S Y M B O L I S M

>>80833779
What's the symbolism here?

>A demon of the night standing on top of a demonic statue
What it mean?

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>>80835204
>>80833779
>everything is symbolism

no.

He's just the motherfucking batman.

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SO MUCH SUBTLETY

He's standing on a gargoyle at night
Gargoyle is derived from the old French word for gargling
Snyder is implying Batman is a gargler of the night i.e. a prostitute

>>80835518
top jej

Is this BLACKED.com reference?

>>80833779
>symbolism for babies

>>80835449

Reminder that there are people on this planet retarded enough to think scenes like that one are good.

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Fuck you, I liked it.

>>80835714
Why is it bad?

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>>80835441

>>80835791
Because it's not subtle at all.

>>80835830
Why should it be subtle? It looks good.

>>80835791
Stained glass raped my father.

>>80833779
snyder has bad taste in music though

>>80835936
Snyder said he doesn't make the trailers.

Here's a quote about symbolism from Tarkovsky himself:

>"I am an enemy of symbols. Symbol is too narrow a concept for me in the sense that symbols exist in order to be deciphered. An artistic image on the other hand is not to be deciphered, it is an equivalent of the world around us. Rain in Solaris is not a symbol, it is only rain which at certain moment has particular significance to the hero. But it does not symbolise anything. It only expresses. This rain is an artistic image. People always try to find "hidden" meanings in my films. But wouldn't it be strange to make a film while striving to hide one's thoughts? An image cannot be a symbol in my opinion. Whenever an image is turned into a symbol, the thought becomes walled in so to speak, it can be fully deciphered. A symbol contains within itself a definite meaning. An image — as opposed to a symbol — is indefinite in meaning. One cannot speak of the infinite world by applying tools that are definite and finite"

>>80835859
no, it really doesn't

and it has no place in the plot of the film, Snyder just wanted to pander to bible belt morons

He looks so fat lol

He is standing in Superman dead corpse

>>80836106
>bible

You are such a pleb

Ben is the best on-screen Bats yet.

RT confirmed ran by Disney.

>in b4 DC wojack

Fuck yall

>>80835204
It symbolizes DARKNESS

It symbolizes THE NIGHT

It symbolizes... BATMAN!!!!

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>>80833779
based

>>80835830
There's nothing wrong with it in itself, just the inevitable praise it'll get from edgy teens and early twenty-something's who'll hold this up as an example of high art later down the line when the rest of the film leaves much to be desired.

>>80836577
RT is in fact part-ownder by Warner Bros.

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Who's better, Zach 'Symbolism' Snyder, or Chris 'One Take' Nolan?

>>80837037
Depends on what you want, although Snyder has had better stories on average while nolan has stories that are riddled with plot holes but look good if you only watch the movie once.

Snyder has great rewatch value, nolan has so little.

so little, in fact, that a meme about this very fact has persisted on this board for five years and three months now.

>>80837037
1 unique performance of The Joker carries the reputation of an entire trilogy. Nolan fucking sucks as a writer and director. If he was at least good at one of those things I would understand the praise his Batman flicks get.

>>80837189
>1 unique performance of The Joker carries the reputation of an entire trilogy
and that's because he fucking died.

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>>80833779

wow, Zack really knows his stuff.

1 shekel deposited into your account

>>80837116

>Snyder has had better stories on average
wrong

>Snyder has great rewatch value
wrong again

Fuck Nolan and your precious meme Snyder

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>>80836106
I was about to get into a potentially intelligent discussion but yeah, you lost all credibility.

>>80837353
>wrong
>wrong

fuck off, give me a reeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaasoooooonn

>>80836044
Who?

>>80836541
>>80837366

do you children seriously not know DC showed Man of Steel to various christian groups before the premiere...

you didn't find it odd that Clark visited a church in the middle of the movie and had a long talk with a priest for no good reason?

>>80837422
The founder of 4chan

>>80837523
>for no good reason?
>t. retard

>m-muh christians watched it hence it is le bad XD

>>80837189
except the dialogue and plot structure in TDK trilogy makes Snyder's films look like autistic garbage

>>80837554
triggered a christfag

>>80837587
>except the dialogue and plot structure in TDK trilogy makes Snyder's films look like autistic garbage
No, they are both very tonally different films.

