Welp. Put a fork in him. He's done.

>>80814204
calm down /pol/

>third thread I've seen in the last minute

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>Put a fork in him.

>>80814204
>Comedian Dave Chappelle has come under fire from social media critics
>social media critics
So me posting my stupid opinion online now makes me a critic people should pay attention to? Good to know

>>80814204
so homos and mental transfags are higher priority than niggers for libshits, good to know

>>80814204
I hate crybaby bitches like these gay ass bloggers.
Bill Burr already ranted about this. People that laugh at everything until somw shit they feel strongly about gets made fun of and then comes the fucking picket signs.

>tweeted

literally whom gives a shit

>>80814204
I will watch this I love tranny jokes!

>>80814222
THEY GENOCIDE YOU IF YOU DON'T CONFORM

fuck off, he's the GOAT.

Precious fucking cunts who can't take a bit of good natured ribbing.

Yeah, everyone else is fair game right but you, you get to be pandered too? Fuck that. Suck it up sissy fucks.
Like the world fucking owes them shit just because they're fucked up.
You wanna be accepted the same as everyone else you get made fun of just like everyone else.

>>80814370
>>80814294
This. This fake outrage is so fucking childish.

"i dont hate gay people.. but i hate bloggers"

GAY BLOGGERS BTFO

I hope he doesn't apologize

Fuck political correctness

>>80814262

Oh yeah, it's

Blacks<LGBT<<<<<Poor oppressed Muslims

>>80814204

Why. All his other comedy was homophobic and transphobic and everyone loved it.

Plus black people are homophobic and transphobic, so wouldn't it mostly be racists complaining?

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>>80814243

>>80814445

Gold Medal: Jews
Silver Medal: Muslims
Bronze Medal: LGBTP
Paeticipation Certificate: African Americans (including British, French or African African Americans)

>>80814204
>tweeted
>tweeted
>tweeted
>wrote on twitter
this is "journalism" in 2017. Pathetic.

uh oh internet trouble

>>80814445
>tolerance police protect muslims who wouldnt intervene if a fag was being murdered in front of them

lol

>>80814204
Watched it and I can't recall any 'phobic' shit. He's got the black community back if this hits real media outlets

>>80814575
the Jews get shit on by media all the time though
Israel is one of the liberal's left main priorities

>>80814610
>feminist tolerance police protect muslims who wouldn't intervene if a woman was being murdered in front of them

kek

> HAHAHAH SO FUNNY
> WAIT, THAT LAST JOKE WAS ABOUT A GROUP I BELONG TO?!
> WHAAAA! FAK COMEDIANS!

So business as usually. This is why I don't get mad when people joke about white people or men. Pointing out a double standard is one thing but getting ass blasted as soon as you happen to be the but of the joke is so hypocritical and retarded.

>>80814656
we could go on all day

islam is super conservative

>>80814256
>Social media critic
Probably means people who are critics of social media.

>>80814204
>I was hoping for a woke Dave
When did it become acceptable to say something this fucking gay?

>>80814777
what does it even mean?

>>80814777
It's just Redditors/Tumblrinas appropriating nigger twitter babble.

>"transphobic" in scare quotes
>homophobic isn't
kek

that shit seemed so tame, i forget how many people there are out there who don't ever come to this site

>>80814819
It means they want him to be le redpilled and trash talk drumpf and evil white """people""", they got the opposite wew

>>80814204
Honestly I think this is just to get better ratings\

People want offensive shit in comedy

>>80814625
This. People across the political spectrum know and love him and his specials are already receiving rave reviews. Additionally, he has the full support of the black community, which makes him virtually untouchable (look at Chris Brown, for example). He'll be fine.

wtf i love dave chappelle now

>>80814655

Yeah, but short of Full Genocide on the Pally's, they'll be okay thanks to their top rank.

>>80814819
Being insane and basing your entire personality around your race and sexuality from what I understand

>>80814204
He made a whole show about how it is wrong to be racist against black people but is okay with Trump being racist against Muslims and Mexicans, fuck him.

>>80814777

It's ironic.

>>80814819
Woke is just the retarded sjw version of redpilled

>>80814858
fuck drumpf and fuck white people

>>80814204
Well I'm going to go watch it now. Be back in an hour.

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mfw his next special will be discussing this

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>>80815030
You sound like a giant liberal faggot.

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>>80814222
Surprise surprise. Someone in the middle gets called a Nazi. What's new with you people?

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>Bloated cunts with no lives whine on the sewer of the internet

Could every tranny do humanity the favor of hastening their inevitable suicides? Thank you

>>80815030

>being racist

>against a nationality and an ideology

Um, sweetie...

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>rape culture
>homotransphobic
>problematic

THIS is the American youth
THIS is the world according to Americans


lol

>>80815030
Mexican isn't a race

You think all hispanics are mexican, you racist??!

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>3 tweets
>4 articles, 3 of which are written by right-wing publications playing up "hysteria" where there is none

If this very image isn't proof that the nu-right are cut from the same cloth as the self appraising liberals, I don't know what is.

But go on, continue patting yourselves on the back.

>>80814575
Well Dave Chappelle is a Muslim so he should be fine

>>80815430
What?? No he's not dude drinks like a sailor you can tell from his bloated up fucking head

>>80814204
Eddie Murphy did far worse back in the eighties, but everyone seems to have forgotten about that because he did shitty family movies for a few decades

>>80814445
Chapelle is a Muslim so he can just pull that card

>>80815499
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c43z0oXDkPY

I don't know who to believe. This racist nigger or the anon who's confidently telling it how it is?

>>80815619

THAT'S NOT A CARD, IT'S A DEAD MAN'S SWITCH

>>80815567
it's pretty obvious he was over compensating in his comedy for the fact that he liked banging tranny hookers

>>80815567
Also
>the eighties
It was a different time

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>>80814204
>Right wing publications making articles about -- twitter users -- to build up a narrative that Dave is under any kind of heat

The specials got great scores from every fucking lefty outlet, yet here Heatstreet, Breitbart and New Republic come to tell us "ACKSHUALLI LEFTIES WERE ALL OFFENDED, HUMORLESS SACKS OF SHIT"

Why are black people so homophobic

>>80815669
Dibs! I haven't been able to find a Switch in any stores.

Why do you guys waste your time finding no name liberal websites or sjw tweets with 1 to 2 likes. I don't why you guys obsess so much about sjws

>>80815846
>Breitbart
>New Republic
>Heatstreet

These are all right-wing sites. Liberal sites aren't complaining, they all gave it rave reviews. Really makes you think...

>>80815759
leftys are always triggered about something

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>>80815924
>Liberal sites aren't complaining, they all gave it rave reviews.

>one social media critic

Wow, it's fucking nothing. Just because one no name idiot on social media disliked it doesn't mean shit. Everyone has given his special rave reviews. Shouldn't breitbart, you know actually be commenting about world politics instead of complaining about some sjw boogeyman hating Dave Chappelle's special

>>80816155
The market of outrage was a mistake

>>80815778
Black culture being based heavily around masculinity and gays seen as just the opposite is what I always figured.

>>80814204

>takes a not even really a middle stance on the issue, he supports gay rights and all that sort of shit, he just pokes a little fun at them because he's a fucking COMEDIAN
>he's now "problematic", people can't handle it and aren't even willing to continue watching and get any sort of context on the matter

liberals man.

>>80815778
Absolutely no race likes gays faggot.

>>80816703
What about the Swedish?

>>80814262
Well they hate straight males no matter the race.

>>80814655
>the Jews get shit on by media all the time though
Maybe by independent media. Mainstream? Not at all

>>80816800
People don't look at them when they walk past us

>>80814204
Get ready for a full on assault on sjws from chappelle coming

>>80815499

Shit tons of Muslims drink nigga. Iranians, Indians, Turks and Pakistanis especially.

