I just watched this movie. I quite liked it. What did you guys

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It's not as good as the TV series because it doesn't have tachikomas. Remake will only be good if it has tachikomas.

I'm not smart enough to understand it.

Watched the dub twice and the sub once, and I still don't get it.

>>80361206
I didn't even know there was a series. I'll check that out.

>>80361227
I'm not sure if I understand it either. From what I can gather, there are themes of the nature of life and evolution.

Just watched it last night. It was literally "babby's first animu" for me. I've never watched anything animated. At least not since I was a child.

Shit was awesome. Anything else I have to see?

>>80361367
Howl's Moving Castle

>>80361367
I only dabble in anime, but most of Gibli's work is good. Akira is really good. That's about it off the top of my head.

>>80361419
Shit, totally forgot about this. My wife made me watch this, I think... or maybe it was Kiki's Delivery Service.

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>>80361367
Patlabor series.

Satoshi Kon's work.

All anime is trash. Not to mention the movie itself is horribly outdated.
The remake will literally do everything better in every way.

>>80361227
>>80361286
GitS has a ton of thematic content in it, which combined with the strong characters makes it one of my favorite movies (and one of the best of all time).

The big overarching theme concerns evolution, and how the next step in human evolution is to become the human/AI hybrid that the Major turns into at the end of the film.

It's not a given that AI will ever truly be achieved, but it is almost universally accepted that such a thing would be to humans what we are to bacteria.

The movie wants you to ask questions like: who will the androids of tomorrow admire more, Yuri Gagarin or Sputnik

>>80361509
I know this is bait, but the animation is literally beautiful. I've stayed away from anime for years for no real reason but was blown away by GITS.

>>80361509
From the marketing, it looks like the adaption has nothing to do with the themes of the original.

I'm excited to see Scarlett Johansen in the suit though.

Movie is great, a crowning achievement in the history of animation. I absolutely could not stand the TV show though (way, WAY too much techno babble, endless exposition and literally speaking every single thought, and the talking tanks are annoying as fuck). I really don't care about the new movie at all, barely feel any urge to even pirate it.

>>80361509
t. avi arad

>>80361494
I'm gunna be that guy

Satoshi Kon's films are above average, but they're not amazing.

>>80361598
Paranoia agent is his best work, but that's an entire series

I don't know what it is about it is about Paprika but I fucking hate that movie.

>>80361367
Anything by Miyazaki

Once you've seen some of his best work (Spirited Away, Howl's Moving Castle, Princess Mononoke, etc), check out these:
Cowboy Bebop
Gurren Lagann
Neon Genesis Evangelion
Samurai Champloo
Fullmetal Alchemist

Animation is fantastic but honestly I was kinda underwhelmed with the story and characters and thought there was too much exposition. Maybe it was because I watched the dub I dunno

>>80361286
Here's the ewatch order since it's confusing.

GitS (not GitS 2.0, that's worse) > GitS 2: Innocence >> Stand Alone Complex > Stand Alone Complex 2nd GIG > Solid State Society >> Arise movies (which nobody cares about)

Everything else is a summarised worse version.

>>80361629
TTGL is probably the best anime I've seen. Is NGE actually any good? I thought it was just a meme.

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>>80361227
I never finished the movie when I was a teenager because it was normally only showing in cable with that horribly dub sound mix. Seriously it turned me off from animu for a few years because I couldn't hear clearly half of the dialogue.

Years later I finally watched it and it was cool but I was generally unimpressed, seemed kind of quaint but nothing special. Now I feel it was a missed opportunity not to have seen it back when I was younger

>>80361691
yes, it is.

there's a lot of controversy around it because >contrarians, but regardless of your take on it, NGE is definitely worth your time.

>>80361691
It was the best the genre had to offer back when it came out, but it's just not timely anymore. You can sort of say that Gurren Lagann is kind of the repeal/replace of NGE

>>80361509
[super rub a dub intensifies]

>>80361419
My Neighbor Totoro > Kiki's Delivery Service > Whisper of the Heart > Ponyo > Princess Mononoke > The Tale of Princess Kaguya > Spirited Away > The Wind Rises > Porco Rosso > The Cat Returns > When Marnie Was There > Castle in the Sky > Grave of the Fireflies > Pom Poko > From Up on Poppy Hill > Howl's Moving Castle > Arrietty > Tales from Earthsea > Only Yesterday > My Neighbors the Yamadas

>>80361628
I still gotta watch Paranoia Agent, but I've seen all of Kon's films and Paprika was suuuper overrated. It's the only one that I'd say was straight up bad.

Tokyo Godfathers was nice in a feel-good way, Perfect Blue was genuinely thrilling, Millennium Actress is very good, and Dream Machine is also good - but none of them were anything revolutionary. Perfect Blue is probably the only one I'd recommend in order to show someone that animation can be used to make an effective horror film - but even then, there are better choices

>>80361691
TTGL is the kind of sort of the answer to NGE if that makes sense

Also it's my favorite anime of all time and I think it's better than NGE, but you should watch NGE anyways
They're both interesting twists on the giant mecha genre

>went to see Logan
>trailer for ScarJo in the Shell comes on
>no audience reaction at all
>dead silence as the trailer ends
>suddenly someone loudly says "Wow... that looks like shit!"
>entire room bursts into laughter

It's going to be a bigger budget Lucy. Might do well in Chinatown, but otherwise it's going to be a bomb

>>80361788
NGE was a deconstruction of the tropes present in Gundam and the giant robots genre in general. Gurren Lagann is a reconstruction of those tropes. I think that both are vital to the genre as a whole. And both are good in their own right.

>>80361838
>Perfect Blue was genuinely thrilling
Yes, god tier animu right there.

>>80361691
>>80361876
TTGL is a shadow of NGE. It's not even fair to TTGL to compare it to NGE, they're not even in the same sport - let alone ballpark

>>80361820
Was it autism?

>>80361883
From the marketing, it looks like it's got nothing to do with the original except setting.

ScarJo in the suit looks good I guess.

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>>80361899
yeah, sure I can agree with that, that was my point.

>>80361899
>Deconstruction
What a fucking meme, no thanks, I'll pass.

>>80361820


The Yamadas were superb in their own right I don't believe they should belong on the list.

Also, Pom Poko is the fucking best there's no way it's below the Wind Rises, but it is definitely at par with Porco Rosso.

>>80361919
they are because one is a reaction to the other

>>80361943
It's a good show on its own, man. I'd tell you to check it out.

