Dont mind me, just pirating some wine!

>poorfags will defend this

Cool meme. But that is theft. Pirating would be someone buying a wine and sharing it with a group of people who did not pitch in to purchase the wine.

>download movie
>movie still available for others to download

vs

>taking wine
>only you have the wine

>>80653353
But that's not true because the wine in that case would be a limited supply and would run out, prompting the consumer to go buy more to actually stimulate the economy and support the wine-makers.

>>80653353
So theft?

>>80653388
There's more wine in the store, steal your own.

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Just taking this cash now, if I like it I will give it back later!

>>80653416
Do you go to wine parties and scream "thief" at people?

Pirating would be him placing that wine he purchased in a molecular cloning device and handing the cloned wine bottles out for free.

>>80653353
Wine is not intellectual property dumbfuck

>>80653353
You are buying the experience of
consuming that media. By pirating you get that experience for free ergo it is stealing

>>80653307
this bait would work better on /v/

It's not stealing if they still have it.

>>80653388
Even though it's still available the very act of downloading it costs the filmmakers revenue and it is therefore theft.

>>80653353
No
Pirating the wine would be him cloning an exact duplicate of the wine and then sharing it with friends

>>80653353
Wrong. Wine piracy is what Jesus did.

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>Don't mind me officer, I'm not doing anything wrong, I'm just copying the money and distributing it!

Piratefags are delusional. I have more respect for a pirate who just admits he's doing wrong than trying to justify it as some moral crusade like a filthy redditor.

>>80653477

Normally I just get kicked out and fall into a deep abyss of depression the next morning when I realise what I did the night before.

>listen to a song on the radio
>this is fine
>download the song off the internet
>get thrown in jail and raped

Faggot's will defend this

Pirating movies is essentially the same as walking into a movie theater without paying.

>>80653556
No

Pirating the wine would be him commandeering it on the high seas

>whiteknighting multi-million or even billion dollar companies

>>80653594
do you think radio stations just play songs without the label's consent?

>>80653594
Not a faggot and yes I do defend it
Radios have to have permission to play songs on their airwaves
Stop justifying your criminal behavior

>>80653605
Yeah, because who the hell relies on the income of big companies? Only really rich people work at big companies after all.

>>80653605
> Muh morality is for sale
I have never pirated a single second of anything. When I pay for something I feel like I earned that movie and I enjoy knowing I helped pay the creative people that work so hard..
It called having a work ethic and pride.

>>80653628
Give me one good reason why it's wrong to download a song that I can also listen to on the radio that doesn't revolve around you pigs obsession with money.

>>80653717
>give me one good reason why I should tell someone they dropped a 50 that doesn't revolve around your obsession with money

>>80653717
Because you listen to the radio to hear a song. In return the station sells access to those listeners to ad companes and pays salaries which enrich communities.
If you want to hear a certain song when you like you have to pay for that right same as the radio station.

>>80653605
>People with lots of money don't have intellectual property rights
Go fuck yourself

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defend this piratefags

>>80653841
Fucking this
/thread

>>80653406
Or, they buy the wine share it with some friends figure out how this wine was made and reproduce endless bottles of that wine for each other.

Still not theft

But even if it were, fuck you I'm stealing your shitty reboot when I'm bored at home

>>80653837
This, the rich are job creators. When you steal from them you take jobs away.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLDw1A7ktiU

this device enrages anti-piracy fags

>>80653682
I'm sure you work for Sony or some shit and take a pay cut because of pirates. Faggot
>>80653698
Good goy

>>80653841
Piracy steals income from the greedy Jews that run the world.

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>>80653906
>I'm sure you work for Sony or some shit and take a pay cut because of pirates
Even if I did that would just be evidence of your behavior being destructive and shitty.