>>80814204
Should have made the entire special about his vagina.

>>80814204
SOCIAL JUSTICE 1,2,3 WOO! WOO! I WANNA BE PC

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>>80814243

>>80814655
you mean israel gets shit on, and still no it really doesnt

jews are self deprecating all the time, but its still meant to be taken as "nah im just kidding we're still gods chosen you stupid goyim" and not any sort of real criticism

>>80818382
Wrong. Muslims are all child molesting straight edge woman-beating murderous rapists. You need to get red-pilled bro.

Link to the video?

>>80815030
>Trump being racist against Muslims

Islam is not a race, it's an ideology.
That's like saying "don't be racist against communists!"

>>80814204
Remember when people could take jokes and weren't so offended on behalf of other people?

>>80818730
Funny how so many right wingers seem to think Arab and Muslim are synonymous, and that Muslim immigration is an attempt at racially displacing white people. But no, nothing at all to do with race, that's CRAZY. ;)

>>80815924
http://www.ebony.com/entertainment-culture/dave-chappelle-comedy-special

>>80818382
>Iranians

illegally ;^)

>>80818800
>and that Muslim immigration is an attempt at racially displacing white people.
Are you implying muslims aren't by far a non-white mayority?

>>80815759
>The specials got great scores from every fucking lefty outlet
This straight up lie makes me think that you have a bias.
>>80819019

>>80819042
Hating Islam has nothing to do with race, you crazy libtard!

I'm visually impaired (and actual handicap), and if he made blind people jokes, I wouldn't give two shits.

>>80819042
>its not about race
>its about race

do you not realize how stupid you are?

>>80814204
They won't be able to take down Dave Chappelle, he's far too famous

This isn't some faggot on twitter, even my parents know who he is

>social media critic

less than nothing. literally "we are making a story about a few individual complaints"

>>80819175
I see.

>>80819238

http://themuse.jezebel.com/what-does-dave-chappelle-have-to-say-about-bill-cosby-1793534061

>be me
>say bruce jenner is just a weirdo who doesn't deserved to be heralded as the greatest hero of a generation just for putting on a dress and making for it
>get called a "transphobic bigot"
I don't give a shit about trannies being trannies since they don't hurt anyone, but Bruce Jenner is a fraud and everyone putting him on a pedestal is a fucking moron. He's a tranny AND he's gay for women AND he's a conservative that votes against his own interests AND he's in a family of fame-whores but isn't a fame-whore himself? Complete fraud.

wtf I'm outraged now

the cosby joke was perfect tho

>>80819360
>.jezebel.com
yea, every word from my previous post still applies

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>another irredeemable bigot destroyed

Good.

*sips hot chocolate*

>>80814204
>Implying
He's black remember, he's pretty much bulletproof

What surprises me is that there's no freak out over the sheer number of rape jokes.

I guess that means we're allowed to make those jokes in the world again.

>>80818800
>Funny how so many right wingers seem to think Arab and Muslim are synonymous,

So do libtards

>>80814819
WHYPEEPOO BE LIKE
BLAKPEEPOO BE LIKE

>>80814204
It's too bad nobody cares whether or not it's funny.

>>80814204
I thought blacks were immune?

>>80819786
BLACK PEEPOH
DOOT DOOT DOOT DOOT
WHITE PEEPOH
NEE NEENEE NEE NEE NEENEE

>>80814777
I guess "woke" now means going all in in regards to the liberal doctrine.

Learn something new every day!

>>80818800
I'm a right winger, and I'm fine with Christian Arabs. They should be the fucking priority, seeing as how they are one of the most persecuted people on Earth

>>80814204
no he's not, he's one of the few celebrities who gets the benefit of the doubt because he clearly doesn't give a shit about anything and doesn't have an agenda. he just keeps it real

this will blow over in a day

>>80819981
But I though you guys hated all "shitskins"

>>80819657
>My ex-girlfriend wasn't a bad person, but she was terrible in bed. She would just lie there screaming, 'Noooo!'

- Anthony Jeselnik

>>80820012
All racism on /pol/ is just false flagging by kikes.

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>>80820109
This. /pol/ is a board of peace.

Maybe he'll wise up to the left's exploitation of black "suffering" and vote Republican/conservative

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>>80819429
>if I just discount things that counter my point than I can never be wrong

niggers dont like fags and trannies dave is fine

>>80820167
>gossip rags like jezebel are the pulse of society
you need to take a break from the internet

Is this another liberals desperately try to pretend their entire ideology hasn't been taken over by extremist SJWs who want to abolish free speech episode?

>>80820167
What the fuck are you arguing for? You just took the side saying jezebel matters.
>>80819657
This is the same thing. It was one person crying at a show that got turned into a story and supposed rule.

Nobody is really mad. It's manufactured news to get views.

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>>80814370

>Precious fucking cunts who can't take a bit of good natured ribbing.

The left won't stop eating themselves. Even other leftists are starting to resent all the eggshells they have to walk on around these people.

>>80820109
>this level of delusion
Next, you're going to tell me that /pol/ is a satire

>>80820292

>Next, you're going to tell me that /pol/ is a satire

Nothing of the sort.

/pol/ is a board of peace.

>>80814222

They are trying real hard to make them /their/ guy.

>>80819981
My beliefs mostly align with the right but I can think for myself, and don't speak for anybody but myself.

>>80820292
#NotAll/Pol/lacks

>>80820400 meant for >>80820012

>>80820268
This, the more important story is about how fucking problematic all of you complaining about a POC comedian. You racist sexist nazi shitbags are way worse than any SJW.

Did you hear about how Trump didn't fall on his knees and worship the POC that walked past him? He needs to be executed or it's going to be Germany 1933 all over again

>>80820484

you ramble like a nutbar

use more reason and less emotion

liberals are fucking retards

they will shit on dave chappelle and praise the most unfunny cunt in history, amy schumer

kill yourselves.

>captcha: select all images with a bus

yes, I hope a bus hits every one of you that get offended at this.

>>80820629

>>captcha: select all images with a bus
>yes, I hope a bus hits every one of you that get offended at this.

still laughing desu

>>80820629
>>80820692
>tfw no one posts their funny captchas anymore since they're pictures now

>>80820484
>>80820551
stop replying to yourself faggot

>>80820866

they dont even work 99% of the time

fucking moot had to implement an awful system

>>80814750
What would being a critic of social media have to do with lambasting a comedian's show?

>>80820292

/pol/ is a board of peace.

>>80820012

All posts are satire and works of fiction. Only a fool would take what is posted there seriously.

Furthermore Kekism is a religion of peace. Pls no bully.

>>80815567

Neine.

I follow a number of SJW critics who think Eddie Murphy is problemaaaaatic.

>>80814204
you can say what you want about the alt-right movement but at least they can take a joke. those sjw are just butthurt 24/7. and no, i do not support the right wingers OR the left wingers.

>>80814204
People liberals actually care about power rankings:
1) Rich white women
2) Muslims
3) Middle class white women (coasts only)
4) Poor black women
5) Trans people
6) Poor white women
Power gap
7) Gay men
8) White men (coasts only, not cops)
9) Black men
10) Whites in middle America and the south
11) cops

Sorry Dave, guess you didn't know.

>>80821477
Can confirm, am Muslim liberal who worships white women.

sorry faggots nothing will ever take down dave chappelle.

well unless he raped 54 women

>>80821875
I bet he only raped 11 or 12 of those women

>>80821715
Rape isn't worship.

>>80815030

He is a Muslim.

>>80822320
Rape is a social construct

He was done a while ago, I mean look at him, dude's burned.

>>80814204
Good. This will just further demonstrate the point to Hollywood that what SJW's want is not what everyone else wants, and that what SJW's want will not have mainstream success.

