC movie looks pretty good

>Wayne?

Ok

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>>80987560
Lets do this

>27%

>>80987560
>Mr Batman, I'm Sea I Ayy.

>>80987560
Huh. Aquaman's armor looks surprisingly good. The only good costume in the movie it seems.

>>80987591
>>80987591
>0 OSCARS AFTER 10 YEARS

LMAO
MAO
AO
O

>>80987560
Jesus Christ.

>>80987642
>The Dark Knight got pity votes from the Academy because someone died
>Th-that still counts, r-right?

>>80987693
>And marvel STILL didn't get any
LMAOOOOOOOOOO

>>80987723
How many Razzies have you got?

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>>80987560
>confirmed Batfleck and Aquaman bromance

Poor Supes.

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>>80987560
>show pile of steaming shit

>HEHE IT LOOKS GOOD

>>80987765
I don't have any because I don't work at WB/DC bud lmaoooo

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>>80987768
Oh my God, it looks so bad.

>>80987806
So you're shilling for them for free?

>>80987858
I just like to see people like you sperg out about brand wars you have no actual stake in

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>>80987591

>>80987588
Fucking nice.

>>80987925
No-one mentioned brand wars until you showed up.

>>80987642
>14 - 0.

>me ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~MY SIDES

But enough pointless console war, bullshit. Yes, OP, the trailer has me more hype than anything I've seen in a while.

>>80987934
>trump bullied his way in
>ignored HRC's bullying of Burnie to get the DNC nomination

i swear liberals and their selective realities

>>80988061
Yeah, Evans has nothing at all to do with anything brand war related. At all. Ever.

What's it like in the Orwell-verse?

everyone in this thread should fucking kill themselves

>>80988446
You first.

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>>80987560
Aquaman?

>>80987826
it doesn't look any different than the usual Hollywood cgi fest.

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>>80988198
Yeah, it doesn't. It's just a gif of him laughing. I'm sorry you get triggered every time someone makes fun of your precious movies.

>why does he wear the bat?

>>80987560
4u

>>80987934
>uaaahhh drumpf a bully
>im devastated :''''(

CAPTAIN MURICA EVERYONE

there is nothing about this movie that looks good

>>80988599
>If i took that utility belt off would you die?

>>80988573
>gif
>it's actually a jpg

>evans
>not part of MCU

>>80987934
He's not wrong and Trump has been an unmitigated disaster so far.

>>80988567
Which is exactly the problem. It's an ugly Hollywood CGI fest where the only real thing, the little bits of face flesh not hidden behind a mask, awkwardly float in a churning mess of digital garbage.

DC movies seem to go balls deep with it.
Marvel has the good sense to use it sparingly, but they still go half way up the shaft sometimes (RDJ's head shifting unnaturally still creeps me out.)

>>80987934
>My opinion is more valid because I am famous
Wanna know why trump won? Right here, ladies and gentlemen.

>>80988659
You know that Ezra Miller's real name is nothing, right?

>>80988720
How so? Unemployment is down, illegal immigration is down, DOW is up, job creation is up, gets fat feminists to get up and exercise... Seems he's accomplished more in two months than Obama did in eight years.

>>80987723
>bragging about a hair and make-up award for suicide squad

How much more desperate can DCucks get?

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>>80987560

This.

https://youtu.be/3cxixDgHUYw?t=106

This right here is the moment when Zack won.

Look at it. It's a man facing off against a force of nature. And. Winning. It's got more visceral impact and awe-inducing mythic power than the entire MCU has managed to muster in more than a baker's dozen worth of films.

Zack won. And he did it with fucking Aquaman.

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>>80988808
Because he says things that offend my delicate sensibilities. I am literally incapable of seeing anything good in someone thats a big meanie

>>80988808
>>80988720
Stop this shit RIGHT NOW.

>>>/pol/

>>80988868
>dcfags still think imagery trumps plot and characterization

Plebs.

>>80987560
The DCEU's been pretty good

>>80988930
>visuals mean nothing in film

Go read a book, faggot.

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>>80988868
>Zack won
>Zack won

Keep telling yourself that and it might come true.

>>80988567
Yes it does, it looks exceptionally bad.

>>80988992
visuals only mean something when they're in service to something, not when they're just for their own sake, and definitely not when they're in service to a completely different narrative than the script and director's intent.

>>80988930
good thing BvS and MoS had all three

MCucks should fuck off to their own thread and talk about how excited everyone is for Guardians of the Redditry.

L.O.L.

>>80988992
>visuals mean nothing in film

No one said that though did they, you fucking mongoloid.

>>80989114
Just because you're too fucking stupid to follow the narrative doesn't mean we all are.

There are people in this board, hell probably shortly to be in this thread who have been telling you what these movies are about since virtually their day of release, and updating as they figured more things out.

Just keep burying your head in the sand and calling it headcanon. It'll make a lot more sense to you once your balls drop.

>>80989230
Just because something has a story and symbllism doesn't make it good retard

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>>80989014
>amount of golden men on shelf = 0
>amount of Jew trophies = 0

>>>14 movies
>>amount of shiny miniature chad =
>Z
>E
>R
>O

>>Z E R O OOOO

>decade of movies

>amount of humanoid looking britannia metal, plated in copper, nickel silver, and finally, 24-karat gold

>>ZZZZZ EEEE RRRRRR OOOOOO

ok

>>80987588

fpbp

>>80989230
Everything in the DC cinematic universe has absolutely sucked balls so far. It's not a good story you cancerous fag.

>>80989301
Just stick to shit that's more your speed. It's no skin off my back if you don't understand or like it.

I'll never understand why you're so immature or autistic(or paid) to get sand this far up your twat over people liking things you don't.

I don't like mayonnaise. I don't make it a point to go on the fucking warpath against everyone with a jar of fucking Hellman's in their fridge.

Then again, I'm not a dickhead. That might be the determining factor here.

>>80989553
Nice reddit spacing brah

>>80989580
Nice deflection, dickhead.

>>80989230
You mean there are people acting like their headcanon was intended and obvious to anyone other than themselves even after they performed extensive mental gymnastics to generate it in the first place

>>80988930
MCUcks value plot and likable characters over narrative and themes in a visual medium.

>>80988930
>>80989718
>marketers force a brand war because that's easier than defending the DCEU

>>80987934
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH TONY HELP! HE WON AN ELECTION

many such cases of MCucks acting out, VERY embarassing.

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>>80988825

>>80989683
You have my permission to have the last word. Ignore it all, no matter how much sense it makes, how many predictions are still proving on the money, and how fucking stupid denying that makes you look.

Knock yourself the fuck out.

>>80988930
>plot

how to find the plebbit video gamer

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>>80989756
Yep. It's all the WB marketers, amirite?

>>80989822
>no matter how much sense it makes

We've got people trying to say superman clearly represents islam.

>>80989876
I mean they aren't wrong.

>>80989876
I'm not seeing anything that indicates an attempt to force a brand war there.

>>80987560

Wait what? Is that the same submarine from Lost?