>>80361367

You're going to love the Cowboy Bebop series.

I just watched Ghost in the shell: Innocence and i thought it was trash compared to the first one. It didn't even feel like it was in the same universe.

>>80361931
>he can't rank all the Studio Ghibli movies

>>80361951
I rewatched Pom Poko recently and I stand by my ranking. it's mid-tier, worth watching but nothing special. Only great scene is the ghost parade.

>>80361102
watched it the first time years ago on tv because I liked motoko's eyes. Stayed because I liked the animation, but never understood the whole story (I was like 8 probably)

I really want to watch it again, but at the same time, I don't. I know I'm not going to like it

>>80362026
I was going to check it out. I'll get back to you tomorrow if the thread is still up.

Doubt it though.

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>>80361367
>Somebody who likes GitS should like:
Jin-Roh: The Wolf Brigade
Patlabor: The Movie
Patlabor 2: The Movie
Memories: Magnetic Rose
Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
Psycho-Pass (first season)
Royal Space Force: The Wings of Honnêamise
Blue Submarine No. 6
Planetes
Texhnolyze
Akira

>Misc. recs you should enjoy
The Castle of Cagliostro
Mushishi
Redline
The Tatami Galaxy
Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust

>>80362038
Why wouldn't you like it?

It's just easily digestible yet entertaining "muh descartes" high concept sci-fi/philosophy shit with really nice animation, what's not to like?

>>80361970
If the guy who framed the Mona Lisa also framed my college lecture doodles, it wouldn't make my doodles an artsy reaction to the Mona Lisa.

NGE is art. TTGL is just an animated mecha show

>>80362027
sorry I don't watch nipshit, fuck off weeb

>>80361838
>Dream Machine is also good - but none of them were anything revolutionary
Overplayed your bluff a little there.

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>>80361367

>I've never watched anything animated

As you watch more Japanese animation, don't forget to watch based French films.

>>80362147
Shh don't ruin it for other people

>>80362106
TTGL is the best animated mecha show of all time

They're both art, just because one is deconstructionist and the other just uses mecha as a regular narrative plot device doesn't make it not art

>>80361820
move totoro down a few
move marnie up a few and only yesterday up a lot
otherwise its good

>>80361838
>>80361908
my fuckin' niggers

That movie raped my mind for like two days.

>>80362106
I don't think that TTGL is just an animated mecha show. It was a direct reaction to NGE's breaking down of the mecha genre.

>>80362203
la planete sauvage is pure kino

>>80362232
>>80362299
Even assuming that TTGL merits the "art" label, which I disagree with, but assuming it does - it's nothing revolutionary like NGE. It's not doing anything that hadn't been already by Yoshiyuko Tomino in Gundam or Ideon.

And what cause the animation is smooth? Akira has animation that today still looks out of the world impressive. Doesn't make it a work of art, it's actually a pretty meh movie.

It's Satoshi Kon tier

>>80362106
not a good example, but there's a specific comparison to be made between let's say an impressionistic painting in contrast to the same object being painted by an expressionist.

So this being the mecha genre, NGE are kind of a perfect contrast because they still keep most of the same storytelling tropes in both cases. It's not an accident, the same studio animated both series

>>80362203
>>80361367
prepare your body
https://youtu.be/Lt1FrOSYJ4g

>>80361367
Just remembered, FLCL is pretty good.

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>>80361938
>in the suit

>>80362441
So running along the vein of the impressionist vs expressionist arena you brought up: my favorite artist is Paul Gauguin, who was post-impressionist. He said, "all art is revolution or imitation."

My argument would be that sure, maybe you can elevate TTGL above stuff like Naruto (which I think is the level it belongs at), but ultimately it's nothing revolutionary. It doesn't do anything that hadn't already been done with Gundam back in 1979

What makes NGE revolutionary isn't the mecha storyline. It has nothing do with the Mechs vs Monsters plot. NGE is revolutionary because of its themes, characters, dialogue and the ability of the animators to convey extremely complicated themes on a shoestring animation budget. And I know that animation team includes Imaishi, who was integral in NGE's development, but that doesn't automatically elevate TTGL to the same playing field.

>>80361820
>omitting nausicaa

bruh

>>80362714
It's not Ghibli. If I include it it's somewhere in the middle.

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>What did you guys think?
Anti art garbage
>Also, what do you guys think about the remake coming out?
Chances are it will be better

>>80362747
>Somewhere in the middle
Why so low?

>>80362793
Strong competition.

>>80362760
Why do you call it anti art?

>>80362747
fair enough.

>>80362648
Why weren't Star Wars space battles like this? This makes flying in Space a horrid place to be in.

>>80362886
Star Wars is for children

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>>80362329
Who should play Lil Slugger in the film adaptation?

>>80362886
Star Wars is a fun space adventure.

This is something else entirely.

>>80361102
The original movie is a classic and a legitimately good film.
I don't have a good feeling about the remake, but I don't really have a life right now so I'll see it at the end of the month.

>>80362483
Imagine being the Puppet Master in that scene and having to be all like "damn, Motoko Kusanagi, you fuckin' fine, all sexy with your flabby body and horrific androgynous monster face. I would totally merge my consciousness with you, both my ghost and the real me." when all he really wants to do is hack another loli sexbot in the red light district. Like seriously imagine having to be the Puppet Master and not only sit in that chair while Kusanagi flaunts her disgusting body in front of you, the favorable lighting barely concealing her stretchmarks and doughy skin, and just sit there, take after take, hour after hour, while she perfected that stance. Not only having to tolerate her monstrous fucking visage but her haughty attitude as everyone on set tells her she's STILL GOT IT and DAMN, KUSANAGI LOOKS LIKE *THAT*?? because they're not the ones who have to sit there and watch her mannish fucking gremlin face contort into types of grimaces you didn't even know existed before that day. You've been hacking nothing but a healthy diet of foreign diplomats and politicians and later Section 9 staff for your ENTIRE CAREER coming straight out of the boonies in Section 6. You've never even seen anything this fucking disgusting before, and now you swear you can taste the sweat that's breaking out on her dimpled stomach as she sucks it in to writhe it suggestively at you, smugly assured that you are enjoying the opportunity to get paid to sit there and merge with her "Rubenesque (for that is what she calls herself)" beauty, the beauty she worked so hard for with personal trainers in the previous months. And then the Minister of Foreign Affairs calls for another hacking, and you know you could kill every single person in this room before the cyberpolice could shut you down, but you sit there and endure, because you're the fucking Puppet Master. You're not going to lose your future ghost over this. Just bear it. Hide your face and bear it.

