>"Nerd culture is the product of a late capitalist conspiracy,

>"I don't think they are making [comic book movies] an elevated art form, I think it's still just Batman running around in a stupid cape.. It's for kids, it's adolescent in its core. "
>David Cronenberg
Well, that's just ironic

>>80920798
It's simple, we uh, kill the Batman.

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>"Nerd culture is the product of a late capitalist conspiracy, designed to infantalize the consumer as a means of non-aggressive control."
>Simon Pegg
I mean he's not wrong but it's him

>>80920942
>Simon Pegg
>Russell Brand

Holy shit, how are english becoming this woke.

>>80921031
>Russell Brand
Complete meme tier hack

>>80921179
I didn't say he was funny. But he's woke

As a guy who actually collected comic books when i was younger, i agree with pegg.

Pegg and guys like us were actual nerds, ostracized for this shit back in the day.
Now literally every basic bitch is a walking cliche surrounded by funkopops and wearing black rim glasses.
Were did all the adults go.

Would probably be more rebellious in this age to own a mortgage and drink wine at cocktail parties, are whatever adults fucking did a long time ago.

OH REALLY IS SUPERSPIDERPOOL GOING TO MAKE SOME QUIPS WHILE CLASSIC ROCK PLAYS IN THE BACKGROUND AND A SECONDARY CHARACTER IS REPLACED BY A MARKET TESTED MINORITY AND THERES GOING TO BE 10 SEQUALS

REALLLY

>>80920798
are those legit quotes?
is there a pic/youtube link man can spread, or do you just have it in a .txt?

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I was wondering about this too.
How come capeshit movies always sell over a billion dollars worldwide, but I cant recollect what ever happened to iron man 1,2,3, thor 1,2, daredevil, recent batman and superman, antman, dr. strange, etc..

I think it's because it's watered down, bland, commercial pop movies that do not want to offend anybody and has sequel-itus.

Same thing happened with the zombie movies, star wars, and pixar.

>>80921348
Just google the words

>>80920942
Except he is wrong. Nerd culture was a thing before Jewywood started making money from it and the only reason they started making money from it was because the hipsters decided nerd culture was cool. Plus he's a giant hypocritical cunt if he feels that way about nerd culture and capitalism considering they both made him rich.

>>80921317
The new guardians of the galaxy trailers cemented this for me. Le nerd xD culture has destroyed the entertainment industry and every subculture that took decades of passion to create. It's fucking OVER.

>>80921455
took you a while tbqh

>>80920798
>late capitalist
Why do these delusional religious marxist retards think capitalism will somehow magically "collapse"?

Why do they project their delusional evolution denying religion onto other people?

Marxism is on par with scientology.
It's pseudoscience.

>>80921452
And how this is hypocritical?

capitalists dont take risks in the media business because they could lose money, they homogenize and sterilize all creativity in order to appeal to a mass market.

But its become so transparent in this age, it happened during the obama years, all music, and movies became so stale and homogenized.
Only tv somehow still makes some gems every now and then

>>80920942
>I mean he's not wrong
Of course he is.
>late capitalism
Are you retarded?
Go back to redddit/r/latestatecapitalism

you worthless brainlet pleb

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>>80920798
>tfw
The deliberate debasement of culture is the real end of history, not the end of the Cold War. History isn't economics or conflict, it's culture. Isn't it awful to think that all of these thousands of years of progress built up from oral tradition, to Gilgamesh, the Aenid, Beowulf, Dante, Canterbury Tales, Richard III, Dorian Gray, Moby Dick, Gravity's Rainbow. This is what it was all leading up to. An incomprehensible muddle of glossy nonsense. Sure these can be found for free but who will bother? Once we lose the foundations we'll have nothing substantial to build on. We're entering a cultural dark age and I honestly don't see this stuff being found again later down the line. This is the end of culture.

>>80921317
>Would probably be more rebellious in this age to own a mortgage and drink wine at cocktail parties, are whatever adults fucking did a long time ago.


You really don't know the half of it. I complained about having difficulty finding an entertainment center for the TV that matched the coffee table and she looked at me like I had two heads.

>simon pegg is a commie
Someone needs to slit his fucking throat and throw him into the pacfic ocean.

I'm not kidding.

>>80920798
>WAAAHHHHHH comic book movies are killing culture

Bitch Jaws killed movies

>>80921452
But he is. Someone who lives their entire lives in fantasy and never grows up mentally is much easier to control than someone who lives in the now and is mature.

The "control" here is intended for stabilization of commerce. That is, you do a shitty job, you get paid next to nothing, you go into debt, you stay in debt, you give all your money to someone else. If you dislike this, you watch a movie about an uprising so that you can live vicariously through the protagonist. Once you are done watching the movie, you no longer have pent up problems with the people who lord over you. It pacifies you.

From that point, you can be controlled quite easily. You can even be told to destroy your own race and you will do it willingly.

>>80921317
Luckily for me I grew out of my comic book and graphic-T stage very early in life, before any major damages can occur.

>>80920798
>The avengers was pretty fun
-me

>>80921533
>it happened during the obama years, all music, and movies became so stale and homogenized

you're one young fucking retard to say something like this. as if sequels, spin-offs and rehashes were an invention of the obama era

generalizing about an entire art medium says a lot about your taste too

>>80921579
go to bed grandpa.also;
>defending capeshit
someone must dump your ass to ocean honestly.

>>80920798
>"A sweet-faced boy of twelve told me proudly that he had seen Star Wars over a hundred times? I said, 'do you think you could promise never to see Star Wars again?' He burst into tears. I just hope the lad, now in his thirties, is not living in a fantasy world of secondhand, childish banalities"

Alec Guinness, professional dream killer

>>80921455
Thats it too, i wouldnt mind comic book movies, but thier sucess has actually killed any art in film.
No small little films anymore, just large expanded universes meant to sell tshirts and toys.
No movies set in reality, about real people, about the poor or downtrodden.
Comic book movies are prole feed

>>80921723
Dreams didn't get you anywhere. Especially the ones you get from star wars

>>80921731
>No small little films anymore
Nah, you just too lazy to find them.

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>>80920798

>>80921670
I think he was just using as a time frame not really blaming anyone

>>80921452
normies get out

"Nerd Culture" is all based on nostalgia, it's just another shitty trend in media, that's why nearly every large Hollywood Movie is a remake, reboot, or based on something nostalgic. This shit is ruining everything, they know that it will sell just because it has a logo on it. Nerd culture is ruining creativity.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/2016/04/14/25-films-set-for-a-reboot-or-remake/
This link is a list of 25 movies being seriously considered for remakes/reboots. On the list are classics like Mary Poppins, Bill and Teds Excellent adventure, and Police Academy. A movie needs remaking when it doesn't sit right or needs updating, these movies are being made just for money. Disney has been doing this shit for years, look at the live action remakes. They're the same movies as the classic cartoons but now it's live action, twice the profit for one idea. Ghostbusters, Power Rangers, Spider-Man Homecoming, Fantastic 4, 5 more Star Wars films, Indiana Jones 5, Jamunji, The Mummy and more. When will it end

>>80921637
Fun is a buzzword and you know it.