The contrast between Dave Chappelle's current special and Amy Schumers is just another piece of solid evidence that SJW's are out of touch cry babies who do not speak for the majority of people.

This is gonna piss Dave off so much and he already seemed pretty bitter in the new specials. He's gonna pull a Kramer soon, if that's even possible.

>>80819894
damn that takes me back.

>tfw he literally mentions the oppression olympics and how blacks have been overtaken by gays and trannies

>>80814204
I don't get what people are trying to accomplish. He made some offensive jokes, what's the alternative, all comedy be approved by some higher power? He can voice his opinion and if he says some shit that doesn't align with your world view don't give him your money.

For the record I'm a faggot and don't think the husband and wife joke was well written, Chappelle was showing his age and sounded like an old man on his porch ranting about nothing. I'm not going to hold it against the man, some jokes land and some jokes don't, but he can say whatever the fuck he wants. The LGBTQ joke was fire though.

>>80814204
looking forward to Dave being the newest alt right hero

>>80819981
im a christian arab (Lebanese) living in Canada. My parents have told me stories of how islam ravaged our home country.

>>80815409
THIS

I hear the nu-right publications complaining about the easily offended reactionary left more than I hear from the actual left.

>muslim man is homophobic and transphobic

what are the chances

>>80822094
but he saves people

>>80822864

All comedy must be approved by the ministry of culture. A board should be convened that demographically represents the oppressed to ensure moral and socially stabilizing thoughts.

Unapproved laughter should be taxed at an increased rate, with criminal penalities for laughter as a result of harmful oppression think.

>>80822368

>Rape

Undocumented sexual partner, please.

Keep your loaded language out of my bedroom, Droompfkin.

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>>80822915

Does anyone know when the third special is coming out?

>i don't hate fags I hate BLOGGERS
>less than 72 hours later all the bloggers are shitting on him

clockwork

>people getting butthurt over comedy
>they're sjws

Makes sense, they are braindead and get mad about anything. They probably don't even know what comedy is, they probably thought Dave Chappelle was a political speaker or something.

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Well he's done for, there's no recovering from being criticized on the internet.

>>80814204
He's black, more or less untouchable around sex issues. I'm sure he'll bounce back.

>>80819360
>article actually likens police brutality agains trans people to police violence against blacks

I literally laughed out loud, but then I got a little mad.

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>>80822864
>what's the alternative, all comedy be approved by some higher power?

Comedy ends where our feelings begin.

>>80823587
It ends for you. And that's just you, so stop annoying the majority by crying about it.

>>80823077
Fucking got me there, very strong ad hominem strawman, I would consider myself thoroughly "pwned". Truly you didn't validate any grain of truth in my post by coming back at me with such a shallow and immature response!

>>80823077
>a centralist is as bad as the opposition
>anyone who disagrees with me must align with the ideology of the opposition
it's as if you don't understand any issue that can't be broken down into simple black/white like someone with a severe social/learning disability

>>80824881
>>80824955
>Being so mad you respond twice an hour later

It's alright, just go hang out in your safe space to cool down. ;^)

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>80824881
>the truth triggers the SJW

>>80814262
The more something naturally churns ones gut the higher the priority for these individuals

>>80825145
>he's still checking for (you)'s an hour later
Yikes.

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>>80825212
hehehe I got that one

>>80825213
>Implying I'm the same person

;^)

>>80814204
Faggotry should be cured, not condoned.

>>80814262
His bit about gays, women, and trannies taking more attention these days than the plight of black people was blue pilled as fuck. Black people have had decades of attention paid to their issues and these days get all kinds of special attention and passes. Him acting like it's a given that they have it worse than any oppressed group and that can't be questioned was very self serving imo.

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Tumblr's getting cocky, going up against a Black Muslim.

This could breed infighting

>>80814204
The guy is muslim though. They through gays from top of the buidings, you know.

>>80825539
But anon, what actually happens across the world isn't as important as what occurs in the entertainment that I consume

>>80815099
This lol

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>>80820292

>>80815099
>Implying he will be allowed to make another special ever again after this

>>80814345
Tranny porn is hot.

>>80814204
>was hoping for woke dave

Dave is woke. Hence all the jokes about gays and trannies.

>>80814370
>You wanna be accepted the same as everyone else you get made fun of just like everyone else.

This is what liberals always fail to understand.

>>80814777

It's black slang. Ebonics. Although I think by now it's even dated. Just bad grammar from African-Americans, as in "stay woke."

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>>80814262
>>80825467
Isn't this kinda bullshit? Black people have been getting all the attention as of late. Fuck, BLM blockaded the Toronto Pride Parade shortly after the Pulse shooting because they wanted to drama up the spotlight.

>>80814819

"woke" is the black version of "redpilled"

an even older meme is something like, "pull the wool from your eyes", or "remove the scales from your eyes"

>>80815778

Dry areas, like Africa, the Middle East, Texas, etc are typically ultra conservative, or what you would mistakenly call "homophobic."

>>80826038
But of course you'll get the same people who incessantly bitch about BLM and the "woke" mentality kiss Dave's ass because he also said mean things about Trannies, Gays, and told 30 mins worth of rape jokes to a crowd half filled with women.

Dave's pretty funny and all but I'm not going to pretend he doesn't have his share of delusion and hubris.

>>80816349

Yeah, who's more of a "pussy ass bitch" than a faggot? Trash talking in rap is basically a battle over who's a real man, and who's not a man.

>>80826144
Yeah dude is just a comedian. I'm not going to look at him for moral guidance, I just want to laugh. People actually using Dave to push their political beliefs is fucking pathetic.

>>80814777

There was this article in the paper the other day. "How woke bae or you?"

You got "woke bae" points for gong to feminist marches and being a vegan

I'm not even fucking around. It was a pretty funny but depressing at the same time. I'll let other guys handle that shit. I just want to be me. I'm not rich enough to have morals

>>80818426
topkek

>>80818762
>offended on behalf of other people?

I could possibly see someone being offended on behalf of other people, if someone wasn't in a room to defend themselves. People often don't like people talking behind their back.

But nowadays every idiot has a smartphone, and they can speak their mind.

These days, someone should really only be offended on behalf of a group like the Amish, because they don't see or read anything on the Internet.

>>80815619
He's not a desert person, though, and many people think Muslim is synonymous with a race like Jew.

>>80818800

Islam was born on the Arabian Peninsula. Sure, Islam the ideology has spread beyond there, but the origins are clear.

>>80819238
>less than nothing. literally "we are making a story about a few individual complaints"

How else are clickbait websites going to make "news" except by cherrypicking a few random tweets from Twitter? These people have no concept of sample sizes.

>>80814262
>if liberals criticize a black man, it means they don't care about black people in general

Not everything is about race and oppression olympics, you /pol/fag. Are people supposed to go "Oh, he's black, we can't criticize the things he says" like condescending racists?

>>80822368

best typo ever?

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>lefties attack right-wingers for ignoring science
>meanwhile they identify themselves as aliens, genderless etc.
>meanwhile they invented 37 new genders and 16 new sexes
>"race is a social construct"

which one do I watch first?

>>80822864

Standup comedy has been blasphemous ever since at least Lenny Bruce.

People will be offended. And plenty of comics say no topic should be off limits.

>>80826445
race as a scientific concept is way more nuanced than any racist admits. so much so that its basically lacks much explanatory value for the things people want it to explain. race and its popular implications are absolutely socially constructed.

>>80826445
gender is a social construct. this is consistent with their views btw

>>80825701

Go to bed, Jim Norton. You're not funny and you look like a turtle that lost its shell.

>>80826445

Yeah, leftists really need to decide which side of science they want to be on, they can't have it both ways.

>>80826451

Dave Chappelle: Deep in the Heart of Texas was filmed in 2015 in Austin.

