Will Star Wars ever top this duel?

No.

>>80725667
Nope. Why do people even ask this?

Kylo vs Rey did, it's extremely powerful and emotional. How do people not see this?

>>80725667
Yes. It was topped in Episode 3.

>>80725667
Episode I (Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon vs. Darth Maul)
Episode III (Obi-Wan vs. Anakin Skywalker)

So /tv/ Do i watch Rogue one tonight or some of this korean cinemas The Host
The Unjust
Going by the Book
Friend
Bleak Night
The Man from Nowhere
Breathless
The Yellow Sea
Nameless Gangster
The Good, the Bad, the Weird
Mother

>>80726289
Almost, but I feel as if there is more emotion behind Vader and Luke's duel and that there are more stakes.

>>80726400
Dunno about those other movies, but how can you not watch Rogue One? Last year nearly every movie that came out was shit. It's hard to name any of them better than Rogue One.

>>80725667
It's fun to watch because Luke is such a jobber. You know Vader could end the fight any second but just plays with him sadistically like a cat would a little mouse.

>>80726400
Just replying to +1 The Man From Nowhere

Do not pass up this primo Korean Kino (K-Kino)

>>80726297
>>80726328

You have autism

>>80726289
There's no way posts like this are sincere right? They can't be.

>>80726592
>>80726710
i will eventually watch every movie from the list but just wonder is rogue one worth i didnt really like that much the last star wars movie

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>>80726863
wow, you don't like the prequels, what a staggeringly original opinion

>>80725667

Honestly no. The fight at the end of ROTJ is the only one that even remotely comes close. The part where Luke snaps and starts wailing on Vader as the music swells is especially powerful

>>80726980
They are both good, but I prefer Empire. The lighting, the score, the lines. It's all in Empire. However, Luke at the pit of carkoon is probably my favorite Jedi scene even though it's not a lightsaber vs lightsaber duel.

>>80725667

I prefer the fight at the end of ROTJ, it builds on the end of this fight where Luke gets his hand when he sees that Vaders arm is machine just like his.

>>80728298

This.

RotJ fight is better, but they're both awesome.

>>80728298
Same.

The empire strikes back duel was the only one where Vader was legitimately terrifying. Especially when Luke lands that glancing blow on his armor and he goes rage mode and ends up taking his arm off

>>80726465
This.
>>80726864
Ah, the classic "if a statement is bold yet controversial, then it's bait" post. Ironically it's people like you who belong back in reddit.

>>80726974
You have autism

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>>80725667
>yfw they already did

>>80725667
it was topped 3 years later, and then again 22 years after that

>>80725667
darth maul fight was obviously better

>ITT a bunch of millennials try to hate on Empire, the best star wars film to date by saying ROTJ is better

>>80728919
I think Empire is a better film but as a Star Wars fan I like Jedi more. There's more emotional value for me with the whole Luke/Vader confrontation at the end

>>80726289
>Kylo vs Rey did
Not really. There isn't much of an emotional hinge to the duel because Rey barely knew Han and has little connection to any of the soap opera she got willed into.

Even before the paternity reveal Vader represented a potential path for Luke. In terms of composure, too, there is an interesting contrast. Vader is cool and always calm. Luke only ended up in that fight because of the impulsiveness he demonstrated for the entirety of the movie. And this contrast is even apparent in how one-sided the fight itself is -- along with the result. The Rey/Kylo duel is pretty visceral and exciting, but in terms of narrative it's not that interesting. And I haven't even touched on music or set design.

>>80725667
No.
Star Wars' all time peak is "The Force is with you young Skywalker, but you are not a Jedi yet".

>>80728298
totally this.
that side tracking shot when they are battling. the music, the set bathed in blue light and the raw emotions are pure kino.
bravo lucas

>>80728958
I think the entire sequence with The Emperor, Vadar, and Luke in the Death Star is the best Star Wars has ever been.

>>80729061
I don't think it's as good as Empire's duel and it's weakened by cutting to stupid endor and stupid death star 2.0

>>80729209
I agree with the cutting to endor part completely. Still like the Death Star scenes themselves though.

>>80729061
Agreed. I like all the movies in star wars to some extent but that sequence is the absolute best the series has to offer.

>>80726974
You were entertained by 30 minutes of nonstop swirling light.

I'm not certain that's a sign of being on the spectrum, but it doesn't look good for you.

>>80729209
Death Star 2 as a concept is stupid but the execution is so good. It's the best space battle in the whole series

>>80728919
A New Hope is the only part of the main series that stands by itself. Empire might be the "cooler" choice, but it needs the viewer to have prior knowledge of what's going on to get the full impact.

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>>80729399
>Reddit arguments

>>80729505
No shit. Same with all star wars movies and most sequel movies for that matter. However, even in Empire you have everything you need as a standalone film. If you notice, Empire re-establishes things you learned from the first film.

>>80729505
The only thing you need to know to get the full picture is who is Ben, you don't even need to learn Luke's backstory, the story Ben tells him because ESB establishes Vader as a vilain so well

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>>80729402

Couldn't have said it better.

It's just insane how much time and effort went into the effects, particularly the space battle. Totally shows though, they weren't bested for 10 years at least.

RoTJ also has the best duel imo. It has the most emotion of any fight in the series.

>mfw people say The Phantom Menace had the best duel in the series

>all those underages thinking prequels had better duels

>>80728771
My nigga.

>>80728919
If you think it's a new and contrary opinion to enjoy the final duel in RoTJ as the best part of the trilogy, you may want to kill yourself.

It was topped in Return of the Jedi.

>>80725667

No. This is swashbuckling realism that now would be choregraphed into oblivion. It would be fetish superduper ninja nonsense. Sometimes less is more.

>>80728919
>being this much of a butthurt neckbeard who thinks that since Empire was better than Jedi that the duel in Jedi wasn't better
C'mon son.