>>80362684
what I'm saying is that what makes TTGL good are not only the production values but also the themes. You're partially right to say TTGL doesn't do anything that Gundam hadn't already done, ok but the point is that what it's doing goes beyond Gundam because it's a reaction to the reaction which was NGE. It's not dialing back the genre, it's moving past it's counter.

NGE is notable for being the contrary to the convention of the genre, but it's still the oposite end, TTGL is an attempt to integrate both, so of course it isn't anything "new" but it is distinct from both.

>>80362760
That's not even the same shot, or a scene exclusive to that movie.

>>80362404
Yes, because the animation is REALLY good and on top of that it also has good characters and neat metaphors in the story and good overall themes
it's just a well rounded, solid anime that comparatively is better than any other standard mecha anime

Honestly, in the case of just raw animation talent, as someone who has dabbled in 2d animation I think it's among the best anime i've ever seen
The keyframes during the really active and fluid scenes and how they play with parallax/field of distance stuff is so fucking impressive. and the entire ending bit gets really creative with the animation too

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>>80362918
Robert Downey Jr

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>>80362478
>>80362203
>>80361367

Fire and Ice and Heavy Metal

>>80363005
My counter argument would be that just because something looks really good, that doesn't mean it's actually good.

There's a reason why "muh graphics" is a whole thing on /v/

>>80362975
I totally 100% see what you're saying, and I agree with the vast majority of it. I would just contend that TTGL is to NGE what Naurto is to Dragonball.

Naruto is it's own thing, it's distinct from Dragonball. Yu-gi-oh is it's own thing, it's distinct from Pokemon. Bleach is it's own thing, it's distinct from Yu Yu Hakusho. But they are shadows of their betters

>>80363151
Thank you Ralph Bakshi

>>80362079
A near theater is going to show it really soon. Would provably go there, but I dont think GITS is a movie to watch with an audience

>>80362648
Astra Militarum.webm

>>80363258
Definitely not a movie to see in theaters with mongoloids and their noisy wrappers and leg spasms

>>80363685
Where's that from? That's some freaky deaky shit.

>>80363720
Magnetic Rose

>>80363720

"Memories", an anthology movie

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>>80363720
Magnetic Rose, part of Memories (1995).

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>it's a "/tv/ does a better job discussing anime than /a/" episode

everytime.

>>80363796
Boards usually get tired of discussing the most popular stuff in their medium.

>>80363796
And why is that anyway? Do they have a bias against older stuff?

>>80361102
it's a cult classic for a reason
don't like scarjo's casting besides that it looks like a pretty typical hollywood action/revenge plot movie

>>80363860
There's probably been too many of these over at /a/.

>>80363860
they autistically screech if you dont talk 24/7 about the latest moe garbage aired on japan.

>>80363860

Because we're tourists and they are prisoners.

It's like going to /v/ and saying "Hey guys, I just found out about this game called Deus Ex, let's talk about it!"

>>80363860
/a/ usually discusses seasonal releases or threads about all anime in general.
They still have good threads about older shows but you're not gonna find people with the enthusiasm to talk about Cowboy Bebop at length, it's all been said.

/tv/ is sort of the same. If I made a thread about Kagemusha it would get 6 replies and everybody would want to talk about his other movies.

>>80364006

Well said.

how come no one ever suggests gunbuster. its literally tits.

>>80363860
Everything that could be said about your entry level chinese cartoon has already been said by them

>>80363860
they are too elitist to admit that something might be good just because it's popular or well known

>>80361102
As far as robo-chick movies its decent, but the Armitage III movie is better.

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>>80364042
Gunbuster is great and this motherfucker is GOAT character

>>80362926

Logh is...not fun, as such. So fucking good though.

>>80362074
>Doesn't even recommend Lain

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>>80361102
>Also, what do you guys think about the remake coming out?

I was willing to give it a chance despite my unease with the whole thing.

ScarJo playing the Major? Ok whatever fine.

Not adapting the manga, and instead re-adapting an adaptation and mixing it with another adaptation? (essentially making a copy of a copy) fucking bullshit, but fuck it, I guess I'll deal.

Changing the Majors name from Motoko Kusanagi to "Mira Dick Cheney Bush Smith" is the straw that broke the camels back for me.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jafd97yJFOI

>>80361951
>>80362027

Pom Poko isn't the absolute best, but it's easily the most underrated Ghibli. It's the craziest and most complex film of the lot, which surprised me considering I expected it to be much more mundane than it was.

>>80363768
Stink Bomb was shit.

>>80366918
>(essentially making a copy of a copy)

Implying this isn't exactly the intention thematically.

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>>80361102
Ghost in The Shell was part of my childhood,

>>80362074
I couldn't get past the first few minutes of Psycho-Pass. Looked like generic trash with edgy characters.

>>80369126
>generic
There's that word again. When you don't like something about anime and can't explain why, just call it "generic" (and trash--always trash). As if shows like Psycho-Pass were a dime a dozen.

>>80369126
That was my first thought my first go around. I was more determined to see why people liked it the second time I watched it. I was surprised by how much depth they put into it. The first few episodes don't give the rest of the first season justice.

>>80369126
It definitely picks up. Season 2 is a disaster though, and the movie is just decent.

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>mfw Motoko has been replaced by an immigrant named Mira
>mfw Motoko is dead
>mfw Kuze is alive to tell her this
>mfw she literally goes to Motoko's grave in the movie

This is why no one likes the Jews, they always have to self-insert as persecuted immigrants.

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>>80361367

>>80361227
Story is never the strong point of anime

>>80369861
Except when it is.

>>80361883
I've never been in a theater where there was audible audience reaction to a trailer

>>80369818
Surprised that there are still some shows worth watching. But there cant be shit if haibane renmei is also on it.
perhaps in over 1 and a half year i watch another anime.

>>80361102
OP, I just bought GITS and GITS 2 after having seen neither for well over a decade. I remember not liking them at the time because I was young and stupid, however, watching them back-to-back, I really appreciated the philosophical/existential aspects of their stories.

I just hope the live action movie touches upon that, even just a bit.

I also bought GITS The New Movie, Wal-mart has been selling all three lately, and haven't seen anything of Stand Alone Complex or Arise. Really like TNM although it doesn't have the touch that Mamoru Oshii brought to the first two movies.

