Why didn't Zod and his crew just raise their kids on the ship?

ON A SHIP?

>>80362980
Because that would make sense.

Because you didn't watch the movie apparently

Because no one told that to his snapped neck

>>80363396
'no'

>>80362980
Because Frodo didn't use the Eagles.

>>80362980
They were gay.

>>80362980
They dont believe in fucking or natural birth, or did you not see that plot point?

Why bother terraforming Earth when it's already plenty livable?

>>80364952
This is the real question. It took Zod'n'pals like an hour to adjust to Earth. And they got super powers from it. If they terraformed Earth to be a pseudo-Krypton they'd lose all those powers

>>80362980
Because deep down Zod wasn't ready for that kind of commitment.

>>80364992
The sun gave them superpowers, not the planet.

>>80364952
>>80364992
You can't recreate a Kryptonian society where they all have superpowers.

>>80365027
That's how it's supposed to work but in the movie Supes loses all his abilities on the ship just from it having Kryptonian air.

>>80365027
The atmosphere was mentioned several times in the movie though? I admit it's been since I saw it in theaters but I'm pretty sure the atmosphere had something to do with it too. In the comics it's just the sun.

>>80365027
Part of terraforming would be changing the atmosphere so the sun's radiation would be greatly less effective.

>>80362980

Because he realized the distress beacon on Earth was from Kal-El's ship. If you remember, he swore revenge on the House of El by finding and killing Jor-El's son. That, and he wanted to reboot his chosen citizens of Krypton, and there's no way their ship could support that.

>>80364952
>>80364992

Zod literally says "And have my people spend years suffering on this planet like YOU did?" to Superman. Just because he was able to fight doesn't mean that Zod wasn't experiencing mind-blowing pain. He was just able to work through it.

>>80362980
Why did the thousands of Kryptonian colonies die out within the 30 or so years it took for superman to mature?

Considering its stated that the Kryptonians knew about earth and the insane powers it would grant them, and also the fact that there is a race of people living there identical to Kryptonians in every way, didnt they reach out?

Why did Zod feel the need to remake current earth when with only a little bit of training his people would have no issue with the atmosphere and possess incredible powers?

>>80365216
>Why did the thousands of Kryptonian colonies die out within the 30 or so years it took for superman to mature?
I'm not saying it was Brainiac, but it was Brainiac.

>>80365216
The colonies were abandoned long before the events of the movie. Jar-El even said how stupid it was in his monologue to abandon them for the easier route of raping their planet's resources

>>80362980
They were almost out of fart gas filters.

>>80364992
>it took zod like an hour to adjust to earth
Zod literally screams to Supes about how he was bred to be a warrior and trained his whole life to hone his senses. Every other kryptonian would lose their shit just like Clark did in the school.

>>80365328
Clark didn't even lose his shit that bad, and the new gen Kryptoneons would have other Kryptonians telling them how to deal with it instead of hapless farmers

>>80365328
but Clarke didnt know what was happening, if that shit was explained properly, and they were guided through it,
It would be a small price to pay, for fucking Superman level powers

>>80365216

>Why did the thousands of Kryptonian colonies die out within the 30 or so years it took for superman to mature?

30 Earth years don't equal 30 Kryptonian years. The movie specifies this.

>Considering its stated that the Kryptonians knew about earth and the insane powers it would grant them, and also the fact that there is a race of people living there identical to Kryptonians in every way, didnt they reach out?

Jor-El didn't learn about Earth's radiation until he was finding a place to send his son.

>Why did Zod feel the need to remake current earth when with only a little bit of training his people would have no issue with the atmosphere and possess incredible powers?

Because the majority of "his people" were still only part of the Kryptonian codex, in order to bring them back, he had to destroy all pre-existing life on Earth. He wanted to recreate Krypton in his image, like any megalomaniac.

Zod didn't want God powers, he wanted things back the way they were. That's why he chimps out when Superman destroys his ship and the codex.

>>80365270
>The colonies were abandoned long before the events of the movie
Not true, Zod says and the movie shows them seeking out the colonies after Krypton implodes and they're freed. only to find them in ruin

>>80365436
Yeah they were in ruins because they were abandoned by Krypton.

>>80365216
>Considering its stated that the Kryptonians knew about earth and the insane powers it would grant them

W R O N G

At the beginning of the movie, Lara says to Mon-el "I have found a viable planet" then Mon-el, a scientist, looks at it then looks at the sun and says "it is a young star, his cells will drink its radiation." "He will be like a god to them" He was figuring it out as he was seeing the info.

