Can we have a /pol/-free discussion about this documentary? As

I'm old, I listened to a lot of this trial on the radio at the time. I had a really boring desk job so I had all day.

I have not watched the documentary, but it was super fucking clear that he was guilty. The verdict was a low point in American history. I hope that fucker never gets out.

FUCKING NIGGERS

>>80503574
You wanna get the ball rolling with some discussion points or questions then?

Its really well done, especially in the context of race relations. I know you didnt want it to be /pol/ but race is inextricably linked to his story. Came up ashamed of his father and circumstances, got the white man's approval and soaked it up, didnt give a shit about civil rights or his fellow brother, until he needed to play the victim than he was the blackest man in america, counting on the support of the community he turned his back on. Which they supplied, and how!

If you like this I highly recommend the Toobin book, the People v OJ

>>80503651
You should watch it, they should the trial in detail with also the context of it

As an unbiased person (have nothing against or in favour of black Americans) it seemed to be non-guilty. Not saying innocent but not guilty, they couldn't prove he was guilty

The only guy that collected all the "evidence" did it by himself, going lonewolf for no purpose and collecting the most important evidence with no witnesses and oddly enough that cop happeend to be a proved racist that hated black people, and even more rich black people, and even more successful black people who married white women

He might have avoided jail to murder.

But he could never avoid being labeled a murderer, and it'll follow him for the rest of his life.

It was such a brutal murder. It makes me uncomfortable to think about the crime scene photos.

>>80503651
>I hope that fucker never gets out.

I've got news for you anonymous

>>80503749
>the People v OJ
Is the American Crime History segment by that name based in that book?

>>80503759
>Nicole's neck barely attached to her body

If her mother had not forgotten her glasses at the restraint, post-recital, they'd both be alive today. Fate, the way things play out, whatever, is fucked.

>>80503757
>As an unbiased person (have nothing against or in favour of black Americans) it seemed to be non-guilty.
Kill yourself

>>80503757

Mark Fuhrman wasn't the only person who collected evidence. He's just the guy that found the second glove in OJ's residence. Effectively making it a crime scene.

Kato heard thumping behind the guest house before Fuhrman found the glove. Which means someone was thumping around where the glove was before Thurman got there.

>>80503815
Yes, Ryan Murphy of American Horror Story adapted it very well to the screen (he didnt write, only direct which is key) It's stunning television, a couple of the episodes are god tier.

The book is obviously just a lot more in depth, really interesting and readable.

>>80503759
hey, what do you call a rich murderer?

Sir.

>>80503757
That is really sad. He did it, no question. Part of the reason I haven't watched is I thought they might play both sides to make it dramatic. That dude chopped two peoples heads off, make no mistake.

>>80503901
Because American cops never placed stuff to fuck up innocent black people before, right?

I am now 100% convinced he did it. Any one says it wasn't him is delusional.
>What? A jealous serial wife beater who's threatened to kill said wife several times murdered her and her boyfriend? It couldn't have been him! It was the racist cops who framed him and/or did it!

>>80503943
Sweden or Germany? Because you sound fucking pathetic.

>>80503757
>The only guy that collected all the "evidence" did it by himself, going lonewolf for no purpose and collecting the most important evidence with no witnesses and oddly enough that cop happeend to be a proved racist that hated black people, and even more rich black people, and even more successful black people who married white women

Eh. Yeah, that's how brilliantly they spun it, but he was only on the job for like 14 minutes, seriously. And only alone for a couple. The logistics for him to have been able to plant any evidence at both Nicole and OJ's house in the timeframe is literally impossible.