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HE STOLE FROM MILLER AGAIN
BAHAHAHA

>>80837422
I hope this is bait

>>80837587
>dialogue and plot structure
>dialogue and plot structure in a Nolan movie is something of merit

wew lad

>>80837554
You are aware that the main point Snyder wanted to make is Superman=Jesus right?

It's basically shoved in your face

>>80837681
>It's basically shoved in your face
so what?

>>80837116
>although Snyder has had better stories on average while nolan has stories that are riddled with plot holes
Are you implying MoS or BvS had no plotholes?

>Snyder has great rewatch value, nolan has so little.
According to who? I rewatched BB and TDK, they still look great, some flaws here and there. I can't watch BvS without getting half sleep.

>>80837829
>Are you implying MoS or BvS had no plotholes?
yes

>>80837829
>According to who?

me.

>I rewatched BB and TDK, they still look great, some flaws here and there.

They have gaping fucking plot holes and shit-tier shot continuity. Also batman kills a fuckton of people.

>I can't watch BvS without getting half sleep.
You're retarded and have no taste for good movies.

>>80837037
TDKR was bad because Nolan was depressed about Ledger, he was phoning it in

>>80837037
Snyder doesnt count as a director at this point, he makes flicks that look good visually. Nolan at least has a vision. Not a fanboy either.

>>80837189
Fucking bullshit, TDK was great in so many other aspects

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>>80837422
Movies for white people
don't worry about it

>>80837912
Even the biggest masterpieces have some flaws and plotholes my friend, anyone who thinks otherwise is a mindless fanboy drone.

>>80838182
Name a few plothols in MoS and BvS, then.

>inb4 Martha

If you don't get that, you're a retard.

>Snyder has done more visually in 45 seconds of trailers than marvlel has done in 100 hours of flicks

Wow, really activates the third eye. How can marveldrines recover from this?

Hopefully the bitching about the last 2 misunderstood kinos didn't ruin this one.

>>80838210
I bet you have heard them all already but you're in total denial.

For example, why is Superman at the Russian manned rocket launch?
Why does batman say to superman "I thought she was with you?" when he clearly knows exactly who she is and that she is not with him.
Is it just a quippy marvelshit like line which should generate laughter or?

>>80838165
That's right. No blacks allowed.

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Who here sends a pic of SnyderJesus to snyder daily on twitter?

I do.

>I am so smart because I like garbage
Why is this STILL allowed?

>TDKR
>Batman is a Christ symbol
>Man of Steel
>Superman is a Christ symbol
>BVS
>They're both Christ symbols
>people actually like these movies

>>80836044
Tarkovsky was a hack, I'm glad he's dead.

>>80838291
>I bet you have heard them all already but you're in total denial.

lmao, give some proof before making assumptions, faggot.


>For example, why is Superman at the Russian manned rocket launch?
Saving people, DUH. He was there in Mexico, wasn't he? It's not like he heard it or anything, he saw it on the news. Crahsing rockets is a pretty huge deal.

>Why does batman say to superman "I thought she was with you?" when he clearly knows exactly who she is and that she is not with him.

He DOES NOT know who she is, all he knows about her is that she is somehow immortal. She thinks that superman might know her, because they both seemed to have powers. It was a guess on his part. He had only exchanged a couple of sentences with supes before that.

Not even a plothole.

>Is it just a quippy marvelshit like line which should generate laughter or?

No.

Name some more.

>>80835449
>>80835714
You somehow still don't get the point of that, despite it being spoonfed to you in BvS

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>>80838292
or spics

>>80838354
He's completely right though, the overuse of symbolism is bad for an artist and makes his work ironically even simpler and more finite.

If you use symbolism to a great extent in your films, then every single shot has a universal singular answer which everyone should "get" and once you get it there is nothing more to it.
Once you "get" that Superman is Jesus that's it, you don't even have to watch it ever again, no analysis or additional interpretations needed other than for more clues of HE'S JESUS LMAO

>>80838383
>it's a subversion of what we seeeeeeee
Kill yourself retard, Snyder is a hack and no braindead emperor's new clothes shitposting will change that.

>>80838459
You're pretty stupid.

>>80838501
Says the imbecile overrating a dumb jock to feel smart in liking toy catalogues lmao

>>80838523
Says a lot about you if you don't get that dumb jock's movies.

>>80838571
>implying there's something to "get"
You can drop the meme already, you're getting nobody, the emperor's new clothes is a really old tale.