>>80729209
>I don't think it's as good as Empire's duel and it's weakened by cutting to stupid endor and stupid death star 2.0

Endor could have been made dramatic by replacing Ewoks with Wookies.

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>>80730407
All you need to do is figure out just how much of their budget you need to slash in order for them not to afford being able to blow too much on the duel, but not enough for them to cut it short

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>>80728973
I agree but I liked the set design work in the Rey v Kylo fight. It was enough practical and enough CGI and green screen to be enjoyable.

However, as most posters have already pointed it, it didn't have enough emotion to even come close the ESB fight and doesn't hold a candle to RotJ...but perhaps that's the point. The saber fights in ANH were quick and fleeting, and overall pretty unremarkable.

Could it be pottery?

>>80729784
It's almost like most sequels are bad for exactly that reason, you fucking contrarian little shit. Empire ends on a drawn-out cliffhanger. It can't stand alone as a single film for that alone.

>>80726289
The main thing that really stood out for that fight fight was the setting.
Dark snowy woods is the best setting there has been for a duel with main source of light being their sabers and the snow melting as it gets close to them.

>>80730715
It's not really drawn-out, that whole verbal exchange is like 90 seconds.

>>80730715
Keep on hating Empire, stupid millennial. It's still the best.

>>80730715
I don't think the ending is all that dissatisfying, though I can see why people would have maybe felt that it was at the time.

I think thematically it's a pretty complete movie. The characters are left beaten but still with hope, and the last scene conveys that well. The only major loose end (and it is major, to be fair) is Han.

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>>80729036

>Luke literally FIGHTING his Father out of the darkness and into the light from under those skywalks with that music playing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li0vFxbo3sY#t=2m55s

>>80730038
The battle above Endor still holds up so well. The music, the effects, shit even the acting. Billy Dee just looks like he's having so much fun as Lando. It was the perfect ending to the series

>>80725667
wow that picture is shit
and maybe, but nothing in the franchise so far has

>>80726592
yeah man!
remember when they went to the rebel base?
and when darth vader took out his lightsaber!
best movie of the year by far!

>>80729061

Of course it was, it was the culmination of what the morality in Star Wars is about, black/white and good/evil.

It was never a spastic battle for survival with lightsabers, it was a battle of ones own moral compass and will.

>>80729036
lucas was not involved, that's why it's so good

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>>80730996
>yfw you realize luke has the high ground almost the entire fight.

>>80730514

>darth maul tries to do the head-hit thing with the middle of his twin lightsabers like he did to qui-gon

Nice touch.

>>80730996
>Skywalker
>Jumps onto skywalk
Pottery

>>80731188
lucas personally directed those scenes (luke, vader and emperor) as well as overseeing the sfx, desu.

>>80726289
this. to see a white girl overpowering a white man because of her black lover is really empowering.

>>80729036
>>80730996
gives me nice goosebumps

Personally I think the final confrontation between Luke and Vader in RotJ was the best. The score makes it.

>>80730511
That was Lucas' original plan, but the big wigs said wookie toys wouldnt sell well amongst the younger viewers so he had to substitute them with something more 'child friendly' a la Ewoks.

>>80729402
>ostensibly a capital ship battle for the first time in star wars
>they don't actually engage each other
>they're just background dressing for the fighters

>>80730996
KINO

>>80728771
eh the Jedi duel is brought down by the first half but once Vader is looking for Luke in the dark and taunts him about Leia and Luke goes apeshit on him, absolute kino

I realized the last time I watched Jedi how much Han and Leia having nothing to do brought down the movie. The space battle is still great and Luke vs Vader/Emperor is absolute kino

>those faint piano notes of the Imperial March that plays when Anakin dies
>viking funeral in the Vader costume

also does anyone prefer Yub Nub to Victory Celebration for reasons other than nostalgia? Victory Celebration is such a great song and fitting for the end of the trilogy, Yub Nub just sounds like something from a kids show. And this is coming from someone who hates literally every other change Lucas made in the re-releases.

>>80729505
>Sequel is bad automatically because it's not an original film

fucking WHat

I think the Empire duel was better shot ("But you are not a jedi yet" might be one of the best single shots in the trilogy), but in terms of the duel itself Jedi was better. In Empire Vader was just fucking with Luke, in Jedi they were actually fighting.

>>80730996
does Luke yell "DARTH!" before wailing on him or "NEVER"? The screenplay I have says it's "NEVER" but I hear "DARTH"

>>80731764
Empire as a whole is incredible cinematography wise. I watched the three films back to back recently and there's such a jump in quality between ANH and ESB it's almost shocking. A lot of it can be attributed to a bigger budget but Lucas literally had his film school professor direct it for him because he knew he wasn't good enough. Then he got mad when Kurtz/Kasdan/Kershner cucked him to the side and made the best film in the series so he got rid of everyone except Kasdan and was more involved in Return of the Jedi, which is definitely a downgrade from Empire outside of the special effects shots.

>>80731770
i remember it as ''never''

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>>80731600
>Viking funeral
>no boat
GTFO

>>80729731
>calling something reddit
>I'm mad that not everyone has autism like me

kys

ROTJ is a fantastic segment because of all the emotional turmoil and the brilliant dialogue but it really isn't that good of a duel compared to ESB. Half of it is the three men talking and Vader/Luke afraid to attack the other. I really hope Luke improved his swordplay because his form was awful in Jedi, just swinging around crazily.