It also feels like a reboot of the series in order to get the Major back in since she's the object of geekboy cock frothing. I wish Oshii could have got a third movie made that was a true continuation of Innocence.

The live action movie? Eh. I'll see it but the PG-13 rating and Scar-jo doesn't do anything for me. The Director and screenwriters also don't inspire confidence.

I wish some insane billionaire could have financed a GITS live action film with Gaspar (Enter the Void) Directing and Alex (Ex Machina) Garland and Charlie (Black Mirror) Brooker scripting.

Now THAT would be something to get excited about!!!FACT!!! https://youtu.be/q0z08OpmEPc
https://youtu.be/3IGTiFuDjTI

>>80370190
that's the weird thing though, people were always going on about how philosophical the franchise is and yet after watching it the philosophical stuff is minimal and misses out on a lot of cues to bring some interesting theory into it. Often the case with anime, it just isn't that insightful and has the most rudimentary grasp of philosophical concepts. The animatrix has a ton more insights and theory in itthan GitS.

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>>80363211
Fritz the Cat for me!!!FACT!!!

>>80370175
There are shows worth watching every season.

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Oh and Sonoya Mizuno, from Ex Machina, should be playing the Major!!!FACT!!!

>>80370190
You should watch Patlabor 2 specifically if you haven't already.
>>80370301
Except this season.

>>80370375
>Patlabor 2

I'll check it out.

>>80370190
>I just hope the live action movie touches upon that, even just a bit.

NOPE

https://thenerdsofcolor.org/2017/03/10/ghost-in-the-shell-worse/

>>80361227
Same

But the music was cool

>>80370395
Ideal watch order is Patlabor: The Early Days OVA > 1 > 2.
They're all good but 2 is prime Oshii.

>>80361551
The animation in GitS is terribly. The only bit I remember is a shot of two guys standing in an elevator facing away from the camera. They were completely static for their entire conversation. I've never seen anything so visually boring and lazy.

>>80370375
>Except this season.
Akiba's Trip, Gabriel DropOut, Kemono Friends, Kobayashi-san, KonoSuba S2, Little Witch Academia, Rakugo S2 and Youjo Senki are shows from this season that I'm watching and would rate highly.

>>80361367
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5DAohvyTPE

https://youtu.be/IloHK6qT-Ag
>The entire shot completely still for long periods of time except for their mouths that don't even sync to their dialogue properly

Holy fucking shit. Japanimation is hideous wtf is this. I thought film was supposed to be a visual medium. This is disgusting. Unwatchable. How embarrassing

https://youtu.be/pk33dTVHreQ
Western animation is objectively better in literally every way and you can't meme otherwise.

>>80370546
ANIME ETERNALLY BTFO

>>80370546
Visual medium doesn't mean the same thing as movement. There are also live action movies where the actors don't move or have very minimal movements.

https://sakugabooru.com/post/show/4283
https://sakugabooru.com/post/show/6805
https://sakugabooru.com/post/show/16544
https://sakugabooru.com/post/show/6807

Western animation is objectively inferior.

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>>80370440
>Akiba's Trip, Gabriel DropOut, Kemono Friends, Kobayashi-san, KonoSuba S2,
Jesus.
>Little Witch Academia
Sadly the series is so bland and inconsequential.
>Rakugo
Granted. I don't normally watch shows for women though.

At least next season has Rage of Bahamut: Virgin Soul and two Masaaki Yuasa movies.

>>80361820
Spirited Away is the only good one on this list

>>80370546
anime fans aren't known for good taste

>>80370670
>Jesus.
Yes? What's the problem?

>Granted. I don't normally watch shows for women though.
What does it matter what the original target demographic is?

>>80370698
Taste is a meme.

>>80370546
>This is disgusting. Unwatchable. How embarrassing
I just imagined Donald Trump critiquing animé like this and made myself kek.

>>80370707
Generic moeshit and ecchi.

Hey, I said granted. I'm just not interested. Princess Jellyfish was decent.

>>80370748
Generic and moeshit don't mean anything, and none of the shows I listed are ecchi.

>>80369818
demographics are genres you faggot
"Teen Comedy", "Teen Horror" etc, they're subgenres of course but in animu it's in reverse, the "Shounen"/Seinen part take the precedence, then it's whatever the setting is

>>80369279
Wait, is this the spoiler for the movie? Is this seriously the plot?

Somebody please confirm, I dont wanna go see this, I dont wanna be bamboozled.

>>80361691

NGE is absolute garbage, skip it. Whoever seriously recommends NGE only watched it when they were in their early teens. That shit is boring as fuck, every episode feels like a god damn chore and is seriously uninteresting. The ending of the show is literally a clipshow done because they ran out of budget and fans of the series say its some 2deep4u bullshit when its clearly a clipshow.

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>>80370798

Yes, this is real.

Here you fucking go if you don't believe me.

I was fucking furious enough at the whole immigrant thing, and then yesterday when this picture leaked I almost kicked down the door to my office out of autistic rage.

>>80370789
Attack on Titan, Nisekoi and Slam Dunk are all shounen. Gochuumon wa Usagi Desu ka and Berserk are both seinen.

Demographics are not genres.

>>80370835
They didn't run out of money, they ran out of time.

>>80370784
Sure they mean something, just like 'generic shounenshit' should conjure an image in your mind.

>Akiba's Strip isn't ecchi

>>80370340
Lol shut up

>>80370844
Ok, back up, help me out here.

So, Motoko, in this movie is named Mira?
WHAT IS THIS SHITTY MOVIE EVEN ABOUT!?

Green text me, short hand it, link to previous, think I need help understanding this stupid shit.

>>80370861
They don't mean anything.

Akiba's Trip doesn't have enough ecchi in it to make it an ecchi show.

If you are not (((smart))) enough to understand it just watch the bonus DVD disk with directors commentary. Explains a lot.

>>80370850
yes they are, they make up part of the genre
Nisekoi is Shounen SoL, AoT is shounen drama, Slam Dunk is shounen sports
The collective term for all manga targetted at teenagers is Shounen manga, and it's a genre, deal with it

>>80370835
go back to SAO faggot

>>80370879

>Motoko is dead.
>Kuze is alive.
>"The Major" is a character named Mira
>Mira is an immigrant girl who drowned when her boat sank off the coast of Japan
>"Evil Corporation" put her body into a shell without telling her.
>"The Major" finds out via Kuze.
>Kuze tells her about Motoko
>Visits Motoko's grave and shit
>Decides she wants "revenge" on the Evil Corporation

There ya go, I just spoiled the whole fucking movie.