>>80989913
And they're not wrong, dumbass. The allegory's about the West never being able to defeat another culture's radicalized religion.

Notice how when the military hits Doomsday, he keeps getting stronger? Notice how it took kryptonite and a Kryptonian to do the deed? If your head weren't so far up your ass, you'd have already seen it.

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>>80989136
>good thing BvS and MoS had all three

>>80989230
You do realise that Snyder's job is to communicate to the audience what they need to know, right? If you need some plebs on /tv/ with their fucking infographics to explain what's going on then you've failed as a director.

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>>80987768
pretty corny but that wont stop me from enjoying it then laughing along with red letter media like i didnt enjoy it.

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>>80987934
lmao fuck this faggot

>>80990129
The only directors that gush about the meaning of their own films are catering to plebs in the first place.

>>80987560
you mean it looks pretty blue
every shot is blue

>>80987934
Don't go to the next one if it matters that much.

>>80988825
>bragging about le rottentomaata rating
>bragging about a prestigious award given to capeshit after 3 movies

Objectively not impressive either way but the latter is much better.

Actually....its miles better.

>>80990013
>being this delusional

>>80990013
>superman
>literally America: the superhero
>represents islam
>not wrong

...

>>80990193
snyder gushed pretty hard about what suckerpunch was supposed to mean.

Now he just keeps his stupid mouth shut.

>>80987560
What stupid armor.
If he hangs out underwater, why does he have fucking long hair? What idiot thought that one up? He should keep himself shaved bald.

And why obviously rubber? That's not much armor. If they want scales, go through the effort to make scales. Let's just paint Testors gold on rubber.

Is that even armor? Wtf kind of outfit is that? Should have stuck with classic orange and green. This is just an embarrassment. I wish all of humanity had never been born.

>>80990013
We're all praying you get the help you need.

>>80990390
Peter David and his artist thought the long hair up about twenty years ago along with a more armored appearance.

In their award-winning run on Aquaman's title.

>>80990245
Yeah, I'm sure Marvel would much rather have an Oscar for hair and make-up than widespread acclaim from critics and audiences. DC has them on the run.

>>80990508
>>80990268
>>80990307

And I'm praying that some day you'll have a brain between the three of you.

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>>80990390
they're cribbing this design pretty hard, is all.

Basically all of snyder's shit has been built around 90s DC. When it was going through a very awkward period that is basically summarized as "superman has guns now."

>>80990511
>twenty years ago
>sadtimetravelingfrog.jpg

>the armor is CGI

>THE
>ARMOR
>IS
>CGI

this is pure madness

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>>80990586
>anyone who doesn't see my headcanon is stupid

>>80990663
I know that feel. I do *not* miss that era of comics, though, especially on Marvel's side of the fence, They went full-on Edge: The Comics Company there for a long while.

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>>80990764
Watch this, asshole.

The Kryptonian Codex is going to feature in the plans of the New Gods, They'll seek control of it because it will be a way to mass-produce superior Kryptonian shock troops to replace the parademons. They'll have someone either possessing Superman or impersonating him and he'll have to fight to re-establish his identity,

Why? Because they represent the Wahhabist movement within Islam, which radiates outward from the oil-rich countries of the Middle East.

Here's Lex, the allegorical stand-in for the West's military-industrial complex making his deal with that particular "devil."

https://youtu.be/s-MUzvASr8s

Standing waist-deep in a substance that looks pretty much exactly like crude oil.

Remember your science, kiddies? What happens when a hypothesis proves predictive?

>>80991152
looks like blood/afterbirth that spilled out after the cave troll was born to me dude. and since the big cry of the iraqi wars was "no blood for oil," I've just countered your headcanon.

and to interprete lex as satan, you'd have to ignore the fact lex was talking to literally satan before police roll in.

>>80991152
its a really, really sad thing when its clear the only media a person has consumed is adam curtis documentaries and capeship

>>80991152
your great, I haven't encountered this level of paranoid autism in ages, pls continue

>>80991387
don't scare him off. when he realizes people are just laughing at him he'll stop posting for months.

the bvs threads have been so shitty without him

>>80987560
It looks amazing. Fucking can't wait. Was a bit dubious about BvS. It was a'ight but it kinda blew. Excited about this movie though.

>>80987934
he's not wrong, though

>>80991415
>>80991387
I think he's right though. it's assholes like yourself, that are the real issue here.

>>80991152
why would dareksid need the codex when its clear you can just clone dead kryptonians and mix some shitty human DNA in and get doomsdays?

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>>80991359
I don't even know who Adam Curtis is.

>>80991312
You really can't into symbolism, can you?

>>80991387
>>80991415

Just for you assholes:
The Codex is representative of the Kryptonian religion, which in their case is basically science worship. They worship, for all intents and purposes, evolution.

Here's a picture of the Codex.

>>80991695
In keeping with the cinematic universe stylings, I hope the Kryptonian codex is stored in an ancient, holy box like the Arc of the Covenant, but shaped like a giant rubber dildo.

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>>80991578
Welcome to the party, pal. Get ready to get called samefag.

>>80991695
Here's Lucy, the so-called "missing link." Notice anywhere in particular the Codex might fit into that jig-saw?

It represents the point in history where "evolution won." It's a subtle message, but it's essentially saying be careful what you make sacred, because anything can become a sacred cow, anything can become a religion, anything can become your "god."

>>80991839
Now that's something that should be ripping up children in the next Night at the Museum.

>>80991839
The Codex is the heart of Krypton's genetics program and population control. The word "codex" itself means a bound text, basically a bound manuscript, but it usually carries some religious connotations.

So the Kryptonian "book" contains the past of their people(their full genetics back to the time of that primitive ancestor, their "genealogy," so to speak), the future generations of Kryptonians(their "prophecy"), as well as dictating their role within their society(basically a genetically enforced caste system) as well as being the source of their population control.

In other words, it's pretty much all the things from the East that the West considers "alien," up to and including India's caste system and China's population control.

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>>80987934
Sometimes I hate Hollywood.
I can't have any other opinion unless it's "FUCK DRUMPF

>>80992055
>The word "codex" itself means a bound text, basically a bound manuscript
A codex (from the Latin caudex for "trunk of a tree" or block of wood, book; plural codices)

>>80987560
Wayne, I'm semen.

>>80987560
I fucking pray that this will finally be the DC film that'll actually be good. I want >toxic masculinity fags to be btfo so bad.

>>80992055
Zod seeks to seize control of the Codex in Man of Steel's opening scenes. He not only wants to possess it, he wants to "weed out the degenerate bloodlines," which in one way is just good, solid Space Nazi talk, but in another way, it's him seeking to control the "book" and cherry-pick out of it what's considered "canon" and what isn't.

Sort of like fundamentalists the world over.

That's why he's got such a hard-on for finding it. For him, the Kryptonian race doesn't continue without it.