>"Hey George, I heard you're going back to the three Star Wars films to clean up the special effects for the re-release, do you want me to start with Luke turning on the lightsaber for the first time in A New Hope? The cut is a little wonky"
>"hm, nah. I have some ideas for Mos Eisley"
>"you want us to clean up the bottom of Luke's speeder?"
>"nah I was thinking instead we could have a bunch of CGI things walk in front of the screen"


>20 years later and the fucking lightsaber turning on still looks like shit, but at least Ewoks blink now

>>80732008
Vader is awesome in both duels he's what makes them both. Luke is just his scrub that pulls him back to the light

>>80731964
I was about to respond by asking if there are even boats in the Star Wars universe, but then I remembered the canoe thing in Attack of the Clones

why would they need a canoe in a universe with spaceships and speeder bikes

did they have it just in case of a forbidden romance

>>80731982
>kys
>>>/reddit/

>>80732098
It's probably a novelty thing on Naboo. Fucking Qui Gon rented a space submarine that took him through the entire planet...which apparently has an H20 core fuck you Lucas

>>80732345
>"there's always a bigger fish"

I just don't understand why Lucas put that line in the movie. It's not sarcastic, it's almost like Lucas was trying to write a quip, but he didn't tell Liam Neeson to deliver it like that.

fucking hell how do people think the prequels are good

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>>80726289
>some girl sees Han Solo getting killed
>suddenly gains dueling and force powers out of nowhere and beats a trained sith duelist without any real training
wow so powerful :,(

>>80732701
I get your point, but you've seriously triggered my autism
http://www.slashfilm.com/kylo-ren-is-not-a-sith-in-the-force-awakens/

>>80731133
>remember when
No, not really

>>80732701
>a trained sith duelist

I see you weren't paying attention.

>>80732815
For all intents and purposes Snoke and Kylo might as well be Sith, which is both an amusing example of TFA's chronic redundancy and also makes the Chosen One plot introduced in the prequels even more stupid and pointless.

>>80730639
>However, as most posters have already pointed it, it didn't have enough emotion to even come close the ESB fight and doesn't hold a candle to RotJ...but perhaps that's the point. The saber fights in ANH were quick and fleeting, and overall pretty unremarkable.
>Could it be pottery?

Pretty much this.

>>80731360
You mean kino hills?

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The slower fights are the best for some reason, maybe it photographs better?

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>>80726640
Rey will probably screw up at least once during her fights.

>>80731443
What big wigs, Lucas WAS the big wig. It was his decision to make ewoks to sell cute toys, he also didn't kill off Han because "you can't sell dead Han toys"

>>80725667
No but Anakin vs Obi Wan in Episode III comes close. Those are the top two Star Wars duels by miles though.

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>>80725667
You mean this one?

>>80733588
There's emotion behind them. All the PT fights look overly choreographed.

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>>80731764
>>80731915
Why does this look like something out of a Jodorowsky flick?

>inb4 cubist pepe decals on the wall

>>80733180
There's a fine line between being a chiropractor and being a masseuse

>>80726592
Rogue One was bad. If you're going to watch it, pirate it and prepare yourself for two hours of tedium.

>>80726592

Watch more movies you damn pleb.

>>80725667
I doubt it but it remains to be seen what can be built up to in 8&9. The final fight with Luke vs Vader is probably the best overall in the series in terms of poignancy, with Rey vs Kylo and Vader vs Obi Won ( RotS ) fighting for second.

I feel like in the new movies they've finally got the right balance between the originals and the prequels, in terms of fighting styles displayed, effects, pacing etc. All they need is a strong story hook for a later fight, some clean coreography without over the top effects or setting, and a memorable resolution for the last lightsaber duel of the core saga.

>>80732701
yeah remember all that training Luke had with a lightsaber before his duel with Vader

oh... wait

>>80732701
It's not about training and power levels you fucking autist, it never was, and never will be

>>80733588
it's because the people are actually fighting for a reason and we know both of their motivations, as well as the fact that they're shot tastefully and aren't over the top "who can do cooler lightsaber tricks" competitions

>>80734002
>>>80732701
>yeah remember all that training Luke had with a lightsaber before his duel with Vader
>oh... wait
The Millennium Falcon. Blind folded.

>Eat shit scrub

>>80734002
Don't forget that Vader was jobbing it because he wanted to bring Luke over to the dark side, not actually kill him.

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>>80734079
The heavier lightsabers gives us time to watch the actors appear to plan their strategy as well.

>>80734203
All he learned was to block shots.
>Look, good against remotes is one thing. Good against the living? That's something else.

From what I hear, there was supposed to be lightsaber and more athletic training with Yoda but it was never filmed or never included in the final cut. So it's sort of left a mystery as to how the hell he managed to take on a skilled swordfighter after blocking some stun bolts a couple years ago.

>>80726289
Kys

>>80734356
I always thought some years passed in between empire and jedi where he trained with Yoda some more. the beginning of jedi paints him as a much more matured jedi.

>>80734203
yeah, that's all the training he had. If anything Rey had more preparedness because of how good she was with her staff.

but regardless, there's a reason why Finn got his shit kicked in when he tried to duel Kylo and Rey didn't. She's force-sensitive, Finn isn't. I don't get how people don't understand this

>>80734356
Oh hang on a minute.

>>80732701
Dude. She was established earlier as being a competent fighter. But she was good with a stff, not a lightsaber. Finn may have gotten his spine fucked up or whatever, but he was doing a much better job than she was. It was only because she was able to calm herself and tap into the Force that she was able to hold off Kylo Ren long enough to escape in the planet's breakup.

>>80734515
Some time did pass but I don't think he ever returned to Yoda until we see him go back in ROTJ. At which point his hand was damaged and he hid it under a glove, probably because he was ashamed to show it to him.

And also because circuitry was showing.

>>80734515
he didn't have a lightsaber until literally the beginning of Jedi when he finished constructing it, even if that scene was cut

>>80734032
>vader toys with luke because he is vastly more experienced

obviously the force has something to do with it, but UNTRAINED vs HIGHLY trained, theres only so much force bullshit you can have

>>80734515
Luke did not see Obi-Wan or Yoda at all in the year or two between ESB and RotJ.