>>80838597
You can keep repeating that line all you want but the sad reality is you are too stupid for a superhero movie.

>>80838448
i really can't think of any director that uses symbolism to such an extent that every single shot has an absolute answer, not sure who you're talking about there.

>>80835936
WW's theme is pure audiokino, pleb

>>80838615
You can keep telling yourself that and the even sadder reality is that you've been acting smug and pretentious around a poorly made action film to feel smart, you'll never ever get actual filmmakers that can integrate symbolism into the structure of their works like Greenaway or Malick, but please, do keep making a fool out of yourself in this board, nothing is funnier than seeing pretentious retards like you crash and burn and go "b-b-b-b-but marvel" every time.

>>80836044
Yeah, it's not like Tarkovsky was trying to stay alive and avoid censorship or anything. He accurately describes an aversion to narrow symbols, but when you call something "The Zone" it has obvious figurative (aka symbolic) meaning. I mean seriously--his dad was a poet; he considered film the poetry of time. Poetry is purely symbolic. When a poet writes about water, it's not about the water. What tarkovsky I against is the blunt symbols of montage theory in which complex thoughts are reduced to such simple terms, they're no longer worth considering. You really think when Andrei Rubylev encounters a naked pagan witch, it has no symbolic meaning? When he pans across literal icons, they have no meaning other than the literal? Of course he denies it. And if you believe it, you are as dumb and incompetent as the censors he was lying to.

>>80838643
Ofcourse Zack Snyder, he says it himself, there is almost no ambiguity whatsoever.

>>80838695
I don't even like BvS much though, I just know you're wrong.

>>80838748
he doesn't really use much symbolism. At least not to the extent you're claiming.

>>80837681
That's not a point. His name is Superman. You know, like Ubermensch. Its really boring to just say A=B. Not enough for a film. Especially when its the most obvious fucking thing in the world. It's the start of a story, not the end. Saying something about it. You're like the slow kid in a class saying a rose in a Shakespeare play stands love. Duh. Congratulations, you're barely literate.

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>>80833779
DCucks never learn.

wahhhhh I hate when movies have interesting visuals. I have to go to r*ddit to learn what the movie really means because it's so """"subtle""""

fags

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>>80838839
Too bad Evans will never look badass in his own movies. Doesn't help that he has a weird face.

>>80838448
>then every single shot has a universal singular answer which everyone should "get" and once you get it there is nothing more to it.
false as fuck, also there is nothing wrong with being blunt with your message.

>Once you "get" that Superman is Jesus that's it, you don't even have to watch it ever again, no analysis or additional interpretations needed other than for more clues of HE'S JESUS LMAO
you're retarded, he's not jesus.

>>80838448
>no analysis or additional interpretations

it's a movie you retard

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>>80838874
Sure, DCuck.

>>80838615
Superhero movies are really dumb at this point. Disappointing that people could be working with such potent symbols and never really say much more than "these are symbols." Citizen Kane is a Batman movie, but it's way better than everything Nolan and Snyder have done. The only thing interesting about Dark Knight was the performance of Joker.

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>>80838903
>he's not jesus

This is official BvS concept art.

>>80839240
symbolism =/= actuality

Jesus' values are the values he trie to achieve, and those are the values that kill him.

>>80838937
>it's an opera you retard
>it's an epic poem you retard
>it's a symphony you retard

>>80839282
>symbolism =/= actuality

lmao great fucking headcanon my dude, you must be one highly intellectual individual no doubt about it

>>80838779
>I-I-I-I-I d-d-d-don't even like capeshit
Every time
Thanks for trying.
Watch more films.

>>80839766
>get blown the fuck out
>u-uh you dont watch flicks anyway!!
uh huh

>>80839782
>get BTFO
>by some kid saying 2deep4u u just don't get it ad nauseam

>>80839838
yeah, must be a bad feeling to be as low as you.

>>80839858
Imagine being so full of yourself you force a meme about a shit movie being deep because your anonymous internet persona thrives on pretentiousness.

>>80839887
t. the guy who's been complaining about a superhero movie he's too dumb to get almost every day for a year on 4chan of all places

>>80839919
>almost every day
>says the obsessive kid replying instantaneously on every BvS thread to prove his intellectual superiority
>same kid that forced Marvel pajeet until people started recognizing him
>same kid that depends on smart anons to give him opinions to regurgitate
>same kid that forced capekino
>same kid that defends a shit movie because doing so makes him feel smart
>he still thinks everyone hating on BvS is the same person because everyone defending BvS IS the same person
Thanks for trying DCuck

>>80839919
This would go a lot faster if you just posted what the film was about.