>>80992134
Definition of codex
plural codicesplay \ˈkō-də-ˌsēz, ˈkä-\
: a manuscript book especially of Scripture, classics, or ancient annals

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/codex

>>80991839
>>80992055
>>80992204
I think DarkSeid has a way of making Kryptonians permanantly strong, probably not as powerful as they are with a yellow sun, but pretty much up there. I think they're going to sell the idea that superman came back stronger than he was before, like how doomsday comes back stronger, I think superman is going to come back stronger because of the codex inside of him.

>>80988756
>Marvel
>Using CGI sparingly
Are you out of your fucking mind?

>>80992329
I do ,too. I think he'll be shrugging off nukes from here on out.

>>80988720
kys

>>80991695
>only the symbolism I interpret is valid

... you're just making it worse dude

>>80992367
They're going to dial his power up, bit, by bit by bit.

>>80992329
oh so all the DBZ callbacks weren't accidental, they're literally making it DBZ.

>>80988808
>trump supporters are actually this stupid
I'm glad I don't live in your shit country

>>80987560
it honestly does look better just on a superficial level than BvS and MoS.

and to be honest, Snyder might be a shit filmmaker, but he does capture capeshit action very well.

>>80992204
When Zod finds out that Jor-El and Lara have conceived a natural child, he doesn't accuse them of a crime against the state or even just of being degenerates. No, he goes a step further and accuses them of heresy.

If nothing else tells you what the program represents to Kryptonians, that should,

When he finds Kal, but before he yet knows that the Codex is within him, Zod shows him a vision of Krypton being rebuilt. In the vision, he shows him the bones of humanity and the planet changing. This horrifies Kal, obviously, but there's no horror in that for a fanatic like Zod, only the glorious rebirth of his culture and people. When Kal asks him why he would do this, he reveals something telling when he says, "A foundation has to be built on something."

That "something" is us. To resurrect his people, he's going to repurpose Earth's biomass to the task.To him, we're not just living in squalor, we're part of it.

>>80992514
What the fuck would you know. i love it when you kids call the man of steel dbz. it only shows how little you know about the material. DBZ got its god level battles from superman, you idiotic simpleton.

You're not a fan, so your feelings matters not.


I've been a fan since the early eighties, so I may know a thing or two. I remember when they released Akira in Florida, that would have been, 89 I think. Good shit, that. You probably was still a glitter in your daddy's eye.

>>80992748
thats nice

what makes you think any of that isn't obvious though?

>>80992794
>DBZ got its god level battles from superman

the concept of saiyans, aliens that get stronger every time they almost die, predates doomsday by about a decade, dog.

>>80992832
Oh, I don't know, maybe it;a all the idiots constantly saying, "lol why don't they just fuck Faora on Mars or some shit?"

Maybe that's just me, though.

>>80992748
the problem is the entire franchise so far has never established (or even called back to) why zod thinks having a natural child with perfectly functional genitalia is heresy.

And if having a child with perfectly functional genetalia was heresy, why didn't this race, who were total masters of genetic manipulation, just make everyone sterile?

>>80987768
At least this is more visually interesting and doesn't look like a tv show. Snyder is made for this kind of shit. I wish they'd stick to stylized 300-esque stuff like this, an overly serious and philosophical tone doesn't work well in a kinographic universe

>>80992892
But that's a valid question. As there was never established a legitimate need to remake krypton on earth.

And trying to say "its they beliefs!" just makes it seem even more ridiculous. and forced.

>>80992864
You mean like a virus? Doomsday is a virus, he comes back stronger than he was, and stronger in that, what cured the universe of him, won't work a second time. Like a virus.

>>80992958
It looks like a video game.

Hell, it looks like they yanked it directly from those arkham games.

>>80987768
Which PS2 game is this from?

>>80993027
>doomsday is a virus

... this is a very desperate reach that you're only attempting so as to avoid having to admit to yourself they stole the entire concept of doomsday from DBZ.

>>80993027
the only way to really contain viruses is to freeze them.

>all the saiyans are killed by a dude who's name came from phonetically writing the english word "freezer" in japanese

>>80992748
So basically, earth life doesn't count to Zod because his "book" has no place for it. When he says he intends to rebuild Krypton, he means all of it. We're all going away because we're irrelevant to him on every conceivable level.

So is Kal, minus the Codex.

To him, Kal is an abomination, a caste-less freak without purpose, and that's why Zod is so happy to learn he doesn't even need him alive to extract the Codex.

When Kal destroys the World Engine and defeats him, Zod is a man truly without purpose. His role in Kryptonian society means everything to him because he was born of and an adherent *to* that genetics program. He can't see a future without it, so he forces Kal to give him a warrior's death.

The only future Zod can see looks just like his past. He sees no merit in tolerance or compromise and can only see life through the filter of his "book." He is a religious extremist.

>>80993176
You know you're just charting your mental gymnastics for us, right?

>>80993078
But here you are telling us, that you know for a fact that the blokes who wrote and created Doomsday copied Doomsday off of the Sayians. You know this for a fact, yeah?


>>80993129
that's truthfully the only way to defeat a virus. Interestingly, much like the phoenix, doomsday has to die first.

>>80992988
>And trying to say "its they beliefs!" just makes it seem even more ridiculous. and forced.

Sort of like places in the world that insist on basing all their laws out of their religion?

>>80993176
having a character do things for fanatical religious reasons is on the same level as "evil for the sake of it."

Real fanatics are fanatical because they're always hiding a secret doubt and they're desperate to prove to others this isn't the case and to themselves their secret doubt is unfounded.

>>80993029
>It looks like a video game
Who gives le fuck

>>80993229
I like how you cognitive-dissonance'd the point of the saiyans (thus doomsday) being a virus was laid down in even clearer terms by DBZ.

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>>80988868
>Look at it. It's a man facing off against a force of nature. And. Winning. It's got more visceral impact and awe-inducing mythic power than the entire MCU has managed to muster in more than a baker's dozen worth of films.

>>80992954
That's a good point, but to them, maybe they have limits to what they'll modify. If their genetics(and the expression thereof) are sacred to them, their bodies really are their temples.

>>80993354
What you're describing is simply a poor rationalization for plot convenience.

You have to remember, first and foremost, this isn't a peek into a completely different world. This was shit written down on sanitary napkins by a man getting paid to adapt superman to the screen for a new audience.

>>80993296
I do. If i wanted to watch cutscenes from a game i'd play a game or try-out being a nu-male and watch let's plays, not go to a cinema and watch a movie trying to be a game.

>>80993333
Okay, The creator of Superman, based his creation on sayians, am i right. and the writers who created doomsday based their creation on sayians, am i right? you have proof of this yeah?

>>80988868
so superman is jesus and aquaman is moses

amazing

who are flash, cyborg, and wonder woman though

>>80993457
>the creator of Superman, based his creation on sayians

You're getting a little confused breh.

Doomsday was not created in 1932. Doomsday wasn't created till the 90s. The idea of superman getting stronger every time he died also did not come till the 90s.

The person who created superman hasn't worked on superman for decades.