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>>80734002
And he got his ass handed to him by Vader you moron

>>80730514

I don't understand. How did he kill Maul? He didn't slice him in two.

>>80733710
Huh, didn't think I'd see my webm posted by someone else.
neat

>>80725667
I don't know if the Jedi duel is better, but it's certainly great in its own right.

>>80734857
what about the second time? because he didn't train between Empire and Jedi, he didn't even have a lightsaber until right before the Jabba's Palace sequence

>>80735001

The outcome of that battle is the combination of Vader's inner turmoil coming to a head (not wanting to kill his son) and Luke momentarily giving in to his rage/Dark Side (when Vader mentions converting Leia instead).

>>80730514
... is this the entirety of their fight?

>>80734948
I used to have a gif but it was too big to post, so I was glad someone made a webm. So, thanks.

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>>80735001
You do realize he trained with Yoda more during the several years between those movies right?

>>80735064
okay, well Kylo just got shot in the stomach and Rey had just seen the first father figure she's had in her life get murdered by Kylo, as well as being unsure whether or not Finn would survive his injuries.

>>80735208
but not with a lightsaber, he didn't have one until right before he went to Jabba's Palace. And when in the movies is it mentioned that he trained with Yoda again between the movies?

>>80735001
He still wasn't that good of a fighter. Maybe took a couple of fencing classes but he would still have had his ass handed to him if Vader actually tried. Clearly our boy was meant to be a negotiator like his mother.

>>80726289
It was a return to form in terms of how the fight choreography should look (ie, not like choreography) but had little emotional weight.

>>80730996

The bit of music underscoring that scene is probably Williams' best work, period.

I really doubt that there will ever be another fight that has this much pure emotion driving it put to film ever again.

>>80735587
Rey vs Kylo in IX has a chance but who knows if that's where the story is going, or if Treverrow is capable of directing a scene with that level of emotion. I don't get how they went from picking Rian Johnson as a director to picking Treverrow. Johnson we know is talented, but he's not a blockbuster/franchise director like Abrams. They took a risk with him, but then they picked Treverrow to direct the last film in the series? I genuinely can't think of any explanation, aside from Jurassic World doing well, but that didn't really have anything to do with him. It would have done well anyway.

Joe Cornish would have been a good pick imo. He's already worked with Boyega on Attack the Block, and was also JJ's choice for who to replace him as the director of Star Trek Beyond

>>80735287
How do we know he didn't build it like a year and a half before episode 6? Also it's assumed that all the characters are actually you know, DOING something between the movies. It would make sense that look was continuously training with yoda.

>>80735790
Agreed, Treverrow is bland as fuck.

>>80735790
>Joe Cornish

FUCK, he would've been a great pick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x-6HsNbB38

>>80735790

Nah my dude, I literally don't give a shit about any of the characters in The Force Awakens. I only barely care about Luke because who knows how that'll turn out.

>>80735884
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ayT0EZwbks

this is how I know he didn't build it a year and a half before episode 6

>>80735790
>Rey vs Kylo in IX has a chance but who knows if that's where the story is going
Kylo was one of the few good parts in TFA, and I think his character could convincingly develop in a couple interesting ways. Rey on the other hand is entirely up in the air. She could be interesting, she could get even more dull. Depends on VIII.

My hopes aren't really high for the trilogy overall.

>>80735105
pleb.

>>80726289
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>80735931
yeah but imagine it's 1977 and you just saw Star Wars. Would you imagine 2 films later you'd be watching Luke and Vader duel like that with that much emotion behind it? None of that emotion was built up in ANH, aside from Luke wanting to avenge Ben's death (and Rey likely wants to avenge Han's) it was all set up starting at the end of Empire, but mostly in Return of the Jedi.

They have 2 films to get Rey and Kylo to that point, so that's why I said there's a chance. It depends on what happens in 8 (crazy how we literally know nothing aside from a few spy shots of extras in costumes with less than 8 months left before it's released) and also what happens in 9

>>80736135

We also have bad actors and actresses instead of good actors and good actresses, buttressed by poor writing and direction. I don't see it.

>>80734976
It also has the better ending, luke has won. Hes proven hes stronger than vader and could easily take his place, but no, "iam a jedi like my father before me". Ive always believed this line is what made vader grow a pair and kill the emperor. Its what hes wanted for so long and lukes belief in him gave him strength to do it.

>>80733578
kek nice one m8

>>80736169
Adam Driver is good.

>>80730996
fucking ace scene
the score has an alexander nevsky/prokofiev vibe
john williams was an absolute beast.

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>>80736335
As is Boyega. Daisy Ridley I could take or leave but she seems like a nice person.

>>80736169
>Adam Driver
>a bad actor
>Carrie Fisher
>a good actress and a better one than Daisy Ridley

holy hate goggles

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>>80735959
Deleted scene, didn't happen in the movie

Jedi>Empire>Hope
TFA and Clones were trash
Menace was bad but the fight scene was fun with Maul vs Qui Gon and Kenobi and the Podracing scene, everything aside Menace was just as awful as TFA and Clones.
Revenge of the Sith was okay, but not good.

>>80736756
okay, but that doesn't mean your headcanon is any more correct. You've yet to show me where it's stated that Luke trained with a lightsaber with or without Yoda a year before Episode 6

>>80736867
>Jedi>Empire>Hope
This is literally the worst arrangement of these three movies that I have ever seen.

>>80736879
>headcanon

not the anon you're talking too but...
its a fucking movie and its implied that he can use a damn lightsabre if hes a fucking jedi.
if you dont understand the tone of a movie, then seek help.

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>>80725667
It's the greatest duel in film buh.

>>80736879
I'm not that anon. I just wanted to shitpost dancing Yoda

>>80736968
Jedi is better then Empire

>>80736978
what are you talking about? the guy was arguing that Luke had training with a lightsaber off-screen even though he lost his lightsaber at the end of ESB and didn't build his second one till the beginning of Jedi, even if that scene was cut. I don't know what part of that debate triggered you and made you think I need to seek help, unless that's you projecting.