>>80835819
>jack
>not the koran

>>80840015
rude

>>80840468
Desperate.

Batman is standing on top of statue of Death (skull).

Represents how batman is even above death now.

>>80838695
>>80839766
>>80839838
Jesus christ man, get a grip. You are getting really mad over a movie.

>>80841040
>le u mad
HOLA REDDITO

This is one retarded ass thread and the 2 anons having a degenerate "no you're stupid" reply-off is one of the most pathetic things I've seen here in a while.

>>80841263
>pretending to be a third person to feel above your own obnoxious shitposting

>>80841263
they always go that way because its a lot easier than actually defending snyder's work

>>80835204
It's Batman riding Wonder Woman, is foreshadowing for their relationship in the movie

>>80835449
its quite literally taken right out of the comics

>>80836044
guess what, many directors disagree. The fact you follow tartovsky's word as fact is sad

>>80836106
LITERALLY TAKEN STRAIGHT FROM THE COMICS YOU STUPID FUCKER

>>80841720
List 5 directors who disagree please

>>80837681
you never saw the reeves films did you kid

>>80841756
>IT'S IN THE COMICS SO IT HAS TO BE GREAT BECAUSE THE COMICS SURELY WEREN'T FLAWED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT

defending something by saying "it's like that in the source material" is the worst argument

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>>80836577
>DCfags are still deluding themselves with these fanboy excuses

>>80839454
this guys is trying to have an intelligent discourse with you, you stupid fuck

>>80837912
>You're retarded and have no taste for good movies.
Gee this doesn't make you sound like a fanboy at all, nope.

>>80842068
>headcanon and mental gymnastics are intelligent discourse

>>80841865
Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!

>>80841890
are you trying to say kingdom come is bad? Because if so you really are more stupid then i could of ever imagined.

>>80833779
You mean because the light on the clouds is spelling DC?

>>80841802
argento, fuluci, de palma, lizzani, snyder etc.

>>80842102
how old are you?

>>80842262
How is that relevant? Does it help your headcanon that this shit movie is a masterpiece but only you know so if I only was 18 years old?

>>80838210
If one sentence of dialogue is all that was needed to stop the fight between Batman and Superman why wouldn't Superman just grab Batman so he couldn't move and tell him his mother was in danger? If he didn't want to fight Batman he could have easily restrained him. Why throw him through buildings? All he did was make the fight last longer than it should have.

>>80842360
I want to know if you're just a kid or an idiot. How old are you?

>>80842412
>if you disagree with my headcanon you're dumb
Why can't redditors argue for shit? There's nothing in the movie that indicates that they're subverting the superman=jesus allegories.

>>80842469
How old are you?

>>80842903
You have NOTHING, you're DESPERATE right now.
Great job showing your intellectual superiority DCuck

>>80842950
How old are you?

>>80835449
When will /tv/ learn that good symbolism doesn't have to be subtle?
Not that I particularly liked any of the DCEU films, but still

>>80843031
When will /tv/ learn that the overuse of symbolism is not good in any form whatsoever?

>>80843030
Imagine being so desperate after failing to prove that the symbolism is being subverted in any way that all you have is ad hominem.

>>80843030
31. How old are you?

>>80843074
How old are you?

>>80843129
You have nothing you imbecile, even if I was underaged (I'm not) you still failed to prove that the symbolism is being subverted, you can only flood the thread with the same bullshit over and over again because you have no arguments and people started calling you out on your braindead emperor's new clothes shitposting.

>>80843186
How old are you?

>>80836577
>Ben is the best on-screen Bats yet.

Shame he's stuck in a failing movie universe.

>>80843238
This is "intelligent discourse" for DC fans.

>>80843286
How old are you?

>>80843319
Pathetic, can you stop flooding the thread?

>>80843113
Well? Are you going to answer Johny from texas and not mexico?

>>80833779
I know he's supposed to look strong but he just looks chubby.

why do these movies trigger you people so much

>>80843374
How old are you?

>>80833779
Effective symbolism is all about being subtle. Snyder is as subtle as a train wreck.