>>80653837
Funny I didn't say that you whiteknighting faggot

Piracy is copyright infringement and not "theft". Comparing it to actual thievery is stupid and pointless. You cant really make a "real world" allegory since its not possible to literally copy a product completely without any difference in reality unlike in the digital world. Or maybe you could but it would just be like selling knockoff products except they are the same quality I guess. I lost my train of thought but imma hit post anyway

>>80653886
>Still not theft
If the winemaking process is patented it definitely is

>>80653841
>piracy steals income
where the fuck is my shekels for all the kino I've downloaded then?

>>80653910
>it's ok to commit crimes against someone because they are a different race than me

t. black person

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>>80653560
was going to post this, beat me to it

>>80653960
Yeah you implied it retard

>>80653945
The point was that pirates don't do shit to affect jobs retard

>>80653910
>it's ok to commit crimes against someone because they are a different race than me

t. jew

>>80653886
If you reverse engineer a wine and made it for yourself and your friends fine. There's no illegality in that as long as you don't start selling it. Pirates don't reconstruct movies though.

>>80653698
Ever watch TV at a friend's house?
You help pay his cable bill that month?

>>80653978
>burn copies
>peddle said copies on the street corner
>????
>Profit
There's your shekels, retard

>>80654009
>imply buzzword
Kindly kys

>>80653841
Income = Original

???

piracy = theft = you're probably black

>>80654021
>There's no illegality in that as long as you don't start selling it.
it's perfectly legal to reverse engineer something and start selling it.

>>80653575
So what's the difference in pirating and a library? Both buy 1 copy of something and share it with others for free.

>>80654012
They may not now in any large numbers since piracy is still mainly practiced by hyper consumerist geek culture nerds. If you give it to the plebs and it becomes morally acceptable yes, you will start affecting industries. If everyone thought like you nothing would ever get produced.

>TFW you look through your neighbor's window and watch the movie they're watching without paying

Fuck are you gonna do now anti-piratefags?

>>80654046
But he doesn't do that now does he dumb fuck :)

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>>80654018

>>80654046
that's selling pirated material

you don't get shekels from simply pirating something.

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just admit you don't want to pay for it

>>80654094
Literally no one but retards buy music anymore, you're wrong

>>80654090
Same with GameStop. They make money selling used games and give back nothing to the publishers.

>>80654090
The same flaw as the "but they play songs on the radio" argument. There's an agreed-upon process in place. Libraries don't just send a guy to a bookstore, buy a book, have him photocopy it, then start sharing.

SOMEBODY STOP THESE KIDS! THEY'RE STEALING THE MONA LISA

>>80654164
Game companies have the option to withdraw from Gamestop if they find that process unfavorable. It's still a consensual exchange.

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>tfw the first guy to commit piracy was fucking crucified for it

>>80654104
Sounds like a personal problem now then doesn't it faggotron4000

>>80654120
Real pirates got shekels from pirating on the high seas. Figure it out.

>>80654233
Sounds like movie companies have the same option

>>80654233
I have a consensual agreement with Hollywood, still counts even though she was a little drunk when she said yes.

>>80654161
Music has 2 main groups. The label and the artist. Artists have options like concerts and labels have options like commercial deals and merchandising. The closest thing to an average joe worker in the music industry is the factory worker in China mass producing CD's.

>>80653307
>Don't mind me, I'm just giving all my money to a Jew.

You can't really 'steal' digital media

>>80654247
>Damn piracy will kill the bread industry
But he's 100% right. And now since some faggot is copy pasting bread nobody will want to invent rye so everyone is stuck with shitty mana bread. Also
>comparing food to Iron Man 2
>I'm literally like Jesus!

>>80654296
Yeah - they're called movie theaters.

>>80653307
>muh piracy

I don't give a shit what you think I'm going to keep doing it

>stealing from corporations is amoral

kek

are you going to be a goodboy cuck your whole life? liberate that wine

>>80654408
>rye
well youre a pleb anyway

>>80654417
This is correct. I only have to take up an anti-piracy stance when faggots act like they're moral crusaders because they seed Legally Blonde.

>>80654233
Can a game company actually ban GameStop from selling a used product that GameStop buys from a customer? Cause I don't think they actually can. Also, when GameStop then sells that used product they aren't obliged to give any money to the publishers and the developers will never see a dime no matter the agreement.

