What sort of film critic are you?

Which film critics are the bottom?

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>>80455720
I never critique film. I just watch it and move on with my life. I have no strong opinions of views on anything because I don't know that much to begin with.

>>80455757
Richard Brody, Camille Paglia

At this level, the line between critic and academic is blurred

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>>80455720
I am all of them combined

>soundtrack
you outed yourself pleb. good film never uses music.

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>>80455766
>people with credentials that support my opinion

>>80455720
This is actually pretty accurate, which is going against the original intention of the meme.

>>80456403
Absolute pleb right there
Patrician films use noise over inaudible dialogue

>>80456403
Fucking plebe best movies are operas

>>80456403
Congratulations, you just outed yourself as having a single digit IQ

>>80456403
haneke plz go

>>80455720
I don't poke holes I just enjoy the ride

I judge a film solely on how cute the actresses are

How do I critique a film? I have to admit that I am never able to really say anything much besides something general like "I liked the visuals, soundtrack", "It was exciting, funny"

Does this require multiple viewings and a good knowledge of film making techniques and history?

>>80457446
don't worry, you are like 99% of /tv/

a fucking retard

Aesthetic and Emotion>Everything else

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>>80457446
>Does this require multiple viewings and a good knowledge of film making techniques and history?

Yes. Go to a library or used book store and find a good textbook on the art of cinema.

Also, stop reading critics or watching youtube review shows because most of them are useless. Older ones like Pauline Kael and Andrew Sarris are much more insightful and worth your time. Pic related is also very fun to read and is more interesting than it looks.

>>80457446
Watch more movies and have a knowledge of film as a medium. And a sense of aesthetics, particularly painting and photography along with movies.

>>80455720
soundtrack is a literal fucking movie maker for me

>>80456403
bait

>>80457617

Also, read more literature, philosophy and history. Literature will help you appreciate good plots, characters, handling of themes, and overall improve your sense of aesthetics. Philosophy will hone your critical thinking skills and give you questions to ponder which a work of art demands or suggests. History will give you some context of what is going on in the world during certain stories.

I usually put visuals above everything else.

I tend to put the script before music though, unless the music just really stands out to me for some reason.

Visuals, Themes, Emotion and Dialogue/Acting

editing should be the most mentally stimulating

>>80455720
switch script with soundtrack and it's perfect.

>>80455720
According to this, the Star Wars prequels are better than the original trilogy.

>>80458914
Correct.

>>80455766
Topkek

>>80458914

How? The visuals are bland and uninspired.
The only good music is the Duel of the Fates and any time the Imperial March gets used as a motif in Sith's soundtrack.

Two good musical elements across three movies doesn't pull it up from being shit, no matter how much more the music matters than anything else, even if you were to believe such a thing.

>>80455720
Morality is a spook

>>80458096
Aye baby whos that woman?

>>80455720
somewhere between 3 and 4, but closer to 4. I think acting should be up there with visuals and soundtrack. Bad acting ruins otherwise good mvies. politics and morality fags are unironically worse than plothole and plausibility fags.

>>80460126

Camille Paglia

She's a "feminist," but SJWs hate her so she's pretty cool.

>>80455720
FIXED:
Script > Visuals > Acting > Themes > Soundtrack

OP if you want a music video, watch a music video.

>>80460205
Why do they hate her?
*Reddit senses tingling*

>>80460200
I don't think that visuals and acting are equal. It really depends on the movie, but for example, in the Revenant Leo's acting didn't ruin it that much cause he was silent for like 2 hours

>>80460293
I assume it's because she must hate le religion of peace

>>80458225
>>80458343

Script is only important for fags who just watch movies once. The real litmus tests for truly great movies is rewatchability factor, and this is where soundtrack and visuals come in. Many good movies have great scripts that make you feel wowed, but when you rewatch, you realize that's all the movie has. Nolan movies are the perfect example of this; they are usually very exiting on first watch but once you know the script they are boring as shit on second watch.

Great movies have good scripts, but also have the visuals, soundtrack and general feeling that makes them enjoyable several times. True kino have great scripts on first watch but also have the visuals and soundtrack to make them endlessly rewatchable. Oldboy is a good entry level example of this.

