Is this any good?

The only kino anime

>>80468240
>16:9

No. Retard.

The best anime, fight me.

DUDE I POST ANIME OUTSIDE OF /a/ LMAO

DBZ is actually a solid series, nostalgia aside. Each arc ranges from great to good.

Just watch DBZ Kai until the Cell saga.
Its all downhill from Buu onward...

Dragon Ball is best. Z is good, but very long.

>>80469878
This guy gets it. Dragon ball is nice and tight, with some great animation snuck in there (when tien and goku fight at the tournament)
DBZ drags on way to fucking much.

>>80469979

That is why Kai is a thing.
Besides, the only arc that drags is the Buu one...

>>80469847
kai blows. They changed kid Gohan's voice actor and made him sound like shit.

Dragon Ball's main attraction is it's nostalgia, the story or characters aren't actually good because the creators repeat the same arcs throughout the plot, but with just a different colored antagonist

>>80470028

Voice acting and no Faulconer ruin it for me.

>>80468240
No. If you want a shonen for straight people, watch yu yu hakusho.

>>80469878
Super is good currently, the Future Trunks/Goku Black saga was great. And the current world tournament just got back into how the animation used to be like plus Gohan is about to be a straight up badass again.

Original Dragonball is a god tier adventure anime with action catalysts to keep the plot moving

DBZ is a top tier action anime but has a lot of points where it drags on way too long

DB Super is pretty shit for the movie-recap arcs, watch the movies instead (Resurrection F is pretty mediocre there too), then it starts to improve with the tournament arc, and currently is pretty decent, but not quite DBZ tier yet.

>>80470141

The only instance when Falconer soudtrack is better than the original japanese one is during Goku's first SSJ3 transformation. That scene was on another level compared to the original due to the dub and falconer music.

>>80470210
>has a lot of points where it drags on way too long

Are you implying Goku and Piccolo getting drivers licenses isn't extremely crucial to the overall plot?

>>80470283

SSJ3, Vegeta's theme, and Gohan's theme on the Kai homeworld are all incredible.

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>>80470297
Nah that's god tier filler. More so pic related

>>80469574
I'll have to power up first

>>80470297

It's a single episode, who the fuck cares. Let's not pretend that all other anime don't have shit like that.

>>80468240

For a shounen anime?
Yes.
Dragon Ball is great. Dragon Ball Z drops off a lot after the Frieza Saga so that's a good stopping point but if you don't mind the transition from martial arts and techniques to power levels then the rest of Z is still perfectly watchable.

For anime as a whole.
Eh, kinda.
It's nowhere near the true anime kino in terms of writing and art direction like Shoujo Kakumei Utena, Tenshi no Tamago, etc. but it's a series that has had a lot of impact on the medium and needs to be respected for that. It's not like it isn't entertaining.

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>>80470489
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH

>>80470522
>Dragon Ball Z drops off a lot after the Frieza Saga so that's a good stopping point

>stopping before Cell and the androids

Buu is best stopping point.

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>>80470555

>>80468240
>watching shirtless men fighting
Literally gay

Would recommend dragon ball super as well if only for Beerus and Whis scenes.

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>>80468240
Not as good as this god-tier villain except the Mary sue ending. FUCK

>>80470283
Meh. The Japanese music that played when Goku was done with his transformation makes the scene for me. Although he got Vegeta's final flash better than the japs

>>80470580
You might as well finish it then. Buu has super hero Gohan.

>>80470661
Daily reminder Zamasu did nothing wrong

>>80470661
A recolored Supreme Kai?

>>80470522

But the Cell saga is the best saga.
It surpasses Freeza saga in any way.

That Gohan drama at the end is pure kino.

>Gohan is not like you, Goku
>right now he is probably asking himself why his father has abandoned him!

only thing that really annoyed me was the inconsistent animation. sometimes you'd get really movie like quality:
https://youtu.be/UgXuijaRdGA

other times it looks like it was drawn by a 12 year old.

>>80470580

There is a natural progression up until Frieza (I'm aware Toriyama was making it up as he went along but he did a good job). Goku beats up all the baddies on earth, then goes to space and beats the evil space emperor who is the strongest in the universe. Toriyama intended to end here, originally.