>>80993290

If you think there's any doubt in the mind of a fundamentalist, it's only you following the pattern that all people follow when they encounter an opposing point of view:

1) "They didn't understand me. Let me explain myself better."
2) "They still don't get it. Let me try again,"
3) "Holy shit! What a moron! Let me try this one more time."
4) "This asshole knows I'm right. He's just holding on to his views out of ego."
5) "This guy's just a lying asshole. He's just disagreeing to piss me off."

Every single time.

I assure you, there are fundamentalists out there who have absolutely no doubt that they're right. That's what makes them dangerous.

>>80993589
>fundamentalist
>fanatic

different things breh

>>80993426
I guess we have a difference of opinion. That's okay, this board is supposed to be for fun.

>>80987934

libcuck

>>80993418
That's saying something's stupid because it can't be smart.

In other words, circular logic. Even worse, it's cynical as fuck.

>>80993562
Doomsday was created in 91. I know more than you do, obviously. Had a superman Encyclopedia back in the day. Shit was cash. Still waiting on that evidence that the makers of Doomsday leeched the idea from Akira Toriyama.

>>80993637
No it isn't. Anything that revolves around and incorporates subjective opinions is inherently opposed to fun.

>>80993481
>when all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

>>80993562
>Doomsday wasn't created till the 90s.
>>80993690
>Doomsday was created in 91. I know more than you do, obviously

... at this point it seems like you're trying to look stupid.

also DBZ started in 88

You people don't actually watch comic book movies, do you?

You're all just memeing? Right?

>>80993688
More like occam's razor.

Whats more likely, the DCEU is work of genuis that can only be understood after hours of rationalizing away all of it's flaws or it was made by people getting paid who don't care about it.

>>80993786
It was you who said the creators of Doomsday copied Sayians so again I ask for proof that they got the idea for doomsday from DBZ. You are the one who said they copied Akira Toriyama, proof evidence of this.

Does A sayian has to die to become strogner, no. Does doomsday actually become stronger? No. he simply Evolves over whatever defeated him.

So again I ask you, where's the proof the makers of Doomsday copied Sayians.

>>80993837
I watch movies. If the setting just so happens to be taken from a comic, so be it.

>>80987560
>>80987588
everyone using this opportunity to felate themselves instead of celebrating this creativity

>>80988868
So DC is the one that has mindless escapism, good to know

>>80993763
when all you have is shit, you'll start thinking shit tastes good.

>>80993721
Well I have fun here because I know that my opinions are objectively right

>>80993626
The apple don't fall far from the tree, breh,

Semantics are semantic. Boring, too.

If you're going to dissent, try to do a better job of it.

>>80993869
>dbz started in 88

>>80993869
>>80993869
>Does A sayian has to die to become strogner, no. Does doomsday actually become stronger? No. he simply Evolves over whatever defeated him.
So he becomes stronger. How is this hard to understand you stupid cunt? He's weak to something, then becomes completely immune to it. That's literally one of the definitions of becoming stronger.

>>80993904
Nah breh, you're confusing two very different groups of people, with very different behaviors and traits, for one single group, and claiming any attempt to unfuck your lack of distinction as semantic.

>>80993856

So entertainment can't be art is what you're saying.

Gotcha.

Also, by Occam's Razor, too man coincidences stop being called coincidences, don't they?

>>80993892
You must be speaking from experience.

MCU fan?

>>80993902
Nah. Yours is still opinion. Objective facts are exactly that, facts. They can't be refuted.
DC makes horrible movies and good comics. Fact.
Marvel makes horrible comics and good movies. Fact.

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>>80992110

>>80993977
The coincidences you're talking about are your personal inferences though. Thus the simplest explanation becomes you want to believe the movies are good and are attempting to rationalize that belief.

>>80994023
see >>80989756

>>80993926
>>80993939
It is you who said The creators of Doomsday copied Akira Toriyama. Remember, this was when there wasn't any anime or manga magazines boasting about anything from Japan, and unless you visited a specialty shop, there was no way in hell you could have gotten your hands on anime or mangas. Trust me, I was there.

And Doomsday evolves, like how a virus Evolves. You try to treat a virus, as the virus dies it releases molecules that aides either the surviving virus or other viruses just like it on how to defeat the antigen the next time around. In the very comic of when doomsday returned the makers said of how doomsday evolves in real time instead over eons of time.

Provide proof of the creators copying Akira's work.

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>>80987633
>>80987588
Why do dubs never fail us?

>>80987768
As someone that too physics in high school, I can't begin to tell you how stupid this is.

>>80994064
so the crux of your argument is the writers/artists for superman in the 90s, desperately looking for ways to revitalize their waning readership, only recently freed from the comics code, somehow did not look to other massive comic markets for things to steal.

>DBZ started in 88

>>80988567
It looks like a cinematic from a Metro game.

>>80993955
So there are no fundamentalist fanatics? Is that what you're saying? You made a huge, sweeping generalization about fanatics. and now you're saying that just because they might not be fundamentalists, nothing I said about generally opposing viewpoints applies. All off what you claim is true specifically for fanatics.

The same shit holds true, regardless of the group, hence why I say you're just arguing semantics,

Which you are, breh.

>>80994024
>Objective facts are exactly that, facts
for you

>>80994168
Fanatics are the people fundamentalists look at and say "dem niggas cray."

Its a venn diagram type deal.

I just saw BvS 32 time and I finally figure out why so good of the movie! It's really a big metaphor for American Christmas superman is santaclause but no one believes him any more and batman is the grinch who never got his present when him founds out they both had the exact same mom his heart grew 3 sizes and doomsday is the literal embodiment of all the presents lex Luther stole from whoville and superman who represents Santa dies saving the presents but batman who also represents whoville was happy anyway because Christmas was inside him this whole fucking time.

Check fucking mates marvel rags

>>80994168
I remember seeing at least three or four venn diagrams by the time I was your age.

is US education just that shit these days? Or are you not in the US or not 18?

>>80994242
Now this is an interpretation I can get behind.

>>80994142
They killed superman. That's it. They made Doomsday Kryptonian, that's it. They decided they were going to bring him back like either the phoenix, or like a virus and they wrote an entire issue to explain how the kryptonians were trying to both tame a wild planet and bring about a perfect life form. They created a perfect evolutionary being. Now you're claiming that they were so desperate they searched every facet of earth reading thousands of comcis and mangas and novels, looking for that special oomph to revitalize superman. And I'm the one reaching.

>>80987588
>You're a rich guy

>>80994294
>every facet of earth reading thousands of comcis

Shounen jump was the most popular thing in japan with DC's target demographics and it's readership rivaled all of DC combined despite the fact it was a jp onry publication to an island nation a 10th of the population of the US.

So now you've shifted the crux of your argument to a claim that DBZ was OBSCURE.

>>80994032
How many more coincidences do you want?

Lex, the guy with deep pockets who's wired into both the military as well as the government, providing "security contractors" to warlords and drones to the C.I.A. is bleeding on the corpse of Zod and it creates Doomsday, who upon being born, immediately lashes out at his creator, then proceeds to attack a member of his own "race," then goes onto destroy a monument we earlier saw graffiti'd with "False God," and nothing our military can do to it does anything but make it stronger, more explosive, and more destructive?