>>80370879
The Major's name is Mira Killian

It's almost certainly going to turn out that before she had her brain stolen and memory erased and turned into the Major, she was Motoko Kusanagi

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>>80370883
Do too, does so. No returns.

>>80370921
OH GOD DAMNIT I KNEW IT!

I KNEW IT WAS GOING TO END UP "Its time to take the big bad corporation down" HORSE SHIT!

MOTHERFUCKER AGAIN! MISSING THE GOD DAMNED POINT OF GITS TO BEGIN WITH!!

I really hope, I really FUCKING hope that Nips and everybody else just straight the fuck up trashes this film.

>>80370896
Action, sports, drama etc. are genres. Shounen and seinen are demographics.

Nisekoi isn't SoL, it's a romantic comedy. AoT is action/adventure/horror.

>>80370931
They don't mean anything.

>>80361367
>Anything else I have to see?
why did you have to open the flood gates?

>>80370301
lol no. this spring however... it will be the first time I watch seasonal anime since space dandy s2

>>80370942

>Insane number of Jews on production

Not gonna happen, it'll get a 60-65% on RT, and a decent return at the BO, just like Lucy did.

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>>80370944
Now when I say "generic edgy shonenshit" and press down on your foot, you smile and say "Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress".

>>80370944
shounen and seinen are genres
sports, action, drama are subgenres

>>80370961
>lol no.
Have you ever considered it might be subjective?

>>80371007
Generic and moeshit don't mean anything.

>>80371053
They are demographics.

>>80371060
They are genres based on demographics the product is targeted at

>>80361691
>Is NGE actually any good? I thought it was just a meme.
It is the Noroi of anime

>>80371081
They are demographics.

I have no idea what agenda you're trying to push here, but it's retarded and factually wrong.

>>80370896

>Implying SAO was good besides the first 3 episodes because the premise looked promising

SAO suffers from mary sue/harem shit in what could have been a good series. Doesnt change what I said about NGE being shit too. Shinji is just a whiny faggot for no reason besides being a whiny faggot who needs to hate his dad. If I was some 12-14 year old controlling a giant fucking robot I would be way more enthusiastic about it than his retarded ass.


Theres just better anime out there that isnt a chore to watch. EVA is considered a classic because when majority of those calling one were young as fuck and dont know any better yet still continue to call it good. I had a friend of mine rewatch it recently and he hasnt seen it since he was 12 and he agreed at how it wasnt nearly as good as he remembered it.

>>80371117

>people hype up SAO

Just watch .hack//sign, you plens.

>>80371060
In this context, moeshit means bland light situational comedy with elements of slice of life with a cast of cute girls, generic means closely following the tropes and conventions of its genre without doing much of anything new.

>>80371152
>bland light situational comedy with elements of slice of life with a cast of cute girls
Too vague and opinionated.

>generic means closely following the tropes and conventions of its genre without doing much of anything new
The term is almost never used this way, and as such means nothing.

>>80371181
>Generic
>lacking imagination or individuality; predictable and unoriginal.

>>80371130

>just rewatch the same shit

no, thats not how that works. I want to watch new shit not rewatch old shit. Nobody is hyping up SAO, its garbage anime.

>>80371253
Nobody uses the term that way.

>>80371284
Literally everybody uses the term that way. I've never heard the term used another way on this website.

It's one of the more common insults, but for some reason you thought people were talking about things which were "relating to a genus" this whole time.

>>80370942
Dirty chinks nips zipperhead gooks don't give a fuck at all

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>using demographics as a genre

stop

>>80371337
Again, nobody uses the term that way. That's why it doesn't mean anything.

>>80371367
Again, every single person on this website primarily uses the term that way.

>>80371429
No, they don't. That's exactly why I'm saying it doesn't mean anything. Anything and everything gets called generic completely regardless of whether the term is applicable or not.

>>80371459
Some people may use it incorrectly but they still understand what the term is supposed to mean, as do you. Therefore it means something.
Please stop transferring your autism to me.

>>80371482
You are trying to defend the term so you can continue to use it as a lazy way of attacking things. You can't allow someone to point out the fact that it doesn't mean anything because that compromises its effectiveness as a weapon.

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>>80371429
still wrong and if anyone of those people think just for a second, they would realize it too.

it is basically a meme like kino or some shit like that.

For example, in anime there is not such thing, because all this demographics applies only to manga magazines and not for anime itself (they are mostly for adults, because that is when they are broadcasted)

>>80371482
no you dumb fuck.

Saying that Devilman is a shounen means SHIT about the story, the characters, the setting and such. It is just a word that implies a demographic.

Fucking faggots shut up
Im trying to sleep. My fucking chicken tenders are spoiling with all your clickity clackin. Fuck.

Good... peace and quiet.

>>80371523
I'm not arguing that demographics are a genre, I'm arguing that "generic" has a definite meaning as an insult when you understand the greater context.

>>80371612
It has no meaning other than "I don't like this."

>>80371117
nigga i used SAO as an ironic example of a shit anime that anon should go watch because he knows nothing about animation

SAO is pretty bad, not Elfen Lied tier bad and not the first Fate/Stay Night adaption bad and definitely not Accel World tier bad but still fucking unwatchable

>>80371108
You are factually wrong, i have no idea why you feel the need to defend your completely wrong viewpoint or why you refuse to back it up but you are completely wrong. Shounen is a genre.

>>80371642
I've already explained what it meant and you agreed since you actually know what it means and you're just upset because you think some people are using it incorrectly. Fuck off.

>>80371284
It is literally the definition of that term, everybody uses that term exactly that way because that's what it means.
>>80371181
>too vague and opinionated
no it's not, it's an accurate description of what moeshit is listing the elements common amongst all moeshit animes

>>80371668
I am factually correct. They are demographics, not genres.

>>80371696
People ARE using it incorrectly.

The pattern here seems to be as follows:

1. Use the word incorrectly.
2. Get called out on using it incorrectly.
3. Appeal to a dictionary definition and claim there's no problem.
4. Continue using the word incorrectly.

>>80371709
People don't use the term that way.

>no it's not
It is.

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>>80371668
Lets try this thing:

PG is a genre,
PG-13 is a genre.
R is a genre.
NC-17 is a genre.

Would you agree?

If you say yes, I can only confirm that you are a fucking retarded.

