Occasional Golden Age of Hollywood General

Sergei Eisenstein for best visionary

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Reminder the TCM app is a must for fans of classic Hollywood and cinema in general, it's amazing. Live streaming, but the OnDemand makes it.

Some classics i've enjoyed in the past couple weeks:
Beatty's first feature Splendor in the Grass, Days of Wine and Roses was heartbreaking, Billy Wilder's Ace in the Hole is great and presages our exploitative media environment, All that Heaven Allows is beautiful, The Fountainhead with Gary Cooper's actually good, Sweet Smell of Success and a Face in the Crowd also are especially poignant today.

>>80409479

>Eisenstein
>Hollywood

>>80409498

>tfw no equivalent of filmstuck/TCM in the uk

BFI have a streaming site but the selection is incredibly limited and most of it isn't HD

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Post Jewfus

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>>80409607

>>80409607
I heard that Marylin Monroe converted to Judaism when she fucked Arthur Miller, causing Egypt to ban all her films.

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For real, why is Nicholas Ray so overrated?

Lubitsch is very underrated to be honest

reading this book on ava gardner. what are some of her best movies to check out?

>>80409514
He was basically a Golden Age director being held hostage by Stalin

>>80410765
Show Boat

>>80410765

The Killers

>>80409498
I doubt the TCM app works in Canada, or at least allows for streaming
>tfw moving out of parents house and now won't have TCM

>>80410798
>>80410906
okay, thanks!

How many films from this era have you been able to convince your friends/family to watch with you? How easy has it been?

I have been able to get a friend of mine as into Kurosawa as me but I can't get my brother to sit down and watch Lawrence of Arabia. On occasion my mom will watch something on TCM with me but otherwise I can't get any one else to watch classics.

>>80411379

I don't reveal my film power level to anyone

>>80411379
My Aunt and Uncle introduced me to the classics like Astaire and Rogers, WC Field and Buster Keaton. Besides them I don't really watch older films with anybody.

>>80411379
Lawrence of Arabia is not a good film to show people who arent interested in film. Im very interested in film but LoA is a drag. Id rather pick Bridge on the River Kwai if you want something from that era.

Double Indemnity is great if you want to get someone interested in noir. Casablanca is of course a great entry level movie because it captures the 40s film feeling as well as being a great movie.

>>80411506

The problem with Casablanca is that once you get to the second half pretty much every line is now a meme

>>80411379
i've been able to watch some screwball comedies with my mom and that went pretty well.

>>80411506
I'm not trying to "introduce him to film" but more so just get him to watch something from before 1980. LOA is one of my favorite movies and is widely regarded as a classic so that is the one I usually just throw out now as a joke waiting for him to finally agree. Its weird since he has taken some film courses at uni yet seems to have no interest in film. For example he was made to watch Citizen Kane for class and he dismisses it as trash and overrated. Not because of any legitimate film criticism but just because he didn't like it with no appreciation for what has made it influential.

>>80410794

He was himself a Stalinist

>hollywood
>plebs not allowed

It's like you try to create a paradox.

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>>80409409

best Bogart film coming through

>>80411780
No offense but he sounds like a pretty dumb individual. Inability to view something in the context of the era its from is a sign of poor mentalization ability, which again is linked with low intelligence.

See if he likes Network (1976) and work backwards through movies you like could be a more successful strategy than starting in the 40s.

>>80412076
I did watch Network with him and he thought it was alright, not that great. He is pretty intelligent except for when it comes to movies and tv, he still thinks the walking dead is one of the best shows on tv and has it recorded if he knows he will miss the new episode. He is also one of those people who are slightly autistic about weapons, in that he knows almost every make and model and so will concentrate on shit like that. Once I watched the Keaton Batman when he walked in, the Joker had a revolver and fired 6 shots then the gun was empty. He made me rewind it so he could count the number of shots and then acted impressed that the film was "accurate' in that way He also uses his ADHD as an excuse. At this point I think he is a lost cause for showing films to, even comedies like Dirt Rotten Scoundrels has caused huge arguments.

>>80412009

Hello Mr Redditor

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>>80409607

Why are there so many of them?