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>>80920942
>DAE hate le capitalism consumerism neoliberalism bourgeoisie?

why do I always picture a scrawny 16 year old virgin making these sorts of posts? Oh wait

>>80921579
so much for le tolerant right :^DDDDD

>>80920798

we really need to expand that travel ban

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>making this thread during the infantilized americlap hours

>>80921554
the end of history was the end of hope, nothing original is made anymore because the real future is grim.
The real future is the destruction of the middle class, there will only be the extremely rich and extremely poor while we live in mega city slums and all nations and peoples and borders are destroyed.
They see us all as interchangeable cogs, no humanity, a completely atomized and destroyed society only here to make them money.

The only place we can change things is in the past.

>>80921974
See >>80921612 you upset popnerd

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>>80922009
I imagine every line in this is a le ebin reference but I only get star wars and star trek

>>80921455
Any one else feel like that trail is the most pnadering simple minded thing ever. Begging the lowest common demoniator to come watch le epic marvel nerd movie. Idk it just seemed so shit but its gonna do well anyways. Im gonna watch it because Ive seen everything else im too far gone.

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Disgusting.

>>80921499
So you think capitalism is going to last forever? Seems even more delusional to me. You don't have to be a communist to realise capitalism hasn't been around forever and won't stay around forever either.

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>"Hey check what we did while decorating Dovaakhiin's room last weekend ! I can't wait for him to grow up and become a nerd like his parents lol"

>>80921981
When were we tolerant?
Commies need to be killed honestly desu

>>80922423
Jesus christ, so embarassing

>>80922326
>So you think capitalism is going to last forever?
No, it's going to last until capitalism produces enough so that prices are zero.

Then all economic systems become unnecessary.

socialism is retarded and doesn't work

>You don't have to be a communist to realise capitalism hasn't been around forever and won't stay around forever either.
lmao you're the delusional one, even in anarchy, people naturally become capitalists and trade

how will capitalism magically "collapse"?
its like saying "breathing" will collapse

>>80922423
>Hey check what we did while decorating Dovaakhiin's room

heh

>>80921974
He never said he hated capitalism.

>>80922423
This is like the polar opposite of the parents who live vicariously through their kid, and force them to play every sport.

>But dadddd I don't like anime can't we watch a movie with real human actors, not wearing capes???

>NO YOU LITTLE FAGGOT YOU'RE GONNA FINISH WATCHING DRAGONBALLZ AND YOURE GONNA LIKE IT JUST LIKE I DID.
>no son of mine is gonna grow up to be a fucking JOCKKKKKKKKK

>Because the audience is so overexposed to plot and explosions and shit that doesn’t mean nothing about the experience of being human.

Well that's just pretentious.

>>80922131
In order;

Harry potter, Fairy tales, Star wars, Dr. Who, Star Trek, Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy, Hunger games (had to look that one up) and Firefly.

Indeed the cringe is maximum.

>>80922555
That's true though

>>80922555
>the audience is so overexposed to plot
What the fuck does this even mean?

>Movies suck these days because they have too much plot.

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At least commie manchildren are very helpful in fighting retarded Drumpf fans.

>>80922562
I think the font from "epic adventures" might be lord of the rings

>>80922624
>At least commie manchildren are very helpful in fighting retarded Drumpf fans.
I hope you're joking.

>>80920798
i hate capeshit but Snyder doesn't make capeshit, he has elevated the genre, he's brought intelligence and complexity that capeshit has never seen before. (see watchmen or man of steel)

>>80922702
They're more relatable from the get go.

>>80922721
You're part of the problem they're memeing about, but you just haven't realized it.

>>80922760
not an argument.

people hate what they don't or cannot understand. it's not my fault you like quips and fart jokes. it's not my fault you refuse to turn on your brain.

>>80922732
>TRUMP IS LITERALLY VOLDOMORT

This is not relatable to anybody who doesn't watch Harry Potter.

>>80922721
>he's brought intelligence and complexity
He brought Rich

>>80922818
Your and your kinds sensibilities are in full display here https://twitter.com/search?q=Capekino&src=typd
>video games
>capeshit
>cartoons
>nerd """"culture"""
All the memes are there

>>80922820
Of course, but pop culture is much more prevalent amongst the people that need to indoctrinated. If not HP it's a hundred of other franchises.

>>80922903
stay on twitter kid.

>>80922941
Stay on /co/ or /v/, adult child

Does every movie have to be deep and serious to be worthwhile? Is it childish to watch an action movie or a comedy?

The quotes in the OP seem to be suggesting that if you enjoy a film with these certain characters, then you're a childish affront to the film industry; the lowest common denominator to be catered to. Why can't one enjoy both a deep drama and a popcorn action flick for two different reasons. Trying to pigeon hole everyone as a fat neck beard fanboy opposed to patricians is disingenuous.

>>80922931
"wow this is just like when hermoine was captured by the death eaters" the liberal said as a neo nazi carved a swastika into their heads with a rusty nail

>>80923086
>le epic just turn your brain off popcorn movie XD

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>>80921554
>>80922011

Fuck.

>>80922494
Economic systems will never become "unnecessary." They don't have to describe something that we put in place to manage wealth. Economic systems are what describe our relation to material goods.

I don't think a system in which prices are zero can be called capitalism anymore, so maybe we agree on that point. I just disagree that capitalism will get us there.

Nobody's claiming capitalism will be ended by magic. There are many pieces of literature out there that detail a lot of contradictions in capitalism that you probably will never read just because you identify as an anti-communist. I just want to say to you before I go it's okay to be well-rounded in your reading, especially within economics and political philosophy. I really mean it man, and I hope you don't take that the wrong way.

By the way I'm not a socialist, so please try to keep the scope of the argument to the staying power of capitalism. Making statements like 'socialism is retarded' isn't helping anyone.

>>80923086
Thanks /co/. Can we get the CS Lewis quote next?

I don't know why /tv/ pretends to hate superhero movies so much when this board is filled with petty marvel/DC company war threads and retarded "capekino" threads 24/7. Why does this place try so hard to seem "patrician" and not like those "normalfags" when it's obvious /tv/ secretly likes this garbage

Great thread OP.

>>80923445
A vocal minority spam capeshit threads

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>>80921499

>>80921031
>Russell Brand
>woke

The dude's a fucking socialist.