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Quit arguing jesus christ we get it

I must say this!
I'll get hammered for it but Imust.
First, iIreally liked an respect some anime , when Iwas 15 to ~19 iI saw God in them: Rouroni Kenshin,Grave of the fireflies, battle Angel alita,hitsakira,whole gibli,serial xp. Lain etc etc
I saw probably all there was to see, but I'min age when iIprobably sshouldn't even be on this site and couple of months ago Ihad some free time and kinda wanted to rreminiscent so I rewatched Wolf Brigade, Perfect Blue, some new anime about corpses as soldiers and couple of more mature anime's.
Anyway, as beautiful as animation is, no one can tell me now that it is intended for actual grownup person. Even when subject is kinda serious ,if they would be remade frame by frame as live action movie, they would be considered as trash or at least highly immature. Enjoy them from 14-~20 max, they are targeted at that audience, but if you find them attractive/serious after 25, you really should go out more, much more, and I'mnot talking about comic shops, cconventions etc but "normal" places where average people go out.

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>>80361820
>Pom Poko that low

I will find you and I will kill you

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>>80371746
Also you are wrong. Anon is right about shonen being a genre for a fucking demographic of fucks. Quit your shit and move on. You are WRONG

>>80361691
>TTGL is probably the best anime I've seen.

that's because it's probably the only mecha show you ever fucking watched in your life.

>Is NGE actually any good?

I don't even need a second post from you to prove my point.

>>80371513
Generic simply means that it doesn't stand out.
Moeshit doesn't stand out because it's all held on the same tropes and all of them feel the same, so it is Generic.
>>80371523
It does mean it's targeted at young teenagers.
Same as "family movie" is a genre that caters to families and is appropriate for all ages.
>>80371742
No, you are factually wrong, Shounen is a genre based on demographics.
>>80371746
No, but "Teen comedy" is a genre, "Family movie" is a genre, "Kids' movie" is a genre, if you honestly think comparing a demographic-based genre name to age restriction rating is in any way a good comparison to prove your point you are retarded.
Shounen/Seinen aren't age restrictions, age restrictions such as PG-13 are to do with how appropriate the content is for the age group, such as does it contain brutality, strong language or blood.
Now Shounen and Seinen share the same elements, Full Metal Alchemist, a great example of shounen deals with murder and has dark themes. Seinen does also, Berserk for example also has murder and darker themes. But, Berserk does not have the elements that a Shounen would have, but it does not restrict anyone from any age reading it, there's no giant "THIS IS FOR SEINEN ONLY" sticker on the manga to warn parents, it's not an age rating, it is a genre.

>>80371742
In real life, in the real world, that is the textbook definition of that term, everybody with a lick of common sense and a bit of English knowledge knows what this term means and uses it appropriately, such as in this post:>>80371253

People may use it incorrectly, it does not undermine the correct usage of the term, therefore you are wrong to say he is using the term wrong, because he used it correctly, even if illiterate faggots on this website use it wrong when shitposting.

>>80371850
>Generic simply means that it doesn't stand out.
You say this now, but when people actually use the term they don't mean anything except "I don't like this."

You are white-knighting this shit because you need the term as a convinient and lazy weapon.

>Moeshit doesn't stand out
Moeshit doesn't exist.

>Same as "family movie" is a genre that caters to families and is appropriate for all ages.
Family movie is not a genre.

>No, you are factually wrong, Shounen is a genre based on demographics.
I am factually right: shounen is a target demographic for manga magazines that encompasses any number of genres.

>People may use it incorrectly, it does not undermine the correct usage of the term
When everyone uses it incorrectly, the correct usage IS undermined.

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>>80371850
>But, Berserk does not have the elements that a Shounen would have

like what?

Lets do this, I will post some pages of a shounen manga.

Fucking autist

>>80371934
If you are on this site and not a dedicated etymologist you should go back to rreddit

>>80371912
Well you are wrong because that anon and i used that term correctly, therefore we have rightfully expressed our opinions on the subject using a term by it's dictionary and factual definition.

There would be no reason to defend this term because you have no power to stop anyone from using it.

Moeshit does exist, as a slang term for generic teen comedy/SoL japanese animation featuring a cast of cute girls, often to inspire a moe feeling from the viewer, such as a combination attraction and comfort, it is not a genre or an attack on any genre, it is simply a group term to categorize those type of shows, maybe if you watched some anime beyond babby-zaki and adult swim garbage you would know what kind of shows people mean when they mention that term and understand the reason for the existance of that term.

>>80371912
You are factually wrong, those manga magazines are targeted at shounens that is correct. Therefore the magazines themselves are in the Shounen genre, and feature manga in the Shounen genre, featuring a number of sub genres that could go from teen comedy to drama and action.

No, the correct usage is not affected by incorrect usage, because the correct usage is correct and thus means that the term holds value and serves the purpose of correctly expressing one's opinion when used correctly.

>>80371932
Well for one, Berserk does not have a shounen story. Using any shounen such as Naruto or One Piece, or SAO, or FMA, we can detect, all those stories have an accent on cute characters, feature comedy much more prominently and usually have a main character to be relatable to the targeted demographic of the shounen genre, either by making him bland, or by making him a teenager, whereas Seinen manga often features darker themes less sparingly, they are at the heart of the story, like Guts having sex with a demon at the start of the black swordsman arc and in the golden age arc being found as a baby covered in blood with his mother dead, Guts does not have a love interest in the traditional shounen sense of the term. If you had good taste in manga and not devilman you would understand, but i think you're just mentally incapable of refuting any point in any way other than stating factually incorrect things

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>>80370375
>Except this season.
>not liking Rakugo
Holy shit, that's some shit taste

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>>80372105

oh boy, this is going to be fun...

ll those stories have an accent on cute characters

>what is Puck

>>80362648
They used that shot at least twice in the series, really took me out of what was going on

>>80363062
what anime is this

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>>80372105
>or by making him a teenager
>what is golden age

>>80372094
People only appeal to the dictionary definition when they're called out on using the term incorrectly. Otherwise nobody uses it the way it's supposed to. And thus, in practise, the word has no meaning.

>Moeshit does exist, as a slang term for generic teen comedy/SoL japanese animation featuring a cast of cute girls, often to inspire a moe feeling from the viewer
1. You use the term "generic" here, which as already established means nothing. You use a meaningless term to define another meaningless term.
2. "Teen comedy and SoL" covers a very wide range of different shows.
3. Moe is a feeling of love/infatuation the viewer might or might not experience in any anime.

