>ROTJ Vader suit What went wrong?

Rogue One made me realize that Vader looks like shit.

They got lazy with the costumes. Beside the Catholic cardinal looking guys, they fucked up all the uniforms just have the same fucking ranks

>>80868982
This. It's just some cripple in a weird suit. Fuck the obsession over this guy.

The actually cool-looking character is Grievous.
https://youtu.be/IRZjfxDgbDw

>>80868982
lucas is truly shit tier when it comes to pretty much everything, especially character design.
Daily reminder that he intended General Grievous to be the Vader of the prequels, so much so that he gave him asthma. Lucas thought by giving a bad guy more breathing problems, more metal parts, and more lightsabers he could create another iconic bad guy. what an absolute faggot.

>>80869046
If he has given in to the dark side there is no reason why he wouldn't abandon the flesh and embrace full cyborg

>>80869107
Kino

>>80869107
Vader is a pretty big guy

>>80869075

Grievious was cool... but Lucas did fuck all to depict his coolness and turned him into a sissy villain that ran away all the time.

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>>80869142
For Luke.

The more I look at Vader the dumber the design is. Honestly if I had never seen it before and you just showed it to me it just looks like... I don't think I'd even be able to read it. It's so pointless and dumb.
Wtf I hate Vader now.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVzc20Bm8Xo

>>80868948

It was made thirty years before iphones existed by a wardrobe staff attempting to envision what a futuristic life support suit would look like.

It looked futuristic, scary, and cool in 1977.
It doesn't look like any of those things now.
They can't change it because like 70% of the star wars media made in the last twenty years predate Episode VI, where it looked the same. So they are stuck.

If they had freedom, which they will with the inevitable reboot, they would design something that looked futuristic, scary, and cool which would also look like none of those things thirty years from now.

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>>80869148
Grievous isn't badly designed, he's badly executed as a character.

>>80869148
>>80869213
>Grievous is a coward that runs away from his problems
That's the point.

>>80868948

>ROTJ isnt the best design

Rogue one looks awful

>>80869324
https://youtu.be/WIj7gIDFDe4
It was a decided departure from his real capabilities since he was probably seen as too strong. It was Windu that put him in such a weakened state. Although this series is so raring to call this and that non-canon it's hard to say what explanations you can rely on anymore.

>>80868948
Maybe I'm blind, but except for some minor button changes, they all look practically the same.

>>80868948
yep, still looks like a space SS officer uniform
I don't see a problem

>>80869181

I think it works fine in the original movies since he's surrounded by technology that looks a lot like him (like all the computer terminals on imperial ships). I haven't seen Rogue One but I have to imagine it's jarring to see him in environments that are far more modern looking.

>>80868948
r1 vader looked like someone cosplaying

>>80869802
because it was Kylo the whole time

>>80869420
Grievous was made for ROTS though. George gave Genndy the Greivous designs with no info other than he's a villain droid general.

>>80869420
Not canon.

>>80869755

What was weird was seeing episode III go from ultra futuristic looking prequel aesthetic to 80's scifi in the last scene with Vader in the suit.

>>80869868
who cares it was better than that computer cartoon show

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>>80869142
>>80869165
Meming aside, Vader is actually supposed to be about 6'8" and 300 pounds in his suit.

>>80869880
George Lucas can never redeem himself for this

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I saw the original TESB suit on display a few months back. Even in as rough a shape as it is, it still looks towering and impressive in real life.

BTW, modern costume and concept designers don't have SHIT on Ralph McQuarrie. There's a reason why so much of the Star Wars aesthetic has stood the test of time.

>>80869880

I felt the exact same way. They could have given him a proto-Vader look to match the look of those movies. Would have meant more toy sales too, right? Instead it just highlighted how outdated Vader's appearance is.

>>80869954
Well duh he sold the rights to Disney, dummy.

>>80870006
It's all.ost as a man poured his heart and soul into his craft

Unlike today where an army of 18 year old chink CGI artists make everything

>>80869075
The point of Grievous was to foreshadow Vader's eventual cybernetic augmentations, the way the Emperor's other minions, Darth Maul and Count Dooku, foreshadowed other aspects of who Anakin would become. He was never supposed to "match" Vader in terms of pop-cultural impact.

>>80869912
Is it weird that a pixilated stretched video makes me immediately know it is the plane scene from the dark knight rises?

that's when I know I've been here too long

>>80868982
>>80869046
I actually found Vader terrifying in Rogue One and I am not talking about his final scene but his scene at Mustafar actually made him fearful.