Also, they spun these cops to have been racially insensitive, and sure, Furhman may have been, but he personally let OJ off of a gruesome domestic assault, as had many other cops, for his star wattage. Juice collected cop friends, mostly white, and had em over the house and pool and stuff all the time. So the cops loved OJ, til they (defense) needed to tell a different story

>>80503937
Didn't you read my post? I didn't say he was innocent, I just said he was not-guilty

It's a different thing. He may have done it, but they failed to prove it on court, ergo he's non-guilty. That's how justice works

>>80503984
Argentina, we don't have black people so I'm unbiased

>>80503943
They may have, there might have been a lot of circumstances, but he absolutely did it. Don't fall for the red herrings they tricked that dimwitted jury with. There was never a plausible alternate theory that fit the facts of the case.

>>80503574
>have a /pol/ free discussion about OJ Simpson?
Is this a joke? The entire story is about poor race relations between whites and blacks, and how a trial that was right in the middle of it.

Anyway, I think it was OJ's son that did it.

>>80504037
No, that's how the justice SYSTEM works. Or fails to work. Justice is when the guy who did it gets punished. This would be the opposite of that, a failure of justice.

>>80504065
How did you come to that conclusion? A youtube video with 3,000 views?

>>80503943

They do, but that doesn't mean its always the case.

How come no other suspects have been named in the 23 years since the trial ended?

Didn't OJ declare he was gonna find the murderer/murderers?

There's no other suspects, because he's the suspect.

How did these cops who planted evidence know OJ didn't have an alibi?

Had he had an alibi the whole planting evidence would have failed real bad and framing someone for murder comes with harsh punishments.

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>>80504037
>Argentina, we don't have black people

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>>80503574
burn the coal, pay the toll

>>80503801
Apparently he is up for parole in July. Hopefully the parole board takes into account that he's a double fucking murderer when considering their decision.

>>80504065
We can talk about the racial tension without spouting "FUCKIN NIGGERS HANG EM ALL"

>>80504105
Right, meant justice system. Real justice doesn't exist

But that's the system they have, you should accept it

>>80503947
Yeah, there's plenty of cases like that in the United States where I'm shocked that people still think that someone's guilty or innocent when it's obvious they are wrong.

Just like how OJ Simpson got off, the George Zimmerman thing was out of control too. He was obviously justified in defending himself, and it was very apparent if you actually watched trial. But people make it seem like he was some sort of raving serial killer out to ruin his own life by randomly killing some black kid.

>>80504134
>How come no other suspects have been named in the 23 years since the trial ended?
Because they fucked up the investigation from the start?

>le racism XD

Except the cops let OJ get away with domestic abuse multiple times because he was famous and an athlete

The only reason he went to trial was because they had so much evidence they could convict the Pope in the Vatican

The only reason he got out was faggots like you crying about "racism" as if

>>80504173
It's hard to accept a system where people with money almost always win and people without any money almost always lose. But, I get it.

>>80504134
I never said he didn't kill them, just said you could think the case was fucked up by the police

>>80504173
>"FUCKIN NIGGERS HANG EM ALL"
Agreed.

>>80504183
>implying Zimmerman wasn't a loon playing out his fantasies of being a real cop
The guy deserved to go to prison for 2-4 years for starting the altercation in the first place

>>80503574
/pol/ here, he didnt do it. The italian guy his ex wife was killed with was a known mafia stooge. He was stabbed 40 times while the wife was only stabbed a few times.

>>80503574
>violent criminal nigger goes on a killing spree and stabs two white people to death
>literally everything shows that he did it
>because one cop said he doesn't like niggers or something he got away with it
Niggers are subhuman apes.

>>80504215
The jury selection was so mishandled by the prosecution. Clark thought that she had sway with african american women but they all hated her. One of the many crucial mistakes the prosecutors made during the trial.

>>80504294
Wow thanks /pol/

Pack it up boys, case closed!

>>80504270
>keeping your neighborhood safe is playing out power fantasies.
Okay kid.

>>80504300
>two white people
Wasn't the guy a Jew?

>>80504055
>tricked
The jury was shown hard DNA evidence and after the trial admitted that they were going to vote not guilty no matter what. The jury didnt so this because they were dumb or confused or werent sure, they just didnt want OJ in jail.