>maybe if you watched some anime beyond babby-zaki and adult swim garbage
I watch at least 20 shows every season.

>you would know what kind of shows people mean when they mention that term and understand the reason for the existance of that term.
I know from a lot of experience how meaningless the term is.

>>80372105
>You are factually wrong,
I am factually right, you are factually wrong.

>those manga magazines are targeted at shounens that is correct. Therefore the magazines themselves are in the Shounen genre
No, they are targeting the shounen demographic.

>No, the correct usage is not affected by incorrect usage
It is. If everyone is using a term incorrectly then in practise the term has no meaning.

>Seinen manga often features darker themes less sparingly
Who could forget the dark themes of K-On?

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>shonen is a genre

pic related

nips never used shonen/seinen as a genre and for good reason.

come, look and laugh at this EOP cuck >>80372105
who try and fail with his shitty generalizations and get undone'd by everyone sane in this thread

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>>80372105
>Guts does not have a love interest in the traditional shounen sense of the term

>like having a strong girl that will be hard for you to get with her? oh... wait a minute...

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>>80372247
And

>If you had good taste in manga and not devilman you would understand

You know who likes Devilman? The fucking author of Berserk you mong, who the hell do you think he based Guts on? Who do you think he based Griffith of? Guts of? Caska of?

You are retarded.

>>80372163
puck is not an accent of the story, he is comedy relief and his appearance as guts' companion is not a big point in the story
>>80372193
He is still not a shounen self-insert and in the manga was previously set up as a mature man, more so he is not a teenager throughout all of golden age
>>80372218
No, we established that the term generic means exactly what it's dictionary definition means.
The word has the meaning the english language gives it, no less and no more.
Im addressing the dictionary to prove that the word is a valid part of my argument, and you by dismissing it, show that you have no understanding of that word despite it being explained to you many times.

Yes it does cover a wide variety of shows, but they all share the same elements, thus the generalisation, moeshit.

>i watch at least 20 shows each season
and it shows, you have shit taste and think that i was talking about number of shows whereas i was talking about the quality of shows you watch, there aren't 20 shows worth watching a year, nevermind a season.

>experience
which you lack, the term does have valid meaning, which you have failed to dispute

You are factually wrong, i'm factually right.

They are in the shounen genre because they target the shounen demographic, there isn't a different way to describe a weekly shounen manga magazine other than "Shounen" therefore that is it's genre.

no it is not, the correct usage stands even if the term has been used incorrectly many times, otherwise you are denying the meaning of a word written in the dictionary, which is quite stupid, since i am factually correct when i say i used the word correctly and you are factually incorrect when stating i haven't, since you deny the fact of it's dictionary definition.

>>80372218


A dark twist or a theme is a common theme in Shounen, but more so in the action and drama subgenres, not in the SoL subgenre, Naruto, One Piece, Bleach, Shaman King, FMA and many more representations of shounen manga feature dark themes, K-On is more of a standout, typical for it's subgenre.

>>80372222
i am the only rational person in this thread, because what everyone else says is completely retarded factually incorrect bullshit
>>80372247
This is still in the shounen sense of the term, she is also irrelevant or absent from the story for most arcs other than Golden Age and lacks a character, as the focus shifts towards darker themes of the manga.
>>80372278
I do not care, devilman is boring, i find it shite, author of Berserk is also someone who took a huge hiatus and turned the manga into a moeshit mess, his tastes do not matter at all to me.

>>80372359
>No, we established that the term generic means exactly what it's dictionary definition means.
I established that nobody uses it that way. You can't misuse the word to the point that it means nothing and then appeal to the dictionary as proof that the word means something.

>Yes it does cover a wide variety of shows, but they all share the same elements, thus the generalisation, moeshit.
But they don't share the same elements. Nisekoi, Nichijou, Girls und Panzer and Flying Witch are very different from each other.

>you have shit taste
Meme. Meaningless.

>there aren't 20 shows worth watching a year, nevermind a season.
I never said anything about how good those shows are, I just said I watch at least 20 shows. I guess you just wait for other people to tell you what's supposed to be good and what's supposed to be bad, instead of making up your own mind.

>which you lack
No I don't.

>the term does have valid meaning
No it doesn't.

>You are factually wrong, i'm factually right.
You are factually wrong, I am factually right.

>They are in the shounen genre because they target the shounen demographic
Shounen is a demographic, not a genre.

>the correct usage stands
Not in practise it doesn't.

>>80372441
>author of Berserk is also someone who took a huge hiatus and turned the manga into a moeshit mess
Another fine example of the meaninglessness of the term "moeshit."

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>>80372376
>he thinks K-On! it is an exception

AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA


https://www.mangaupdates.com/publishers.html?pubname=Manga+Time+Kirara

the same magazine. the Seinen magazine.

Stop kid, you are embarassing yourself.

>Naruto, One Piece, Bleach, Shaman King, FMA

All these were being published in the same magazine that followed a motto of "Friendship, Effort and Victory". They are not ALL SHOUNEN magazines of the world you dumb fuck.

This is even more pathetic than reading /tv/ discuss capeshit.

This is truly a normalfag board, holy shit.

>>80372465
We have established that everyone uses it that way. You can't see some person misusing it and then call all usages of the word incorrect even when they are such as when i used the word.

all those shows have cute girls as an accent of the story, all those shows are albeit with different premises, result in simillar generic interactions, and all of them address the moe feeling in one way or another, thus the generalisation.
Besides, i never said any of those shows were moeshit.

There is nothing wrong with using a recommendation as a point of reference to then watch a show and make up your mind, or even better, looking at the premise of the show and it's description and then deciding whether it's worth it.

the term has valid meaning, it is said so in the dictionary, you are factually incorrect if you reject that meaning, it is a fact what it means.

Shounen is a genre which is based on targetting the shounen demographic, all other genres are a sub genre of that, Adult Film or Pornography is a genre, even if Adult Film refers to a demographic it may be appealing to, it is a genre of film in which anal, amateur, blowjobs and etc are subgenres, it is perfectly logical.

i do not understand what "practise" you are talking about, there is only 1 and 0, the correct and the incorrect usage of the word, my usage of the word was correct, therefore it stands, if a usage of the word is incorrect it does not stand.
There is no such things as in "practise" it is not a variable here

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>>80372542
Well of course, K-On is an exception and so are many shows of it's subgenre and many other different subgenres, but they share the same elements, not all but there are always connections to its supergenre. Teen horror film and Teen comedy film may not share all the same elements, but they will a share a few, because they belong to a supergenre, which isn't clearly defined in Western media as it is in Japanese media, where shounen and seinen are both genres.