>>80409498
>Days of Wine and Roses
I fell in love with Lee Remick only to watch her destroy herself

>>80410743

Shop Around the Corner is a masterpiece

>>80412315
>autistic about weapons
>likes twd

pick one

>>80410743
The Merry Widow is so great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLGzPDPw8Jw

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>>80409607
It's HEDLEY

>>80412315

>He made me rewind it so he could count the number of shots

He's literally autistic, I don't mean like the 4chan meme I mean autistic for real

>>80410765
On The Beach and Night Of The Iguana were the ones I enjoyed most with her, though she's a little older in them

Trying to assemble a list of Golden Age actresses whose movies I want to check out. Nothing comfier than watching an old black and white movie with a beautiful female lead to end my day.

Any recs?

>>80415578

Veronica Lake:

Sullivan's Travels is great

I Married a Witch and The Blue Dahlia are alright

>>80409751
really?

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what's the earliest example of ass in a movie?

Any movies I should check out that are like east of eden or splendor in the grass? Really like that 50s-early 60s feel

>>80410743
No, he's definitely not. Nearly everyone that knows Lubitsch loves his movies..

>>80415700
>Sullivan's Travels is great

It is one of the greats. That scene where the black parishioners and the prisoners watch a Mickey flick, and the implied healing power of laughter in cinema, is just sublime. Having said that, part of me wishes Sturges was allowed to use a Chaplin short as he had hoped to do, but which Chaplin denied.

>>80413267
Yep, just brutal.

>>80415700
>I Married a Witch and The Blue Dahlia are alright
I Married A Witch is 10/10 comfykino

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What a disappointment. 6/10 at most.

>>80415755
All that Heaven Allows, Rebel w/o a Cause, Cat on a Hot Tin Roof

is giant any good? Been putting it off for a while

>>80415910
same

>>80415747

>Another aunt she visited, Elsa Adler, first told Ingrid, when she was 11, that her mother may have had "some Jewish blood," and that her father was aware of that fact long before they married. But her aunt also cautioned her about telling others about her possible ancestry as "there might be some difficult times coming".[7]:294 Biographer Aleksandra Ziolkowska-Boehm, however, notes that the claim of Jewish blood was likely an embellishment. After being forced to do an in-depth genealogical investigation, Bergman's maternal cousin found there to be no Jewish ancestry on Bergman's mother's side.[10]

>>80415797

It's a pretty fun flick

>>80415829

Nah it's 8/10, one of Wilder's best late period films

>>80415748
Monika in Summer With Monika gets naked and shows ass.

I watched gentlemen prefer blondes a few days ago. Didnt know it was a musical going in. Was pretty alright.

>>80415941
>Completely unsophisticated political commentary
>Annoyingly fast pace
And, most importantly
>James Cagney is NOT funny

It's like a bad parody of Ninotchka

>>80416030

It's nothing like Ninotchka, apart from some surface level themes

>>80416141
It handles the same themes, but in a mediocre way

>>80416174
I Married a Witch is about American politicians and Ninotchka's about the fucking Soviet Union.

>>80416174

It's a farcical screwball comedy, Ninotchka is a romcom

>>80416214

He's talking about Billy Wilder's film One Two Three

>>80416215
>capitalist falls in love with communist
>three old guys from the URSS appear to uphold orthodoxy but end up loving the luxuries of the capitalist world

>It's nothing like Ninotchka

>>80416322

Those are subplots, it all plays out very differently. Ninotchka is very much an 'old world' pre war film focused on the aristocracy and the glamorous. One Two Three is a Cold War film and very much post WW2 in new American post war cultural hegemony.

>>80416440
the tone and historical context are different, but the plot is very similar
at least give me that

>>80415830
Any more?

>>80416509

On the Waterfront

>>80416509
Written on the Wind, On The Waterfront, A Place in the Sun, Bigger than Life

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One of Hawks's best.

I read a Theda Bara biography, any of her surviving films worth watching?

>>80416841

Generally not a Hawks fan but this one is super comfy. It helps that I have a nohomo thing for Cary Grant.

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Who classical musical here?