Dave Chappelle: The Age of Spin was filmed in 2016 in LA.

>>80826509
>race as a scientific concept is way more nuanced than any racist admits.

As in, haplogroups?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup

Even in the days when people didn't even know DNA existed, they could see with their own eyes that different races exist. Even babies can see it.

>>80816987

It's hard to look at them when you're presenting your snownigger boipussi, as is swedish law, Sven.

>>80818800

Only Americans, most people here in Oz know that we have 100million Homohammeds 150km off our cost.

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>>80814777
>dave isnt woke because he doesn't subscribe to the status quo

>>80814204
>i was hoping for a woke dave
Guessing SJWs don't know what woke means do they? Cause dave making fun of trans people IS woke.

>random social media user
>random tweeter

>this is now news

>tfw I saw the neogaf guy sitting in the first row

this ruins it for me

It's like they've never seen his stand up or show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRZN7IzvCVs

>>80814204
I STARTED A JOKE

Anyone got an actual quote or excerpt from the show that's being branded homophobic or transphobic?

>>80814204
what time is the joke on?

>>80826524
Gender is fine.

It is STILL based in biological sciences because so-called "manly" and "womanly" activities have their roots in millions of years of natural sexual dimorphism.

My problem is that most SJWs actually think that there is no difference (or at least imply that there isn't one) between biological sex and societal gender.

I don't care if you make up 8,000 different kinds of genders because you want to feel special and not labelled by traditional means as a man or a woman (even though they take it to the extreme and blatantly shows their own insecurity, yet willful inability to deal with it like most people), but the rest of society should not have to bow down to the whims of a very VERY small minority just because you whine about it more loudly than everyone else.

If you want to BELIEVE that your Y-chromosome is gonna go away just because you got your dick cut off, by all means, believe it. Just don't whine to the rest of society when it doesn't work and you need to be treated differently as a result of it.

don't these bigots realise that chappelle belongs to the religion of peace and that homophobia is part of his belief system?

>>80821477
0) Jews

>>80814204

>social media critics

read: any person with a computer and/or smart phone

Who gives a shit?

>>80826445
>what is nutpicking

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>>80827410
>most SJWs think there is no difference between biological sex and societal gender
I'm pretty sure that's not actually the case. I'm pretty sure they have been advocating that people of whatever biological sex shouldn't be bound by the typical accompanying gender and can choose whatever gender they want.

You sound like someone I had a conversation with this over. At the end of the day, you have no right to tell people what they can and can not identify as because it triggers you. This country was specifically founded to protect the VERY small minority from majority rule. Conservatives typically get this when it comes to capitalism but usually not social issues. And I don't think it is about wanting to be special. They want to be one way or another and most people during a certain age seek attention but most people drop the need for attention and come to terms and security with who they are. Are you so sure the problem is with gender benders' insecurity or your own? As far as society bowing goes, IMO society should bow to rights over fee fees. Culturally, society will bow to whatever the prevailing culture is. That's not institutional.

>If you believe your Y-chromosome is going to go away
You're mixing gender and sex again. The two have been made distinct for a very simple and efficient reason: humans categorize real phenomena. Try not to let that trigger you.

>>80827798
shut the hell up tumblr
these people do have the right to be who they want to be but to expect the rest of society to bow down to their every whim, to expect to be treated differently. when did we start celebrating mental problems instead of treating them

>>80825467
>Him acting like it's a given that they have it worse than any oppressed group and that can't be questioned was very self serving imo.
self serving? yes
blue pilled? no, pretending LGBTIQPQWERTY+ rights are under attack becuse it's a form of virtue signaling is blue pilled.

The reason why black people have been getting attention lately anyways is that they are more than willing to riot in order to get it.

>>80827798
they push their agenda on every aspect of life, even forcing science to change to fit their mental break downs, the last group to attempt that was creationist and they failed and we laughed at them

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>>80826179
>I'm not going to look at him for moral guidance, I just want to laugh
you don't get it, do you? you're racist and homophobic for laughing. You found it funny, you noticed, it was amusing to you. YOU'RE TAINTED.

>>80827933
>shut up tumblr
Quality ad hom there. Nice argument.

The rest of your bs is a strawman I already addressed.

>when did we start celebrating mental problems
If your argument is they are not in normal operating range for humans then you may as well say we shouldn't accommodate people with physical handicaps as well. If it is a mental disorder, it's not one that is hurting you. And no, your triggered sensibilities aren't legitimate transgressions. That's like saying bisexuality is a mental disorder and everyone knows finding a hot bi chick to agree to MFF threesomes is the greatest...so you entertain their mental disorders(sarcasm).

>>80827798

Give a short, one-sentence definition of the following terms: gender, gender role, gender norm.

>SJW loved him for all the "white people"jokes
>cracks a joke about fags n degenerates
>SJW lose their shit

kek

>>80827994
What are they rioting for though? All their rights are there in law. They even have had plenty of special programs and decades of awareness for them. LGBTXYZJKLMNOP+ just got legal marriage recognition. Anyway, Dave was the one playing oppression olympics and he even jokes about it.

>>80828043
>If it is a mental disorder, it's not one that is hurting you.

Is a guy ranting on a street corner who thinks he's Jesus mentally ill? Is he hurting you? Does anyone have to listen to it?

>the media tricks people into getting mad again
>they make money

You people are fools

>>80828023
>force science to change
Post evidence of this.

>they push their agenda
Gee everyone pushes for their interests. Is that new to you?

>>80828113
>Is he hurting you? Does anyone have to listen to it?

no?

>>80828150

Yeah, so the point is nobody has to listen to mentally ill people, which includes trannies.

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>>80828113
No. Please point out where I said he's hurting me, or where I said I have to listen...or promptly stfu and get btfo.

Also a false equivalence. Idk if you can label gender benders as mentally ill nor do I care. It's not hurting anyone. It's called freedom. Not all mental illnesses are created equal which was why your example is a stupid shitty one. Someone who is sociopathic and manipulates or kills people is an example of a mental illness that is detrimental to others. I simply granted you the mental illness of gender bender to argue from your premise and show why the conclusion doesn't follow.

>>80828173
Then what are you bitching about? Don't like it, don't listen.

>>80828043
>we shouldn't accommodate people with physical handicaps as well.
we do by making wheel chair ramps and the like.
>That's like saying bisexuality is a mental disorder
yet i didn't say that your making stuff up
its not a strawman argument go to a american college campus where students can get expelled for not using the proper pronoun, liberals are asking people to be fired for not using proper pronouns, primary schools are teaching kids that if you think your a girl even if if your a boy its ok when we know its a phase like kids wanting to run around naked

>>80828244
>we do by making wheel chair ramps and the like.
Yes that was my point. It seems to have gone right over your head. Usually I'd accommodate you but I'm not going to repeat the logic for you this time.

>its not a strawman argument go to a american college campus where students can get expelled for not using the proper pronoun, liberals are asking people to be fired for not using proper pronouns, primary schools are teaching kids that if you think your a girl even if if your a boy its ok when we know its a phase like kids wanting to run around naked
Those are all strawmen lol. Every company has its own ethics policies. If you call your coworker a faggot or a nigger, expect to be fired from most places. It's a private business. If it is a phase that the kids go through then you should have nothing to worry about.

>>80826442
it's completely correct tho. Sex is sex, rape can only be rape in a civil society context

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>>80828065

what were the rape jokes?

>>80828217

Someone who believes the moon is made of cheese is not hurting anyone, but they are still suffering from a delusion. Delusions themselves are harmful.

The idea that people should be able to do or say whatever they want as long as they're not hurting anyone is flawed. Because the truth matters. Trannies are frauds essentially. They purport to be something they are not.