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>>80736879
Luke was never a skilled fighter, even in RotJ...Vader just didn't want to kill his son and pulled his punches, so to speak.

That's pretty fucking obvious when you see Vader fucking shit up at the end of Rogue One. Firstly Vader tried to Carbon Freeze his ass (mercy) then simply chopped his hand off (mercy) then pulled more punches by just chucking his saber at the catwalk instead of Lukes head.

Then he literally let Luke beat him down to prove to the Emperor that he was worthy of his position, because he was old and wanted to die. Fucking shit is a layer cake son...and it goes deep.

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>>80736993
Are you sure of that?

>>80737269
okay... this has much better choreography. But Empire has a sense of dread and horror to it that a lot of movie duels lack.

>>80737204
nigga if you're willing to think that deeply into Luke's duels against Vader then Kylo and Rey shouldn't be an issue for you since the criticisms of her being a mary sue or whatever aren't really applicable to that fight specifically considering the context

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>>80731600
I'm with you RE: "Yub Nub". If we could have a final OT edit where the only Lucas tinkering that survives is the replacement of Yub Nub, I'd be content.

BTW, the next time you re-watch the original Yub Nub, listen for Leia's cackling a split-second before the credits kick in. Very distracting. But it's mostly muted with the new score.

>there are actual people who think the duel in RotS was good

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>>80737406
I never said it was a problem for me, it just doesn't have the context of the OT fights. I liked it and thought it was fine.

>>80737513
certainly better than that fight in the first SW and the one in AOTC

>>80737471
holy shit I never noticed that, she sounds like fucking Hillary Clinton laughing

>>80737678
wow they managed to top an old man and a guy who can't see shit swinging sticks at each other with 40 year old special effects, and the fight at the end of the worst film in the series. Really exceeding expectations there

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>>80737513
It was good for like 45 seconds and then it went full retard.

>What the fuck is this shit?
Is the most common response to that scene. The only thing remotely decent about it was the music and the impeccable training they both had to do.

Thematically the whole thing sucks. "I HATE YOU" is almost as bad as "I hate sand"...fucking script fucking sucked.

>>80737513
I give them props for not making Anakin and obi wan cgi. Some parts of Mustafa were real sets too

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who was channeling the dark side more in this fight? was it kylo ren, who just killed his father in cold blood and had his heirloom taken from him by an outsider? or was it rey, untrained and reckless, raised by the barbaric wastes of jakku, who just saw kylo kill two out of three of the only friends she had in this universe?

>>80731770
I thought he said Noo!! But his voice messed up. But yea, it's Never.

>>80737878
Rey, imho, but I think it was supposed to look like she was becoming one with the Force. She looked more like a ravenous monster to me though.

>>80735959
So he's doing some maintenance on his saber, or are we really supposed to believe Luke threw his light saber together in some desert cave before an important mission? He's not exactly tony stark.

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>>80730996
>tfw getting chills without even pressing play on the video
TFA has nothing even close to this.

>>80725667
Damn Luke is thicc

>>80726289
>harvesting all these (you)s
And my moisture credit don't even cover my property tax bill.

Fuck you

>>80733870
I had to take 4 breaks watching it. You're not joking.

>>80730996
>when Luke loses it and just starts bashing Vader

I love this moment. And I love the absurd comparison of this moment, where Luke's anger overtakes him and he essentially becomes a barbarian swinging wildly at his enemy, and the moment when Qui-Gon Jinn dies in Ep 1 and Obi-Wan's anger overtakes him and he proceeds to do some sweet dance moves on Maul.

>>80736879
I always assumed Luke was training somehow between ep 5 and 6 because he was more skillful with lightsaber at jabba palace than at cloud city
I think thats why the scene aforementioned was cut off

>>80731308
fucking kek

>>80725667
Thread deserves a link to it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-DeI3ohVbY

Still love this duel so much.

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>>80733870
>2 hours of tedium
>literal 45 minute battle to end the movie that covered base, ground, beach, jungle, air, space, and boarding party combat

Stick to your cartoons and anime with the jeddy jeddy slash slash you insufferable faggot

>>80737878
Rey looks like a dumpy idiot there. Obi and Ani are warriors caught in a struggle.

>>80729399
Wrong.

>>80740651
That and Vader saving Luke encapsulates the power of the dark side and the light side. Luke succumbed to the darkside in that moment and defeated Vader effortlessly and he saw how powerful it was when he saw Vader in a pitiful pose without a hand. The goodness in him won and he threw the lightsaber away in protest, ultimately his light side overtook Vader and was able to defeat sheev

No idea why people bash the prequel duels.

If two highly trained lightsaber welders are dueling, an outsider watching would only see flashes of light because they're so fast.

>>80743650
They are actually slow enough to tell they are just randomly waving their swords around becuase it's cewl!

>>80743716
I just rewatched all the old Vader scenes and he is nowhere near as menacing or threatening in the OT than in R1.

I hope they do more with the character. The Sho Torun War is particularly awesome in the comic.

>>80743459
The reason this is so great is the tension. There's no music most of the time and the moments leading up to it are hype as fuck.

>everything goes quiet
>Luke looks at his blaster, puts it away like he knows what's about to happen
>God tier set design, great spooky atmosphere
>blue everywhere
>orange lights come on, completing the kino, Darth Vader exhales at the same time
>The force is with you, young Skywalker, but you are not a jedi yet (amazing voice acting)
>that look on Luke's face when he turns to see him
>Luke walks up the stairs, Vader breathing
>spooky atmosphere is maintained throughout, nothing interrupts it until the right moment when Luke and Vader turn on their lightsabers

And I haven't even covered the final minute and a half of the duel when the reveal is made.