>>80504224

More likely it's because OJ is the murderer.

he totally fucking did it

>>80504340
kek'd

>>80504341
He escalated the situation after he was told not to by the cops over the phone.

>>80504359
A coal burner and a kike, no one will mourn them but the fact that a nigger did it and got away with it is a crime.

>>80504332
>niggresses hate that OJ married a white woman
>blame Nicole instead of OJ

literal subhumans

>>80504294
He was a waiter for god's sake and Nicole was almost beheaded.

>>80504359
Jews are kind of like those weirdos that think they are multiple genders. Never assume a Jew's race, you have to ask if he identifies as white or Jewish. Usually the flip back and forth whenever it suits them.

>haha, fellow white guy here, maybe we shouldn't be so racist
>haha, as a Jew I think...

>>80504371
Yeah a good number of them were already planning how they would cash in before the case even ended, and a couple of jurors got kicked off for the same reason. Justice wasn't their primary concern.

>>80504409
You mean a 911 dispatcher advised him to stop following, and he isn't bound by law to obey that because it's not a lawful order. Try again.

>>80503574
/Pol/ was right again

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1TRExxNO-aI

>>80504251

The case was fucked by the cops, regardless the jury was seduced by Cochren instead of using logic.

A baby could tell OJ was the murderer, but he got the best defense money could buy.

It's too bad he didn't have his magic defense in his civil trial where he got so pathetically owned by the prosecutor.

The civil trial was the criminal trial done right.

OJ on the stand. Contradicting the fact he owned the murder shoes. Denying he beat Nicole.

It was beautiful to watch him squirm.

>>80504491
oh shit this guy has a youtube video, damn they really did close the case this time guys.

>>80504409
Not an argument. He has no legal or moral reason to not escalate the situation in protecting his neighborhood from criminals. The only dilemma is in that escalating he takes the risk of injury or loss of life if his non violent escalation is met with violent or deadly counter escalation. If he has the means to defend himself then he is obligated to take that risk.

>>80504409
He's within his rights to ignore that advice since he's the one standing near this criminal ape and they're sitting in a call center. If doing anything besides running away and hiding in your panic room is considered escalation then yeah, he did escalate the situation, but the criminal nigger isn't the victim here. The nigger chimped out and started attacking him, he shot. Literally open and shut.

>>80504541
I don't think you really have the right to question /pol/'s detective skills right now, especially after the bastards used star charts and flight patterns to pinpoint a flagpole out in the middle of nowhere.

>>80504541
Actually it's about predicting the verdict, dumbass

>>80503574
>let us have a discussion
>but let's ignore any opinion or point of view that could be held by this group of people I disagree with
Fuck off. You don't belong on imageboards. Your kind are the reason why every other form of media is already shit. Get back to your namefag space and stay there.

>>80504522
Something I didn't understand about that documentary, what was that civil trial? At least in my country you can't get persecuted twice for the same crime

>>80504435
I have to admit it,I've seen that.

>>80504409
Fuck off nigger. He took a scumbag off the streets. Go do nuffin elsewhere

>>80504653
The family sued him for the death, and won. I've never heard of this being done outside of the OJ trial, but since it wasn't a criminal prosecution, they were able to go to trial a second time.

>>80504645
Because you biased people are not worth having an argument with

You can't write a line without insults, ad hominems or cursing

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>>80504215
>Nine - three quarters of the jury - thought O.J. Simpson was less likely to have murdered his wife becuase he had excelled at football.
The American Justice System everyone.

>>80504653
That's how it works in the United States. OJ was criminally found not guilty, and can never be tried again for the crime.

However, Fred Goldman sued OJ for the wrongful death of Ron and Nicole and won.

>>80504645
>point of view that could be held by this group of people I disagree with
I don't think that it's the opinions of /pol/tards that he's trying to withhold from this thread, but more their methods which is essentially to spam a thread to hell and back when something doesn't go their way.
/pol/ is welcome to here, but don't be bitchy like you always are then.