>>80653560
Wrong. Jesus Wine was it's own Jesus Brand. He wasn't duplicating someone elses taste.

>>80654524
Gamestop can't buy and sell games they can't sell new, no.

>>80654408
I'm against piracy, but the Jesus example is retarded. Whereas duplicating something on a computer is easy, duplicating edible matter is a breakthrough that shouldn't be hampered because of "muh bread industry". The newly irrelevant shouldn't take precedent over the will of future prosperity.

i loved this episode of television or movie

>>80654417
That's fine. As long as you know you're a thief.

>>80653605
>wanting the product so much you steal it.

I never understand how pirate fags suck corporate dick while hating it simultaneously.

>>80654622
the entire issue is corporate entities fighting post-scarcity. As post-scarcity isn't something that'll hit all at once. it'll hit certain industries before others and render said industries obsolete.

For a cool example of this, see monsanto. Literally trying to patent and copyright living, self-replicating organisms, and suing into oblivion any farm where the plants appear who hasn't paid their exorbitant fees.

>>80654042
Jokes on you, he doesn't have any friends incase he was exposed to an idea that he hadn't paid for in the course of talking to them.

>job is to look pretty and pretend to be someone else in a make-believe production
>complain you don't get paid enough
>net worth
>$80 million

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/scarlett-johansson-addresses-equal-pay-issue-its-obnoxious-for-me-to-complain-w201979

I think we know who the real pirates are here.

THE JEWS!

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>>80653445

>>80654760
>Self replicating
But that's not what they're doing at all

>>80654560
Well if you really want to go down this road the story always sounded to me more like he was just watering the wine down because everyone was already too drunk to know any better

>>80654873
>plants don't self-replicate

...

Downloading and watching a movie isn't illegal. Uploading and distribution is illegal.

Get your facts right motherfuckers.

>>80654976
facts aren't scary though

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>>80654830

>>80653596
Whats wrong with that, if there are seats free?

>>80654976
torrenting a movie is literally distributing a movie though and almost every form of p2p sharing is distribution

>>80655032
are you retarded

>>80655037
That's torrenting. Torrenting is what idiots do.

>>80654968
Not the Monsanto plants. That's the entire point. They grow an unnaturally bountiful harvest, but are infertile, barren. That way the farmers have to keep buying seeds season after season.

>>80655224
you're talking about a different monsanto product.

>>80655062
No one was sitting there any way. Whats the difference?

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Don't mind us, just buying distribution rights 4 cheap and robbing the creators of deserved income

Also being incopetent schmucks, but if that were a crime, america would be a giant prison

Antipiracy fags are going to lose their minds when there's more affordable home 3D printers.

>but the law

it was once against the law to suck off your boyfriend

think about that

>>80655282
Go on...

>>80655320
I would download a car.

>>80653841
but i would never buy it

so it's stealing income that will never exist

fucking jews

>>80653307
>every pirate is a lost sale

yea right, I ain't paying for 3/4 of the movies I watch because 3/4 of the movies made fucking blow

>>80655404
Everyone would. That's why 3D printers will be surpressed and buried.

>>80654622
Multiplying music digitally was a miracle back then.

Not because you stoped to admire the miracle of nature, it stops being a miracle.

>>80655326
I love how you brought up an irrelevant, outdated example

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>>80653307
>tfw I pirate every single piece of media I consume
Feels fucking good man. Thanks for picking up the slack, cucks.

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>>80653698
>the creative people that work so hard
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>80653307
That's champagne.

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>>80655629
Same. I don't even use torrents ever. So no distribution from me fampai.

>>80653307
I like how this impliesthat we are concerned with the moral righteousness of our actions. I pirate and it doesn't bother me one bit even if there is no excuse.

i only buy used wine

>>80655629
>tfw jacking off lately and making this face
Feels good man.

