Batman' parents death scene

The BVS is better but all the shitty credits popping up during it ruins it especially "soundtrack by faggot XL"
Also I like how Thomas get angry and tries to stop joe chill

>>80537077
Also, what's the meaning of the last line in the BVS one?

>"In the dream they took me to the light, a beaitiful lie".

The Nolan one is better, it actually looks like a robbery gone wrong and makes the reveal that it was really a planned murder by the LoS more powerful. The Snyder one just feels weird with his father trying to rush the guy with a gun pointed right at him.

>>80537601
The dream of everything being ok was a lie because it wasn't true. Bruce was still a bitter angry man

Nolan´s vision of the murder is better, there´s more weight on Bruce since they went out of the theather because of him, that makes the character feel guilty about it, not to mention that Nolan didn´t go away with akward cringy close ups, instead we have a take that slowly goes away, kind of making us see the lonelyness he´s experiencing; by the way, the bvs scene of the bats carrying Bruce is stupid; irrealistic.

>>80537077
>Batman' parents death scene
spoilers, cunt.

>>80538125
>by the way, the bvs scene of the bats carrying Bruce is stupid; irrealistic.
I think that is a dream.

>>80537077
batman vs superman because the assailant was a nigger. really made the whole thing realistic.

Batman v Superman, mostly because it treated it like something the audience already knows happened.

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>>80538358
For me it's more like an arab.

>>80538357
They never explain it, and the next scene takes place in anpther location, with kid Bruce in it, for me, the only explanation is that the bats actually took him away of the previous place, which is an ilogical situation

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Reference to Batman being some type of Zorro?

>>80538442
Dumbass
>>80538485
No that's the movie they went to see

>>80538442
listen the last line of adult Bruce dude...

>"In the dream..."

>>80538442
wew lad

>>80538485
The movie follows Excalibur way more than it did the Mask of Zorro, but he was sort of the inspiration for all the masked vigilante characters

>>80537077
The BvS soundtrack was sooooo good. Member the one that goes DUN DUN DUN DUN?

>>80538442
>they never explain it

They do... They literally say "in the dream" and the next scene is Bruce waking up.

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>>80538513
no the movie is Excalibur (1981)

>>80538611
That was the movie that was coming up next week

>>80538553
>but he was sort of the inspiration for all the masked vigilante characters
El Zorro was the inspiration for the masked comics heroes?

Interesting. I didn't know that.

>>80538556
>DUN DUN DUN DUN
if only you could be more specific...

>>80538529
So his fear of bats has no justification whatsoever, since it was not a real event, clever (sarcasm)

>>80538648
oh yeah, you're right

so is the director implying that the movie The Mask Of Zorro inspired Bruce to become Batman?

>>80538759
No, it happened. It was just so traumatizing that he has recurring nightmares about it which are of course more grandiose than the actual events that took place. He fell into the cave and got scared, but of course the bats didn't literally lift him up.

Why do Marlels have to be so clinically retarded? I swear every single line of BvS has to be explained to them.

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>>80537077
>It's more dramatic because of the music and the slow motion.

>>80538898
>thread about batman movies

>somehow you find a way to blame the marvel boogeyman

Actual cringe.

>>80538801

Zorro among other things like the Shadow inspired Bob Kane to create Batman, it's just the director paying tribute to the original progenitors, also Excalibur's climax ends with Arthur being run through with a spear and then delivering a deathblow to his son Mordred, which is obviously mirrored by the Superman/Doomsday scene

>>80538759
hmmmm

maybe he fell into the well but then he was rescued and the last part is the only part that is different in the dream

>>80538898
Why are you so retarderded? You just misspeled word, you faggot.

>>80538939
>types "actual cringe"
>not a Marlel shitposting squad
Nice try

>>80538938
It thought it was pretty obvious OP was joking but this thread is making me second guess myself.

>>80538978
>Marlel

This is dumb. It sounds weak and has no sting to it. Why not at least use Marlets as a play on the word manlet?