>Not an ISIS reference. Not at all. Just sheer coincidence, guys! Nothing to see here!

>>80994396
So you're sayiing the creators of Doomsday read a shonen jump and copied doomsday off of sayians. Wow, there's a spread of mayo and guava jam, if there ever was one. You tell 'em sherlock, you got it all figured out.

>>80990628

>Grant Morison's 1996 JLA revamp
>Awkward

You have no idea what you're talking about kid

>>80994405
You're kinda skipping the part where the coincidental similarities coalesced in your mind into an intentional reference.

>>80994445
and the simpsons didn't steal material from hitchiker's guide to the galaxy either

>>80994405
Same thing could be said about ultron. allegories, metaphors, and allusions don't make a movie good if they don't serve the main theme

>>80994445
>the creators of Doomsday read a shonen jump

Or conducted market research. Which ever seems less likely to your clearly damaged mind.

>>80994557

I don't know what crack your smoking, but DBZ was serialized before the internet. To know what Jump or DBZ is for that matter you would have to be a Japanese speaker living in Japan at the time it was being released. To allude the fact that Doomsday was ripped off of DBZ is not even far fetched, that's schizophrenia

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>>80994445
>there's a spread of mayo and guava jam, if there ever was one

>>80994622
>88
>before the internet

... I... I just...

>>80994224
>>80994249

Let me show you a Venn diagram:

Opposing views<<< Fanatics << Fanatics and Fundies>> <<just fundies>>> Opposing views

What I'm getting at is that opposing views in this conversation is all-encompassing. It doesn't matter if you're talking about a Fundamentalist disagreeing with a Fanatic, a Fanatic disagreeing with a different kind of fanatic, or whole other subset like Marvel and DC fans. What I said in >>80993589 seems to hold true in all cases. There are researchers studying the phenomenon as we speak.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p6365AVsIA

Which is why I introduce a separate Venn diagram,

<<Your point>> <<The Conversation>>

>>80994680

The internet was released to the public in 96 you fucking brain dead joke

>>80994522
That's a deflection. I said there's an allegory written into this story arc and I explained what it is and why it's there. It's making a statement about religious extremism in an arc of movies that are very much pointing out the dangers of making anything sacrosanct.

If you can't see the connection between the two, there's really nothing I can do to help you.

>>80992748
>>80992204
>>80992055
>>80991695
So I know we're all like "haha what an autist", and I'm not really buying into the islam specific comparisons, but Superman at his core is absolutely an immigrant's story. This guy is suggesting that the movies are following and extending this analogy, saying that immigrants are both beneficial and necessary to stop conflict overseas. I think. But there's logic to what he's saying.

>>80994739
and they got it all on one floppy donchaknow

>>80987934
He's right though.

>>80994622
>>80994735
>>80994445

I just have two more questions

How old are you?

Are you allowed in public without an escort?

>>80995024
Two different guys.

1) Older than you. You know how I can tell? Only an adolescent or a very young 20-something is as arrogant, dismissive, and so self-assured of their world view. You have never been wrong.

2) Way fucking smarter than you. How do I know? See above.

>>80994954
There's always a sort of logic to insanity, the parts that make it insane are where it clearly skips a number of necessary turns and lands somewhere in outer space.

Yes, superman is an immigrant story. So is the story of the united states. Thus the reason superman is literally Murica: superhero.

The steps between "immigrant story" and "islam" are what this guy has never really been able to explain. Because he doesn't know them himself.

>>80995295
Yes, retarded people are always very defensive of their perceived intelligence.

This also isn't a worldview. This is interpretation of fiction. In particular a piece of fiction where complexity, depth, and symbolism are much more likely to be accidental than intended.

>>80995304
So there are no Muslim Americans.

You get that being culturally alien doesn't preclude immersion in another culture, right?

Our media doesn't do much in the way of distinguishing between American Muslims and just "Muslims," either. That's why the "book" being a part of him but not something he actively practices makes him like a moderate representative of an "alien" culture.

>>80995414
The point being you're attempting to claim zack snyder intentionally referenced muslim immigrants a few years before they became international news again and about a decade after no one gave a fuck.

>>80995355
The irony is palpable, friendo.

Your worldview is writ large in your every cynical generalization and flippant dismissal.

You're cock-sure late-teen to mid-20s.

You have no idea how old I am.

>>80995456
I can name a few soldiers that gave a fuck, asshole.

I used to be one, you unbelievably smug prick.

>>80995461
>dismissing my headcanon means you're cynical

... So it sounds to me your worldview resonated deeply with the DCEU and thus you're taking any dismissal of your headcanon intensely personally.

I mean sure, I'll call you a retard, but you should be used to that.

>>80995519
Ah, concussive brain damage. That explains a lot.

Though I doubt you were the sharpest tool in the shed before enlisting.

>>80995560
I am sharper than you are on your best day.

>>80995461
>You have no idea how old I am.

Well yea, he did ask.

Also the way you've allowed this to degenerate into personal attacks, because that's easier than defending your headcanon, has surely established your intellectual superiority.

>>80995525
Deflection.

You've always been a chickenshit.

>>80995519
We've all seen zack snyder. He clearly has no awareness or memory past a few days/weeks.

>>80995609
Personal attacks, after being called an autist, a retard, delusional, and derided from the start?

Yeah, I'm clearly the instigator here.

>>80995631
deflection of what? You're mad that I'm asking you to explain a specific part of your headcanon. Every time we get to this point you start getting belligerent and insulting. Presumably because you can't actually explain how you landed at the conclusion that america represents islam.

>>80994928
There's no connection with what you just said and the movie itself, someone earlier argued that the theme of the movie is obsession will destroy you if you let it control you, what you just said doesn't support that.

It's funny how people keep arguing for BvS to be good and deep and yet every single person has a different explanation as to why this movies good. You are just closing gaps with shit you made up and posing it as if it's something the movie did.

>>80995675
If you fail to explain yourself, what do you expect people to call you?

>>80995648
Circular logic.

>"Zack Snyder's a drooling retard!"
>"You sure anon? People really seem to be finding a lot of hidden gems and cool allusions in his work."
>"BULLSHIT!"
>"But, anon, check out the way all these elements line up and point to a theme that carries across these movies."
>"COINCIDENCE!"
>"I don't know, man, there's an awful lot of-"
>"LALALALALALALA NOT THERE!"
>"But why can't they be?"
>"BECAUSE ZACK SNYDER'S A DROOLING RETARD"

That's pretty much what you got. It makes you look like pretty much the polar opposite of what you think it does.

>>80995805
In order to call "zack is clearly a retard" circular logic, you'd have to ignore the retarded wankfest that was suckerpunch. The movie were zack snyder had total creative control.

>>80995732
If you fail to understand, what does that make you?

>>80995835
So what's it about?

>>80987934
Sad!

>>80995879
what? suckerpunch? bitch gets lobotimized. The beginning, middle, and end.

>>80987588
kek.
Why do things like this always get me.

>>80987934
Eeew.