>>80870876
>I actually found Vader terrifying in Rogue One
seek help faggot

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Vader still looks menacing and every bit as cool as he did in ANH. You guys are literally autistic faggots crying about how "outdated" he looks. Gimme a fucking break. That look is fucking iconic and thanks to Rogue One it fucking scares people again.

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>>80870994
>it fucking scares people again.

>>80870876
t.cuck

I would just shout Padme and watch him cry the little anakinfaggitboy

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>>80870994
>crying

>literally autistic faggots
>gimme a fucking break
>fucking fucking raaaaaaaah

>>80871032
Can't argue with facts buddy. Kids were fucking screaming in front of me during that last scene i the theater. It may not scare a basement dweller like you but it DOES scare people you dumb faggot

>>80868948
This is just differences in lightIng. If you care at all about this your fucking gay nerd

>>80868948

I hate to sound like a hipster or something, but at least in that picture i think his Episode IV suit looks the best. Rogue One tried to be the same suit, but it looks off, maybe because it's so shiny i don't know.

>>80871069
>Kids
> scare people
small children don't count you fucking retard

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>>80871046
try saying Padme around Lord Vader and be prepared to have your body crushed you pissing in pants faggit

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>>80870855

It's the colors. I've seen this crap so many times my grandkids will have genetic memories of the plane scene haha.

>>80870855
Same.

That colour pallete tho

you know it probably really sucks when you realize that Star Wars will always be a successful franchise with Darth Vader being one of, if not the most, recognizable character in cinema history. Meanwhile you losers circle jerking about your disdain for the new stuff will be pruned off this website and forgotten in less than a day. Stay sad. Stay mad. Fuck /tv/.

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>>80870994
>and thanks to Rogue One it fucking scares people again
wew

>>80871146
>Star Wars
>children don't count

Holy fuck you are stupid.

>>80868948
is Darth Vader Asian in Rebels? His mask looks like a shitty samurai knockoff

>>80871247
>i wasn't scared so nobody was

Wrong buddy. Can confirm with >>80871069
took my nephew to see it. He has a bad habit of chewing on his shirt when he gets nervous or anxious. In the less than 2 minutes that scene lasted he had put a wet spot on his shirt bigger than any I have ever seen

>>80871249
children aren't mature enough to understand the deep, mature themes that are in R1

>>80868948
The rebels Vader looks absolutely retarded.

>>80871363
I can't imagine how he delt with the beginning of saving private ryan

>>80868948

Ep 3 was the worst. The shape of his helmet is all wrong.

>>80871069
>Kids were fucking screaming in front of me
Were you in the autistic showing?

>>80871249
i'd bet anything there were more 25 year olds than 5 year olds in every screening

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>>80871319
>>80871413

>>80868948
The picture of the ROTJ suit here isn't the actual movie suit, it's a cheap replica from some costume website.

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>>80871458

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>>80869755

Rogue One lives in the 70s though. They even use rear screen projection and built props out of old junk and stuff. The look of it is incredibly faithful to the old movies, especially ANH.

>>80871319
>His mask looks like a shitty samurai knockoff
Never thought about that, but seeing how much inspiration George Lucas has taken from old samurai movies that's probably not unreasonable.

>>80871541

It's not just unreasonable, it's well known that Vaders look was based samurai. Though originally it was just his space suit and not walking life support.

>>80871541
>Never thought about that
how young are you? was tfa your first star wars?

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>>80871521

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>>80871458

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>>80871606

>>80868948
>rogue one vader
kek, could buy that outfit at toys r us

>>80871606
Why is there a black xwing?

>>80871454
Obviously, you know a lot of 5 year olds that go watch movies without adults?

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>McQuarrie’s earliest sketches depict a man similar to Valorum or General Vader from the first draft, being tall and with a flowing cape, however a distinguishing feature is that the character wears what looks like a sort of futuristic gas mask over his face. McQuarrie explains that it is a personal respirator, because the character had to cross through space from the Imperial Star Destroyer to the rebel cruiser. “Early in the script there was a description of Vader crossing between two ships in space so I created this mask so he could breathe in space,” McQuarrie explains. “George loved it.”

And yet, George loves to lie and claim that he'd always intended to have the ol' "Vader needed a life support suit because I'd always intended him to be a tragic, fallen Jedi who was secretly Luke's father".