Android Saga and Cell Saga marks the point where the powerlevels get out of hand, the plot becomes increasingly reliant on asspulls for tension and introduces villains with regeneration meaning they have to be beaten by energy attacks and so the martial arts that made Dragon Ball so enjoyable become increasingly redundant in favour of getting your power as high as possible and firing off as big a laser as you can manage.
Cell is fun, but he's also just not a very good character compared to Frieza.

I'm not saying Android Saga and Cell Saga are trash, they're decent, but I maintain their a significant drop-off in quality from DBZ up until that point.

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>>80470719

Buu saga left all the Gohan fags with blue balls.

>all those episodes hyping up Gohan
>he finally fights Buu
>its amazing
>he gets absorbed in the next episode for some dumb plot device so Goku can save the day again

Fuck this gay earth.

>>80470998
It's to make them relate to Piccolo.

>>80470998
Who is the worst character, and why is it Son Goku?

>>80470998
He's potentially GOAT again in the upcoming arc. Only had to wait 15 years

>>80470941
>>80470210
this

>>80471075

Goku is only bad when oversused in an arc.
He was perfect for Freeza and Cell saga, when he wasn't the focus all the time...

>>80470998

>yfw that entrance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPuP-V8f-pU

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>>80469574
I have no choice then.

>>80468240
No. Read the Dragon Ball manga, and stop when it changes to Dragon Ball Z.

>>80468240
Watch it up until the conclusion of the Freiza saga. Then turn it off and pretend that was the end.

>>80468240
Only plebs watch the anime. Stick to the manga. The anime is such a poor adaptation that I'm stunned anyone could recommend it.

>>80471261
It can't be that different.

The first Broly movie has some of the best music of the series in the original, and the dub replaced it with shitty Pantera and other similar shit, it's like watching those Linkin Park or Drowning Pool mash-ups with DBZ that BRs keep putting on Youtube to be edgy.

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>>80471209

This is how you hype up a fight properly.
Tension, stakes, character, awesome music, great reactions from the watching audience, superb one-liners.

>fight you? no, I wanna kill you

Gohan >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Goku.

Why are normies suddenly pretending to like DBZ?

>>80471391
But Drowning Pool literally did the music for Cooler's Revenge.

>>80471617
In the dub, replacing once again music that was way better suited. I mean there are fucking edgy throaty lyrics singing over dialogue in the Broly movie, that shit is adsolute horseshit and detracts from the actual scene which is supposed to convey a feeling of desperation.

>>80469574
Dragon Ball is better than DBZ.

>>80468240
No, but it is a "classic". Just watch the Kai version or better yet watch an entertaining series with TFS abridged version.

OR better yet- watch Hunter x Hunter, the best shonen that surpases DBZ in every way.

>>80471617
This is the original Broly theme btw, shit so cash.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw1O026LSOU

>>80469574

You must have watched shounen anime exclusively to have an opinion like that.

>>80469649
>nostalgia aside
DB was a great series DBZ on the other hand was just ok.

>>80471943
Even then it isn't the best shonen. It's not the best in it's genre, let alone the best anime

>>80471888
Compared to this at 3:18

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMmC4QUrAEc

>>80471209
What a shit dub.

>>80471843

Hokuto no Ken>Hunter x Hunter> Dragonball>Jojo>DBZ

Digimon Tamers is the best shounen, fight me.

It's such a wonderful thing. At some point it must have been decided that the best man to pen the next series of Digimon, a series ostensibly for children, was Chiaki J. Konaka best known for writing Serial Experiments Lain and this was a thing that happened.

>>80470941
Am I the only one who preferred Cell over Freiza
I watched Kai recently, which I understand cuts out a lot of fluff, and the fight with Frieza from beginning to end feel like it took an eternity longer than it needed to. I respect the fact that Cell was beaten at a brisk pace, and that he was a much more entertaining character than Frieza

>>80472573
almost everyone agrees with that, the androids, future trunks, cell, gohans rise to super saiyan, vegeta in general. its all perfect

>>80472573
The buildup to frieza is what makes him a great character, from Nappa and Vegeta on earth to Vegeta even being afraid of him, until he uses his wits to undermine him on Namek and the unlikely alliance between him, Gohan and Krillin to confront Ginue and his gang. The characters and their evolution was unmatched throughout the whole series.

>>80470661
I really wish their final fight wasn't rushed. Merged Zamasu was really great man

At least Future Trunks got the last real blow.