>>80504718
How can you sue a guy for a death but it be a civil trial and not a criminal one? Also, he was already proved non-guilty of killing him

>>80504748
OH SAY CAN YOU SEE

>>80504037
OJ DINDU NUFFIN HEA GOOBOY HEDNOT ACCOUNABLE FO IS ACKSHUN

>>80504750
>Fred Goldman sued OJ for the wrongful death of Ron and Nicole and won.
How does it work? Did he sue him because they died in his house or what?

He was both proved innocent and guilty of killing that guy?

>>80504710
that's how it starts...

>>80504653

I think it's because there are two courts. Criminal and civil.

Criminal has to do with crime and punishment.

Civil has to do with other things such as divorce and your neighbor suing you for having your dog shit on his lawn.

>>80504775
A criminal court is when the state or federal government tries someone for a crime

a civil suit is when you say someone has harmed you in some way and thus they owe you money.

>>80504653
The "liability" in the civil trial where the plaintiffs were the Goldmans and the Browns is technically different than the murder in the criminal trial where the plaintiff was the state of California so it doesn't count as double jeopardy.

>>80504748
you know a big reason why he got off is because the defense was allowed to set up the jury the way they wanted. it's no coincidence that they put a bunch of stupid niggers on there

>>80504835
>>80504840
>>80504846
I get that, but how does a murder trial fall into the civil category?

In my country that's always a criminal felony

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>oy vey muh son is dead give me all of your football shekels goy

>>80504775
Because he was obviously guilty, and they couldn't have a second trial to send him to jail they just sued him. The second trial pretty much showed that the first trial was fucked up and that he's guilty, even though he got away with it.

I guess it was more symbolic than anything, having a second trial to prove that he was in fact guilty.

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i remember watching 12 angry men in junior high and i thought "well this is fucking shit because surely no civilized country could have a justice system like this"

jokes on me because i thought usa was a civilized country

>>80504888
In the US you can sue someone over anything. Right now my sister is suing my mom because she was asked to move out. lolwat, it doesn't make any sense.

So you can sue someone over murder I suppose.

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>>80504037
>Argentina, we dont have black people

>>80504891
That's quite weird, like he was ok with OJ not going to jail but he was happy and celebrating when he gave all his money to him

>>80504888
It was a "wrongful death" suit (not a "murder") in the civil trial and OJ got found "liable" for the deaths of Nicole and Ron Goldman.

>>80504908
Juries are great when you have intelligent people discussing the verdict and not high school drop outs voting based on skin colour

>>80504908
and yet our government is the second oldest and most successful in the world. a citizen has the right to choose between trial by jury or a bench trial where the judge decides your fate

>>80505004
Why don't the Judges do that job? That's actually their job and they are prepared to judge people

Some random people who watch TV 24/7 shouldn't have the power to send someone to jail

>>80504937
Correct, you can literally sue anyone for anything. You might not win but thats one of the ways assholes with a lot of money exert power over people who don't have any.
>I can think of one big asshole who does this but I won't name him here

>>80504960
The Goldmans never saw any of the money. Right after the trial the courts forced OJ to give them $500,000 and that was all they saw. They took him to court over the If I Did It book and were able to acquire the publishing rights too but that's it.

OJ moved to Florida right after the civil trial to avoid playing them because Florida's law doesn't recognize settlements from other states.

>>80504215
>Marcia Clark was pleased

holy shit, how can one rape victim be THIS wrong

>>80504960
>like he was ok with OJ not going to jail

Where the fuck did you get this idea? Fred Goldman was probably the most outspoken of any of Ron and Nicole's families about how angry he was about the verdict and celebrated when OJ got fucked for the armed robbery

>>80505034
>and yet our government is the second oldest and most successful in the world.
wat

>>80503574
BASED JUICE.