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>Zod will never be your father figure and you will never tag team Bruce Waynes arsehole

>>80365420
>30 Earth years don't equal 30 Kryptonian years. The movie specifies this.
So Kyrptonians age based on the time of the planet they're on and not their genetic make up?

>Jor-El didn't learn about Earth's radiation until he was finding a place to send his son.
He already knew the place, he doesnt look for it, he goes straight to it and says 'he'll be a god to them' how could he know this if they didnt already have logs on the planet?

>Because the majority of "his people" were still only part of the Kryptonian codex, in order to bring them back, he had to destroy all pre-existing life on Earth
Perfect example of a villain being evil for evils sake, poor writing, sad!

>>80365027

Joke's on your MoS superman breathes in Earth's rich atmosphere or some shit and that's where his powers come from. And then in BvS he goes back and regens in space because these movies have no idea what they're doing.

>>80365531
You're just too dumb to get it.

>>80362980
There wasn't a clear tax policy on the ship when it came to naturally birthing children. That hack Snyder never told us Zod's tax policy at all.

>>80365497
So of all the planets in the universe, and with limited time and soldiers literally charging the door, Russel Crowe manages to luck onto a planet harbouring life nigh on identical to his own.
I'm disappointed, just further evidence of lazy writing

>>80365528

>So Kyrptonians age based on the time of the planet they're on and not their genetic make up?

Yes. In the comics, Superman's rocket spent thousands of years hurtling through space before it landed in Kansas.

>>80365563
I don't know if Zod even thought about taxation due to being a career-soldier rather than a politician. His race was in a state of total war anyway so all resources went towards the campaign against Kal-El.

>>80365381
Eh, that's a good point. But i feel like zod wanted "Normal" kryptonians for the sake of normal kryptonians. As if superman was a disgrace to >muh krypton.

>>80365615
What about if he succeeds? Zod is a careful planner. He was going to lead the new Krypton. He would have to pay for that war eventually. Pretty sure Zod would have a clear tax policy.

>>80365662
He's still a career-general and would most likely bloat the military budget to the point where New Krypton would buckle under the weight of the military industrial complex.

>>80365629

>But i feel like zod wanted "Normal" kryptonians for the sake of normal kryptonians.

Pretty much. Jor-El even calls him out on it in the prologue. Zod wanted to rebuild Krypton, but with only the people he deemed worthy of sharing it with him. He also wanted to be its leader, hence his insurrection. God powers, while nice, would be meaningless because all of his resurrected friends would have the same powers.

Basically "Space Hitler."

>>80365056

No he didn't lose his powers. He wasn't used to the atmosphere and it fucked him up a little but he wakes up later with his powers back while still on the ship

>>80365531
>Joke's on your MoS superman breathes in Earth's rich atmosphere or some shit

It's all of it combined

>Why am I so different from them?
>Earth's sun is younger and brighter than Krypton's was. Your cells have drunk in its radiation, strengthening your muscles, your skin, your senses. Earth's gravity is weaker, yet its atmosphere is more nourishing

Why are so many of the complaints from people who can't follow a simple plot?

>>80365328
Faora and the other dude already had super powers even in their suits, like Zod did. They would have adjusted fine.

Zack is just a Hack, like usual.

>>80365381
the only person able to get clark through it was his mum and her love

as faora said, they eliminated weak emotions like love on krypton

the kryptonians would all just spaz out and die at age 8

>>80365911
See>>80365920

>>80365598
bbbbig benis

>>80365911

Snyder-kun didn't write the script, don't blame that on him.

>>80365920
>power of love
Really, Zack?

>>80366125

Welcome to the oldest trope in movie history.

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>>80362980

Because this movie has plotholes as bad as Prometheus?

Because David S. Goyer needs to die in a fire?

>>80366148
>it's old and were used by other shitty movies without any sense - must be good

>>80366165
>Because this movie has plotholes as bad as Prometheus?

Such as?

>>80366174

No one said it's good, but faulting one movie for something that thousands of other movies have done before is just silly.

>>80366255
>b-but other movies are shitty too, why blame them for making another one?
Maybe because they have a fucking Superman in it and should put much more effort in the movie about iconic character?

>>80366255
It's still a fault no matter how many others have done it.

>>80366311

Superman 3, 4 and Returns would like to have a word with you.