Even though you know Luke is going to lose, it all works perfectly. The only thing that comes close imo is in TPM when Qui Gon and Maul are fighting in the reactor room with Obi Wan trapped behind the laser wall, and the continuation of the fight when the wall comes down and Obi kicks his ass.

>>80725667
the only enemy is the enemy within

>>80743650
This. Fuck the haters.

>>80743716
Go to bed, grandpa.

>>80725667
already topped years ago m8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOhZ5wD6u7A

>>80730996
At 3:45 vader falls down for no reason. This fight blows. It's two amatuers petting each other with fake swords. Nothing more.

Vader's scenes in R1 were the best swordplay.

>>80743976
He was exhausted and stumbled. Anything else you want me to explain to you?

>>80726289
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>>80743976
> it just looks like hur dur ur

If you don't get into anything you can scrutinize everything and it's not that impressive

>>80744056
No, because it's fucking trash. Their footwork is terrible and half of their strokes didn't even need to be parried.

>>80728919
Empire is a better movie as a whole, but the duel at the end of Jedi was immeasurably better than the one at the end of Empire, and easily the best lightsaber fight of the franchise.

>>80743976
Vader fell down because he gave up. He wasn't going to kill his son.

>>80744113
You have autism.

Star Wars will never top that duel because they are never going to try to make you care about its characters again, it's just a bunch of nostalgia and other marketing gimmicks to get you in a theatre to watch a bunch of Big Bang theory tier characters who are relatable and fun to hang out with in a star ship and they press a button and "go woah that was cool" or " I got a bad feeling about this", but when the chips are down these characters will never hold the same weight as Luke and Vader

>>80726289
Rey is pregnant so it makes the battle every bit more important in hindsight. You'll see.

>>80741891
I think that scene really was just luke calibrating a light saber he had built at an earlier date, just to show that he a new one. Not that he had just built it in that scene. Think about it it's part of a two-part reveal, you show the audience that he has a new different looking lightsaber and you get them wondering what it's like when he uses it, and it wows everyone that it's green because people weren't expecting it.

anyone have any good star wars /lit/ recommendations?

don't care if it's non-canon or whatever just looking for a good story

>>80726289
Good fight, but it didn't have the buildup Vader Vs. Luke had.

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>>80745869
Shatterpoint, The Cestus Deception, and Kenobi.

>>80746036
>good fight

Fuck you. JJ can't film fight scenes for shit.

>>80746073
thanks dude, i'll be sure to check these out

>>80726328
>Episode I (Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon vs. Darth Maul)
This right here

Also there will never be a sith more badass than darth maul

midichlorians

>>80745869
I haven't read a lot so not sure if it's the "best" but the original trilogy that introduced thrawn and mara jade is pretty good. It's set 5 years or so after RotJ (I could be wrong about the timeline) and pretty sure that while elements of it have been lifted into the new canon, it's not by itself canon anymore.
They're by timothy zahn, the first one is heir to the empire.
It has some doofus crap in it as well but Thrawn is by far the part of the expanded universe - and I guess he's legitimately part of the new canon since he's in Rebels.

I haven't re-read it in years so it may be way stupid, but I remember the Dark Empire comic series by Dark Horse being decent. Pretty sure they have passable comic adaptations of the trilogy i mentioned above as well.

>>80746901
>It is a time of renewal, five years after the destruction of the Death Star and the defeat of Darth Vader and the Empire.

Spot on dude. This sounds like a great series, I'm definitely gonna pick this up.

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best duel right here

Empire is best, and it doesn't even come close. Return of the Jedi duel is still better than all of the prequels, but Empire has everything perfect. The lighting in the carbonate freezing room. The lines.

"The Force is strong with you young sky walker, but you are not a Jedi yet."

"Impressive, most impressive, Obi-Wan has taught you well"

"Luke, don't make me destroy you!"

"No, I am your father!"

Then the scene when Vader begins throwing everything in the room at Luke until he get's sucked out the window. That's my favorite Vader scene combined with John Williams music.

The way Vader gets pissed off when Luke hits his shoulder, causing him to shop off his hand. Everything is perfect. The lightsaber choreography is better too.

The entire plot of Empire is about father and son. It's about Vader's obsession to find Luke. It's literally the only film out of the three that is completely 100% about Luke and Vader. The plot is simple and too the point.

Jedi would be stronger if it was not such a convoluted 2 movies in one mess. Honestly the Emperor was good, but everything between Luke and Vader was not as good as before.

To be honest, I prefer the first act of Return of the Jedi over the second act. Pit of Carkoon > Vader vs Luke on Death Star 2.

>>80746901
They are also the shitty books that made hot chocolate a rare space treat and added Luuke.

>>80726400
Man from Nowhere

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>>80725667

>>80749036
>the scene where vader throws everything in the room

That's the worst part of the duel though. It halts all of the tension for an awkward scene of Mark Hamill getting hit with boxes and David Prowse standing there doing nothing, and the music doesn't work with the scene at all. I almost want to fast forward past it every time I watch the movie, but then the third act of the duel really finishes strong.

>>80749325
You're an idiot. That music is intense. It show's how powerful Vader is and just how much he is fucking with Luke. All acts of the duel are good, but the only thing awkward about that part is your autism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-DeI3ohVbY

>>80749425
Nah. That middle scene definitely stalls the flow of not just the duel, but the whole movie too. Watching Hamill flail around with piss poor reaction time and floating gently out the window is almost laughable.

>>80749560
I should add: there's even a little swoosh sound effect when he flies out the window. So silly.

Is this kino?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWF0f183tSA

>>80725667

Yes

>Episode I (Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon vs. Darth Maul)

>>80749592
No. JJ doesn't know how to film fight scenes

>what? give the audience a good view of the fight? nah!

...and the choreography is shit. Watching Rey stumble around like a dumpy idiot with her garbage costume on is a chore.