Pro-tip, hotshot. If you're entering any "artistic" industry with the intention of making money from it, as opposed to the ideal of creating actual art because you love to do so, then you deserve to have everything and anything stripped away from you.

>>80656130
t. nigger

>>80656238
what are you gonna do about it whiteboi?

>>80656306
Jews aren't white.

I don't pirate, I try before I buy. Not my fault nothing is worth buying.

>>80656114
I would distribute my dick in her asshole if you know what I mean

>>80656420
I would p2p my semon on her face if you know what I am implying here

>>80656231
Protip: People have to eat. If someone can make a dollar its their right to do so. The person should be paid what the market will bear and what they can command. Anything else is libtard socialism.

>not shoplifting

what are you a fuckin pussy?

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>>80656459
Guess you'll have to take on that office or factory job to supplement your (lack of) wage then, faggot, because I'm sure as fuck not going to stop.

EVER.

Now how the FUCK does that make you FEEL?

>>80653307

Martini sparkling wine?
If you have to shoplift, at least steal the good shit, you fucking retard.

>piracy steals potential revenue

this argument hinges on the idea that a product is deserving of profit before it is sold, which is false
you're not owed money just for making something and trying to sell it

when somebody makes a copy of something without displacing the original, nothing has been stolen from the creator

you can argue that it devalues the original, but it is simply not theft

>>80653307
Honestly, if you could just multiply wine then the only wine business would be in making it taste better or differently.

You could charge 10 million dollars to unlock your best wine and have people pool their money to unlock it for everyone.

>>80653698
It's called being a faggot cuck, those people are rich and dont need your money at all, you fucking faggot

My buddy was a champion shoplifter growing up, if you can find those portable box wines they are goat. If you're at 711, steal some shit and instead of walking out suspiciously, buy a doughnut or something. Places like 711 and grocery stores have built in budgets for theft, you literally aren't making a dent in their profits, everyone wins

>>80653307
there is no analogy you can make to piracy that involves physical objects, please fuck off

>>80653307
I pirate expensive 14$/bottle beers everyday tbqh

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>>80653307
Ahoy! Don't mind me mateys, just commandeering this ship for plunder and slaughtering its crew.

No.

NO.

I'll repeat that one more time so your feeble, tiny mind gets it.

NO.

I will NOT feel guilty for copying media. I will NOT feel guilty for something that does not destroy the original. I am NOT the fairy, falluting fucking faggot that you somehow wish you could chastise and berate due to your own foibles and follies as a person, by making these stupid cunt threads over and OVER.

I am a man. I am a man who takes what I want. I AM the one who FUCKS.

Do you get this? Do you get this in your pathetic brain, YET? You'd better. You'd better wisen the ever-loving mother-of-god fuck up in this changing world, sonny. Because the pendulum is swinging. It's swinging VERY FUCKING FAST, and we KNOW who steals from every last person on EARTH.

GONE are the days where you limp-wristed flaming cuntwarbling faggot-enablers can post your insipid, subversive shit on this website in the hopes of converting men into weak-willed prancyboys. GONE are the days where you can give them latté enemas and shove candycanes up their butts while you sing Lady Gaga tunes and vote Democrat.

It's time to get tough, you fucking faggot.

It's time to stop this stupid shit.

The time is NOW.

>>80656810
"No!"

>>80653575
>I have more respect for a pirate who just admits he's doing wrong

This. I pirate all my media, and I know it's stealing. I simply don't care.

>>80656854
It's not stealing. It's copyright infringement.

I pay enough for Netflix/cable/Amazon/etc. and go to the theater an average of every other week. If what I want to see isn't on any of that I really don't care about pirating it. I have zero guilt about pirating. Only time I ever feel a twinge of guilt is if it's something super indie, but I rarely see that sort of stuff anyways because I'm not a hipster or in film school.

>>80653307

>beverage company introduce a new drink
>I take the recipe and I make it at home by myself

that's a decent comparison to copyright infrangement for personal use, not stealing a bottle in a store

>>80656920
Doesn't it seem kind of silly that you can "own" a certain combination of ingredients? Not the product itself, but the certain ratios needed to make it.