Daily reminder that Zod did nothing wrong. He was 100% genetically designed to be the way he has. If the kryptonains didnt want a military uprising they shouldn't have put their citizens in such danger that their military leader (who is programmed to do what is best for krypton) had to stop them. Zod did NOTHING wrong and supes dad is a fucking pathetic pencil pushing cuckold

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>>80366184

The problem OP said.

Amy Adams being everywhere eventhough the movie doesn't need her.

His dad being a psychopath

1) The biggest life-lesson he is trying to inculcate his son with at every opportunity he gets is to never trust humans

2) When presented with a choice between saving a bus-load of screaming friends from drowning versus protecting his secret identity from humans that cannot physically harm him, Jonathan would choose to let all his friends die in a melodic echo.

3) Jonathan wants to teach his son about restraint: this is why he needlessly marches into a tornado to save a family member that can be replaced for 100$. His wife becomes a lonely widow and his son an emotionally scarred wandering vagabond, but he will have learned a valuable lesson: his dad was fucked-up.

So I guess the question is: why was his dad like this?

Also, You can’t put glasses on Clark Kent. This is no longer the 1940s. There's HD smartphones everywhere. Clark Kent didn't even do major changes with his hair to hide his identity. Why didn't WB/DC bother trying to put more emphasis on Clark's secret identity life?

Speaking of which, Zod's ship landed besides the Kent farm that one time. That will raise more suspicions about the Kent family.

Also, why did Clark think it was a good idea to ruin that guy's truck when the trucker himself can identify Clark's face and then report the vandalism to the cops?

>>80366165
>mfw people blame Snyder for MoS, even though his direction was superb.
Goyer needs to be strung up.

>>80366361
>these movies are bad, therefore this other movie is not!
?

>>80366392

On the surface, you're absolutely right. However, Zod was a product of Krypton's hubris and poisoned ideals. The Kryptonians were literally killing their own planet (while attempting to spread their ultimately negative influence onto other worlds), but too proud to do anything about it. Superman knew this, which is why he shouts "KRYPTON HAD ITS CHANCE" before trashing Zod's shit.

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>>80366409
It really is just the glasses, isn't it?

>>80365582
>My comic book movie about space aliens who look exactly like humans and get superpowers from the sun requires me to accept coincidences as fact

Zod starts making moves, Crowe decides to get Supes out immediately, they find a viable planet, and it happens to be Earth. Sure, he got lucky, but so what? It's Superman, not Pretty Average Seeming Just Don't Give Him a DNA Test Man

>>80366418

This. Dawn of the Dead proves that with a decent script, Snyder can be untouchable. He just gets saddled with bullshit 16th-draft scripts that get stapled to him by retarded producers.

>>80366473

>Superman has to take nerd training

Life is unfair.

>>80365381

That's ridiculous. How can you possibly have a society where everyone needs years of intensive coaching to cope with their Godlike abilities? Even if everyone were able to master the discipline and groundedness to handle the overstimulation, how could you possibly govern a society where everyone can fly, hurl boulders, fire lasers out of their eyes, and disable each other with the merest exposure to anything from their home planet?

Better to just kill the humans and rebuild Krypton.

>>80366552

This nigga gets it. Martha Kent even tells Clark about how often he almost died as a baby in his sleep just by breathing Earth's air. There's no way Zod could have realistically brought back all of Krypton's citizens in Earth's atmosphere with a 100% survival rate.

>>80366462
>wasn't even aware of all this happening and had no influence or role on krypton
>thinks he has the right to make that decision

Why is superman such an arrogant self righteous cunt? Oh it's because his arrogant fucking father thought he was so much better than everyone else so he had a natural born baby and passed on his smug genes to him. Zod did nothing wrong and was led astray by krypton's self serving leaders. We could have made krypton great again under military rule

>>80365328
Actually, Supes is the one who brings up his mom helping hin honing his senses when he fucks up Zods suit.
Did you not even see the movie? They literally have a fucking scene of Clarks mom guiding him to calm his senses.

Man of Steel isnt THAT good

But jesus are the reasons people find to dislike retarded

These "plot holes" are explained in single sentences


maybe these movies are too smart for people

>>80366409
You dont know what plot hole means so how can anyone respond to you

>>80366617

I think it's that the majority of people want to see Superman pull kittens out of trees and fumble with his glasses while muttering "G-g-gosh, Lois!" that get buttblasted over MoS trying something different for once.