>>80538860
Then why the hell they didn´t put the actual event and then cut to a take of Bruce waking up?, it would have make much more sense, in a nightmare the threat would act in a negative way, not in apositive one, it´s dumb

BvS Theatrical Cu t> BvS UE

>>80539052
OMG literal Flat Encephalogram right there

>>80538125
>Nolan´s vision of the murder is better, there´s more weight on Bruce since they went out of the theather because of him
Interesting that you bring this up. Nolan's version puts some of the guilt on Bruce, creating a Batman who seeks redemption alongside justice, whereas Snyder's version emphasizes the fact that it was a random mugging that could have happened to anybody, creating a hardened Batman with a bleak view of the world.

>>80539052

You're both being retarded, can these threads not go by without brandwar idiocy?

>>80539096
Because Snyder loves to force his "clever symbolism" down out throats in every single movie he makes.

>>80538942
If they didn´t show it or tell it, it didn´t happen, simple as that

>>80539119
>creating a hardened Batman with a bleak view of the world.
yeah this other line when he is fighting Superman confirms it.

>I bet your parents taught you, that you mean something. That you're here for a reason. My parents taught me a different lesson. Dieing in the gutter. For no reason at all. They taught me the world only makes sense, if you force it to.

>>80539096
The subconscious acts in interesting ways.

>>80539109

Superman/Clark's characterization suffers in the Theatrical cut, not to mention things that really should not have been removed like the PMC guys burning the bodies to frame Superman or the fact that the key witness was a Luthor plant, the one that really bugs me above all else is them taking out the scene when Superman takes an injured bombing victim to an EMT.

Just bewildering.

>>80539096
Well he actually refers to it as a dream rather than a nightmare. The dream likely changed over time as well, with the bats being a threat at first and then as he becomes Batman he starts to see the bats in a more positive light.

tldr Snyder is a hack but its not hard to figure out what he's trying to convey for the most part.

>>80539149
>can these threads not go by without brandwar idiocy

You already know they can't.

>>80539153
That´s why he hasn´t directed a good film since "Fury"

>>80539282
Is this a shitty joke or are you actually retarded?

>>80539231
Not that stupid, though, it´s like having a nightmare about your parents murderer giving you an ipod, makes more sense (sarcasm)

>>80539355
I get the distinct feeling that you're underage.

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>>80539325
I´m completely serious OMG!!!

>>80539282
That was David Ayer the guy behind Suicide Squad. AKA the other shitty director sabotaging the DCEU

>>80539440
Please go back to wherever you came from.

>>80537077
both scenes are good for what they are.

>>80539459
All the director involved in dc movies seem to have the same shitty way of directing

>>80539355
It's about overcoming his fear you retard the symbolism literally could not be more blatant and obvious.

Capeshit fans are so fucking dumb god damn

>>80539532
So, he overcomed his unexistent fear (I state unexistent since they didn´t show the actual event) in a dream? That´s deep (Sarcasm)

>>80539588
How many layers of irony are you on?

>>80539570
Such as people who reply in a capeshit post...

>>80539519
2 of the 3 DCEU movies currently released were directed by Snyder so it stands to reason they would carry a similar tone and style, but Ayers Sucicide Squad is a whole other level of shitty. At least Snyder managed to release semi competent movies in comparison to SS which was a chopped and recut music video with vomit inducing editing and nonsensical pacing and plot.

Does this shit actually happen in America or is it just propaganda? I mean white dudes robbing people at gun point, my country is like 45% white and you just do see white people commiting any crime let alone violent crime

>>80539588
>I state unexistent since they didn´t show the actual event

The simplest things don't need blatant exposition to be understood by people with functioning brains. BvS isn't some complex deep movie, this bsic shit shoud NOT be hard to you to understand.

>>80539682
>there are no poor white people
>white people never commit crimes
are you retarded?

>>80539763
I mean some of the whites are poor like religious slavic immigrants but they dont do anything

>>80539674
Ayer has produced good films in the past. The mess that Suicide Squad was released in screams studio meddling on a scale we rarely ever see.

>>80539795
how do you know? have you seen every crime committed?

>>80539936
No white man has ever committed a robbery in the history of time. This is a fact.

BvS is kino, Snyder is what Nolan wishes he could be.

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I really like the contrast between the two. Nolan's Bruce is scared, Snyder's is happy. Nolan's is quick, Snyder's is drawn out. Nolan's Thomas comforts Bruce, Snyder's tries to comfort Martha.