Where does it end? Can you copyright a math formula? A letter?

>>80656920
>grapes
>put them in a barrel or some shit
>wine
>sell half of it for $10 a bottle and the other half for $100 a bottle because people are retarded
>...
>profit

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>>80656810
dude wat

>>80656920
>>80656991
It's called a patent, they put the info out there in public in exchange for a monopoly. This is a balance for the public good. On either end of the pendulum you either make it so people aren't motivated to do new things, or you're encouraging them to keep all information secret. Both outcomes are bad for society.

As long as you aren't selling it to others I don't see the problem with this.

THERE IS LITERALLY 0 THINGS WRONG WITH NOT WANTING TO FUND THE DISGUSTING LIFESTYLES OF PEOPLE IN MEDIA

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>>80653307

I suppose in the future you'll argue we have to send jews money to do this too?

>>80657583
that is pretty much an inevitability if hill*ry cl*nton had her way

>>80653477
>wine parties

Do white people really do this?

>>80653546
>the very act of downloading it costs the filmmakers revenue and it is therefore theft.
No it doesn't. A lost sale isn't actually taking money away from the producers.

>>80653509
What if I see a shit movie all the way through? Can they return me my time and money for that shitty experience?

modern copyright law is about as dumb as if the horse and buggy industry successfully lobbied the government to stop the automobile

>>80657773
Your right it's not a really party unless there's people chugging 40s of olde english and cans of 4loco and people smoking crack and fucking in the dark corners.

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>>80657583
>mass population explosion.
>zero control over the population.
>governments letting that happen.
doh ho ho nice joke.

>>80653605
I pirate shit all the tirme, but I don't try to justify it.

>>80653546
>Wasn't willing to pay 15 dollars to see a film anyway
>Would watch if free

This is not stealing because they never had my sale in the first place

Why are you guys afraid to admit it's stealing?


I pirate all the time and yeah it's stealing. Comparing it to "downloading a car" is obviously dishonest but it's still stealing


And I don't give a shit.

>>80657959
u got that right muh nigga

>>80658292
If I invent tic tac toe you aren't stealing anything from me if you do it on your own paper

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>>80658292
>Why are you guys afraid to admit it's stealing?
Because it isn't? "Stealing" implies physical thievery, or removal/moving of a physical object without permission from the owner or distributor.

It's illegal, but it's not stealing.

Jesus officially endorses sharing. The good samaritan, upon seeing a poor man without entertainment, burnt him a copy of his dvd collection, and god was pleased. Selfishness displeases god and those shall feel his wrath.

it's not illegal as long as you seed back

>>80653841
Except for the fact that the majority of people who pirate things have no interest in spending money on them for one reason or another and wouldn't have spent money anyway if pirating wasn't an option

>>80658470
jesus never seeded his torrents though

>>80653698
>needing to give your hard earned money to some jews who had nothing to do with the creative process just to stroke your ego
I'm glad I'm not you desu

If we could pirate food/drink all hunger would end overnight.

>>80658941
Jesus seeded literally every torrent he ever downloaded.

>>80659092
He was a real human bean

>>80659000

3rd world populations would be even worse and there'd be even more refugees

there's plenty more things they want in white countries than just food..

>>80654101
They did this in The Rum Diary.

>>80653546
>it costs the filmmakers revenue
countless things cost filmmakers revenue, not going to see a movie at all costs them revenue

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>see this thread
>go to /v/ to test a theory
>yup
>>>>/v/371117404

Fuck off to /v/.

>>80653509

By this argument, streaming isn't stealing. Is that your intention?

>>80657959
t. midwest mom

hollywood is a bunch of coked up immoral jews raping actresses on the casting couch while churning out shit at best and society destroying propaganda at worst

wouldn't anything that goes against this be not only moral but a duty of good people?