>>80365124
If he was feeling pain, they could have conveyed that better

>>80366601

>wasn't even aware of all this happening and had no influence or role on krypton

He mocked Krypton's rulers in open court, calling them weak and ineffective. That's why Zod staged a coup d'etat. He even spits on them after getting arrested.

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>mfw Zod blows away that cunty kryptonian elder.
Loved the movie. Love Michael Shannon.

>>80366802

Michael Shannon took that trite dialogue and gave it some serious pathos. He doesn't get as much credit as he deserves.

>>80366698
I was talking about supes and his "krypton had its chance" line

>>80366886

Fair enough, but the whole "Zod did nothing wrong" meme is stale. The fact that you're an Earthling should tell you that Zod is not, and will never be, yo nigga.

>>80366409
>why was his dad like this?

Because he knew people would lose their collective shit the minute they found out he existed. Jonathan wanted Clark to be ready for the hatred and controversy towards his very existence. If you still don't get it, watch the final act ofMoS, then watch BvS. Then ask yourself this: "Would a young, naive, innocent Clark emotionally (or physically) survive any of this?"

>>80367007
Those guys at the oil rig sure did hate him.

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>>80367023
Your point is non-existant.

>>80366919
He literally did nothing wrong. The council essentially killed all of krypton and refused to do anything to save it when it came to crunch time. It was Zods job to kill them for being traitors. He wanted to start krypton over with more focused eugenics but supes dad sent the only hope of that off with his illegally born son to somewhere on the other side of the universe. Zod was literally just doing his job but self righteous, self hating, guilt ridden cuckolds made it impossible for him so he had every right to be angry

>>80366601
>idolizes planet that destroyed itself
>wants to make another one
>100% ready to kill every living thing on earth to do so
>did nothing wrong

What's trumps ass taste like?

>>80367007

And to be fair, they also go out of their way to show how Clark would deal with it. He reads Plato, he takes shit jobs, he knows what it is to be someone who ISN'T Superman before he ever puts on the suit. Hell, the fat ginger who bullies him as a kid ends up becoming his friend after the football team shoves him into that fence. Matter of fact, now that I think about it, every time someone in the movie gives Clark shit, there's someone there who's also nice to him. Kinda shows why Superman wants to give humanity a chance - we can be fucking shit, but we can also be fucking cool.

>>80367023

The oil rig guys gave him shit because he was a n00b. "Greenhorn" is not a term of endearment. Hell, a random dude pulls him out of harm's way on the ship because Clark didn't realize that he was in "harm's way" - the audience knows that hundreds of pounds of iron landing on Clark won't hurt him, but his crew doesn't. To them, he's just an idiot who can't pay attention.

>>80367089
I'm saying the people he saved who saw his face didn't get on national television saying he was literally Satan.

>>80367189
>To them, he's just an idiot who can't pay attention.
I think you may have slightly missed the point here.

Because Snyder is a fucking hack.

>>80367226

How so?

>>80367260

>blaming Zack Snyder, one of the few working directors with a strong distinct visual style for the story that David Goyer, a guy who made his start writing a Jean-Claude Van Damme movies wrote

Learn 2 Hollywood, m8.

>>80367275
Superman. Super human. Saving people. Do people hate him after he saved them? That's the point here, not what happened while they thought he was still just some dude.

>>80367312
Jean-Claude Van Damme movies are fucking abysmal, what the fuck are you smoking.

>>80367320

In BvS, the BILLIONS of people on Earth who were saved after the events of MoS were divided down the middle. It sucks that Metropolis got wrecked, sure. No one's arguing that. But if 5,000 people had to die (through no fault of Superman's own) in order to save 7 billion? It's a shitty situation, but overall Superman did the right thing.

>>80367312
Zack is responsible for being whore who doesn't give a shit about script since it will bring him money. But I assume he is just a spineless cuck who was forced by his cunt wife

>>80367156
>idolizes planet that destroyed itself

He very clearly placed the blame (and rightfully so) on the council that he said wasted too much time talking and not doing

He said he would start again with better bloodlines, presumably ones that aren't focused on pointless philosophical debate

If supes dad didn't sabotage the uprising that was supposed to be happening by law, he would have found the nearest suitable planet to terraform. Its only because supes dad decided to be a fuckwit and send away the entire kryptonian genome to an alien planet that zod chose earth. He spent too long in space jail and couldn't waste any more time (like the council) rebuilding his people.