>>80995854
someone waiting for a more concise/convincing illustration of what could actually be an interesting assertion?

>>80987768
shaping up to be the same nauseating CGI mess that the final part of BvS was.

>>80994363
For you.

>>80988599
>>80988681
underrated

>>80987560
>quips everywhere
>Cyborg and Aquaman clearly trying to be Iron Man and Thor, respectively
>diversity
>annoying pop song

How will they defend this?

>>80996039
by forcing a brand war, obviously

which side are you on???

remember all the people who make fun of you in school are on the other side!

>>80995805
Symbolism, allegories, allusions, metaphors only work if it supports the main theme and plot of the movie.

The idea that BvS should get any sort of praise for a weak attempt at making an allusion to Christianity is laughable. Allusions don't make a story more deep or interesting, the characters and their actions do. Superman is the same character at the beginning of the movie and dies the a act same character. Batman is the only change character that realizes that revenge is wrong, something a thousand other stories have done to better effect.

The fact that there may or may not be some allusion to a greater story only serves to make the actual story that happened in BvS look even weaker.

>>80995725
The West, as represented by Bruce Wayne, is obsessed with vengeance in the aftermath of a traumatic brush with the alien. He embarks upon a campaign to destroy this alien, even though that alien isn't really responsible for what happened, and might, in fact, actually be a pretty good guy.

He shows that he's averse to killing people up close and personal(resorting to weaponry from his vehicle and such - Snyder talked about this distancing of himself from the death which is a serviceable metaphor for drone strikes) and whenever he's face to face with someone he views as truly irredeemable, he brands them and turns a blind eye to what becomes of them (Guantanamo).

He and the alien are manipulated by a third party(who's obsessed with power and prestige) who uses the media and the occasional orchestrated disaster to keep them at odds and stymies any what minimal efforts the alien takes to establish a dialogue with the public. The alien(who obsesses over the guilt he carries) stays largely silent and plays right into this third party's hands.

The West(Bruce), to sate its thirst for vengeance, embarks on a plan of premeditated murder and justifies it as "preemptive self-defense" based solely on his "foe's" alien nature and what he might one day conceivably do.

Only when he forces himself to look his prey in the eye does he finally balk.

So the message there is that by continuing to pursue an obsession with vengeance, Bruce(the West) is losing all right to see itself as the hero. He's letting his obsession kill his mercy and his reason.

Coincidentally, Lex's assistant's name is Mercy, and Senator Finch is pretty clearly a call-out to the character Atticus Finch from Harper Lee's "To Kill a Mockingbird," the story's voice of tolerance, reason, and justice.

But it's all just coincidence, I'm just so very sure.

>>80988168
>implying all liberals were happy hillary cheated bernie out of the election

>>80995903
If that's all you took away from that movie, you pretty much lose all claim to anything remotely similar to the intellectual high ground.

Beginning, middle, and end.

>>80995910
>kek.
>Why do things like this always get me.

I don't know, but it gets me too.

>>80988168
>Someone bashes Drumpf
>WELL HILLARY
Every. Fucking. Time. Baaaa-a-a you little ship.

>>80996447
If you think the movie doesn't take place entirely in the lobotomy chair, you didn't understand it.

>>80996477
Sheep. Thanks, phone.
>Phone posting
Yea yea

>>80996069
>allusion to Christianity

Fucking hell.

>>80996401
still missing the part where "literally america" represents "islam."

is that coming in the next post?

>>80996401
So Islam is good?

BvS is #notallmuslims?

Dropped.

>>80996482
Oh, I know it did. And you did a truly wonderful job of telling me what happened.

You just an absolute shit job of saying what it meant.

>>80996401
It sounds good on paper, but it was executed poorly. I can respect the elements he's trying to use but it doesn't add up to an enjoyable movie.

>>80996620
Or I'm just passed thinking stages of grief are an impressive literally technique.

Especially when the movie keeps going back to "anger" so it can have an action sequence.

>>80987588
Perfect.

>>80996526
So you missed the part about the Codex, what it represents, what Zod represents, and can't be assed to infer what having the Codex infused into him means.

Got it.

Do you want to try or do you want me to spoonfeed you that, too?

It really ain't hard.

>>80996655
It's similar to everything else Snyder where he has the tools and can't use them.

>>80996692
Yes, again, for the upteenth time, I'm completely missing how you jump from a character that is literally the united states of America personified into a superhero representing islam.

>>80996655
Except what she's accepting isn't surrender. It's power.

I'm always amazed that anyone can watch that movie and come out the backside of it still thinking he's an Objectivist. He basically flat-out spells it out that he's not.

>>80996747
By literally not giving a fuck about anything except forcing yet another 9/11 metaphor, because that is such a fresh concept and definitely wasn't already explored in the previous Batman trilogy.

>>80996768
>having a spike jammed through your orbital plate into your brain is power

zack snyder apologists, everyone

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>>80993044
coming out for ps4 soon

>>80987560
I'm shocked.
>Aquaman is the best part
>Wonderman is second best part
>Batman and Superman are dragging it down
We do live in Bizarro World

>>80996747
Well, first of all, what is America? A nation of immigrants, right?

Those immigrants come here and still carry their culture with them for generations, even if they're not fully aware of it. It's the distinction between being devoutly Muslim and merely culturally Muslim, sort of like how simply by growing up in a western society, you're culturally Judeo-Christian whether you prefer to think of yourself that way or not.

We all carry our books in our bones.

How alien would it be to your ears to hear a guy like TImothy McVeigh or Eric Robert Rudolph referred to as Christian Terrorist? We don't really think of them that way. We think of them as wackjobs that did terrible things.

>>80996823
>willfully obtuse

And his detractors, ladies and gentlemen.

>>80996959
That is an interesting conclusion to draw, but I doubt that was intentional.

>>80996959
For starters,
>we
Speak for yourself or shut the fuck up. This is entirely your headcanon you're defending here. Christian terrorists are not a new or even alien concept. They used to bomb/burn free clinics and murder doctors all the time. mcveigh and rudolph were referred to as christian fundamentalist extremists/fanatics.

That out of the way, you still aren't explaining how America personified represents islam.

>>80997038
Look back over this thread and tell me you're willing to dismiss it.

In perfect honesty, tell me you can just write it all off as coincidence after coincidence after coincidence.

>>80997078
I've read the entire thread and I'm still willing to dismiss it because you've failed to explain your assertion. All you've done is drop some references and then point to some stuff in the movie and say "SEE?? SEEEEEEE????????" like a crazy person at a string map.

>>80988168
BUT

HER

EMAILS

>>80997078
All I need is Snyder himself talking about it.

Then I'll be willing to accept it.

>>80987934
There's literally nothing wrong with what he said

>>80988720
watch less tv

>>80997075
Here's a better one for you, then. How about the school shooters? You think of them as Christian terrorists?]

Try not to look right past the part where I quite clearly explain that an immigrant can still be seen as a representative of a culture they're not even aware they're carrying.

>>80997206
>the school shooters
>Christian terrorists

In order for someone to be a terrorist for a religion, they have to give some indication their acts were performed in service to that religion.