>>80416891
I need to dig deeper into musicals, one of my weakest spots

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>>80416891
Love the Gay Divorcee, best songbook imo, and like Top Hat and Swing Time a lot. Still need to see Shall We Dance

https://youtu.be/Sx-VCmea7h4

>>80416884
>nohomo thing for Cary Grant

same but with Humphrey Bogart

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>>80415455
i'll look into it, thanks.

What are your top 5 movies from the 50s?

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>>80417554
Just off the top:
Orpheus
Johnny Guitar
Sunset Blvd
Vertigo
Kiss Me Deadly

>>80417554

Only including English Language films:

Some Like it Hot
Touch of Evil
Vertigo
12 Angry Men
North by Northwest

t. embro

>>80417092

>not having Jimmy Stewart as your husbando

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>>80416941
I would start with Top Hat or Swing Time... OR Gold Diggers of 1933 for the first GREAT musical.
>>80416967
>Shall We Dance
It's seriously awesome

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>>80417554
Singin in the Rain
Paths of Glory
Some Like it Hot
12 Angry Men
The Night of the Hunter
(honorable mention) The Band Wagon

>>80418187
>>Shall We Dance
>It's seriously awesome

Nice, i look forward to watching it, as I understand those 4 are considered their best?

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>>80418496
Yup. The Barkleys of Broadway and Roberta are fun too.

>>80418125
I-I-I couldn't take the, the stutter, y-you see.

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>>80409409

I've been bingewatching classic epics. Damn those things were fun.

Quo Vadis is a masterpiece.

>>80418585
Ah Roberta right, i knew i was forgetting one, thanks.

Generally recommending The Gang's All Here too, really charming musical.

in its entirety:
https://youtu.be/xZp-s4wIc_s

The final sequence starting at about 1:36:12 is trippy af, very Matthew Barney-ish, who did any awesome job incorporating this sort of aesthetic and Berkely's as u mentioned above into his work.

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>They wouldn't let Karloff out of his Broadway contract so that he could go reprise his role in the movie version

Fucking bastards, this would have been 11/10 with Boris.

>>80418831
>1:36:12

I meant 1:37:12

>>80417554
vertigo
gun crazy
floating weeds
muerte de un ciclista
rififi

>>80418902
I dunno. I wanted to like it, i found it just ok. The tone/humor isnt really there, Grant's a bit off his game, but yea, honestly Karloff would have elevated it big time.

>>80418831
>The Gang's All Here
Thanks so much for the suggestion. Looks right up my alley! I didn't watch the whole sequence, but that is really trippy. Can't wait.
>>80418902
Man, I never new that. What a bummer. It's still Halloween tradition though.

>>80417554
Rear Window
Roman Holiday
Rashomon
Diabolique
Rififi

What do you guys think of America America?

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The lady who played melanie in gone with the wind is still alive, she's 100 years old

>>80412315
>>80414789

>needing to rewind to count the shots
>not just naturally counting the shots whenever a revolver is fired

Everyone doesn't do that?

>>80419346
That's a persistent wind.

>>80419636
She was also born in Japan

>>80419636
for you

>>80411379
My great film buddy is my dad, but he doesn't like "old" stuff anyway.

>>80419184

Lesser Kazan

What's your favorite Chaplin movie?

Also, do you find his movies to be genuinally funny or do you just watch them for cultural/historic value?

>>80420868
both but they're genuinely genius comedy and hilarity, timeless

a king in ny and verdoux are excellent late period films

>>80416967
Why don't these movies get remakes? Same title but its a gay movie. Gay divorce hasn't really been tackled yet in a mainstream movie.

*shitposts then disappears*

>>80416891
I watched 5 Fred Astaire musicals and this one was best.

>>80421843
>*shitposts then disappears*

You sonovabitch

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As a confirmed pleb, I thoroughly recommend It Happened One Night. I suspect it might have gained critical acclaim by accident because it's too entertaining to be a real classic. It reminds me of anime.

>>80420868
I only watched Modern Times, and it had some great scenes but the film as a whole was not great, because of lack of any cohesive plot.

I instead recommend The General, with Buster Keaton, which I rank as top 50 film of all time easily, maybe even top 20.

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I recently finally saw RDJ as Chaplin. The film is not very good but his portrayal is well done.