You are literally a cuck with a beta mindset if you believe he was wrong for trying to rebuild his world after dog shit politicians and heathens destroyed and sat idly by while it happened

>>80367341

Reading comprehension. David Goyer wrote Death Warrant, a trainwreck of a movie starring a visibly coked-out JCVD. David Goyer also wrote Man of Steel. People who blame Man of Steel's script on Zack Snyder, such as >>80367260 are the real idiots here.

It's like getting angry at a painter because the canvas is rough around the edges.

>>80367394

Yeah, but if Superman hadn't been on Earth in the first place, Zod never would have come. Keep in mind that your average Earthling doesn't know the whole backstory; they just know that Zod came looking for an alien hiding out on Earth and was ready to kill everybody. Nice of Superman to save the planet, but it never would have been in danger if he hadn't been around.

>>80367457

You're also blaming a baby for unwittingly ending up where it did.

>>80367394
>were saved
From danger bringed by Superman himself. Top lel.

One of the most horrible things which Hack did to Superman - he made him lcruse to the planet. Superman is literally responsible for every bad thing happened in MoS and BvS

>>80367498
Superman is responsible for not stoping Zod right after ultimatum

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>>80364952
Because to Zod, building a new Krypton and recreating old Krypton are the same thing, and like he said:

"A foundation has to be built on something."

If you want to know what that statement means, it's that he's got more than colonization in mind. He intends to use the World Engine to literally rebuild Krypton, and to do that, he needs more than just a handy planet, more than an active core and the natural electromagnetic radiation shield that comes with it, more than just water, even. No, to truly rebuild Krypton, he needs all these and one thing more:

He needs biomass.

It usd to bother me that the survivor of such an advanced society would consider so horrible a thing, but then I came to understand that, at least to Zod and his followers, their birth program is more than just science.

It's very much like a religion.

That's why he has no qualms about showing Clark a vision where humanity is dead and gone. There's no horror in that for Zod, only the glorious resurrection of his world. We're less than nothing to him, so is Clark for that matter. Why? Simple. Because we're not part of the program. The Kryptonian Codex has no use for us save as fodder. To him, we don't just live amidst squalor, we are part of it.

What does the word "Codex" mean again?

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/codex

That's right. We don't count because we're not part of his "book." Neither was Clark, the child born of heresy.

>>80367451
But Man of Steel is also shit. As is Watchmen. All style and zero substance.

>>80367503

Superman didn't bring the danger you mong, Zod did. Did you watch the movie, or just read the Wikipedia entry?

>Superman is literally responsible for every bad thing happened in MoS and BvS

Superman didn't try to terraform Earth, Superman didn't openly threaten humanity on every conceivable form of media, Superman didn't try to kill American soldiers, Superman didn't kill Bruce Wayne's parents, Superman didn't shoot Jimmy Olsen in the head, Superman didn't make Perry White a bitter asshole, Superman didn't create Doomsday through genetic engineering, Superman didn't make Batman have visions of Darkseid.

Superman didn't even have anything to do with Lex Luthor until Luthor decided to be a dick about the whole thing.

>>80367541

He tried though. Remember, Superman was de-powered on Zod's ship and completely at his mercy. Once Superman finally got his powers back after escaping, Zod and his cronies were curb-stomping the shit out of him.

>>80367642
You sound like you're emotionally invested in the character beyond that of which is normally considered sane.

Are you infact a faggot?

>>80367599

This response is as dismissively auto-generated as yours.

>>80367688

>emotionally invested in the character

We're talking about movies, right? Isn't that kind of the point of watching these things? If that makes me a faggot, all I can say is that it's better than being a retard.

>>80367673
He shouldn't be on the ship in the first place. He should stop Zod before landing. But he let him and his crew do all the shit which caused thousands of deaths and billions of property damage.

>>80367749
Emotionally invested is fine, but not to the point of obsession.

You have no right to be dictating to other people the finer points of narrative you addled idiot. Your sense of judgment is compromised.

>>80367773

>He should stop Zod before landing.

He tried. He surrendered himself to Zod to spare everyone, but Zod wanted to be a genocidal asshole about the whole deal.

>But he let him and his crew do all the shit which caused thousands of deaths and billions of property damage.

Superman didn't LET them do anything. You're talking about a one-on-many fight. Every time Superman got the upper hand, one of the other Kryptonians slapped his shit.