>>80472573

You're in a minority.
Most people say it drops off after the Frieza saga.

Cell just isn't as good as a villain. He's basically just Frieza again, a smug guy- except Frieza had more backstory and character.

At least Boo was his own thing (before he became another smug guy).

Im gonna get shit on but Dragon Ball > Z

>>80469612
>he says as he posts on an anime website

>>80473952

You're not, that's factually correct and the only people who disagree are people who have never seen Dragon Ball or nostalgia-fags who grew up watching DBZ on TV and still watch it dubbed to this day.

>>80471355
There's lots of filler, and even when they're doing plots from the manga they insanely draw it out.

>>80473952
What an original opinion.

I just rewatched it over a few weeks. it really went full retard during that last saga, not surprising they never made another season of DBZ.

I'm gonna get downvotes for this but DB >>>> DBZ

dragon ball is so much better than dragon ball z (and all of the other iterations of the series)

DB >>>>>>>>>>>> DBZ >> DB Super >> DB GT
Dragon Ball is actually a good anime, the others are built on pure nostalgia

>>80475059

It's more like:

DB>Saiyan Saga to Frieza Saga DBZ>>>The rest of DBZ

Dragon Ball is the only anime that Chads have watched

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>>80475059
My fucking niggas

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>>80468240
it has birthed a lot of autism so not sure.

>>80468240
Do you like the origin story of Superman, stolen references of Journey To The West with retarded power scaling unheard of before? Then enjoy DBZ. Its good for people that don't know better

>>80469574
Most enjoyable both on nostalgia and pure entertainment.
Best overall? Nah. Try Legend of Galatic Heroes, Bebop or FMA Bro.

>>80470058
This. And Bulma's original VA was better.
Also the Jap music is the superior choice over that shitty electronic garbage.

>>80473840
> Frieza had more backstory and character
> Generic evil space emperor

If there's one thing Dragon Ball Z lacked of was depth to their villains. They were all more or less "I blow shit up because I can. I'm so strong". And Cell looked way cooler than Frieza

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>>80469612
/a/ isn't for discussion of anime, like /pol/ isn't for politics, you don't ask tech questions in /g/ and /lit/ is for philosophy and religion.

>>80469847
Buu Saga is not shit, it was a shift back to the humor that Dragon Ball once had.

Only a pleb wouldn't notice this.

>>80472573
Nah, I'm with you, Cell is GOAT. Best villain in the franchise up until Zamasu showed up

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>>80470210
>DBZ is a top tier action anime but has a lot of points where it drags on way too long

that's why i like Team Fourstar's Abridged series. alos, i think their voices are better - rather than Standard Asian Guy, their Android 16 sounded like an android.

also, their version of Mr Popo could be argued to be less racist than "*grunt* KAMI SAMA".

kind of a shame it's been three months since the last episode.

>>80476182
This.

All three major villains had no back story.
>evil King/Queen
>evil bug
>evil dough boy

Fuck. Buu actually has the most since he gets an arc to being chaotic good.

where can i watch kai for free?? with out downloading a torrent that'll take a month to finish

did anyone else watching Dragon Ball get wierded out when Goku went to Penguin Village? i hadn't even heard of Dr Slump, and i thought i was having an acid flashback. talking poo? super flying babies? wtf?

>>80474543
The writer/creator wanted to end the series but the editors and higher ups urged him to continue for the cash flow which is why everything after Cell is kind of a mess. His heart wasn't in it anymore. The Buu saga still gave us some great things like the completion of Vegeta's character arch.

>>80476323
Good lord kill yourself.

>>80476425
Kissanime. Streamable in 1080. Dubs or subs, your pick.
You're a scrub if you pick the Subs over Dubs on DBZ

>>80476425
http://dragonballcomplete.com/dragon-ball-z-kai/

>>80473840
While you can say Cell saga is similar due to him being like Frieza and we got another anti hero like Vegeta (Android 18) I still prefer Cell saga.
It had the whole Terminator rip off, with Future Trunks being a rad character, the Androids as compelling early bosses and Cell as a interesting Fly-Goldblum version kind of character.
But it's the fact that that saga was about a son becoming a man and following in his father's footsteps.

>>80476506

it was alright until around super buu then it turns into garbage quickly.

yu yu hakusho did it better

>>80476774
Agreed. Intro to Cell arc was legit creepy too. That news broadcast at Kame house and nobody knows what's going on.