Nowadays, the word "freedom" is often just a cover for immorality. Do you know who has the most freedom? A psychopath who doesn't care what other people think, or what society thinks, or about social norms.

But yes, a tranny's mental illness can be detrimental to others, because they may insist on other people paying for their elective plastic surgeries via insurance, they may insist on going into the wrong restrooms (which itself creates a loophole where any creep can simply say they are a tranny and go into the wrong restroom or locker room or shower room), etc. These people hate their bodies so much, some are willing to mutilate their own bodies.

If someone insists to be something they are not (like for example, a cult leader who believes he's a prophet), nobody is under any obligation to listen to what they have to say. Because they are liars.

>>80828319
Definitions only exists in the context of humans categorizing phenomena. Rape is involuntary sex and was defined because the distinction from voluntary sex was an important one for humans to communicate. Yes it is the result of a civil society. I'm happy you have come to such a revelation.

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>>80828467
ummm, sure.

>>80828242

Is that why Loretta Lynch said all trannies can just shower with whoever they want?

Give someone an inch and they willl take a mile. It never ends with free speech with these entitled people, it's "everyone in the world needs to look at me and validate my personal delusions."

No. Nobody has to validate or respect someone else's delusions. You say what you believe is crazy, and you need mental help.

>>80814204
link to show that isn't netflix?

>>80828319

The wild kingdom is full of rape. A female is dominated by a male.

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>>80828512
oy vey shut it down

>>80828566
unless there's a social construct of what violation means to begin with, there's no concept at all of what constitutes rape

other animals like chimps and bonobos have qualms about what we consider rape but it's certainly not the same to them.

>>80828446
>delusions themselves are harmful
For someone who thinks she's so logical, you seem to be making some grand leaps of logic.

>The idea that people should be able to do or say whatever they want as long as they're not hurting anyone is flawed.
Sounds straight up like the kind of thing poltards would criticize a SJW caricature for saying. Action in American society are allowed freely without recourse. You are not allowed to murder or thieve. These things infringe on other peoples' rights. The right however to say what you want is a hallmark of Americanism. Try not to get triggered by it.

>They purport to be something they are not
If a post op tranny has a dick, sorry I'm not gonna fuck her because by your definition she is a Y-chromosome wielding female. It's not as black and white as you'd like.

>a tranny's mental illness can be detrimental to others
Can is the key word here. I've never had a tranny try to make me pay for his/her operation. And not all trannies are advocating the government subsidize their operation.

>which itself creates a loophole where any creep can simply say they are a tranny and go into the wrong restroom or locker room or shower room
You never had a right to separate but equal restrooms in the first place nor was your hypothical ever protected by anything. There never has been security guards checking your junk to make sure you're not going in to diddle children or whatever. Nor do you have to be opposite sex to diddle children or other grown people.

>these people hate their own bodies so much they mutilate them
Sovereignty over one's own body is of fundamental importance to the concept of American liberty. Get over it. They aren't mutilating your body. And I know plenty of Amerifats that hate their own body anyway even though they aren't gender confused. Look at all the plastic surgery and female body image issues you have in America.

>>80828446
>nobody is under any obligation to listen to what they have to say
Yes I agree. So what are you bitching about? Is someone forcing you to listen and get triggered? I am under no obligation to listen to your ranting bs either mind you.

>>80814204
>Not even Dave chappelle is safe
Not even the only black comedian I like is safe. Fuck this shit.

>>80828508
Are you shifting goalposts? Couldn't defend your original position regarding words?
>shower with whoever they want
Are they literally raping you? That's against the law y'know

>everyone needs to look my opinion and validate it
Top kek. Ironic.

>>80814256
Why don't people get that social media is not like news media. It is reactive and hive like.

>>80828360

I already know what gender means, like that says, the state of being male or female. The problem, however, with liberals is that they insist gender has a different definition. It helps to define terms when talking to someone, to make sure people are on the same page, otherwise people talk past each other.

A gender role is a social role based on someone's gender (which is the state of being male or female). But stupid feminist philosophers like Judith Butler insist that "gender is performative" which suggests that gender can be changed simply by acting a different way, putting on a different performance, that appearance or behavior determines gender. Which is false. They have confused the meaning of "gender role" with the meaning of "gender." An example of a gender role is a homemaker. There are certain behaviors associated with that social role, like maybe taking care of kids, cooking meals, etc. In a culture, if males go out and hunt, and females stay home and gather, those are gender roles.

Gender norms are social norms associated with a given gender (which is the state of being male or female). For example, in one culture it may be a "masculine" gender norm to be strong, and a "feminine" gender norm to be submissive.

When liberals use the word "gender", they are usually referring to gender role, they've collapsed the term "gender role" into the term "gender", so that the term "gender role" would basically mean "role role."

Trannies reject the scientific fact that gender is the state of being male or female. They delusionally believe that gender is how others in a society perceive you.

>>80828707
>Y-chromosome
Meant XX-chromosome

>>80814625
This.

I don't know if the Black community will be fooled by liberals for much longer.

>>80828512
>Alt-Right
>think they give a fuck about faggot and tranny rights
It's the sub human leftists who cry over that shit. Welcome to self devouring entity that is left.

>>80814370
well said

>>80828818
Read past the first few words anon

>>80828683

Rape is forced sex. The concept of "violation" doesn't have to enter into it at all.

>>80819895
>I guess "woke" now means going all in in regards to the liberal doctrine.
>they literally live in a matrix
>yet they think of themselves as the real redpill.

Hint - the real redpill is on the right, it accepts reality for what it is much more. The left ignores the laws of the universe. The see an apple and say "it's not there". I get it, it's all a figment of your imagination. But at the end of the day you are imprisoned to this reality.

>>80828872
the point is, by who?

>>80828707
>For someone who thinks she's so logical, you seem to be making some grand leaps of logic.

Do you think false beliefs are harmless?

>These things infringe on other peoples' rights. The right however to say what you want is a hallmark of Americanism.

A guy wearing a wig and going to shower in the girls' locker room is not "free speech." That in fact infringes on their right to privacy.

>If a post op tranny has a dick, sorry I'm not gonna fuck her because by your definition she is a Y-chromosome wielding female. It's not as black and white as you'd like.

Gender aka sex isn't always black and white. Some people have mutations where they have a Y chromosome and undescended testes and they look female from the outside. But that is not the case for most trannies.

>Can is the key word here. I've never had a tranny try to make me pay for his/her operation. And not all trannies are advocating the government subsidize their operation.

Your Tax Dollars Will Pay for Chelsea Manning’s Reassignment Therapy
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/14/your-tax-dollars-will-pay-for-chelsea-manning-s-reassignment-therapy-and-that-s-a-good-thing.html

>You never had a right to separate but equal restrooms in the first place nor was your hypothical ever protected by anything.

Why do you think restrooms or locker rooms were ever divided by sex in the first place? That's not discrimination.

>Sovereignty over one's own body is of fundamental importance to the concept of American liberty. Get over it. They aren't mutilating your body.

Is harming others morally wrong? Is harm morally wrong? Then how can harming yourself be morally right?

>>80828737

The US federal government is forcing people to accept men coming into female restrooms and locker rooms, because Loretta Lynch doesn't understand Title IX, which doesn't even cover "gender identity" (which is bullshit btw).

>>80828792

I'm not shifting goalposts. People here are insisting like trannies only go around using "free speech", but a man going into the female locker room is not exercising free speech, he's infringing on the right to privacy (that thing that liberals say gives a woman the right to murder a baby) of women to not have a guy staring at their naked bodies.

"Transgender" rights, or rather, the rights that delusional mentally ill people want, don't stop at the right to claim to be a gender they are not (and lie). It involves everyone else respecting their fraudulent account of reality.

And nobody needs to validate my opinion.