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>>80923707
>socialist

>>80923743
>Usury

>>80922624
teehehehehehe ya dood grumpf is liek totally darth vader and voldemort and like every villain ever duuude it's so clearly pure 100% evil and the left is amazing and good, pure hearted souls that are 100% good. Everything is black and white d00000d lmao duh

>>80922531
>you know what? fuck you mom and dad, I'm reading some Pynchon!
>now son, you don't mean that, apologize to your father's wife for those microagressions

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>>80922562

>>80923303
Explain how Communism is better at producing consumer goods than Capitalism

>>80923303
>Economic systems will never become "unnecessary." They don't have to describe something that we put in place to manage wealth. Economic systems are what describe our relation to material goods.
WRONG.

If post scarcity is ever achieved through technology. Economic systems will not exist.

>I don't think a system in which prices are zero can be called capitalism anymore
It won't be. Capitalism has served it's purpose.

>I just disagree that capitalism will get us there.
The ONLY fucking thing that can get us there is voluntary human interaction ie. capitalism

>here are many pieces of literature out there that detail a lot of contradictions in capitalism
and they've been debunked countless times
marx was wrong about capitalism ending in the 1800s so marxists changed their argument to the "automation is bad" argument that austrians already debunked ages ago

>will never read
TOP KEK
Not only have we read these childish delusions, we laugh at them. Again, we've debunked them ages ago.

>Making statements like 'socialism is retarded' isn't helping anyone.
Actually it is because socialism is literally retarded and serves no purpose.
It's like scientology and dianetics.

>>80922494
>how will capitalism magically "collapse"? its like saying "breathing" will collapse
it's pretty telling of our generation that "it is easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism".

>>80923898
>Explain how Communism is better at producing consumer goods than Capitalism
He literally can't because he's been brainwashed

He actually thinks that somehow he will magically get his "surplus value" back.

Hilarious.

>>80922624
I hope this woman abolishes the dept of education so you fascists lose your fucking jobs and americans actually get a quality education again like they used to in the 50s and 60s.

Get raped.

It's funny how all but Lucas are actually right. Star Wars may have been popular with kids, but it was never an overtly kiddie movie.

Just goes to show he probably never even saw the films that carried his name.

>>80923907
>Capitalism has served it's purpose.
It clearly did not increase literacy levels.

>>80923920
because capitalism will never "collapse"

>>80923963
Who are you talking to?

I agree that people who are TOO invested need to come back to reality, but I also dont think there is some grand scheme behind nerd shit, its just entertainment. Sometimes when someone writes a story its not a political message or means of brainwashing people, its just a fucking story.

>>80923993
>because capitalism will never "collapse"
capitalistfags do not seem so different from religiousfags. they just believe in a different god

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>>80923664
>leftpol memes

lmao you cucks get super mad whenever someone criticizes your religion

it's like you're calling us "sinners" whenever you spew your pseudoscientic garbage

>fiction writers and movie people claiming escapism is wrong

Wew lad. I guess the only way to be an adult is to only watch documentaries and read non-fiction books, eh?

>>80923898
>>80923907
>>80923936
Okay retards, how about you read that last line there. Second-last sentence, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th words. Now explain why you want me to defend communism.

>tfw I unironically have only seen a couple of capeshit movies and really don't get the appeal.

I mean they're fine, but why are there so many? Once you've seen one you've seen them all.

>>80923988
Except it did.
Just because socialists are unable to read or even function in society doesn't mean we aren't able to.
Please kill yourself.

>>80924040
>dude the theory of evolution will collapse and jesus will roam the earth
This is literally what marxists believe.
The "collapse of capitalism" theories are so hilariously pathetic only a marxist would believe in them.
>m-muh automation
lmao

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>>80924040
>voluntary human interaction is a RELIGION
>voluntary human interaction will COLLAPSE
>voluntary human interaction is CONTRADICTORY
>WHY ARE YOU LAUGHING AT ME?!?!

>>80921499

From what I understand "late capitalism" doesn't mean "lol capitalism will fail soon comrade xD". It just means that the current state of American society where we have a huge inequality in terms of wealth and megacorporations is an inevitible consequence of long term capitalism.

So we're currently in the "late stages".

>>80924105
>Capitalism has served it's purpose.
It clearly did not increase literacy levels.

>>80921579

You can be critical of Capitalism without being a commie you status quo bootlicker.

>>80922606
It's the same "plot" over and over again.
People know what to expect in every way but the superficial. They become inured to real life and expect events to work out in ways that reflect cheap cliches.

>>80924105
how can you genuinely believe that an economic system in place for only 200 years will last forever?

I haven't seen a single Capeshit film since Iron Man came out and even then I could barely sit through it since I was bored a lot. I did the right thing in dismissing it all together?

>>80924153
>It just means
No, it's literally communists thinking the global capitalist system will "collapse" and will somehow be replaced by socialism.

It's legitimatly what they believe.
Have you ever talked to one of these people?

>the current state of American society where we have a huge inequality in terms of wealth and megacorporations
Libertarians believe that the american economic is absolutely doomed to collapse due to the central bank printing trillions of dollars and distorting the economy.
When this inevitable collapse happens, the world won't suddenly turn socialist.
Delusional.

>>80924167
Yes, seeing that genetic trash leftists are clearly incapable of reading comprehension.

>>80920798
>>"A sweet-faced boy of twelve told me proudly that he had seen Star Wars over a hundred times? I said, 'do you think you could promise never to see Star Wars again?' He burst into tears. I just hope the lad, now in his thirties, is not living in a fantasy world of secondhand, childish banalities"
>- Alec Guinness

That poor kid probably killed himself that very same day because Obi Wan was a douche to him

>>80924199
>criticises capitalism
>calls other status quo
I don't understand
You support everything the status quo supports(central banks, welfare states, massive "regulations" etc)

>>80924222
What does the time have to do with anything?
What do you think the system would magically change into?
The only way capitalism goes away is if we have post scarcity(due to capitalism).

>>80924228
you can't even tell "it's" from "its" and you argue that leftists cannot read. are you 14, retard or both?

>>80924058
>Now explain why you want me to defend communism.
Because you're a communist using sophistry to mask his intentions.

>I AM NOT A SOCIALIST
>translation: I am further to the left than a socialist.

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>>80924293
>when you cannot refute the arguement point out punctuation errors
okay lmao

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>capitalism leads to technological progress

>>80924337
it's not a punctuation error you idiot ahahahahahaha how do you even ahahahahaha

>>80923743

He's a "socialist". He goes on youtube and talks like he's swallowed a fucking thesaurus to make his drivel sound smart.

He's regarded as a knob by everyone in Britian. He's funny when he bewilders interviewers but that's about it.

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>>80924356
>I deny overwhelming evidence of reality because my ass bleeds
lmao

>>80924285
What do you think the system would magically change into?
I don't know, neither you do tho. Why then believe in the eternity of capitalism? Ideology is a bitch

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>>80924373
not an argument

lmao

>>80924054

>Movies are about escapism solely and primarily

top pleb

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>>80920798
Simon praised Star Wars for having a princess hero and then shit on the males fans. He just learns this shit off his feminist girlfriend.