>>80476882
And the fact that people were dying, even before Cell really meant that there were stakes involved.
Plus the new music by Kikuchi was GOAT.

It's only good when you watch it in your own language's dub. And watching it 1 to 2 episodes a day.
Though hxh 2011 or yuyu hakusho is infinitely better.

>>80469574
Its not even the best shonen anime

Dragonball Z is fightkino through

>>80476538
what's your problem? you need something to sneer at and you chose this thread?

>>80470555
gangster post

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>>80476323
>Team Fourstar
go back to /r/dbz

>>80476323
Love DBZ Abridged

>>80476323
Alright, listen up, maggots.

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>>80477511
>>80476323

>>80476323
their voices are shit. the guy who does vegeta sounds super fucking gay, and given how gay vegeta is in the first place thats really saying something.

>>80468240
Yes but watch Kai first

>>80470283

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQrK3UYlzr0

haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>80473840
>Cell just isn't as good as a villain.

He's pretty good, especially when they're trying to solve the mystery involving him and the missing people. Pretty spooky. Wish he had stayed monster looking in his next 2 forms

>>80468240
I finally ended Dragon Ball a year ago, it took about 1 year and a half to finish it because of erratic watching pattern, somedays i saw 6 episodes and then didnt watch it again until 3 months later

overall it was very good even for a non nostalgiafag but the plot did feel like dragging many times

>tuning into the cooler movie with disturbed dubbed over it's OST as the official

good times

>>80468240
Anime = Reddit
Manga = True kino.

>>80477953
I'm same way. Took forever to do DBZ. And I got 3/4 thru DB until I stopped then finished it after like half a year.

I prefer anime that had a short run.

>>80468240
no, read one piece instead

>>80478202
>one piece

Ew. Naruto is better. And even that has its bad moments.

>>80478202
>one piece
Art style too fucking ugly to get into

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>>80478027
MY SKIN IS COLLLLLD

TRANSFUSION WITH SOME-BODAYYYY

>>80478027
the movie dubs with that music are a disgrace

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Childhood is idolizing Vegeta for being dark and edgy.
Adulthood is loving Vegeta for being the underdog who will always be 2nd place and hoping one day he gets the victory he deserves.

>>80478620
He's surpassed goku at times in super, "that's my bulma" being the most obvious.

He might even be stronger than goku in their base forms/blue forms, but goku has his kaio-ken for short bursts, it's just like in their first fight

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>>80478678
I'm getting tired of Goku's shit. Vegeta needs the spotlight more. Gohan too. Fuck. Vegeta has so much more character development than Goku.

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>>80478750
Vegeta should have been the one to fight golden freeza, don't know what they were thinking, he was wasted that entire movie

>>80478787
Vegeta deserves to more than anyone else considering he served under Frieza his entire life.

>>80478846
And Frieza killed his father and blew up his planet.

>>80478865
But it's okay though because Frieza killed Krillin. So it matters to Goku more.

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>>80478620
Is Yamcha the first cuckboi in history?
>not winning a tournament
>not winning the girl
>cucked by a fucking manlet

>>80470555
> 3 episodes where they power up
> Spend 1 episode on actual fighting

This stuff pissed me off but I still loved the show.

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>>80478896
I removed as much of the cancer as I could.

>>80478910
It's a thing when you adapt anime from currently running manga like original DBZ or One Piece

It's either that or endless FILLER EPISODES

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>>80478787
>>80478846
>>80478865
GODDAMMIT TORIYAMA PLEASE. GIVE MY NIGGA SOME LOVE.
>>80478896
>cucked by a manlet
Lol

>>80479099
Naruto has filler for no reason though, the manga was finished, or they could have gotten the story, and it still took them months to finish the base story

>>80478750
>>80478787
>>80478846
Vegeta needs his own damn movie

>>80479243
Like Studio Pierrot are going to end the Naruto gravy train anytime soon

This is why we are having Boruto and light novels based in the Blank Period

>>80468240

No. Dragon Ball was superior in every possible way

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>>80478620
Vegeta also hogged up the GOAT emotional moment in all of DBZ

Frieza ravaging his boipucci for an entire episode is too feelsy

>>80479301
Dr. Slump (Old) > DB > DBZ > Dr. Slump (Remake) > DBS > DBGT

This is the only correct order of Toriyamakino

>>80470297

That is the single greatest filler episode ever made. I would take that and cut 5 episodes of Goku fighting Freeza

>>80476323
DBZA S2 is pretty great.
S1 is fucking unlistenable. The voice acting is bad and the audio quality is even worse.