The ascended will also require philosophical, deep themes in their kino, but this is above the regular /tv/ pleb's understanding.

>>80460293
Because she hates third wave feminism

>>80455720
The last.

Blade runner.

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>>80458914

>>80460532
Nailed it

>>80460388
Acting has the potential to ruin a good movie, but wont in itself bring a good movie into the great category.

Mediocre acting can be really jarring and ruin a movie, while mediocre visuals are more forgiveable. On the other hand, great acting can not ascend a good movie into great factor. Moonlight is a good, recent example. The acting is great, but soundtrack, visuals and general style of the movie is average, so its not enought to make it a great movie. Another recent example, La La Land, probably has worse acting, but is far more rewatchable and a much better movie because the visuals are so much higher level.

>>80460532
very accurate

TFA shouldn't even have a brain though

>>80455720
faithfulness to source material
I'm going to see a fucking movie of _______, not anybody elses vision of what ________ is. Nobody gives a shit what director or writer wants to see and their interpretation, people just goddamn want to see a book they like transferred to film
fuck

Mis-en-scene
Editing
Themes

>>80460293

Just watch any one of her interviews on youtube. She's pretty quick to get into some ideas unpopular with SJWs.

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>>80455720
>visuals
What movie looks like this, besides Raw Deal?

>>80455720
first two should be swapped desu

>>80455720
You got the meme wrong. It's supposed to be the opposite of the truth in order to upset people, so plausibility should be at the bottom and visuals should be at the top.

>>80461320

This is wrong too. It should be plausible for the first 3 or 4, but the last one should be the subversion in order to upset people. Your method is too obvious.

>>80455720
Put number 3 at empty brain tier

>>80460256
>Script > Visuals > Acting > Themes > Soundtrack

This is the absolute worst ranking, absolute mouth breathing tier

>>80460670
>but soundtrack, visuals and general style of the movie is average

Another mouthbreather, the visuals elevate the film thematically, the soundtrack is thrilling, tense, not only it does its job, it's top notch all around. They are not average whatsoever unless you've only watched the classics and nothing else ever.

>>80461545
>hating deaf and blind people
the fuck is wrong with you?

>>80460256
'Themes' is not a separate category. Themes are things evoked by the script, acting, visuals, and soundtrack

>>80455720
What did you think of Hugo? I think using your criteria it would be GOAT, but the acting, script and story sucked 2bqh.

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>>80457792
Spotted the guy on his first day browsing forchin

>>80455720
Themes and ideas.

A film that's a 10 in everything on your list is still a mediocre movie if it isn't centered around ideas.

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>>80461703

>>80460888
You sound just like an sjw crying there isn't enough colored people.

If you dont like it make your own bitch. Can't wait to tell you how terrible your adaptation is.

See the two different versions of the shining and tell me the OG artist/writer is always right

>>80462225
I didn't say that. I also didn't say movies can't be good if they're not faithful.
I said people WANT to see the thing they're a fan of transferred to film. Do you know how rare it is, for a movie to be better than the book? There's a few examples, but not enough to say that it's a good practice.
If you don't want to adapt the book, why the fuck are you using the book as a basis?

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>>80458914
>SW prequels
>good visuals

>>80460888
>.t baby fanboy nerd

Emotional stimuli

>>80455720
All except first one

>>80461959
swap memes with shitposting and I'm in

>>80463289
>no nootkaposting

>>80462371
>manbaby thoughts

B2R pls

>>80463289
kek

>>80461079
Die Hard maybe? I guess it's "80's-90's American high-end business interior"

>>80458096
Put Armond in the middle and then Paglia above him.
Brody at the bottom.

>>80463289
>sheevposting that low
>implying anyone knows what pestposting and taxposting even is

>>80465317
I like Armond but he's too political to be considered a truly patrician film critic

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>>80462675

>>80466992
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this normie brain reddit/twitter meme is the worst thing to hit this website in a while

>>80467232
For you

I think soundtrack is a really important part of a movie. Part of what made LotR a masterpiece was the amazing score.

>>80466992
Looks like shit

>>80455720
Shouldn't most of those things be taken into account in every film review (with plausibility/accuracy and politics coming up if the film and/or the marketing go out of their way to address or advertise those subjects, and faithfulness being included as a metric if it's an adaptation of another work)?