Like how mcveigh and rudolph did.

>>80997206
What I'm looking at is your continued failure to make any real justification of the assertion that "THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: PERSONIFIED" represents "ISLAM"

Lets be honest for a minute.

This whole "Snyder-verse movies are good" thing is a joke right?

>>80997287
No matter how stupid something is, someone takes it seriously.

>>80988720
Where are the death squads, anon? You said there would be death squads.

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>>80989811

>>80997350
That blimp used to mean something.

>>80997254
You think anyone outside our culture makes that distinction?

That's where the disconnect happens. The East thinks of us exclusively in terms of Christianity and we, in turn, think of them inclusively as Muslim, whether the mainstream religion accepts them as adherents or not.

McVeigh and Rudolph can make all the statements they want, it doesn't mean that there are whole sects of Christianity that are going to agree with one thing that either of them did.

Consequently, that's also why it's not an entirely one-sided message. There *is* an active force within Islam perverting it into something monstrous, which is why it needs its own version of the Reformation.

I reference it in >>80991152

>>80987768
Between this and Mass Effect Andromeda, I'm convinced that producers are doing this on purpose to attract memes.

>>80997329
we're getting there.

But remember, the revolution will not be televised or tweeted. Neither will the deathsquad deployments.

Network neutrality ended. No one noticed. The open internet is soon to be executed. When that happens, shit will get real.

>>80997287
Snyder DC movies would be amazing but Marvel literally pays saboteurs to sneak onto set and ruin the filming and they pay writers to slip in bad dialogue to ruin the movies and they pay CGI studios to do bad work for DC movies. If Marvel would stop ruining DC movies we would get some truly amazing DC films.

>>80996401
Lol wow you can't read, can you explain why this movie is good without drawing every character to some sort of allegory, symbolism or allusion?

Good movies are good on their own merit and when they do use symbolism it's only an extra icing that improves the overall experience.

So I'll ask again what makes this movie good? The whip cream?

>>80997410
So you literally have nothing even resembling the slightest clue of what you're talking about.

ISIS and islamic fundamentalist extremism are raging against capitalism and multiculturalism, correctly viewing them as subversive forces that seek to rob certain people of power and those people painting that as an attempt to steal their god. They correctly identify the west as godless, not christian, and there is literally zero reason to think otherwise.

But thank you, thank you for finally going to the mattress and revealing you really don't have a single fucking clue about anything that is outside your capeshit infested brain.

>>80987934
What are you trying to prove with this pic?

>>80997329

I got one right here

*unzips dick*

>>80997403
to us 90s kids

>>80997503

Your post:
>>80995725
>There's no connection with what you just said and the movie itself, someone earlier argued that the theme of the movie is obsession will destroy you if you let it control you, what you just said doesn't support that.

Just sayin.

>>80996826
What video game is this?

>>80997565
But our world doesn't exist anymore.

>>80997169
Didn't you see the one where he talked about why turkish air was so important?

That should have all you need.

>>80997586
Sorry, Meant for >>80997491

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>>80997586
More than one person thinks you're an idiot.

and that post has nothing to do with your idiotic worldview of "CHRISTIANS VS MUSLIMS"

>>80997503
Wow, You genuinely think that "godless" and "Christian" aren't synonymous within the mind of Muslim extremists.

Sociopolitical considerations aside, why is it you think groups like ISIS persecute and kill indigenous Christians that won't convert?

Because their god is false, not just different, making them "godless" by default.

>>80997801
Okay, son, just because everyone in snyder movies has to be stupid to support a narrative does not mean the real world works that way.

These people aren't fighting an ideological war, they're fighting to exist period. Its not about which revision of the bible is correct, its about people seeing the corrosive effects of consumerism upon any religious entity. As once a monotheistic God is no longer the source of all things, that religion loses it's main grip upon a human mind.

You literally don't have the barest clue of what you're talking about and you really just need to stop, lest someone think you might be right and spread your idiocy to another mind.

>>80997503
>So you literally have nothing even resembling the slightest clue of what you're talking about.
>ISIS and islamic fundamentalist extremism are raging against capitalism and multiculturalism, correctly viewing them as subversive forces that seek to rob certain people of power and those people painting that as an attempt to steal their god. They correctly identify the west as godless, not christian, and there is literally zero reason to think otherwise.
>But thank you, thank you for finally going to the mattress and revealing you really don't have a single fucking clue about anything that is outside your capeshit infested brain.

I'm not that Anon, but you're ridiculously full of shit. They aren't raging against capitalism and "multiculturalism", they're trying to bring about the Day of Judgement. They don't want to be left alone, ISIS wants the closest thing to the "Armies of Rome" to come meet them on the battlefield, where ISIS will be victorious and bring on the apocalypse.

They aren't mad at us because we're Godless, or because we're decadent capitalists. The only thing that they accept is a seventh-century style of living, where everything is done precisely according to Muhammed's words and actions, and apostates die. Wearing western clothes, voting, shaving, not calling people out for apostasy, these are all things that can mark you for death. And the true Caliphate fights Rome, and the apocalypse comes.

>>80992567
Try debunking any of what he said, shitskin.

>>80997727

Not in the least bit surprised you lack the grace and civility to even acknowledge an apology >>80997703 or extend one in turn.

Not even slightly.

>>80997960
You're simultaneously right and wrong. You're right, they don't just want to be left alone. They want to exist. And they recognize they won't if they allow western consumerism to spread throughout their countries. And western consumerism is not a "stoppable" force. Hence their demand for the islamic state.

You're also confusing a lot of lower-level propaganda tools for the leaderships actual beliefs. What the suicide bombers are told (virgins, Armageddon, jihad, etc) are not the real reasons the suicide bombers are sent out in the first place.

These are easy mistakes to make. As its very easy to assign similar attributes to similar groups of people.

>>80997910
Oh yeah. I'm the crazy one.

Fucking lol.

and like that, its a /pol/ thread

good job america represents islam guy

>>80996477
i hope this is bait, because the irony is cosmic

>>80998135
Hey, don't blame me. Blame the asshole who can't distinguish between someone explaining the message that's being conveyed and why I think it should be found artful, given that it's worked into a superhero movie, of all things.

>>80998091
>As its very easy to assign similar attributes to similar groups of people.

Very much in the same vein of what I was driving at in >>80997410.

Each side makes too many generalizations.

>>80998235
I like that you're sticking to your guns, ignorant and idiotic as they may be, in the face of having someone explain why they're idiotic and ignorant.

This vision of america personified representing islam has never and will never extend beyond your thick skull.

>>80998297
Nice to see you focus on a single idea, take it out of context, then attempt to give it new context that fits your uniquely idiotic ideas.

>>80998341
Nice to see you still here advocating for ISIS.

>dat poor ole ISIS just wanna exist
>dat poor ole ISIS dindunuffin

>>80998397
Not even close to what I said dude.

>>80998433
I'm sorry. Did you not just say:

>>80998091
>You're right, they don't just want to be left alone. They want to exist.