More like Simon Pegged.

The infantilization comes from the schools who teach kids, especially girls that the state is their daddy who will pay for everything. It's when you enter the real world and get a job that you have to grow the fuck up.

>>80924426
>Ideology
Like communism?

People like me only describe systems.
It's marxists have have delusional prescriptions to things that never work.

>>80924426
>Why then believe in the eternity of capitalism?
Maybe because it works?
Wait lol you think the current system we live under is capitalism or something?

>>80924475
All marxists are cucked like this.

>>80924483
i don't know dude, you are talking about communism

>>80924228

Not really, that's just what I assumed the term meant.

To be honest when I first came across it I got the same impression as you, but I assumed it meant more.

>>80924426
>muh p-pure ideology
zizek is incredibly delusional and smells like feces
he needs to be thrown out of a helicopter

>>80924356
>capitalism leads to technological progress
capitalism leads to people buying technology when they want it, not when the government has determined that they can justify needing it.

>Living in Communist States of America
>I have a 1080p HDTV, and I want to upgrade and buy a 4K.
>Have to go down to the People's Democratic Department Of Entertainment Distribution
>Stand in line
Hello I would like to fill out an application to purchase a new 4K tv.
>Is your old TV broken
No but I want a better one
>Is your TV capable of receiving signals from the People's Democratic Information Dissemination Network
Uh...yes but you see there are new movies coming out that...
>APPLICATION DENIED
>Reason: YOUR OLD TV IS FINE IF YOU HAVE ANY DISPOSABLE INCOME WE WILL NOW BE CONFISCATING IT FOR THE BOURGEOIS CRIME OF SAVING MONEY

>>80924528
>you are talking about communism
yes I am talking about communism
an ideology that has failed countless times and does not work

>>80924511
you are aware that there were other types of economic system before capitalism and people believed in the eternity of their non-capitalist systems?

>>80924552
>BOURGEOIS CRIME OF SAVING MONEY
I keked

but it's really what delusional economically illiterate commies actually believe

we need to kill every single one of them

gas them
maim them

throw them out of helicopters

>>80924586
i'm not arguing otherwise, but i thought we were talking about capitalism?

>>80921245
Not really, he's a retard.

>>80924615
>>80924551
what did helicopters do to you?

>>80924590
>you are aware that there were other types of economic system before capitalism
yeah and they were a complete failure
you know what other theory was tested and turned out to be a failure?
socialism.

>people believed in the eternity of their non-capitalist systems?
I don't see another system possible that could replace capitalism.
The only way to move to another "system" is to get the government involved and we all know how terrible they are in managing resources.

>>80924590
You are aware that the other economic systems were based on there being LESS individual liberty?

>The most successful economic systems are the ones where individuals mutually consent to interacting with eachother

Things that make commies go HMMMMMMMM

>>80924426
Capitalism is not an ideology. No one forced it to happen. It's just the market.

Communism is forced artificial ideology. And the harder it fails every time, the more aggressively they force it.

>>80924670
>I don't see another system possible that could replace capitalism.
that's because you live inside your ideology, you are probably happy with it and think it's the only way possible.

capitalism is just a tool for organizing the economy, like all tools it will be upgraded.

>>80920798
Simon Pegg trying to shit on 'nerd culture' when it's the only reason he has a career is hilariously hypocritical. Interesting how he didn't have any concerns about 'infantilization' back when he got cast in the Star Trek remake

>>80924590

>you are aware that there were other types of economic system before capitalism

Actually there weren't.
Capitalism is literally the natural state of economics and commerce without interference by political mucking.
Capitalism is literally as old as commerce.

In 15,000 BC when Angolans first started using Obsidian as a medium of trade for other goods and services, it was a Capitalist model of commerce.

>>80924732
>that's because you live inside your ideology
lmao no not really
libertarians have actually questioned this system and any possibly system which can replace it

Notice how I explained WHY I don't think capitalism will be replaced by anything better?
Care you to respond to what I said?
Oh wait, you can't.

>you are probably happy with it
I'm happy we have capitalism(as the marxist definition of capitalism, private control over the means of production).
But what we want is FREE MARKET capitalism, where there is no central bank and prices come down all the time instead of up, and the working class is empowered by higher living standards which raise every year.

>like all tools it will be upgraded.
When why do all the so called "upgrades" result in complete failure?

>>80924705
But there isn't more individual liberty in capitalism.

>>80924590
>>80924825
Why do socialists constantly get BTFO by facts and logic on this website?

They're angsty 12 year olds that don't understand how the world works.
lmao they think surplus value is a thing they can get back
kek

>>80924825
>Capitalism is literally as old as commerce.
no dude, just no. open a book, read Wikipedia, talk to a teacher, just get your facts straight

Which did more damage to "nerd culture", The Big Bang Theory or the Marvel Cinematic Universe?

>>80922009
>infantilized americlap hours
what?

>>80924356

It literally does.

Capitalism by its nature embraces, stokes and encourages human innovation.

There's a reason the Industrial Revolution occurred in Capitalist countries and Communism only came to fruition afterward.

>>80924853
>But there isn't more individual liberty in capitalism.
But there is. It's the definition of individual liberty.

Die in a grease fire.
There NEEDS to be a constitutional BAN on social democratic and marxist political parties.

>>80924732
>CAPITALISM WILL FAIL AND BE REPLACED
Okay can you describe one single existing system that is more successful that capitalism?
>NO ITS GONNA BE THE FUTUUURE MAN ITS GONNA BE A BRAND NEW SYSTEM
Can you even hypothesize a possible replacement
>NO I CANT I HAVE NO IDEA WHATS BETTER BUT MARK MY WORDS ITS GONNA FALL
You're one of those faggots that tries to win arguments by saying as little as possible, even though he has absolutely nothing to contribute to a discussion.
>UHHH did i SAY that? NO I DIDNT SAY THAT SEE YOU'RE JUST PUTTING WORDS IN MY MY MOUTH GUESS I WIN AGAIN

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>>80921179
>>80921245
>>80923707

>>80924705
>Capitalism
>individual liberty

jej

>>80924891
>dude just read my propaganda sources and my marxist professor instead of well established historical data

Money, trade and court systems existed before the first states even formed, they also existed in medieval ireland and medieval iceland, also the american midwest.

>>80924923
but how can you explain that Scandinavian countries have higher economic mobility rates than USA?

>>80924897
the mcu is still watchable

>>80924923
>DUDE CAPITALISM IS ABOUT LIBERTY LMAO
>DUDE BAN POLITICAL OPINIONS I DON'T AGREE WITH LMAO

Listen to yourself

>>80924825
>exchanging goods is capitalism
nice, so communists are capitalists since they exchange their labour for other goods

>>80924891

>DUDE READ A BOOK

Please explain how I am wrong instead of just posting fragmented run-on sentences in pigeon-english.