>>80655289
>america would be a giant prison
>implying it isn't

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I wrote a large paper on piracy and why the pros outweigh the cons, fuck you OP you're retarded

>>80659567
except the actual sale is selling the rights to see that particular movie, so you're not so much as stealing the actual content, but rather the rights to view it.

>>80654466
>amoral
you mean immoral dumbass

>>80659567
But you are stealing. More goes into a game than something physical. You're stealing peoples times by making a copy. This shit has been explained to piratefags for decades.

If you wanna pirate, do so. But don't make out you're not stealing.

If you are not going to spend money on an item because it not "appealing" enough, then that makes stealing OK? What? "Well I wasn't going to pay for it anyways so it's not like I'm hurting you by just taking your product." Yes you are! You're taking a unit of their product. Sure, maybe you won't pay for it at first, but if the movie ends up being good then maybe you'll want to see the movie and then they have your sale. But if you have seen the movie already then they get no sale from you you! You obviously have no economic knowledge on that regard.

Piracy is theft, you are taking from someone. It is no different then going to a store and taking a movie off the shelf. It does not benefit anyone but the pirate who decides he is too good to pay for things he want. Too good to get a job and earn the things you get. Piracy hurts the economy and loses jobs. So stop it.

>>80659699
>You're stealing peoples times
this is just fucking stupid. A better argument is you're gaining something without the permission of the owner which also doesn't remove that product from the owner.

>>80653841
That's not pirating. That's copying software.

Pirating is when a pack of hungry drugged up Somalis board your ship you dumbo :^)

>>80659805
>Yes you are! You're taking a unit of their product.
1. no you're not hurting them because you wouldn't spend your money on the product in the first place, thus the owner has no loss of income. This doesn't apply to all pirates of course
2. you're not taking a unit of their product, they still have it and can still sell it. Again no loss of profit.

I don't defend piracy on a moral basis. It's wrong. Plain and simple.
But, PIRACY IS NOT THEFT. Say it out loud. "Piracy does not equate to theft." They are simply not the same thing.
Piracy is infringement.
Infringement IS NOT theft. That's why it's called "infringement" and not "theft".
This is for several reasons:
You cannot own a movie by buying it on Blu-Ray. You are merely granted a license to it. It's legal to distribute ANYTHING you own. That's why you can't legally distribute a movie, because YOU DON'T OWN IT. That's why your "ownership" of the movie is subject to conditions, namely that you don't distribute, duplicate, or exhibit the movie to others, without the express permission of the people who ACTUALLY DO own it. These conditions cannot be legally placed on something of which you are the sole legal owner. You can own a license to a copy, but not the material itself.

An illegal download can not be equated to a lost sale in every case. This is impossible, no matter how much mental gymnastics you do. Just about every court in the world has ruled that 1 pirate download does not necessarily equal 1 lost sale. It cannot be proven that they are the same. Pirate downloads cannot be proven to be equal to lost sales. There are irrefutable arguments proving this.

I would keep going, but this is a retarded bait thread.

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>>80659889

BAD!

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Give me ONE(1), a single reason why I shouldn't pirate.

Pirating is easy and let's you save hundred of dollars at no cost, risk or consequence. If you are going to be a moralfag you are just going to have to pay the idiot tax. Pirate, keep your disposable income and treat your girlfriend to a nice steak dinner and pretend you bought the product :)

>b-but the multibillion dollar companies need our support
Let the millions of other cucks "support" the industry while you reap the benefits.

why are millenials so entitled? everyone pirates but they are the only ones that act as if they have a right to it and aren't doing anything wrong

>>80660026
>treat your girlfriend to a nice steak dinner
Fuck that lmao

>>80660058
>treat your mom to a nice steak dinner

Fixed it for you :)

>>80660082
That's more like it

>>80660041
you're a millenial

>>80653307

I don't pirate music or games anymore, since there's digital distribution services that are so cheap it's not even worth the hassle.

The biggest pirates are schoolchildren and third world poorfags who can't afford jack shit anyway.

>>80660896
>le ebin poor meme
Keep supporting those hard done by corporations fuccboi

>>80653698
C.UCK!