I'm giving the edge to Nolan though, I feel like the BvS opening should have been Robin's death instead. Would have set up Batman's motivation better and not leave audiences confused.

>>80538801
It's been established Batman continuity for decades that the Wayne's saw Mark of Zorro the night they were killed. This is one thing I think Snyder did better than Nolan with the origin.

>>80539930
Oh for sure, that's absolutely what happened. But what we got as a result is nothing like Snyders DCEU movies which was my main point directed at that shitposter.

>>80537601
>>80537843

He's talking about the bats giving him a righteous purpose that can give his life a meaning, ie: being Batman. But in the movie he thinks being Batman, being a hero, was for nothing. That heroism doesn't exist. That his life has no meaning.

>>80537833
It wasn't a planned murder. They tried to destroy the city via economic sabotage, and mugging was just a general result of that.

>Joe Chill has always been white
>turn him hispanic in BvS

what does hollywood white propaganda mean by this?

>>80540007
Nolan's has a better tone, but is directed worse. I mean what the hell is up with that sidestep to block the gunshot?

>>80540174
Nolan has always objectively been a terrible director

>>80540174
The gunman looked nevous and unstable, he was just instinctively trying to protect his wife when the gun turned to her.

>>80538723

In the comics Bruce was a fan of Zorro and the only reason they went into an old theater to see movies is because he was pestering about watching Zorro. Bruce based almost all his adult life on Zorro.

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>>80540209
>mfw that thread half a year ago comparing Michael Bay and Christopher Nolan as Directors

Nolan he should've stuck to writing, and even then he is only good at concepts. He can't direct or write emotion or set up a good shot for shit. I don't know how he gets away with it.

Same way Lucas did, I guess.

>>80538723
Zorro was literally a masked vigilante. You really never got the connection?

>>80538992
Never underestimate the plebs of /tv/, or should I say overestimate their tastes.

>>80540246
I'm not concerned with what is happening, just the way it happens is awkward. It looks as if the character read the script and sidestepped as soon as he fired the trigger, which is a cliche as old as time.

If he had stepped in front, talked just slightly longer with Joe, and then got shot, fine, great.

>>80540382
He moves after the gun swerves to Martha, it's just edited a little poorly

>>80540368
t. guy who thinks Manchester by the sea is the greatest drama of all time

>>80537601
He's referring to a hit song by The Joker's band.

>>80539096

You do realize that Bruce is delusioned about his life and the "mission", and that he thinks that the whole "bat" thing was a lie he embarked on, right? That's what his dream is about. The bats rescued him, but they didn't rescued him at all.

It's like when you're having this fine dream where you're holding and kissing the most beautiful woman you ever saw and you're so happy, but then you wake up and you're all alone. It hurts like a motherfucker.

Bruce thought that the bats, the thing that gave him purpose in life, would help him, but it didn't. There's no purpose in any of it.

>>80540432
Nice strawman.

>>80540473
thank you

>>80539725
True, it´s not difficult to understand, because it´such an empty flick, and if by "functional brain" you mean you need to be someone who knows the whole story of Batman, then half of the critics that gave a negative review to the flick don´t have a "functional brain", right? (sarcasm)

>>80537077
bvs is better
batman begins feel rushed and awkward, it also has no real impact, it's just there, they also got the play wrong because they saw zorro not mefistofele
in bvs you sort of understand why the shooter kills them (hint: they try to fight the robber and doesn't just stand there waiting to get shot like in batman begins)

>>80540522
Are you pretending to be retarded?

>>80540546
>in bvs you sort of understand why the shooter kills them
It's easy to understand in the Nolan movie too.

>>80540459
All the things you stablished are not expained in the movie, therefore it stays as a theory; if it´s a lie, then there´s not a reason to be Batman at all, in fact, it was a dream, so bats didn´t "save him" at all. The difference between the "kissing dream" you put as an expample and Bruce´s dream is that your example is a positive dream, while Bruce isn´t at all, I haven´t know any case where a nightmare ends up in a positive way, you usuallly wake up before the big tragedy; by the way, the last sentence is kind of funny, "There´s no purpose at all", yeah, that´s what I thought of the hole movie

>>80540522

You're dumb. You're dumb as hell.