>>80924841
>But what we want is FREE MARKET capitalism, where ... the working class is empowered by higher living standards which raise every year.
AHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

AHAH

>>80924960
>please enslave me comrade stalgin :D

>>80924970
kek because they're more free market than the USA is?
Because USA is a central bank shithole that doesn't produce anything.
If they adopted the euro, believe me they would be in the same disaster greece and spain are currently in.
Did you know Sweden was the most free market nation on earth for over 100 years? This is the main reason they have so much wealth.

What about Switzerland today, they're very very capitalist, private healthcare system and have higher living standards that Swedes do.

>>80925036
no, capitalism starts in the late 1700-early 1800, it's well known, if you don't agree you have to explain yourself

>>80925033

>exchanging goods is capitalism

Actually if you weren't a retard you'd know I didn't say that.

Capitalism is the exchange of goods where the market, i.e. supply and demand, determines the price, value and exchange-rate of goods and services rather than an intruding political body.

Tugg traded Ogg four bits of Obsidian for a turnip because that's what Tugg was willing to pay for the Turnip, which he was unable or unwilling to acquire at a lower price elsewhere.
That's called Capitalism.

>>80925025
I don't want to ban political opinions, just authoritarian parties from running in elections.

Your country probably bans nazi parties? right?

>>80925033
Nothing under communism is voluntary.

Trade under prestatist anarchy was mostly voluntary.

Simple question to the Commies on /tv/

Do you pay for your own movies and tv shows?

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>>80925156
>He thinks communism can exist without a state to enforce it

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>>80925133

>Capitalism only existed once people started referring to it by the English word "Capitalism".

Why are Commies so fucking stupid?

>>80925076
>he doesn't know a free market has DEFLATION instead of inflation
>he's LITERALLY this brainwashed
AHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

AHAH

>>80925133
>capitalism starts at this timeframe PERIOD
>totally ignore times in history where capitalism existed

>>80925160
yeah

>>80925191

>muh imaginary stateless society

Yeah, and how many times has that happened in history?

>>80925156
>I don't want to ban opinions, I just want to ban you from voicing that opinion in any way, shape or form
>I don't want authoritarians in politics, better prevent it in the most authoritarian way possible!

>>80925108
>kek because they're more free market than the USA is?
USA public/private sector: 25,1
Sweden tax burden: 44,5

can't you even wikipedia?

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>>80925191
No, I agree with this.

>>80925200
Because they have downs syndrome desu and need to be thrown out of helicopters.

>>80925108
>Please exploit me Mr. Rockefeller!

>>80925076
>he actually thinks the natural flow of capitalism is for increases in prices every year
holy fuck communists are actually this brainwashed

lol

>>80925276
uh i mean USA tax burden
typo

>>80924970

>Why are exclusively white countries with the population of one of the states in the US built on massive oil-reserves so rich?

>>80925304
Rockefeller dramatically increased living standards for the working class during the gilded age, the price of oil dropped dramatically and all during this time wages were rising while prices for all goods were dropping.

lmao

>>80925219
>yeah
Okay thanks for admitting that you're a Communist after dodging the question for the past hour

hmmmmm its almost like you're ashamed to admit it. I can't imagine why.

>>80925345
that's just Norway. why are Americans so ignorant lol. i guess private education is not so great uh?

Before capitalism there was feudalism and monarchy you libertarian mong

read a fucking history book instead of pol for once

>>80925261
>I just want to ban you from voicing that opinion in any way
You're allowed to voice your opinion any way you want.
You just aren't allowed to run for political office and apply your authoritarian policies to society.

>>80925276
Sweden would be even better if they had lower taxes on their people.
Sweden has lower regulations than usa, LOWER inflation, lower business regulation, lower corporate tax rate, LOWER government spending etc

>>80925419
>Sweden has LOWER government spending

Sweden: 51,2
USA: 41.6

if you guys stop browsing /pol/ and actually read a book, you could actually win sometimes

>>80925419
Hmm, limitations on political organisation and disenfranchisement based on differing ideologies? That sounds awfully authoritarian to me

>>80925276
Why is Switzerland better than Sweden in every way?

They're one of the most capitalist nations on earth and have PRIVATE healthcare.

HIGHEST local purchasing power on earth.

Wow really makes you think.

>>80925419
I can guarantee you have never been to Sweden

>>80925522
i like how you don't even reply to the USA-Sweden comparison
really makes you think

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>>80920798
>"A sweet-faced boy of twelve told me proudly that he had seen Star Wars over a hundred times? I said, 'do you think you could promise never to see Star Wars again?' He burst into tears. I just hope the lad, now in his thirties, is not living in a fantasy world of secondhand, childish banalities"
- Alec Guinness

I'm that boy

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>>80925497
That's pretty comparable.
Sweden is far more capitalist than USA is most other ways and has a lower corporate tax rate.

The fact Switzerland exists proves you wrong though

>>80925419
Wow get you facts straight, kiddo.

>>80925502
>banning violent authoritarian political ideologies from controlling your country and inflicting violence on other people is somehow authoritarian
no, it's not lol

>>80920798
>a bunch of washed up has-beens bitter at what's currently successful
Really makes you think

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Blame advertising and PR firms. No, seriously, they've screwed the modern world up worse than anybody.

>majority of economy is based on consumption of luxury (i.e. unnecessary) goods
>psychological trickery used to artificially create demand
>in particular, "lifestyles" are invented, which exploit people's need to belong
>people can then fulfil this need by purchasing goods that mark them as members of a given lifestyle

It really is an extraordinary system. No subculture is beyond monetisation. Everything from rap to punk to nerd, can be processed down and served up in flavourless bite-sized chunks you use to signal your individuality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ3RzGoQC4s

>>80925553
>i like how you don't even reply to the USA-Sweden comparison
but I did lol
they're more free market than USA and inflate their currency much less, if they were in the euro they would be a shithole like greece or spain

The fact they have a stable currency and a well developed free market is what they have going for them.

Switzerland destroys your delusions though.

>>80925581
what is even on the axis? i should really stop arguing with you pol/tards

>>80925654
>what is even on the axis?
corporate tax rates

>i should really stop arguing with you pol/tards
because you're an angry authoritarian that wants to control and harm other people and you constantly lose arguments

>>80925653
HOW ARE THEY MORE FREE MARKET THAN USA IF GOVERNMENT SPENDING (%) AND TAX BURDEN (%) IS MUCH HIGHER?!

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The innovation if any capitalism once possessed is gone, with no one left to challenge it after the fall of the soviet union, we are in the late stages of capitalism.
A world were there are only 6 corporations that control everything, the politicians serve the interests of lobbyist groups and oligarchs, the democratic party isnt in the union halls, they are in the sociology department at yale and gated communities of Hollywood.
The neoliberals do not believe there is such a thing as a society, this is why they are perfectly okay with the destruction of states, nations, peoples, the flooding of countries with cheap 3rd world slave labor.
It was bill clinton that signed nafta and outsourced all the jobs.
a democrat.
Liberals are so mad at trump, he will deport their maids, if trump deports Juanita, how else will the liberals wash their clothes and raise their kids!