>this is truly a normalfag board
i have realised this a long time ago, discussing animu here is nearly impossible because of shitposters like you posting factually incorrect things and standing by it, i bet discussing and watching capeshit is your favourite passtime, normie

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>>80361691
Contrarians will say it's garbage, but I personally think it's the best work of fiction ever created
Just watch it and find out for yourself anon

>>80372441
>only rational person
>"""rational"""post got blown apart by 3 other posters and have no argument except "it doesn't count!"

riigghhhtt

>>80372701
in fact it was their argument that tried to tell me my opinion doesn't count because i used the term "generic" by its dictionary definition which they reject, if the simple meanings of words don't mean anything to you and you think you can change them if it suits you, you are not only not suitable for any discussion or argument, but also suffer from general mental retardation

>>80372176
Check the filename.

>>80372605
>We have established that everyone uses it that way.
You have lied about everyone using that way in order to protect the term as a convinient and lazy weapon.

>all those shows have cute girls as an accent of the story, all those shows are albeit with different premises, result in simillar generic interactions, and all of them address the moe feeling in one way or another, thus the generalisation.
This is another example of how "generic" doesn't mean anything (and again a meaningless term is used to define another meaningless term), and "the moe feeling" means just a feeling of love of infatuation towards a character and as such can occur anywhere (if it occurs). It exists independent of the work and the author's intentions.

These are now supposed to be the same thing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWb4RkeM82A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4GN2Ffix6E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWDP9-FpVMo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnm3qzbZf_A

>the term has valid meaning
Not in practise.

>Shounen is a genre
Shounen is a demographic.

>i do not understand what "practise" you are talking about
The way people use the word.

>>80372686
How are Berserk and K-On in the same genre?

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>>80372605
look mate, trying to say that shounen is a genre when you dont even know how many shounen manga are there and are so different of each other that makes your "term has valid meaning" become meaningless because the flow of different things are so much intense that your little brain wouldn't be able to understand.

In this case it is even more sad because trying to say adolescent boy or girl, young man or young woman or even kid can encapsulate works can be so good that other types of medium wouldn't be using nowadays?

>>80372686
Exception in fucking what? Slice of life? School themed? Having more girls characters? Are you blind or just baseless fuck trying to reinforce shit that is wrong?

I simply cannot believe an anime thread is this petty and autistic.

>>80372783
No, you have lied about everyone not using it that way to be able to deflect a fully rational argument, again, the dictionary definition is all that matters, if you reject it, you are retarded.

moe feeling can be made more possible with author's intentions, making cute characters with an attractive personality, it does not exist independant of the work or the author's intentions.

They are not the same thing, same as k-on and berserk are not the same thing, if K-on is seinen as you say, it is still part of a different subgenre and thus has differences, like teen horror and teen comedy, they are very different, but share a supergenre based on the demographic.

>practise
it's spelled practice for a start, as in Practice - the actual application or use of an idea, belief, or method, as opposed to theories relating to it.

Shounen is a genre, so is Shojo and seinen.

>>80372832
The mangas are very different i never denied that, however they share the common traits of targeting a demographic which puts them into the shounen genre.

It is in the slice of life subgenre, which means it will not share the same themes as other subgenres, but it will share some simillar themes common in all subgenres of it's supergenre

>>80372919
>No, you have lied about everyone not using it that way
No, I haven't. You are the one who has been lying.

>again, the dictionary definition is all that matters
You can't appeal to a dictionary definition when you keep using the word incorrectly.

>it does not exist independant of the work or the author's intentions
It does. The earliest known case of moe was when Hayao Miyazaki fell in love with a character from a 1950s Japanese animation movie.

>if K-on is seinen as you say, it is still part of a different subgenre and thus has differences, like teen horror and teen comedy, they are very different, but share a supergenre based on the demographic.
K-On and Berserk have nothing to do with each other except they are aimed at adult males.

>Shounen is a genre
Shounen is a demographic.

>they share the common traits of targeting a demographic which puts them into the shounen genre
It puts them in the shounen demographic.

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>>80372919
first of all.

fuck off with your super genre bullshit.

second of all

slice of life, action, drama ARE GENRES, NOT SUBGENRES.

K-On is not seinen because he said, it is because it was published in a seinen magazine. You do not vote or have an opinion about it, you know who does? Editors and the publisher.

This manga, Working. It is a shoujo manga, there are not girls as main characters, only a father and his son, they do not fit in any of your bullshit of what should a shoujo genre mean and they do not fit in this pathetic excuse of sub genres that you use.

>however they share the common traits of targeting a demographic which puts them into the shounen genre.


THEY DO NOT! The authors do not make a reunion meeting to decide what themes they would do, the only one who gains anything about this shounen/seinen shit are the publisher that makes ads and the companies that advertise their products in it you ignoramus autistic piece of shit. It is a marketing tool for THEM, for you and the readers doesn't mean SHIT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2SL83k3IFk

>>80371813
>Implying Gurren Lagann is actually a mecha show at all

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They are including lots of scenes from the original movie but I fear it's just doing to look like CGI shite.

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Is this accurate? I haven't watched all of GitS so I don't know the whole basis behind it.

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>>80361102

>remake
>remake
>remake

why are people ITT calling a shitty hollywood-adaption a "remake" ?

was Dragonball Evolution a "remake" too ?

>>80362648
wow that is so violent

>>80361102
A great film, proper cyberpunk that makes no compromises for the genre it's in.

The remake looks like Robocop with tits.

>>80361102
Whole thread is shills, why do you do this? Get a real job.

>>80374170
>was Dragonball Evolution a "remake" too ?

I'd say so, yeah. Don't get me wrong, it's like pouring lava into my face. But I'd say it's a remake.

>>80375511
We're both posting on a frog website. What the fuck are you talking about?

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>>80362648

>accurate depiction of a massive laser cannon spaceship battle.

fuckin' straight lines instead of 'pew----pew----pew' star wars shit.

>>80361899
>NGE was a deconstruction of the tropes present in Gundam and the giant robots genre in general

no it wasn't

>>80376749
Where am I wrong?

>>80376848
it's literally using the same tropes it isn't deconstructing shit,have you even watched Mobile Suit Gundam 79 ?

>>80361227
I didn't understand it either, but the animation was good. Same with Jin-roh