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>>80871661

One of the early trailers had captured X-Wing pilots being marched through Jedha by Stormies. I guess its a relic of cut footage.

>>80871664
if you're going to claim people are scared of vader and then go on to claim you just meant little kids because you come off like a moron you should just let it go anon

>>80871710
Neat. What else was cut out?

>>80871710
so much of the trailers wasn't even in the movie, disney is so full of shit

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>>80871725

Originally Vaders introduction was totally different.

When Krennics bitching and moaning at Tarkin stealing his Death Star he actually pulls a gun on him. The gun flies out of his hand and into Vaders whos suddenly revealed. Krennic starts trying to suck up to Vader about "muh death star powah" before being shut down for being a whiny bitch.

Basically the same scene as the lava castle but everyones around to see it instead.

>>80871661
>t-38 trainer

>>80871725

A fuck ton. Gareth Edwards shoots so many alternate takes and scenes you could almost cobble them into an entirely different movie. Like originally everyone survived (except K2). You have all that footage in the trailer showing them running across the beach with the Death Star plans, Jyn facing down that tie fighter etc.

>>80871775
what a pointless scene. I thought they should have introduced vader only at the end.

i mean come on, at this point everyone knows about vader. why do you need such a force fucking "intro" scene anyway?

and the quip?

>>80871733

That infamous shot of Jyn turning around in the Imperial gear was shot just for the trailer. Apparently Edwards saw her turn on set when the lights were being set up and thought it looked perfect. So they had her do it again with the cameras rolling. She asked what the footage was going to be used for and he just said he didn't know.

He's always filming stuff just in case.

The new Star Wars movies are really boring, couldn't even bear to finish watching the newest one. Lots of characters and a story line no one gives a shit about.

>>80871830

Vaders always had a sense of wit. He's never been an emotionless robot. Theres usually at least one scene per movie of him displaying a dark sense of humor.

>>80869894
>overpowered one dimensional character
>better

>>80871850
>was shot just for the trailer.
That's fucking dishonest and pathetic, edwards should hang his head in shame.

>>80871885

Boo hoo

>>80870994
Stop posting faggot

>>80871871
don't get me wrong, vader's point is well taken, but apparently it was pointless because Krennic didn't seem to learn anything anyway.

which i think you might be more inclined to reconsider your objectives after vader chokes you and literally warns you not to choke on your ambitions.

I guess Krennic was some kind of tragic hero(?)

>>80871875
the anakin stuff from the original clone wars cartoon was very good

>>80871661
Someone painted it.

>>80871714
Like I said, facts don't lie. People were scared. There are personal attests to this out there. Get fucked and stop thinking everyone thinks like you nigger.

>>80871909

It shows us what an ambitious (and sort of delusional) little cunt Krennic is. That smile after Vader releases him. He doesn't learn a thing even after having his ego slapped down by an evil space wizard.

>>80870994
this
this sequence was literally menacing. I felt a feeling i hadn't feeled in a long time

that is to say, fear. imagine the rebel marines, they have no chance and its fucking darth vader come to kill you, what a nightmare

>>80871069
No one believes that pinhead

>>80871946

Edwards applying his cockteasing Godzilla style to Vader was the best thing he could have done. The way the door closes on his slaughter with 2-3 rebels trapped with him. Fug.

>>80871708
I don't know how you got to that conclusion you dumb fuck. George DID always intend for Vader ot be a tragic character and then when he was shown that dumbass "space mask" idea he turned it into something cooler.

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>>80871775

nother shot

>>80871904
no you cry baby nigger

>>80871934
>facts don't lie
>People were scared
you and the other anon have both only claimed it was kids and while kids are people. 99% of people including children were not scared. maybe you're just really weak little faggot, were you scared anon?

>>80871934
It's not a fact though, it's just your autistic ramblings. I went to multiple viewings with plenty of kids in each showing and not once did anyone scream or get scared. Seriously stop posting

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>>80872001

And another.

I guess they cut this because it's retarded to think Vader would let this slide.

the fact that it's different for each one pisses me off

>>80872022
>>80871946
HAHA
Fuck you.

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>>80872017
>grown man scared of a pg villain in a disney movie
>calls others baby nigger

>>80872035
>No kids screamed or were scared when I saw it

How you summarize that to meaning that scene didn't scare anyone is fucking stupid. It's like denying world hunger exists because you have plenty of cheetohs to munch on while being an autistic cunt on 4chan

Why does he have beepers and boopers on his chest?