>>80660916
>keep supporting entities that give jobs to thousand of people

>>80661009
good goy

>>80653307
>Actually wanting to give money to the Hollyjews

Look at this goy and laugh

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Yeah they'll be okay.

>>80653546
Working 60 hours a week here to support myself, my family and my disabled mother, can barely scrape by each month, have the cheapest internet available, using a computer i built in 08. I cant afford a TV subscription, or to buy dvds, dont even own a dvd player. I work fucking hard all week are you telling me im not allowed to enjoy a little entertainment?

>>80657795
A lost sale is exactly that; taking money away from the owners you retard. It is fundamental in a lot of legal proceedings. It's even got a name for it. Loss of profit/income. The point is piracy does not equate to lost sales.

I always make sure to download movies 2 times so the companies lose double the amount of money.

i'm going to steal some wine to drink while I watch my pirated movie

So here's how I go about it.
If I'm really interested in seeing a movie in theaters I go out and see it.
If a movie is out I'll get it through Netflix dvd/blu ray.
If I like the movie, but still not enough to pay 10-30 bucks for it, I'll rip a copy of the disc.
If I really like the movie I'll buy it.
If the movie is unavailable through Netflix I'll download a torrent, which is the case for older or more obscure movies.

Most torrents that are well-seeded are too small and horribly rendered to experience the movie well in my opinion. That is unless you are in a private seeding club like ptp or somesuch. Which I am not.

>>80653344
Digits

Test

>>80653580
When video stores were around it took movies longer to become available to buy and the stores would purchase them prior at a jacked price for the sole purpose of rental
150-200 a flick on vhs and subsequently dvd

>>80663720
results are in. You have AIDS

>>80663474
Devilish

I earn shitloads and I pirate everything.

It's great.

>le ebin joos fuggin nepotism based mel wuz robbed
>dun b degenerate dun steal is bad

which is it then

>>80663803
This was meant for a different post reply but I messed up and fuck if I can find it now or even why I thought that would relevant
Something to do with full companies and money
I'm drunk
Checkem

>>80653307
Shlomo, pls

>>80653575
But the problem lies within the fact that you think people care what you think about them

>make product
>product doesn't sell because people just pirate it anyway
>this somehow doesn't hurt the producer because "lol they still have the original!"
>b-b-ut they wouldn't have paid for it anyway! I swear!

>>80653509

I don't buy experiences, faggot. I experience them or have them. Meek faggot.

What I'm not getting is why this is an argument in the first place because I really don't understand why you faggots care what other people do

I know I'm gonna get some moral faggot playing the high horse game, trying to condescendingly explain how it has a domino effect, but really in the end is it affecting you? It really isn't, and if you think it is you're being pretty dramatic

I pirate music, movies and games and I don't see why any of you would give the slightest fuck to comment on it. You just sound like an annoying ass who has a comment for everything - and if you think my actions directly affect your life, again, that's extremely dramatic and you need to tone it down

People do stuff that others deem they shouldn't be doing, glad we acknowledged the huge elephant in the room guys wow. Literally a circlejerk of validation in here

>>80663839
Same. Got a VPN for about 5 bucks a month with great speeds after receiving a naughty notice from HBO. Now I can download anything the fuck I want and seed it forever too.

Piracy has been happening for 20 years and Hollywood profits just keep going up. They're doing just fine without my money.

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>>80653307

>People still falling for these bait threads

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>>80663961
>make product
>it isn't good enough for people to want to pay for it
>it's the small micropercentage of pirate's faults that we didn't make as much money as we wanted!
>damn you goyim!

>>80664100
This guy here, >>80664124 is completely right when he says they're doing just fine without my/his money.
>b-but EVERYONE will think like that!
God no they fucking won't, are you retarded or just young?

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>>80653307
If your rich, it's appropriating the wine.
>wine?
>tips

If I could steal wine from the comfort of my home without any consequences I probably would to be honest desu sempai

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>>80664692
>not owning your own vineyard and fermenting your own label in the cellar

>>80662148
>>80662148
Exactly ! For (((them))) if you can't buy anything you don't deserve anything and it's simply your problem.