>>80826524
The cultural expectations of a given biological sex is a social construct. They're also not the primary thing people are supposed to identify themselves by

I report trannies on tinder and write "not a female"

>>80829230
>The cultural expectations of a given biological sex is a social construct
Genders are a social construct. But instead of going "so why bother distinguishing gender from sex" they use it to create more genders - more social constructs.
Sex is a physically quantifiable thing. What these people should do is ask "what is the best abilities of both sexes" rather than "you can be anything you want".
You can be anything you want, but your life will be miserable because of it, because it's not adapted to your physical restraints.

>>80828866

Oh, the recent myth that gender concerns differences in behavior? No, that's ridiculous.

If you change your behavior, you have not changed your gender. You can certainly try to fool people into believing you are a different gender, with a different appearance and different behavior, like in Victor/Victoria or Tootsie or Mrs. Doubtfire, but your gender has not changed. Because your gender does not depend on how others perceive you. Because gender is the state of being male or female, aka sex.

>>80829053
>do you think false beliefs are harmless
Most christfags are pretty harmless so yes. Sometimes. Not all the time.

>A guy wearing a wig and going to shower in the girls' locker room is not "free speech."
Nor did I say that. You're confusing the arguments here.
>Infringes on their right to privacy
You have none in a public restroom. Even before the bathroom bill, chick could check out other chicks and dude could check out my very small penis.

>Some people have mutations where they have a Y chromosome and undescended testes and they look female from the outside
Some are born with both genitalia. And like I said, you're not getting me to fuck a post op tranny because technically she has two x chromosomes.

>Your Tax Dollars Will Pay for Chelsea Manning’s Reassignment Therapy
You do realize you didn't actually refute the points I made right? But that's ok. I can understand not wanting to have your tax dollars go to these kinds of surgeries but you're throwing every kind of anti-Tranny argument at me all together as if they all go together. Whether or not they get to use any bathroom. Whether or not we should pay for their surgeries. Whether or not they have free speech. Whether or not it is a mental disorder. These things aren't the same argument nor do they necessarily hinge upon eachother.

>That's not discrimination.
That is by definition discrimination but I won't argue semantics like others have. Restrooms were separated to give the separate sexes s sense comfort and privacy from the opposite sex. Public restrooms aren't entirely private. You aren't guaranteed privacy in public, you just have an assumption of less likelihood of peeping toms. But that assumes you don't have people of the same sex checking you out. And like I noted, you never had guards protecting the restrooms to make sure you aren't a disguised tranny infiltrating. There wasn't ever protection against molestation either.

>>80828963

Usually by whoever is doing the forced penetrating.

>>80829269
check your priv cis

>>80829053
>Is harming others morally wrong? Is harm morally wrong? Then how can harming yourself be morally right?
Moral rights and wrongs are opinions that people do not agree upon and usually have no logically infallible justification.
Whether or not it is morally wrong to hurt yourself isn't as simple you might want to make it sound. Is it morally right to force another person to not hurt themselves? You are stripping them of sovereignty over themselves and their body. But you have the arrogance of paternalism that you know what is right for them. Maybe you do.
What is important imo is justice. Legal right and wrong. And I do not think it is legally right for you to decide for others.

>>80829386
don't assume my gender freak

>>80829094
>which is bullshit
Because you don't like it doesn't make it go away.

And now you're shifting goal posts. Anon said no one has to listen to you. They are right, you don't have to listen to someone's opinion if you don't like it.

What you're talking about isn't speech, it's law. The law is also forcing men to accept women coming into their restrooms and locker rooms. Stop being a reverse sexist feminist gosh.

i love how everyone loses their mind about the poor black comedian when in other threads you go full white supremacy.

but the whole debate is silly. there aren't only 2 genders, that's a biological fact. shemales, for instance.

also its funny how you spend half the time debating against it and then you go to /gif/ and half the threads are about bailey jay and other shemales.

>>80829330
>Because gender is the state of being male or female, aka sex.
No it isn't. The whole point is that gender is not necessarily based on physical features.

In any case, why does it matter so much to you that somebody born with a Y chromosome might consider themselves/feel more comfortable identifying as female?

>>80829210
That's what shifting goal posts is. We were talking about speech and now you're talking about a law.

>infringing on a right to privacy
You don't get a right to privacy in a public bathroom. You never did. But that argument is separate from the one we were having on free speech.

>everyone else respecting their fraudulent account of reality
No one can force you to like it or respect it. I don't like that weed and other drugs are illegal but that's the law.

Can we at least all agree that it some sort of mental illness and or complex? Mostly gay guys who are ashamed and ugly guys who have vagina envy

>>80829299
>Genders are a social construct.

Only inasmuch as all words as social constructs.

No, gender, the state of being male or female, aka sex, and the whole existence of males and females is not a social construct. However, all the "new" imaginary genders are social constructs. With the way that liberals speak about gender, that it's "performative", they have turned the word "gender" into a social construct.

Gender roles are social constructs. Like for example hunters/gatherers. But when SJWs say "gender" they are really referring more to gender roles. They believe if you change your role, you can change your gender. No. You have merely changed roles. They falsely believe that gender is a role. SJWs have replaced the term "gender role" with "gender."

>>80829230
The cultural expectations of a given biological sex is called gender and yes it is a social construct.
>they're also not the primary thing people are supposed to identify themselves by
Good luck convincing even 10% of the population to get on board with that. Even typically hetero normative people are enormously defined and identified by their gender identity.

>>80829330
You're having a hard time with the words. You're arguing semantics which is really just a petty stubborn way around accepting that the word gender has been redefined as the social behavioral difference distinct from the biological sex differences.

I've pointed that out as have many in this thread so you're not adding any new information to the topic. I really do not care if you want to accept the new definition for gender. Whether or not you accept it DOESN'T CHANGE REALITY. You're still going to have people with penises that rather be feminine and people with vaginas that rather be masculine in their outward presentation.
The words we attach to those real phenomena are just words.

>>80829557
>The cultural expectations of a given biological sex is called gender
So you believe that when a registration form asks for your gender they want to know which social expectations you abide to?

>>80826509
>race and its popular implications are absolutely socially constructed.
False.

all i know is if you got a peepee you better put it in a vajayjay or boy you gaygay

>>80829633
No I don't. Maybe they should update their documents to say sex. Many documents do use sex and not gender.

You guys are arguing over semantics. It's very funny. Ok, you don't like calling it gender. So let's say we come up with an entirely new word. Will that really be enough to make you stop bitching? I don't believe so because I don't really that is genuinely the source of your frustration so you're being obtuse and going off on tangential points. If we used an entirely new word you'd be bitching saying that is a bullshit term because you either have a dick or you have a vagina. That's really the issue you have isn't it? It's not over the semantics. You don't want any term for people with dicks who want to wear dresses or wear makeup, or act feminine because you simply don't like that people want to do that...but people do and having a word to categorize that is efficiency. Not having a word for that won't make it go away. You'll still be bitter and triggered.

>>80829541
>>80829299
>>80829336
Society is a biological construct.

>>80814222
>muh /pol/ boogeyman

>>80829775
Yes it is. Words and language as well. They are memes meaning even the word meme itself is a meme.

>>80829800
We should all just communicate via dick swinging.

>>80829815
That's what rappers have been doing for 3 decades now and they seem to be having great success fucking famous sloots and getting vapid basic bitches to dance to their music.

Also I think you just came up with a good idea for Arrival 2.

>Right wingers defending a Muslim
I didn't see that coming

>>80829336
>Nor did I say that. You're confusing the arguments here.

Is the argument that trannies are simply exercising their right to free speech?

>You have none in a public restroom.

Maybe not in China where they all shit in a hole. That's why stalls exist. And men peeping on women is much more prevalent than women peeping on men.

>You do realize you didn't actually refute the points I made right?