>>80872071
never said it scared me buddy but nice damge control. Keep grabbing at straws dumb nigger

>>80872101
you're just a bitch anon, a pathetic bitch, a star wars movie was too much for you

>>80872140
whatever bitch nigger

>>80872132
perhaps you should stop referring to a couple of sheltered kids as "people" like you're referring to the general audience

>>80868982
>>80869046
>>80869172
>>80869181
>>80871032
>>80871046
if you faggots were dragged screaming from your homes into the street and beaten to death with a crowbar the world would be a better place

>>80872201
relax disney fag, everyone doesn't have to share your opinion

>>80872183
general audience members did get scared though. If you did any kind of reading up on it you would know this. But this is /tv/ and you autistic manchildren are the absolute authority on movies tv

>>80872176
what are some other movie characters you're afraid of anon?

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>there are people on /tv/ that liked the 'badass' vader scene

>>80872242
hello pot meet kettle

>>80872247
source?

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>>80872247
>general audience members did get scared though
do you have some evidence to support that anon?

>>80872260
just that porno featuring your mom queer

>>80872247
Yes and the audience at SXSW shrieked in terror at the new IT trailer. You're a little fucking idiot who buys into shilling. Not a soul screamed or gasped at my showing.

>>80868948

Why isn't there any pictures from Episode 1 and 2?

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>>80872311

>>80872337
maybe because they were SILENCED by terror?

jesus why are you such a dumb ass?
>muh star wars
>scared
>lol

jesus kiddo

>>80872302
>can't do a simple internet search

consider suicide

>>80868948
All of them look ugly, outdated and stupid.
Anybody saying otherwise is a dumb fanboy.

>>80872378
nice facts

>>80872302
>>80872305
I literally found tons of forums/review sites in liess than a minute where people talk about that scene being scary you fucking retards

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>>80872001

>this guy is a fucking idiot

>>80872425
don't bother, you're arguing with the 4chan dumbass brigade

>>80872425
post it anon

>>80872425
post one

>>80872359
Why would they be silenced by terror? Everyone loves Darth Vader. Even most little kids know all about the big guy. Him waving a lightsaber around in a dark hallway isn't frightening or disturbing. Give it a rest.

Darth Bane > Vader

That doesn't mean I don't like Vader, I just think that Darth Bane is better.

I liked the redesigned Bane suit. It gives me hope of an old republic series

>>80872490
i guess YOU weren't impressed by this sequence

raises the question of what vader could have done that WOULD have been menacing, from your perspective, since apparently slaughtering helpless rebel alliance crew at the climax of the movie had no impact on your spongelike 15 year old brain.

>>80871775
Vader was not fond of Tarkin, he would probably let Krennic kill him so Vader can take over more easily like he did in ESB

Glad they cut this, though the replacement scene was pointless

>>80872447
>>80872452
fuck you. How about you go find me evidence supporting your argument of "nobody was scared of that scene" Good luck with that

>>80872595
nah this is waaay more fun
if it's so obvious, you only need to do one thing to shut us up

>>80872570
Vader worked for Tarkin. a huge portion of the galactic empire command staff probably got blowed up on the death star, so Vader was just left alone to do whatever he wanted, which of course meant doing what the emperor told him. if palpatine hadn't come to the second death star personally he probably would have appointed some other grand moff to run it anyway.

>>80872626
I don't have to do shit. You're wrong. I'm right. You know that or you would be doing something besides shit posting.

>>80872656
I know nothing without your so called evidence
just one little link can vindicate you

>>80872595
Why would anybody besides some reddit-tier hipster subhuman or a woman be "scared" of that?

I mean, most boys and young adults would be enthusiastic if anything.

The scene was good, not in the sense of terrifying but in the "just cool" sense, but the suit is still shit, it's a 70's futuristic "big blue-red blue buttons" crap. We are still attached to it for nostalgia but it hasn't passed well the test of time.

>>80868948

Only nerds watch Star Trek anymore.

>>80872530
Hmmm how would he be menacing? I don't know. All he did was kill a few redshirts. We got half a movie of the main characters killing redshirts by the dozen. Why are you acting like Darth Vader is your religion?

>>80872697
>needs a link to verify that other people exist that don't share his opinion

You are either really self-absorbed or littered with extra chromosomes. Probably the latter.