>>80468436
They should all be taken into account, but in the right order

>>80460532
I like the way you think

>>80455720
Politics should be at the bottom. Judging a movie for what it says than how it says it is extra chromosome tier.

>>80467232
It was good at first, when it had some nuance and subtlety. Now it's literally
>Good thing is dumb
>Bad thing is smart

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>>80455720
Just came here so you guys would have a template that all face the same way.

>>80469130
Thanks pal

>>80460256
FIXED
Script = Visuals = Acting = Themes = Soundtrack

>>80458096
>Richard Brody is a knight

>>80463289
>no wheatposting

>>80455720
A combination of the bottom two, it's theoretically possible to have an absolutely astounding movie without a soundtrack though.

Likewise, a good director, cinematographer, and editor, given a screenplay suited for the task could make a great movie without any traditionally talented actors.

>>80463318
Tabooposting is actually my favourite meme atm. That goes out to you aspiring memers, keep it up lads

>>80461545
>Moonlight has good visuals and a thrilling soundtrack

LMAO, calling other people mouthbreathers while carrying this opinion.

>>80457446
>step 1: watch movies that aren't shallow garbage
>step 2: don't be a fucking moron
>step 3 (optional): watch (good) director's, editors, and cinematographer interviews and read academic film critiques. This is needed to "properly" critique film, but will empower you with the "proper" terminology needed to discuss techniques and stylistic choices used in films. Again, this isn't strictly necessary, but it will make conversing with fellow patricians much easier.

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Visuals are pleb tier. Just look at any BvS apologist thread.

I judge movies by character and subtext.

>>80470457
BvS visuals are pleb tier, which is why BvS apologist threads are pleb tier.

>>80470457
Also visuals can significantly contribute to subtext

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>>80470507
HES JESUS
YOU JUST DON'T GET IT
HE'S JESUS

>>80460437
>The ascended will also require philosophical, deep themes in their kino, but this is above the regular /tv/ pleb's understanding.
You just outed yourself as an uncultured proletarian.

Literature is an unequivocally superior medium for exploring deep philosophical themes. That isn't to say that cinema can't evoke complex philosophical ideas in it's viewers, but that should be by virtue of the emotions evoked by the film, not by the screenwriter's hamfisted insertion of their (likely shallow and trite) philosophy into the film.

Insisting that kino must contain """deep""" philosophical themes is literally on the same level of pleb as people who listen to rap "solely for the lyrics".

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>>80470507
The visuals in BvS are fine. No one can say Snyder doesn't have a good eye for cinematography. The rest of the movie is shit tho.
Not all movies with great visuals are great movies (pic related is from Frankenstein).

>>80470564
Yeah that's fine, but in that case I'd still be judging the subtext.

>>80460888
>I have absolutely horrendous taste in """literature""": the post
Books should play to the strength of books and cinema should play to the strength of cinema. If a direct and "faitful" adaptation of the source material works than it was either based on a shitty book or the end result is a shitty film.

There are literally no exceptions to this rule.

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>>80458096
corrected

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>>80470688
>No one can say Snyder doesn't have a good eye for cinematography.

>>80460256
Holy shit kill yourself.
Visuals >>>>> audio >>> editing/pacing >> script = acting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> """"""""""""""""themes""""""""""""""""

>>80470819
how does this dude animate his videos?
its honestly impressive

>>80470323
Is there a good source for academic film critique?

>>80458914
Prequel trilogy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlRJLcy8NsA

Original trilogy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-DeI3ohVbY

The visuals in the original trilogy are literally ten times better.

Technology and budget =/= stylistic and visual appeal

>>80471102
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/fli/advancedSearch.jsp

Try to read essays written by directors, screenwriters, esteemed authors and the like. Avoid career film critics like the fucking plague.

>>80471493
>Avoid career film critics like the fucking plague.
Precisely. This is why Camille Paglia is the GOAT
She's an incredibly well-read and intelligent academic who just happens to have an interest in film
Film journalists are by and large hacks in thrall to financial interests or the agenda of whatever shitty rag they write for

>>80455720

If I watch a movie and it's enjoyable I give it thumbs up. If I watch a movie and it's bad to shit I give it a thumbs down

If I watch a movie and it sticks with me and actually gives me a reason to rewatch it then it's in my top list.