The whole movie is about how Bruce's delusioned about life. He thinks that there's no purpose to any of what he does. That his life has been a meaningless struggle.

In the dream his parents are murdered and then he finds himself in the cave surrounded by bats who lift his ass up to the light. He says that he thought they'd brought him into the light, but that this was a lie.

What correlation does the dream have with his life and current emotional state? THINK!

The answer is that the bats were supposed to save him. Give his life purpose. Give his pain some outlet. Make things somewhat right again. But right now he feels that they didn't. That nothing that he does have any meaning. That his entire life dressing up as a bat and beating people up has been for nothing. That answering the bats call has been stupid. That the bats lied to him.

FUUUUUCK! YOU DUMB SACK OF SHIT!

>>80540773

>All the things you stablished are not expained in the movie, therefore it stays as a theory

Necksnap yourself, my nigga.

>>80540773

I'm literally pitying you right for how dumb you're. Seek knowledge, my man. Seriously. You need it. Life is going to be hard as fuck for you. God bless and safeguard your retarded soul.

>>80540522
>you mean you need to be someone who knows the whole story of Batman

No, just that his parents got shot and he lived in fear until he fell in a fucking cave full of bats and decided to overcome his fear and use it as his main weapon. Which is like the first thing you learn about his character other than what his costume looks like. It's like saying you don't know that Spiderman got bit by a radioactive and he crawls walls and shit.

>half of the critics that gave a negative review to the flick don´t have a "functional brain"

The movies problems lie in its pacing and dialog, not basic symbolism everybody but you picked up on.

>>80540710
how? because to me it just looks as if he's trying to rob them then suddenly he turns to the woman and demands that she give him her valuables, then for some reason bruce's father (who have been trying not to excite the robber) steps in front of her and he shoots him (on accident?) and then for some reason he shoots the woman as well who he didn't have any real reason to shoot
if it wasn't for the set design and lighting i'd have thought it was from a b-movie

>>80540786
>delusioned
The word you're looking for is "disillusioned"

>>80540943
The robber is obviously unstable, and yes the shooting seems to be an accident. This is very obvious anon.

>>80537077
again????????????????? get a life noobs

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there was screenshots of twitter account from the guy that saw Suicide Squad first cut, I can't find it please help me.

>>80541049
unstable? did you even watch that clip, he just looked sort of uncomfortable during the whole thing and when he fires the gun it looks like he has an "oh shit" moment like he just remembered he was supposed to shoot them

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>>80541103
BUMP
HALP

>>80540593 >>80540826 >>80540924
Are you establishing an argument at all?

>>80540786
Again, the movie doesn´t explain that at all, we just see Batman planning a fight, and if Bruce thinks that all his actions have no purpose at all, then why does he plans all the stuff needed for his fight with Superman?, or his investigation about Lex Luthor?

"In his dream his parents are murdered", so... does that means that they´re not dead?, huh, that wasn´t explained in the movie either (sarcasm); and, if the hole Batman situation is meaningless for him, then why is he still being Batman? This is the moment when I start appreciating "Spider-man 2", because it had sense, he was tired of his personal life being affected by Spider-man, so when his powers are gone, he just thinks, "My normal life could go without problems", and leaves his suit in a trashcan, with Batman could have been more simple, since he doesn´t have superpowers and could leave his Batman role anytime, but noooo, he´s still Batman for no reason whatsoever (if yout theory is true, which I don´t think so)

"What correlation does the dream has with his personal life?", none, really, since Bruce only shows the pain he feels of his mother one of the last scenes, but in a very plain way, (Insert the meme quote here, cof, cof, "My mother´s name was Martha")

Nice insult by the way, it would make your state more proffesional and convincent (sarcasm)

>>80541353
I'm assuming you are just shitposting like an autist because there's no way anyone can be this fucking dumb.

>>80541353

>if Bruce thinks that all his actions have no purpose at all, then why does he plans all the stuff needed for his fight with Superman?

This is sad, man.