>>80925553
not him but sweden isn't even that great of a place to live, they're like any other euro nation

also their welfare system is collapsing as we speak

you people can't use the sweden example anymore, it only proves you wrong

>>80925684
so you cherry picked on single indicator, ignore all others and you think you are right :)

>>80922011
Advanced industrial civilization survives thanks to easily exploited and abundant energy resources. Those resources are becoming more scarce and what remains is more difficult to extract. People sense that we live in a civilization bound for destruction and this has produced a mass infantile psychosis. Denial and fantasy is a coping mechanism. This is why so many people connect popular culture with current events. They want to retreat totally into fantasy. In other eras mass panic might have produced resistance, but in the 20th century the elites devoted themselves to crushing all competing ideologies. Now the public is almost completely pacified. None of the great leaders of history could do anything with the degenerated masses of today. Everything is judged by its entertainment value and all discipline or hierarchy has been rejected as totalitarian. This means that we are being led toward catastrophe by an elite which has no plan for the future. They can only manage the system day to day, they have no scheme for the energy scarce world of tomorrow. The starving masses will consume each other in a worldwide holocaust once we lose the energy resources which are the foundation of this society. There won't be mega cities because the population is set to plummet.

>>80925724
cool story bro, go back and pay your college debts now

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>>80925707
>when delusional leftists foolishly call the current central bank dominated world order "neoliberal"

to the helicopters with you

>>80925740
but it was you who cherry picked government spending as if it was the only indicator, while I showed you by most other metrics, they are more free market than USA

It's actually easier to start a business in sweden than usa

:^)

>>80925797
> doesn't understand central bank role in macro

>>80925581
By that metric shouldn't Hungary be a paradise?

>>80925797
>arbitrarily redefining words that have commonly-accepted meanings

>>80925782
>I don't have an argument
lol

>>80925835
>pretends central banks are "liberal" or "neoliberal" in any way shape or form


>>80925855
>we created these delusional meanings that make absolutely no sense so that means you have no abide by the

>>80925831
>by most other metrics
one indicator

kek

>>80920798
Alejandro is based as fuck

>>80925855
>muh neoliberalism
nobody cares about your delusional false meanings that were invented to distract from the real problems

>>80925883
>government regulations
>ease of business
>corporate tax rates
>property rights
>freedom to invest
>non-corruption
>free trade

>ONE INDICATOR

AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>80925874
>when somebody criticises a system you also dislike, so you decide to attack them over semantics

>>80925841
No because they have other problems.

>>80921317
One time in an interview someone asked Trent Reznor what he thought about people getting NIN tattooed on them and he said he felt like these days the trendier thing to do would be to not get a tattoo.

>>80925969
>when all you have is semantics so you get angry when others deconstruct your extremely flawed definitions
The word neoliberalism is the most bullshit term ever created. No wonder it was created by leftists.

>>80925958
not (You), but why are Scandinavian countries called social democratic if they are more free market than USA? I mean the welfare state that those countries have is clearly paid with money private entrepreneurs would spend differently, how can you argue against that?

>>80925958
>I demand you make a new word up because the current one triggers my autism for reasons I don't feel like going into right now

Okay, let's call US economic policy post-Raegan hreuizxftn:

The innovation if any capitalism once possessed is gone, with no one left to challenge it after the fall of the soviet union, we are in the late stages of capitalism.
A world were there are only 6 corporations that control everything, the politicians serve the interests of lobbyist groups and oligarchs, the democratic party isnt in the union halls, they are in the sociology department at yale and gated communities of Hollywood.
The hreuizxftns do not believe there is such a thing as a society, this is why they are perfectly okay with the destruction of states, nations, peoples, the flooding of countries with cheap 3rd world slave labor.
It was bill clinton that signed nafta and outsourced all the jobs.
a democrat.
Liberals are so mad at trump, he will deport their maids, if trump deports Juanita, how else will the liberals wash their clothes and raise their kids!

Now do you feel like actually responding to what that guy wrote?

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>>80925797

>>80926029
>but why are Scandinavian countries called social democratic
Because people like to overly simplify and lie about things?

Why do you think leftists call our current global fiat currency debt economy "neoliberal" when there's nothing liberal about it.

>>80925990
So when the data supports your narrative it's valid but when it contradicts it you can explain it away by handwaving to nebulous "other problems" as the reason?
Gee, that must make it really easy to argue!

>>80926075
so you propose to increase government spending in USA to free markets?

>>80926044
What that guy wrote still doesn't make sense.

>this is why they are perfectly okay with the destruction of states, nations, peoples, the flooding of countries with cheap 3rd world slave labor.
I support free markets and do not support this.

I dislike "nerd culture", but hasn't Simon Pegg been in quite many sci-fi and other "nerd" movies?

>>80920798
>make movies
>pretend you're changing the world and look down on those making banal entertainment
JUST

>>80926074
>when you make up statistics because you can't argue
The economic reforms in chile dramatically decreased the poverty rate and turned chile into (almost) a 1st world country.
Average wages rose there dramatically compared to the rest of latin america.

If pinochet didn't do what he did, chile would be a shithole like Cuba.

>>80926075
because capitalism is not really about liberty for everyone, but it's just a dictatorship by the rich rather than by a single party?

>>80926118
No?
Are you this bad at reading comprehension?

>>80926090
lmao my argument is that sweden is not social democratic

corporate tax rates are only one aspect of an economy

they have more government spending but the rest of their economy is more capitalist

>>80926191
the Chilean economic miracle is a hoax

>>80926197
>but it's just a dictatorship by the rich
I love when delusional leftists spew this bullshit.

>my living standards increase every year in a free market with no central bank and a naturally deflating currency
>I'M BEING EXPLOITED BY THE BOURGEOISIE
>THEY'RE A DICTATORSHIP

>>80926288
the Chilean economic miracle is a fact of reality

Compare Chile to other latin american countries

Compare it to Venezuela, compare it to Cuba.

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>>80926197
>but it's just a dictatorship by the rich
Why are teenagers allowed on this board?

>>80926343
http://leiterreports.typepad.com/blog/2006/12/did_pinochet_fo_1.html

>>80926388
>some guys blog
>some guys blog from 2006
lol

>>80926242
you know that both sweden and usa are capitalist economies, but one (sweden) is social democratic (aka it has a welfare state), while there other (USA) is liberal (aka it does not have a welfare state, or it has a small one)?

>>80926424
yeah you right, it's better to listen to a /tv/ rando kek

>>80926424
and btw it's not some guys blog, but you know nothing so why bother?