That's how I critique a film. Film isn't a specific thing. It's combination of things that brings you back. Keeps you wanting the same experience.

Like a good meal or fine wine.

>>80470850
Nigger you are drunk on memes.

>>80471256
Nice cherry picking. You used literally the best scene in the whole franchise versus a dumb action scene they put in the prequels to entertain children. The prequel movies have their poorly executed scenes but overall, the visuals are extremely detailed and impressive and at the time pushed the boundaries of movie technology. The original trilogy had believable sets but nothing outstanding.

>>80472788
>having this pleb of taste
>not realizing that The Empire Strikes Back is the sole piece of quality cinema in a franchise of flicks and movies
https://youtu.be/3acC49W3yQk
vs https://youtu.be/8fP7YJtjbZY

>>80471493
Is there a reasonable way to use this if you aren't in academia? I don't have access to the full text of any of these articles.

>>80456403
This. No Country wouldn't be the same with a score.

This obviously doesn't go for all movies, but in general soundtrack is overrated

>>80472972
Step 1: get into a good university
Step 2: have free access to JSTOR for life

>>80473103
http://about.jstor.org/alumni#Institutions-in-program

Link related

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>>80473058
>anything adapted from a McCarthy novel
Read a book you fucking uncultured heathen

>>80473230
I've read many

Frame rate > depth of field > lens artifacts > film grain/noise > camera movement > audio mixing > script > stunts > special effects > visuals > soundtrack > acting

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>>80473350
this nigga knows

>>80473103
>>80473155
Well I already fucked myself out of that and it seems like my university doesn't have any useful stuff for alumni.

Fuck.

>>80473350
by this logic the hobbit was better than doctor zhivago

>>80465853
sheeveposting is literally facebook tier

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>>80473455

>>80473985
you'd know normie

>>80472788
>The original trilogy had believable sets but nothing outstanding.
I'm fully on board with the critical reevaluation of the prequels, despite it being generally a bit overblown and wilfully ignorant of their lesser moments, but why do prequel-fags always feel the need to denigrate the originals?

>>80474490
This. The prequels are underrated but people shouldn't forget how innovative and visually arresting the originals were

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>>80463289
>no Battsposting

Go home and get your fuckin shinebox anon

>>80456403
Correct-a-mundo

>>80455720
I think all of those components barring the shittiest tier are essential parts of any serious critique of a given film.

>>80460532
Unironically this

>>80475017
kek, is that fucking Aristotle? What does he have to say about cinema?

So what's the best film that says "lol fuck the source material"?

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>>80475233
You can't be serious
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poetics_(Aristotle)

>>80475285
The Shinin

>>80455720
Politics should be the smallest of brains, though.

>>80455720
None

>>80475354
No.

>>80475285

A Cock and Bull Story (although that movie might be too true to its source material desu)

>>80475352
I'm aware of his definition of tragedy, but how does it apply specifically to film?

Interesting to think about I guess. But then you could include any number of literary and philosophical figures

>>80475491
It's a stupid shitpost

>>80475285
Starship Troopers

>>80461079
Looks like Bob Morton's apartment in Robocop.

Is Raw Deal good? I love a good Arnold movie.

>>80475285
Old boyThe original you stupid fuck,

>>80475491
>>80475559
Aristotle's Poetics can be applied to any type of drama. A true film expert uses his guidelines to determine how good a film is

>>80475881
But that can be filed under 'script'

>>80475982
Visuals and sound are also covered. Only think that would need a stretch is acting

Only God Forgives had good visuals and soundtrack but was complete ass overall. Tell me how is this so?

>>80476111
Because visuals and soundtrack aren't the only things that matter, just the most important

>>80455720
I actually love listening to film scores. Have a pandora station for it and now I realize how big a difference it makes. I have movies I'll be indifferent to but I'll like solely because of the soundtrack.

Everything else I'll notice because it's either spectacular or complete shit and hard to miss.

>>80475285
Apocalypse Now

>>80455720
>acting in the same tier as writing

Critiquing a movie on acting is basically the plebbiest thing you can do.

>>80455720
the one who judges the movie on how much fap material I can get out of it

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>>80466992
Holy shit is this meant to be ironic?