>>80540926
"It´s like saying you don´t know that Spiderman got bit by a radioactive and he crawls walls and shit", that´s one of the problems DC has, unlike the Spider-man films directed by Sam Raimi, the new DC movies director or screenwriters, or maybe both, think that you already know the story, and no, you have to explain, explanation and justification are 2 main keys in narrative, and bvs doesn´t have this 2 main keys well developed,

So, you are accepting that bvs has bad dialogue and symbolism?

>>80541384
That´s the most complete argument in this post (sarcasm)

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>>80537833
>he thinks it was a literal planned murder
>he is too autistic to understand simple dialogue
TOP KEK

This guy's a master baiter. Holy shit. 10/10

>>80541526

Bad dialogue absolutely. The symbolism itself was at least functional even if it was lazy and hamfisted.

>think that you already know the story, and no, you have to explain
This is true in most cases but this is Batman were talking about arguably the most iconic hero every and a pop culture icon. His story has been told more times than I care to count and it never changes that much. Do you really think we need to be told his backstory yet again when Afflecks batman movie comes out?

>>80541619
>(sarcasm)

As a guy who dislikes BVS i'll be the first to admit this is the proper way to start a batman movie:

get the origin our of the way, show us the motivation, then you don't have to completely refer back to it

>>80541619
Hey but, I wasn't baiting...

>>80538485
Its canon his favorite movie and personal inspiration, the movie they watched and mor important why he brands people

>>80537833
Wtf are you talking about dude? It wasn't a planned murder.
"But we underestimated certain of Gotham's citizens... such as your parents. Gunned down by one of the very people they were trying to help. Create enough hunger and everyone becomes a criminal."
The League had nothing to do with it. Ras is just explaining the pottery to Bruce.

>>80541839
The fact that someone could actually be this retarded is equally as impressive though.

I just watched the BvS Theatrical again last night and it's still better than 90% if the ultra generic cookie cutter movies the MCU puts out eg. Dr. Strange

>>80538442
>being this retarded

Wew

>>80539355
>Rêddit

>>80538759
He isnt afraid of bats

>>80542110
The difference being that they weren't counting on Dr Strange to kick start their cinematic universe. They literally shit out financial successes without even trying, and every once in a while we get something like Winter Soldier that's a legitimately decent film.

>>80541353

How can you be so dumb, anon? Serious question.

>>80541567
(Fucking retard)

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>>80537833
>reveal that it was really a planned murder by the LoS more powerful
lol what? that never happened

>>80537077
FOR ME, ITS THE MCCHICKEN

>>80541769
"The symbolism itself was at least functional even it it was lazy and haqmfisted", that´s why it got so many good reviews (sarcasm)

No matter how much the story has been told, you need to explain if it´s a new product, it´s like if Oreos made a new cookie but this time they don´t add the cream in the middle and still they call it an Oreo, and, it´s like if the makers said: "Well, we have a lot of Oreos with different flavours, and all have the cream in the middle, do we really needed to put the cream in this version? Seems logic,,,

>>80542220
Yes he is, that´s why he "became what he feared" in order to defeat the fear itself

>>80542262 >>80542288

Another bunch of great arguments (sarcasm)

>>80543611
he doesn't understand that comic movies like Batman, Superman or Spiderman are for kids and with each generation they do the same movie with the same story.

One teenager that watched Batman vs Superman in 2016 surely hasn't watched Batman Begins in 2008.

It's like when I saw Batman Begins... I haven't watched Batman in 1989.

>>80543611
>No matter how much the story has been told, you need to explain if it´s a new product

No you fucking on't you braindead retard. Being forced to relive the same murder scene etc over yet again was one of the most commonly expressed gripes among critics and fans alike.

You don't need to tell Batmans backstory again just like nobody needs to hear Spidermans backstory again.

The slide on the gun breaking the pearls was pretty kino

>>80543857
>over-use of slow motion/closeups are kino

You would love Snyders other movies.

Is mr Wayne the biggest cuck?

>hurdur I must help all these poor people!!!
>literally dies to poor people

BvS one for sure.
Scene shot-by-shot from the comic, what makes it impressive music, martha and bruce dream exposition (ties in nicely to film) .

Its really a big fucking shame that Zimmer dropped cape soundtracks...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdc6QjBNOOU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9BL59uiAz8

How would Marvel handle these scenes?