>>80653575
It isn't stealing because you can't prove a lost sale.

>>80653811
Ads pollute the brain and corrupt the masses in being conditioned to their masters. It's serves nothing but to help capitalism. Don't act like all that is produced is of good quality from good intention. Most corporation and marketing company exploit the fragility of the weakest denominators,

Give me 1 (one) good reason why I should pay for something I can consume for free with zero negative repercussions?

>>80653837
They have intellectual property of others creation because they exploit navies artist who have no other choice to make a living with their arts, most of the time being corrupted in shitting their creations until it doesn't mean anything. This exploitation ruin artitistic integrity

>>80653307
Back in the day, you could play a game for about 10-20 minutes on a special release that gets you hooked in the game and makes you wanting to buy it.
We call it "demo".

Can you guessed what happened to it OP? Can you think a reason to why it is not common law to do demos anymore?
Protip: It has a lot to do with your piracy "problem".

>>80653841
You think poor people will buy overpriced product they use only to pass the time ? if internet wouldn't be here they'd record some program on television or will entertain themselves other ways, internet is just a tool, not their fault its more convenient to download anything for free than buying a product riddled whit ads.

>>80654046
Who would people's buy sketchy DVDs in the street if they can download them FOR FREE ?

>>80665209
VHS recording was a huge fucking thing
Also music cd's copying.

Hollywood is just assblasted by people not caring for "film" anymore and just want excuses to shitmediapost

>>80654247
>>80654408
But in this example the malnourished people couldn't buy the bread anyway, that's what you can't see. Unfortunately a lot of people could never give the shekels to their overlord, that you accuse them of theft or not they won't be able to give anymore value to the product anyway

>>80653353
did pirates do that, jeez what a great bunch of fellas

>>80665012
>Not wanting to reward creators for doing a good job
Get the fuck out

>>80665626
If I felt like doing that I would have to assess the quality of the product first, which would require me to pirate it anyway and once pirated I have other better options to reward creators, either via donation or the purchase of merchandise, which would provide me even with an additional benefit.

I asked for a good reason, try again.

>>80665626
>for doing a good job
They have to do that before they get my money anon. You don't pay for bad food in a restaurant, why should I pay for a bad movie?

>>80657154
If people can't be motivated to do new things without receiving money how can we expect them to bring new things anyway ? Especially when you see the state of Hollywood and all of its remake. Money shouldn't be the motivator for any true artist

Everyone is happy to see print media & DVD stores fail because they refuse to update their antiquated business model.

But oh no, don't let our merchant overlords suffer the same fate. Lets make laws to protect their 1950s distribution monopoly.

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.en.html#PiracyPiracy”
Publishers often refer to copying they don't approve of as “piracy.” In this way, they imply that it is ethically equivalent to attacking ships on the high seas, kidnapping and murdering the people on them. Based on such propaganda, they have procured laws in most of the world to forbid copying in most (or sometimes all) circumstances. (They are still pressuring to make these prohibitions more complete.)
If you don't believe that copying not approved by the publisher is just like kidnapping and murder, you might prefer not to use the word “piracy” to describe it. Neutral terms such as “unauthorized copying” (or “prohibited copying” for the situation where it is illegal) are available for use instead. Some of us might even prefer to use a positive term such as “sharing information with your neighbor.”
A US judge, presiding over a trial for copyright infringement, recognized that “piracy” and “theft” are smear words.

>>80665385
Even then, vhs and tape recording were already considering pirating and equating to stealing the product, even in the 70s, 80s

>>80665981
A hi turnoff to why I don't buy DVD anymore is their advertisement against pirating in all the productions. I buy some shit and they shove me a warning against pirating before giving me more ads to some products I'm not interestedd. While when i download, or steal, i have only the product i want and no warning against piracy. It's fucking absurd that the costly one has all the inconvenients when the illegal one is the more convenient