Like I'm not trying to actively shit on the prequels but most of these shots are just so bland and soulless. The construction is fine but you don't feel any kind of emotion just by looking at them which is the entire definition of cinematography

Compare with something like pic related where even if nothing is happening or you ignore the context of the scene you're still made to feel a certain way just by the visuals

Maybe one or two of the Episode III shots evokes that

>>80460888
>>80462371
t. autistic manchild comic book-reader

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>>80477605
Unironically the best shot in the entire saga.

>>80462371
>Do you know how rare it is, for a movie to be better than the book?
The plebest opinion of all tbqh

>>80461688
n-no

>>80477605
Notice how the cinematography in The Terminator has nice rich saturated color and a slight haziness. Fucking LOVE that look. The Terminator was short using spherical lenses which were standard cheap lenses used for most film productions back then. the 1:85:1 aspect ratio also helps because it cuts out what I refer to as "dead space" that you get with the 2:35:1 ratio which is great for landscape photography but makes everything feel distant, particularly actors. Aliens was also shot in 1:85:1 as well as Avatar and it's a better ratio for packing the frame with detail while also not neglecting the actors.

I LOVE Terminator 2 and it does have great cinematography, by returning T1 DP Adam Greenberg, but Cameron went Super 35 with it and lost that sort of dreamlike like haze that the first movie has.

>>80477698
I unironically agree

Only matched by this scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT0Pmlyee6o

>>80457320
Hi dad

>>80470819
>>80470943

Who?

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I like memorable and enjoyable dialogue and subtle/nuanced plotlines that can be easily missed if you're not paying attention.

>>80477605
>but most of these shots are just so bland and soulless
>posts James "I make products for the masses" Cameroon, the kind of mediocre consumer filmmaking

>>80455720

>large brain sizes
>no mention of cinematography, directing, or mise-en-scene

>>80458914

By these criteria, Empire Strikes Back is still the best movie in the series.

>>80470130
Inb4 no country for old men?

>>80455720
Music is literally the least important part of a movie, kek.

>>80463289
What's taxposting?

>>80478346
thats visuals you small brained faggot

>>80475285
Memes aside, Drive

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>>80479632
>Ruling is hard. This was maybe my answer to Tolkien, whom, as much as I admire him, I do quibble with. Lord of the Rings had a very medieval philosophy: that if the king was a good man, the land would prosper. We look at real history and it’s not that simple. Tolkien can say that Aragorn became king and reigned for a hundred years, and he was wise and good. But Tolkien doesn’t ask the question: What was Aragorn’s tax policy? Did he maintain a standing army? What did he do in times of flood and famine? And what about all these orcs? By the end of the war, Sauron is gone but all of the orcs aren’t gone – they’re in the mountains. Did Aragorn pursue a policy of systematic genocide and kill them? Even the little baby orcs, in their little orc cradles?

>>80455720
If this is your criteria then Grace Randolph of Beyond the Trailer is the greatest film critic today.

Though 2bh in order of importance she goes 4,2,3,1 which means she has some pretty pleb amounts here and there.

>>80479096

If you're a true pleb

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>>80455720
Improved

>>80470819
based max
but he'll be eternally tainted with the pony stigma

>>80470905
You're a clown if you think audio isn't number one. If you have a film with good video, but shit tier audio, then you have a shit tier film. This isn't even an argument, it's unequivocally the truth.

>>80480569
whats the difference between emotion and soul?
2/10 too vague

>>80473960
yes and ?

El Hombre Hobbito is the greatest movie ever.

>>80460532
this. i cant believe how underrated ep 3 is

>>80475233
I think it was Aristotle or Socrates that wrote the founding pillars of a 3act story

>>80455720
I'm a combination of visuals and performance

>>80481227
>doesn't understand the difference between the emotional and spiritual worlds
0/10 I bet you have a subscription to #Ifuckinglovescience and r/atheism

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Convince me otherwise

>>80463289
>no vinceposting
How the mighty have fallen

>>80470819
>>80480996
max did ponies ironically. now that their culture is too gross hes moved onto the clearly superior powerpuff girls

>>80478006
max gilardi

he does stop-motion in 3d, like a virtual claymation.

what a pro

>>80482064
cleft chins are only for guys