>>80543849
If you want to maka a good film, yes, you need to, having a backup story in the printed media or even in the audivisual media doesn´t justify the lack of explanation in a NEW product, did you even read te Oreo example?

>>80544038
>Scene shot-by-shot from the comic

What fucking comic? You know how many times batman has been rebooted or that scene been depicted? You could be talking about 100 different comics.

>>80543919
I did not say slomo in and of itself was cool.

>>80544220
Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns

It's one of the most famous Batman comics

>>80544220
dude only nerds know about that lmao

>>80544289
It's also one of the most masturbatory fan service shit piles I've ever read.

I hate that people consider it canon

>>80544129
>If you want to maka a good film, yes, you need to,

The scene was a great example of how fucking bloated BvS was, and it was a WORSE film for it. The general consensus is that the movie was mediocre, what more do you need? Meanwhile Spiderman will be a smash hit without retelling his origin story all over again.

Your Oreo analogy is fucking shit and doesn't work at all (food analogies made by tards rarely do). People buy Oreos for the cream in the middle, people don't pay for Batman tickets to retread old territory a hundredth time.

>>80544327
>canon mattering when the major DC/Marvel comics get rewritten and redrawn a dozen times every ten years to depict a different tale and imply a multiverse of uncountable variations

>>80544118
more quips and one-liners as batman's parents hit the ground

>>80544289
>>80544318

Shame on you guys for taking obvious bait

>>80544118
>Martha... do you have any orange slices?

>>80544393
"Meanwhile Spiderman will be a smash hit without retelling his origin", yeah, if you check out all the good Spider-man films you´ll notice that all of them have explained the story, even if it´s a sequel, and I bet that "Homecoming" will do the same.

The Oreo analogy can work with this example: Critics go to films for a well detailed story and also for a good experience (the whole "Oreo"), they don´t go just to see CGI effects and incomplete pseudo symbolism

MARTHA! gets shot in the face yet it is intact.

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wait a minute, wait a minute...

I was thinking about how dumb the "Marthaaaa, you have to save Marthaaaa..." is and one idea crossed my mind...

Shit, maybe Snyder made that scene to show how Batman realizes that life has meaning and that not all is random

I mean, he thinks that dis parents were kill just randomly and the world doesn't have any meaning, then he finds a purpose (maybe to commit suicide?) fighting Superman and then when Superman says Martha, Batman realizes that it can't be a coincidence and that they having a mother with the same name is just something that is meaningful to him...

Sorry if I express myself badly but english is not my first languague. But do you know what a mean overall??

>>80544742
I thought she was shot through the neck

>>80544742
chest

>>80544647
>if you check out all the good Spider-man films you´ll notice that all of them have explained the story, even if it´s a sequel

There are only 2 good Spiderman films and only one of them told his origin story, while the other dealt with Peters guilt over not being truthful in his involvement of Bens death.

>and I bet that "Homecoming" will do the same

Theyve already said they aren't. You can hope for a throwaway "great power/responsibility" line of dialogue but not much more.

People don't buy Oreos for the packaging or framework if you will. Batman. Dead parents so becomes vigilante. That is the packaging to Batmans Oreo. The Oreo itself is Batman, his gadgets/mental prowess, and his rogues gallery. Literally nobody would complain if we got a new Batman movie that didn't depict the shooting yet again.

>>80544118
>Joe chill makes a quip before pulling the trigger

This guy should be cast as John Stewart. Full stop.

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>>80545714

Forgot pic

The guy from Leverage would make a perfect G.L.

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>>80544220

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Who else got a chubber when Martha got shot?

>>80537077
The BvS scene is trash and last way to long. I mean jesus Thomas Wayne goes to attack Joe Chill. In this film it makes sense for him to shoot the Waynes because of that.
When that happens no wonder he shoots them.
How is that compelling?

>>80546216
>Martha
Why did you say that name??

>>80544888

That's a good interpretation of that scene. Right after he learns that another "Martha" is in grave danger giving him the perfect opportunity to save his "mother" in a way.

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>>80537077
WELL WELL WELL ANON!
LOOK *leans back*
AT
THAT