>>80843460
You already got an answer faggot, why do you keep ignoring it?

>>80843497
Where?
How old are you?

>>80843536
See
>>80843113

>>80843578
It took you two posts just to say two numbers?
God you really are stupid.

>>80843610
I'm not even that anon, you seem really upset that people don't overrate this garbage that you praise to feel smart.

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>>80843680
Sure you're not, i believe you. All i have done is post the same four words about five times now and gotten a long angry response each time, and yet i'm the one that upset? Im fuckin laffin

>>80843842
>you're le mad not me
>continues to call others idiots for not liking a movie made to sell toys
>keeps flooding the thread to prove how not mad he is
>le lorde /mu/ meme
Can you be anymore plebeian?

>>80843893
>le lorde /mu/ meme
you what?

>>80843952
>he doesn't even know where I am laffin comes from
A newfag AND a pleb? What a combo.

>>80842360
>>80842469
>>80842950
>>80843074
>>80843113
>>80843186
>>80843286
>>80843374
>>80843497
>>80843578
>>80843680
>>80843893
>tries to claim other anon is mad
>Responded to a bait post eight times in a row and then pretended to be someone else
Holy shit

>>80843983
are you autistic as well?
Thats been around a lot longer then 4chan has been a thing.

Christ, why are you so upset?

>>80844030
Like what you're doing right now after getting exposed as a newfag? Poster counter didn't change you dumb fuck.

>>80838874
Evans is disgusting-looking, male butterface.

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>>80844030
Stop replying to me unless you're going to answer my fucking question you under 25 year old cancer.

>>80844082
>tries to defend his newfaggotry by making shit up
Why do you go on and on on tangential bullshit? Are you a warner shill trying to divert attention to the fact that the jesus symbolism is never subverted and you're pretentious?

>>80833779
Ben IS Batman.

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>>80844092
???
because i have already posted in the thread? Why would the ip counter change?

Holy fucking shit you are loosing it

>>80844154
making stuff up like?

>>80844314
>I-I-I-I-I-I am s-s-s-so n-n-n-n-not him you're crazy
Thanks for trying DCuck

>>80835441
>le epic motherfucking batman
back to 9fag

>>80844141
>>80844374
Holy shit this is great.

>>80844374
are you actually trying to deflect being caught out same fagging by same projecting it onto somebody else?

>>80844406
You getting BTFO is great?

>>80844446
No, but you getting progressively angrier and angrier is

>>80844441
But the other guy is still asking about your age and you keep ignoring him, why do you keep ignoring the poor guy? Did he blow you the fuck out?

>>80844141
>everything that disagrees with me is reddit

>>80844485
>le u mad so I don't need arguments
Hola reddito

>>80844486
First time i have responded to you actually.

>>80844585
How old are you then?

>>80844519
what arguments?
You still think that your talking to only a single person here?

>>80844624
>I-I-I-I-I-I'm not that guy that types like me I swear
Hola reddit

>>80844623
I'm 25.

>>80844673
LOL

>>80844670
Spot on kiddo

>>80844799
I know? You're pathetic and haven't said a single concrete thing about that shit movie because praising it is a meme.

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>>80844670
I'm the guy that was doing the howl are you thing, he isn't me. You're delusional.

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>>80835449
>plebs who can't into cinematography virtue signal their cinematic illiteracy through an ironic meme
>"HEHE LOOK HOW OBVIOUS THIS SYMBOWLIZM IS GUISE THIS DIRECTOR SUCKS"

Get fucked fagboy

>>80844861
>He's still replying

>>80844861
>He's still replying
WAS IT KINO

>>80842020
DKR fucking sucked from start to finish and it still got great reviews

Dawn of Justice is almost unwatchably bad, I had to switch it off as soon as Lex showed up.

>>80844906
>I keep getting BTFO so I win
LOL

>>80844406
I told you not to reply to me unless you're going to tell me how old you are, scum.

>>80844971
but look, here i am right now, replying to your autistic ass

>>80844953
>BTFO
but where?

>>80845061
Read the thread kid, you can't even actually talk about the movie, all you can do is be an obnoxious pretentious loser.

>>80845012
You're definitely under the age of 25 and most likely under 20.

>>80836044
Most of Tarkovsky's films are great but whenever he opens his mouth all we get is pretentious horsefuck, he wanted to stand out so much but he was literally talking gibberish in his efforts to do so.