Filmstruck has pretty much everything he did, the early shorts i mean, the Mac Sennet stuff, Mutual, Keystone, just a ton. Comfy late night viewing.

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>>80422691
>lack of any cohesive plot.

Modern society is supplanting man with machine and men themselves are become automatons. But with a cute lil love story. It's great. But yes the General is astounding.

>>80422584
>I suspect it might have gained critical acclaim by accident because it's too entertaining to be a real classic. It reminds me of anime.

What the fuck

>>80409409
I remember watching once a movie but can't remember the name, it was about a con artist committing crimes and murders, making a baroness and a actress or a singer fall in love with him, at the end he is captured and is waiting for sentencing while writing his memoirs in prison cell admitting to all of his crimes, at the very end they release the fucking guy with both of the women waiting for him outside and him panicking because he left the notes back in the fucking cell

>>80422801
The exaggerated characterizations and general wackiness of it. It's a character driven story that's obvious enough for even spergs to understand it. I'm 100% serious and I love the cognitive dissonance this causes sophisticated people.

>>80422875
Sounds like Monsieur Verdoux? But i dunno about that last part

https://youtu.be/bpwye2H9tBQ

>>80420868
More charming and heartwarming than laugh out loud funny, although he also has that kind of moments

>>80422584
>it's too entertaining to be a real classic.

>that enlightnening moment when you realize that golden era hollywood is more entertaining than all the modern explosion robot superhero secret agent gunshot scifi hot babe car chase crap

>>80422875
>>80422977
No, that's Kind Hearts and Coronets, a British classic (personal top 100 of all time) where Alec Guinness plays like 8 different characters

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>>80422479
You see The Band Wagon? That one's my fav.

>>80422968
>I love the cognitive dissonance this causes sophisticated people
Sophisticated people know that Hollywood was and is for the masses. Those sophisticated people that you know don't seem to be all that sophisticated.

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>>80409409
The 30 produced the best RomCom of all time in It Happened One Night.

I'll give a slow nod to The Thomas Crown Affair but not the remake, fuck that noise.

>>80423236
>Kind Hearts and Coronets
Holy smokes thats the one, god bless

Sorry, I know you said no Plebs Allowed but I've been watching Feud on FX about Bette Davis and Joan Crawford, and it's really gotten me into "old Hollywood" because the show is fantastic at setting a tone and period.

Is Whatever Happened to Baby Jane good? My mom loves it.

>>80423294
Not yet, but I'll watch it, thanks for the recommendation.

>>80423294
Not that anon but thanks for this suggestion, just read about it, looks good

What are some Kellykinos anons?

I've only seen his cameo scene in Young Girls of Rochefort and Singing in the Rain's good, but I didnt enjoy it as much as Rogers and Astaire, save for a couple great numbers.

https://youtu.be/ma4r313DfkA

>>80417554
Rio Bravo
Rear Window
Paths of Glory
12 Angry Men
Sweet Smell of Success
Foreign - Nights of Cabiria

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>>80423408
Yeah, it's very good.

Directed by the guy that made the similarly excellent Kiss Me Deadly and The Dirty Dozen.

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>>80423378
>The 30 produced the best RomCom of all time in It Happened One Night.
The 30s and 40s produced some of the best rom coms ever.
Bringing Up Baby, Holiday, His Girl Friday, The Philadelphia Story, Adam's Rib, The Lady Eve

Best thread on /tv/ in a while lads. Can anyone rec me some cool noir mystery films that aren't well known?

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>>80423726
>The Lady Eve

Stanwick's g rated seduction of Fonda in the hotel room is genuinely hhnngg-inducing to me. Great film all around, Preston Sturges' stable of supporting actors are the best.

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>>80423586
IMO, Kelly is not even close to Astaire in terms of his movie catalogue.
An American in Paris is good, mostly thanks to the last 20 minute dance sequence.
On The Town and Anchors Aweigh are both heckin good times and include Frank Sinatra.
For Me and My Gal has aged very well and both Kelly and Judy Garland work great together.

Cover Girl is OK, mostly because Rita Hayworth is super charming.

>>80423882
Kelly was the better dancer, Astaire the better actor.

any other dark musicals like a star is born?