>>80749560
>>80749583
Go back to watching the cartoons, millennial.

>>80749592
Yep. 2nd best light saber fight next to Empire.

>>80749683
Not an argument. Try again.

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>>80725667
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65As1V0vQDM

>>80749652
Fuck you asshole. Is 10000 times better than prequels' fights.

>>80749726
>Rey's theme is 8/10 at best
>it's the best track on the score by a longshot

>>80749753
Is it? I can never get a good view of the action whenever I watch the movie because of all the fucking trees and close ups/fast cuts.

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>>80749774
>>it's the best track on the score by a longshot
The sad part is that this isn't even a meme. The score was shit overall.

>>80749774
true

John Williams failed on this one. I guess he's too old. For me, the main attractive of Rogue one was what Giaccino would do, and it was better than Force Awakens (but miles away from Williams' better days)

>>80749792
>close ups/fast cuts
not even true. It's not ESB, but it's not Greengrass Bourne neither

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>>80725667
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzVBqBosf5w

>>80749872
I think John Williams puts as much love and care into his composing as the director puts into the film and JJ doesn't give that much of a fuck about anything but making money, so John did this for the paycheck.

>>80743716
You can also argue this for the OT. The duels look slow, clunky and very unrealistic. Real sword fights are incredibly fast and over in seconds. Hollywood movies never get this right. That Totally Phantom menace video points this out but retards think it's about the prequels not movies in general.

I swear these people are children thinking OT fights were good because "realism". No one ever thought that. People liked duels because they were glowing laser swords in 70s Sci fi

>>80749898
It's not on the same level as most action flicks these days, but it's still pretty bad. George Lucas at least gave you a good clear view of the action while creating kino at the same time.

>>80738554
>TFA has nothing even close to this.
Of course it doesn't. It's the first movie with those characters, can't even try to achive this. It does its own thing and does it great. Han's death or Kylo/Rey/Finn fight are great scenes on their own

>>80730038

the space battle hasn't been bested in the 30-whatever years its been since the film came out

no movie has so excellently shown a fleet based space battle, let alone one that actually mattered to the plot or was written into the plot.

some things have done great things with smaller scale engagements of a few ships, but I've yet to see a fleet sized battle that beats rotj.

even visually its still impressive

>>80749968
The only thing TFA did great was make money, just like it was designed to do, and nothing else. You have to hand it to the jews. They know how to make movies that make money.

>>80749931
Oh, c'mon, why all that hate for JJ?

>>80749964
Now I know you're just trolling

>>80750097
You need to be 18 to post here.

>>80750043
Th only thing TFA did great was making me, somebody who loves the OT and finds the prequels stupid, have a wonderful time, enjoy more than two hours of cinema, laugh, get exited, and clap like a motherfucker when the credits rolled up. ANd you know? That's the only thing it had to do

why are lightsabers now, as of TFA, incapable of actually inflicting greivous wounds

when finn/kylo get swiped by one all it seems to cause is some localized burning. finn gets sliced up the spine and kylo gets slashed across the face yet both suffer relatively mild wounds. Kylo isnt even dispatched by his

>>80750184
It's a stupid answer and doesn't deserve any better. And I'm 35

>>80750256
>why didn't they kill their major characters in the first movie?

>>80750238
>>80750257

Go to bed, JJ.

>>80750272

perhaps dont bother inflicting what should be grievous wounds to main characters with lightsabers then

its just dumb watching these advanced/powerful weapons make what would be killing blows if done with any manner of mundane bladed weapon, just cause some burns.

>>80750256
Making the lightsaber act more as a sword. I mean, why didn't Luke's lightsaber cut Vader in half when he struck his shoulder in Empire?

>>80750272
>lightsabers are the only way to hurt characters

Are you drunk?

>>80749931
If you think John Williams didn't do a good job, then you don't really know much about music to be honest. John Williams actually goes back to his original inspirations for this one.

>>80750256
Because grevious was shot by a blaster not killed with a light saber

>>80750336

vader has lightsaber resistant shoulderpads, obviously. every other time the lightsaber inflicts a wound its usually a brutal dismemberment

unless kylo has a lightsaber resistant face, and finn has hidden armor over his back, this doesnt fly for tfa

>>80750336
Your argument doesn't hold up because in Rogue One Vader slices right through a metal door with no effort.

>>80730996
this is one of my favorite bits of any movie ever. pure kino.

>>80750350
stealing from gustav's planets suite?

>>80750366

JJ didnt make rogue one

probably why it's at least watchable

>>80750350
>John actually goes back to his original inspirations for this one

Oh, wow. The music sounds completely different now that I know that. It's weird how all of the tracks just changed completely into better music.

>>80750429
>>80750390
>People who don't know anything about good music

>>80750410
>JJ didn't make Rogue One

That is irrelevant. It's still part of the new canon that these nu Star Wars fans seem to love so much.

>probably why it's at least watchable

I don't agree with that at all. It's actually worse somehow. It feels like a direct to video flick. Something I watch once and never again. I hope.

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Empire is kino af

>>80750365
it could be argued that these blows were just extremely light

>>80750444
John, I'm sorry, but TFA wasn't your A game. You need to go to bed now. You shouldn't be up this late.

I like how to justify the hate for TFA, the same people that defend OT fights for not being realistic but dramatic and loaded with emotions now argue about light sabres wound not being lethal to the main characters of the future trology

>>80750486
>That is irrelevant. It's still part of the new canon that these nu Star Wars fans seem to love so much.

disney isn't likely to police details like this between movies

the director is going to decide what he wants a lightsaber to do in each scene. JJs off to a good start giving no shits being consistent about it or anything else, very reminiscent of his star trek

>>80750272
Like they did for Ben and Tarkin ?

>>80750365
>vader has lightsaber resistant shoulderpads, obviously.
that's a joke, right?

>>80750365
>lightsaber resistant shoulder pads
Is this from one of your books, Anon?