You said "I've never had a tranny try to make me pay for his/her operation." If you pay taxes in the US, then yes, I did refute your point.

>Whether or not they get to use any bathroom.

Who is stopping them from using the same bathroom they used the first years of their life?

>That is by definition discrimination but I won't argue semantics like others have.

Not all separation is "discrimination." In one sense, discrimination means recognizing differences. But in common usage, it means unjust treatment of different people.

>Restrooms were separated to give the separate sexes s sense comfort and privacy from the opposite sex.

So why should trannies get to violate that right to privacy?

>Public restrooms aren't entirely private.

Urinals aren't. But a tranny will have to use a stall no matter what.

>You aren't guaranteed privacy in public, you just have an assumption of less likelihood of peeping toms.

There's a greater assumption of privacy in public restrooms than outside them. Hence why it's illegal to film people in public restrooms, which is only made easier by everyone having a videocamera in their pocket.

Maybe there are a few gay people who want to film the same sex in a public restroom. But voyeurism like that is mostly men watching women. And when it comes to trannies, it's mostly men dressing like women.

The nature of "gender identity" (which is not empirical, it cannot be objectively verified) creates a loophole where any creep can simply say he is a woman for access to a restroom or locker room.

>>80829859
Allah ackbar

this thread shows you guys are idiots falling for the media trap. /pol/ is getting played like a fiddle.

yes, yes click on these articles, talk about them, google them, share them with your friends. youre outraged. do you hate dave now or love him more? yes good job peasants *evil laugh while i count my ad revenue money*

>something new comes out
>a few people get upset by something in it/not in
>they tweet about it
>one of those few people writes a "news" story about the "controversy"
>other "news" sites see the story and copy it
>people start discussing it and it becomes an actual controversy

If you look before the news articles came out, practically all the talk about Chapepelle and his new specials were positive. Only about five or so people called him "transphobic and homophobic." Then they started posting these news articles and suddenly it's all people talk about. This is manufactured bullshit and it happens every fucking day.

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>>80814204
>Mfw the left are eating each other
Anyway...
>Social media critics
So any over-opinionated, under-informed chuckle fuck with internet access?
>I was hoping for a woke Dave
Thinking for yourself and offering opinions and insights which rock the boat is the very definition of "woke."
>Not constantly kissing gay and trans ass is now hate speech
He asked a very simple, powerful, and fair question. You can think of yourself however you want, but to what extent are others obligated to reinforce your delusions?

Dave Chappelle, Jim Jefferies, Jim Norton, and George Carlin are the Mount Rushmore of "only sane men" comedy.

>Welp. Put a fork in him. He's done.
>A black man is "done" because some snowflakes are ass-blasted about something he said/did
No. I will legit be shocked if he acknowledges the "outrage" for any reason other than to mock it.

Can you imagine what it would have been like if these people had been around when Eddie Murphy did his stand up?

>>80829380
ok, do you know what goes on in the mind of a dog, or a bird or a lizard? No.

Animals don't have wills, they only have instincts, rape is an act of will, thus only humans can do it

>>80829859
I'll take Islam over feminism any day.

>>80830037
PULL OVAH

>woke is now a term people use positively rather than to denounce conspiracy theorists
Whoa

He's a rightist working for leftitst. It was a matter of time. He's shit anyways. IQ levels of his fans are really low.

>>80830065

Faggots was mad.

>>80830084
everyone who makes millions of dollars becomes rightist. you dont want half your money taken away for taxes.

>>80828512
I thought this was a board about Shows and Films, there's a political board right here

>>>/pol/

>>80829407

I can see how morality is subjective. But I think most people would agree that an action of someone harming them, or someone inflicting suffering on them, is morally wrong. And that an action of someone helping them, or someone alleviatig their suffering, is morally right.

If harming others is morally wrong, isn't harming yourself morally wrong? Maybe you could mention consent, maybe someone might consent to harming themself. But someone smoking tobacco consents to doing that, yet they are still harming themselves. And people can consent to things that they regret later on. Just because you consent to something, doesn't mean you have full awareness of what's happening or what will happen in the future.

>Is it morally right to force another person to not hurt themselves? You are stripping them of sovereignty over themselves and their body.

If someone wants to bash their head into a wall, and you hold them back, I think most people would see that as saving a person from themself. But I also tend to think people have a right to suicide.

I think there is a difference though between self-harm and suicide. Self-harm increases someone's suffering. Suicide ultimately ends suffering, it's an escape from suffering.

I think people do have bodily autonomy. So some guy could dress like a woman.

But I don't think it's an injustice to tell someone, "No, you can't go into that rest room, keep going into the one you've always gone into to." They're not being denied anything by going into their old restroom, except everybody bowing down to their delusions.

>>80829875
>Is the argument that trannies are simply exercising their right to free speech?
Depends on which argument you're currently making. At first you were complaining that you shouldn't have to listen to trannies. I didn't say a form of action was free speech.

>Urinals aren't. But a tranny will have to use a stall no matter what.
What's the issue then?

> And men peeping on women is much more prevalent than women peeping on men.
Got stats to back that up or just feelings? Stalls exists in both male and female restrooms. If stalls are your answer then what are you complaining about? And like I said no one had ever made sure you weren't being peeped on in the restroom. There wasn't anything stopping men or more realistically cross dressers from going into your restroom.

>But in common usage, it means unjust treatment of different people.
Which is why I said I won't argue the semantics. But notice how people are freaking out about the modern usage of Gender?

>So why should trannies get to violate that right to privacy?
You don't have that right. You have an assumption of privacy in a public restroom and you noted you already have a solution called a stall.

>Hence why it's illegal to film people in public restrooms
Trannies don't have a right to film or sexually harass you in the restroom.
>And when it comes to trannies, it's mostly men dressing like women.
Got stats on that? I see plenty of women who try to pass as men.

> But voyeurism like that is mostly men watching women.
Let's take for granted that's factually true. There weren't protections from that before. Furthermore, you can see plenty of videos often posted here of women who are secretly getting videoed with up-skirt shots and what not.

>creates a loophole
A free society comes with loopholes. Most places with restrooms that fall under the bill still are likely to have plenty of people around that would deter predators.

>>80829456
>Because you don't like it doesn't make it go away.

Some people think they are prophets. Do you have to recognize and validate their "prophet identity" deep inside them? No.

And identity itself is a social construct. You're born, okay, here's your name, here's your identity, this is how we do things in this culture, this is the language we speak, etc.

>>80830148
>most people would agree
I think you might be wrong here. Everyone knows tobacco is bad for you. Everyone knows McDonalds is bad for you. The population doesn't even agree on euthanasia.
>An action of someone helping them, or someone alleviating their suffering
Well that's where things get tricky isn't it? Helping and forcing are not the same thing. Alleviating their suffering may very well mean allowing them to undergo gender reassignment surgery.

>If harming others is wrong isn't harming yourself morally wrong?
I wouldn't say so. Harming others is a very different thing. The other person may not want you to harm them. You are stripping their sovereignty. And the concept of regret for harming oneself is big fat slippery slope. Who doesn't have things in their life they regret? Does that mean some authority gets to be a nanny-state like force to determine for you if you can or can not do things that don't harm others? Adults should have the sovereignty to make their own mistakes imo. You can voice your concern and warning but it's very authoritarian to think you get to decide for them like you are their parent.

>But I also tend to think people have a right to suicide.
I agree but I would ask you a similar question to the one you posed earlier regarding regret. Obviously a dead person has no regrets but who is to say that if you intervened and stripped their sovereignty to make that choice that later on they would thank you for helping them? This is the logic many people use to opposed suicide.

>I believe in body autonomy
Earlier it didn't sound like to desu. Even the first part of this post sounds like you don't.