If you'd like to expand on that, I'm all ears.

>>80998091

Well, you're wrong, of course, but how does that even make sense to you? The leaders are all lying, according to you. They aren't just interested in following the Koran, and they aren't looking forward to the day that they battle the West, the West is destroyed, apocalypse. All of that is not true, apparently, they're just interested in existing without a McDonald's anywhere near them.

So, why are they sending out suicide bombers? They don't want multiculturalism, and they want to live in peace without our capitalist influence, so they cook up some bullshit to tell people about infidels and apostates and send people out to try and kill us.

So, when Abu Muhammad al-Adnani told all Muslims in Canada and France to run people over with their cars or bash an infidel's head in with a rock, what he was really going for was hoping that we aren't going to start selling cell phones.

You're making a really common mistake. The Islamic State is Islamic as fuck. From Zarqawi to Baghdadi, these guys are well-considered guys with a coherent theology. You're thinking of the whole jihad thing as this big, consistent deal, and that it's all basically along the lines of Osama, but these guys actually think they've built the Caliphate. They absolutely reject peace. They absolutely crave genocide. It's religious as fuck, and they see themselves as the true Islamic Caliphate, which is the harbinger of the apocalypse.

It's forgivable that you think we're still dealing with al Qaeda, but these guys have taken it to another level.

>you were here the night a DCbro on /tv/ outed an ISIS recruitor

>>80998505
The rest of that post is a good place to start. Then >>80997910.

>>80998515
>you're wrong because I don't understand that those in power want to stay in power and recognize western influence as undermining their power. That doesn't even make sense!!

... well you got me there

>>80998696
Thanks. I've seen all I really need.

This "idiot" is perfectly clear and straight. Right down the line.

>>80998753
Hey, feel free to elaborate. Its not like you've got anything better to do.

>>80998620
w-what?!

>>80998769
Nope! I'm good. Thanks, though! I'll just pack up all my cuh-RAAAZY ideas and call it a night.

The floor's all yours, friend.

>>80998771
apparently having the barest understanding of world politics makes you an isis supporter.

>>80998843
that's right son, everyone else is crazy.

>>80998844
>the barest understanding

That's a masterwork of understatement. Or is it overstatement? I'm really not sure at this point.

>>80998878
Its nice to see you can't actually respond to any sort of legitimate fact.

>>80998739
>those in power want to stay in power

On whose mandate? The people's or Allah's?

>>80998739

Let me make sure that I understand what you're saying. Correct me if my history is wrong.

Zarqawi was a student of Maqdisi, who was an intellectual jihadist in al Qaeda. Zarqawi was an attentive student, but he got a little too extreme even for Maqdisi, throwing around the term infidel an awful lot, expanding it's definition so that a lot of behavior that used to be more or less tolerated was getting people excommunicated and killed. Lots of Muslims getting killed by Zarqawi, to the point that Maqdisi wrote him a letter telling him to pump the brakes on this operation, that maybe it shouldn't go straight to apostate, that maybe some things are forgivable.

All that's just the difference between al Qaeda and ISIS. Tell me, are there executions routinely in the Islamic state? Why? What crimes are people being executed for? Are there mass executions? How frequently? Why?

It's understandable that you want this to just be bad governance, or some kind of reaction to social changes. But it's not. It's takfiri. They are looking to purify the world, by killing massive amounts of people. That's what they say, and they quote the Koran all day every day. They execute people all the time, individual executions for apostasy. Mass executions are frequent. All of this is explained by them, with citations from the Koran. Are you denying that they're following takfiri doctrine?

There are a lot of historical examples of Muslims following through with what the Koran legally requires them to do. ISIS is a modern example.

>>80998874
OK, one last thing, then,

Just seeing if I'm even remotely on the right track here, Is it the fact the you found Superman, an American symbol, being used as an allegorical stand-in for Eastern Cultures and the West's fears of Nuclear Islam detestable not because you're staunchly American, but rather staunchly Muslim, and hearing that the woefully maligned, perfectly reasonable ISIS(who just want to exist) were being represented by a destructive monster
what really put a bug up your keister?

>>80999056
I'm the "crazy" superbro. I'd like to thank you for jumping in, because I'm not too proud to admit when I'm out of my depth, and I so totally am.

I'm just a guy with a good eye for allegory.

>>80999380

No problem, and yeah, that guy's something else. I just wanted to talk about Justice League, lol. It was a good thread until something happened. . .

>>80999380

I mean, I've heard people argue that ISIS is correct in following Islamic law, or that they're right in what they're doing, but that level of denial is insane. I don't know, maybe it plays on Reddit or in college classes or something. I'm glad I'm not alone, here.

>>80999488
Well let's talk about what *you* want to talk about.

I'm hype as hell and hoping that they dial back the allegory a notch or two so they can really hit one out of the park.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for an in-depth story, but after the workout BvS gave me, I kind of would like to at least put my brain on cruise control. Not off, mind you, but just a nice, steady cruise.

>>80999585

Definitely. I'm not sure if it's because I liked it, and it was getting slammed so hard, but I feel like I spent so much time thinking about the movie, like it's an exercise or a homework project or something. I think it's really cool that so much thought goes into it, but it's more effortful than effortless. Some movies surprise you with depth that you only notice when you start looking; BvS was good, but it was conspicuously deep.

I still think it's a great movie. It wasn't ever really fun, though. I hope JL is fun, it looks like it will be. Bruce won't be murderously brooding from the very beginning, so it should be more lighthearted.

>>80992567

woah come now achmed

>>80999734
Well not to send you off chasing a red herring here, but before we talk about JL, I have to tell you about something I ran across today, I think I might have ran something down about the Sword of Alexander scene that's directly tied to Lex, Doomsday, or anything other than a subtle jab at a rival.

Bruce: "It's a fake, you know. The real one was sold on the black market in 1998 and now hangs above the bed of-"

Diana: "The Sultan of Hajar."

On a whim, I looked up comic book happenings and one in particular that hit me was that Marvel was sold to Toybiz in 1998. I'm not sure where to take it from there or what "the Sultan of Hajar" refers to(if anything), but I thought it was interesting.

I've heard they're teasing the Corps in this one too. You hear anything along those lines?

>>80999940
>that's directly tied to Lex

Sorry.

>that's not directly tied . . .

>>80999940
>On a whim, I looked up comic book happenings and one in particular that hit me was that Marvel was sold to Toybiz in 1998. I'm not sure where to take it from there or what "the Sultan of Hajar" refers to(if anything), but I thought it was interesting.

That's really funny! I wonder, hmm. I know the sword's usually associated with Alexander using it to cut the knot, supposedly to symbolize solving an impossible problem by thinking outside the box. The 1998 Marvel connection is pretty funny, just as a fake, real, jab kind of thing. It seems too specific to not mean anything in the movie.

Other than Cavill's Instagram thing on Green Lantern I haven't heard much. It's Unite the Seven, so it'd be. .

>>80999988

Thread's about to die, too. It was fun, m8! I'll see you around the board, I'm sure.