>>80926424
In 1973, the year General Pinochet brutally seized the government, Chile's unemployment rate was 4.3%. In 1983, after ten years of free-market modernization, unemployment reached 22%. Real wages declined by 40% under military rule.

In 1970, 20% of Chile's population lived in poverty. By 1990, the year 'President' Pinochet left office, the number of destitute had doubled to 40%. Quite a miracle.

holy kekkoroni

>>80926386
>Communism is to blame for food shortages in the USSR
>Capitalism isn't to blame for endemic starvation and poverty in the USA

>>80922009
>basically we don't think for ourselves and often use HP and SW to counter political commentary.


People like this should be evicted.

>Threat topic is about Nerd Culture and it's negative effects
>Thread turns into a proxy war between Communism and Capitalism

Is there no refuge from /pol/

>>80926555
ahah muh free market

>>80921612

The problem with this theory is that when you actually LOOK at modern society in relation to the rest of history you realize that we're actually more self-aware and independent now then at any other point in history.

You assert that infantile and low-quality entertainment is a form of economic control, but the average person is LESS subservient to the vagaries of the financial elite now, then before.

>>80926555
>This is what AnCaps actually want to happen

You could not make this up

>>80926670
They are mutually exclusive to one another. so of course this became a more politically shifted thread.

This shit is the reason why being "/pol/-like" is pretty popular nowadays
The /mu/ pasta puts it greatly "/pol/ is the new punk"
Looking the world in pragmatic lenses rather than the idealism of the liberals really makes you immune to ((them)) making you waste time and paying them while doing it
It's a huge waste of time if you put it on hindsight

>>80926670
>Discussion on contemporary culture
>Expecting no politics

>>80924552
>Communist society
>Money
>Artificial scarcity of any kind
This strawman doesn't work on any level .

>>80921452
I mean, twenty years ago, nerd culture was still driven by sales. They sold collectable figures, trading cards, and variant comics. Being a part of nerd culture isn't free.

It definitely did balloon when Hollywood got their mitts on it.

>>80925160
No I don't. I pirate basically everything

>>80926149
Yes, but there's a difference between nerd culture and nerdy movies. Nerd culture is an idea that anything nerdy is cool and awesome and defines one's life. One can easily watch the nerdy movies -- and even enjoy them -- and not be a part of nerd culture.

>>80926670
Nope. Everything is political nowadays for /pol/ unless it's video games.

>>80921317
>Pegg and guys like us were actual nerds, ostracized for this shit back in the day.

lmao. You were probably ostracized for being a faggot.

shit like X-Men and Spider-Man has always been cool, for decades. No sekrit club

>>80921382
Maybe your memory is bad sempai. Off the top of my head (I've watched these movies a max of two times)
>IM1
Tony Stark, a rich businessman, gets captured by terrorists, makes a suit, escapes, his buddy who helped him dies, he has shit in his chest. Improves his suit, decides to stop selling shit, but surprise his business partner turns into an evil jew and reuses the first suit. A fight happens and Stark wins.
>IM2
This is where I have issues, because the film was terrible. I believe Tony has an alcohol problem, there was a guy with 'burdz' who had electric whip things, and the main villain was someone Tony sued for stealing technology? The end fight scene involved Tony and his military buddy taking on a ton of robots.
>IM3
Tony has PTSD, his suits break, his girlfriend (wife?) leaves him, human bombs are blowing up everywhere, Tony befriends a kid, saves the day by fighting off a superhuman dude who Tony scorned as a kid.
>Thor
God of thunder gets demoted to mortal of Thunder, has to redeem himself as his dick brother tries to steal his place. In the end a warmachine is awoken, Thor redeems himself and fights.
>Thor 2
Didn't watch
>DD
Didn't watch
>BvS
Well, dumbass, Batman fought Superman, who was being set up by Lex Luthor to look evil, and who also set us up a bomb in a disabled guy's wheelchair (hid in lead so Supes couldn't see it). Wonder Woman investigates and is caught by Batman. Luthor uses the body of Zod to create a monster (forgot it's fucking name). Supes sacrifices himself to kill it.
>antman
Thief breaks into scientist's house, gets roped into a plan to save the scientist's company.
>dr strange
didn't watch.

Any self respecting adult who buys a vinyl pop figure regularize and non-ironically needs to be taken out, lined up against a wall firing squad style and executed.

Just a reminder there is NO such thing as 'cape kino'

>>80928073
If you were under 12, sure. Chad would kick your ass if he caught you reading capeshit at 16.
Childhood is hating Chad, adulthood is realizing he was right.

>>80926670
Nerd culture is a proxy war on modes of production.

>>80926657
>starving when mcchickens are $2 and have half the days calories

>>80929813
>Have to eat disgusting fast food to survive
> become obese
>Puts a larger burden on tax payers and the health care system
Wow real solution buddy

>>80921382
Except every SW film is memorable.

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>>80921382

All the hype goes into the advertisement or one scene they try to meme in a preview until you're sick of it, classic Disney tactic for their modern shows.

Case in point, the top ten grossing films also use this exact same formula and it's why they are the movie equivalent to fast food.

>>80924942
I can't think of anything more ironic than a Karl Marx brand Hamburger

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>It's a "alternative" directors pretend to be deep by shitting on the lowest tier of pop culture
Fuck you hypocrites.

>"Nerd culture is the product of a late capitalist conspiracy, designed to infantalize the consumer as a means of non-aggressive control."

Without Nerd culture he'd be have continued doing shit bit parts on sketch shows that everyone has long forgotten before he'd have to give up on his dreams and become a manager at a Costa coffee. He grew up in an era where some of the biggest computer games were produced by a couple of people above a chip shop and comics artists were barely scraping by.

He's a fucking ungrateful shit. But then, his university thesis was "A Marxist overview of popular 1970s cinema and hegemonic discourses" so maybe he's always been a brained-washed moron.

>>80931096
they're right though. the thing is, people think they're standing on a treestump screaming these things, trying to stop people from watching capeshit and the likes. no, reporters ask them their opinion and they give the obvious answer: Superhero movies aren't great "cinema". what do you want well-watched(or whatever you call it for films) people to say? I think McDonald's hamburgers taste great, but I would expect a food critic to be more discerning than I am.

the problem is that people think opinions are all equal, when really how much you know about a field gives your opinion more or less weight. if you've only seen 100 films in your entire life, you may think your favorite one is extraordinarily powerful, innovative, thoughtful, until you've seen four hundred more and realize your old favorite is actually, in the grand scheme of things, mediocre. most of them are experts of their media. you don't have to agree with them, but make sure you're not overestimating your own expertise when you disagree.

of course pegg being the exception

>>80920798

>“Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.”

― C.S. Lewis

CS Lewis was smarter and a better writer than any of the people in the OP

>>80931377
the last quote from lucas is basically the same sentiment

>>80931377
You do know that CS Lewis was very outspoken about wasting time with lower forms of art, right? If he was alive today he would undoubtedly hate this stuff and the culture surrounding it.