>>80478896
>>not winning the girl

He did win Bulma at first. The guy is a pro athlete he couldn't stop sleeping around. Nigga you wish you were as cool as Yamcha

>>80479330
That was Piccolo, retard.

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>>80479476
my mistake

>>80479368

What about Chrono Trigger?

>>80479501
thanks doc

>>80479501
Thats why you need your daily dose cunt.

>>80479503
That's vydia, I never played it.

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Don't mind me, just being the moment DBZ peaked.

I'm still mad about the "Tournament" arc in Super. A fucking 80 man melee with Supers level of animation? This is going to be full Quality

>>80479535

It was a great game

>>80479558

It peaked at the fight between Goku and Freeza

>>80479558
>Majin saga

Guy, it peaked with SSJ2 Gohan, and even that ended on a weak note.

>>80479602
Super's animation got way better after they got through the movie recaps which they never should have done in the first place.

What we'll almost certainly get is a massive arena where only like 2-4 characters ever share screentime and everyone else is miles away.

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>>80479558
>implying

>>80468240
Watch the original Dragon Ball. It's way better.

>>80470661

NINGEN FUCKING SHITS

>>80479535
Dragon Quest was the superior Troiyama designed JRPG desu lad

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>>80479501
Nice

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>>80479724
>That moment when life peaked


Why even live now...

>>80477368
i went to reddit once and immediately left. i couldn't stand the shit format, and it's always amusing when someone disagrees and can't sling an insult other than "lol reddit". it shows they're out of ammunition.

> and your Ki level is pitiful, while i am only beginning to reach my ultimate power level!

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>>80477603
so you're saying you prefer the gravelly moronic KAMI SAMA popo to the arch, sneering terrifying-and-a-potential-rapist DBZA Popo?

are you from Alabama, and have you ever offered a black man a nickel to do a tapdance?

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>>80480323

>>80478298
>>80478344
plebs. seriously.

>>80479777
Coincidentally watching it right now. The training/tournament arcs were painful, please tell me it gets better.

>>80469574
that'd be one piece

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Cell saga was the last time the entire franchise was watchable.

>>80483334

Cell Saga was easily the worst arc in the entire series.

>>80483154

IMO it steadily improves over the course of the series.

The final battle between Goku and Piccolo is pure awesome.

>>80483366
Never said it was good, just comparatively better.

>>80483546

It's not better than Buu.

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>>80480323

Pretty much all of DBZ's acclaim is due to nostalgia. It's funny and charming but it's a handy guidebook for how to not make a shonen, or any kind of work really.

Dragon Ball is where the real quality is at.

>>80483154
>The training/tournament arcs were painful
>This shit taste

The first tournament isn't the best but the second and third are great. The third martial arts tournament is the high point of the entire series

Alright maggots, listen up. Popo's 'bout to teach you the pecking order. It goes:

You < the dirt < the worms inside of the dirt < Popo's stool < Buu saga < Kami < Cell saga < Frieza saga < then Popo.

>>80483959
I've only seen the first. It was painfully drawn out and 70% awful comedy. Also it's literally the third arc of a long running battle series and we've already established that Goku is stronger than the strongest man on Earth.

>>80484085

Well they just think Roshi is the strongest man on Earth. There's a hole bunch of guys and monsters that are waiting

>>80484027

Please don't ever post this again.

>>80478978
The Washington Capitals of DBZ.

>>80484027

lol ebin it's just like Abridged!

>>80470998
True Gohan fans know he was always meant to settle down.

>>80471209
The Buu saga was a bigger mistake than the Cell saga.

>>80484316

Anyone who thought Gohan was going to go on to be a warrior missed the point of his character

>>80484279
And if I do?

>>80484311
xD

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>>80473840
>Cell just isn't as good as a villain. He's basically just Frieza again, a smug guy- except Frieza had more backstory and character.
Also Cell was "I have every cool power of every character before" which is fucking 8-year old tier.

The Dragon Ball anime is superior to Z because there was a significant advantage in timing.