>But I don't think it's an injustice to tell someone, "No, you can't go into that rest room, keep going into the one you've always gone into to." They're not being denied anything by going into their old restroom, except everybody bowing down to their delusions.
That's a separate argument.

>>80829469
>The whole point is that gender is not necessarily based on physical features.

Then why would trannies try to change their physical appearance to appear like the opposite sex aka opposite gender?

Sex, aka gender, is a deep physical feature, in every cell in your body.

And it matters if someone with XY chromosomes "identifies" as female, because they are not female, they are operating under a false belief. And how would they even know what being a female feels like? They may feel more comfortable "identifying" as something they are not, but it doesn't stop there. If guy walks into a female locker room, that could make much more people uncomfortable.

I could see how a guy dressed like a woman going into the men's room could make men uncomfortable, and maybe even violent. But in that case, maybe the guy should drop the charade.

Transgenderism is charades. Pretend. Roleplaying.

>>80830224
Nothing you posted is in contention with what I said. No one can force you nor am I advocating people force you to validate gender identities. Identity beyond the specific molecules that comprise your body are a construct. That's what I have been saying.

I just find it odd that people get triggered over the word gender now being used to refer to the psycho social characteristics distinct from the biological characteristics. The post I was responding to said gender identity was bullshit. Seems like a very real phenomena to me.

>>80829508

Some anon said "Don't like it, don't listen." But accepting trannies isn't only about hearing them lie and say they're the opposite sex and nodding and agreeing with their lie. They want to push the envelope. Accept them in the wrong restroom. Accept them in the wrong locker room. And that's what Attorney General Lynch forced on everyone, based on a misinterpretation of Title IX which is about discrimination, but makes no mention at all of "gender identity" (because that's a new meme).

>You don't get a right to privacy in a public bathroom.

Try filming someone under a stall and see what happens.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyeurism
>Non-consensual voyeurism is considered to be a form of sexual abuse.

>In some countries voyeurism is considered to be a sex crime.

>In the United States, video voyeurism is an offense in nine states and may require the convicted person to register as a sex offender.

>>80830329
Well I'll tell you something, that guy who wants to identify as a feminine certainly doesn't feel like I do. That seems very clear to me. Whether or not he knows what a woman feels like doesn't really matter to me. He probably doesn't. He's different. But he and I are also different. There's a clear distinction. Therefore we create words to define.

Define:
to determine or fix the boundaries or extent of

>>80830447
Well you'd have to argue if gender identity can be discriminated against. You say it like it's a given that it can't be included but I think many people would disagree with you.

>Try filming someone under a stall and see what happens.
Like I said, the law doesn't allow trannies to do that. You don't have clear rights to privacy in the public restroom. You have stalls, you have your typical rights. People can't rape you because they passed the bill. They can't come into your stall after you've occupied and locked the door. They can't sexually harass you.

>>80829557
>The cultural expectations of a given biological sex is called gender and yes it is a social construct.

No, those are gender norms and gender roles. Which are social norms and social roles depending on gender aka sex.

If a culture expects men to be hunters, that is a gender role, not gender. A gender role says "X gender is expected to fill Y role."

If a culture expects women to wear dreses, that is a gender norm, not gender. A gender norm says "X gender is expected to behave Y way."

Gender is not a norm, gender is not a role. Unless perhaps someone believes everyone has a soul, and that souls are genderless.

>>80830551
You're arguing semantics but I'll just direct you here:

>>80828360
Sorry to break the bad news to you.

>>80822320
Whites don't rape, libcuck.

>>80829618
>You're arguing semantics which is really just a petty stubborn way around accepting that the word gender has been redefined as the social behavioral difference distinct from the biological sex differences.

The word gender has been redefined by a small subset of humanity, most likely based on Judith Butler's absurd idea that gender is "performative." No, it is gender roles that are performative. She simply took an existing term, gender role, and retermed it "gender", collapsing the meaning of "gender role" by simply cutting off the last word, role, which IS performative.

Behavioral differences are not gender, they are merely different behaviors. You cannot change your gender by changing your behavior, anymore than you can change your species by changing your behavior. Gender precedes behavior. Because gender aka sex is the state of being male or female (although one could certainly argue that mutations lead to a larger spectrum than simply male or female).

People using a word wrong doesn't change reality. It creates a new consensus reality among a small group of people, which doesn't change reality. People using the word "gender" to refer to gender roles is redundant, since the term "gender role" already exists. Gender roles are social behavioral differences that differ depending on gender aka sex.

The "new definition for gender" is itself the social construct. And "from falsehood, anything follows"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_explosion

Hence scores of new "genders" detached from reality and in the realm of fantasy now.

I can accept that a male may be more feminine, perhaps due to lower testosterone or higher estrogen. Or that a female may be more masculine, perhaps due to higher testosterone or lower estrogen. But the idea of "this is how masculine acts" is a gender norm, not gender. The idea that "this is the role a feminine person fulfills" is a gender role, not gender.

>>80829761

The point is this. Sex is gender, gender is sex, the state of being male or female. But SJWs say "gender" in place of the already existing term "gender role." They say "gender" to refer to cultural expectations of behavior (gender norms) or cultural expectations of social roles (gender roles). But those things already have terms! Judith Butler took the concept of "gender role", chopped it in half, and insisted "this is what gender means." No, it's what "gender role" means.

>You don't want any term for people with dicks who want to wear dresses or wear makeup, or act feminine because you simply don't like that people want to do that...but people do and having a word to categorize that is efficiency.

They're called crossdressers. Transvestites are not transgendered people.

Your clothes don't make your gender. There may be gender norms that men wear this and women were that, but they are social norms based on gender aka sex aka male or female.

>>80830041

Rape is forced penetration, and yes, male animals do that all the time to female animals.

>>80823622
Why are you responding to that post as if it was sincere? Are you some kind of retard?

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>>80814204
>i was laughing my ass off when he was talking about blacks, asians, hispanics, oj murdering his wife, but i had to turn it off when he started talking about gays and trannys.

>>80815130
>Someone in the middle
whining about people whining is "the middle" now?
> gets called a Nazi.
You're the one >implying that /pol/ is nazi.
> What's new with you people?
what do you mean you people?

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>>80815149
>Bloated cunts with no lives whine on the sewer of the internet
wait so you weren't talking about this thread?

>>80830158
>At first you were complaining that you shouldn't have to listen to trannies.

I was saying nobody has to accept their delusions.

>What's the issue then?

The issue is men being given a free pass to enter women's restrooms or locker rooms, where women will possibly be victimized.

>Got stats to back that up or just feelings?

Given that most "creepshots" posted online are of women, I think it's safe to assume men are taking them.

>If stalls are your answer then what are you complaining about?

Secret recordings.

>But notice how people are freaking out about the modern usage of Gender?

Because Judith Butler can't just redefine a word willy nilly and expect all English speakers to go along with it.

>You have an assumption of privacy in a public restroom and you noted you already have a solution called a stall.

The walls in stalls rarely go all the way to the ground. And smartphones exist now.

>Trannies don't have a right to film or sexually harass you in the restroom.

They don't. But males claiming to be females and being allowed to enter the women's restroom will make it more likely that women will be filmed or sexually harassed in their own restrooms.

>Got stats on that? I see plenty of women who try to pass as men.

https://tgmentalhealth.com/tag/prevalence/

>There weren't protections from that before. Furthermore, you can see plenty of videos often posted here of women who are secretly getting videoed with up-skirt shots and what not.

Yes, "In the United States, video voyeurism is an offense in nine states and may require the convicted person to register as a sex offender."

>A free society comes with loopholes. Most places with restrooms that fall under the bill still are likely to have plenty of people around that would deter predators.

Why create a new loophole that will allow men legal access to women's restrooms and locker rooms where females could be secretly recorded going to the bathroom or showering?