And clearly neither Kylo nor Finn suffer from sword strokes designed to split them in half or sever their heads now did they?

>>80750366
All depends on the intent of the sword stroke. Vader was clearly putting effort into that kind of use of his weapon.

>>80750551
One of the most stupid answers I ever saw in this board

>>80750538
>JJs off to a good start giving no shits

That's literally why he sucks so bad.

>>80750574
Like they did for Qui-Gon and Maul ?

>>80750573
>depends on the intent

You're saying Luke went specifically for a glancing blow that would only make Vader mad when he hit his arm?

>>80750551
>>80750615
3 of these characters were old, and 2 of them were supporting characters.

>>80750631
More that Luke isn't all that great with a lightsaber which is why Vader can so easily overpower him once he begins taking the fight more seriously.

>>80750653
Qui-Gon was literally the main character of TPM tho. It was him who made almost all the decisions in the movie.

>>80750659
How good do you have to be with a beam of pure energy to cut someone's arm off or otherwise deal a fatal blow?

>>80750703
And Obi-Wan and Anakin took his place as main characters in the next movie.

>>80750753
That doesn't cancel the fact that they killed a main character in the first movie.

>>80750722
As as good as you have to be with a real sword, Anon. You seem to be missing the forest for the trees here.

>>80725667
Darth Maul v.s. Pre Viszla

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEu_U78XFg4

>>80725667

>ANH ends with the trench run
>ESB ends with Luke vs. Darth Vader
>For some reason every movie that followed needed to end with a lightsaber duel.

Th-thanks George...

>>80750560
>>80750573

it's literally the only moment in the entire OT where a lightsaber glances off something like that

the rest of the time, including seconds later, it causes eviscerations, dismemberments, etc. I don't think anything metal is shown to offer appreciable resistance, including ATAT undercarriages, miscellanious machinery, vaders hand, etc

so yeah, it seems fairly obvious that his shoulderpads are made of some material that is resistant to lightsabers

>>80750773
Did you ever consider that I was calling him out as the exception in this post?>>80750653

>>80750781
Real swords have blades made of pure energy that cut through a foot of steel with no effort?

>>80750859
Lightsabers bounce off walls/metals a bunch of times if I remember right

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>>80750859
>I don't think anything metal is shown to offer appreciable resistance
They should just build doors out of whatever material that wall was made of. It'd really fuck the Jedi over.

>>80750256
It fits with the battle damage Luke and Vader gave each other in TESB.

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>>80751024

>>80750917
So you're an expert on the capabilities of energy swords, Anon? Once again, you're missing the forest for the trees.

>>80751117
see>>80751083

>literally arguing that lightsabers aren't impossible fictional weapons that cut through metal with ease.

>>80751149
The fuck are you on about? Star Wars is pure fantasy. It's not even science fiction.

>>80751017

no

it leisurely chops through everything on cloud city, the tubes in the carbon chamber, the thing vader flings at luke before blowing out the window, the railings before luke loses his hand, the three posts all clumped together before luke loses his hand

vader chops down the entire suspended walkway in rotj with a simple toss

>>80751199
What the fuck do fantasy and science fiction have to do with this?

>>80750703
>not getting the pottery

>>80750615
>>80750551
You are trying to say that Lucas didn't want those character dead but HAD to kill them because you have to die in a lightsabre fight?

Are you retarded?

>>80732267
Never been to reddit, but id rather be reddit than sperg.

>>80751307
'no'

>>80751290
No, I was trying to say that killing main characters isn't something unthinkable in Star Wars.

Are YOU retarded ?

>>80751358
Ben and Tarkin are not main characters and Maul has little screentime and almost no dialogue.

>>80751396
See>>80750703 I'm not going to link you the entire discussion with the other Anon because you are too stupid to scroll up the thread.

>>80751485
Did I mention Qui-Gon anywhere in this post?>>80751396

Yes or no?

>>80751358
Seriously, this conversation is stupid. Qui Gon, Maul, Kenobi and Tarkin were meant to die and Finn or Kylo are mean to live. It has nothing to do with the lethality of a light sabre. We can argue how inelegant is to have them involved in a duel since you can't kill them, from a writer's perspective. But you're obviously too fucking dumb for that, seeing your stupid responses

>>80751582
Between this faggot
>>80751199
>>80751117
>>80750781
>>80750659
>>80750573
...literally trying to argue that the lightsaber isn't a powerful beam weapon that cuts through metal with ease, and the fucker who sees the name Qui-Gon in these posts

>>80751396
>>80750653

I'm about to punch myself in the head.

>>80743976
Vader was a depressed burn victim who had almost no quality of life left and who at this point, knew he only existed at this point to help the Emperor turn his son. After that Vader is useless and dead. He definitely wasn't going to kill his son, it was obvious of that after ESB. He had finally decided just wanted to get it over with and just let Luke win so he could die. But he didn't expect his son to be stronger than he was and resist the Emperor, so he had to save him before he finally died

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>>80726289
Only when Rey puts on the mask, and it's Dark Rey vs Light Kylo in episode 8.

>>80751971
>Only when Rey puts on the mask
Maybe then people will start caring about her.

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>>80752062
Yup

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>>80751202
Sabers bounce off things all throughout that ROTJ fight. It pretty much operates on Rule of Cool consistency.

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>>80726289
No, it wasn't.

1. Luke vs Vader (Empire)
2. Luke vs Vader (ROTJ)
3. Rey vs Kylo Ren
4. Obi-Wan & Qui-Gon vs Maul
5. Obi-Wan, Anakin & Yoda vs Dooku
6. Yoda vs Sidious
7. Obi-Wan vs Vader
8. Obi-Wan vs Anakin
9. Mace Windu vs Sidious
10. Obi-Wan vs Grievous
11. Obi-Wan & Anakin vs Dooku (ROTS)