The first arc in the manga spans 23 chapters, while the same arc in the anime spans 13 episodes. Instead of having stretch to fill time, the manga's 15 month lead time meant the story could be totally at a natural pace with filler only being used to flesh out the story rather than pad it out.

The second arc was produced with the same advantage. The 23 chapters of the manga were adapted into 15 episodes of the anime, with the final chapter of the arc being published nine months prior to the final episode.

With the Red Ribbon Army arc much more filler was incorporated into the story, with 39 episodes being derived from 42 chapters with lengthy passages of filler. But unlike in DBZ, the hefty filler works to expand the story. The anime adaptation of the Red Ribbon Army arc started airing just weeks before the arc finished publishing in the manga, so the anime producers knew the scope of the story immediately and could write for that. As a result, the lengthy story feels much more epic in the anime while in the manga Goku is able to dispatch the army very quickly.

From here on out there would roughly be one episode of the anime to one chapter of the manga, which kept the anime from creeping up too close on the manga.

This really started changing when they switched to Z.

For example, the famously strung out fight between Goku and Freeza started publication on January 8, 1991 with the adaptation airing April 10th. The chapter where Goku transforms into a Super Saiyan was published on April 8th, two days before the fight started in the anime. The lead time was incredibly tight, with the adaptation starting production in the middle of the damn fight. They had to drag it out and since it was a fight there was very little they could do as a narrative.

The single biggest flaw in Dragon Ball Z is not only absent in the manga, it's also absent from Dragon Ball.

>>80477734
>DBZ: blame the editors: the manga

>>80483568
Yeah it kinda is.

>>80484085
>we've already established that Goku is stronger than the strongest man on Earth.

He's not though. Kamesennin beats him, and while it's by a hair it still proves that there is much for Goku to learn.

Goku doesn't become the strongest person on Earth until he starts fighting monsters.

>>80483568
Yes it was.

>>80471943
>>80471998
Anime is not a worthwhile medium to consume or invest time in if you're past high school.

>>80470998
>Implying Vegeto wasn't fucking awesome

>>80484515
>>80484561


Not even close. The Cell arc is the worst BY FAR. It's like Toriyama forgot was Dragon Ball was and reduced it down to golden haired retards shooting fireballs at cybernetic monsters. He got back on track with the Buu arc when he introduced more supernatural elements and resumed the expansion of his universe.

>>80484525

You don't even need to go that far. Tao kicks his ass

>>80484343
Pretty much. He's the hero despite himself in Cell, him "retiring" is the best thing that could happen to him.
I'm not one of those faggots who just wants characters to get their happily ever after, but Gohan was never a fighter, and without constant threats it makes complete sense for him to focus on doing him.
Him being basically a street level superhero as Great Sayiaman seems pretty fitting, he missed the saving people, but he's not into this whole powerlevel shit.

>>80479099
the garlic jr filler saga was good. also the driving episode.

>>80484525
>Kamesennin beats him, and while it's by a hair it still proves that there is much for Goku to learn.
Literally only wins because his legs are longer (which he and all the other characters acknowledge) for the sole purpose of tricking Goku into thinking there are stronger fighters than him out there.

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>>80470779
an apprentice kai from another universe who uses some dragonballs the size of planets to make a wish to switch bodies with goku

then he goes back in time and teams up with himself(in kai body) and kills all the other kais in the other 11 universes

>>80484731
oh he also wished for kai zamasu's body to be immortal, which fucks him over later

>>80484724

It's not a tricking him though. Goku's height is a legitimate disadvantage and there really are stronger fighters out there, such as Taopaipai.

It's taking the lesson "Goku needs to grow" and giving a literal example of it.

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>>80484731
>uses some dragonballs the size of planets to make a wish to switch bodies with goku
That's bullshit. Why would they do that with goku specifically?

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>>80469574
Agreed

>>80484628
It's like you have no idea how that arc went down through editorial, or didn't pay attention to the episodes themselves. Good job.

I'll give the Buu saga the edge in humor, but the Cell saga is better in character design (which is basically Toriyama's strongsuit imo), and I think both fit nicely in his universe (one with mysticism and the other one with cyborgs/RR).
Both stories are dumb as donkey dung bricks and involve lots of shooting dumb lasers, you're a fool if you think otherwise. It's why both are clearly inferior to Namek and Saiyan sagas.