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>>80423834
You know the ultra-low budget Detour? Simple as fuck but just a perfect distillation of the genre, best femme fatale. Only an hour and 8 minutes. It's currently streaming on TCM and their apps.

An aged Robert Mitchum plays Philip Marlowe in a really good 1975 noir called Farewell My Lovely, sort of neo noir I guess but less expressly self aware as Chinatown and The Long Goodbye, both great, but a little straighter more hard boiled.

>>80424059
new york, new york, my dream is yours, the band wagon.

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>ywn ride the rails w the cutest hobo

>>80422691
>Keaton

1:13:57 still funny almost 100 years later.
https://youtu.be/cRNObtP_Fgo

>>80415748
there should be lots Pre-Code

someone post them pls

Does who's afraid of virginia woolf fit into this? That's one of my favorites.

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>>80425395
Yes! (barely)
Ending is amazing.

>>80409409
Sin City is in black and white, does it count?

Is there a better comedy than His Girl Friday?

Is the next best comedy ever The Thin Man?

Was Carey Grant ever not good or ever in a bad movie?

I wish /tv/ would discuss anything from this era more, I'm sick of capeshit and /pol/ bait threads (I go to /pol/ for those). Doesn't even have to be high-level discussion, just something.

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>>80427006
>Was Carey Grant ever not good or ever in a bad movie?
His filmography is incredible. He was in hit after hit. Name someone with as good of a catalogue as him.

>>80427006
Ernst Lubitsch made the best comedies.

>>80423964
Kelly was the better dancer in an athletic sense, but he was such a good dancer that it was kind of a specialized thing, you have to really be into dancing to like some of his movies, because honestly, dancing is kind of gay. Fred was totally mainstream, so anyone could enjoy his movies. His movies were extremely heterosexual, right now the middle.

>>80427006
Only Angels Have Wings is probably the best movie in the entire golden age of Hollywood

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>>80427435
>>80416841
My negro!!!

>>80427319
>Name someone with as good of a catalogue as him.
I'm struggling to think of one, at least in this era. Gary Cooper or Bogart maybe? I don't actually know all of their roles so I'm just throwing out names.

>>80427646
Bogart had a lot of stinkers in the 40s, and Cooper had a period of about 5 years in the 30s with nothing but bad movies (although I actually really like Marco Polo)

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Anyone else a fan of musical biopics?

Jolson Story is kino and it's tragic that it has fallen into obscurity.

>>80423700
Aldrich is one of the most underrated directors of all-time. KMD is the best film to come out of the entire film noir movement, and the entire spaghetti western genre is built on the back of the fantastic Vera Cruz. Not to mention Baby Jane, Hush Sweet Charlotte, The Big Knife, Flight of the Phoenix and later career masterpieces like Emperor of the North or Ulzana's Raid. No idea why he doesn't command a bigger following.

>>80423294
I just watched it. A strong start with the shoe shine sequence, some creative choreography there. Drags a bit in the middle but the film noir parody near the end is great so I can forgive that. Cyd Charisse is very good. Not as good as Top Hat but definitely one of the better Astaire musicals.

What's Hitchcock's best film? And why is it The Man Who Knew Too Much?

>>80429165
It's Vertigo and, honestly, it's not even close. Shadow of a Doubt is a distant second.

>>80428724
Give me some other recommendations.

>>80429199
Hitchcock is hugely overrated. I haven't seen all of his but Vertigo is easily the best of what I've seen.

>>80429205
Song Of Love, with Katherine Hepburn as Clara Schumann, is painfully underrated. A wonderful picture.

>>80429238
I think that his good taste in women helped him a lot. All of his films, while generally good, feel very similar. If you watch two of them in a row you'll quickly get bored.

>>80429205
Yankee Doodle Dandy and the Seven Little Foys are both rather good. They're connected by a single but amazing cameo scene so it's worth watching them in that order.

>James Cagney and Bob Hope having a dance off on a table

Nothing beats this.

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>>80429276
>>80429501
Thanks guys.

>TFW this thread won't hit 300 replies.

>>80429285
>Vertigo
>Rebecca
>The Birds
>Psychose
dude they're totally similar lmao

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>>80430747
Not with that attitude it won't!

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who's your silentfu?