>>80869107
Red guars are fucking based

It's a shame we never see them do anything

>>80869046
>The actually cool-looking character is Grievous.

Boba Fett is the best looking Star Wars character.

>>80872595
you made a claim you can't back up while also claiming you have proof that you won't post

>>80872756
so now it's an opinion, not a fact?
very convenient considering all this evidence you aren't providing for your silly claims

>>80872789
If people found it scary then yes, it is their opinion that it is scary. An opinion that differs from yours. What you are arguing though is that the scene is not scary. What you are doing is trying to pass your opinion off as fact. This is something that imbecile retards do. I am merely pointing out that since people do not share your opinion that the scene is not scary, then it is impossible for your opinion to be fact.

Are you really fucking dumb or are you trolling me here? I can't believe I'm having to explain your own dumbass argument to you

>>80872906
post those links faggot

>>80872778
>>80872789
Im not that guy, i just read this thread, you guys are seriously either fucking retarded or teenagers. Vader was the biggest thing about the movie, he seemed menacing everytime he was in(except the worthless shit joke he did) and yeah he seemed scary. He's a fucking 6'5 robot cripple wizard dude. Saying "ehh he didnt scare me prove it xD" just tells you're trying too fucking hard.

Godfucking damnit /tv/ i really seriously hate this shithole sometimes

>>80872948
this

>god damn these 14 year olds tick me off

>>80872935
>>80872935
see >>80872756

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>>80869165

>>80872981
why bother claiming you had them in first place anon?

>>80872948
You do realise this was a PG rated disney movie you're claiming you were afraid watching?

>>80872964
I'm sure you shit your pants in terror watching your friend play Halo too kid

>>80872906
you're, in truth, trying to pass off opinion as fact, as seen here>>80871934
myself and others have asked for proof to this claim
you have failed to provide any such proof
why should I be persuaded by a liar such as yourself?
>>80872948
vader was in the movie for only about five minutes, at most
hardly the so called 'biggest thing'

>>80873032
I don't have anything. Google has them and it took me 15 seconds to find them. You can't help the helpless. This isn't some in-depth scienctific argument where citing your sources is absolutely required. You are literally just too dumb to do anything yourself, so no, no sources for you because I am deriving to much pleasure watching your initial argument fall to pieces as you beg for links. It's like a rebel trooper helpess on the ground before Vader. The trooper is wishing for him to sink the lightsaber into his chest so the ordeal is done with and death can release him of the fear holding onto him. But Vader can sense the cowardly trooper's fear and doesn't bring death, but looks at him and rejoices at the man's desperate pleas for mercy .

this whole thread is a testament to the folly of trolls trolling trolls

>>80873141
I hope you'll get raped to death. I sincerely wish this.

Fuck this thread and fuck all of you, im out

>>80872570

Vader might have not held him too highly, but Sheev did. In fact, Tarkin was one of the few people who knew Palpatine's real name.

>>80873163
Man all that bullshit just for you not to cite your source. You're real boring, you know that?

>>80873163
cringiest thing I've read all week, congrats

>>80873217
thanks for playing, anon

>>80873223
It was masterful and you know it.

>>80871708
>artistic collaboration is bad

>>80871363
Make him stop you cunt

>>80871363
how old is he?

>>80869107
You can't front on the Empire.

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>>80869107

>>80872001

>muh aspirations

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>>80869075
*removes limb*

>>80874671
I hate how the Empire became white supremacist nazis instead of the evil neo-British Empire they were portrayed to be in ANH.

>>80874854
Well, the New Order seems to be an allegory for the Nazi Party post-Germanic Empire

>>80871541
He even asked Toshiro Mifune to play Vader originally

>>80874854

>Empire
>Ever not spess Nazis

Ok.

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>>80869420
This scene was fucking badass.This dude could actually wield three sabers without looking retarded. pic related.

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>>80869046
General Grievous is shit. Admiral Bone-to-pick is where it's at

>>80869178
This and the Nerd Crew videos are the holy trinity of RLM kino

>>80869046
>le coughing droid
Grievous is a fucking joke of a character, and I'm not just talking about his ridiculous name that sounds like something a 7-year old would come up with

>>80870876
The voice was fucked. James Earl Jones was a mistake, he just doesn't have it anymore.

>>80874961
Hadn't thought of it that way, I'll let this one slide JewJew.

>>80868948
Man, could they not keep continuity with the suit

>>80872201
Found the Disney fag