It's cool if you think DB wwas all fantasy and no scifi, you're just wrong.

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>>80484831
>a SSJ3 frogposter agrees with me

This has been an interesting thread.

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>yfw you realized this rabbit is the most powerful being in the dragon ball universe

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>>80469574
Yu Yu Hakusho is better

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>>80469574
I'm no DB(Z) hater, however...

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>>80483677
but in order for someone to be nostalgic for it, they would have had to liked it in the past, so why then?

>>80484859

Not him, but how is DBZ sci-fi? It has aliens and spaceships and all that, but there's little to no focus put on those aspects. It's like calling Star Wars sci-fi.

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>>80484904

>mfw Roshi killed him and Goku never gave him a second thought

>>80484789
He would have won if not for a fluke beyond his control. I know the guy practically invented character progression in shounen but this is not it being done well.

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>>80485080
Oh fine, science fantasy you autist.
It has had cyborgs since Dragon Ball (no Z) and capsule technology has been a trademark of the manga since literally the 1st volume. Point being "SCIENCE!" has been as present as mysticism throghout the series.

>>80476017
>stolen

You can't steal from myth stories you dumbass

Superman himself is from the Hercules/Jesus archetype

>don't know better

If you actually watch or read these three stories they are all a completely different experience. The only person who doesn't know better is you

>>80484859
>It's like you have no idea how that arc went down through editorial

Don't care, 100% irrelevant.

>didn't pay attention to the episodes themselves

Sure I did.

>I think both fit nicely in his universe

Wrong. The Cell arc is a diversion. The running theme from the very beginning of the series has been the broadening scope of both the story and Goku's ability. He starts as a mountain hermit, discovers the world, topples the greatest martial artists, topples an army, topples a planet-threatening demon, topples an alien invasion and finally topples an intergalactic dictator, along the way becoming the most powerful warrior in the universe. So what's next. A guy made robots that several times stronger than a mutant alien who conquered the galaxy. Then he made a bug. Big whoop. Like I said, it got back on track with Buu, an enemy that was a direct threat to the highest Gods and expanded the scope once more to encapsulate the entire cosmos.

And how about the uniqueness of Goku's Super Saiyan ability being fucking ruined? 14 chapters after that huge moment some punk kid comes out of nowhere and does the same thing. Then 11 chapters later Vegeta shows up and he can do it, with zero build-up. Within six months of Goku becoming a Super Saiyan there were three in the story, and it was not earned at all. That alone ruins the arc. It was only redeemed in the Buu saga where the proliferation of Super Saiyans was lampooned by Goten and Trunks. God bless Goten and Trunks.

>It's cool if you think DB wwas all fantasy and no scifi

I didn't say that.

>>80483677
Nope, bdz's basterd children could have benefitted more from stealing more from dbz, but of course it's stealing.

>>80485210
>Wrong. The Cell arc is a diversion. The running theme from the very beginning of the series has been the broadening scope of both the story and Goku's ability. He starts as a mountain hermit, discovers the world, topples the greatest martial artists, topples an army, topples a planet-threatening demon, topples an alien invasion and finally topples an intergalactic dictator, along the way becoming the most powerful warrior in the universe. So what's next. A guy made robots that several times stronger than a mutant alien who conquered the galaxy. Then he made a bug. Big whoop. Like I said, it got back on track with Buu, an enemy that was a direct threat to the highest Gods and expanded the scope once more to encapsulate the entire cosmos.
I'm not arguing that Cell was a good enough follow-up to Freeza by any means, but Buu being a galactic threat does not make the entire arc good. That's literally worthless powerlevel shit.

>And how about the uniqueness of Goku's Super Saiyan ability being fucking ruined? 14 chapters after that huge moment some punk kid comes out of nowhere and does the same thing. Then 11 chapters later Vegeta shows up and he can do it, with zero build-up. Within six months of Goku becoming a Super Saiyan there were three in the story, and it was not earned at all. That alone ruins the arc. It was only redeemed in the Buu saga where the proliferation of Super Saiyans was lampooned by Goten and Trunks. God bless Goten and Trunks.
I agree with the first part, but then you think the saga that brought us SSJ3, Potaras, fusions and whatever it was Gohan was doing was "lampooning" the cheapening of super sayian.

>>80485080
It focuses a great deal on time travel though and robotics