Everyone knows O.J. doesn't have a violent bone in his body and that racist piece of shit cop planted the evidence because he had a hard on for Juice.

Unfortunately, the white man doesn't like it when an innocent brother walks free and they kept going after him until they could pin something on him.

Really encapsulates the problems in America's """"""justice"""""" system and shows why white people are still the most hated people on the planet.

>>80505097
>yuropoor education

>>80505034
You mean our system is better than Africa and Russia and Brazil and Uzbekistan? Well praise fucking be.
The system is super-broken and OJ is a great example of that.

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I watched The People Vs. OJ and found it very informative. I was watching with someone who had seen Made In America and was able to fill in details and confirm that events actually happened.

Obviously there's no question that OJ committed the murders.

Obviously, the LAPD is racist as fuck, Mark Fuhrman was so racist that he could make /pol/ blush, too.

However, Cochran and the jurors saw this as the one case to say "fuck you" to the LAPD. They unfortunately chose THIS CASE, where the black guy really did do the crime he was accused of, to take a stand. Which gives the whole thing an element of tragedy.

Also, my dad believes that even though OJ did it, Fuhrman (who knew about the domestic violence) likely did plant the glove at OJ's house in an effort to make the prosecution easier. Which is a theory I find somewhat plausible.

>>80504827

the fever...

that turns good men... cruel

BLOOD SHRINKS LEATHER. HE DID IT.

>>80505049
In theory it's supposed to do a better job of eliminating biased decisions. Key words being "in theory." Obviously it doesn't work that way all the time, as seen by that travesty of a trial.

>>80505156
Why did the prosecution ask for him to do the gloves then?

>>80505131
it's not super broken. no system is perfect. oj still lost bigly. he lost all his money, fame and now he's back in prison. sad!

>>80505062
This anon is correct, OJ has been gaming the system all this time to avoid paying for the murders. Dude is a right cunt as well as a murderous bastard.

>>80504491
>If we would have picked our own cotton this never would have happened
>I think it's unfortunate this nigger's gonna get off

Hahaha, that's pretty blunt.

>>80505207
Prosecution thought the case was a slam-dunk but they needed a cold, hard visual to get the jury to think about the facts instead of emotions.

OJ also messed up his hands from football and stopped taking his arthritis medicine in the days leading up to the "glove" incident, so his hands were swollen on that day. Defense knew it was going to work for their benefit, prosecution only suspected it would work.

>>80504294
Yep, the man who cucked OJ was stabbed 40 times by mafiosos!

>>80505207
That was a stupid fuck up. You never let the defense handle the evidence.

>>80505416
>ayy OJ, you wantsa us to kill the guy who's-a friends with your wife? we'll makea sure to get blood on your Bronco, introduce your DNA at the crime scene, and get the victims' blood on your socks that we'll then place in your bedroom. easyducio

>>80503757

>dude the cops were racist tho

neck yourself

>>80505615
Badabing

>>80505725
you know it's not really controversial to call the LAPD racist. they call themselves racist. Fuhrman was especially racist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuhrman_tapes

>>80505839

It doesn't matter is my point.

>>80503651
>The verdict was a low point in American history.
You must live an insanely sheltered life if you think one dude getting away with murder even scratched the surface.

>>80503757
>The only guy that collected all the "evidence" did it by himself

That's factually incorrect.

If you're referring to Furhman finding the glove, that's not even a questionable area of contention. He had no motive to plant a glove -- neither did he have the means to get a glove of the same exact model in the same size and cover it in Nicole's blood.

On a side note: the prosecution lost the case more than the defense won it. They completely failed to reiterate that a verdict must be rendered on REASONABLE DOUBT, not any doubt.

This guy goes over the evidence well enough and in the 2nd part provides his own closing arguments.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vonDXxuZXY

>>80506055
He found both in the first scene

Kept one and then placed it int he other scene to connect them. that's the only stuff that connected the two scenes

Why would OJ drop a glove in each place?