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>>80931687
What about the scenario where one doesn't get anything out of consuming "high art" , but pop culture shit gives him enjoyment and beneficial escapism?

>>80920798
>"Superman makes me vomit, Batman and all of that. That whole empire... this religion... It is so important that superheroes suffer... I don't give a damn, I shit on the United States."
- Alejandro Jodorowsky

literally /ourguy/

>>80931833
I'm not sure actually. Maybe Tolkien has something to say about that

>>80920942
This. Fuck Simon Pegg. He's a hypocrite and still stars in 'geek culture' types of movies.

>>80931445

I disagree, He's saying he writes for children and that it's not for adults, he's saying they shouldn't like it

>>80931687
I've only ever seen Lewis critical of bad writing rather than art forms and actual genres. Considering the variety of types of writing he's doesn't seem the type to get snobbish except over quality.

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>>80922423
This beats anything I've ever seen in a cringe thread. Dear lord.
Here is the lad's future.

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>>80923086
I think the problem these quotes are alluding to is: comic book movie are the most popular and successful genre of cinema at the moment. Let that sink in. Movies based on what began as children's books are now the main pull for cinema as a medium. Now, there's nothing wrong with watching a silly super hero film (I say silly because the vast majority don't even try to have something meaningful to say about anything except basic shit like "Love your kids" and "Sometimes bad thing causes good thing"), but the fact that this money printer of a genre is so fucking popular that it makes it hard to watch anything that isnt your typical dumbed down by-the-numbers action film, or sometimes your usual shitty romance or shitty horror flick, and most films with a vision or some sort of artistic merit struggle in the box office, is concerning to a degree. This is especially understandable coming from people like Iñarritu who, like him or not, sees his films as vehicles for showcasing the human experience. Hope that made sense somehow.

>>80920798
Well, you can't win

>star wars is kiddie
>admit you like it
>get called kiddie
>lose your temper
>throw a tantrum

It's got a little something for everyone in them, but they are meant to be enjoyed by children, except Episodes I, II and III

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>>80922423
I wonder how Dovhakiin is doing, what kids in school call him

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>>80932646
theaters have been about making money, they're going to show what will bring in the most dollars, they just don't care about artistic vision or intent, which is fine.

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>>80932886
Sure, 100% with you on that. The concern is with the audience, who ends up curating what's shown in theatres by voting with their wallets and watching all this Disney-Marvel slime that keeps being made . The Nice Guys was a popular recent case. Sure, not exactly a cinematic masterpiece for the ages, but a film focused on character interaction that raises the stakes with character development and not with big dumb setpieces and, sadly, that's something fresh to see made these days. And it ate shit at the box office for not having Captain America on the poster, not even based Goose and Crowe, who gave good performances, could save it from failing. Bad sales means less chances films like these, uninfluenced by current cinematic trends, get made, which mean less films are made with vision first. Cinema as an industry should strive for the opposite, but it's getting more and more profitable to just appeal to the masses and play it safe and boring.

>>80932886
>batman is still getting adapations
>star trek too
>indiana jones too
>and ghostbusters
>and karate kid

looks like the past is the future. Can't wait for Honey, I Shrunk the Kids remake, I'm sure it's going to be fucking great.

>>80934605
>the mom is the super genius inventor
>her husband is black
I can see it now

>>80921612
This is impressively stupid. You're the smartest guy here huh? Faggot.

Nerdism is just consumerism with added tribal identifiers.

>>80920942
This, how ironic is that. Isn't Simon Pegg basically the epitome of nerdy faggot hipster culture. He plays a major role in fucking Star Trek and the trilogy he's best known for starring in is about ebin zombies and aliens and shieet. Unless his definition of nerdy just conveniently avoids anything which he associates himself with.

Art should provoke not pander.

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>you're a nerd
>get made fun of
>think you're superior to everybody else even though you don't make good grades and have no friends
>you just like some gay kid shit

>you're a nerd
>nerds are cool now
>mad that everybody is now nerdy and likes the things you used to
I guess all along you were really a hipster with bad taste.

>>80935376
He realizes you chumps are easy money. If you cnanot beat the jew what else is there to do but join him and skim off the top?

>>80924225
Iron Man is easily the best one, if you didn't like it you've missed nothing

>>80935469
I'm going to marry a jewish woman, take her last name, convert to judaism, and get circumcised for her so I can start making shekels.

>>80921499
Biggest retard in the thread

movies went to utter dogshit long before capeshit was a thing

cinematic artistry died in a loud and extremely stylish explosion of gaudy commercialism in the 80s

it was glorious but at the same time the death of artistic mainstream movies which were the norm in the decades beforehand

nowadays "movies" are nothing but the deformed rape baby of videogame cutscenes and music videos. 400 cuts in a 30 second fight scene are normal and shaky cam is an actual thing instead of something that is to be avoided.

>>80935891
I like to think you can get somebody 20 years older, and they'll move the dates 20 years back, and say the same things. changing a little bit, but keeping the spirit of "things were best when I was a kid"

>>80929688
>Kicking your ass for reading the things you like and enjoy
>right

Nope.

>>80922606

I think he means movies where the characters are constantly explaining the plot literally tru dialogs.

>>80935947
70s cinema was artistic as fuck and I didn't grow up in the 80s, I wish I had but it was all 90s for me and the 90s sucked hard.

It's not based on nostalgia at all, it's just an objective observation.

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>>80925626
Damn that sounds about right anon. Would you by any chance know of some reading that would further expanded upon the things you said?

>>80928564
Different plot , same formula

>>80935947
You're right in general, but I don't know about this specific case. I mean, when is the last time a blockbuster action flick came out that wasn't riddled with narrative and tonal issues? How about an actual artistic style?

Occasionally there are some good indie/art films, but hollywood is pretty fucking dead

>>80920854
How exactly?

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>>80924726
>Capitalism is not an ideology. No one forced it to happen. It's just the market.

MY GOD

>>80921579
Look there, it's a Pinochet/Videla pedophile

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>>80922445
Pedophile detected

>>80922624
That the democrats constantly compare Harry Potter to the election was the biggest sign to me that people are off the deep end of infantilization.

At least with Star Wars there would be a more fitting background since its nerdy lore is at the core about politics and world changing history while the strongest connection Harry Potter has to the referenced person is either that they are "good" or "evil" in the broadest strokes imaginable.

>>80922445
Before McCarthy actually.

>>80937349
are those parrotts making love?

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I hope none of you retards vote

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>>80936476
Not him but, read the society of the spectacle and the theory of the leisure class.

>>80937645
Thank you. I've those names saved to an ever growing list of books I've got to get through.

>>80922423
i saw this picture without any con(green)text and the first thing that came to my mind was the word "Degenerate". Anime, HP and SW are on the same level of degeneracy