>>80367816

Good counterpoint, Robocop.

Why didn't Zod terraform the moon or Venus?
It seems a bit dumb to terraform a place that gives you superpowers when you can live just fine on said planet.

>>80367848
You call me robocop, but you know i'm right.

Difference between me and you is that I get to choose. It's a sign of emotional maturity, kid.

If we all got sensitive over everything none of us would be capable of even moving through being paralyzed with emotional pain.

>>80367828
>He surrendered himself to Zod to spare everyone
>Not asking his kryptonian father what kind of person Zod is and how to stop him, but letting Zod cought you and kill thousands
Well, he is a fucking retard then.

>>80367849

Because Zod swore vengeance on Jor-El's son, Kal-El. It made more sense for a proud piece of shit like Zod to not only kill Jor-El's son, but to also take Kal-El's planet for himself.

>>80367498

I just chimed into the conversation, so I don't know what other people have been arguing. My point that:

>Keep in mind that your average Earthling doesn't know the whole backstory; they just know that Zod came looking for an alien hiding out on Earth and was ready to kill everybody.

remains. You're expecting people to act like they know something that no one has ever even tried to tell them.

>>80367887

>not asking his Kryptonian father
You mean the expository computer simulation who actually isn't his dad?

>>80367879
And yet here you are, trying to make things that were logically explained in the context of their story seem unreasonable. Time to prioritize your life choices, friend.

>>80367930
A better dad than Pa "Silence of the Horses" Kent.

>>80367890
Why didn't he just enslave earth's populace and kill Superman? I mean a planet that gives you superpoers is a very valuable resource, no matter how you put it.

>>80367901

If you watched a news report where one guy openly states his desire to kill 7 billion people, another guy fights him over it and wins (and only a few thousand die in the contest) and give the second guy shit over it? That's kinda odd, no?

>>80367930
>You mean the expository computer simulation who actually isn't his dad?
What does it have to do with that? He could get info, he didn't and thousands of people have died. He choosed to visit useles preist to ask if humanity even matter to be saved instead.

>>80367930
Nah m8, this is where your impaired judgment is coming in again.

It's your perspective that is unreasonable, not the story - which is really rather mediocre.

>>80367944

Pa Kent's "horses" scene, while admittedly tonally out of place, still resonates with his character from Man of Steel. You can be the hero, but no matter what you do, there will be consequences. Saving the day for someone just might fuck the day up for someone else. Especially when you have the power to turn the entire planet to dust.

>>80368008

And still, a lack of explanation.

>>80367969

Because, as Zod's vision of the pile of skulls illustrates, humanity had no place in Zod's plans. He didn't want super powers, he wanted things back the way they were before he got banished to the Phantom Zone.

>>80367992

>He could get info, he didn't and thousands of people have died.

He got all of the info he possibly could from an artificial intelligence, and still had to work with it.

>He choosed to visit useles preist to ask if humanity even matter to be saved instead.

He asked the priest if he should surrender himself to Zod. The priest said "I can't make that decision for you." Superman did what he thought was right - kinda like what Superman does.

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Man Zod was great. I didn't have a problem with Lex jr, but I can understand others having one. I really hope Snyder can do a better job like he did with Zod for the next villain.

>>80368031
> you have impaired judgment.
> but what's wrong with it?

If your judgment wasn't impaired maybe you'd be able to tell.

Here's a hint - take the protagonist out of the picture.

>>80367981

If a message popped up on the television saying that an alien was hiding on the planet, and they'll kill us all if we don't turn him over, some classified shit happens that no one really knows the details, but next thing there's a nuke blast blocking out the sunlight, Metropolis is getting destroyed along with the entire world, and I'd probably be thinking "fuck aliens".

Even afterwards, when he pops up every once in a while saving some kid falling off a balcony or whatever, there'd still be a really big part of me thinking that we might've been better off before we got sucked into whatever galactic drama's been going on. It's not like Superman ever gave press conferences or explained himself, and I doubt the US military was very forthcoming about their encounter with him.

>>80362980
Why didn't Zod and his crew just raise their kids on earth?

>>80368141
>He got all of the info he possibly could from an artificial intelligence, and still had to work with it.
Lies. He haven't asked about Zod and ways to stop him. He just surrendered himself and all bad things happened to Earth because of that.

>>80367575
Absolute kinopost.

>>80368193

>a Superman story without Superman

Makes sense to me, chief.