>>80506375
It's speculated that during the struggle, Ron managed to pull off one of the gloves -- hence the cut on OJ's finger.

>>80503757
are you fucking kidding me

either read up on the actual case instead of this revisionist TELEVISION show or neck yourself

preferably the later.

>>80503574
>As a non-American who has never heard of OJ or his trial before
why would you ever watch this? It's targeted at people who are expressly not you

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>>80504037

Now that the dust has finally had ample time to settle, can we all agree that Cochran was an extraordinarily gifted defense attorney and orator?

Additionally Barry Scheck, and his deft knowledge of DNA testing, was the unforeseen masterstroke. He explained it all away in a way that the prosecution couldnt touch.

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>>80504037
>We don't have black people

>>80504037
>IM FUCKING WHITE

>>80503757
what episodes focus the most on the actual trial? i dont care about the race thing.

>>80503757
>The only guy that collected all the "evidence" did it by himself
Is that was this show contends? Because that's not true at all. I've seen photos of the evidence in the bags they were collected in and almost every single one of them has a different name for who collected the contents.

>>80508486
It's nearly impossible to separate the trial from race because it was the culmination of all the racial tension that had taken place in the late 80s and early 90s

just watch the whole thing you pleb

>>80508486
But the whole trial was about race.

>>80509888
>just watch the whole thing you pleb

i really dont give a flying fuck about race relations over in murrica. i just like interesting trials.

>>80509901
Only because the defense team made it about race. Furhman wasn't in charge of the investigation, leading some conspiratorial campaign to frame OJ, and the LAPD didn't have it in for OJ. OJ got preferential treatment from the LAPD and the justice system every step of the way and used his race as a smokescreen to beat murder charges. Even his family said OJ didn't think of himself as black once he was successful. He became a white man.

Should I watch this if I already watched American Crime Story?

>>80503574
>a five part 30 for 30 miniseries event
someone explain this to me

>>80511498
30 for 30 is a sports documentary series.

>>80511534
thank you

>not convicted
>HURRDURR HE'S A MURDERER

what's the point of a justice system if you pick and choose which verdicts are correct?

>>80511435
Probably. american crime story is shit

>>80511827
Are you retarded or just autistic?

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>>80503574
really gave context to the entire trial..along with watching the O.J. FX show, you'd get a very nuanced historical perspective on this event, and see for what it is beyond the celebrity angle..
(the documentary obviously covers the trial too, but the show gave a good performance and expands on the trial aspect..)

It also gives you some understanding on the racial politics going on right now...

Watch the Doc,

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>>80503574

are there any other tragic reallife stories like this one? Im a non-american who was 4 when the oj thing happened, but after watching this doc I became obsessed with high profile murder cases (especially 90's ones).

>tfw I just spend a whole day watching Jonbenet Ramsay docs on youtube

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>>80511827

So what if:
>I would kill someone in broad daylight
>at times square during rush hour
>livestreaming it, with hundreds of witnesses around
>and when the cops arrive I would say: "I'm glad I killed the bastard"

would I still get out if for some weird reason the jury decides I'm not guilty?

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>>80503574

>Can we have a /pol/-free discussion about this documentary?

I liked what it subtly said about masculinity and ego in america. How oj having a gay father fueled his desire to be the "man" in front of his peers. How the thought of a girl leaving him messed with his identity so much that it put him in a fit of rage on a night he'll never forget. OJ: Made in america.

>>80503749

Was OJ a color blind person during the time he lived?

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>>80503757
>have nothing against or in favour of black Americans
I don't understand what the fuck this means. You don't favor black people? You don't have to favor anyone, since every person...is a regular person? You need to actively think about surpressing the urge to condemn blacks or some autistic shit?

>>80503947
He had literally no prior criminal record or any jail time...his brother was in and out of prison often, wasn't he?

>>80511891
What's wrong with it aside from Cuba?

>>80512389
then according to the will of the people, you're not guilty