>>80845113
no no, tell me where, please, as all i'm seeing is you getting consistently madder as time goes on

>>80845249
>u mad u mad u mad u mad
You really can't talk about the movie in any way.

>>80838710
>Poetry is purely symbolic.
Have you ever read haiku? It's not a coincidence Tarkovsky loved Japanese poetry.

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>>80845280
>Avoiding the question

>>80845356
What question? You keep ignoring the actual question of how does the movie subvert the Jesus symbolism to fit your headcanon.

>>80845409
>What question?
oh dear
>You keep ignoring the actual question of how does the movie subvert the Jesus symbolism to fit your headcanon.
>>80844030
this is where i started my sad mad freind

>>80833779
i looked at this thread for 30secs and this thread is pure shit

mods, ban everyone itt

>>80838710
>Poetry is purely symbolic. When a poet writes about water, it's not about the water.
Jesus, are you still in high school? Most modernist poetry does away with symbolism.

>>80845484
not really, where did you get that from?

>>80845454
>I have nothing to do in this thread, no place in the discussion but you're le mad so I don't need one xDD
Namaste Reddito

>>80845553
still avoiding the question there

>>80845547
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagism

>>80837037
Nolan is an actual hack, Snyder is the closest thing to an autuer this era is going to get in the blockbuster scene

>>80845578
There is no question, reddit, I know that you can't discuss for shit but spamming "u mad" is not a question.

>>80845607
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagism
I mean thats a good example but its not most by any means

>>80833779
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzaVd6zl2bA

>>80845613
>Nolan is an actual hack, Snyder is the closest thing to an autuer this era is going to get in the blockbuster scene
>not bay or even paul ws anderson
Come back when you actually know what you're talking about you complete and utter facebook movie buff drone.

>>80845648
Never actually used reddit, seeing as you know so much about it, perhaps you ought to go back there.

Now you seem to be very forgetful, which comes with being an idiot i suppose, but i asked for you to provide a single example where i was BTFO, and yet you still have failed to deliver.

>>80845699
>Uses Anderson as an example
>Calls others a facebook drone
the irony is amazing

>>80845718
>I'm not from reddit but I love reddit spacing and reddit memes
Nice try reddito, you have to go back.

>>80845766
I don't believe it, how can you still be avoiding the question?

>>80845815
How can you keep flooding the thread with your non posts reddit?
Stop fishing for upvotes, they don't exist here. Go back.

>>80845754
Pompeii is the arthouse blockbuster of the 10s, drone. You have no fucking clue about cinema
https://www.moma.org/explore/inside_out/2014/12/30/the-contenders-paul-w-s-andersons-pompeii/

>>80845867
Christ, How old are you?

>>80845945
Back with that again reddit? Seriously go back.

>>80845908
aww, hit a soft spot did i?

>>80845984
How old are you?

>>80846049
This is reddit, this is memes

>>80846003
Yeah right here you anti cinema plebeian >>80845699
>Snyder is the closest thing to an autuer this era is going to get in the blockbuster scene
Don't come to a board for film when you're still stuck in your "movie buff" ideals.

>>80836598
hack snyder panders to the most overrated Batman book of all time yay

even the creator is tired of it

>>80846096
it wasn't me who said that though, i just called you out on what you said. Because it was retarded.

Quit projecting and watch more films.

>>80846264
That isnt hush

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>>80835204
He's standing above the reaper he once was, showing his progression since BvS

thats how I see it anyway.

only killing parademons now.

>>80846386
>i-it wasn't me! I'm not a drone :((
Fucking hilarious as always princess. Next time make sure you're not around someone that actually understands cinema and his a high cinematic IQ when you pretend you're more than a facebook movie buff

>>80846550
It really wasn't but feel free to think what you wish.

>Next time make sure you're not around someone that actually understands cinema and his a high cinematic IQ when you pretend you're more than a facebook movie buff
You ought to follow your own advice there.

>>80835518
Well not really
Gargoyle comes from the french gargouille
Gargouiller (the verb) means gargling
But gargouille was the name for water evacuating conduits on cathedral. People used to build horrible monster on them so the monster came to be named gargouille

Garg - means comes from garg which meant "throat" in latin and gouille comes from goule which meant "mouth" in latin

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>>80833779
>>80837288

>>80837587
TDK is the only good Nolan's batman and you know it