>>80368221

Since when has Superman done press conferences? And on top of that, the "Galactic drama" was never Superman's fault. He got dragged into a conflict that was raging before he was born.

>I doubt the US military was very forthcoming about their encounter with him.

The last thing the US military was forthcoming with was the Cold War ending.

>>80362980
Tell that to Zod's snapped neck

>>80368234

>Zod says "Surrender the alien" and I will leave you alone.
>the "Alien" surrenders himself and Zod still runs rampant

Trying to pin Zod being an asshole on Superman seems to be where 99% of MoS's arguments come from.

>>80368292
> he can't look at the story without his mary-sue jesus analogy being part of it.

This is why your judgment is impaired.

>>80368347

>mary-sue jesus analogy

Are you new to Superman? You might want to sit down before doing any research.

>>80368347
Have you ever seen "The Life of Brian"?

If not, you should. If you still need anything spelled out for you after that, I am truly, truly sorry.

>>80368403
Question: who is the Dickus of the DCEU?

>>80368431
General Swanwick.

>>80368292
>And on top of that, the "Galactic drama" was never Superman's fault. He got dragged into a conflict that was raging before he was born.

Once again you dense fuck, no one knows that. You act like the people on Earth in the DCEU have seen the movie Man of Steel. Try to pretend that you're a plumber in Metropolis. Your tv and your phone flicker with a message from aliens saying that there is an alien being harbored on Earth and he needs to turn himself in or everyone dies. Vague reports that the military's got him, and he goes with the aliens. Here's where you have to really think hard about it, okay?

The people of Earth don't have cameras on the space ship. They didn't hear Zod's plan. They don't know why Superman fled the ship. What they do know, is that suddenly the aliens are back on Earth fighting. One nuke in the sky later, alien tech is destroying the planet while an alien battle is wrecking Metropolis.

Do you understand? The people on Earth didn't get to see Man of Steel in the theaters. They weren't on the spaceship. They don't know how, when, and why Superman is came to Earth. They learned that there was an alien right when other aliens came to Earth willing to destroy it to find him. Metropolis got trashed, loads of people died, the aliens were killed, and the guy they came for is now a guardian angel type. You still don't really know anything about him, and he's not explaining himself, or answering any really basic questions, like "what's the deal with life outside Earth?"

Instead, we've got this seemingly friendly, handsome guy we know nothing about except that he has Godlike power to the point that our strongest weapons barely phase him, and every once in a while he'll save a kid from a fire or rescue a journalist in Africa. What if you're a Russian? What do you make of this American God?

It makes perfect sense that there would be some people who think this whole alien thing is more trouble than it was worth.

Why was the "phantom zone" just another boring black spaceship? The 1970s Superman had a very unearthly almost mystical vibe to it; Krypton's post-mechanical appearance, plus Brando's performance, really gave the impression that Superman came from a race of truly alien, almost godlike beings.

Zack Snyder's vision of this doomed race looks like a gloomy PS3 cut-scene with the impending death of civilisation shown in the crudest possible way - fucking volcanoes - and with Russell Crowd riding a dragon. Anyone who says MoS is "kino" needs their head (and ass) examined

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>>80368453
He acts like that because I fear he might actually be riding the spectrum somewhere.

>>80368453

Likewise, you cock-throttling-drama-queen, did you watch Batman v Superman? Have you watched any of the interviews with Snyder? Your morally superior quandaries have been adressed and then some. As far as the DCEU is concerned, Superman is NOT the awesome boyscout that our pop culture portrays him as. He hasn't earned that yet.

>>80368524
>Have you watched any of the interviews with Snyder?
I did. He is so fucking dumb it's not even funny.
Other anon.

>>80368524

What morally superior quandaries? You said that Superman did the right thing if you think about it; I agreed and pointed out that the people of Earth never heard enough about what happened to come to that conclusion; and your response was that I'm blaming a baby for being sent to Earth? Or you think that's a quandary?

Are you genuinely retarded? I liked both of the movies, and I never said either that I didn't or that Superman did the wrong thing. Just that you can't judge the people of Earth as though they know stuff that they have no way of knowing. If you think that's a moral quandary or that that's trying to blame Superman for being on Earth, then you should honestly never speak about a movie to anyone, and maybe not watch anything more complicated than Adam West's Batman.

>>80368513
>saved.jpg

I'm inclined to agree. I was starting to wonder if I was insane. . .